View Full Version : Has anyone been following the Whole Kojima vs Konami thing?
apalisoc_9
07-31-2015, 12:41 AM
I grew up with Konami games tbh. MGS, Winning Eleven ( PES), Suikoden, Castlevania, Contra and many other shit.
It's sad that Konami is closing it's curtains in Video gaming..One of the most influential developer in video gaming history.
The whole fire the producer or creator kinda thing is something that Konami has been doing for years now though :lol
They fired the Suikoden dude in around 2000 while creating the third game of the series.
They Fired Igarashi from Castlevenia
and now Kojima..
Just terrible PR from Konami...they ruined their gaming department by getting rid of the people that made their IP's:lol
Their reasoning for doing it is beyond retarded too.
They want to focus on phone games. :lmao
They did Kojima raw, no doubt about it.
Hope they self destruct after MGS5. Last game I will ever buy from them shitty fucks.
apalisoc_9
07-31-2015, 02:39 AM
Their reasoning for doing it is beyond retarded too.
They want to focus on phone games. :lmao
They did Kojima raw, no doubt about it.
Hope they self destruct after MGS5. Last game I will ever buy from them shitty fucks.
funny thing is every series that they tried to continue making after firing said creator died.
Suikoden died after V
Castlevenia died after that last terrible game
and MGS will probably follow in a few years...Every MGS tittle since MGS one have been strong candidates for game of the year..no erase that, every freaking main MGS game has won multiple game of the year award..let's see if they can do the same without kojima.
They've been killing their IP's one by one.
I just wish they sell their IP's to people that actually love the games...
I realize by leaving video gaming, they're probably doing a good decision business wise..but the least they can do is give these IP's the proper resepxt they deserve.
baseline bum
07-31-2015, 11:29 AM
So does this mean the new Metal Gear Solid will be shit?
apalisoc_9
07-31-2015, 03:49 PM
Kojima worked on MGS5..Pretty sure it's going to be epic. :lol
let's see if they can do the same without kojima.
There won't be a MGS game without Kojima. No one would buy it.
Everyone's pissed at Konami as it is, they won't help them by buying their shit product.
gambit1990
08-01-2015, 01:41 PM
sony should hire kojima and give him whatever he wants.
actually, microsoft should. they'd be able to sell more units in japan.
sony should hire kojima and give him whatever he wants.
actually, microsoft should. they'd be able to sell more units in japan.
Sony is in Japan what Microsoft is here. probably even bigger, so no.
Even Kojima doesn't have that power swing.
apalisoc_9
08-01-2015, 06:54 PM
I don't know..I mean the PS4 is a bigger seller in NA than shitbox :lol
baseline bum
08-01-2015, 08:14 PM
I don't know..I mean the PS4 is a bigger seller in NA than shitbox :lol
Ubisoft released some sales numbers for 2014 and their XBox One sales could only match the XBox 360 sales for the year. :lol
Playstation 4 was something like 3 or 4 times the sales of Xbone.
apalisoc_9
08-01-2015, 08:21 PM
Ubisoft released some sales numbers for 2014 and their XBox One sales could only match the XBox 360 sales for the year. :lol
Playstation 4 was something like 3 or 4 times the sales of Xbone.
Is Microsoft even making money with shitbox? been hearing a lot of rumors in the last few months about a possible sale. Wouldn't be surprised if it happens...
What I am confident with is Nintendo leaving the hardware/console business and just focusing on their IP's game development in 10+ years..
At this point, the battle is going to be about future monopoly..I don't think the number of games or the market is big enough for three star consoles...Heck it was never big enough for Multiple consoles in terms of profit.
baseline bum
08-01-2015, 09:25 PM
Is Microsoft even making money with shitbox? been hearing a lot of rumors in the last few months about a possible sale. Wouldn't be surprised if it happens...
What I am confident with is Nintendo leaving the hardware/console business and just focusing on their IP's game development in 10+ years..
At this point, the battle is going to be about future monopoly..I don't think the number of games or the market is big enough for three star consoles...Heck it was never big enough for Multiple consoles in terms of profit.
Microsoft really screwed the pooch with Kinect, their launch price, and the always online crap. They were in a great position in the US market with the original XBox and the 360, but they fucked themselves trying to be a media center. XBox has always been horrible for that, I mean why am I paying for XBox Live Gold just to be able to access youtube or the Netflix account I'm already paying Netflix for? I'm just hoping Valve and Vulkan are finally able to take Windows out for gaming on the PC in the next few years now that Microsoft is trying to bring all that XBox Live crap to PC.
gambit1990
08-01-2015, 09:46 PM
Sony is in Japan what Microsoft is here. probably even bigger, so no.
Even Kojima doesn't have that power swing.
what?
what?
What are you not grasping?
No matter what Microsoft does will ever work in Japan. Xbox will never outsell or do halfway decent in those countries.
apalisoc_9
08-01-2015, 10:27 PM
What are you not grasping?
No matter what Microsoft does will ever work in Japan. Xbox will never outsell or do halfway decent in those countries.
He was probably questioning the idea of Microsoft being the Sony of the US from a console standpoint..mainly because Sony shits on Microsoft even in the US..
He was probably questioning the idea of Microsoft being the Sony of the US from a console standpoint..mainly because Sony shits on Microsoft even in the US..
I was just talking about brand power alone. Consoles not withstanding.
Microsoft and Gates pretty much has a lock on the computer business here.
Sony has a lock on everything electronics worldwide.
apalisoc_9
08-01-2015, 10:56 PM
I was just talking about brand power alone. Consoles not withstanding.
Microsoft and Gates pretty much has a lock on the computer business here.
Sony has a lock on everything electronics worldwide.
I don't know about Sony being a lock in the electronics department. To my knowledge, they're losing a lot of money outside of PlayStation..Samsung is really giving sony fits.
I know they've recently said they want to focus on the Playstation brand, and really that's an obvious decision since Playstation is probably their most profitable electronic hardware. I don't know how they're doing in the entertainment business, but that's another avenue.
apalisoc_9
08-03-2015, 06:13 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/troubling-konami-culture-exposed-in-new-article/1100-6429392/
New Article..
Konami :lmao
There is no way Konami survives for more than a few years.
They burned enough bridges to be completely cut off.
If they want to go mobile, they still have to sell the games to actual gamers. Even if those are casual gamers they would know what a shitty company it is.
apalisoc_9
08-04-2015, 01:05 AM
Konami is actually making more money now than ever. :lol
But in terms of Video gaming, they should be out of that market soon..
My only wish is they sell their IP's..
They Halted development Silent Hill
They Halted development of Suikoden
I'd say Konami probably was on the fence with Video games..if they had started developing these games two or three years ago, it means the Big guys probably just recently made the decision to completely go mobile and just concentrate on their more profitable business.
apalisoc_9
08-04-2015, 01:08 AM
Silent Hill is afterall their main game in the horror department and Suikoden was their go to JRPG..
Castlevenia was their adventure game
They have pretty much given up on their go to IP's tbh.
Konami is actually making more money now than ever. :lol
Not according to stock price. They're on a down spiral and declining.
apalisoc_9
08-04-2015, 02:38 AM
Not according to stock price. They're on a down spiral and declining.
They are doing just fine tbh.
Their poor PR both in Japan and North America is most likely the main culprit of the down in prices.
This shit has been going on in Konami for years now. In about 2010 is when they started to slowly distance themselves from video gaming..During 10-15, they made pro huge fits profits outside of video gaming...I'm sure they already predicted this reduction in prices in stock. Leaving a once used to be a major part of your business can be a turn off with some buyers..
DJR210
08-04-2015, 06:36 AM
I honestly haven't bought a Konami game since probably.. Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater tbh
Mikeanaro
08-06-2015, 02:30 AM
Konami is going south with that mobile strategy, as long as they release Hard Corps Uprising for PC/PS4 I dont give a fuck (I dont have too many PS3 games so it will be collecting dust)
But at the same time Im not a big fan of Hideo Koji why? because not everything in life is MGS, he had other interesting IPs to make sequels like ZOE and he kept doing MGS for years and years, I know he likes to see himself as a ¨director¨ putting his name everywhere when he is more a hipster than a programmer, but yes his games have his vision thing is Ridley Scott is not just about Alien, Verhoeven is not just Total Recall, Kubrick was not just about Clockwork Orange.
Now every one of his IPs are Konami´s property so whats next?
apalisoc_9
08-06-2015, 02:35 AM
Konami is going south with that mobile strategy, as long as they release Hard Corps Uprising for PC/PS4 I dont give a fuck (I dont have too many PS3 games so it will be collecting dust)
But at the same time Im not a big fan of Hideo Koji why? because not everything in life is MGS, he had other interesting IPs to make sequels like ZOE and he kept doing MGS for years and years, I know he likes to see himself as a ¨director¨ putting his name everywhere when he is more a hipster than a programmer, but yes his games have his vision thing is Ridley Scott is not just about Alien, Verhoeven is not just Total Recall, Kubrick was not just about Clockwork Orange.
Now every one of his IPs are Konami´s property so whats next?
Kojima is probably an a-hole, :lol
Kojima is probably an a-hole, :lol
Class act to be honest.
The Japanese take themselves serious.
Does Konami own the IP for Zone of The Enders or is that a property of Hideo? I'd be stoked if he works on making a third game.
Mikeanaro
08-06-2015, 08:14 PM
Kojima is probably an a-hole, :lol
Yes that what I think about him, his MGS games are good but he had other great series to do in this modern times, Policenauts, Snatcher, ZOE and he took years again to do MGS 4 and said that was his last MGS game, after all the delays because they had to downgrade the game graphics a bit (cell processor was not the best thing ever after all) MGS went gold and I said great now he can do other things and then the Raiden game which had downgrades too, and after that MGS 5 that was enough for me... OH WHAT IS GONNA KOJIMA DO!?!?
And I saw this
http://www.jogos2p.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Hideo-Kojima-.jpg
It was too much, man it was funny to see you in the MGS 2 locker but we know who you are stop trying to be a Pop icon.
If I want to admire a game director/producer it would be Shinji Mikami (Resident Evil, God Hand, Devil May Cry, DinoCrisis etc etc.)
DJR210
08-07-2015, 11:11 AM
Yes that what I think about him, his MGS games are good but he had other great series to do in this modern times, Policenauts, Snatcher, ZOE and he took years again to do MGS 4 and said that was his last MGS game, after all the delays because they had to downgrade the game graphics a bit (cell processor was not the best thing ever after all) MGS went gold and I said great now he can do other things and then the Raiden game which had downgrades too, and after that MGS 5 that was enough for me... OH WHAT IS GONNA KOJIMA DO!?!?
And I saw this
http://www.jogos2p.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Hideo-Kojima-.jpg
It was too much, man it was funny to see you in the MGS 2 locker but we know who you are stop trying to be a Pop icon.
If I want to admire a game director/producer it would be Shinji Mikami (Resident Evil, God Hand, Devil May Cry, DinoCrisis etc etc.)
What did you think of The Evil Within?
Mikeanaro
08-07-2015, 11:32 AM
What did you think of The Evil Within?
It will suck sadly, looks like a 2006 game but Mikami had a good run, how the hell approves that shit? :bang
EDIT:Wow, I wasnt aware that game came out in November, so yeah it must be horrible in a bad way I dont even want to download it for PC.
DJR210
08-07-2015, 11:42 AM
It will suck sadly, looks like a 2006 game but Mikami had a good run, how the hell approves that shit? :bang
EDIT:Wow, I wasnt aware that game came out in November, so yeah it must be horrible in a bad way I dont even want to download it for PC.
I've heard some good things about it, but not enough to get me to download it.. I'd rather play that Resident Evil remake that just came out.
Mikeanaro
08-07-2015, 11:47 AM
I've heard some good things about it, but not enough to get me to download it.. I'd rather play that Resident Evil remake that just came out.
This brings me memories, my last horror game was Alone in the Dark, it was ok but that last part at the park where you had to burn all those trees was stupid, 13 trees I think they cut it to 4 in the PS3 version.
The RE remake is great, I played it in my dolphin emulator a couple years ago, it really adds stuff if you have finished the original, the game is longer and it looked great, there are new characters, the shark was cute, I´ve got the new improved PC version but my 780 blew up and I dont know if it will run well using my old 5770 backup card.
Yes that what I think about him, his MGS games are good but he had other great series to do in this modern times, Policenauts, Snatcher, ZOE and he took years again to do MGS 4 and said that was his last MGS game, after all the delays because they had to downgrade the game graphics a bit (cell processor was not the best thing ever after all) MGS went gold and I said great now he can do other things and then the Raiden game which had downgrades too, and after that MGS 5 that was enough for me... OH WHAT IS GONNA KOJIMA DO!?!?
And I saw this
http://www.jogos2p.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Hideo-Kojima-.jpg
It was too much, man it was funny to see you in the MGS 2 locker but we know who you are stop trying to be a Pop icon.
If I want to admire a game director/producer it would be Shinji Mikami (Resident Evil, God Hand, Devil May Cry, DinoCrisis etc etc.)
Do you not understand how business is done? Konami probably told him to keep making them or they'll get someone else to do it.
Wouldn't you rather work on something you know you can make shine or hand it to some second rate group of people to kill the franchise you made?
Take this instance for example..
had absolutely no participation in the development of the NES version. The NES version was a pitiful title developed cheaply and simply by a small team in Tokyo. That was during the bubble economy where anything and everything that was released would sell. I came across the game in a bargain bin and tried play it, but the game design is pretty bad. There is some gameplay that includes infiltrating a base that didn't exist in the original. However, even I, the developer of the original game, was unable to infiltrate the base even once. Furthermore, being Metal Gear, it goes without saying that Metal Gear should make an appearance at the end. However, from what I've heard, due to the technically difficulties in displaying the sprite on the screen, they swapped Metal Gear out for a gigantic monitor. That made me see that whoever created the game had no sliver of appreciation for the players. However, even thought it was an abomination, it was during the bubble economy and it sold millions overseas. That title has only soiled my reputation.
I've heard some good things about it, but not enough to get me to download it.. I'd rather play that Resident Evil remake that just came out.
It's the second best horror game from last year aside from Aliens.
Mikeanaro
08-07-2015, 07:35 PM
Do you not understand how business is done? Konami probably told him to keep making them or they'll get someone else to do it.
Wouldn't you rather work on something you know you can make shine or hand it to some second rate group of people to kill the franchise you made?
Take this instance for example..
He said 4 was his last MGS, you say probably but truth is we dont know, Kojima was involved in a Castlevania game (never played the game but a friend told me is a good God of War type of game).
Some weird shit happened between both parties since the name Kojima and Silent Hill plus that room demo was success prone at least in sales.
Honestly I want other games too like Zone of the Enders with new gen graphics, MGS4 was solid snake finale and they used much of Big Boss timeline on those psp games.
One more thing, you know how ports work, they give the game to other developers and creators have no participation at all.
Mikeanaro
08-14-2015, 07:19 PM
It looks like Konami´s facility is the Shadow Moses inspiration
http://kotaku.com/sources-when-you-work-at-konami-big-brother-is-always-1724058241
But Kojima aint no Snake.
apalisoc_9
08-16-2015, 07:12 PM
yeah Konami is going down the shitter.
DJR210
08-17-2015, 12:38 AM
Best Konami game OOT IMHO:
http://s.emuparadise.org/PSX/Covers/NBA%20In%20the%20Zone%20%5BU%5D%20%5BSLUS-00048%5D-front.jpg
gambit1990
08-23-2015, 02:36 PM
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2419/3819/original.jpg?w=600&h
AlexJones
08-26-2015, 03:39 AM
I just read every single spoiler for MGSV
Kojima's reputation will never be the same after this. He might have ruined his greatest character in Naked Snake/Big Boss
I just read every single spoiler for MGSV
Kojima's reputation will never be the same after this. He might have ruined his greatest character in Naked Snake/Big Boss
Then that's one last good fuck you to Konami.
I'd do the same if it was me. Ruin every single character and leave Konami with an unworkable game.
baseline bum
08-31-2015, 11:21 PM
IGN gave this game 10/10. I wonder if it's actually worth it, or if it's a turd like GTA IV which also got 10/10.
I decided to pass on it.
A combination of disinterest, the Konami fiasco and just an overall feeling of not sure of how good this game will be with the emphasis on open world and less on the story.
I'll catch a walkthrough and see the story on youtube later...
This guy already started uploading his shit
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4vbGURud_HqFJf1DkPPZzcoFhP0aDh_w
AlexJones
09-01-2015, 10:23 PM
I'm 10 hours in, it's the best MGS by far.
DJR210
09-02-2015, 05:58 PM
I'm gonna swing by KAT in a little while and pick it up
The music on this game reminds me of GTA Vice City. :lol
baseline bum
09-02-2015, 08:42 PM
I'm gonna swing by KAT in a little while and pick it up
It uses the same DRM that Dragon Age Inquisition did, so it might be a month or two before the game is cracked.
DJR210
09-02-2015, 09:22 PM
It uses the same DRM that Dragon Age Inquisition did, so it might be a month or two before the game is cracked.
Yeah I saw that.. Denuvo or some shit
Yeah I saw that.. Denuvo or some shit
PC master race gets owned again. :lol
ElNono
09-03-2015, 03:28 AM
:lol I'm watching some of the missions on YouTube, and it's ridiculous. Dude plastered his name multiple times on every mission intro. Ridiculous.
:lol I'm watching some of the missions on YouTube, and it's ridiculous. Dude plastered his name multiple times on every mission intro. Ridiculous.
Who did you watched? MKfire? :lol
ElNono
09-03-2015, 12:25 PM
Who did you watched? MKfire? :lol
yeah
apalisoc_9
09-03-2015, 12:54 PM
damn Kojima and his team with payback. :lol
It's important to remember this isn't just one person vs konami..This is kojima production and his 200 stuff vs Konami.
DJR210
09-03-2015, 05:07 PM
This game looks like Red Dead meets Splinter Cell from the streams I saw..
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