Matt Bonner Back For More: One-Year, Minimum Deal

[Mugen]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/07/15/bonner-will-return-to-spurs/

:lol

[manufan10]

:tu

[SASdynasty!]

Lol, that's cool

[BatManu20]

There is a God! :lol

[benefactor]

We need a Bonner Zombie photoshop.

[Vic Petro]

In before SpurPadre meltdown

[BatManu20]

http://i962.photobucket.com/albums/ae108/_bracelet/reactiongif_antmchickfistpumpYEHYEH.gif

[Skoobz]

Spurspadre get in here and celebrate already!:lol

[Robz4000]

:lol

[jhfenton]

Death, taxes, and Bonner.

[cd98]

We stacked.

[kaji157]

Victory cigar

[Silver&Black]

It's for the minimum...so why not

[TXstbobcat]

winning #6 wouldn't be the same without the red mamba.

[raybies]

rather have him than Copeland tbh

[Nathan89]

:danceclub

[timtonymanu]

SpurPadre
SpurPadre
SpurPadre

:lol seriously this guy will never go away though.

[baseline bum]

rather have him than Copeland tbh

This, 100%.

[timvp]

I like him as a sixth big. There aren't many sixth bigs who are useful at all. At least with Bonner, there are situations where it makes sense for Pop to play him a few minutes here and there.

Plus, with BOBAN, there are some situations where you CAN'T play him, so having a sixth big who knows the system is a plus.

[Dre_7]

Welcome back!

Can't wait to read all the funny anti Bonner posts that are about to come. :lol

[NASpurs]

The human cockroach out living his career.

[Mugen]

I was probably the biggest Bonner hater on the board circa 2011. But considering it's 2015-2016 and this nigga is still on the team, you just gotta admire his resiliency.

Hating on him is pointless, it'd be like hating on the sun for rising every morning tbh :lol

[Dre_7]

I like him as a sixth big. There aren't many sixth bigs who are useful at all. At least with Bonner, there are situations where it makes sense for Pop to play him a few minutes here and there.

Plus, with BOBAN, there are some situations where you CAN'T play him, so having a sixth big who knows the system is a plus.

[timtonymanu]

I'm cool with Bonner coming back, but hopefully RC is still looking for another wing.

[manufan10]

Looking forward to more Spuran Spuran videos.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I heart Matt bonner

[boutons_deux]

but get a smaller smartphone

[SpurPadre]

:bang
:pctoss
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ah well, I guess there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Still a great offseason.

[Robz4000]

jeebus

[r0drig0lac]

stacked

[timtonymanu]

:bang
:pctoss
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ah well, I guess there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Still a great offseason.

:lol

[timtonymanu]

At least it wasn't Errors

[Mugen]

At least it wasn't Errors

[Chinook]

Either means LaLanne is committed to going overseas of that they just don't care if they lose his rights. They might carry seven bigs, but I doubt it.

[NASpurs]

At least it wasn't Errors

I guess that's another way to look at it. When you put it that way, I'm not complaining.

[BatManu20]

Hopefully Matty comes back and has a bounce-back year. I mean I'm not holding my breath, but would be nice if he came in a little extra motivated.

[SupremeGuy]

Good for him, tbh. As others have said, he's useful as a 6th big.

[timvp]

Either means LaLanne is committed to going overseas of that they just don't care if they lose his rights. They might carry seven bigs, but I doubt it.

Lalanne isn't worthy of a roster spot right now.

What's interesting is that since the Spurs still obviously need a vet wing, they appear committed to carrying 15 players.

[NASpurs]

Hopefully Matty comes back and has a bounce-back year. I mean I'm not holding my breath, but would be nice if he came in a little extra motivated.

Then let's hope he switched phones.

[Spursmania]

In years past, when he was playing a lot of minutes, or even starting, etc… I would get so pissed. But the last few years he has adapted to what his role should have always been by coming off the bench in limited minutes, etc… Welcome back Red Rocket! He at least is a classy and tenacious dude. In before the name calling starts.:lol

[Splits]

Looking forward to more Spuran Spuran videos.

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[ca®lo]

the legend continues.

lost belinelli but retained bonner. LOL.

the only blemish in our off season :(

[Spursmania]

:bang
:pctoss
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ah well, I guess there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Still a great offseason.

:lmao

[SpurPadre]

Doesn't this signing potentially stunt the growth of some of the other young up and comers we have that could've benefited from being in the roster and learning the system directly from Pop and practicing with the rest of the team? And don't we have enough players that can space the floor, thus making Bonner redundant?

[BillMc]

but get a smaller smartphone

Truth.

[SpurPadre]

At least it wasn't Errors

That's like saying "At least I didn't get cancer, just AIDS."

[manufan10]

621420241818648576

:lol

[Slime Baller]

I'm... I'm okay with this.

[SAGirl]

Either means LaLanne is committed to going overseas of that they just don't care if they lose his rights. They might carry seven bigs, but I doubt it.
Yea I thought the same. The fact that they took such a long time to commit to Bonner indicated to me that they were looking at someone else. I really thought they wanted a younger big to develop. TBH our big man crew, w/ the exception of ALdrige and Boban is Old!! They may have agreed to stashing Lalanne. He attempted a few 3s in SL and didn't hit any. I am ok w Bonner in a very diminished role, like smaller than last year, when he started quite a lo of game due to Splitters calf injuries.

[Quiet Strength]

eh I wish the spurs would just let that dude go already but it doesn't matter... its been an awesome offseason. Welcome back Bonner

[Dex]

He's like the 6th big now. You could do a hell of a lot worse for that spot.

I love having Matty around the team, and apparently the guys in the locker room feel the same way.

Welcome back, Red Mamba. :tu

[Silver&Black]

At least it wasn't Errors

[philldafunk]

I wish I had more hands to give this more thumbs down.

[timtonymanu]

Doesn't this signing potentially stunt the growth of some of the other young up and comers we have that could've benefited from being in the roster and learning the system directly from Pop and practicing with the rest of the team? And don't we have enough players that can space the floor, thus making Bonner redundant?

I do think Bonner is redundant but I don't expect him to get in the way. The Spurs have enough depth that I think Bonner only sees garbage time minutes. Replacing Baynes and Ayres with better players like West and Boban should limit his minutes, imo. Bonner is here to mentor

[timtonymanu]

That's like saying "At least I didn't get cancer, just AIDS."

rofl

[BatManu20]

https://i.imgflip.com/o91sf.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/o91sf)

[Spur|n|Austin]

The Legend of the Red Mamba continues

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[Chinook]

Lalanne isn't worthy of a roster spot right now.

What's interesting is that since the Spurs still obviously need a vet wing, they appear committed to carrying 15 players.

The Spurs have never been a team that caters to obvious needs. I could see them rolling with 14 for a while. But it does seem clear that Holt and Co. are willing to pay the tax this season.

[Vic Petro]

That's like saying "At least I didn't get cancer, just AIDS."

:lol

[BillMc]

Any 5th or 6th big whose presence can affect a series (regardless of performance) as Bonner did against OKC 2 years ago is certainly worth the minimum. Throw in that he knows and accepts his role, is well-liked in the locker room, and that his knowledge of the system will be especially useful in the early part of the season while the new bigs learn, and this is a good signing.

Also, the enjoyment of the Red Mamba effectively trolling ST has high entertainment value that some plodding nondescript end of the bench big just can't have.

[timvp]

I could see them rolling with 14 for a while. But it does seem clear that Holt and Co. are willing to pay the tax this season.

With the Bonner signing, are the Spurs automatically over the lux tax threshold next season? Looks pretty damn close to me. Bruno?

[Sean Cagney]

winning #6 wouldn't be the same without the red mamba.

As long as he's glued to the bench im good... Now please no Ayres!!!

[bklynspursfan]

:tu

Awesome

[BatManu20]

Bonner is Pop's golfing buddy. Who else would've accompanied him on his weekend La Cantera golf excursions, tbh?

[BillMc]

As long as he's glued to the bench im good... Now please no Ayres!!!

Matt and Jeff are ready from the bench this season.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/spurs/sites/default/files/styles/main_gallery_photo__480_tall/public/legacy/photos/120302_bonner_20.jpg?itok=br2EHLVW

[spursistan]

I'm actually starting to admire it for the hell of it all..Imagine Bonner 3 time NBA Champions :lol..More rings with Spurs than D Rob ..

[intlspurshk]

Waste of money. At least Ayres can play defense

[timtonymanu]

I'm actually starting to admire it for the hell of it all..Imagine Bonner 3 time NBA Champions :lol..More rings with Spurs than D Rob ..

Wow. :lol

[Splits]

With the Bonner signing, are the Spurs automatically over the lux tax threshold next season? Looks pretty damn close to me. Bruno (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=2449)?

From another thread:


I'm interested to see what will be Spurs position regarding the luxury tax.

If Spurs don't sign another player and go with 13 players, they will be just under the tax.
If Spurs go with 14 players , they should be just a little above the tax. They could however go under if Boris doesn't reach all his incentives and if West has signed only a 1 year contract and not a 2 years contract with a player option for the second season.
With 15 players, Spurs will be over the tax threshold.

By being under the tax, Spurs should receive about $3M when the luxury tax collected will be redistributed. Will Spurs really try to get these $3M or will they be fine by being around $1M above the tax threshold?

[timtonymanu]

When are Kawhi, Manu, and West expected to sign?

[aal04]

I would have preferred a prime Hakeem or prime Shaq, but for the minimum I cant complain

[Aztecfan03]

I like him as a sixth big. There aren't many sixth bigs who are useful at all. At least with Bonner, there are situations where it makes sense for Pop to play him a few minutes here and there.

Plus, with BOBAN, there are some situations where you CAN'T play him, so having a sixth big who knows the system is a plus.

I guess so...

[timvp]

I could see them rolling with 14 for a while.

Considering that the Spurs appeared ready to let Bonner walk a few days ago, I think this move may be a sign that the Spurs are now higher on Kyle Anderson (and possibly Jonathon Simmons). If they think Anderson is a legit backup small forward (and he's looked the part over the last two or three summer league games), suddenly you don't really have to sign an old retread and can instead wait and possibly shop the buyout market later in the year.

SG: Green, Ginobili, Simmons, McCallum, Mills
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Green, Ginobili, Simmons (?), Diaw (?)

That depth is pretty good if Anderson has convinced the Spurs he's a real NBA player and Simmons has convinced the Spurs he's a prospect worthy of a minutes to analyze further.

[timtonymanu]

I was probably the biggest Bonner hater on the board circa 2011. But considering it's 2015-2016 and this nigga is still on the team, you just gotta admire his resiliency.

Hating on him is pointless, it'd be like hating on the sun for rising every morning tbh :lol

Pretty amazing we still have a player from the dark ages of the Spurs . :lol. Won't surprise me if Bonner plays here till Kawhi retires.

[jermaine]

MUTHASUCKIN MATT BONNER BA-BY... MY WHITE BROTHA FROM ANOTHA MOTHA.... MY WIGGA IS BACK!!!!!!

[itzkarl813]

Glad to hear it! Always liked him, hope he stays with the front office/coaching staff after after this season

[SpurPadre]

I'm actually starting to admire it for the hell of it all..Imagine Bonner 3 time NBA Champions :lol..More rings with Spurs than D Rob ..

Like Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton inheriting millions doing nothing simply because of their families.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Waste of money. At least Ayres can play defense

Baynes couldn't catch super AIDS

[Bruno]

In a roster with so much quality PFs, I'm not really sure what Bonner will bring to the team. Saying that, he has a decent level for an end of the bench guy, he knows the system and he is a great teammate. It's a signing that doesn't really make Spurs better but a 6th big isn't signed to male a team better.

Personally, I'm kinda happy to see Bonner back. I didn't like him when he was playing 20mpg but when he is playing very little, he is a nice guy to have around.

[SpurPadre]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/4SmIhgjjnnYVG/giphy.gif

[DPG21920]

Bonner should be the main inactive player most nights as things stand. No way you can do that to Simmons or Kyle due to depth. Esp if SA doesn't sign another SF.

[Arcadian]

Why?!

Do we really need six bigs? Most teams don't have six bigs, nor do they need that many. We still need a wingman shooter. Bonner doesn't add anything to this team at this point. It's nothing personal; he's a cool guy, and if he wants to stay with the Spurs organization, I'd be very supportive of him becoming an assistant coach. But not as a player.

[spurraider21]

Why?!
:pop:

[peacemaker885]

WOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0414%2Fsn_e_bonner_spurs_b 1_1296x1296.jpg

[loveforthegame]

FFS. He just won't go away.

[Bruno]

With the Bonner signing, are the Spurs automatically over the lux tax threshold next season? Looks pretty damn close to me. Bruno?

Without counting Reggie Williams salary, Spurs will have 14 guaranteed contracts:
- If West sign an one year contract (count for $947,276 against the tax), I have Spurs $64K above the tax
- If West sign a 2 years contract with likely the second year being a player option (count for $1,499,187 against the tax), I have Spurs $620K above the tax.

Diaw salary could possibly end up being a little lower than the figure I use ($7.5M) provided he doesn't reach his incentives. In this case, Spurs could end up below the tax if West is on an one year contract.

[timtonymanu]

http://media1.giphy.com/media/4SmIhgjjnnYVG/giphy.gif

Isn't it about time you purchased yourself a Bonner jersey?

[SAGirl]

Considering that the Spurs appeared ready to let Bonner walk a few days ago, I think this move may be a sign that the Spurs are now higher on Kyle Anderson (and possibly Jonathon Simmons). If they think Anderson is a legit backup small forward (and he's looked the part over the last two or three summer league games), suddenly you don't really have to sign an old retread and can instead wait and possibly shop the buyout market later in the year.

SG: Green, Ginobili, Simmons, McCallum, Mills
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Green, Ginobili, Simmons (?), Diaw (?)

That depth is pretty good if Anderson has convinced the Spurs he's a real NBA player and Simmons has convinced the Spurs he's a prospect worthy of a minutes to analyze further. This was really my hope. I really like KA, but I am realistic and a believer that like Cojo, he will get his chance in due time. However, as the situation in FA for wing players started to look very empty of even no-defense playing shooters, coinciding with KA and Simmons forming a dynamic tandem in SL I think I realized that there really isn't anyone better than those two for those minutes. If I remember correctly I saw somewhere that RC was still looking to address wing depth, but that they were also looking at internal development. Shortly after that they signed Simmons.

[jsandiego]

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[ceperez]

Without counting Reggie Williams salary, Spurs will have 14 guaranteed contracts:
- If West sign an one year contract (count for $947,276 against the tax), I have Spurs $64K above the tax
- If West sign a 2 years contract with likely the second year being a player option (count for $1,499,187 against the tax), I have Spurs $620K above the tax.

Diaw salary could possibly end up being a little lower than the figure I use ($7.5M) provided he doesn't reach his incentives. In this case, Spurs could end up below the tax if West is on an one year contract.

I thought it was earlier reported that West was on a one year contract?

Well... final roster :

Parker/Mills/McCallum
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw/West
Duncan/Marjanovic/Bonner

I guess Copeland didn't sign.

[Darkwaters]

I was totally on board the covert "stash him in the FO" train. That being said, I've advocated this entire offseason that Bonner should be in the plans in some capacity. He just makes a lot of sense as an end-of-the-bench, super cheap option.

Good signing. Don't overthink it. :bobo

[Chomag]

Just put the man's jersey up in the rafters already!

[MVPCues]

So much for what I thought. I can't help but think he got an offer from someone and Spurs moved to retain him. Good for him.

I'm not worried about how he will be used or what he may or may not be able to do. I guess there wasn't a better minimum option, all things considered.

[bigfan]

Meh, why not? He is useful I guess.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

YES!!

Now I can relax a little bit. This offseason would have gone down in Spurs lore as "the summer we lost Matt Bonner" had this signing not gone down.

Amen.

[monkeypunk]

Hopefully Matty comes back and has a bounce-back year. I mean I'm not holding my breath, but would be nice if he came in a little extra motivated.

I just want him to get his % back up. He can still play good post and team defense but if his shot isn't a threat, he's an overall liability.

Great locker room guy though...

[ChumpDumper]

The signing makes sense.

Will be interesting to see what Lalanne does now. He could benefit from either Europe or the D-League, so it's pretty much up to him whether the Spurs can keep his rights.

[Chinook]

Considering that the Spurs appeared ready to let Bonner walk a few days ago, I think this move may be a sign that the Spurs are now higher on Kyle Anderson (and possibly Jonathon Simmons). If they think Anderson is a legit backup small forward (and he's looked the part over the last two or three summer league games), suddenly you don't really have to sign an old retread and can instead wait and possibly shop the buyout market later in the year.

SG: Green, Ginobili, Simmons, McCallum, Mills
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Green, Ginobili, Simmons (?), Diaw (?)

That depth is pretty good if Anderson has convinced the Spurs he's a real NBA player and Simmons has convinced the Spurs he's a prospect worthy of a minutes to analyze further.

That's my read. Also, they'll probably be willing to play two PGs more. If a West-like wing were willing to come over, that would be one thing. But I think they value flexibility over a Rasul Butler type.

[ceperez]

Bonner is the Ibaka Killer... absolutely needed to be signed.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm not a believer in Anderson yet. I'll be curious to see how his game is projecting towards being NBA ready. Banking on him to be Kawhi's primary backup would be a mistake.

[Mugen]

Bonner is the Ibaka Killer... absolutely needed to be signed.

The Spurs signed two other Ibaka killers that are better tbh.

[capek]

He'll be useful to soak up minutes in the many blowouts the Spurs should have next season. Glad he's back. :tu

[Aztecfan03]

I thought it was earlier reported that West was on a one year contract?

Well... final roster :

Parker/Mills/McCallum
Green/Ginobili/Simmons
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw/West
Duncan/Marjanovic/Bonner

I guess Copeland didn't sign.
I think it was, plus what sense would it make for him to have a player option at the minimum.

Spurs still have 1 spot open.

[Ocotillo]

Lalanne should go over to Europe and sign with the same team LJC is on.

[spursistan]

Still not totally comfortable with the wing depth, tbh.. only Green you can count on for 77-80 games.. old Manu; injury-prone Kawhi and bunch of unproven and unpolished guys..

[Brox6]

He is back

[TheGoldStandard]

This fool is going to eat minutes away from boban.

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

This fool is going to eat minutes away from boban.
I think that Boban guy has eaten enough.

[TheCerebral1]

Ugh. God, cannot be just at times.

[BackHome]

Only reason I like this is we got so many new guys we need help coaching them up which is where I think Bonner can help. He just need to help them with there defense assignments and offense assignment where to be on the court - "Ok you go there and defend there just don't defend like me" " "Ok go there and shoot but don't do what I do and miss" But it's good to have him he and Mills are the glue to the team being close.....Need good locker room guys it's a long season.....

[ElNono]

:bang
:pctoss
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ah well, I guess there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Still a great offseason.

:rollin

[lefty20]

:lmao at ppl being mad at having Bonner as the sixth big. You niggas need to stop hating, tbh.

[TheGoldStandard]

Funny at the moment till pop subs him in for Aldridge or west at the wrong time

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

I'm happy he is back. I thought the Bonner saga ended but hes back for his 3rd ring. He was too much of a fan favorite to not try to bring back. I guess our off season is over unless they can get someone better then Reggie Williams.

[heyheymymy]

You guy that are complaining are noobs. Bonner is a matchup nightmare in certain situations and now that we have him as a 6th big he won't be used in key mins or paired with Blair where he was a poor fit before.

Bonner is a tipping point player were opponents are going to gameplan for everything else and then Matty trots out and the competition gets flustered having to account for one more in a long line of different looks Pop will make them adjust to.

Imagine gameplanning for the top 10 players, and it being almost too many adjustments to manage and then the stretch 4 trots out after your plate is full with everything else. Bonner doesn't even have to hit, you must honor his range, and now the paint is open for business.

[DJR210]

I get it, they need shooters.. but the guy can't shoot anymore. :td

inb4 some jackass say's ":cry he shot nearly 40% :cry", for one he's coming off his second worst 3 PT% of his career, and for a guy who does absolutely nothing but fire away 3's, he should be shooting at least 55% to truly be effective for the Spurs

Now he takes away minutes and a spot from someone younger. Stupid signing IMO.

[RayTdropout]

Hes family welcome back.

[TheGreatYacht]

Why do people give Bonner the credit for the OKC game?!?! :lmao is the memory that bad?


http://youtu.be/TMCbMmg1hz8

[TheGreatYacht]

I get it, they need shooters.. but the guy can't shoot anymore. :td

inb4 some jackass say's ":cry he shot nearly 40% :cry", for one he's coming off his second worst 3 PT% of his career, and for a guy who does absolutely nothing but fire away 3's, he should be shooting at least 55% to truly be effective for the Spurs

Now he takes away minutes and a spot from someone younger. Stupid signing IMO.
This. Forgot the part where the fucker passes up open shots, and his shot isn't respected anymore though.

[DJR210]

This. Forgot the part where the fucker passes up open shots, and his shot isn't respected anymore though.

Yeah, he likes the pump fake and shitty awkward drive more now. One more fucking year of his bullshit.

:cry Corporate Knowledge :cry

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Doesn't this signing potentially stunt the growth of some of the other young up and comers we have that could've benefited from being in the roster and learning the system directly from Pop and practicing with the rest of the team? And don't we have enough players that can space the floor, thus making Bonner redundant?

they'll never "get it"

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, he likes the pump fake and shitty awkward drive more now. One more fucking year of his bullshit.

:cry Corporate Knowledge :cry
:pctoss

[beirmeistr]

My sources tell me that Bonner will also back up The Coyote.

[NASpurs]

Is it safe to assume Bonner took a pay cut to resign with the Spurs instead of the Kings? :lol

[DJR210]

Is it safe to assume Bonner took a pay cut to resign with the Spurs instead of the Kings? :lol

Yeah. Sacramento was offering a 3 year/26 million dollar deal, starting spot, a no trade clause, and part ownership in the team with tons of incentives.

:cry such loyalty :cry

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Biggest issue for the Spurs remains, no backup SF/shooter. According to the current rotation, either Kawhi will have to play 48 minutes a night or one of Green/Manu will have to play SF for part of the time, leaving holes on the defensive end.

[dabom]

Yeah. Sacramento was offering a 3 year/26 million dollar deal, starting spot, a no trade clause, and part ownership in the team with tons of incentives.

:cry such loyalty :cry

:lol

[Spurtacular]

Either means LaLanne is committed to going overseas of that they just don't care if they lose his rights. They might carry seven bigs, but I doubt it.

To the best of my knowledge, Spurs don't lose rights to Lalanne if he plays overseas.

If Lalanne plays in the d-league, which is likely (if he doesn't make the 15 man roster), then he'll presumably be counted as one of three affiliate that can't be signed by other teams.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/santacruz/dleague_faqs.html

[Mikeanaro]

Its ok, we are so stacked that Bon Lovi wont be seeing any significant minutes.
Shot through the heart and you are to blame, you give dunks a bad name.

[Mr. Body]

Glad to have him. I hated him back when we needed an actual good player, but as a deep bench guy he's a good occasional piece vs the Ibakas of the world, plus he's a plus guy in the locker room.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Without counting Reggie Williams salary, Spurs will have 14 guaranteed contracts:
- If West sign an one year contract (count for $947,276 against the tax), I have Spurs $64K above the tax
- If West sign a 2 years contract with likely the second year being a player option (count for $1,499,187 against the tax), I have Spurs $620K above the tax.

Diaw salary could possibly end up being a little lower than the figure I use ($7.5M) provided he doesn't reach his incentives. In this case, Spurs could end up below the tax if West is on an one year contract.

Surely, they didn't have Tim sign for $5 million, give the franchise an opportunity to transition from the GOAT in as seamless a way that has been seen in sports, got DG to leave another player's worth of money on the table, have the basketball Gods drop the gift of David West in your lap for PATFO to worry about paying the tax one year when their revenues are fixing to skyrocket. The luxury tax should not be even considered at this point so as not to change the karma if for no other reason.

And Matt Bonner is good karma.

[Chinook]

To the best of my knowledge, Spurs don't lose rights to Lalanne if he plays overseas.

If Lalanne plays in the d-league, which is likely (if he doesn't make the 15 man roster), then he'll presumably be counted as one of three affiliate that can't be signed by other teams.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/santacruz/dleague_faqs.html


If he plays overseas or in the d-league without signing any contract from the Spurs, they keep his rights. The moment he inks a deal with the Spurs, they lose his rights if they cut him. If he signs in the d-league after getting cut in camp, any team can sign him if they wish.

[Ron Swanson]

NBA = fucked

[Jdspur20]

rather have him than Copeland tbh

Without a doubt

[Spurtacular]

At least it wasn't Errors

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/paine-datalab-2016spurs-1.png?w=610&h=646

If Lalanne is relegated to the D-League, there is still one more spot to sign him. Or, Williams could be cut as well. Or, Milutinov could stay overseas.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/paine-datalab-2016spurs-1.png?w=610&h=646

If Lalanne is relegated to the D-League, there is still one more spot to sign him. Or, Williams could be cut as well. Or, Milutinov could stay overseas.
Did McCallum die?

[Spurtacular]

If he plays overseas or in the d-league without signing any contract from the Spurs, they keep his rights. The moment he inks a deal with the Spurs, they lose his rights if they cut him. If he signs in the d-league after getting cut in camp, any team can sign him if they wish.

Well, then there's no need to sign Lalanne 'til they're sure there's a spot for him; and they'll keep his rights for the time being.

[Spurtacular]

Did McCallum die?

:lol

That chart was published after the McCallum trade to (may have been made before it; and the author was too lazy to rework the numbers / article). Either way, I see potential space to sign Ayers if the Spurs decide to take that course.

[Spurtacular]

Glad to have him. I hated him back when we needed an actual good player, but as a deep bench guy he's a good occasional piece vs the Ibakas of the world, plus he's a plus guy in the locker room.

Maybe return to form on his threes, too. I'm thinking that's the hope and the gamble here.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol

That chart was published after the McCallum trade to (may have been made before it; and the author was too lazy to rework the numbers / article). Either way, I see potential space to sign Ayers if the Spurs decide to take that course.
:lol If the Spurs bring back Ayres, even with Boylen leaving, I'm rage quitting.

[Spurtacular]

:lol If the Spurs bring back Ayres, even with Boylen leaving, I'm rage quitting.

He's a big who can bang and eat up fouls. It's not as much a necessity in today's NBA; but there's always gonna be some value in that. Frankly, I'd rather have that than a repeat performance from Williams. If you stick with Williams, you're banking on the guy continuing to progress.

[Budkin]

Best video director on the team tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxw2FZBd7aY

[TD 21]

Any 5th or 6th big whose presence can affect a series (regardless of performance) as Bonner did against OKC 2 years ago is certainly worth the minimum. Throw in that he knows and accepts his role, is well-liked in the locker room, and that his knowledge of the system will be especially useful in the early part of the season while the new bigs learn, and this is a good signing. Also, the enjoyment of the Red Mamba effectively trolling ST has high entertainment value that some plodding nondescript end of the bench big just can't have.

:lol Exactly.

I don't get why anyone would hate this. This isn't the past few years, where fourth big was a question mark and his particular skill filled a need. In a sense, it still does, since none of the bigs are the 3-point shooter he is, but with the amount of shooting and overall quality they now possess at his position, it would take 3 bigs being injured simultaneously for him to be a rotation player.



Considering that the Spurs appeared ready to let Bonner walk a few days ago, I think this move may be a sign that the Spurs are now higher on Kyle Anderson (and possibly Jonathon Simmons). If they think Anderson is a legit backup small forward (and he's looked the part over the last two or three summer league games), suddenly you don't really have to sign an old retread and can instead wait and possibly shop the buyout market later in the year.

SG: Green, Ginobili, Simmons, McCallum, Mills
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Green, Ginobili, Simmons (?), Diaw (?)

That depth is pretty good if Anderson has convinced the Spurs he's a real NBA player and Simmons has convinced the Spurs he's a prospect worthy of a minutes to analyze further.

Whether Anderson looks like a rotation player or not is only half of the equation; the other half is, does he look like one who fits alongside Ginobili? The answer is still a resounding no.

They clearly need a pure shooter. For all the talk about the amount of shooting in the big rotation, the only knockdown three-point shooters on the roster, are Green, Mills and Bonner (who's basically irrelevant, as the sixth big).

Even though he basically plays SG on offense, Mills can't defend the position, so he doesn't count as an SG option.

[littlecoyotecoin]

I get it, they need shooters.. but the guy can't shoot anymore. :td

inb4 some jackass say's ":cry he shot nearly 40% :cry", for one he's coming off his second worst 3 PT% of his career, and for a guy who does absolutely nothing but fire away 3's, he should be shooting at least 55% to truly be effective for the Spurs

Now he takes away minutes and a spot from someone younger. Stupid signing IMO.

Bad take. Just because he "should be shooting 55%" according to you "to be effective" because that's all he does, doesn't mean that's any sort of reality. All he has to be is good enough for defenders to honor the shot and defend him. 37%, his second worst percentage, is still good enough to force defenders to have to honor it. That 37%, not even his 40-41% usual pace, is still 2 percentage points higher than Aldridge's career number at 35%, I believe. And, it's not a safe assumption that he will stay at 37%, or lower. He may bounce back toward the mean, or, gasp, even overshoot it at 45-50% in order to maintain that mean. That sometimes happens. That's how means work. But, even at 37%, he would be the best 3-point shooting big on the team. NOT redundant as some have said.

He has some limited defensive ability, is a great guy for corporate knowledge reasons, as many have said. And, his little pump fake drive and jump hook in the lane isn't exactly inefficient. I think he hits that at a pretty decent clip.

Plenty of worse guys we could have for the minimum. Ayres and Copeland are probably two of them. I was not looking forward to Copeland from what little I know of him.

Shooting 37% from 3 is the equivalent of shooting 55.5% from inside the arc. Still very respectable, and requiring guarding.

[random21]

Ibaka repellant

[littlecoyotecoin]

This. Forgot the part where the fucker passes up open shots, and his shot isn't respected anymore though.

Of course it is, OKC game as previously exemplified by BillMc. And, in the regular season, let them not honor it, and he'll knock it down at a substantial clip, in the 0-10 minutes per game he gets. Big deal.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

It's not enough to wet the bed. Sign the new Richard Jefferson, and don't worry about the cap pressure. The real beauty is the following stages of bed wettery.

Ignore the cold shivers. Green, Timmy, Manu there's some wiggle room there.

Induce a nightmarish dream. Why would you want a return on investment? Splitter and Joseph can practically just go.

Then there's what you hope is the final stage. Give up and hide the wet linen, this is the faux encore. The icing on the cake moves. Bring in Bobarian. Take a look at Copeland, pretend you couldn't send Beli and Baynes away before the deadline. Send LJC back to France. Admit summer league is just a show for Anderson and Simmons, nobody else ever had a real shot. And of course re-sign Matt Bonner. Real solid stuff.

Then there's the encore... the moment we have asked for and shall recieve... mom and dad finding out... the tragic playoff bounce! perhaps in conference finals to Golden State, to be fair the Spurs did a pretty good job making the bed look normal. Ah, but the stench of dry piss is too strong! If mom and dad didn't smell it, they surely noticed the Spurs sheet-less bed rash. I'm holding out hope for a truly unexpected surprise, last years Clippers is too easy. The Spurs are better than that, what i'm imagining is something incredible. a first round exit to the 7 seed timberwolves, a truly triumphant moment for KG. He can go on to be the coach of a new, much less Bonnery/bed wettery small town dynasty. or an uglier small town dynasty story. A second round exit to the breath of fresh air Billy Donovan Thunder. All that depth, and even a touch a Spursy flavor like Collisons ridiculous longevity and the totally unfathomable presence of Novak. Money on the thunder, but God i hope KG is hungry.

[Aztecfan03]

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/paine-datalab-2016spurs-1.png?w=610&h=646

If Lalanne is relegated to the D-League, there is still one more spot to sign him. Or, Williams could be cut as well. Or, Milutinov could stay overseas.

If Williams is not cut, there is no spot for Lalanne or Errors(we added mccallum and simmons) And It's was confirmed a while ago that milutinov isn't coming over.

[TheGreatYacht]

Of course it is, OKC game as previously exemplified by BillMc. And, in the regular season, let them not honor it, and he'll knock it down at a substantial clip, in the 0-10 minutes per game he gets. Big deal.
A game, 2 years ago, where he scored 6 points should not be a reason why he's still taking up a roster spot. He shot 37% from deep last year and chances are greater that he'll be even worse from there a year older.

Btw... the real Ibaka killer that game was


http://youtu.be/TMCbMmg1hz8

[DrunkTXLabrat]

It's not enough to wet the bed. Sign the new Richard Jefferson, and don't worry about the cap pressure. The real beauty is the following stages of bed wettery.

Ignore the cold shivers. Green, Timmy, Manu there's some wiggle room there.

Induce a nightmarish dream. Why would you want a return on investment? Splitter and Joseph can practically just go.

Then there's what you hope is the final stage. Give up and hide the wet linen, this is the faux encore. The icing on the cake moves. Bring in Bobarian. Take a look at Copeland, pretend you couldn't send Beli and Baynes away before the deadline. Send LJC back to France. Admit summer league is just a show for Anderson and Simmons, nobody else ever had a real shot. And of course re-sign Matt Bonner. Real solid stuff.

Then there's the encore... the moment we have asked for and shall recieve... mom and dad finding out... the tragic playoff bounce! perhaps in conference finals to Golden State, to be fair the Spurs did a pretty good job making the bed look normal. Ah, but the stench of dry piss is too strong! If mom and dad didn't smell it, they surely noticed the Spurs sheet-less bed rash. I'm holding out hope for a truly unexpected surprise, last years Clippers is too easy. The Spurs are better than that, what i'm imagining is something incredible. a first round exit to the 7 seed timberwolves, a truly triumphant moment for KG. He can go on to be the coach of a new, much less Bonnery/bed wettery small town dynasty. or an uglier small town dynasty story. A second round exit to the breath of fresh air Billy Donovan Thunder. All that depth, and even a touch a Spursy flavor like Collisons ridiculous longevity and the totally unfathomable presence of Novak. Money on the thunder, but God i hope KG is hungry.

one more time, for SpurPadre

[ChumpDumper]

It's not enough to wet the bed. Sign the new Richard Jefferson, and don't worry about the cap pressure. The real beauty is the following stages of bed wettery.

Ignore the cold shivers. Green, Timmy, Manu there's some wiggle room there.

Induce a nightmarish dream. Why would you want a return on investment? Splitter and Joseph can practically just go.

Then there's what you hope is the final stage. Give up and hide the wet linen, this is the faux encore. The icing on the cake moves. Bring in Bobarian. Take a look at Copeland, pretend you couldn't send Beli and Baynes away before the deadline. Send LJC back to France. Admit summer league is just a show for Anderson and Simmons, nobody else ever had a real shot. And of course re-sign Matt Bonner. Real solid stuff.

Then there's the encore... the moment we have asked for and shall recieve... mom and dad finding out... the tragic playoff bounce! perhaps in conference finals to Golden State, to be fair the Spurs did a pretty good job making the bed look normal. Ah, but the stench of dry piss is too strong! If mom and dad didn't smell it, they surely noticed the Spurs sheet-less bed rash. I'm holding out hope for a truly unexpected surprise, last years Clippers is too easy. The Spurs are better than that, what i'm imagining is something incredible. a first round exit to the 7 seed timberwolves, a truly triumphant moment for KG. He can go on to be the coach of a new, much less Bonnery/bed wettery small town dynasty. or an uglier small town dynasty story. A second round exit to the breath of fresh air Billy Donovan Thunder. All that depth, and even a touch a Spursy flavor like Collisons ridiculous longevity and the totally unfathomable presence of Novak. Money on the thunder, but God i hope KG is hungry.Do you actively try to make no sense whatsoever?

[Aztecfan03]

He's a big who can bang and eat up fouls. It's not as much a necessity in today's NBA; but there's always gonna be some value in that. Frankly, I'd rather have that than a repeat performance from Williams. If you stick with Williams, you're banking on the guy continuing to progress.
we don't need 7 bigs.

[DJR210]

Bad take. Just because he "should be shooting 55%" according to you "to be effective" because that's all he does, doesn't mean that's any sort of reality. All he has to be is good enough for defenders to honor the shot and defend him. 37%, his second worst percentage, is still good enough to force defenders to have to honor it. That 37%, not even his 40-41% usual pace, is still 2 percentage points higher than Aldridge's career number at 35%, I believe. And, it's not a safe assumption that he will stay at 37%, or lower. He may bounce back toward the mean, or, gasp, even overshoot it at 45-50% in order to maintain that mean. That sometimes happens. That's how means work. But, even at 37%, he would be the best 3-point shooting big on the team. NOT redundant as some have said.

He has some limited defensive ability, is a great guy for corporate knowledge reasons, as many have said. And, his little pump fake drive and jump hook in the lane isn't exactly inefficient. I think he hits that at a pretty decent clip.

Plenty of worse guys we could have for the minimum. Ayres and Copeland are probably two of them. I was not looking forward to Copeland from what Little I know of him.

Shooting 37% from 3 is the equivalent of shooting 55.5% from inside the arc. Still very respectable, and requiring guarding.

Bad take. We didn't bring Aldridge here to shoot threes, so not understanding your point. If you feel an unathletic, extremely one dimensional three point "specialist" who shoots less than 40% is a good signing, then you're entitled to that opinion.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Do you actively try to make no sense whatsoever?

i can't make this stuff up man, it writes itself.

[Chinook]

Well, then there's no need to sign Lalanne 'til they're sure there's a spot for him; and they'll keep his rights for the time being.

It's not their decision. They HAVE to offer LaLanne a contract to keep his rights, and Cady has to refuse it. If he accepts he goes to camp, and if they cut him, no one owns his rights.

[Darkwaters]

Doesn't this signing potentially stunt the growth of some of the other young up and comers we have that could've benefited from being in the roster and learning the system directly from Pop and practicing with the rest of the team?

Like who? Duncan, Aldridge, West and Diaw are all seasoned vets. The only up-and-comer among our posts might be Marjanovic. But hes hardly a typical rookie with plenty of professional experience at the highest level outside of the NBA.

Among the international draft and stash player there might be one or two honestly. Mulitinov, Jean-Charles and Lalanne are all possible post players that might have benefited from that last roster spot. But having seen two of them up close during SL they're quite clearly not ready for the NBA and wouldn't be end-of-the-bench options in a win-now Spurs culture. I imagine their opinion of Mulitinov is probably similar to that of LJC right now - they just need more seasoning abroad.


And don't we have enough players that can space the floor, thus making Bonner redundant?

The team is actually rather short on pure 3 point shooters. This is especially true among the posts as neither Aldridge nor West is an accomplished distance shooter, and Diaw's 3 point shot is very hot and cold. And don't expect Duncan nor Marjanovic to be jacking those up either.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Called it. Matty was always coming back. And I'm glad he is. As 6th big he does no harm, and any PT he recieves he'll know exactly where to be. He will also serve as another coach to all the new faces.

[dbestpro]

Bonner gonna teach Boban all his moves.

[littlecoyotecoin]

A game, 2 years ago, where he scored 6 points should not be a reason why he's still taking up a roster spot. He shot 37% from deep last year and chances are greater that he'll be even worse from there a year older.

Btw... the real Ibaka killer that game was


http://youtu.be/TMCbMmg1hz8

That was AN example. In the playoffs. Those percentages are all year and career long. You may not want to acknowledge the other games, but they exist.

[TheGoldStandard]

Bonner gonna teach Boban all his moves.

When you get the ball and someone is within 6 feet pass the ball. If you absolutely must shoot aim for the back iron they make a special thunk sound when you miss. Occasionally when we are winning by 15 you can hit a wide open shot.

[milkyway21]

I knew it !
Maybe, just maybe, for TWO REA$ONS :
1. He's needed as locker-room fixture. or;
2. Nobody wants to be exposed to the media interviews except him, he's a perfect fit.

Frankly, I don't give a ..... . :nutkick:

:

[JeffDuncan]

I got it! I figured it out.

Say that bringing Duncan and Ginobili back for another year doesn't work out... and signing Aldridge and West doesn't work out... and the max deal with Kawhi doesn't work out... and resigning Green doesn't work out... and Anderson doesn't work out... and letting go of Splitter, Baynes, Beli, and CoJo doesn't work out... and signing Boban, and McCallum, and Simmons doesn't work out...

Bonner is Plan B!!!

You always have to have a plan B. Pop and RC are geniuses.

[TheGreatYacht]

That was AN example. In the playoffs. Those percentages are all year and career long. You may not want to acknowledge the other games, but they exist.
A game where he scored 6 points is his biggest playoff contribution in 9 years. He's living off reputation now.

[TheGreatYacht]

When you get the ball and someone is within 6 feet pass the ball. If you absolutely must shoot aim for the back iron they make a special thunk sound when you miss. Occasionally when we are winning by 15 you can hit a wide open shot.
:rollin

[spurs10]

Bonner is to the Spurs what Keith Richards is to rock 'n roll. We need to leave this world a better place for Keith Richards and the Red Rocket!

[ElNono]

we're too stacked to care about the 5th/6th big, tbh...

[MaNu4Tres]

Whether Anderson looks like a rotation player or not is only half of the equation; the other half is, does he look like one who fits alongside Ginobili? The answer is still a resounding no.

They clearly need a pure shooter. For all the talk about the amount of shooting in the big rotation, the only knockdown three-point shooters on the roster, are Green, Mills and Bonner (who's basically irrelevant, as the sixth big).

Even though he basically plays SG on offense, Mills can't defend the position, so he doesn't count as an SG option.

Agree with this to an extent.

However, its reasonable to believe Manu's play-making responsibilities/usage rate will decline to a degree. In this case, I think Kyle could work w/ Manu on 2nd team if Manu plays a little bit more off the ball here and there -- while Kyle is the player working the high PnR in the second unit ( this is if Kyle earn more minutes/responsibility from now til then). Think this idea could preserve Manu's energy and make him more efficient whenever he does run the offense for the 2nd unit. Also it could help him get through the 7-8 month season without as much wear and tear on his tires.

Side note: It's reasonable to assume Green's workload and minutes will increase this year. Spurs want him to grow even more. For that reason and others, I'm not too worried about rushing to add a wing to the 15th spot right now. That guy will be irrelevant for the most part unless the team gets hit hard with injuries but even then, they have Simmons and Anderson already in line to eat minutes when players need rest or recovery time.

In close/competitive games and playoffs, I can see Pop going w/ a 3 wing rotation with Leonard/Green seeing heavy minutes with Manu getting his 20-22 mpg and the winner of the Simmons/Anderson competition will only be included if an injury happens or if Leonard or Green gets in foul trouble. Then again, there's a scenario where Kyle or Simmons exceed expectations and produce to the point where Pop has to find minutes for him -- which would just be icing on the cake. IMO

Spurs are fine at the wing as is -- if you want to give Green the room (minutes) to grow even more. IMO

[littlecoyotecoin]

Bad take. We didn't bring Aldridge here to shoot threes, so not understanding your point. If you feel an unathletic, extremely one dimensional three point "specialist" who shoots less than 40% is a good signing, then you're entitled to that opinion.

No one, including myself, said we brough LA here to shoot 3's. That doesn't negate the fact that he does. It also doesn't negate the fact that some said Bonner was redundant. The fact that even at his worst, he shoots the 3 better than the next best 3-shooting big. Lastly, I said we could do worse. I am sure they took all things into consideration when they resigned him. I'm ok with it. He has value. Yes. He is a specialist, which makes him not redundant, and potentially useful, in that special situation. BillMc's example being a good EXAMPLE.

[JeffDuncan]

Here's the Bonner story on spurs dot com:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-re-sign-matt-bonner

[TheGoldStandard]

Bonner is the only spur that is willing to help pop with his hemeroids on the road

[timtonymanu]

Yeah I expect a lot of DNP nights for Bonner and for him to take on the Juwan Howard bench role. The team is too good in the frontcourt for Marty to be in the rotation.

[Darkwaters]

:lol I still have no idea why people are upset at signing Bonner as our 6th big. Seriously...6th.

If you want a veteran player with knowledge of the system and a useful skillset on the cheap then I don't know who would be a better signing. Consider this was probably a two-horse race between him and Errors. Would we prefer a return to the Pendergraph Era?

[HBK]

Bonner is still an asset off the bench as a 6th big. He's hardly ever going to play, but he'll come in handy against bad teams when we rest Timmy and Tony and those guys.

Plus he's still the human victory cigar :hat

[gambit1990]

if he starts at PG that'll be an improvement for us.

[littlecoyotecoin]

A game where he scored 6 points is his biggest playoff contribution in 9 years. He's living off reputation now.

If it benefits us, I don't care. And, the reputation is deserved. The percentages speak for themselves.

[99 Problems]

Red Mamba = Champion. :lobt2:

[JeffDuncan]

Bonner slide show.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/gallery/matt-bonner-through-years

[TD 21]

Agree with this to an extent.

However, its reasonable to believe Manu's play-making responsibilities/usage rate will decline to a degree. In this case, I think Kyle could work w/ Manu on 2nd team if Manu plays a little bit more off the ball here and there -- while Kyle is the player working the high PnR in the second unit ( this is if Kyle earn more minutes/responsibility from now til then). Think this idea could preserve Manu's energy and make him more efficient whenever he does run the offense for the 2nd unit. Also it could help him get through the 7-8 month season without as much wear and tear on his tires.

Side note: It's reasonable to assume Green's workload and minutes will increase this year. Spurs want him to grow even more. For that reason and others, I'm not too worried about rushing to add a wing to the 15th spot right now. That guy will be irrelevant for the most part unless the team gets hit hard with injuries but even then, they have Simmons and Anderson already in line to eat minutes when players need rest or recovery time.

In close/competitive games and playoffs, I can see Pop going w/ a 3 wing rotation with Leonard/Green seeing heavy minutes with Manu getting his 20-22 mpg and the winner of the Simmons/Anderson competition will only be included if an injury happens or if Leonard or Green gets in foul trouble. Then again, there's a scenario where Kyle or Simmons exceed expectations and produce to the point where Pop has to find minutes for him -- which would just be icing on the cake. IMO

Spurs are fine at the wing as is -- if you want to give Green the room (minutes) to grow even more. IMO

Not with the second unit, Ginobili's play making/usage won't.

I'm not concerned with conserving Ginobili's energy. He's going to play 22-24 mpg, get the occasional game off and probably have at least one injury too. He should be fine.

With the quality of the top three wings, they don't need a fourth the caliber of a Belinelli, but they do have a need for someone with a similar skill set. Signing a Jenkins or Butler or whoever, wouldn't stop Green from growing or automatically block Anderson and Simmons from getting an opportunity, but they wouldn't be irrelevant either. In fact, they'd probably be the odds on favorite to be the fourth wing, since they're a better fit. Also, it's not like Leonard and Ginobili are the most durable of players.

[DJR210]

No one, including myself, said we brough LA here to shoot 3's. That doesn't negate the fact that he does. It also doesn't negate the fact that some said Bonner was redundant. The fact that even at his worst, he shoots the 3 better than the next best 3-shooting big. Lastly, I said we could do worse. I am sure they took all things into consideration when they resigned him. I'm ok with it. He has value. Yes. He is a specialist, which makes him not redundant, and potentially useful, in that special situation. BillMc's example being a good EXAMPLE.

So you feel that out of the D-league, FA's, or maybe even our own prospects we didn't have an option for the same cost that would bring at the least what Bonner brings next season?

[littlecoyotecoin]

So you feel that out of the D-league, FA's, or maybe even our own prospects we didn't have an option for the same cost that would bring at the least what Bonner brings next season?

I am open to suggestions, but I also see their reasoning.

[ace3g]

Manu Ginobili @manuginobili
(https://twitter.com/manuginobili)Very happy to read that Matt Bonner, aka Red Rocket, aka Red Mamba, aka Coach B, aka Air New Hampshire is coming back next season! https://ton.twimg.com/tweetdeck-web/web/assets/emoji/light/1f680.4e205663eb.pnghttps://ton.twimg.com/tweetdeck-web/web/assets/emoji/light/1f680.4e205663eb.png

[DJR210]

I am open to suggestions, but I also see their reasoning.

IMO their reason was trust and corporate knowledge. Considering what the FO has done so far, it's not a really big issue, but I wish they would have rolled the dice because his playoff numbers have sucked too.

[Biernutz]

Matt will do anything Pop ask. He will play anytime when asked. He will get sandwiches if asked.
Matt loves to play and every team wants a player like Matt.He is always ready.Every clubhouse
needs a Matt.

Glad your back .....

[loveforthegame]

I can't wait to see the look on Aldridges face when he realizes Bonner is starting with him that first night Duncan has off. :lol

[callo1]

For the minimum it is a super deal. Matt knows the system, his defense is decent when he is used sparingly, and his offensive game has improved over the years. He can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim and finish with that little baby hook.

[Darkwaters]

Red Mamba = Champion. :lobt2:

I think you meant: :lobt2: :lobt2:

[SpurPadre]

I can't wait to see the look on Aldridges face when he realizes Bonner is starting with him that first night Duncan has off. :lol

He'll be like this:
http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/will-smith-the-fuck.gif

[davidbowie]

thank fuckin god. dude belongs here.

if you hate the red mamba....well i pity you

[HI-FI]

There is a God! :lol
:lol

i'm cool having him back. the team could use a good locker room guy with the new faces. Least he won't bitch about his role or minutes. Plus it's worth it to see the crying on SpursTalk.

[SpurPadre]

A bunch of sadomasochistic motherfuckers here that are happy with this shit. Unreal, lol. Yeah, I know, it's sacrilege to bad mouth this fucker of all people, lol. Bizarro world, man.

[MI21]

:tu

Can't believe he is still hanging around but I don't hate it for many reasons as already stated. Continuity, chemistry and a positive off court guy are going to be pretty important this season with the Spurs bringing in so many new guys. Bonner strikes me as the type of guy that most people will get along with, even people that you may not expect him to relate to (young black guys, tbh :lol)

He can be a decent minute eater in the doldrums in the regular season as well, good against those lowly eastern conference teams who still think he can hit 3's regularly. For me the only downside is he is potentially taking some garbage time minutes away from a young prospect, but at this point the Spurs are all-in so that doesn't really matter tbh

[manufan10]

Let's get this thread to 100 pages. :lol

[SpurPadre]

:tu

Can't believe he is still hanging around but I don't hate it for many reasons as already stated. Continuity, chemistry and a positive off court guy are going to be pretty important this season with the Spurs bringing in so many new guys. Bonner strikes me as the type of guy that most people will get along with, even people that you may not expect him to relate to (young black guys, tbh :lol)

He can be a decent minute eater in the doldrums in the regular season as well, good against those lowly eastern conference teams who still think he can hit 3's regularly. For me the only downside is he is potentially taking some garbage time minutes away from a young prospect, but at this point the Spurs are all-in so that doesn't really matter tbh

That's my main gripe. It's a gratuitous signing that only sets out to give the guy a piggy back to another ring.

[slick'81]

Fck should of known better

[gameFACE]

Welcome back Red Mamba. I always wanted to like him more than I actually did. But he's good people and great in a few situations. One thing for sure is Brian Scalabrine has nothing on two time champ Matty B!

[Johnsyounger]

If Bonner rings he'll have more than Bron

[SpurPadre]

I guess I can still hold out hope he can be used as trade bait by the deadline.

[timtonymanu]

A bunch of sadomasochistic motherfuckers here that are happy with this shit. Unreal, lol. Yeah, I know, it's sacrilege to bad mouth this fucker of all people, lol. Bizarro world, man.

I just stopped giving a shit about the guy when Pop finally stopped playing him in the Diaw role. There have been bigger scrubs than Bonner to the team the last 3 seasons.

[SpurPadre]

I just stopped giving a shit about the guy when Pop finally stopped playing him in the Diaw role. There have been bigger scrubs than Bonner to the team the last 3 seasons.

Speaking of, do you think Boylen gets the Bulls to pick up Ayres? LOL.

[Sean Cagney]

thank fuckin god. dude belongs here.

if you hate the red mamba....well i pity you
Ehhhh he still sucks.

[timtonymanu]

Speaking of, do you think Boylen gets the Bulls to pick up Ayres? LOL.

I think Ayres did enough to scare any team away. :lol

Maybe Boylen learned his lesson. We'll see.

[MVPCues]

A bunch of sadomasochistic motherfuckers here that are happy with this shit. Unreal, lol. Yeah, I know, it's sacrilege to bad mouth this fucker of all people, lol. Bizarro world, man.

While I think Bonner looked done last year, I don't hate him. I'm sure glad you do though...funny stuff.

[Splits]

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[dbreiden83080]

1.4 million to sit on the bench and wave the occasional towel.. What a country..

[Vokun]

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[outmap]

if he starts at PG that'll be an improvement for us.

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:lol

[spursparker9]

Still the best Ikaba defender we have.

And playing LMA at 5, Bonner at 4 and Diaw at 3 probably mean that all the 5 guys on the court are a threat from 3 pt line

[Kurik]

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[Dingle Barry]

It's not enough to wet the bed. Sign the new Richard Jefferson, and don't worry about the cap pressure. The real beauty is the following stages of bed wettery.

Ignore the cold shivers. Green, Timmy, Manu there's some wiggle room there.

Induce a nightmarish dream. Why would you want a return on investment? Splitter and Joseph can practically just go.

Then there's what you hope is the final stage. Give up and hide the wet linen, this is the faux encore. The icing on the cake moves. Bring in Bobarian. Take a look at Copeland, pretend you couldn't send Beli and Baynes away before the deadline. Send LJC back to France. Admit summer league is just a show for Anderson and Simmons, nobody else ever had a real shot. And of course re-sign Matt Bonner. Real solid stuff.

Then there's the encore... the moment we have asked for and shall recieve... mom and dad finding out... the tragic playoff bounce! perhaps in conference finals to Golden State, to be fair the Spurs did a pretty good job making the bed look normal. Ah, but the stench of dry piss is too strong! If mom and dad didn't smell it, they surely noticed the Spurs sheet-less bed rash. I'm holding out hope for a truly unexpected surprise, last years Clippers is too easy. The Spurs are better than that, what i'm imagining is something incredible. a first round exit to the 7 seed timberwolves, a truly triumphant moment for KG. He can go on to be the coach of a new, much less Bonnery/bed wettery small town dynasty. or an uglier small town dynasty story. A second round exit to the breath of fresh air Billy Donovan Thunder. All that depth, and even a touch a Spursy flavor like Collisons ridiculous longevity and the totally unfathomable presence of Novak. Money on the thunder, but God i hope KG is hungry.

I think you may have brain cancer bro.

[Kawhitstorm]

Teams STILL respect him b/c he led the league in 3 point percentage a couple of years ago:lol so he isn't a bad option as the 14th man since he would only be a situational player.

[SpursFan86]

Dude shoots 37% from 3 one season and suddenly people act like he's no longer a threat from deep :lol

Spurs fans are insane. You could do so much worse than Bonner on a minimum deal for your 14th man. He probably won't even play 10 mpg next season, and won't even play 5 mpg in the playoffs...is this seriously that big of a deal to some of you?

[GSH]

I was probably the biggest Bonner hater on the board circa 2011. But considering it's 2015-2016 and this nigga is still on the team, you just gotta admire his resiliency.

Hating on him is pointless, it'd be like hating on the sun for rising every morning tbh :lol


That's funny. Yeah, when we were discovering that he was a playoff no-show, and we still had expectations, we were screaming at the television and hating him. Now we know how he's going to be, don't have any expectations, and anything good he does is a bonus. He's OUR red-headed stepchild.

[ohmwrecker]

ok

[marinoman]

even if he's hesitating and missing 3s he does get ibaka out of the paint in the playoffs. Lets hope donovan is as stupid as brooks and has no counter

[BatManu20]

Bonner's good people. Rather have him than Errors. No issue with this at the minimum and as our 6th big.


With that said, I can't believe this will be Bonner's 10th season with us. How in the hell did he last 10 years with the Spurs? :lol Pop must REALLY enjoy him as a golfing buddy.

[heyheymymy]

Spurs fans get gifted with the wealthiest off season in franchise history and they want to bitch about the 6th big/14th player. Again, this isn't 2011 where he was out of place and getting used too much. This role is perfect for him and I'm glad he is back.

Bonner is a great guy to have on the team, stretch 4, great locker room presence and has the system down. What more do you want for the min on some deep bigs depth?

You can tell who the little 2k fanboy children are in this thread by the complaining.

[Mugen]

Yeah if anybody is gonna complain about Bonner, it better damn be Spurfan tbh.

[HBK]

Haters gonna hate


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[lefty]

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[dabom]

Bonner shoots 34% from WIDE OPEN NO PRESSURE SHOTS. lol. :lmao

[lmbebo]

Expected it to happen.

Great locker room guy. Stretch 4. Doesn't complain. Knows system. Not being over used. His name isn't Jeff Ayers. I'm happy.

[dabom]

Expected it to happen.

Great locker room guy. Stretch 4. Doesn't complain. Knows system. Not being over used. His name isn't Jeff Ayers. I'm happy.

Anyone not named jeff ayers is already better than jeff ayres. Not that high of a bench mark tbh. :lmao

[dabom]

Bonner's 3 point pump fake to the baby hook shot is money though. :lmao

[dabom]

I lolz everytime. :lmao

[dabom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7uDTU1IHYc:lmao

[TheGoldStandard]

Anyone not named jeff ayers is already better than jeff ayres. Not that high of a bench mark tbh. :lmao

There is a poor guy somewhere named Jeff Ayres that had to change his name not to be associated with that steaming pile of horse manure

[dabom]

There is a poor guy somewhere named Jeff Ayres that had to change his name not to be associated with that steaming pile of horse manure

:lmao

[Vic Petro]

Looks to me that the Spurs wanted a pure stretch-4 for the 6th big. They gave Cady a chance to fill the role. When he proved he wasn't ready, they went back to Bonner. If it had to be a stretch-4, he's better than anything else out there on the scrap heap on corporate knowledge alone.

[Cactus Jack]

It was destiny.

[TheGoldStandard]

http://i58.tinypic.com/o5orqt.jpg This Jeff Ayres is a better basketball player than our former Jeff Ayres

[Spurtacular]

It's not their decision. They HAVE to offer LaLanne a contract to keep his rights, and Cady has to refuse it. If he accepts he goes to camp, and if they cut him, no one owns his rights.

Well, then sign him and let him play in the d-league. Though, he's likely the 15th man at this point if they don't resign Ayers.

[TheGoldStandard]

Looks to me that the Spurs wanted a pure stretch-4 for the 6th big. They gave Cady a chance to fill the role. When he proved he wasn't ready, they went back to Bonner. If it had to be a stretch-4, he's better than anything else out there on the scrap heap on corporate knowledge alone.

Can we send Bonner to the Summer league, he could use some minutes

[SPURt]

yes!! Spurs shower time gets this one more season:
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[HarryLoLa]

:chestbump

[Strategic]

Why have a 22 year old sixth big sitting behind the bench most games? When TD and West rest do you really want someone that doesn't know the offense playing beside Aldridge? Get that dumb shit outta here. When Patfo needs a young big hell get one. Bonner fits the uniform.

[Sean Cagney]

Dude shoots 37% from 3 one season and suddenly people act like he's no longer a threat from deep :lol

Spurs fans are insane. You could do so much worse than Bonner on a minimum deal for your 14th man. He probably won't even play 10 mpg next season, and won't even play 5 mpg in the playoffs...is this seriously that big of a deal to some of you?
Those last parts you mention are a very good thing, situational he is fine and the 14th man role..... If he goes 09-11 on us again we are fucked :lol I agree though, not a fan of dude but at that role who cares really?

[SpurPadre]

Like who? Duncan, Aldridge, West and Diaw are all seasoned vets. The only up-and-comer among our posts might be Marjanovic. But hes hardly a typical rookie with plenty of professional experience at the highest level outside of the NBA.

Among the international draft and stash player there might be one or two honestly. Mulitinov, Jean-Charles and Lalanne are all possible post players that might have benefited from that last roster spot. But having seen two of them up close during SL they're quite clearly not ready for the NBA and wouldn't be end-of-the-bench options in a win-now Spurs culture. I imagine their opinion of Mulitinov is probably similar to that of LJC right now - they just need more seasoning abroad.

Thanks for the good take though I'm still not a happy about the deal despite the fact he'll have a ultra-minimal role on the team. Still loving our chances for next season, of course.


The team is actually rather short on pure 3 point shooters. This is especially true among the posts as neither Aldridge nor West is an accomplished distance shooter, and Diaw's 3 point shot is very hot and cold. And don't expect Duncan nor Marjanovic to be jacking those up either.

Thanks for the good take though I'm still not happy about having him back despite his obvious minimal role. Of course, I'm still loving this offseason!

[Rito3d30]

replace Aryes with Bonner da victory cigar?
Hell yeah
the Spurs is STACKKKKKED

[Aztecfan03]

Still the best Ikaba defender we have.

And playing LMA at 5, Bonner at 4 and Diaw at 3 probably mean that all the 5 guys on the court are a threat from 3 pt line

No. No. And No.

And since when is Kawhi not a 3-pt threat?

[Strategic]

More posts about needing a bench full of 3 point shooters. Trying to think of what pure shooters the Spurs lost from last seasons championship team. Oh wait, Spurs lost the inconquerable Bellinelli. I think LMA and DW's 17 footers will fill the gap.

[SpursFan86]

Those last parts you mention are a very good thing, situational he is fine and the 14th man role..... If he goes 09-11 on us again we are fucked :lol I agree though, not a fan of dude but at that role who cares really?

That's exactly the point. No one here is advocating that we go back to playing Bonner 20+ mpg :lol But to act like he's completely worthless or has no use anymore is just as dumb. Even with him having a down year (and fwiw, he claims he was dealing with an elbow injury), he still shot 37% from 3. He's still a stretch 4, and you never know when you might need that for spot minutes here and there.

And before someone says "Well yeah but Pop loves Bonner and will end up playing him more than he should!" - over the past 2 years, Bonner has averaged 12.2 mpg in the regular season and 5.9 mpg in the playoffs. That's with Splitter constantly dealing with injuries and only playing ~20 mpg. Now we have Aldridge who will be playing 30+ mpg, and also David West. I see no reason to worry about Bonner getting too many minutes.

[SAGirl]

Not with the second unit, Ginobili's play making/usage won't.

I'm not concerned with conserving Ginobili's energy. He's going to play 22-24 mpg, get the occasional game off and probably have at least one injury too. He should be fine.

With the quality of the top three wings, they don't need a fourth the caliber of a Belinelli, but they do have a need for someone with a similar skill set. Signing a Jenkins or Butler or whoever, wouldn't stop Green from growing or automatically block Anderson and Simmons from getting an opportunity, but they wouldn't be irrelevant either. In fact, they'd probably be the odds on favorite to be the fourth wing, since they're a better fit. Also, it's not like Leonard and Ginobili are the most durable of players. Manu towards the end of the season was playing a less, more around 18 minutes. He was also lacking in scoring and his decision making was compromised the more of a burden you put on him. Spurs signed Simmons bc he can get his own shot as well as shoot the 3. They are developing KA to be a playmaker and a scorer who doesn't need others to create a shot for him. It will be easier for MAnu to play with guys like these, who can hit the 3 but also do their own thing than to have to create looks for a spot up shooter. I agree w/ Manutres. You are thinking this Manu will be like the MAnu of old and he won't be. Second unit will be more dynamic than b4 and less dependent on Manu. He is likely to play a lot off of other guys. He really couldn't at times last year handle all the playmaking burden by himself. He is likely to be even more effective with less of a burden and more help.

[Capster]

I groan every time Pop sends Bonner in to the game.

[Beaverfuzz]

IT'S BONER TIME!

:bobo

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Til the wheels fall off :lol

[hsxvvd]

Let's face it... without Bonner there'd be half as many threads.

[GSH]

If you're gonna look at Matt Bonner stats, there's only one that means anything:

Bonner has a career .414 3P shooting percentage.
Bonner has a career .355 PLAYOFF 3P shooting percentage.

Anything else you can say about him is totally overshadowed by that one stat. If you just have to look at another stat, how about this?

Bonner has a career .569 EFG%
Bonner has a career .511 PLAYOFF EFG%
Last year in the playoffs, Bonner had a .300 EFG%


Let him play in the regular season, to rest some other guys. But if you measure success in rings? Bonner ain't your guy. He needs to be off the floor in the post-season. He's proven it for 9 straight seasons.

[Chomper]

I really like Matt Bonner as a person and I think he's great for team chemistry. He's a lovable goof and he serves as the teams comic relief throughout the grueling regular season.

But I really hope he never plays a minute in the playoffs. He can't even make wide-open 3's anymore. He's been irrelevant for several years now, and he's never showed up in a single Spurs playoff series in his career besides vs the Lakers in 2013.

[SpursFan86]

Bonner hasn't even played 6 mpg over the past two postseasons. I really don't get why people are worrying so much about him playing in the playoffs :lol

[spurraider21]

Bonerific