Russell Wilsons Turns Down $21M Per Year

[JohnnyMax]

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[Holden_Caulfield]

i dont blame him, tbh. except for the last superbowl :lol

[Fabbs]

Stupid ass wins the Bowl and he could pull this off easily.
History will show a one Dan Marino was extremely popular, owned Miami and the Fish were going to rock for years. After losing in the SuperBowl to SuperJoe Montana, asshat Marino demanded one more dollar then Joe got.

Ruined his rep in Miami, he went on to become a big stat padder on Miami teams that never sniffed another Bowl.

Learn Wilson, learn.

[Avante]

Those that know pro football have it....

Rodgers
Brady
Luck
Manning
Wilson
Brees
Big Ben
Romo

You can debate the position but not the fact they are considered the elite.

Pay the guy elite $$$$$.

[pgardn]

How much guaranteed?

[Fabbs]

Pay the guy elite $$$$$.
21 mil a year would make him 2nd Numby.

That is easily on your elite list.

[Spur-Addict]

Allegedly this is in regards to the amount of guaranteed dollars more so than the actual total of the contract itself.

[Struggle Wilson]

Don't you get it, morons? I need to get paid while I still can before I get exposed as a game manager and a product of Lynch and the defense. Of course I'm not playing for those poverty wages.

[SupremeGuy]

Struggle is going to singlehandedly cripple the seahawks, tbh. :lol

You guys would be wise to let him go but do you have the balls?

[spurraider21]

Struggle is going to singlehandedly cripple the seahawks, tbh. :lol

You guys would be wise to let him go but do you have the balls?
they are in win-now mode... hitting the reset button on the most important position isn't a wise move.

he's not their best or most important player, but QB is still the most important position, in that its the only spot you cant afford to have uncertainty in. he plays it at a high (though not elite, obviously) level. he doesnt deserve to be the highest paid player in the league, but it doesnt seem like he will be

[The Gemini Method]

So he wants to be paid on the guarantee along the lines of Suh. I'm guessing the FO will bow soon since they also need to re-up Wagner. With Earl Thomas the 3rd out until probably October, We'll need all the starpower we can use to stay afloat.

[Spur-Addict]

they are in win-now mode... hitting the reset button on the most important position isn't a wise move.

he's not their best or most important player, but QB is still the most important. he plays it at a high (though not elite, obviously) level. he doesnt deserve to be the highest paid player in the league, but it doesnt seem like he will be

Basically

[spankadelphia]

I would let him walk. Trade for Mett and be done with it.

[spurraider21]

and become the arizona cardinals/cincinnati bengals?

[Clipper Nation]

and become the arizona cardinals/cincinnati bengals?
They've been to two Super Bowls and won one with a replaceable, sub-mediocre game manager under center. Hardly a Cardinals/Bengals situation.

[spurraider21]

You're boring to talk sports with. Always with the over-exaggerative trolling. Here derp sub-mediocre. Even in basketball, herp derp Kobe isn't top 100 all time, etc

[spurraider21]

Inb4 :cry just can't handle truth bombs. Wilson isn't nfl caliber :cry

[SuperCam]

this game managing faggot is gonna be hated in a few years when he cripples the team financially and doesn't win another SB. He'll get the Spurstalk Tony Parker treatment :lol

[spurraider21]

i dont see ravens fans throwing flacco under the bus, and he's not an elite top 5 QB either

[Clipper Nation]

i dont see ravens fans throwing flacco under the bus, and he's not an elite top 5 QB either

Flacco is elite and a real quarterback, unlike Struggle.

[spurraider21]

Flacco is elite and a real quarterback, unlike Struggle.
flacco's real good, and probably better than wilson. he's not elite

[Clipper Nation]

flacco's real good, and probably better than wilson. he's not elite
That 2012 playoff run tho.

[spurraider21]

That 2012 playoff run tho.
it was one of the best postseason runs of all time. doesn't make him an elite QB. makes his 2012 run elite

[Clipper Nation]

it was one of the best postseason runs of all time. doesn't make him an elite QB. makes his 2012 run elite

He's elitePERIOD.

January Joe Bags

[spurraider21]

ok

[SupremeGuy]

i dont see ravens fans throwing flacco under the bus, and he's not an elite top 5 QB either


flacco's real good, and probably better than wilson. he's not eliteYou're kind of responding to yourself, tbh. :lol

[spurraider21]

You're kind of responding to yourself, tbh. :lol
they're in the same class of player. they're both above average, neither are elite. one guy being slightly better or worse than the other doesn't change my overlying point

[Clipper Nation]

they're in the same class of player.
:lmao

[SuperCam]

:lmao

:lol
:lmao


Game manager 0-7 when his defense gives up 24+ points

[Clipper Nation]

:lol
:lmao


Game manager 0-7 when his defense gives up 24+ points
To be fair, Cum Newton is 4-27-1 when his defense gives up 21+ points :lmao

[SuperCam]

To be fair, Cum Newton is 4-27-1 when his defense gives up 21+ points :lmao

Goddamn, didn't realize Cam has had to carry the team so long. Fucking defense giving up 21 points thirty two times in his career :wow


Fucking faggot ass game manager gets his defense to carry him every game :lol

[Kool Bob Love]

The Seahawks owe everything to Wilson. They never won without him. Pay the man. :tu

[Clipper Nation]

Goddamn, didn't realize Cam has had to carry the team so long.

Carrying his team to a horrendous record :lol

Meanwhile, Derek Anderson is 5-20 when his defense gives up 21+ points. Not great, but a lot better than Cum. As usual, it's obvious who deserves to be starting in Carolina.

[SuperCam]

What is your obsession with male ejaculate? Another caliqueer?


Cam being on a team who in 75%+ of his games have given up more than 21 points speaks to how much pressure has been on him to come from behind. Fucking disgraceful by our FO to put him into this position until now. Of course the one year he has a top 10 defense he goes 12-4. But I guess when you take over a 2-14 team, that's what happens.


The fact that this faggotesque game manager in his entire career has never had to deal with but 7 times his team giving up more than 3.5 scores, and every single time it's happened he's failed to do anything, should end any discussion of elite right here right now.

[spurraider21]

:lol
:lmao


Game manager 0-7 when his defense gives up 24+ points
http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554385

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=331103026

[SuperCam]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400554385

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=331103026

24+ means >24

Trying to defend game managers shame with the raiders and bucs as evidence :lol

[spurraider21]

24+ means >24

Trying to defend game managers shame with the raiders and bucs as evidence :lol
lol no

you can correct yourself and move on, though

[SuperCam]

bucs and raiders, two dumpster fires :lol


:cry "but-but-but 24 is wrong u cant take that away from game manager" :cry

[Mal]

Seahawks could get Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees and shitload of picks for Struggle. Why they dont call these teams?

[Avante]

Flacco is elite and a real quarterback, unlike Struggle.
No he's not, that's why when the players picked their top 100 players for 2014 Flacco was way back there, while Wilson was the 5th QB.

Dummy, do you understand career stats at all?

Dude, do you understand the game at all? You come off about as dumb as rock. Russell Wilson is just a...THIRD YEAR QB...ok stupid? So you compare him to others after their...THRD YEAR...ok dummy? You don't compare a third year QB to a seasoned vet with 10 or more seasons ok? Do you get that at all?

Clipper Nation I challenge your dumb ass to show me another....THIRD YEAR..QB who compares to RW when it comes to stats/wins/SB;s....ok? Come on faggot who had a better.....THREE SEASONS. Well?

All of Wilsons first three year stats are superior to Flaccos.

Then there's this...

Flacco TD/INT...60/34
Wilson TD/INT...66/26

I know I know, you;re too stupid to figure that out.

[SupremeGuy]

Seahawks could get Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees and shitload of picks for Struggle. Why they dont call these teams?No they couldn't. :lol

If they could, they'd already be on the phone...

[Clipper Nation]

Seahawks could get Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees and shitload of picks for Struggle. Why they dont call these teams?
All of those teams would laugh and hang up the phone.

[Stephen A. Smith]

My sources tell me that now that he's not getting it at home Russell needs the pay raise to keep up with his projected road whore budget for the coming season.

[Raven]

Seahawks could get Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Drew Brees and shitload of picks for Struggle. Why they dont call these teams?

doubt they could get any of them, except perhaps brees

[Mal]

All of those teams would laugh and hang up the phone.

So Wilson for Ryan straight up would make Atlanta laugh ? If so, why Seattle offers him 21 mil $, if they couldnt trade him for QB like Ryan.

[Clipper Nation]

So Wilson for Ryan straight up would make Atlanta laugh ? If so, why Seattle offers him 21 mil $, if they couldnt trade him for QB like Ryan.
Why would Atlanta downgrade at the QB position?

As for the Seahawks, the only reason to give him that kind of money is fear of the unknown.

[Mal]

Why would Atlanta downgrade at the QB position?

As for the Seahawks, the only reason to give him that kind of money is fear of the unknown.

Oh shit, there`s only 3 years diffrence between them. I though there is 5 years, so Ryan is not an option. But Brees ? For 2 years with picks.

[Clipper Nation]

Oh shit, there`s only 3 years diffrence between them. I though there is 5 years, so Ryan is not an option. But Brees ? For 2 years with picks.
Why would New Orleans downgrade at the QB position?

[Mal]

Why would New Orleans downgrade at the QB position?

They wont win shit with Brees. Rebuild, starting with QB.

[SuperCam]

They wont win shit with Brees. Rebuild, starting with QB.

They would just end up overpaying game manager. Game Manager + Awful New Orleans D, would spell disaster as he's failed everytime so far he's had to bail out a rare bad defensive showing. With such a huge clog in capspace, Saints would be in the cellar for years.

[Mal]

By all means, I think Wilson is bad QB, but still dont know why Seahawks wont trade him rather than paying him $25M

[spurraider21]

By all means, I think Wilson is bad QB, but still dont know why Seahawks wont trade him rather than paying him $25M
because you usually dont trade somebody that will stabilize your QB position for a decade

[Darth_Pelican]

The Saints already drafted what they are hoping to become Brees' replacement. There's no way in hell they want to pay Russell Wilson 21+ million dollars a year for the next 5 years AND lose the best player on their roster in the process. That would set the franchise back a decade.

[DD]

Wilson has maybe 5 years left as a starter with the way he plays...almost none of those QB's last "to stabilize the qb position for a decade." Fact of life

[Darth_Pelican]

RW is never going to be in a position again to be able to play on the best team in the NFL AND be offered a 21 million dollar per year contract. For him to turn that down is just plain asinine. I'm sure a deal will get done by the start of camp, but if it doesn't because he tries to squeeze out another couple mil per year out of Seattle, then he is retarded.

[spurraider21]

Wilson has maybe 5 years left as a starter with the way he plays...almost none of those QB's last "to stabilize the qb position for a decade." Fact of life
yeah, on second thought i agree. shouldn't have said the "next decade" but it ultimately could be a full decade from the day he started, i guess. still, even if he's eventually overpaid (seems that way), he'll likely hold the position down for the duration of that deal. being in a position where ur shopping for a QB usually means you aren't in the playoffs, no matter how stacked the rest of the roster is

[Clipper Nation]

They wont win shit with Brees. Rebuild, starting with QB.

Paying franchise-killing money to the new Aaron Brooks would hamper any attempt at a rebuild.

[Avante]

Sure can tell how little people on this board know about football, sheesh~~~~~~~~

Anyone here actually understand the game?

Lucky for you I'm here to teach.

I challenge the board to show me any QB in NFL history who rivals what RW did in their first three seasons.

Talking....

wins
playoff wins
SB's
QB rating
stats

Come on don't be a pussy. What NFL QB had a better first three seasons than RW, well?

Go ahead look at Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, Elway, Favre, Rodgers, anyone, show me the guy who did it better after three seasons.

Come on rookies.

Big fish in a small pond, ha~~~~~~~~

[SuperCam]

In three seasons, Montana had already carried his team to 4 victories on occasions when the defense gave up more than 24.

Brady 7 times.

Manning 3 times.

Marino 5 times.

Elway 2 times.

Cam 2 times.

Favre 2 times.

Gayron 3 times.





Faggotesque Game manager: ZERO :lmao

[spurraider21]

that's probably the most arbitrary definition of success i've ever seen in a sports argument ever

[Avante]

In three seasons, Montana had already carried his team to 4 victories on occasions when the defense gave up more than 24.

Brady 7 times.

Manning 3 times.

Marino 5 times.

Elway 2 times.

Cam 2 times.

Favre 2 times.

Gayron 3 times.





Faggotesque Game manager: ZERO :lmao

Montana had QB ratings of...

81.1
87.8
88.4

35/21 TD/INT

15-9 record

RW

100.0
101.2
95

66/26 TD/INT

36-12 record


NEXT!!!!!!!!!

[SuperCam]

QB ratings don't win games, fucking nerd.

Players do.


Especially guys like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor.


In the rare times they haven't, Game Manager can't even lead his team to a win, which is something every elite QB in history had done at least twice in their first three starting seasons.


Keep talking about rookie cards you dumb old fuck :lmao

[Avante]

QB ratings don't win games, fucking nerd.

Players do.


Especially guys like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor.


In the rare times they haven't, Game Manager can't even lead his team to a win, which is something every elite QB in history had done at least twice in their first three starting seasons.


Keep talking about rookie cards you dumb old fuck :lmao

So tell me stupid what QB in the league has more 4th Q GWD's than RW since he came in the league, go ahead idiot tell me.

Damn your dumb.

Why is it that Newton's rookie card ain't worth shit, oh yeah it's because he is shit.

[Clipper Nation]

that's probably the most arbitrary definition of success i've ever seen in a sports argument ever
:lol Mad that Struggle isn't good enough to bail out his team when the defense fails, like a real franchise QB

[Avante]

:lol Mad that Struggle isn't good enough to bail out his team when the defense fails, like a real franchise QB

Ever actually have a clue what you're talking about, ever?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=WilsRu00

[Darth_Pelican]

Wilson agrees to extension, 4 years. Details to come.

[Darth_Pelican]

87.6 mil over 4 years

60 mil guaranteed

[Mal]

That`s a lot. Like 20% of cap, for players who wont make any diffrence alone

[tlongII]

Good deal. And Wilson is definitely elite. He is accurate, runs great, intelligent, and a natural leader.

[Raven]

could have been worse.. still way above his true value.

[Avante]

Facts

Winningest QB in their first three seasons ever.
His stats on a par with any other third year QB in history.
No QB ever had more playoff success in their first three seasons.

Russell Wilson has had the best first three seasons we have seen from a QB.

He was just voted the 22th best player in the league by the players, the fifth best QB.

His first three seasons highlight video......amazing!!!!!!!!!!!


I've been into this stuff since the late 50, s will stack my experience up against anyone here. In my opinion he is the best young QB I've seen. He is the total package, he has it all and well worth the $$$$$$.

And, I'm a Niner fan.

Now before the stupid.....he had a defense, he had a running back......did he have a THE GRONK or a Calvin Johnson?

[Trill Clinton]

Fair deal. If you look at the contract's real money. he'll be the 10th highest paid qb.

[Darth_Pelican]

Facts

Winningest QB in their first three seasons ever.
His stats on a par with any other third year QB in history.
No QB ever had more playoff success in their first three seasons.

Russell Wilson has had the best first three seasons we have seen from a QB.

He was just voted the 22th best player in the league by the players, the fifth best QB.

His first three seasons highlight video......amazing!!!!!!!!!!!


I've been into this stuff since the late 50, s will stack my experience up against anyone here. In my opinion he is the best young QB I've seen. He is the total package, he has it all and well worth the $$$$$$.

And, I'm a Niner fan.

RW is great at what he is asked to do for his team, but in my opinion he isn't someone that could carry an "average" team to conference championship games like Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck did for their teams last year. He had the fortunate task of being the QB for the team with the best defense in the NFL. I know that isn't RW's fault. He shouldn't have to apologize for being on the team with the best defense in the NFL. I'm just saying, the word "elite" is thrown around way too easily these days. RW had a really bad postseason last year. His 4 interceptions in the NFC Title game was terrible, and so was his game clinching INT in the Super Bowl.

With this big contract, now the real test begins. Will he stay humble and work hard now that he has enough money to buy a small country. Will he be able to maintain his winning ways now that it will become harder for the team to pay all of those stud defensive players. They went and got him Jimmy Graham, so he has that working for him.

More is going to be asked of RW going forward. He's had a great start to his career, and now we'll see if he maintains it.

[Avante]

RW is great at what he is asked to do for his team, but in my opinion he isn't someone that could carry an "average" team to conference championship games like Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck did for their teams last year. He had the fortunate task of being the QB for the team with the best defense in the NFL. I know that isn't RW's fault. He shouldn't have to apologize for being on the team with the best defense in the NFL. I'm just saying, the word "elite" is thrown around way too easily these days. RW had a really bad postseason last year. His 4 interceptions in the NFC Title game was terrible, and so was his game clinching INT in the Super Bowl.

With this big contract, now the real test begins. Will he stay humble and work hard now that he has enough money to buy a small country. Will he be able to maintain his winning ways now that it will become harder for the team to pay all of those stud defensive players. They went and got him Jimmy Graham, so he has that working for him.

More is going to be asked of RW going forward. He's had a great start to his career, and now we'll see if he maintains it.

Nobody ever takes the time to actualy check up on what other QB's did in their first three seasons, if they did they would see why I'm high on RW. He came right off the bus and took over, how many others did that and had the success he's had? And having seen him at NCSt/Wisconsin I know for a fact he would be doing the same things on any team he played for. He left the college game as the top all time passer.

All this talk of his defense/Lynch is what those who don't understand the game talk about.

Here we have the athlete at QB, the best example we've seen of leader/runner/passer/winner.

[spurraider21]

RW is great at what he is asked to do for his team, but in my opinion he isn't someone that could carry an "average" team to conference championship games like Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck did for their teams last year. He had the fortunate task of being the QB for the team with the best defense in the NFL. I know that isn't RW's fault. He shouldn't have to apologize for being on the team with the best defense in the NFL. I'm just saying, the word "elite" is thrown around way too easily these days. RW had a really bad postseason last year. His 4 interceptions in the NFC Title game was terrible, and so was his game clinching INT in the Super Bowl.

With this big contract, now the real test begins. Will he stay humble and work hard now that he has enough money to buy a small country. Will he be able to maintain his winning ways now that it will become harder for the team to pay all of those stud defensive players. They went and got him Jimmy Graham, so he has that working for him.

More is going to be asked of RW going forward. He's had a great start to his career, and now we'll see if he maintains it.
He's not elite... heck Philip Rivers was never called elite even at his best, back when the elite tier was Manning/Brady/Brees, etc. But Wilson is pretty good and Seattle won't be looking to address their QB position as long as he's around. He's probably on the back end up the top 10 in the league. I'm interested to see what he can do with Graham

[SuperCam]

Nobody ever takes the time to actualy check up on what other QB's did in their first three seasons, if they did they would see why I'm high on RW. He came right off the bus and took over, how many others did that and had the success he's had? And having seen him at NCSt/Wisconsin I know for a fact he would be doing the same things on any team he played for. He left the college game as the top all time passer.

All this talk of his defense/Lynch is what those who don't understand the game talk about.

Here we have the athlete at QB, the best example we've seen of leader/runner/passer/winner.


Avante, you old shitbag, how many times did you actually see him in person?

Because I was at Carter-Finley in 2009, long before your ancient old ass ever heard of him, watching a middling Duke team drag Game Manager's ass up and down the gridiron, to the tune of a three score blowout. Sure as shit didn't look anywhere close to elite.

How many times did Peyton's teams get skull dragged in college? What about Montana? Brady?


Fucking gamemanager couldn't even lead them to a .500 record without an elite defense carrying his ass :lmao

[Avante]

Avante, you old shitbag, how many times did you actually see him in person?

Because I was at Carter-Finley in 2009, long before your ancient old ass ever heard of him, watching a middling Duke team drag Game Manager's ass up and down the gridiron, to the tune of a three score blowout. Sure as shit didn't look anywhere close to elite.

How many times did Peyton's teams get skull dragged in college? What about Montana? Brady?


Fucking gamemanager couldn't even lead them to a .500 record without an elite defense carrying his ass :lmao

Are you really as fucking retarded as you appear? Why not mention that 2009 NCSt team gave up over 400 points? Well?

How many times has RW beaten Cam, oh yeah....3-0 ya dumb fuck. How many SB has Cam played in, try....ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!! How many has RW playd in...TWO..in just thre seasons?

Hey faggot ya wanna compare career stats? Newton vs RW, well?

Hey queer how come RW was ranked number 22 by the player while Newton won...The Biggest Mistake...award, well?

If your goal is to be a dumb fuck, you are a success.

Hey faggot do this...


Google...Russell Wilson Rookie Cards, ok? And then Google Cam Newton Rookie Cards, now tell me how come RW's are far more valuable?

[SupremeGuy]

And the downfall begins, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Because I was at Carter-Finley in 2009
Sup N0 LyF3 ScRuB.

[Clipper Nation]

And having seen him at NCSt/Wisconsin I know for a fact he would be doing the same things on any team he played for.
Bullshit, old faggot. You didn't know a damn thing about Struggle before he saw an NFL field. I already exposed how you were riding Kirk Cousins and Andrew Luck's nuts during and right after the draft that year.

[Spur-Addict]

This could've been much worse, I'm glad it isn't a catastrophe. I'm pleasantly surprised. The concern is now in regards to Bam-Bam and M.B.

[Avante]

Bullshit, old faggot. You didn't know a damn thing about Struggle before he saw an NFL field. I already exposed how you were riding Kirk Cousins and Andrew Luck's nuts during and right after the draft that year.

Wrong as you always are, I;d seen him play twice at NCSt and three times at Wisconsin. Was well aware of who he was so once again you never ever get anything right, ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Wrong as you always are, I;d seen him play twice at NCSt and three times at Wisconsin. Was well aware of who he was so once again you never ever get anything right, ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244100

[Avante]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244100

Wrong yet again, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where does that prove I wasn't aware of Wilson? You do know that NCSt team he was on sucked, right? And I usualy don't put too much into Big10 QB's because of the lack of speed in the conference.

So aother..FAIL..by our resident idiot.

Dude, have you ever got anything right, ever?

The bottom line stupid is this...

RW is a great young talent, if you can;t see that you are one of the dumb ones. The players voted him the fifth ranked QB in the league. While Flacco was way back there. Now why did they do that? How come a guy like me who can name Chargers you've never even heard of think he's great?

Faggot, do you know anything at all about football? You are wrong about everything you say, ad you never seem to get what's really going on. I mentioned the importance of the running game, so there your dumb ass id...."oh no ya see"....ok faggot who was your first draft pick, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!! What is holding the Colts back.....NO RUNNING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CN, you are a 100% moron, ok?

Pay attention son...

With a running game...third and short, without one...third and long, now think ya dumb fuck.

[The Gemini Method]

This could've been much worse, I'm glad it isn't a catastrophe. I'm pleasantly surprised. The concern is now in regards to Bam-Bam and M.B. Fuck Kam and Bennett. Real concern is no.54. You know that

[Clipper Nation]

Wrong yet again, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where does that prove I wasn't aware of Wilson? You do know that NCSt team he was on sucked, right? And I usualy don't put too much into Big10 QB's because of the lack of speed in the conference.
So much for :cry "but I knew Struggle was going to be great in college!" :cry

[Avante]

So much for :cry "but I knew Struggle was going to be great in college!" :cry

I saw him vs Oregon in the Rose Bowl in 2011, that was the game that really brought him to my attention. I could see...it...there. Didn't notice..."it"...the other times.

I'll ask you AGAIN...

Why did the players vote Flacco number 97 and RW number 22?

[Clipper Nation]

I saw him vs Oregon in the Rose Bowl in 2011, that was the game that really brought him to my attention. I could see...it...there. Didn't notice..."it"...the other times.
You didn't notice shit, old faggot.


I'll ask you AGAIN...

Why did the players vote Flacco number 97 and RW number 22?
Because they're not too bright. See: the end result every time they negotiate the CBA.

Flacco shits all over Struggle... deal with it.

[Avante]

You didn't notice shit, old faggot.


Because they're not too bright. See: the end result every time they negotiate the CBA.

Flacco shits all over Struggle... deal with it.

Wrong as you always are. Was well aware of RW, and as you have been seeing he's better than Flacco. I know this as does everyone who understands the game. An idiot like you isn't going to get it, you never have and never wll because you're stupid.

Moron...

Check out Flacco's stats vs RW stats from 2014, tell me what do you see? Now check out their first three seasons stats, tell me what do you see?

Dummy, no QB in HISTORY has won more games than RW in their first three seasons. No QB in HISTORY has started off with two 100 QB ratings in their first two seasons. This season a 95.

Now think just a little bit ya dumb fuck, ok?

[SuperCam]

Wrong yet again, wow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where does that prove I wasn't aware of Wilson? You do know that NCSt team he was on sucked, right?


So when the Faggotesque game manager is sucking, it's because :cry the defense isn't doing it's job :cry

but when the #1 D is carrying his fucking ass every season and he's winning, it's really game manager responsible for the team success :lmao




Faggots arguing and posting on Friday night, what a life :lol

[Avante]

So when the Faggotesque game manager is sucking, it's because :cry the defense isn't doing it's job :cry

but when the #1 D is carrying his fucking ass every season and he's winning, it's really game manager responsible for the team success :lmao






Faggots arguing and posting on Friday night, what a life :lol


I'll try again...


Hey moron why is RW's rookie card more valuable than Newtons?

Why does RW have superior stats?

How come RW is 3-0 vs Newton?

How come nobody who knows the game thinks Newton is better than RW?

Well?

Superbowl success...RW
Playoff success...RW

Comp% RW..64.4/Newton 59.3
TD/INT..RW,,72/26/Newton 82/54
Rating,,RW 96.6/Newton 85.4
Best QBR..RW 71.75/Newton 56.85

It's all Russell Wilson guy and really not close.

[Spur-Addict]

Fuck Kam and Bennett. Real concern is no.54. You know that

Never had a doubt that he wouldn't be signed. It was an afterthought in my mind, the only question was how much for me.

[Avante]

After this season Russell Wilson will have at least 52 (10 in 2015 at least) wins in just 4 seasons. I challenge anyone to find any QB who won more games in their first 4 seasons. Good luck~~~~~

What makes him so special is that there was no hang around and watch the vet play, there was no time to learn anything. He walked right in and started winning. Now look at $$$$$$$ where he is and he's how old?

Best young QB we've seen.

I realize the intelligence level here is pretty..??? So...

I' m comparing...AFTER 4 SEASONS...ok? No a 4 year guy can't compare to a 14 year vet, honest. Let me guess you're now confused, right?

[SuperCam]

Hey Avante, you old shitbag:


If RW's cards are more valuable, then how come the authority on the subject, rates Cam with an investment rating of 8.0, while your boy Game Manager only is rated a 7.5? :lol

http://www.cardboardconnection.com/player/cam-newton-football-cards
http://www.cardboardconnection.com/player/russell-wilson


You dumb fag, you've been carrying water for a premise that's complete bullshit :lmao

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Hey Avante, you old shitbag:


If RW's cards are more valuable, then how come the authority on the subject, rates Cam with an investment rating of 8.0, while your boy Game Manager only is rated a 7.5? :lol

http://www.cardboardconnection.com/player/cam-newton-football-cards
http://www.cardboardconnection.com/player/russell-wilson


You dumb fag, you've been carrying water for a premise that's complete bullshit :lmao


Avante

[The Gemini Method]

Oh how cute Cat Herder has a faggot in arms.

[Spur-Addict]

Oh how cute Cat Herder has a faggot in arms.

He's talking to himself again

[Avante]

Hey Avante, you old shitbag:


If RW's cards are more valuable, then how come the authority on the subject, rates Cam with an investment rating of 8.0, while your boy Game Manager only is rated a 7.5? :lol

http://www.cardboardconnection.com/player/cam-newton-football-cards
http://www.cardboardconnection.com/player/russell-wilson


You dumb fag, you've been carrying water for a premise that's complete bullshit :lmao

Hey idiot who was talking about 2013? How about going with....2015....ok ya dumb fuck?

Midgets, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

You do understand what winning a SB does for a QB , right? Let me guess queer, ya don't.

[The Gemini Method]

He's talking to himself again Wow. Anyhow, I'm liking what I'm seeing and not hearing from marshawn's camp...

[Avante]

According to LINDYS 2015 NFL PREVIEW, (the best in the business)

Carolina Panthers 65 points ranking. There are 12 NFC teams with a higher ranking.

The best in the league...Seattle 72, Baltimore 71.5, Indy 71.5

The worst...Jax at 61.5 and Washington, then the Raiders at 62.

[Spur-Addict]

Wow. Anyhow, I'm liking what I'm seeing and not hearing from marshawn's camp...

Oh yeah, all quiet on beast front in the off-season, just like I like it.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

He's talking to himself again
:lol do you ever have your own opinion? Bout anything?
you may be more boring than Avante himself

[Avante]

:lol do you ever have your own opinion? Bout anything?
you may be more boring than Avante himself

Yep, nothing more boring than....FACTS~~~~~~~~

[Spur-Addict]

:lol do you ever have your own opinion? Bout anything?
you may be more boring than Avante himself

http://media.tumblr.com/67bc31660939efe2c1793d19111805d3/tumblr_inline_mkdjmbMgS21qz4rgp.jpg

[Avante]

Hard to believe RW has accomplished what he has in just three seasons. Amazing young talent, so much for that old....usually takes about five years.

I do think 2015 will be his best stats season, I do think they will need to pass the ball more, do see them being behind more. I have no doubts he has the best receiving gang he's had, with Graham making a huge difference.

I do see 2015 the season RW starts to shed this..."game manager"...bullshit.

Just think no QB in....history...have won more games in their first three seasons.

[DPG21920]

Worst year for RW coming ^

[Avante]

Worst year for RW coming ^

Go ahead elaborate. Sell it.

[DPG21920]

Just a hunch.

[Avante]

Just a hunch.

So do you see rookie receiver Tyler Lockett making an impact?

[DPG21920]

He's had too much success early. If the run game takes a step back & the defense regresses at all, I can see him struggling in a more pass heavy offense. Doesn't mean he has to have a bad season - just the worst he's had statistically

[Avante]

He's had too much success early. If the run game takes a step back & the defense regresses at all, I can see him struggling in a more pass heavy offense. Doesn't mean he has to have a bad season - just the worst he's had statistically

I don't think you understand the game.

What you just desribed is why a QB has a better statiscal season. What happens in third in long because ya can't run? What happens when ya play from behind? In both scenarios, yep....pass!!!!!!!!!

RW left the NCAA as the all time passing effeicency leader, the guy can throw the ball, as we'll be seeing in 2015.

RW's passer rating second to none in three seasons.

[DPG21920]

I don't think he has the tools to succeed with more attempts. Think it could be detrimental.

[Spur-Addict]

I don't think he has the tools to succeed with more attempts. Think it could be detrimental.

Depends on Lockett, and Richardson. Richardson came on strong before blowing his knee out last season, and so far Lockett has looked really good in camp. He'll automatically assume ST duties, and has been getting work with the first team offense. Graham/Lockett/Richardson can and likely will be a good group going forward. I think the following season will be an indicator as opposed to this year due to Lockett being a rookie, Graham being in his first season with the team, and Richardson working his way back from an injury. Baldwin and Kearse will not be as primary as most people think going forward the next few years. They are more of a stop gap IMO until the other two adequately emerge.

[Avante]

I don't think he has the tools to succeed with more attempts. Think it could be detrimental.

Look at his career completion %. That doesn't send a message?

RW is a great passer, he always has been.

[Raven]

anyone expecting him to do better or the same as he has done so far, is flat out retarded.

[Spur-Addict]

anyone expecting him to do better or the same as he has done so far, is flat out retarded.

That's why I like you, you always have hard hitting analysis.

[Raven]

That's why I like you, you always have hard hitting analysis.

if there was a need for analysis, then someone arguing differently wouldn't be retarded.

[Spur-Addict]

if there was a need for analysis

There you go again, you know how to make me smile.

[Avante]

anyone expecting him to do better or the same as he has done so far, is flat out retarded.

Retarded is not undertanding what the addition of a stud TE and a dynamic rookie receiver can do for an offense. You did se what what a difference rookie receivers made in 2015, right?

Raven, I've notice you struggle at this, why not set back, relax and watch how it's done, ok?

[Raven]

Retarded is not undertanding what the addition of a stud TE and a dynamic rookie receiver can do for an offense. You did se what what a difference rookie receivers made in 2015, right?

Raven, I've notice you struggle at this, why not set back, relax and watch how it's done, ok?

what offence tbh? Wilson is going to get murdered this year.

[Avante]

what offence tbh? Wilson is going to get murdered this year.

Do you ever give any logical reasons for anything?

[Raven]

Do you ever give any logical reasons for anything?

the offensive line has been absolutely destroyed and they now have a TE that doesn't block at all.

[Avante]

the offensive line has been absolutely destroyed and they now have a TE that doesn't block at all.

I bet you can't tell me anything about one player on that line, can you?

Talk to me about...

Alvin Bailey
Justin Britt
Patrick Lewis
Russell Okung
J.R.Sweezy

[Raven]

I bet you can't tell me anything about one player on that line, can you?

Talk to me about...

Alvin Bailey
Justin Britt
Patrick Lewis
Russell Okung
J.R.Sweezy

well you aren't an under .500 betting expert for nothing..

[Avante]

well you aren't an under .500 betting expert for nothing..

Just as I thought you have no idea what you're talking about. Won over 2 grand right here in 2014.

[spurraider21]

:lol at people not thinking jimmy graham will give a big spark to their passing game

[Raven]

:lol at people not thinking jimmy graham will give a big spark to their passing game

i don't think anyone thinks that, it's more of a sum of all things

[spurraider21]

i don't think anyone thinks that, it's more of a sum of all things
What specifically has changed from last year to this year that will make them a worse passing team

[Raven]

What specifically has changed from last year to this year that will make them a worse passing team

where did i say they their passing will get worse? Nice try though.

[spurraider21]

where did i say they their passing will get worse? Nice try though.
are you always retarded?

anyone expecting him to do better or the same as he has done so far, is flat out retarded.
if he's not going to do better or the same, then the only remaining option is worse

[Raven]

are you always retarded?

if he's not going to do better or the same, then the only remaining option is worse

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[spurraider21]

fascinating

[Avante]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Not going to work Raven, you just got manhandled.

Jimmy Graham is a HUGE addition and only a fool wouldn't get that.

[Raven]

fascinating

you just admitted that passing is the most important thing a qb has to do, therefore throwing him out of the top15 picture for good and admitting he's a game manager holding down a dominant team. I intended him as a qb considering everything, starting from the wins column to the fumble and injuries..

[spurraider21]

you just admitted that passing is the most important thing a qb has to do, therefore throwing him out of the top15 picture for good and admitting he's a game manager holding down a dominant team. I intended him as a qb considering everything, starting from the wins column to the fumble and injuries..
You make zero sense. Obviously the QB is the most important figure in the passing game. Link me to one quote where I've said otherwise. You're the moron saying that wilson will be worse and then saying "i never said their passing game will be worse."

If anything YOU'RE the one implying the qb isn't the most important part of the passing game.baesd on the logic you've shown

[Raven]

You make zero sense. Obviously the QB is the most important figure in the passing game. Link me to one quote where I've said otherwise. You're the moron saying that wilson will be worse and then saying "i never said their passing game will be worse."

If anything YOU'RE the one implying the qb isn't the most important part of the passing game.baesd on the logic you've shown

well if you don't get it, i really can't defend you tbh

[spurraider21]

Weak. Though I'd have a hard time defending that abortion of an argument too

[Raven]

Weak. Though I'd have a hard time defending that abortion of an argument too

I really don't see why would i defend it, i mean according to you people, the seahawks oline was going to be better last year compared to the year before :lmao..

[spurraider21]

I really don't see why would i defend it, i mean according to you people, the seahawks oline was going to be better last year compared to the year before :lmao..
link me to that quote... and how is that even remotely related to the topic at hand? you're just deflecting

[Raven]

link me to that quote... and how is that even remotely related to the topic at hand? you're just deflecting

i don't have to, you did not deny it. It is related, they traded their all pro center, lost their far and away best guard in carpenter, had a bad draft on paper and have 0 money to spare, lost zach miller their blocking TE and are left with Unger (great if healthy) and then their most paid olineman is freaking sweezy with just above a milion, the rest is literally scrubs and picks. Considering their qb can't throw much and runs half the time, it's really hard to believe he will get through the season uninjured. Even lynch, who is not human, has to have some sort of backlash.

[spurraider21]

Carpenter was a massive draft bust. Unger is a big loss but was hurt a lot anyway. Swapping him for graham is still a net positive for their passing game imo

[SuperCam]

:lol
:lmao


Game manager 0-7 when his defense gives up 24+ points


Make that 0-8 :lmao

[SuperCam]

Make that 0-8 :lmao


0-9 :lmao

[Raven]

so how is that offensive line now? :lol

[spurraider21]

so how is that offensive line now? :lol
predictably, they're significantly worse without Unger, especially with the run blocking. Lynch has struggled to get anything going up the middle. what i've found fascinating (and said in the game thread) is that seattle dealt Unger for Graham, yet are still trying to run their offense like they did the last 2 years. when you make that drastic a move, you have to change your offense around it... and they aren't. graham hasn't really been in their gameplan in the first couple of weeks. its mind-boggling

[Raven]

predictably, they're significantly worse without Unger, especially with the run blocking. Lynch has struggled to get anything going up the middle. what i've found fascinating (and said in the game thread) is that seattle dealt Unger for Graham, yet are still trying to run their offense like they did the last 2 years. when you make that drastic a move, you have to change your offense around it... and they aren't. graham hasn't really been in their gameplan in the first couple of weeks. its mind-boggling

that's exactly the question you should be asking yourself.

[DPG21920]

Did they really trade for Jimmy and not want to use him? Or did they find out Russ might not be the type of QB that can pass like they thought and are now stuck with a guy they can't use?

[DPG21920]

He's had too much success early. If the run game takes a step back & the defense regresses at all, I can see him struggling in a more pass heavy offense. Doesn't mean he has to have a bad season - just the worst he's had statistically

Not exactly a great start for Russ. He's been ok and had some high moments, but overall with the defense and run game taking a step back, Russ hasn't been able to adequately make up for it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Did they really trade for Jimmy and not want to use him? Or did they find out Russ might not be the type of QB that can pass like they thought and are now stuck with a guy they can't use?

What's weird is that he's not even making many attempts to throw to him. Not even a jump ball

[DPG21920]

What's weird is that he's not even making many attempts to throw to him. Not even a jump ball

In the first game, he over threw him a few times to the point Jimmy sort of looked at him like "what was that". I can't believe a team as smart as the Hawks would trade an offensive lineman for Jimmy if they didn't plan to use him. I really do wonder if they are quickly finding out that Russ's skillset really isn't conducive to being a great passer in a pass heavier offense and that's why they aren't adjusting the game plan more.

It's way early and Russ has earned the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty damn curious to me.

[spurraider21]

Did they really trade for Jimmy and not want to use him? Or did they find out Russ might not be the type of QB that can pass like they thought and are now stuck with a guy they can't use?
They've had Wilson for three years. They know what he can and can't do. And there isn't a QB in the NFL that can't make throws to Jimmy Graham.

[spurraider21]

In the first game, he over threw him a few times to the point Jimmy sort of looked at him like "what was that". I can't believe a team as smart as the Hawks would trade an offensive lineman for Jimmy if they didn't plan to use him. I really do wonder if they are quickly finding out that Russ's skillset really isn't conducive to being a great passer in a pass heavier offense and that's why they aren't adjusting the game plan more.

It's way early and Russ has earned the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty damn curious to me.
not reflected in your posts tbh

[DPG21920]

They've had Wilson for three years. They know what he can and can't do. And there isn't a QB in the NFL that can't make throws to Jimmy Graham.

Disagree some. They've had him for 3 years but their game plan has always been run and throw when necessary. To get Russ on the move. There hasn't been a lot of seeing Russ sit in the pocket and be asked to throw. Do you think that their FO is dumb and wouldn't want to involve Jimmy?

[DPG21920]

not reflected in your posts tbh

How so?

[spurraider21]

Disagree some. They've had him for 3 years but their game plan has always been run and throw when necessary. To get Russ on the move. There hasn't been a lot of seeing Russ sit in the pocket and be asked to throw. Do you think that their FO is dumb and wouldn't want to involve Jimmy?
I've been curious about their game planning and have raised that concern during both weeks. It was especially evident against green Bay, when their stubborn play calling kept giving the ball to an ineffective Lynch, and they only started moving the ball and scoring in the second half when they put the ball in Wilson's had and aired it out.

It was much of the same when they gave big money to zach Miller and only used him to block

[SuperCam]

0-9 :lmao

0-10 :lmao

[SuperCam]

0-9 :lmao


Make that 0-8 :lmao


0-10 :lmao

0-11 :lmao

[Raven]

on a serious note, the team is struggling because they do not have a good corner after sherman, so they are forced to adapt, especially in the slot and sometimes sherman is guarding TEs and that means the D is now somewhat playable. Still a top 3 unit, but you now need an offense, a thing that seattle doesn't have.