Texas independence MUST happen

[boutons_deux]

If ever an epitaph were to be written for failed governments, businesses and ideologies it would be this — "It'll never happen." There are few phrases that adequately capture the human capacity for denial like this one.


http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/09/19/102017925-texas-state-flag.530x298.jpg?v=1411160182

But there is one inescapable truth that is unfolding before the eyes of the world right now. "It" never happens — until "it" does.

With Scotland's independence referendum now over, the world has had a wake up call. In a country where 10 years ago, most Scots believed that a vote on independence would never happen in 2014 — it did.

And it's been happening around the world in places where the general consensus was that it would not or could not happen. At the end of the Second World War, there were 54 recognized countries on the globe. At the end of the 20th century, there were 192. And in the 21st century, the number has grown even larger.

Attention is now on the number of nations where independence movements have been steadily, and often silently, growing for years. And no place is getting attention like Texas.

In Texas, as part of our work with the Texas Nationalist Movement, we've heard "it'll never happen" more times than we can count. But, just like in the rest of the world, it is happening right now.

Regardless of the incessant arguments from those opposed to Texas independence that center around "can't" and "won't," Texans are coming to the realization that it "can," it "will" and it "must."

Prior to the Scottish referendum becoming major global news, there were more websites, polls, blogs, and discussions dedicated to the issue of Texas independence than about Scottish independence.

Texas independence sentiment has been steadily rising over the last decade. This was highlighted in a recent Reuters poll. The question was asked, "Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the USA and the federal government?" In Texas, the numbers were surprising to some. In a state where the majority of the electorate is comprised of Republicans and Independents, among those groups, 51 percent support the independence of Texas.

Our organization, the Texas Nationalist Movement long ago surpassed every other political organization in Texas on the digital battleground — social media reach. Currently there are no other political organizations in Texas that even come close to the TNM in social media reach. Our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/texasnatmov) alone has more "LIKES" than the Republican Party of Texas, the Democratic Party of Texas,
Battleground Texas and the Libertarian Party of Texas combined. Among non-partisan organizations, like the TNM, no one comes close.

But our successes have not come solely in the digital realm. Over the last three years alone, leaders and volunteers from the TNM have hosted over 1,000 events and meetings throughout Texas to spread the message of Texas independence.

This has led to greater political involvement from supporters of Texas independence including a resolution filed in the Texas House of Representatives that redeclared Texas sovereign rights, not under the United States Constitution, but under the Texas Constitution. Local-level elected officials have come out of the shadows in support of Texas independence. Openly Texas Nationalist candidates have run for state-level offices garnering, not the usual handful of protest votes received by minor parties but, votes totaling in the hundreds of thousands.

This growth has not been entirely fueled by a reaction to the current regime in Washington, D.C. Rather, there is a sense among Texans that it's just time. Even the hero of the Texas Revolution Sam Houston, after the annexation of Texas said, "Texas will again lift its head and stand among the nations." And Texans, in increasing numbers, are believing that the time is now.

Disbelief persists in the United States that it can actually happen here. Much as the government of the United Kingdom and the people of Scotland were able to sit down like adults and have rational discourse on self-determination, it's time to start having adult conversations about the relationship between Texas and the United States because regardless of the persistence of denial, it is happening.

Commentary by Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement. He is a sixth generation Texan and has been personally involved in Texas independence advocacy since 1996.

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/09/22/texas-independence-must-happencommentary.html

heard on NPR that this asshole has a good chance of getting enough sigs to put Texas independence to a referendum. The Repugs would be helpless to stop it.
More proof that Repugs, VRWC, rightwingnuts create and live in a fantasy world, a false reality that suckers you ignorant motherfuckers EVERY TIME.

[DMX7]

I guess he's never heard of the civil war.

[boutons_deux]

I guess he's never heard of the civil war.

rightwingnuts are impervious to facts, including scientific and historical facts. Lock-step, blind ideologies and fantasies are their realities.

[DMX7]

"...reality has a well known liberal bias" - Dr. Stephen T. Colber, D.F.A

[m>s]

I guess he's never heard of the civil war.
That doesn't matter, that was in the 1860s in 2015 you can't just viciously attack the shit out of someone for peacefully exercising their right to self determination. Did the UK invade Scotland for holding their referendum? Of course not, you'd lose all legitimacy in the eyes of the international community. And Putin has said that he supports Texas secession, I'm sure China would too for meddling in their affairs.

[DMX7]

That doesn't matter, that was in the 1860s in 2015 you can't just viciously attack the shit out of someone for peacefully exercising their right to self determination. Did the UK invade Scotland for holding their referendum? Of course not, you'd lose all legitimacy in the eyes of the international community. And Putin has said that he supports Texas secession, I'm sure China would too for meddling in their affairs.

It absolutely matters. Succession in the United States is a settled issue. The supreme court has said so explicitly in Texas v. White.


The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?


The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States. When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/74/700#writing-USSC_CR_0074_0700_ZO

[m>s]

They can say whatever they want but it doesn't make it legitimate, what are they going to do attack us? They have no moral right.

[DMX7]

They can say whatever they want but it doesn't make it legitimate, what are they going to do attack us? They have no moral right.

The law and its affirmed application (via supreme court) makes it legitimate. They will replace the Texas government, blockage the state, do whatever is necessary unless the other states decide its ok for Texas to leave. "They" have moral and legal right.

[m>s]

No one has the right to take away someone's right to choose and their own self determination. They have absolutely no moral authority to use aggressive measures against peaceful people.

[m>s]

Btw blockades are an act of war and they would be starving millions of innocent people, that is unacceptable in 2015

[DMX7]

No one has the right to take away someone's right to choose and their own self determination. They have absolutely no moral authority to use aggressive measures against peaceful people.

Texas is not a person.

[m>s]

Texas is comprised of people and if the majority of them decide they want something else then it's their right to choose. A government that is willing to use violent force against its own citizenry to meet political goals should be abolished anyway. They would just show people that Texas is right to leave. This scorned woman stuff is just that, for women.

[m>s]

If Texas wants to leave all the Feds can do is with old funds and pout. No one is worried about them and their gross incompetence. They should try to hold Iraq before trying to hold Texas.

[DMX7]

Texas is comprised of people and if the majority of them decide they want something else then it's their right to choose. A government that is willing to use violent force against its own citizenry to meet political goals should be abolished anyway. They would just show people that Texas is right to leave. This scorned woman stuff is just that, for women.

Texas is a state, a political and geographic body, that entered a union and cannot leave unilaterally. That is fact. That is settled. When the confederate states succeeded, there weren't even recognized as a sovereign state by foreign governments.

I sincerely doubt violence would even be necessary or would be used.

The bigger problem for Texas succession advocates is that unlike during the Civil War, the state itself would be split quite sharply among those who don't support unilaterally leaving the union and those who do. It would be both an internal conflict and an external one. Hardly a recipe for success.

[boutons_deux]

As I've said before, TX as a nation, means USA closing all military bases, firing all federal civil service employees, pulling NASA out of Houston, zero $ for Medicaid, Medicare for TX citizens, TX citizens lose their US citizenship and passports (Happy Trails overseas, shitkickers), etc, etc.

[FromWayDowntown]

A government that is willing to use violent force against its own citizenry to meet political goals should be abolished anyway.

In a secession/independence scenario, the citizenry subjected to the hypothesized violent force by the US government would not be US citizens.

[DMX7]

In a secession/independence scenario, the citizenry subjected to the hypothesized violent force by the US government would not be US citizens.

:lol

The irony here is that they actually would be US citizens since the USA doesn't recognize unilateral sucession, but to m>s, they wouldn't be US citizens because they would be independent. So he's contradicting himself.

[boutons_deux]

and how about USA billing TX nation for all the federal highways in TX?

Texians are fucking stupid, but they're rightwingnuts, so that's par.

[m>s]

In a secession/independence scenario, the citizenry subjected to the hypothesized violent force by the US government would not be US citizens.
So then it's an illegal war waged against a foreign people

[FromWayDowntown]

So then it's an illegal war waged against a foreign people

Not if it's a declared war. Certainly your position would not be that any war entered into by the US government against foreign people is illegal per se, right?

[m>s]

Not if it's a declared war. Certainly your position would not be that any war entered into by the US government against foreign people is illegal per se, right?
Under no justification can you legally declare war against a peaceful nonaggressive people. That's in violation of international law.

[m>s]

and how about USA billing TX nation for all the federal highways in TX?

Texians are fucking stupid, but they're rightwingnuts, so that's par.
Texas is one of a handful of states who pay in more tax revenue than we get back in subsidies. We are tired of subsidizing the northern states and don't need you to build roads. We will just let you keep what we've already paid and call it even.

[ChumpDumper]

That doesn't matter, that was in the 1860s in 2015 you can't just viciously attack the shit out of someone for peacefully exercising their right to self determination. Did the UK invade Scotland for holding their referendum? Of course not, you'd lose all legitimacy in the eyes of the international community. And Putin has said that he supports Texas secession, I'm sure China would too for meddling in their affairs.


They can say whatever they want but it doesn't make it legitimate, what are they going to do attack us? They have no moral right.


No one has the right to take away someone's right to choose and their own self determination. They have absolutely no moral authority to use aggressive measures against peaceful people.


Texas is comprised of people and if the majority of them decide they want something else then it's their right to choose. A government that is willing to use violent force against its own citizenry to meet political goals should be abolished anyway. They would just show people that Texas is right to leave. This scorned woman stuff is just that, for women.

might makes right


CROFL

[DMX7]

Under no justification can you legally declare war against a peaceful nonaggressive people. That's in violation of international law.

We'll get you without declaring war.

[boutons_deux]

"Under no justification can you legally declare war against a peaceful nonaggressive people"

eg, USA invading non-threatening, peaceful Iraq for oil.

[m>s]

We'll get you without declaring war.
That sounds really peaceful of you, no one would look at that situation and think the Feds were in the wrong for sure lmao

[ChumpDumper]

That sounds really peaceful of you, no one would look at that situation and think the Feds were in the wrong for sure lmao
might makes right

[m>s]

Those are the rules and system that the U.S. Govt set in place chump, now they have to abide by them when it suits them or not. whether or not I agree with the philosophy is irrelevant. This is the world order that they chose.

[m>s]

>omg Russia is invading its neighbor
>if Texas secedes, let's invade them!

kek

[ChumpDumper]

Those are the rules and system that the U.S. Govt set in place chump, now they have to abide by them when it suits them or not. whether or not I agree with the philosophy is irrelevant. This is the world order that they chose.As mentioned above the government in place has already declared secession to be illegal and there's nothing you can do about it.

Except bitch on a message board.

[m>s]

As mentioned above the government in place has already declared secession to be illegal and there's nothing you can do about it.

Except bitch on a message board.
It doesn't matter, they're completely impotent to do anything about it if we are to secede peacefully

[m>s]

Why would anyone want to force someone to be a part of a union that they want nothing to do with anyway? Honest. Question

[DMX7]

Why would anyone want to force someone to be a part of a union that they want nothing to do with anyway? Honest. Question

I guess you've never heard of the civil war. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't matter, they're completely impotent to do anything about it if we are to secede peacefully


I guess you've never heard of the civil war. :lollol

[DMX7]

It doesn't matter, they're completely impotent to do anything about it if we are to secede peacefully

This Texas would probably dissolve as a state without a shot fired first imho....

[m>s]

Texas would dissolve as a state without a shot fired.
How? We re more equipped to be a country than most actual countries

[ChumpDumper]

How? We re more equipped to be a country than most actual countriesBut you couldn't stop cities and counties and regions from breaking away from Texas.

:cry You got no moral right. :cry

[DMX7]

How? We re more equipped to be a country than most actual countries

No we're not. These three things would contribute to it:

1) Recognition of Texas' independence by no foreign government (except maybe Russia :lol )
2) A simple blockade to disrupt the economy and create internal political turmoil
3) Succession from Texas of cities/districts/counties that lean left and want to remain part of the USA (... consider that the largest county in Austin, Dallas, Houston, El Paso and San Antonio lean left and that's bad news for Texas staying intact :lol ).

[DMX7]

:cry You got no moral right. :cry

:rollin

[m>s]

But you couldn't stop cities and counties and regions from breaking away from Texas.

:cry You got no moral right. :cry the southwest portion would immediately be sold to Mexico and the proceeds used to build a wall

[ChumpDumper]

the southwest portion would immediately be sold to Mexico and the proceeds used to build a wallThey don't want to be sold. They want to remain in the US.

:cry You got no moral right! This is the system you chose! :cry

[DMX7]

lol, and you'll need that wall to keep people from fleeing Texas or what's left of it.

[m>s]

They don't want to be sold. They want to remain in the US.

:cry You got no moral right! This is the system you chose! :cry
Then they can do so but the fence goes up. The USA can't supply it with ought violating ours or mexicos sovereignty.

[m>s]

lol, and you'll need that wall to keep people from fleeing Texas or what's left of it.
Most Texans are Texans first Americans second

[ChumpDumper]

Then they can do so but the dense goes up. The USA can't supply it with ought violating ours or mexicos sovereignty.Of course they can. You just lost everything from El Paso to Brownsville up to the Nueces River and beyond to the US.

[m>s]

Being democrat doesn't even mean that you would vote against independence

[DMX7]

Being democrat doesn't even mean that you would vote against independence

...and being a republican doesn't even mean that you would vote for it. This certainly isn't a good sign:


There hasn’t been any recent polling, but a 2009 Rasmussen Reports survey found that 31 percent of Texans say the state has a right to secede but just 18 percent of Texans would vote to secede from the U.S. if given a choice.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20121113-some-facts-and-fiction-for-texans-who-want-state-to-secede-from-u.s..ece

[ChumpDumper]

Basically a duplicate post.

The number has probably gone up because :crybama but it will go back down whenever a Republican is president again.

[Slutter McGee]

Liberals really really hate the preamble to the declaration of independence. For the record I don't support succession right now nor see myself supporting it at any point in the future. But stupid liberals think that the use of force to stop desired independence is some how the moral high ground because "slavery was so evil 150 fucking years ago" Yeah, slavery was evil, but that isn't part of the dynamic this time around.

And your "established law" argument gives you no moral high ground. Dred Scott anyone?

Frankly, its amazing how so many "peace and tolerant loving" liberals can sound so genocidal when it comes to dealing with people who disagree with them.

Slutter McGee

[ChumpDumper]

Liberals really really hate the preamble to the declaration of independence. For the record I don't support succession right now nor see myself supporting it at any point in the future. But stupid liberals think that the use of force to stop desired independence is some how the moral high ground because "slavery was so evil 150 fucking years ago" Yeah, slavery was evil, but that isn't part of the dynamic this time around.

And your "established law" argument gives you no moral high ground. Dred Scott anyone?

Frankly, its amazing how so many "peace and tolerant loving" liberals can sound so genocidal when it comes to dealing with people who disagree with them.

Slutter McGeeFrankly, it's amazing to see how many conservative Americans hate America.

[Slutter McGee]

Frankly, it's amazing to see how many conservative Americans hate America.

Frankly its amazing how many liberals don't understand that many conservatives love their country for the values it upholds, rather than simply because they were born in it. Is the left in favor of blind patriotism these days? Is "My country right or wrong" now a popular idea among liberals?

Slutter McGee

[m>s]

Frankly, it's amazing to see how many conservative Americans hate America.
It's not America anymore, America died this is some sort of zombie

[Kefka1]

Frankly, it's amazing to see how many conservative Americans hate America.

National loyalty is overrated. Especially when you consider we can go invade some country just so some Jew CEO can profit from it with the lives of thousands of soldiers. Why should I care if Halliburton's special interests are at stake? Who gives a fuck?

My motto is protect your family and your property and that's it.

[DMX7]

Liberals really really hate the preamble to the declaration of independence.


LOL... You mean this part?


"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes..."


So is Texas in a state of "absolute despostism" that the preamble cites as cause for throwing off the government?

...or is it just because Obama is president? :cry



And your "established law" argument gives you no moral high ground. Dred Scott anyone?


Unity is the essence of the Constitution. Nothing is more fundamental to its existence. The very first line reads "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union.... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

And just for the record, Dred Scott was effectively invalidated BY the constitution. Specifically, the 14th amendment (one of the three reconstruction amendments) passed as a result of the civil war.



Frankly, its amazing how so many "peace and tolerant loving" liberals can sound so genocidal when it comes to dealing with people who disagree with them.

Genocidal? Hyperbole, not facts... the hallmark of a repug.

[ChumpDumper]

Frankly its amazing how many liberals don't understand that many conservatives love their country for the values it upholds, rather than simply because they were born in it. Is the left in favor of blind patriotism these days? Is "My country right or wrong" now a popular idea among liberals?

Slutter McGee


It's not America anymore, America died this is some sort of zombie


National loyalty is overrated. Especially when you consider we can go invade some country just so some Jew CEO can profit from it with the lives of thousands of soldiers. Why should I care if Halliburton's special interests are at stake? Who gives a fuck?

My motto is protect your family and your property and that's it.lol

Why do you guys still live in the US?

Laziness?

[Slutter McGee]

So is Texas in a state of "absolute despostism" that the preamble cites as cause for throwing off the government?

Certainly moreso than the absolute "despotism" that pissed off the people who wrote that little thing.

...or is it just because Obama is president? :cry

Sure that is part of the reason some idiots want to succeed. You here this every time a democrat is in office, just like you read about liberals saying they are moving to Canada when a republican is in office. It is stupid. But I thought you were willing to discuss the concept of succession as a moral act.

If you would actually fucking read what I said you would see that I don't support actual succession, but rather the ability to do so.


Unity is the essence of the Constitution. Nothing is more fundamental to its existence. The very first line reads "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union.... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Fuck Locke, and individual and property rights. Fuck government restraint. The constitution is about Unity. Do you just make this shit up?


And just for the record, Dred Scott was effectively invalidated BY the constitution. Specifically, the 14th amendment (one of the three reconstruction amendments) passed as a result of the civil war.

That in no way invalidates my argument that the law in and of itself provides no moral justification for preventing secession. But I am glad you recognize that Supreme Court decision should be based off of the original intent of the words written and is in no way a living document.


Genocidal? Hyperbole, not facts... the hallmark of a repug.

a repug? wow boutons is really rubbing off on you. He is making you liberals dumber by the day.

Slutter McGee

[Kefka1]

Why do you guys still live in the US?


Because I have a well paying job here.

[DMX7]

Certainly moreso than the absolute "despotism" that pissed off the people who wrote that little thing.


Oh really, more than the "absolute despotism" of the people who wrote the preamble? :lol

The nature of absolute is that you can't be "more" absolute... not that Texas is under any state of despotism to begin with. You have representation in congress, you have a say in who is elected president and this state is allowed to pass state laws within the scope of the constitution that it agreed to when it joined the union.



If you would actually fucking read what I said you would see that I don't support actual succession, but rather the ability to do so.


Still wrong... and you were the one who brought up the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

The premise of preamble is that the conditions (it cites) should exist to legitimize overthrowing the government.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I have a well paying job here.:cry A man of principle :cry

[Kefka1]

:cry A man of principle :cry

thanks :tu

[ChumpDumper]

:cry This place is terrible! I'm never leaving! :cry

[Kefka1]

:cry This place is terrible! I'm never leaving! :cry

I said it's terrible? :lol Where did I say that?

How long do you want to keep this going? All night? This could be fun!

[ChumpDumper]

I was mocking generally. I can customize one for you.

:cry National loyalty is overrated. Especially when you consider we can go invade some country just so some Jew CEO can profit from it with the lives of thousands of soldiers. Why should I care if Halliburton's special interests are at stake? Who gives a fuck? I'm never leaving! :cry.

[Kefka1]

How's the weather where you're at? It got up to 101 here today.

[ChumpDumper]

How's the weather where you're at? It got up to 101 here today.I seceded, so everything is in Kelvin here.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

They can say whatever they want but it doesn't make it legitimate, what are they going to do attack us? They have no moral right.

Just like the BS you spew doesn't make it legitimate. What are you going to do attack me? You have no moral right.

[m>s]

Just like the BS you spew doesn't make it legitimate. What are you going to do attack me? You have no moral right.
Hi shlomo

[m>s]

lol

Why do you guys still live in the US?

Laziness?

because I can, I have more right than all these spics and coons

[ChumpDumper]

because I can, I have more right than all these spics and coonsNo you don't. :cryThis is the system you chose.:cry

[Clipper Nation]

I would love to see the libtards cry when Texas thrives on their own while their liberal shithole states continue to suffer from high income inequality and unaffordable housing. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/02/more-liberal-cities-have-less-affordable-housing/)

[m>s]

No you don't. :cryThis is the system you chose.:cry
I didn't choose shit, this was never the will of the people. Sieg heil.

[pgardn]

I would love to see the libtards cry when Texas thrives on their own while their liberal shithole states continue to suffer from high income inequality and unaffordable housing. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/11/02/more-liberal-cities-have-less-affordable-housing/)

This State that I have spent my whole life in would not thrive on its own.
It would not be funny watching this state spend every bit of the taxpayers money on barricading the border.

[m>s]

This State that I have spent my whole life in would not thrive on its own.
It would not be funny watching this state spend every bit of the taxpayers money on barricading the border.
If it's so bad then they'd just leave problem solved

[pgardn]

If it's so bad then they'd just leave problem solved

Who would leave?

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't choose shit, this was never the will of the people. Sieg heil.If it's so bad then you'd just leave problem solved

[Spurminator]

Certainly moreso than the absolute "despotism" that pissed off the people who wrote that little thing.


Sure that is part of the reason some idiots want to succeed. You here this every time a democrat is in office, just like you read about liberals saying they are moving to Canada when a republican is in office. It is stupid. But I thought you were willing to discuss the concept of succession as a moral act.

If you would actually fucking read what I said you would see that I don't support actual succession, but rather the ability to do so.



*SECEDE. *SECESSION.

FYI

[m>s]

If it's so bad then you'd just leave problem solved
My roots were here first. there is only one way to deal with an invasion and I'm afraid it's going to come to that.

[m>s]

Who would leave?
Well you said it would be so bad so surely people would leave on their own, no fence needed

[ChumpDumper]

My roots were here first.Nope.
there is only one way to deal with an invasion and I'm afraid it's going to come to that.What way is that?

[m>s]

Yes, my ancestors built this country and the be@ners didn't. try to spin that shit all you want but everyone knows the damn truth. If you don't like it tough shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, my ancestors built this country and the be@ners didn't. try to spin that shit all you want but everyone knows the damn truth.OK, what did your ancestors specifically do? Not just random whiteys.
If you don't like it tough shit.You didn't answer the question.

What way are you going to deal with the "invasion"?

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Yes, my ancestors built this country and the be@ners didn't. try to spin that shit all you want but everyone knows the damn truth. If you don't like it tough shit.

Chinese immigrants had a hand in it as well many other immigrants, including your ancestors.
http://www.class.uh.edu/gl/china1.htm

[JohnnyMarzetti]

I have to get up and continue building this country in the morning. Night ya all.

[boutons_deux]

A fringe movement that advocates for Texas seceding from the United States reports that 22 Republican district or county conventions in the Lone Star state successfully passed resolutions (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/texas-nationalist-movement-secession-resolutions?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link) last month calling for a formal discussion of secession at the state convention in May.

Texas GOP Chairman Tom Mechler isn’t convinced that that many conventions had approved resolutions of secession and said he “would be very surprised” if that number was correct. The Houston Chronicle reached out to GOP officials from all of the counties listed, but only ten of the counties responded to say that yes, the resolutions had indeed been passed. It will most likely be May before the count is officially confirmed.

The pro-independence activist group, the Texas Nationalist Movement (http://www.thetnm.org/), which is responsible for pushing the issue forward, has come a long way since 2012 when only one county convention passed a secession resolution.



A party committee will consider the resolutions for debate on the floor of the Texas GOP convention, which is scheduled for May 12-14. Because of the number of independence resolutions, the odds are increased that it will be approved for debate.

But don’t get too excited yet, because even if the topic does make it to the floor for debate, the idea of secession is expected to be shot down rather quickly and will likely be little more than an awkward conversation. Although the number of counties that approved secession resolutions increased substantially from 2012, it is still only a small handful of the hundreds of counties in Texas.

Just in case you were wondering, the Supreme Court ruled that states do not have the right to secede way back in 1869. Naturally, secessionists argue that the laws of a country don’t really apply anymore once a state has declared independence. This would, however, force the federal government to respond. The last time a group of states got together and decided they were seceding from the Union it didn’t work out too well for them, which is something these present-day secessionists may want to consider.

There is so far no word on what the secession of Texas would mean for Donald Trump’s yuge wall.

http://winningdemocrats.com/texas-republicans-just-voted-to-debate-seceding-from-the-united-states/

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

We all know that secession is illegal, but in practice I could see it unfolding similar to the various states breaking off from the old USSR. I'm not advocating it and I don't think it's a good idea but I also don't think the US would use force to keep Texas from leaving the Union.

[boutons_deux]

We all know that secession is illegal, but in practice I could see it unfolding similar to the various states breaking off from the old USSR. I'm not advocating it and I don't think it's a good idea but I also don't think the US would use force to keep Texas from leaving the Union.

Let TX go, and then crush TX with economic warfare.

[Mitch]

We all know that secession is illegal, but in practice I could see it unfolding similar to the various states breaking off from the old USSR. I'm not advocating it and I don't think it's a good idea but I also don't think the US would use force to keep Texas from leaving the Union.

You could count on them supplying a federalist faction if one were to manifest, though. It would be a very difficult existence if Texas ever became independent, maybe if they could have multiple states in the south go along with them it would be plausible.

[CosmicCowboy]

You could count on them supplying a federalist faction if one were to manifest, though. It would be a very difficult existence if Texas ever became independent, maybe if they could have multiple states in the south go along with them it would be plausible.

The problem obviously would be that unlike the US the new Texas would have to balance it's budget. It would need huge revenue increases to fulfill existing social obligations.

[CosmicCowboy]

You could count on them supplying a federalist faction if one were to manifest, though. It would be a very difficult existence if Texas ever became independent, maybe if they could have multiple states in the south go along with them it would be plausible.

The problem obviously would be that unlike the US the new Texas would have to balance it's budget. It would need huge revenue increases to fulfill existing social obligations.

[Mitch]

The problem obviously would be that unlike the US the new Texas would have to balance it's budget. It would need huge revenue increases to fulfill existing social obligations.

I dunno much about Texas economy, I guess a lot of oil would be the solution?

[CosmicCowboy]

They would have to increase taxes.

[tlongII]

They would have to increase taxes.

Which would be fine since you would no longer have federal income tax liability.

[boutons_deux]

Fire all 200K Federal TX employees

Close NASA Houston, all military bases, all other Federal offices, and all the civil service, supporting contractors

Transfer all SS, Medicare, Medicaid liabilities to TX nation.

Fuck the Texians real gud, y'all hear now?

[z0sa]

Anyone who thinks the federal government would allow texas to secede is retarded. There would be a straight up occupation by US military and government forces if it ever got that far, which it wont.

[CosmicCowboy]

Anyone who thinks the federal government would allow texas to secede is retarded. There would be a straight up occupation by US military and government forces if it ever got that far, which it wont.

Definitely not retarded. This isn't 1860 and they can't come in with tanks and occupy. World opinion simply wouldn't allow it.