Hillary is in major trouble.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Now with her possibly being investigated for criminal offenses due to her email fiasco and losing major ground to the GOP candidates. Her trustworthiness is at an all time low and demeanor is lackluster at best. Obama showed her weakness in public appearances and lack of answering questions is making her look more and like a weak candidate against any GOP force. Time for Joe Biden to get in the race. He's very popular and has been a strong VP. Bernie simply doesn't have that presidential look that is necessary in today's world.

[Blake]

Now with her possibly being investigated for criminal offenses due to her email fiasco...

" The account of the investigation changed overnight. The Times initially reported that the inspectors general sought a criminal inquiry into Clinton's handling of possible classified material with her private email while working as secretary of state. The story now says the investigation would simply look at whether sensitive information was mishandled -- but not necessarily by Clinton...."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/politics/hillary-clinton-email-justice-department/

[JohnnyMarzetti]

" The account of the investigation changed overnight. The Times initially reported that the inspectors general sought a criminal inquiry into Clinton's handling of possible classified material with her private email while working as secretary of state. The story now says the investigation would simply look at whether sensitive information was mishandled -- but not necessarily by Clinton...."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/politics/hillary-clinton-email-justice-department/

Damage is already done. Her political advisors need to work major overtime and fast. She needs to be on the Sunday morning shows and get her message out there. She just can't sit back.

[Blake]

Meh, I don't think it's as big a deal as all that.

[Winehole23]

The more people see and hear from HRC, the less they like her. Similar dynamic as 2008.

[Spurminator]

She's still the safest choice for the Democrats, and it puts the GOP in an attack position in the election... they'll be talking more about her than their own candidate, which never works (see 1996, 2004, 2012).

[JohnnyMarzetti]

The more people see and hear from HRC, the less they like her. Similar dynamic as 2008.

Yes, that is why Obama took her out so easily. He was much more likable and fair or not, Americans need to like their president. I feel America likes Joe Biden much more than Hillary and so do I.

[Blake]

I feel America likes Joe Biden much more than Hillary and so do I.

I think your feelers are off

[Spurminator]

Joe Biden will not excite Democratic voters.

[Winehole23]

wonder what Trump's price is for not running as a third party candidate. a three way race with one candidate bashing the GOP from the right would be a boon to HRC.

[Blake]

wonder what Trump's price is for not running as a third party candidate. a three way race with one candidate bashing the GOP from the right would be a boon to HRC.

Whoa flashback to Bill beating Bush thanks to Ross grabbing 3rd party votes

[Blake]

I'll admit, there's something about Hillary that when she speaks, it just grates on me like nails on a chalkboard.

But nobody can deny just how incredibly impressive her resume is

[DMX7]

I'll admit, there's something about Hillary that when she speaks, it just grates on me like nails on a chalkboard.

But nobody can deny just how incredibly impressive her resume is

She has a resume full of prestigious positions and titles; however, I'm not all that impressed with her decision-making, accomplishments and leadership. She is certainly better than what is on the right at the moment though.

[Spurminator]

Whoa flashback to Bill beating Bush thanks to Ross grabbing 3rd party votes

I think the media landscape has changed significantly enough in the last 20 years to prevent this from happening. In 1992 people still got most of their news from the major networks, and those networks gave Perot a pretty fair platform with the other two candidates.

Political strategy wasn't a 24-hour conversation then. We didn't have FOX News, Drudge, etc. at that time. You can bet those guys will be on full blast discouraging conservatives from voting for Trump at the risk of helping the Democrats.

[boutons_deux]

Sounds bad, but she's infinitely better than any repug klown

[boutons_deux]

Dubya's team DESTROYED 1M. Emails, to shrugs

This is Clinton being witch hunted. For 25 years

[ElNono]

Shillary chances are directly connected to whoever is the GOP candidate. She will be the Dems ticket.

[Blake]

Shillary chances are directly connected to whoever is the GOP candidate. She will be the Dems ticket.

lol

Shill Bill Vol 2

[Blake]

She has a resume full of prestigious positions and titles; however, I'm not all that impressed with her decision-making, accomplishments and leadership. She is certainly better than what is on the right at the moment though.

I'm extremely impressed with her accomplishments. What decisions are you referring to tho

[DMX7]

I'm extremely impressed with her accomplishments. What decisions are you referring to tho

Some substantive (e.g., "yes" vote on the Iraq war)... and some more stylistic (e.g., not putting down this e-mail "scandal", "misspeaking" about the Bosnia sniper fire, giving the impression she is in the pocket of the banks by putting down the idea of reinstating Glass-Steagall, etc.)

[spurraider21]

The more people see and hear from HRC, the less they like her. Similar dynamic as 2008.
my favorite is when she said that she didnt want to get votes for being a woman, but wanted votes for the merits... and that one of her merits is being a woman

[ducks]

I can not believe the democrats
she is a legit candidate for their party

[spurraider21]

I can not believe the democrats
she is a legit candidate for their party
not as ridiculous as trump

[m>s]

Lel shillary even has a better chance than joe Biden yall dudes is crazy

[boutons_deux]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405339/-False-reports-of-Hillary-Clinton-investigation-just-keep-falling-apart?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[boutons_deux]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/doj-no-hillary-clinton-criminal-inquiry?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/07/hillary-vs-press-round-one-million-times-screws-scoop

[boutons_deux]

:lmao :lmao

[ducks]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405339/-False-reports-of-Hillary-Clinton-investigation-just-keep-falling-apart?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

amazing what $$$$$$$$ does to get the Clintons off
all that money for foundation goes to get them off the hook

[ducks]

if she can not use the proper computer as security of the state do u think she would as president

[ducks]

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/23/criminal-inquiry-sought-in-hillary-clintons-use-of-email.html

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Joe Biden will not excite Democratic voters.

You'd be surprised. He can connect much better than Hillary. Don't get me wrong, Hillary is a very strong candidate but she's not getting it done. Just a few months ago she was way ahead and now she's behind in 3 key states. Just saying.

[boutons_deux]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nyt-correction-hillary-clinton-emails?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Joe could get in the race.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/249084-chafee-bets-biden-will-run-for-president

[DMX7]

if she can not use the proper computer as security of the state do u think she would as president

Yeah, the level of scrutiny of the president is at a whole different level. Almost every move you make is recorded for the archives as president.

[boobie4three]

How does Hillary get away with saying this, when if a Repub would have said it, he or she would have been strung up by their balls or vagina, whatever the case may be.

Published on Jul 23, 2015


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmv6Vfrm9S0


“I mean, if we're honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear.”

[Blake]

What's the appropriate amount of uproar there?

[DarrinS]

How does Hillary get away with saying this, when if a Repub would have said it, he or she would have been strung up by their balls or vagina, whatever the case may be.

Published on Jul 23, 2015


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmv6Vfrm9S0


“I mean, if we're honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear.”


She gets a pass because she's a Democrat.

[Blake]

What's the pass for?

[JohnnyMarzetti]

What's the appropriate amount of uproar there?

She's saying that many whites fear blacks and thus their racism comes out. Take it in full context. Understand your uproar but probably because you one of those she describes.

[DarrinS]

What's the pass for?

What she said.

[Blake]

What she said.

Doesn't look like you're giving her a pass

[Blake]

She's saying that many whites fear blacks and thus their racism comes out. Take it in full context. Understand your uproar but probably because you one of those she describes.

I'm not in an uproar about it. I too get the context.

Stupid thing for her to say, but she's obviously referencing Treyvon

[JohnnyMarzetti]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/new-poll-shows-clinton-trailing-top-gopers-key-swing-states?cid=sm_fb_lastword


The poll found Florida Sen. Marco Rubio leading the former secretary of state by a margin of 46% to 38% in Colorado, 44% to 36% in Iowa, and 43% to 41% in Virginia. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush beats Clinton 41% to 36% in Colorado, 42% to 36% in Iowa, and 42% to 39% in Virginia. And Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker bests her with 47% to 38% in Colorado, 45% to 37% in Iowa, and 43% to 40% in Virginia.

Back in April, Quinnipiac found Clinton leading the majority of those same hypothetical contests. But the likely cause of that declining support may be more concerning to Clinton than the poll’s headline results – majorities in all three states said they believe Clinton is “not honest or trustworthy.”

[Winehole23]

pretty sure there are procedures in place for that by now. do you really think there aren't?

[JoeChalupa]

Hillary needs to step up her game for sure. If she thinks she is a shoe-in for the Democratic nomination she better think again.

[boutons_deux]

Hillary needs to step up her game for sure. If she thinks she is a shoe-in for the Democratic nomination she better think again.

She's a shoe-in for the Dem nomination, but yes she better get her ass in gear, even it is 15 months to the election. The slander, witch-hunting, lies about her from the Repugs, Fox, ALEC, SPN, right-wing hate media will get much worse, and stupid Americans are naive dupes for rightwing crap.

[Will Hunting]

Joe Biden comes from maybe the most corporate friendly state in the country which should tell you where his allegiances are. He'd be equally as bad as Shillary.

Martin O'Malley is the best candidate but he's gotten no support. Bernie Sanders loses way too many votes for being a Jewish socialist, while Hillary/Joe simply don't support good policies.

[JoeChalupa]

She's a shoe-in for the Dem nomination, but yes she better get her ass in gear, even it is 15 months to the election. The slander, witch-hunting, lies about her from the Repugs, Fox, ALEC, SPN, right-wing hate media will get much worse, and stupid Americans are naive dupes for rightwing crap.

Hillary thought she was a shoe-in in '08. It isn't only FoxNews and the right-wing media reporting her being down in the polls and her trust approval taking a dive. She doesn't connect well with voters and that is going to be challenge for her.

[JoeChalupa]

I'd support Joe Biden but then again I've always liked him.

[boutons_deux]

This is why Hillary’s losing: The issue Jeb Bush and Donald Trump understand, which may keep Clinton from the White House


Her negatives are almost as bad as Trump's. She's not trusted, and losing swing states. Start talking about reform!


Government corruption is perhaps the central issue of the 2016 campaign because it’s the biggest problem facing our country. It’s the reason other problems never get solved. Corruption, not the chimera we call partisan gridlock, is what makes our government so inefficient and ineffectual and our politics so empty and vicious. It’s why an ever more cynical public has fled the civic life of the nation. It’s also why Democrats lose elections, though you wouldn’t know it to talk to one.


In his stupefyingly clueless opinion in Citizens United, Justice Anthony Kennedy distinguished between ‘hard’ and ‘soft’ corruption. The former is mostly bribery and happens when any public official accepts any sort of personal payment for any official act. The latter occurs when the same guy deposits the money in a campaign account rather than his wallet and never admits the transaction’s true nature even to himself, or simply acts in the unspoken hope of future, unspecified reward. While citing no proof—there’s none to be found in the pleadings or anywhere else–Kennedy said soft corruption does no harm — and anyway no one cares about it. In real life it does the most harm of any form of corruption, and almost everyone cares deeply about it.

As I’ve written here before, the country agrees with Democrats on nearly every issue now under debate — and by margins often exceeding 60/40. The list includes not just progressive economic policies like a minimum wage and paid family leave, but climate change, gun safety, gay marriage, the lifting of the Cuban embargo, all of the president’s immigration reforms, every tax proposal and nearly every budget priority. We say we’re polarized, but on these big issues we’re as near to consensus as we ever get. Voters who agree with Democrats vote Republican because of their fury at the condition of their government. Democrats are the party of government. If the Democrats won’t fix the government, voters won’t let them near it.


http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/this_is_why_hillarys_losing_the_issue_jeb_bush_and _donald_trump_understand_which_may_keep_clinton_fr om_the_white_house/

[Aztecfan03]

Joe Biden will not excite Democratic voters.
I,as a republican, would be excited, because that would be an easy victory.

[Aztecfan03]

I'll admit, there's something about Hillary that when she speaks, it just grates on me like nails on a chalkboard.

But nobody can deny just how incredibly impressive her resume is
normally, or when she tries to do a southern accent when she is speaking in the south? or all the time no matter what accent?

[Will Hunting]

I,as a republican, would be excited, because that would be an easy victory.

It would be less easy than Shillary. Joe Biden at least shows, albeit at a very superficial level, a likeable personality. That kind of pointless bullshit is what Americans care about. Biden is a classic example of that dumb-as-a-brick politician who wins because plumbers and construction workers look at him as someone they, "Wanna have a beer with!". Hilary Clinton gives the vibe of an elitist cunt.

[boutons_deux]

Hilary's problem is that she doesn't have an authentic bone in her body. It's all passionless, cool, calculated scripted.

Hilarious that JEB, who has lived, grubbed, very well off his name, esp after leaving office, rails against corruption, soft or hard. :lol

and Trump, born on 3rd base and congratulating himself that he has hit homer, is an honorable, honest man, championing the 99%? :lol

[unleashbaynes]

Fuck all of these shitty candidates.

[Will Hunting]

Hilary's problem is that she doesn't have an authentic bone in her body. It's all passionless, cool, calculated scripted.

Hilarious that JEB, who has lived, grubbed, very well off his name, esp after leaving office, rails against corruption, soft or hard. :lol

and Trump, born on 3rd base and congratulating himself that he has hit homer, is an honorable, honest man, championing the 99%? :lol

Bill is the same way, the difference is Bill was a pro at appearing like he was an honest, passionate advocate for the working man. Hillary isn't nearly charismatic enough to hide the fact she's not athentic or passionless.

Trump is anything but honorable or honest, but Americans equate stupidity and poor speaking skills with honor and honestly. Same reason people thought W was a blue collar rancher who cared about the middle class.

[boutons_deux]

Fuck all of these shitty candidates.

Bernie doesn't deserve fucking, but all the rest do. iow, America is fucked and unfuckable, due to the 100% corruption of the politicians by BigCorp, 1%, capitalists.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ohio Governor Kasich get the nomination if the GOP gets their act together. He can beat Hillary as he knows how to reach across the aisle.

[Winehole23]

How does Hillary get away with saying this, when if a Repub would have said it, he or she would have been strung up by their balls or vagina, whatever the case may be.


“I mean, if we're honest, for a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear.”HRC acknowledges white privilege and the existence of racism; the statement you highlighted underscores that. Not sure how you could be confused -- context matters.

[boutons_deux]

HRC acknowledges white privilege and the existence of racism; the statement you highlighted underscores that. Not sure how you could be confused -- context matters.

wasn't (pre-rape) Bill Cosby, or Jesse Jackson, or some black leader, who made exactly the same comment, about be terrified that young black(s) was walking behind him?

[Winehole23]

Jesse Jackson, as I recall.

[Winehole23]

1994:


Perhaps inadvertently, Jesse Jackson gave credence to the view in November when he observed at Operation PUSH in Chicago that "there is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps, and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see someone white, and feel relieved."http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-01-24/news/1994024125_1_black-on-black-crime-black-people-black-community

[boobie4three]

HRC acknowledges white privilege and the existence of racism; the statement you highlighted underscores that. Not sure how you could be confused -- context matters.

Two questions: 1. Can the fear she's referring to really be attributed to inherent racism, or is it maybe the real fact that the percentage of crimes committed by young black men far exceeds that of young white men?
2. If a white conservative had said the same thing as Hillary, wouldn't he or she be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail?
Just wondering.

[Blake]

Two questions: 1. Can the fear she's referring to really be attributed to inherent racism, or is it maybe the real fact that the percentage of crimes committed by young black men far exceeds that of young white men?
2. If a white conservative had said the same thing as Hillary, wouldn't he or she be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail?
Just wondering.

1. You need some sources to back that up
2. If the context is the same then no

[boobie4three]

1. You need some sources to back that up
2. If the context is the same then no

1. I don't suppose we could just accept that as a given, could we? I'm watching golf and not feeling like doing a whole lot of work on this topic.
2. I think they would at least be horsewhipped.

[boobie4three]

1. You need some sources to back that up
2. If the context is the same then no

OK, I'm accused of a lot of things, but I don't want to be accused of being a lazy ass.

Population figures by race:

White alone, percent, 2013 .....................................77.7%
Black or African American alone, percent, 2013 ..........13.2%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html


Arrests by race 2012

...................Total................White..... .......Black..............Total %...........White..............Black
TOTAL...........9,390,473........6,502,919......2, 640,067........100.0...............69.3 %............28.1%

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

[ChumpDumper]

Two questions: 1. Can the fear she's referring to really be attributed to inherent racism, or is it maybe the real fact that the percentage of crimes committed by young black men far exceeds that of young white men?But if the total is higher for white men, shouldn't one be just as afraid of those?

2. If a white conservative had said the same thing as Hillary, wouldn't he or she be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail?
Just wondering.No white conservative would ever admit to being afraid of a black person. They just want other conservatives to be afraid of them. And they wouldn't admit it either.

[boobie4three]

But if the total is higher for white men, shouldn't one be just as afraid of those?
No white conservative would ever admit to being afraid of a black person. They just want other conservatives to be afraid of them. And they wouldn't admit it either.

What I gather from the data I provided, a black person is twice as likely to commit a crime as a white person. Am I right?

[ChumpDumper]

What I gather from the data I provided, a black person is twice as likely to commit a crime as a white person. Am I right?What kind of crime?

Should I be afraid of a black person holding a joint? I'm sure they are arrested for that.

[boobie4three]

What kind of crime?

Should I be afraid of a black person holding a joint? I'm sure they are arrested for that.

Being afraid is up to the individual, but the FBI link I provided breaks the arrests down into their respective crimes.

[ChumpDumper]

Ultimately what is the breakdown here.

Out of 100 black people I see, how many should I fear and which ones?

Out of 100 white people I see, how many should I fear and which ones?

[ChumpDumper]

Being afraid is up to the individual, but the FBI link I provided breaks the arrests down into their respective crimes.So I shouldn't fear anyone?

Help me out here. You're obviously telling me to fear blacks more, just tell me how much to fear each. Give me your formula.

[boobie4three]

So I shouldn't fear anyone?

Help me out here. You're obviously telling me to fear blacks more, just tell me how much to fear each. Give me your formula.

I'm just telling you what the data shows. It's up to you to decide if there's a chance of you becoming a crime victim. If you think the chances are good, I suggest you apply for a Concealed Carry Permit from your local Sheriff's Dept. Research what type of firearm you would like to carry and purchase said firearm. Take a firearm safety course and a Concealed Carry course in your area.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just telling you what the data shows. It's up to you to decide if there's a chance of you becoming a crime victim. If you think the chances are good, I suggest you apply for a Concealed Carry Permit from your local Sheriff's Dept. Research what type of firearm you would like to carry and purchase said firearm. Take a firearm safety course and a Concealed Carry course in your area.Tell me which people fill you with the most fear. Then go in descending order from there.

[boobie4three]

Tell me which people fill you with the most fear. Then go in descending order from there.

You don't have to be afraid of anyone as long as you're aware of your surroundings, stay away from crime ridden areas, and try to be as prepared as possible. If that means carrying a weapon, so be it.

If you don't think much of these suggestions, you only have yourself to blame if you become a crime victim.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't have to be afraid of anyone as long as you're aware of your surroundings, stay away from crime ridden areas, and try to be as prepared as possible. If that means carrying a weapon, so be it.

If you don't think much of these suggestions, you only have yourself to blame if you become a crime victim.So you're not afraid of any person at all? Just areas?

Why were you spending all that time talking about people?

[m>s]

OK, I'm accused of a lot of things, but I don't want to be accused of being a lazy ass.

Population figures by race:

White alone, percent, 2013 .....................................77.7%
Black or African American alone, percent, 2013 ..........13.2%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html


Arrests by race 2012

...................Total................White..... .......Black..............Total %...........White..............Black
TOTAL...........9,390,473........6,502,919......2, 640,067........100.0...............69.3 %............28.1%

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf
Hispanics count as white in government statistics for some weird reason, non Hispanic whites are about 62% and the crimes for us are way less than that also.

[boobie4three]

So you're not afraid of any person at all? Just areas?

Why were you spending all that time talking about people?

You're getting a little nonsensical chump.

[ChumpDumper]

You're getting a little nonsensical chump.So what areas do you fear the most?

[m>s]

So what areas do you fear the most?
https://archive.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/76/1385769490104.gif

Hey boobie just ignore him and keep posting about what you were, this guy is a professional paid shill and his reaction means he doesn't like what you are bringing to light

[ChumpDumper]

https://archive.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1385/76/1385769490104.gif

Hey boobie just ignore him and keep posting about what you were, this guy is a professional paid shill and his reaction means he doesn't like what you are bringing to lightMaybe you can take some more time out from your "family" responsibilities and tell us which people and what areas you fear the most.

boobie seems a little reluctant for some reason.

[m>s]

Aww did I rustle shlomos jimmies :cry

[ChumpDumper]

Aww did I rustle shlomos jimmies :cryYou're the one who has been stonewalling for a full day, :cry family man :cry

[JohnnyMarzetti]

She'll win though.

[m>s]

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1437962454036.jpg

[Hillary]

And it aways be...but it can also be between two loving adults as well. Doesn't change the former.

[Fabbs]

Whoa flashback to Bill beating Bush thanks to Ross grabbing 3rd party votes
The debate.
Hypocrite Bush "you have no experience in politics" -paraphrasing.
Ross: "I have no experience running up a national debt, that's true."

It was such a good STFU to that douche bag.

[JoeChalupa]

Dodging questions on the Keystone pipeline isn't helping. Answer the damn questions if you want to improve your trustworthiness.

[Wild Cobra]

Now with her possibly being investigated for criminal offenses due to her email fiasco and losing major ground to the GOP candidates. Her trustworthiness is at an all time low and demeanor is lackluster at best. Obama showed her weakness in public appearances and lack of answering questions is making her look more and like a weak candidate against any GOP force. Time for Joe Biden to get in the race. He's very popular and has been a strong VP. Bernie simply doesn't have that presidential look that is necessary in today's world.

Biden...

LOL...

That would be a sure win for the GOP unless they put a Joker in too.

[Wild Cobra]

I can not believe the democrats
she is a legit candidate for their party
I agree, considering how stupid most voters are.

[Wild Cobra]

Hillary needs to step up her game for sure. If she thinks she is a shoe-in for the Democratic nomination she better think again.

Who might have a better chance?

Most registered democrats are rather stupid. They love the nice sounding sound bites, and never follow the real facts.

Liberal:


It's a woman's turn to be president.

What else do they need?

[boutons_deux]

http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/biden_0.jpg?itok=CX1URgw-

[Big Dog]

Who might have a better chance?

Most registered democrats are rather stupid. They love the nice sounding sound bites, and never follow the real facts.

Liberal:

It's a woman's turn to be president.

What else do they need?
Well for starters, Bernie Sanders is a sexy choice. Both candidates are rats, though. With the feminazi wave alone Shillary will get the nomination surely.

[Wild Cobra]

http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/biden_0.jpg?itok=CX1URgw-

LOL...

I understand. He's your speed...

[ChumpDumper]

Biden...

LOL...

That would be a sure win for the GOP unless they put a Joker in too.http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA3LzIzLzEzL3RydW1wX2hhdC5iZjU5YS5qcGcKcA l0aHVtYgk5NTB4NTM0IwplCWpwZw/41e36a84/749/trump_hat.jpg


I agree, considering how stupid most voters are.http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA3LzIzLzEzL3RydW1wX2hhdC5iZjU5YS5qcGcKcA l0aHVtYgk5NTB4NTM0IwplCWpwZw/41e36a84/749/trump_hat.jpg


Who might have a better chance?

Most registered democrats are rather stupid. They love the nice sounding sound bites, and never follow the real facts.

Liberal:



What else do they need?http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA3LzIzLzEzL3RydW1wX2hhdC5iZjU5YS5qcGcKcA l0aHVtYgk5NTB4NTM0IwplCWpwZw/41e36a84/749/trump_hat.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Well for starters, Bernie Sanders is a sexy choice. Both candidates are rats, though. With the feminazi wave alone Shillary will get the nomination surely.

If he makes it in the primaries.

I might even vote for him (against a RINO) if he gets nominated. At least we would have some integrity in the oval office.

[z0sa]

More like, Hillary is major trouble. Just like every other current candidate, left or right.

[DMX7]

If Hillary's campaign falls apart at some point, Biden would be a good alternative. I would be ok with him.

[TeyshaBlue]

Biden would be stronger than you think.

[baseline bum]

Clinton vs Walker would be the shittiest election in US history.

[TeyshaBlue]

Could be worse....bring back McCain/Palin for comedic value.

[baseline bum]

Could be worse....bring back McCain/Palin for comedic value.

Or even worse Paul Ryan.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao

[Winehole23]

Friday news dump:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/clinton-releases-tax-medical-records-emails-made-public-32821312

[JohnnyMarzetti]

She is not making ground. Time to, step up your game, if she keep stalling she'll lose her chance.

[boutons_deux]

‘Criminal Referral’ Smear: What Trey Gowdy Knew — And When He Knew It

Suspicion grows that the leaks behind the bungled New York Times “criminal referral” story came from the Republican side of the House Select Committee on Benghazi chaired by Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC).

First Times public editor Margaret Sullivan hinted (http://www.nationalmemo.com/criminal-mischief-did-a-government-official-smear-hillary-clinton/)that the original “tip” came from “Capitol Hill.” Over the weekend, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD), ranking Democrat on the select committee, revealed proof that Gowdy knew of the (utterly non-criminal) referrals by the inspectors general for the intelligence community and the State Department to the Justice Department, in advance.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/criminal-referral-smear-what-trey-gowdy-knew-and-when-he-knew-it/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=MM_frequency_six&utm_campaign=Morning%20Memo%20-%202015-08-04&utm_content=Final

[JohnnyMarzetti]

It is clear that the GOP strategy is to go after Hillary with a full frontal attack. Their base will get fired up for sure.

[Pelicans78]

Hillary losing the primary would be a disaster for the Democratic party.

[hater]

http://www.youngcons.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/hillary-clinton-sign.jpg

:lol

[SpursforSix]

Her best bet at this point is to get pregnant and campaign on shooting out a legion of demon babies to help run things

[hater]

Stick a fork.in her fellas:

"Clinton to hand over her email servers and backups to federals. Just classified as too secret"

[in2deep]

Krauthammer on Clinton email revelations: 'Nothing she says ever is true three weeks later'

[CosmicCowboy]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/17600000/bill-and-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-17640679-368-294.jpg
Can I date openly if you go to prison?

[boutons_deux]

After Banning Trump For Sexism, Erick Erickson's RedState Calls Clinton A "Homely Woman" Who Slept "Her Way Into Power"

"If Hillary Clinton possesses any unique selling propostion beyond proving even a homely woman can sleep her way into power, it is her tenure as Barack Obama's secretary of state.

That seems to be a slender enough reed when polls show the electorate could give a flying rat's patootie about experience and favor a change agent above all."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/12/after-banning-trump-for-sexism-erick-ericksons/204902

[boutons_deux]

"There's a lot of misinformation, so bear with us; the truth matters on this.

Here are the basics: Like other Secretaries of State who served before her, Hillary used a personal email address, and the rules of the State Department permitted it. She's already acknowledged that, in hindsight, it would have been better just to use separate work and personal email accounts. No one disputes that.

The State Department's request: Last year, as part of a review of its records, the State Department asked the last four former Secretaries of State to provide any work-related emails they had. Hillary was the only former Secretary of State to provide any materials -- more than 30,000 emails. In fact, she handed over too many -- the Department said it will be returning over 1,200 messages to her because, in their and the National Archives' judgment, these messages were completely personal in nature.

Hillary didn't send any classified materials over email: Hillary only used her personal account for unclassified email. No information in her emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them. She viewed classified materials in hard copy in her office or via other secure means while traveling, not on email.

What makes it complicated: It's common for information previously considered unclassified to be upgraded to classified before being publicly released. Some emails that weren't secret at the time she sent or received them might be secret now. And sometimes government agencies disagree about what should be classified, so it isn't surprising that another agency might want to conduct its own review, even though the State Department has repeatedly confirmed that Hillary's emails contained no classified information at the time she sent or received them.

To be clear, there is absolutely no criminal inquiry into Hillary's email or email server. Any and all reports to that effect have been widely debunked. Hillary directed her team to provide her email server and a thumb drive in order to cooperate with the review process and to ensure these materials were stored in a safe and secure manner.

What about the Benghazi committee? While you may hear from the Republican-led Benghazi committee about Hillary's emails, it is important to remember that the committee was formed to focus on learning lessons from Benghazi to help prevent future tragedies at our embassies and consulates around the globe. Instead, the committee, led by Republican Representative Trey Gowdy, is spending nearly $6 million in taxpayer money to conduct a partisan witch-hunt designed to do political damage to Hillary in the run-up to the election.

Hillary has remained absolutely committed to cooperating. That's why, just as she gave her email server to the government, she's also testifying before the Benghazi committee in October and is actively working with the Justice Department to make sure they have what they need. She hopes that her emails will continue to be released in a timely fashion.

It's worth noting: Many of the Republican candidates for president have done the same things for which they're now criticizing Hillary. As governor, Jeb Bush owned his own private server and his staff decided which emails he turned over as work-related from his private account. Bobby Jindal went a step further, using private email to communicate with his immediate staff but refusing to release his work-related emails. Scott Walker and Rick Perry had email issues themselves.

The bottom line: Look, Len, this kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president. We know it, Hillary knows it, and we expect it to continue from now until Election Day.

It's okay. We'll be ready. We have the facts, our principles, and you on our side. And it's vital that you read and absorb the real story so that you know what to say the next time you hear about this around the dinner table or the water cooler.

Take a look at more details here, including a complete Q&A, and pass them along:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/email-facts/ (http://links.hillaryclinton.com/ctt?kn=1&ms=MjMyNTIxMzMS1&r=MTI2MzAxNTYxNjM5S0&b=0&j=NjIxMTYyMjU0S0&mt=1&rt=0)

Thanks,

Jennifer

Jennifer Palmieri
Communications Director
Hillary for America"

[boutons_deux]

State Dept. Disagrees That Clinton E-mails Contained Classified Information


While some (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/12/1411268/-Classified-E-mail-in-the-News-Again-This-Time-Hillary-s) will claim that:


. It is not in dispute that her cache of 30,000 e-mails contained classified documents from as many as five U.S. intelligence agencies.

This claim would be false. For one the State Department disputes it (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-11/hillary-clinton-instructs-aides-to-hand-over-e-mail-server-to-justice-department):


In a statement Tuesday, State Department spokesperson John Kirby noted that the two e-mails determined to have contained top secret material were "not marked as classified" when they were sent between State Department employees and ultimately forwarded to Clinton.

The two e-mails, from 2009 and 2011, were identified before they were made public as part of the department's monthly releases of Clinton e-mails. "While we work with the Director of National Intelligence to resolve whether, in fact, this material is actually classified, we are taking steps to ensure the information is protected and stored appropriately, Kirby said. [My emphasis]


To be clear, the State Department has already stated that is disagrees with the IC IG on this. I covered these points in a previous diary (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/25/1405623/-About-that-classified-info-in-the-Clinton-e-mails). The upshot was State disagreed with the IC regarding whether the information was in fact classified, even NOW.

This is an intergovernment agency food fight. All of this is in dispute. What's not in dispute is that the information was not marked classified when received by Clinton. (It now seems clear she never sent the information, just received it.)

As Clinton said: "“What I think you’re seeing here is a very typical kind of discussion—to some extent disagreement—among various parts of the government over what should or should not be publicly released."
The story has not changed. That's still what it is.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2015/8/12/10342/8921/Election16/State-Dept-Disagrees-That-Clinton-E-mails-Contained-Classified-Information

[SpursforSix]

"There's a lot of misinformation, so bear with us; the truth matters on this.


The bottom line: Look, Len, this kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president. We know it, Hillary knows it, and we expect it to continue from now until Election Day.

It's okay. We'll be ready. We have the facts, our principles, and you on our side. And it's vital that you read and absorb the real story so that you know what to say the next time you hear about this around the dinner table or the water cooler.

Take a look at more details here, including a complete Q&A, and pass them along:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/email-facts/ (http://links.hillaryclinton.com/ctt?kn=1&ms=MjMyNTIxMzMS1&r=MTI2MzAxNTYxNjM5S0&b=0&j=NjIxMTYyMjU0S0&mt=1&rt=0)

Thanks,

Jennifer

Jennifer Palmieri
Communications Director
Hillary for America"




Sure. If you don't trust someone, all you need to do is ask someone that works for them. They'll give you the full story.

[boutons_deux]

Sure. If you don't trust someone, all you need to do is ask someone that works for them. They'll give you the full story.

you're sucking down Repug lies and slander as God's Own Word.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao


Hilary For America :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[SpursforSix]

you're sucking down Repug lies and slander as God's Own Word.

not me. You're the one fantasizing about living in a world run by a Hilary robot where windkills dot the landscape and the government provides food and sundries to the masses while no one does any real work.

[CosmicCowboy]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A day after Hillary Rodham Clinton turned her personal email server over to the Justice Department, her campaign assured supporters that the Democratic presidential candidate did not send classified information over her private account.

In a message sent to campaign backers, communications director Jen Palmieri dismissed inquires by Congress and federal agencies into Clinton's use of a private account while she was secretary of state as partisan attacks "designed to do political damage to Hillary in the run-up to the election." Palmieri stressed that Clinton is not facing a criminal investigation and said she remains "committed to cooperating" with federal investigations into her private account.

"The bottom line: This kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president," Palmieri wrote. "We know it, Hillary knows it, and we expect it to continue from now until Election Day."

Federal investigators have begun looking into the security of Clinton's email setup after the inspector general of the U.S. intelligence agencies said that classified information may have passed through the system. There is no evidence she used encryption to prevent prying eyes from accessing the emails or her personal server.

Two emails that traversed Clinton's personal system contained information that had been designated "top secret" and "sensitive compartmented information," one of the government's highest classification ratings, U.S. officials said.

The campaign's missive seemed aimed not only at making public Clinton's side of the email story but also arming backers with talking points to defend her from further Republican attacks. GOP officials and candidates have said the newest revelations point to Clinton malfeasance as secretary of state.

"This is something that isn't just a matter of her not being able to tell the truth," said Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican presidential candidate, on Wednesday. "This is something that has put national security at risk and highly questions her ability to be the commander in chief of the United States."

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said: "All this means is that Hillary Clinton, in the face of FBI scrutiny, has decided she has run out of options. She knows she did something wrong and has run out of ways to cover it up."

For months Clinton refused calls to give up the home-brew email server she used in her suburban New York City home to send and store email through a private account. She has defended her use of the server, saying she used it as a matter of convenience to limit the number of electronic devices she had to carry. She has said the server account never held classified information.

Officials are investigating whether classified information was improperly sent, though it's not clear if the device will yield any information. Her attorney said in March that no emails from the main personal address she used while secretary of state are on the server or backup systems associated with it.

In March, Clinton said she exchanged about 60,000 emails in her four years in the Obama administration, about half of which were personal and were discarded. She turned over the other half to the State Department last December. The department is reviewing those emails and has begun the process of releasing them to the public.

On Tuesday, Clinton attorney David Kendall gave to the Justice Department three thumb drives containing copies of work-related emails sent to and from her personal email addresses via her private server.

Kendall gave the thumb drives, containing copies of roughly 30,000 emails, to the FBI after the agency determined he could not remain in possession of the classified information contained in some of the emails, according to a U.S. official briefed on the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly. The State Department previously had said it was comfortable with Kendall keeping the emails at his Washington law office.

Also Tuesday, Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa said two emails that traversed Clinton's personal system were deemed "Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information" - a rating that is among the government's highest classifications. Grassley said the inspector general of the nation's intelligence community had reported the new details about the higher classification to Congress on Tuesday.

Those two emails were among four that had previously been determined by the inspector general of the intelligence community to have been classified at the time they were sent. The State Department disputes that the emails were classified at that time.

"Department employees circulated these emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011 and ultimately some were forwarded to Secretary Clinton," said State Department spokesman John Kirby. "They were not marked as classified."

The inspector general for the intelligence community had told Congress that potentially hundreds of emails containing classified information are among the cache that Clinton provided to the State Department.

Earlier this week, Clinton said in a sworn statement submitted to a federal judge that she has turned over to the State Department all emails from the server "that were or potentially were federal records." The statement, which carries her signature and was signed under penalty of perjury, echoed months of Clinton's past public statements about the matter.

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[CosmicCowboy]

And these are the ones she turned over...no telling what was in the 30,000 she destroyed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/email-facts/ (http://links.hillaryclinton.com/ctt?kn=1&ms=MjMyNTIxMzMS1&r=MTI2MzAxNTYxNjM5S0&b=0&j=NjIxMTYyMjU0S0&mt=1&rt=0)








:lol

[boutons_deux]

And these are the ones she turned over...no telling what was in the 30,000 she destroyed.

dubya's WH used private email service and DESTROYED Ms of emails.

[SpursforSix]

dubya's WH used private email service and DESTROYED Ms of emails.

LOL. Resorting to defending Hillary by comparing her to Bush. Is that where you set the bar?

[CosmicCowboy]

dubya's WH used private email service and DESTROYED Ms of emails.

And you despise Dubya and love Shillary.

[boutons_deux]

LOL. Resorting to defending Hillary by comparing her to Bush. Is that where you set the bar?

You Lie

I'm pointing out that when Repugs and you rightwingnut commit crimes, Repug ignore it. When Dems do even less (or do nothing wrong), Repug fabricate outrage.

[SpursforSix]

You Lie

I'm pointing out that when Repugs and you rightwingnut commit crimes, Repug ignore it. When Dems do even less (or do nothing wrong), Repug fabricate outrage.

LOL at me being a rightwing nut. Ok...show me where I ignored it when Bush destroyed his emails. Or even where I said anything positive about Bush.

[CosmicCowboy]

Boutons is like a zoo monkey that indiscriminately throws shit at everyone.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Shit_b45621_2851629.gif

[boutons_deux]

Boutons is like a zoo monkey that indiscriminately throws shit at everyone.



You Lie (per rightwingnut-itude)

I throw shit a you rightwingnut and Repugs

[boutons_deux]

And you despise Dubya and love Shillary.

You Lie

I despise war criminal dubya, dickhead, and their entire operation.

I really don't like Hillary, but she's tons better than any Repug Klown.

[boutons_deux]

The Hillary Clinton Email Saga: Still No There There


As Steve Benen points out, Clinton isn't the first Secretary of State to use a personal email account: (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/when-the-shoe-was-the-other-foot)


Politico published this report in March: "Like Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account during his tenure at the State Department, an aide confirmed in a statement."....MSNBC’s Alex Seitz-Wald added at the time: "....Powell, who served from 2001-2005, apparently did not keep a record of personal emails, unlike Clinton."

As best as I can tell, no one ever cared about the Republican secretary of state using a personal email account. It was, to borrow a phrase, a non-story.


Jeb Bush also used a personal account (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/jeb-bush-emails-key-episodes-mia) when he was governor of Florida. And he held onto those emails for seven years before he finally made them public. What's more, it's clear that, like Clinton, he decided which emails to release and which to hold back. "Gov. Bush does not have a plan to release his personal e-mails not related to state business," an aide said in March. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/03/03/jeb-bush-pounces-on-hillary-clintons-e-mail-woes-but-hes-not-perfect-either/) That sounds awfully similar to what Clinton has said about her email archive.

Nobody cares about Powell because he's not running for president. Nobody cares about Jeb Bush because....actually, I'm not sure why nobody cares about Bush. The governor of Florida doesn't handle classified intel, but if that were the big difference then Powell would be under scrutiny too.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/hillary-clinton-email-saga-still-no-there-there

[CosmicCowboy]

Hillary is being investigated by a DEMOCRAT controlled justice department.

Own that shit, boutons!

[CosmicCowboy]

Your hero Obama is gonna give Bill and Hillary a big FUCK YOU.

[ChumpDumper]

CC is really excited.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC is really excited.

just stating facts chump.

[ChumpDumper]

just stating facts chump.No you aren't just stating facts.
But you are excited.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm just being realistic. Whether you admit it or not, Hillary is in trouble.

Like Watergate, the issue will not come down to the burglary/private email server. The issue will be the cover up.

There were apparently top secret emails on the server that were apparently scrubbed of their top secret designation before they were turned over. Specifically (released so far) there were satellite images from the NSA which are ALL classified top secret on the server where the top secret designation had apparently been changed. Now that the FBI has the server some very smart guys will be figuring out what was erased and deleted from the server and who did it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Even Boutons favorite source, (DailyKos) is worried...

If anyone can shovel right-wing bullshit while giving it a shiny journalism-like luster, it's Ron Fournier. He's so, so sad about the world of hurt he and his ilk are getting ready to drop on Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server while she was Secretary of State:

We learned Tuesday night:
—She will give the FBI a private, illicit server that housed her official email during her four years as secretary of State, including thousands that she covertly deleted.

—Her attorney will give agents a thumb drive containing copies of the self-selected emails she returned to the State Department after discovery of the rogue server.

—A top intelligence official reviewing just a handful of those emails told Congress that top-secret information had been contained in two emails that passed across the server.

Aside from the fact that there was nothing illicit about having such a server and that it would be up to the SOS what to save or delete of her emails in any case, a pithy summary of the latest revelations.
Now Hillary may or may not be in trouble over whether some retroactively classified material ended up among her emails. It may be a case of bureaucratic infighting over control of classification of information in her archived emails. It may be a more serious case of careless handling by her of classified information. Whatever it is, it's a problem she created for herself by taking on responsibility for properly protecting that information, when she could have left it in the hands of the State Department.

But what really struck me about Fournier's take on it is his barely restrained glee about what this will give her enemies -- potentially a trove of data they can troll through endlessly, spinning out controversies and scandals and fantastic conspiracy theories without end:

If the FBI is able to recover deleted email from her server, it's almost certain that more classified documents will be discovered (given what has already been found in the tiny sample size). That would raise more questions about her judgment.
Furthermore, a thorough autopsy of the deleted email might lead to details about other embarrassing topics, such as Benghazi (a GOP fetish), or the intersection of Clinton Foundation donors and State Department business ("Follow the money," a Democrat close to Clinton told me in March). Though this is pure speculation, her closest allies worry about what might be found.

If the deleted emails can't be recovered, Clinton will never be able to clear her name.

Did you get that? Even if there's nothing there, she'll still never be able to clear her name.
Look, I know the right-wing propaganda-meisters will always conjure up something to keep their Clinton scandal factory pumping away at full steam, no matter what. But this is relatively fresh BS, far more tasty for the reading and viewing public than those old and tired scandals cooked up during the Clinton White House years.

I want multiple strong Democratic candidates competing with each other to offer the best policies and the best political strategies to bring them to reality.

But I just wonder, how can any primary or GE candidate hope to run successfully with this kind of tornado shaping up around them?

I really am appalled. Sanders is a terrific guy, but we all have to know he's a long-shot. I don't want a President Trump. Even writing those last two words makes me feel unwell.

Anybody have any cheery thoughts to offer? I need some.

[hater]

Stick a fork.in her fellas:

"Clinton to hand over her email servers and backups to federals. Just classified as too secret"

I called this days ago fellas. About time you all catch up :rolleyes

She's done. Democrats are done.

[JoeChalupa]

Anyone who doesn't see this as a major blow to Hilliary is being dilusional. I admit, while she's better than any GOP candidate for sure, my support for her is diminishing due to simply not connecting with me and millions of others. Her refusing to answer questions, the server issue and her basically seeming a little shady is hurting her. Hurting her badly. She needs to get on the Sunday morning talk shows and get her message out there. I truly don't see Bernie winning a general election. If Hillary continues this current downward trend I look for Joe to enter the race. Yeah, he puts his foot in his mouth from time to time but he is highly admired by democrats and even by many in Congress.

[hater]

:lmao Biden is unelectable

If he's the democrats backup plan. :lol holy shit democrats are in for a world.of hurt :lol

[SpursforSix]

Anyone who doesn't see this as a major blow to Hilliary is being dilusional. I admit, while she's better than any GOP candidate for sure, my support for her is diminishing due to simply not connecting with me and millions of others. Her refusing to answer questions, the server issue and her basically seeming a little shady is hurting her. Hurting her badly. She needs to get on the Sunday morning talk shows and get her message out there. I truly don't see Bernie winning a general election. If Hillary continues this current downward trend I look for Joe to enter the race. Yeah, he puts his foot in his mouth from time to time but he is highly admired by democrats and even by many in Congress.

I'm happy not to have her in the white house but the reaction from the right seems misguided. "yeah...Hilllary had top secret information on her server and also in her emails!".
No telling what countries may have this information now.

[hater]

:lmao event the most ardent Democrat posters dislike Shillary :lol

She's doomed :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just being realistic. Whether you admit it or not, Hillary is in trouble.

Like Watergate, the issue will not come down to the burglary/private email server. The issue will be the cover up.

There were apparently top secret emails on the server that were apparently scrubbed of their top secret designation before they were turned over. Specifically (released so far) there were satellite images from the NSA which are ALL classified top secret on the server where the top secret designation had apparently been changed. Now that the FBI has the server some very smart guys will be figuring out what was erased and deleted from the server and who did it.:lol "like Watergate"

You are very excited.

So what about all the potentially classified emails that were potentially on private servers before the rules were put into place?

Are you at all concerned about those?

No, you aren't.

That doesn't excite you.

[CosmicCowboy]

You are just plain stupid if you think this doesn't hurt Hillary.

I'm just stating facts.

Not sure why you are so "excited" about me stating facts.

[ChumpDumper]

You are just plain stupid if you think this doesn't hurt Hillary.Who said it wouldn't?


I'm just stating facts.

Not sure why you are so "excited" about me stating facts.You aren't just stating facts.

You are excited.

Just admit it. You look really stupid denying it.

You certainly aren't excited about all the private servers that existed before Hillary's.

[boutons_deux]

Because they were Repugs, mail shit didn't hurt dubya's White House, didn't hurt Colin Powell, nor any number of other politicians who ran govt mail off govt servers.

This fabricated outrage by the Repugs, since they REFUSE to go head-to-head campaign with Dems on policy.

Acorn!

Benghazi!

Planned Parenthood!

etc, etc, etc.

ALL Repug BULLSHIT, NO Repug governance.

btw, Hillary murdered Vince Foster, too.

[Splits]

If any average citizen were to have done what Hillary is accused of, they would immediately have all security clearances stripped during the investigation. I really really hope this brings her down. There are plenty of electable Dems who would throw their hat into the ring if she's out. And yes, Biden is electable Hater.

[hater]

:lmao no he's not. Retarded uncles are only electable by the GOP. Noone is going to stick their neck out for this clown.

Can u imagine president Biden at a G7 summit? :lmao he's a fucking walking talking comic book character :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

If any average citizen were to have done what Hillary is accused of, they would immediately have all security clearances stripped during the investigation. I really really hope this brings her down. There are plenty of electable Dems who would throw their hat into the ring if she's out. And yes, Biden is electable Hater.

Agreed. And it is amazing to see some of the people here still saying this isn't a big deal and trying to deflect for her.

The scary thing about all this is that if Obama wasn't after her all of this would have been swept under the rug. Looks like Obama is willing to tank his own party to bury the old kunt.

[JoeChalupa]

:lmao no he's not. Retarded uncles are only electable by the GOP. Noone is going to stick their neck out for this clown.

Can u imagine president Biden at a G7 summit? :lmao he's a fucking walking talking comic book character :lol

Biden would beat Trump and that is a fact and cannot be disputed.
He has a lot more respect than many realize.

[hater]

:lmao trump would absolutely destroy that clown. It would actually be sad to watch

[hater]

Oh and lol respect. What has this clown accomplished ever?

[JoeChalupa]

If voters are overlooking all of Trumps' faults and still have him leading in the polls what does that tell you? Do any of you GOP supporters really want him handling foreign policy? Or Cruz for that matter? Like it or not a successful business man, with 4 bankruptcies, does not make for a good POTUS. Dumbya is a prime example.

[JoeChalupa]

:lmao trump would absolutely destroy that clown. It would actually be sad to watch

What are you smoking? Bad scenario because we all know Trump has no chance what so ever of winning the GOP nomination. That being said, Biden would win Trump his ass.

[ChumpDumper]

If the polls are to believed -- Trump and his cult sure seem to believe them -- Trump loses to Clinton, Biden and Bernie in a general election.

[hater]

Trump would destroy Biden in the debates. Then stroll his way to the white house.

[hater]

If voters are overlooking all of Trumps' faults and still have him leading in the polls what does that tell you? Do any of you GOP supporters really want him handling foreign policy? Or Cruz for that matter? Like it or not a successful business man, with 4 bankruptcies, does not make for a good POTUS. Dumbya is a prime example.

Do you want Bidn handling foreign policy?? :lol wed get fucking killed

[hater]

They white house barely lets Biden do public apperances and when they do they sweat bullets :lmao

[JoeChalupa]

They white house barely lets Biden do public apperances and when they do they sweat bullets :lmao

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/0c/34/a70c344447fdb917d6806fc8e6c6b28e.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Fox & Friends Relies On Flawed Timeline In Attempt To Revive Baseless Attack On Clinton's iPad Use


Fox & Friends repeatedly hyped an old, flawed claim that Hillary Clinton's iPad use contradicts her previous statement that she established a personal email account to facilitate the use of a single mobile device. However, this speculation relies on a flawed timeline to ignore the fact that the iPad did not exist until the year after Clinton's personal email account was established.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/01/fox-amp-friends-relies-on-flawed-timeline-in-at/205300

Ailes thinks he's king maker and queen breaker.

Fuck Fox and all their lies that you rightwingnuts suck down as truth.

[CosmicCowboy]

Either way, Boo...are you really so stupid to think you can't have multiple email accounts on your phone? Hell, I have three on mine and I'm not the Secretary of State.

[boutons_deux]

Hey, CC, I got 3 on mine.

so far, and they looked at 10K msgs, NOTHING FOUND. you, Typcially, been suckered and duped by VRWC/Fox/Repug fabricated outrage.

[spurraider21]

Sources: Clinton email markings changed to hide classified info
At least four classified Hillary Clinton emails had their markings changed to a category that shields the content from Congress and the public...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/01/sources-clinton-email-markings-changed-to-hide-contents-shielding-extent/

[CosmicCowboy]

Hey, CC, I got 3 on mine.

so far, and they looked at 10K msgs, NOTHING FOUND. you, Typcially, been suckered and duped by VRWC/Fox/Repug fabricated outrage.

So are you saying Hillary is stupid or Hillary is a liar? Kind of needs to be one or the other.

[ChumpDumper]

So are you saying Hillary is stupid or Hillary is a liar? Kind of needs to be one or the other.I'd go with mostly arrogant with a bit of the other two mixed in.

[spurraider21]

Clinton emails contained spy satellite data on North Korean nukes

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/1/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-spy-satellite-dat/

[Th'Pusher]

Drip, drip, drip...

[hater]

She's fucking finished.

:lol retarded uncle the voice of the democratic block

[JoeChalupa]

It still amazes me how many Clinton supporters do not see her unfavorable ratings as a problem.

[boutons_deux]

It still amazes me how many Clinton supporters do not see her unfavorable ratings as a problem.

problem? yes,

people have been suckered for 25+ years with Repug fabricated scandals and witch hunting (140 hours sworn Congressional testimony over WH Christmas cards) into thinking all the Repug smoke means there is fire.


unfavorable to Clinton means they'll vote for a Repug extremist asshole? no


(btw, I don't like her personally, but she tons better than ANY Repug Klown)

[DMX7]

Clinton emails contained spy satellite data on North Korean nukes

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/1/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-spy-satellite-dat/

The Washington Times is NOT the Washington Post.

[spurraider21]

The Washington Times is NOT the Washington Post.
And my aunt isn't my uncle.

[DMX7]

And my aunt isn't my uncle.

You may as well have cited a 4chan post.

[spurraider21]

You may as well have cited a 4chan post.
Oh. Can you tell me why exactly this is the case?

[DMX7]

Oh. Can you tell me why exactly this is the case?

Just look at the ads in that article...:lol Look at the founder/owner of that "paper".... I don't take it seriously.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not saying the Washington Times is right but even the National Enquirer publishes a legitimate scoop every now and then.

[Winehole23]

A review last month by Reuters of previously released Clinton emails found 30 email threads that the State Department has marked to show they include information shared in confidence by foreign government officials, from prime ministers to spy chiefs.

U.S. government regulations examined by Reuters say this sort of information, whether written or spoken, must be classified from the start, and handled through secure, government-controlled channels.


The Clinton-Mitchell correspondence is one of 57 email threads found by Reuters in the latest batch of emails released on Monday that the State Department has marked as including the same type of information.


In all the 87 email threads examined by Reuters, the State Department has blanked out the confidential information in the public copies, adding the classification code "1.4(B)", denoting foreign government information.


This is the only kind of information that presidential executive orders say is "presumed" to likely harm national security if wrongly disclosed. State Department regulations describe it as the "most important category of national security information" its officials encounter.


If the State Department's markings are correct, it appears that Clinton and her senior staff routinely did not follow the regulations in the department's Foreign Affairs Manual, which tells employees they "must" safeguard foreign government information by treating it as classified.


"It's hard to square the secretary's conduct with the strict letter of the FAM," Steven Aftergood, the director of the Federation of American Scientists' government secrecy project, said in an email.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/02/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN0R22C120150902

[FuzzyLumpkins]

State department came out 2 weeks ago saying that some of it was or should have been classified. I was certain at that time this had to have legs. The longer this goes on and no one institutionally does anything to censure her the more I come to doubt anything will come of it.

[boutons_deux]

State department came out 2 weeks ago saying that some of it was or should have been classified. I was certain at that time this had to have legs. The longer this goes on and no one institutionally does anything to censure her the more I come to doubt anything will come of it.

Repugs probably been shopping for a judge since the moment they created this scandalous outrage.

btw, if Hillary is the nominee, the recent silence on BENGHAZI! will come roaring back. Confederate Gowdy has "classified" Congressional testimony until later.

[hater]

Is shllary still breathing?

Bitch has been in hiding waiting for this to blown over.

[SnakeBoy]

State department came out 2 weeks ago saying that some of it was or should have been classified. I was certain at that time this had to have legs. The longer this goes on and no one institutionally does anything to censure her the more I come to doubt anything will come of it.

We'll see. Her IT guy pleading the fizzif sure doesn't help.

[spurraider21]

Second Review Says Classified Information Was in Hillary Clinton’s Email (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html?partner=rss&emc=rss)

[boutons_deux]

We'll see. Her IT guy pleading the fizzif sure doesn't help.

he knows he will be subpoenaed in the Repug witch hunt.

[boutons_deux]

Second Review Says Classified Information Was in Hillary Clinton’s Email (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/us/politics/second-review-says-classified-information-was-in-hillary-clintons-email.html?partner=rss&emc=rss)



was it classified when it was in Hillary's email?

There's huge controversy of what should be classified, with the reflex to OVERclassify.

dickhead Cheney retroactively classified Ms of docs that had been in the public domain for decades, just because he could (gratuitously exercise power and say "fuck all y'all", I'm the President)

did Hillary send or receive the so-called classified email?

[spurraider21]

was it classified when it was in Hillary's email?

There's huge controversy of what should be classified, with the reflex to OVERclassify.

dickhead Cheney retroactively classified Ms of docs that had been in the public domain for decades, just because he could (gratuitously exercise power and say "fuck all y'all", I'm the President)

did Hillary send or receive the so-called classified email?
convenient that this "huge" controversy is only being heard about now :lol

[boutons_deux]

convenient that this "huge" controversy is only being heard about now :lol

nope, if you were informed as the brilliant Great Boutons, you'd know federal doc classification is has been an ongoing controversy for many years.

[spurraider21]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wWiKKrt6BOo/UYHYbSC2K3I/AAAAAAAAEIc/8OO_t39jwGI/s1600/Nathan-Fillion-Loss-For-Words-Reaction-Gif.gif

[ChumpDumper]

Is shllary still breathing?

Bitch has been in hiding waiting for this to blown over.I love it when people who don't read or watch any news complain about something not being covered in the news.

[JoeChalupa]

She erred in judgement big time again. First when she under estimated Barack Obama and now she's feeling the Bern again.

[boutons_deux]

She erred in judgement big time again. First when she under estimated Barack Obama and now she's feeling the Bern again.

big time? how about BIG BIG BIG amplification by Repugs/Fox?

why hasn't Fox gone after other top officials, including Repugs, with private mail servers and destruction of Ms of WH emails?

Fox has cried fox so many times, serious people know they are lying.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm surprised Boo even cares about Hillary. I for sure thought he would be a Bernie supporter since Karl Marx can't run.

[hater]

:lmao now she says shes sorry. After months of joking about it, ignoring it, ducking it, surprising by it, dissapointed bh it. Niw the bitch is sorry!!!! Holy shit r we in trouble if she gets anywhere near the White house

[boutons_deux]

I'm surprised Boo even cares about Hillary. I for sure thought he would be a Bernie supporter since Karl Marx can't run.

I don't GAF about Hillary beyond being a better Pres than any of your Repug Klowns.

I do GAF about Repugs and FOX and right wing hate machine duping you mofos and all the old white men losers, bubbas, rednecks, Christian Taliban with lies and propaganda and witch hunting.

[spurraider21]

:lmao now she says shes sorry. After months of joking about it, ignoring it, ducking it, surprising by it, dissapointed bh it. Niw the bitch is sorry!!!! Holy shit r we in trouble if she gets anywhere near the White house
:lmao literally a few days ago she was asked if she was sorry and she said no

[boutons_deux]

she should have shut up until the analysis was done.

[Winehole23]

still think we should move along, Officer Barbrady?

[JoeChalupa]

She simply does not come across as genuine. She is very qualified for the POTUS but today people vote for people they "like" and right now the GOP really likes Trump and Carson.
I believe Gov. Kasich is going to be a formidable candidate in the very near future. He isn't far right at all but if the GOP wants to truly win he is a very strong option, IMHO.

[boutons_deux]

"She simply does not come across as genuine."

yep, she doesn't have an authentic, unscripted bone in her body. But that's "personality", "beauty contest" stuff, which is how way too many Americans decide to vote.

What really counts is policies, positions, programs, but of course, politicians almost never give the enemy such ammunition, so "We're going to invade Iraq for oil" remained hidden Repug program.

[Winehole23]

what policies of HRC do you like, boutons?

[Winehole23]

and why do you trust her to make any of them happen?

[hater]

:lmao so she's not genuine but because she's promising all this bulkshit she's the best candidate :lol

Wow

[Winehole23]

to be fair, boutons hasn't said as much, but it's a reasonable inference.

[boutons_deux]

what policies of HRC do you like, boutons?

above all, she's not a Repug. America's worst nightmare is a Repug WH, with big majorities in House and Senate.

she has been pulled a bit to the left, in words only, by Bernie.

[Winehole23]

would you say you're for Bernie Sanders, then?

[Winehole23]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/62195/sorry-what-hillary?mref=home

[spurraider21]

what policies of HRC do you like, boutons?
her policy of running under the democratic ticket, of course

[boutons_deux]

would you say you're for Bernie Sanders, then?

yep, I support all his issues

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

[boutons_deux]

Fox & Friends Helps Jeb Bush Whitewash His Record On Private Email Use

Fox & Friends allowed Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush to whitewash his record on private email use and transparency during his time as governor of Florida, ignoring that it took Bush seven years to comply with the state statute requiring him to turn over his emails and that he withheld anything he deemed personal.

Fox & FriendsHosts Allow Bush To Tout His Own Transparency And Whitewash His Use Of Private Server For Government Business

Fox & Friends Fail To Press Bush After He Dodges Question About Deleting Emails. On the September 9 edition of Fox & Friends, host Steve Doocy asked Bush whether he ever deleted any emails, failing to push Bush when he dodged the question and went on to attack Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton:

ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Will taking responsibility and saying I'm sorry finally help her?

JEB BUSH: Look, it wasn't allowed. That's the simple fact. And we found out about it with a subpoena. She's not been truthful, and I think it's damaged her campaign significantly. Now there's all these investigations -- FBI, Justice Department. She's got serious problems. And I think the lesson is, you've got to be transparent when you're running for office. I released 33 years of tax returns. It was kind of ugly, but I think that's the right thing to do. I used my email as a means of communicating with the people that I served. And I'm releasing a book in October about my tenure as governor based on the e-mails that I used.

STEVE DOOCY: I looked at my emails yesterday after she apologized. On my home computer I have 88,000 emails. I don't think I've ever erased any of them. There she is out erasing tens of thousands. Have you ever erased just a whole bunch of email just so that there was no record of anything?

BUSH: Look, she was secretary of state. That's the difference. This is a national security issue. Unless you're doing national security work on the side. That's the difference. She jeopardized national security by having confidential information going over that server. We've seen what happened with the Snowden incident and the Bradley Manning (sic) incident and OPM.

DOOCY: Do you think she got hacked by somebody?

BUSH: Of course. There's a great possibility of that. OPM got hacked, inside the government server. So, having an unsecured server, talking about national security issues as secretary of state is the real problem here. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 9/9/15 (http://mediamatters.org/embed/static/clips/2015/09/09/41871/fnc-ff-20150909-bushemail)]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/09/fox-amp-friends-helps-jeb-bush-whitewash-his-re/205449

[hater]

Barney beating Shillary in Iowa.
Shes fucking finished

[Winehole23]

You might be right, but early momentum is overemphasized. The big states count more.

[Hillary]

Barney beating Shillary in Iowa.
Shes fucking finished

https://internetactionforce.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/hillary-clinton-laughing.gif

[boutons_deux]

You might be right, but early momentum is overemphasized. The big states count more.

IA and NH have, between them, how many electors? 10, while HRC is crushing Bernie in SC, which has 9 electors.

[Winehole23]

all small states. your point?

[G.Q.]

She's lost credibility from what little she had. Biden would do better in general election.

[hater]

She's lost credibility from what little she had. Biden would do better in general election.

He really wouldn't. That's the problem :lol

:lol democrats

[JoeChalupa]

Bernie Sanders is far from a fringe candidate, he now leads all rival Democratic presidential contenders by double digits in both Iowa and New Hampshire, according to polling analysis from*YouGov. According to the poll, Sanders is ahead at 43-percent in Iowa and 52-percent in New Hampshire, for respective leads of 10 and 22 points over establishment favorite and former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[boutons_deux]

The Issue Everyone Is Missing In The Clinton Email Scandal

little mention of the real issue — an ambiguously complicated and overused government classification system.

“Many of the critiques [of Clinton] show a total ignorance of how document classification works,” said Peter Swire, a law and ethics professor at Georgia Tech who was on the White House’s NSA review panel in 2014. “It is irrelevant if a piece of information is classified somewhere in government. What is relevant, is whether the recipient knew or should have known it was classified…I’m not aware of any statement that she received an email on her [personal and unclassified email server] that was marked classified.”
The Justice Department’s investigation of Clinton’s private server revealed that 125 emails wereretroactively classified (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/hillary-clinton-email-controversy-explained-2016/index.html) by the State Department, at least two of which were labeled top secret. But there’s more to the story: How communications become classified is a messy process full of obstacles and room for error.

“We live in a world where intelligence comes from many different sources, and one agency treats a piece of news as classified and another treats it as unclassified,” Swire said. “It’s possible for something to be classified in one area of government and that classification status be unknown to everyone else. The problem of whether [Clinton’s email contents] would have been classified information would have been the same if it were on [the State Department’s server].”

‘It’s Not A Science’

“Classification is not an adjective; it’s a verb. It’s something that’s done and people are supposed to mark that it has been done,” said Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s national security program. “Even so, sometimes it’s not always clear whether information is identical to information that has been marked classified.”

To become classified, an item must either be ordained as such by an original classification authority or fall under a designated topic area outlined by the president’s or specific agency’s guidelines. In 2014, there were 2,276 government officials — including the president, senior agency administrators, and those with top secret security clearances — who had the power to classify information, according to the latest report (http://www.fas.org/sgp/isoo/2014rpt.pdf) from the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), which chronicles the government’s classified materials. Those officials made 46,800 original classification decisions to classify information, 11 percent of which were considered top secret, ISOO found.

There are two types of classification: original and derivative. The former is decided by one of the nearly 2,300 authoritative officials who deem the release of such information potentially detrimental to national security; whereas derivative classification involves some form regurgitation of previously classified information. Derivative classification is most common, and officials decided 77.5 million times that communicated information was a paraphrase or repackaging of the already classified information, according to the ISOO.

“Unfortunately, it is not a science. It’s guesswork,” Goitein said. Assuming the information Clinton received wasn’t marked classified, there isn’t “enough info publicly anyway to deduce her culpability.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/11/3700451/demystifying-classified-material/

iow, the Clinton email "scandal" is a 100% Repug/Fox fabrication, a tempest in a teapot to bring Clinton down politically, to create lots of smoke where there is no fire.

Exactly like Benghazi! http://www.cafepress.com/+anti-hillary-clinton-and-benghazi+bumper-stickers

[boutons_deux]

DOJ Clears Hillary Clinton on Email Deletion & Private Server (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/12/1420695/-DOJ-Clears-Hillary-Clinton-on-Email-Deletion)

And now for something you probably won't hear about much in the MSM. (http://www.hngn.com/articles/128198/20150910/hillary-clinton-break-law-deleting-emails-doj.htm)


"There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision - she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server," Department of Justice lawyers told a judge.U.S. Justice Department lawyers told a federal court Wednesday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a private email account was not against the law, nor was it illegal for her to unilaterally determine which messages were considered work-related and necessary to return to the State Department for record keepin.


Of course that's not the narrative we've been fed for months, one that the GOP has been gloating over... (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/31/dick-cheney-hillary-clintons-email-i-think-she-sho/)


Former Vice President Dick Cheney described former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s handling of her private email through a private server as “sloppy and unprofessional.”“Maybe she was ignorant, but I find that hard to believe. She’s an intelligent woman. She spent a lot of time in the White House,” Mr. Cheneytold CNN. “I think she should have known better.”


Y'know what I find interesting about Cheney statements? The fact that apparently Colin Powell was just "sloppy and unprofessional" as Hillary Clinton. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-personal-email-secretary-of-state-115707)Like Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account during his tenure at the State Department, an aide confirmed in a statement. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-personal-email-secretary-of-state-115707)


“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends.”The statement continues: “He did not take any hard copies of emails with him when he left office and has no record of the emails. They were all unclassified and mostly of a housekeeping nature. He came into office encouraging the use of emails as a way of getting the staff to embrace the new 21st information world.”


So both Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell used personal email accounts, deleted those emails without it violating any laws and neither received or sent anything that was marked classified at the time. (corrected link) (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/22/408774111/state-department-to-release-more-clinton-emails-today)


Emails released Friday by the State Department appear to confirm Hillary Clinton's assertion that she received no classified information on her personal email accountwhile she served as secretary of state. Still, some of the emails were classified at the FBI's request after the fact — something the White House says is not uncommon.

Sorry GOP but the FBI deciding years later that in their opinion some information should have been classified that the State Department didn't agree with at the time does not lead to some massive wrong-doing on the part of Secretary Clinton.This story is a great big nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

So I expect we'll be hearing about it for several more months. Far longer than the media droned on about members of the Bush Administration using RNC servers for their email and then "losing" millions of them (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-bush-white-hous/202820).


Even for a Republican White House that was badly stumbling through George W. Bush's sixth year in office, the revelation on April 12, 2007 was shocking. Responding to congressional demands for emails in connection with its investigation into the partisan firing of eight U.S. attorneys, the White House announced that as many as five million emails, covering a two-year span, had been lost.The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.


Yeah, "Sloppy and Unprofessional".
3:26 PM PT (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/12/1420695/-DOJ-Clears-Hillary-Clinton-on-Email-Deletion#20150912152601): Adding this to address a bad link I had on the NPR article from May which documented that (some) of Clinton's emails during the period around Benghazi didn't have anything classified in them.

There are of course more emails than just those (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/22/408774111/state-department-to-release-more-clinton-emails-today) and Secretary Clinton gave both a printed copy and thumb drive PDF of 55,000 of her work related emails to the State Department last December.

What I have to say about FBI & CIA comments is this:

The secondary classification issue is really a security turf fight between State and the other agencies IMO, and I'm very familiar with classification procedures as I've noted elsewhere in the thread. [I held a Top Secret/SAR Clearance for 13 years, and worked with classified materials daily] The one NPR article backs up Clinton based on a sampling of her emails which were around the time of Benghazi. There was nothing classified in them, and there's nothing to contradict that.

CIA and FBI have identified two(?), four(?) emails that had some information they think should have been classified - but the important thing is what did the State Department think about it at the time? Things don't become "classified" until someone gives it that designation, before that it's just information. If the State Department sent Secretary Clinton some information that was not at that time designated by State [or at the time anyone else] as classified, there's no violation there.

If something is specifically designated as classified and then someone shares that info with someone who doesn't have proper clearance - then you have a clear violation of law, not the other way around where the "classification" happens later.

This isn't Dr. Who... CIA saying this or that should have been classified now doesn't mean they get to jump in a TARDIS and change Clinton's emails before they were sent or received. It doesn't work like that.

6:37 PM PT (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/12/1420695/-DOJ-Clears-Hillary-Clinton-on-Email-Deletion#20150912183743): Ok, I have to address something else about classified data protocols.

People are claiming that someone, or Hillary Clinton herself, took a classified document and copy and pasted some of it into an email.

That's Re-Dick-U-Louise!

The reason why is because truly classified documents can not be placed on an unclassified "White World" system that has direct access to yahoo.com and gmail. Those documents are kept in the Black World, on completely isolated private encrypted intranet systems running across their own separate T1/T3 (or 3G/5G if they've been upgraded) backbone. I used to set up servers on one of these backbones and it's not conceivable that you could establish one of these systems on that network and then fire up ESPN.com to watch a game.

That ain't possible.

A truly secure system would have to conform to C2 Security guidelines from the DOD. (https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa376387%28v=vs.85%29.aspx)


It must be possible to control access to a resource by granting or denying access to individual users or named groups of users.

Memory must be protected so that its contents cannot be read after a process frees it. Similarly, a secure file system, such as NTFS, must protect deleted files from being read.

Users must identify themselves in a unique manner, such as by password, when they log on. All auditable actions must identify the user performing the action.

System administrators must be able to audit security-related events. However, access to the security-related events audit data must be limited to authorized administrators.

The system must be protected from external interference or tampering, such as modification of the running system or of system files stored on disk.

In my day, C2 systems had to have their floppy & disk drives removed. The only way to get data off such a system would be to use a thumb drive which is apparently what Chelsey Manning did (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/how-us-embassy-cables-leaked) when she choose to share classified data with Wikileaks.


An innocuous-looking memory stick, no longer than a couple of fingernails, came into the hands of a Guardian reporter earlier this year. The device is so small it will hang easily on a keyring. But its contents will send shockwaves through the world's chancelleries and deliver what one official described as "an epic blow" to US diplomacy.
The 1.6 gigabytes of text files on the memory stick ran to millions of words: the contents of more than 250,000 leaked state department cables, sent from, or to, US embassies around the world.


As we know from the Manning story the State Dept. has a secure cable system for classified communications - they've had that system since long before the internet and their still using it because - shocker of shockers - the internet is not secure.

So if people are really thinking someone at State sent classified data to Secretary Clinton, or the reverse, with a simple "copy/paste" they would have had to already illegally copy that file from the secure system to their White World internet accessible machine, which is already a crimelong before anyone hit "Send".

Having said that there are times when there are things going on in the public that mirror information the government would prefer to keep private. For example one of the projects I worked on when I had a clearance was the B2 Bomber. That project was still Classified long after it was public knowledge that such a plane existed, in fact, it's budget issues and funding were being debated in congress - but the Air Force hadn't official admitted it existed yet, or what's it's full capabilities were.

So Officials talking about the B2, even in their own personal emails, or on the phone, would have been talking about something technically "classified" even though it was largely common knowledge and Aviation Week (which we used to call "Aviation Leak") was running reports and artist concept drawings of it - most of which were wrong to our amusement - for years.

I haven't yet seen exactly what this retroactively classified information is in specific [there has been some reports that it regarded details of Ambassador Stevens death in Benghazi] and we probably won't know exactly because if we did it wouldn't be classified, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something along these lines.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/12/1420695/-DOJ-Clears-Hillary-Clinton-on-Email-Deletion?detail=email

[Winehole23]

^^^marching orders from Daily Kos

[Winehole23]

rock-ribbed Republicans at McClatchy, reading the tea leaves:


Disclosures that the aide who set up Hillary Clinton’s private email server has refused to cooperate with investigators on Fifth Amendment grounds mark an ominous new turn for the Democratic presidential frontrunner as she fights allegations she mishandled classified information while secretary of state.


One former Republican U.S. attorney predicted Thursday that the development will compel the Justice Department to set aside the FBI’s limited inquiry into whether Clinton’s emails breached national security, empanel a federal grand jury and conduct a criminal investigation.


“Obviously, if he’s not going to cooperate, all of these people who were on her email are all going to get subpoenas now,” Joseph diGenova said. “It is fairly abundant that the setting up of the server – unencrypted, without State Department input – was done partially surreptitiously. And this gentleman who was part of that process could be criminally exposed for violating the espionage statutes, especially for the grossly negligent handling of classified information, which is a 10-year felony.”



“When people like this little guy start taking the fifth,” diGenova said, “it means that a lot of other people along the way are going to do the same thing. This happened because she wanted to have an unencrypted server to protect her privacy, and in the course of doing that, she compromised national security information for four years, whether she wants to admit it or not.”http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article33827619.html

[hater]

It's a sad day when sloppy and unprofessional are welcome descriptions to a presidential candidate :lol

[hater]

Btw just heard those deleted emails can and will be recovered. Game over

[boutons_deux]

^^^marching orders from Daily Kos

so you swallowed the Repug fabrication like a big dick?

Benghazi!

If the Repugs lips are moving, they're LYING, and you are listening to every word as Gospel truth.

[boutons_deux]

Trey Gowdy wants Hillary Clinton's email to be the story. But what about his $4 million witch hunt? (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/14/1421166/-Trey-Gowdy-wants-Hillary-Clinton-s-email-to-be-the-story-But-what-about-his-4-million-witch-hunt)


http://images.dailykos.com/images/148931/large/RTX1GR4G.jpg?1434559873

Under Trey Gowdy's direction, the House Benghazi Committee has long since turned into a Hillary Clinton digging expedition, seeking anything—however unrelated to Benghazi—that might hurt Clinton's presidential chances. And, according to a new internal poll (http://correctrecord.org/voters-to-gowdy-bush-release-your-emails/) conducted by Public Policy Polling for Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton group, voters are starting to notice.




54% of voters nationally think the primary motivation of Gowdy’s investigation is politics and hurting Hillary Clinton, compared to only 40% who think it’s actually about getting to the bottom of what happened in Benghazi.
62% of voters think that Gowdy should release his e-mails related to the investigation, compared to just 27% who don’t think he should have to. There’s a bipartisan consensus on the need for Gowdy to release his e-mails with majorities of Democrats (70/17), Republicans (58/35), and independents (53/33) all in agreement on the matter.
Voters see it as a basic fairness issue- only 39% think it’s reasonable for Gowdy to demand Clinton release her e-mails while declining to release his own, compared to 56% who think he’s employing a double standard by his refusal to make his e-mails available.




This is an internal poll by a pro-Clinton group, and the questions reflect that—

basically, this lets us know that voters who hear that Gowdy has "refused repeated requests to release his own emails to shed a light on his investigation which has cost taxpayers over $4 million" will respond by saying yes, he should turn over his emails, and that voters who hear that Gowdy has "turned his focus away from what happened in Benghazi to Hillary Clinton’s choice of email practices and has demanded access to all of her emails including personal emails" and is planning to continue his investigation into 2016 will see Gowdy's investigation as partisan.

The fact that voters feel this way given these pieces of information is of limited use if voters never hear it—and the New York Times and Fox News sure aren't putting this in big screaming headlines—but it's a message to Democrats and particularly Clinton supporters that this is a message worth publicizing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/14/1421166/-Trey-Gowdy-wants-Hillary-Clinton-s-email-to-be-the-story-But-what-about-his-4-million-witch-hunt?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

So Hillary has to turn over her emails to witch hunter Gowdy, but Gowdy refuses to turn over his emails to anybody.

[boutons_deux]

The Clinton Rules: About that "classified info" - what about the stuff not on Hillary's server?

Josh Gerstein writes (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-gmail-google-classified-content-213458#ixzz3liTI7SRQ):

Classified emails passed through commercial email services like Google and AOL on their path to or from a private server maintained by Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state, but so far, the government appears to have done little to retrieve or secure the messages.

Also too, the FBI appears to have done nothing to capture the "classified info" sitting in the State Department's unsecured system. It's as if no one really gives a sh*t about the "classified info" that isn't on Hilary Clinton's server.

Gerstein writes:


The nonchalant response to messages stored on commercial servers contrasts sharply with recent FBI efforts to take possession of email copies on a thumb drive maintained by Clinton’s attorney David Kendall and on a server kept by a Denver tech company that managed Clinton’s account.

Gee. No one actually cares about this apparently. Other than for political effect of course. Steven Aftergood notes:

[The two reactions] are discordant, and they reflect inconsistent notions of information security[.] They are totally incompatible positions.

It only makes sense if eGhazi is just a political witch hunt. Hey now!

A government official notes:

The logic is classic government logic: If I know classified material is in place X, I’m going to go get it,” said one former senior State Department official. “They’re not going to, without reasonable cause, start searching everyone’s home email. In a sense, [Clinton] is suffering the mortification on behalf of the entire department.”

If they REALLY care, they'll discover it's not just the State Department. It' the entire government.

But that takes away from the political witchhunt.

There is no there there when it comes to eGhazi. Except of course, as a cudgel for use by Hillary Haters. (NOTE - Clinton's political stupidity is manifest here. She forgot about the Clinton Rules. which she should never ever forget.)

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2015/9/14/9159/14398/Election16/The-Clinton-Rules-About-that-classified-info-what-about-the-stuff-not-on-Hillary-s-server-

[CosmicCowboy]

dailykos :lol

40% of DEMOCRATS think Gowdy is trying to get to the bottom of the Clinton mess.

And Boo thinks that is good?

[boutons_deux]

dailykos :lol

40% of DEMOCRATS think Gowdy is trying to get to the bottom of the Clinton mess.

And Boo thinks that is good?

Fox/Repug propaganda, lying, slander are truly excellent. In fact, those are their major skills. Repeat Repeat Repeat LIES until idiots believe them.

Gotta remember, Americans, even Dem ones, are pretty fucking stupid, politically disengaged, easily duped.

There is no there there.

Why should anyone believe Fox, Repugs on HRC's email when the Repugs have done nothing but witch hunt, lie, slander, propagandize, blowing smoke out of their asses hoping to create fire, and be totally wrong on every other "issue", fabricated or not (eg, ACA is a job killer, will destroy America. Hillary personally caused Benghazi deaths. Her assistant is a Muslim terrorist mole).

[CosmicCowboy]

Fox/Repug propaganda, lying, slander are truly excellent. In fact, those are their major skills. Repeat Repeat Repeat LIES until idiots believe them.

Gotta remember, Americans, even Dem ones, are pretty fucking stupid, politically disengaged, easily duped.

There is no there there.

Why should anyone believe Fox, Repugs on HRC's email when the Repugs have done nothing but witch hunt, lie, slander, propagandize, blowing smoke out of their asses hoping to create fire, and be totally wrong on every other "issue", fabricated or not (eg, ACA is a job killer, will destroy America. Hillary personally caused Benghazi deaths. Her assistant is a Muslim terrorist mole).

Read your own article dumbass.


This is an internal poll by a pro-Clinton group, and the questions reflect that—

[boutons_deux]

Read your own article dumbass.

I read the article before I linked it. Dems can be dumb as you TX rednecks.

There is no "bottom" to get to. Like Benghazi!!!, the Repugs will drag out the email fabricated scandal for months, and certainly into next year, and right up to November if Hillary is the candidate.

[spurraider21]

I read the article before I linked it.
You lie.

[Winehole23]

so you swallowed the Repug fabrication like a big dick?

Benghazi!

If the Repugs lips are moving, they're LYING, and you are listening to every word as Gospel truth.


WaPo, NYT and McClatchy take marching orders from the GOP?

Nice try, come again.

[Winehole23]

Benghazi was bs, but this isn't. It was colossal incompetence at best.

[Winehole23]

foxlike guile at worst

[boutons_deux]

WaPo, NYT and McClatchy take marching orders from the GOP?

Nice try, come again.

Fox, Repugs are truly excellent at FUD, slander, LIES.

[boutons_deux]

Benghazi was bs, but this isn't. It was colossal incompetence at best.

it's colossal amplification by Fox and Repugs, you sucking their dick as much as anybody.

[JoeChalupa]

She needs to get her "act" together and quick. Damn, she comes across as so scripted and boring as hell. Stop reading from your notes and just talk to the people.
At least Joe Biden can speak from his heart and connect. Hillary is her worse own enemy.

[hater]

Hillary is a neocon. Why would anyone want that in office?

[boutons_deux]

She needs to get her "act" together and quick. Damn, she comes across as so scripted and boring as hell. Stop reading from your notes and just talk to the people.
At least Joe Biden can speak from his heart and connect. Hillary is her worse own enemy.

so personality and "beauty contests" is what electing a US President is about?

which of Hillary's policies do you object to?

go have a beer with uninteresting and uninterested dubya, and he'll waste 5000+ military lives

[boutons_deux]

Exclusive: Republicans Really Hate Hillary Clinton / New Data From That Hillary Clinton ‘Liar’ Poll Tells a Different Story


Last night a friend pointed me to a piece at Mediaite by Tommy Christopher. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-new-data-from-that-hillary-clinton-liar-poll-tells-a-different-story/)Christopher asked Quinnipiac for the crosstabs of that famous poll in which the top description of Hillary Clinton was "liar," and what he discovered will surprise exactly no one. You can click the link for all the gory details,

but here it is in a nutshell: roughly speaking, the only people who described Hillary as a liar were Republicans. And the reason that word so badly outnumbered the others is that Republicans used it in lockstep. The positive descriptions of Hillary were all over the map, so no single one of them racked up big numbers.


In other words, there's actually no news here at all. Republicans hate Hillary, Democrats love Hillary, and independents are unsure. It may well be that Hillary Clinton has an image problem that she needs to work on, but it's pretty much the same image problem she's had forever.

http://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_mediaite_hillary_poll.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/exclusive-republicans-really-hate-hillary-clinton

[hater]

I'm independent and shes a damned liar.

[TeyshaBlue]

it's colossal amplification by Fox and Repugs, you sucking their dick as much as anybody.

How many times do I have to tell you.... Don't talk when your mouth is full.

[JoeChalupa]

Even on the Tonight Show she couldn't pull it off.

[Spurtacular]

Hillary is a neocon. Why would anyone want that in office?

Explain.

[hater]

Explain.

Voted for Iraq war and was in favor of many interventions overseas. Supports droning and spying. She would love nothing more than to feed the MIC with blood of civilians and us soldiers.

Neocon
S

[Spurtacular]

Voted for Iraq war and was in favor of many interventions overseas. Supports droning and spying. She would love nothing more than to feed the MIC with blood of civilians and us soldiers.

Neocon
S

Fair enough. So is Obama then.

[boutons_deux]

Fair enough. So is Obama then.

Obama voted against the Iraq war, Hillary, Bernie voted for it. Obama "ended" the Iraq war by implementing the Repug withdrawal agreement. Obama hasn't started any wars, while Hillary talks tough about going to war.

otoh, the MIC has been running wild with 800 US bases around the planet, and murdering all kinds of supposed terrorists, anywhere. "Why Do They Hate Us?"

[hater]

Fair enough. So is Obama then.

Agreed