Did I Stumble Upon Wild Cobra's Facebook?

[Blizzardwizard]

You know the anti-choice crowd have lost the debate when they begin circling in on ChumpDumper's rhetoric in an endless battle of straw man accusations and empty insults. When it gets to that point, the thread's lost.

Give it up guys :wakeup

[vy65]

In this case, pretty much.

I just wanted to know if your victimhood was gained from personal experience.

I see, it wouldn't make any sense to change the law. You're right.

Why are you so concerned about me and where my opinions come from?

[Clipper Nation]

If you have, start another thread and stop derailing this one.

:lmao:lmao:lmao The irony of this statement coming from you!!! :lmao:lmao:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I see, it wouldn't make any sense to change the law. You're right.Basically, yes.


Why are you so concerned about me and where my opinions come from?Your victimhood was very pronounced; I was just curious.

I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao:lmao:lmao The irony of this statement coming from you!!! :lmao:lmao:lmaoYou're the one who's always bitching about it -- I guess you don't really mind the derailing after all.

OK.

[vy65]

I was just curious

Why?

[Blizzardwizard]

Well that went over all your heads. Woosh.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Is a kid given for adoption due child support from the biological father?

yes it has happened.

[ChumpDumper]

Why?Because you really play the victim well.

[ChumpDumper]

yes it has happened.Is it common?

[Clipper Nation]

You're the one who's always bitching about it
You're the one who's devoted almost 100,000 posts on this website to doing it.

[ChumpDumper]

You're the one who's devoted almost 100,000 posts on this website to doing it.And now we know you're OK with it. :tu

[TheSanityAnnex]

You know the anti-choice crowd have lost the debate when they begin circling in on ChumpDumper's rhetoric in an endless battle of straw man accusations and empty insults. When it gets to that point, the thread's lost.

Give it up guys :wakeup
You know you're a fucking dipshit when three out of the four people conversing with chump are pro-choice. Enjoy another warm beer and go to sleep faggot.

[Clipper Nation]

And now we know you're OK with it. :tu

No, what we know now is that you're only okay with it when you're doing it, David.

[ChumpDumper]

No, what we know now is that you're only okay with it when you're doing it, David.But you're OK with my doing it, David :tu

[Blizzardwizard]

You know you're a fucking dipshit when three out of the four people conversing with chump are pro-choice. Enjoy another warm beer and go to sleep faggot.

Ah, you wait until now to speak, when you're in the comforting arms of your anti-choice buddies.

Where were you earlier when they were being completely annihilated? Not a fucking sound. Just like always, only ever leap in when you've got backup.

Quiet down old timer, go to sleep.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Ah, you wait until now to speak, when you're in the comforting arms of your anti-choice buddies.

Where were you earlier when they were being completely annihilated? Not a fucking sound. Just like always, only ever leap in when you've got backup.

Quiet down old timer, go to sleep.
For fucks sake you are stupid. I've been here for the last hour or so dipshit.
Vy- pro choice
spurraider- pro choice
me- pro choice
you- faggot

[Blizzardwizard]

For fucks sake you are stupid. I've been here for the last hour or so dipshit.
Vy- pro choice
spurraider- pro choice
me- pro choice
you- faggot

Evades point completely about chirping up when surrounded by buddies.

Now, go on, call me a faggot again, maybe I'll be offended this time.

[Th'Pusher]

For fucks sake you are stupid. I've been here for the last hour or so dipshit.
Vy- pro choice
spurraider- pro choice
me- pro choice
you- faggot
CN, the sole anti-choice lebertarian :lol

[Clipper Nation]

CN, the sole anti-choice lebertarian :lol

Cleveland State Law School Award :lol

[Th'Pusher]

Cleveland State Law School Award :lol
To what are you referring?

[ChumpDumper]

CN, the sole anti-choice lebertarian :lol:lol :cry Make America Great Again :cry

[vy65]

Cleveland State Law School Award :lol

Crofl former known as Cleveland Y.M.C.A. School of Technology

[Clipper Nation]

To what are you referring?

Your plagiarism, Cleveland.

[Th'Pusher]

Cleveland State Law School Award :lol
Are you so fucking stupid that you think fuzzy is my alt? Can you seriously not differentiate between our posts?

You're borderline retarded.

[Th'Pusher]

Crofl former known as Cleveland Y.M.C.A. School of Technology
You too pussy? You think fuzzy and I are the same person?

[Clipper Nation]

Are you so fucking stupid that you think fuzzy is my alt? Can you seriously not differentiate between our posts?

You're borderline retarded.

When did I say you were his alt, Cleveland?

[Th'Pusher]

When did I say you were his alt, Cleveland?
Provide me link to where I plagiarized or even referenced any article that won a Cleveland State law school award. I'll pay you $100 if you can.

[Clipper Nation]

Provide me link to where I plagiarized or even referenced any article that won a Cleveland State law school award. I'll pay you $100 if you can.
I already did last night, Cleveland. I don't need your money.

[Spurminator]

Equal to what?

Why, and how, would the law regulate something like that, Libertarian? How would they even enforce it? Do you believe the government should require a signed permission slip from the biological father before a woman can get an abortion? What if she doesn't know how to contact him?

Please outline how you believe this can be realistically enforced by the state.

Still waiting for the plan here, tbh.

[Th'Pusher]

I already did last night, Cleveland. I don't need your money.
No you didn't. Link that shit or shut the fuck up you lying fake libertarian pussy.

Godord :lol
xeer :lol

[Th'Pusher]

Still waiting for the plan here, tbh.
Fuckers' got no plan. He's not even smart enough to be considered an ideologue. Bordering on WC stupidity.

[Blizzardwizard]

While we're all lining up for responses from CN that he earlier evaded, can I have a response to this one please


Doctors get paid quite a healthy salary to do their work and provide the abortions, so of course they should have to. You Libertarians though would force a women to keep a baby even if they can not pay for the baby's care, health insurance, education etc. And I'm guessing you wouldn't pay these struggling women even a dime to look after their child, despite the fact that it was YOU who forces them to keep the baby. After you make them keep the baby, they'll be forced to ask the government for money but you won't give them any because 'the government shouldn't interfere in healthcare :cry'. This means the baby will likely die or be severely malnourished, and it'll be the the fat white Libertarian's sitting on their stacks of cash that'll blame the mother for the babies death, even though she didn't want the fucking baby in the first place.

Libertarians, they'll make the government intervene when it suits them, but as soon as people need money due to the government's intervention they'll say' fuck that, it's your problem now.'

[Th'Pusher]

Or that pussy Vy to answer this:

If a judge deems evidence inadmissible citing rape shield law, does the defense have any avenues to challenge the decision with relevant case law to cite as precedent?

These mutherfuckers refuse to answer some questions...

[Clipper Nation]

Still waiting for the plan here, tbh.

The Supreme Court overturning their fundamentally sexist decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey would have to be the first step, as those legally shield the mother from the responsibility of even informing the father of their desire to have an abortion, let alone actually discussing it. Many pro-life groups have suggested requiring the father's consent before an abortion can be done, but this would probably be politically unpopular in the present climate. As a compromise, I think the idea of a "financial abortion" for fathers early on in pregnancy is a good one.

[Clipper Nation]

No you didn't. Link that shit or shut the fuck up you lying fake libertarian pussy.

Godord :lol
xeer :lol
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251250&page=14&p=8147260&viewfull=1#post8147260

[spurraider21]

I have; it's just that nothing I've read from you has changed my conclusions based on that reasoning.
interesting because none of the policy i've discussed has had to do with changing women's pregnancy rights.

[Th'Pusher]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251250&page=14&p=8147260&viewfull=1#post8147260
So you do think I'm fuzzy? God bless you are a stupid man.

[spurraider21]

You know the anti-choice crowd have lost the debate when they begin circling in on ChumpDumper's rhetoric in an endless battle of straw man accusations and empty insults. When it gets to that point, the thread's lost.

Give it up guys :wakeup
who is anti-choice in this matter outside of CN?

[Th'Pusher]

who is anti-choice in this matter outside of CN?
:lol CN the anti-choice libertarian

and he's a fucking moron to boot.

[ChumpDumper]

interesting because none of the policy i've discussed has had to do with changing women's pregnancy rights.The reason men don't have the options women have is because they can't get pregnant.

[spurraider21]

Or that pussy Vy to answer this:

If a judge deems evidence inadmissible citing rape shield law, does the defense have any avenues to challenge the decision with relevant case law to cite as precedent?

These mutherfuckers refuse to answer some questions...
that's just you trying to tell somebody else to conduct legal research for you

[spurraider21]

The reason men don't have the options women have is because they can't get pregnant.
i never said men should have the same options women have.

i have SPECIFICALLY said several times that the choice of how to ultimately deal with a pregnancy (keep it or terminate) is solely up to the woman. what part of that aren't you getting?

[Clipper Nation]

So you do think I'm fuzzy? God bless you are a stupid man.

Nowhere in that post did I accuse you of being Fuzzy, Cleveland. Who's stupid again?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol CN the anti-choice libertarian

and he's a fucking moron to boot.

Are you actually retarded enough to think that every libertarian is anti-life, or is this just another one of your lame schticks, Cleveland?

[Th'Pusher]

that's just you trying to tell somebody else to conduct legal research for you

Fuck off. Any lawyer with his salt could answer that question. Is there ANY avenue...

a fucking humanities major can answer the question.

[spurraider21]

Fuck off. Any lawyer with his salt could answer that question. Is there ANY avenue...

a fucking humanities major can answer the question.
then it's amazing that you haven't been able to answer it yourself

[Clipper Nation]

Fuck off. Any lawyer with his salt could answer that question. Is there ANY avenue...

a fucking humanities major can answer the question.

Yet you yourself still haven't answered the question, despite claiming you had an answer to it, Cleveland. You pretend-Googled and tried to pass off skimming the thread and reading that bullshit article Fuzzy had already posted as "research."

[ChumpDumper]

i never said men should have the same options women have.

i have SPECIFICALLY said several times that the choice of how to ultimately deal with a pregnancy (keep it or terminate) is solely up to the woman.You want men to be able to opt out of any responsibility. Women can only do that because they are the ones that get pregnant.

[spurraider21]

You want men to be able to opt out of any responsibility. Women can only do that because they are the ones that get pregnant.
there are plausible ways for a man to opt out of responsibility without encroaching on the woman's rights to her body. none that are legally recognizable as of now. that is the issue i have.

[Th'Pusher]

Nowhere in that post did I accuse you of being Fuzzy, Cleveland. Who's stupid again?
You quoted me, then me, then fuzzy. Are you suggesting fuzzy was the only person who posted anything to read in that thread. Even after reading my response two posts down, where I specifically mention the poster to whom I was referring.

Shit man. You're really an unintelligent man.

[ElNono]

The Supreme Court overturning their fundamentally sexist decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey would have to be the first step, as those legally shield the mother from the responsibility of even informing the father of their desire to have an abortion, let alone actually discussing it. Many pro-life groups have suggested requiring the father's consent before an abortion can be done, but this would probably be politically unpopular in the present climate. As a compromise, I think the idea of a "financial abortion" for fathers early on in pregnancy is a good one.

That extremely unlikely to happen. It would obliterate the well-established women's right to privacy, which is recognized as a constitutional right. What arguably needs to happen is technology allowing the transplant of the fetus to another womb without killing it.

That would be a terrific solution, but likely kill the IVF business, so it might never happen, tbh...

I'm ok with the current legalese on the matter... I guess that makes me pro-choice?

[ChumpDumper]

there are plausible ways for a man to opt out of responsibility without encroaching on the woman's rights to her body. none that are legally recognizable as of now. that is the issue i have.Again, that's the risk men take. I see no problem with it. The money is for a child. It's not a fine.

[ElNono]

there are plausible ways for a man to opt out of responsibility without encroaching on the woman's rights to her body. none that are legally recognizable as of now. that is the issue i have.

There's actually a legal option, but the women would need to want to let go of the newborn too.

[Clipper Nation]

You quoted me, then me, then fuzzy. Are you suggesting fuzzy was the only person who posted anything to read in that thread. Even after reading my response two posts down, where I specifically mention the poster to whom I was referring.

Shit man. You're really an unintelligent man.
Wow, you really are that stupid, Cleveland.

After claiming that you "researched" the topic, you yourself said this:


What I found was posted in this thread.

So I quoted the only article you could have been referring to, the one that had already been torn apart earlier in the thread:


http://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1525&context=clevstlrev

This article is well annotated and thorough. It talks about major cases regarding rape shield laws in the SCOTUS and a half dozen state supreme courts.

Considering you directly responded to that post from Fuzzy yourself...


I know what the answer is. He knows what the answer is, but he's too much of a pussy to answer it, because it flies in the face of what he's been whining about.

...it's a good indication that this was the article you were passing off as the results of your "research."

You should probably a.) learn to read, and b.) don't try to blatantly lie about your own statements that are easy to find on here before calling anyone else "an unintelligent man," Cleveland.

[Th'Pusher]

then it's amazing that you haven't been able to answer it yourself
Fuck you all are stupid.

yes, the defense has avenues to challenge the decision with relevant case law to cite as precedent.


Theres your answer.

[spurraider21]

Again, that's the risk men take. I see no problem with it.
That's a shame.


The money is for a child. It's not a fine.
this was never in dispute. but excellent side point

[Spurminator]

The Supreme Court overturning their fundamentally sexist decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey would have to be the first step, as those legally shield the mother from the responsibility of even informing the father of their desire to have an abortion, let alone actually discussing it.

The decision overturned laws that forced women to notify their husbands prior to the procedure. Two of the desenting justices even agreed that piece should be overturned. If you want to bring that back, the question still stands... How do you enforce this? And then what's the NEXT step to get to where the father "has a say" as you put it? Because even with Spousal Notice, it's still ultimately the woman's decision to terminate the pregnancy.


Many pro-life groups have suggested requiring the father's consent before an abortion can be done, but this would probably be politically unpopular in the present climate.

"Politically unpopular" for good reason. You're requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term for 40 weeks if the man who ejaculated inside of her doesn't give his blessing. One hopes that the climate will always be in a place where that is unpopular, but who knows.


As a compromise, I think the idea of a "financial abortion" for fathers early on in pregnancy is a good one.

If that means the father being exempt from child support then I'm fine with that. But like I said, that's a flaw in the child support system, and those flaws can be addressed without interfering with women's dominion over their own bodies.

[Th'Pusher]

Wow, you really are that stupid, Cleveland.

After claiming that you "researched" the topic, you yourself said this:



So I quoted the only article you could have been referring to, the one that had already been torn apart earlier in the thread:



Considering you directly responded to that post from Fuzzy yourself...



...it's a good indication that this was the article you were passing off as the results of your "research."

You should probably a.) learn to read, and b.) don't try to blatantly lie about your own statements that are easy to find on here before calling anyone else "an unintelligent man," Cleveland.

ElNono hadn't posted any articles I that thread?

[ChumpDumper]

That's a shame.I disagree. I think leaving it up to the father to not "opt out" would put thousands more kids in jeopardy.

[Clipper Nation]

ElNono hadn't posted any articles I that thread?

He did, but Fuzzy's is the only one you directly acknowledged, Cleveland.

Even if you were passing off the article ElNono posted as your own "research," you still "plagiarized" by your own standards, so it's a moot point anyway.

[spurraider21]

There's actually a legal option, but the women would need to want to let go of the newborn too.
right. men don't have unilateral options

[spurraider21]

I disagree. I think leaving it up to the father to not "opt out" would put thousands more kids in jeopardy.
this is all pre-birth though. it would allow the pregnant woman to make an advised decision on how to proceed... whether it be raising the child, turning to adoption, or abortion

and i was under the understanding that aborted fetuses aren't kids yet, so there is nobody being put into jeopardy

[ChumpDumper]

this is all pre-birth though. it would allow the pregnant woman to make an advised decision on how to proceed... whether it be raising the child, turning to adoption, or abortionThat reaffirms my statement.

[Clipper Nation]

I disagree. I think leaving it up to the father to not "opt out" would put thousands more kids in jeopardy.
They're "kids" now? I thought they were still "parasitic lumps of tissue" at that point?

[Th'Pusher]

He did, but Fuzzy's is the only one you directly acknowledged, Cleveland.

Even if you were passing off the article ElNono posted as your own "research," you still "plagiarized" by your own standards, so it's a moot point anyway.
I said I read it in the thread. And Fuck. You still don't know what plagiarism is. Honest question. Do you have a college degree?

[ChumpDumper]

They're "kids" now? I thought they were still "parasitic lumps of tissue" at that point?You're at the wrong point.

[Clipper Nation]

I said I read it in the thread.

And yet you didn't cite it meticulously. Seeing as how this is somehow extremely important to you on a message board, you're a hypocrite.

[Th'Pusher]

I didn't cite what? Tell me specifically the word I used as my own, but didn't attribute in said thread.

[Spurminator]

Thing is, phasing out mandatory child support would be a lot easier if birth control were freely and easily available to all women, and if contraception and sex education were a higher priority, but those are also things conservatives oppose.

Which bolsters my opinion that this is really just about trying to prevent promiscuous sex.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Evades point completely about chirping up when surrounded by buddies.

Now, go on, call me a faggot again, maybe I'll be offended this time.
You never had a point

they aren't my buddies

they aren't anti-choice

the only thing offensive here is your stupidity

[ChumpDumper]

Thing is, phasing out mandatory child support would be a lot easier if birth control were freely and easily available to all women, and if contraception and sex education were a higher priority, but those are also things conservatives oppose.

Which bolsters my opinion that this is really just about trying to prevent promiscuous sex.Agreed. Shit, Colorado cut unwanted teen pregnancies and abortions by 40% with a sensible sex ed program and those who say they are most against abortion won't ever talk about it.

[spurraider21]

how many posts in these discussions have actually been anti abortion outside of CN?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The decision overturned laws that forced women to notify their husbands prior to the procedure. Two of the desenting justices even agreed that piece should be overturned. If you want to bring that back, the question still stands... How do you enforce this? And then what's the NEXT step to get to where the father "has a say" as you put it? Because even with Spousal Notice, it's still ultimately the woman's decision to terminate the pregnancy.



"Politically unpopular" for good reason. You're requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term for 40 weeks if the man who ejaculated inside of her doesn't give his blessing. One hopes that the climate will always be in a place where that is unpopular, but who knows.



If that means the father being exempt from child support then I'm fine with that. But like I said, that's a flaw in the child support system, and those flaws can be addressed without interfering with women's dominion over their own bodies.
To your last part yes, agreed. If the man has no say in the baby's life in either scenario...he wants/she doesn't or she wants/he doesn't, the man should at least have an option to bear no financial responsibility in the latter case. The woman is aware the baby is not wanted by the father, she can continue with the pregnancy and take sole responsibility. It makes no sense how it is now. The father wants it? Too fucking bad she is aborting. The father doesn't want it? Too fucking bad he's paying for it.

[ChumpDumper]

how many posts in these discussions have actually been anti abortion outside of CN?It's all connected, you can just look at the unwanted pregnancies there if you choose.

[ChumpDumper]

To your last part yes, agreed. If the man has no say in the baby's life in either scenario...he wants/she doesn't or she wants/he doesn't, the man should at least have an option to bear no financial responsibility in the latter case. The woman is aware the baby is not wanted by the father, she can continue with the pregnancy and take sole responsibility. It makes no sense how it is now. The father wants it? Too fucking bad she is aborting. The father doesn't want it? Too fucking bad he's paying for it.Why penalize the child who is born just because the father doesn't wanna? The father took the risk, not the child.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why penalize the child who is born just because the father doesn't wanna? The father took the risk, not the child.
The child isn't born yet, and the mother is ultimately making the decision to bring it into a world where the father doesn't want it.

[spurraider21]

Why penalize the child who is born just because the father doesn't wanna? The father took the risk, not the child.
the mother took a risk too. and if she knows she wont be able to be supported by the father, she can make her decision on how to proceed.

[ChumpDumper]

The child isn't born yet, and the mother is ultimately making the decision to bring it into a world where the father doesn't want it.So, why penalize the child who is born just because the father doesn't wanna? The father took the risk, not the child.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So, why penalize the child who is born just because the father doesn't wanna? The father took the risk, not the child.
The child isn't born yet.

[ChumpDumper]

The child isn't born yet.But the ones who are born after that are penalized because the father doesn't wanna. Why penalize the child who is born just because the father doesn't wanna? The father took the risk, not the child.

[spurraider21]

this is why options such as adoption and termination exist

[ChumpDumper]

this is why options such as adoption and termination existAnd it's why child support exists.

[spurraider21]

And it's why child support exists.
and some people here dont think the current policy is the best way to go about it

[ChumpDumper]

and some people here dont think the current policy is the best way to go about itThere's nothing stopping them from thinking that.

[spurraider21]

There's nothing stopping them from thinking that.
Right. This is a forum of discussion. And we are discussing our views.

Groundbreaking stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

Right. This is a forum of discussion. And we are discussing our views.

Groundbreaking stuff.Yep. I haven't seen anything to change my mind tho. Education will help more than effectively eliminating all male responsibility for unplanned children.

[spurraider21]

Yep. I haven't seen anything to change my mind tho. Education will help more than effectively eliminating all male responsibility for unplanned children.
I don't think those options are mutually exclusive. Do you?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think those options are mutually exclusive. Do you?I said one option is good and the other is not good. the one that is not good should be excluded.

[Splits]

this is why options such as adoption and termination exist

Such a shame your mother didn't exercise her inalienable right with the latter.

[spurraider21]

So did the woman.

If she wants to have the child, fine.

Holding the man strictly liable for sticking his dick in a woman doesn't strike me as a great stride in the direction of gender equality.
https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/10153468349284205/

so now sweden's liberal party is pushing this "male abortion" idea we were discussing here, with the man having a choice to "opt out" within the first 18 weeks. i dont like tyt for obvious reasons (the fact that they actually chose THAT name for their channel is pretty disgusting), but saw it posted on a friends feed and gave it a look

naturally if swedish liberals want to do it (and many liberals look to sweden as a shining beacon of liberalism at work), these fuckers agree wholeheartedly :lol.... they do make a valid point that sweden does a better job supporting single parents and putting them in a position to raise a kid. though i think its a safe wager that if an american repulican originally pitched this idea, tyt would flip out and call them fascist mysogynists, etc

[vy65]

Say what you will, but I totally want to opt out of the baby I put inside Anahit.

[spurraider21]

Say what you will, but I totally want to opt out of the baby I put inside Anahit.
:lol