Team by team Alpha Male role call

[SuperCam]

Note: Jump shooting/chucking faggots doesn't make someone an alpha male. Being an asshole doesn't make someone an alpha male if he's not making his teammates better. Alpha males don't have to be the best player on a team. Not every team has an alpha male. Some rooks are alpha males based on college, until proven otherwise.

Without further ado

BOSTON:
Marcus Smart

BROOKLYN:
Joe Johnson

NEW YORK:
(none)

PHILADELPHIA:
Jahlil Okafor

TORONTO:
(none)

CHICAGO:
Jimmy Butler
Joakim Noah

CLEVELAND:
Kyrie Irving
LeBron James
Matthew Dellavedova

DETROIT:
Steve Blake

INDIANA:
George Hill

MILWAUKEE:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

ATLANTA:
(none)

CHARLOTTE:
(none)

MIAMI:
Chris Andersen
Dwyane Wade
Justise Winslow

ORLANDO:
(none)

WASHINGTON:
Bradley Beal

DALLAS:
Dirk Nowitzki

HOUSTON:
Trevor Arizia
KJ McDaniels

MEMPHIS:
Tony Allen
Mike Conley
Zack Randolph

NEW ORLEANS:
Anthony Davis

SAN ANTONIO:
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili

DENVER:
(none)

MINNESOTA:
Gorgui Deng
Kevin Garnett
Tyus Jones

OKLAHOMA CITY:
Serge Ibaka
Russell Westbrook

PORTLAND:
(none)

UTAH:
Rudy Gobert

GOLDEN STATE:
Draymond Green
Andre Igoudala

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS:
Chris Paul
Paul Pierce

LOS ANGELES LAKERS:
(none)

PHOENIX:
Tyson Chandler

SACRAMENTO:
Willie Cauley-Stein




So many teams with nothing but Betafaggots on them.

[Thread]

I'll boiled it down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[SuperCam]

^^ faggots who push out all time great big men -- plural -- and who rape and then get exposed without said bigs are not meeting the definition of Alpha, i'm afraid.

[Thread]

^^ faggots who push out all time great big men -- plural -- and who rape and then get exposed without said bigs are not meeting the definition of Alpha, i'm afraid.

Then you won't mind...

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[jeebus]

LeBron James


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[SuperCam]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Oh, the way one can extoll on King James

-Redeemed himself from the 2011 betafaggotry by dragging the 2013 shitass Heat -- injuries to all the other alpha players except Battier -- to become the only player to dominate the SPURS in the finals, two years running really but his shitass teammates were so bad outside of him by 2014 it didn't matter, hence failing to make the playoffs in the year after.

- Drags any team he's on to the finals even when his second best player is a white 3rd stringer.

- Coaches and GMs for his team and actually does a good job

- Makes his teammates better; stars want to play with him

- Stands up to the jewry of Stern and Silver trying to put the black man in their place, unlike many of the leagues uncle toms

- doesn't rape or pretend to be a fake alpha by yelling a lot

-changed the way in which players negotiate contracts and free agency. these actions which include the 2010 decision pissed off a lot of whites and jews who didn't like the natural order.

[jeebus]

Oh, the way one can extoll on King James

-Redeemed himself from the 2011 betafaggotry by dragging the 2013 shitass Heat -- injuries to all the other alpha players except Battier -- to become the only player to dominate the SPURS in the finals, two years running really but his shitass teammates were so bad outside of him by 2014 it didn't matter, hence failing to make the playoffs in the year after.

- Drags any team he's on to the finals even when his second best player is a white 3rd stringer.

- Coaches and GMs for his team and actually does a good job

- Makes his teammates better; stars want to play with him

- Stands up to the jewry of Stern and Silver trying to put the black man in their place, unlike many of the leagues uncle toms

- doesn't rape or pretend to be a fake alpha by yelling a lot

-changed the way in which players negotiate contracts and free agency. these actions which include the 2010 decision pissed off a lot of whites and jews who didn't like the natural order.

- lets Delonte bang his mom the entire time he was in Cleveland

- couldn't hack it being the go to guy, begs Wade to take a pay cut so he could join

- begged Bosh to take a bigger role so he wouldn't have to

- went back to Cleveland, taking a house niggger role to Thunder Dan

- is a shitty "coach" and GM, had no business being in the finals last year and got there by pure luck

- made Love better by having his stats go down, made Irving better by still being a chucker, made Smith better by still being a chucker, and made Shumpert better by overrating his ass

- is terrified of the western conference and stays in the east since it's pretty much a cakewalk to the finals

[djohn2oo8]

- lets Delonte bang his mom the entire time he was in Cleveland

- couldn't hack it being the go to guy, begs Wade to take a pay cut so he could join

- begged Bosh to take a bigger role so he wouldn't have to

- went back to Cleveland, taking a house niggger role to Thunder Dan

- is a shitty "coach" and GM, had no business being in the finals last year and got there by pure luck

- made Love better by having his stats go down, made Irving better by still being a chucker, made Smith better by still being a chucker, and made Shumpert better by overrating his ass

- is terrified of the western conference and stays in the east since it's pretty much a cakewalk to the finals
Jeebus knocking niggas dead like Ivan Drago.

[Clipper Nation]

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS:
Chris Paul
:lmao

[rogues]

:lol Lebron is literally the only reason an Eastern conference exists. He IS the Eastern Conference.

[rogues]

BTW, OP is a..

[hater]

:lmao at Ginobili on that list

Why not go ahead and include every NBA dinosaur that was halfway decent at some point like Andre Miller, Kobe, Jason Terry and Vince Carter :lol

[hater]

Spurs alpha male is Pop and nobody else comes even close.

[daslicer]

OP is a retarded poster but then again we know he's a certain Cat poster in disguise.

[SuperCam]

- lets Delonte bang his mom the entire time he was in Cleveland

- couldn't hack it being the go to guy, begs Wade to take a pay cut so he could join

- begged Bosh to take a bigger role so he wouldn't have to

- went back to Cleveland, taking a house niggger role to Thunder Dan

- is a shitty "coach" and GM, had no business being in the finals last year and got there by pure luck

- made Love better by having his stats go down, made Irving better by still being a chucker, made Smith better by still being a chucker, and made Shumpert better by overrating his ass

- is terrified of the western conference and stays in the east since it's pretty much a cakewalk to the finals


- Spurstalk TMZ faggotry crew :lol

- Carried broken ass wade every year after 2012 who couldn't make playoffs without him :lol

- Bosh the betapussy who scored 0 in finals games :lol

- Made Gilbert kiss his ass before returning and prostrate himself in public :lol Forces the jew to spend 100 million in luxury tax :lol

- Recruited a bunch of castoffs from New york and turned them into a 33-3 team :lol

- Got Love to NBA finals after he never made playoffs before. Irving became third team all NBA. Smith/Shumpert key rotation players on final teams that LeBron got for nothing from Phil Jackson :lol

- Beat the 2013 Spurs with a broken team when none of West could :lol Was better than every team in the west and still stole two from GS missing #2 and #3 players :lol Dominant record vs. Western teams after January with full roster :lol


:lmao

Chris Paul beat the same dominant Spurs team after Griffin pussied out in 4th quarters. Dominates both end of floor, and dragged head cases like DJordan and Matt Barnes into Spursbeaters at their respective positions :tu


:lol Lebron is literally the only reason an Eastern conference exists. He IS the Eastern Conference.

Truth. East would literally have 0 final series wins since Celtics 2008, and literally 0 finals game wins at all since 2012 if not for King James :wow


:lmao at Ginobili on that list

Why not go ahead and include every NBA dinosaur that was halfway decent at some point like Andre Miller, Kobe, Jason Terry and Vince Carter :lol


2004 Gold Medalist over Duncan's bronze failure. No 2005 ring for Spurs over Detroit without Manu. Don't even get to 2013 finals without Manu saving Spurs against Warriors. :tu


Terry would have made it if not for becoming a ring chasing faggot.


Vince Quitter :lmao Another UNC scumbag who quit on two teams in his prime :nope

[Kool Bob Love]

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[K...]

There are too many betas in ops list. Gino is too nice. Ibaka is the spurs bitch. Kg is a retarded dinosaur. Draymond green is fake. Nice try op, but basketball is a skilled sport and alpha males.don't really have an advantage.

[tatteredprince]

after this season:

Greatest Power Forward of All Time Tim Duncan: 6 Championships and counting!!!

Kobe Bryant: stuck forever at five asterisks

and thats the bottomline!

[tatteredprince]

HERE ARE THE FIFTEEN GREATEST ALPHA MALES IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL:

Chamberlain
Olajuwon
Bird
Magic
Jordan

Sabonis
Duncan
James
Thomas
Ginobili

Shaq
Russell
Nowitzi
Schmidt
Robertson


Indubitably folks. Indubitably.

[SuperCam]

Schmidt? It ain't alpha at all ducking the best comp in the world.. nah.

I'd put West on there instead.

[tatteredprince]

did you watch him??

watch him first before you judge

[Mori Chu]

LOS ANGELES LAKERS:
Jeannie Buss

[hater]

Becky Jamon ftw tbh

[RD2191]

OP and his 20th alt. Fucking faggot.

[ambchang]

HERE ARE THE FIFTEEN GREATEST ALPHA MALES IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL:

Chamberlain
Olajuwon
Bird
Magic
Jordan

Sabonis
Duncan
James
Thomas
Ginobili

Shaq
Russell
Nowitzi
Schmidt
Robertson


Indubitably folks. Indubitably.

Chamberlain was beta in the world of alphas. He had the immense talent, but would wilt (no pun intended) during the pressure moments. Russell on the other hand was a true alpha on a team with 8 HoFers. He played mind games on Chamberlain and bested him in the W-L columns (having superior teammates helped).

Olajuwon's pouting in the late 80s, in the face of adversary, takes some luster off of his alpha status. He was really never that much of an alpha to begin with. I mean, what has he never done to deserve the top alpha group status?

Shaq was pure beta, Fisher was the alpha on those teams.

James has this beta personality about him.

Schmidt didn't have to guts to play against better competition, pure alpha.

Robertson whined and bitched the last 6 decades about some recognition, and trying to put down newer players. Only betas can be this insecure.

[djohn2oo8]

Olajuwon's pouting in the late 80s, in the face of adversary, takes some luster off of his alpha status. He was really never that much of an alpha to begin with. I mean, what has he never done to deserve the top alpha group status?

Shaq was pure beta, Fisher was the alpha on those teams.

James has this beta personality about him.

Schmidt didn't have to guts to play against better competition, pure alpha.

Robertson whined and bitched the last 6 decades about some recognition, and trying to put down newer players. Only betas can be this insecure.

You mean, besides making Robinson his bottom bitch, beating Shaq, one on one while being the primary defender. (No help like Duncan had). Kept Malone and Stockton, also Barkley and Ewing ringless. Ans was pretty dominant against the McHale/Parish frontline.

[Killakobe81]

Spurs alpha male is Pop and nobody else comes even close.

THIS.

[ambchang]

You mean, besides making Robinson his bottom bitch, beating Shaq, one on one while being the primary defender. (No help like Duncan had). Kept Malone and Stockton, also Barkley and Ewing ringless. Ans was pretty dominant against the McHale/Parish frontline.

None of that makes him an alpha.

Alpharism has everything to do with attitude and how a team is led rather than how talented a player is. Otherwise, Wilt would have been an alpha as well, Lebron would have been one of the greatest alphas of all time.

And funny how you talk about no help and how Hakeem beat Robinson. The irony.

[Killakobe81]

What a shitty thread the Duncan, Robinson and Dream talk is only semi redeeming factor ...

[Killakobe81]

None of that makes him an alpha.

Alpharism has everything to do with attitude and how a team is led rather than how talented a player is. Otherwise, Wilt would have been an alpha as well, Lebron would have been one of the greatest alphas of all time.

And funny how you talk about no help and how Hakeem beat Robinson. The irony.

Fisher was the leader of the Lakers but was still not the "alpha" ...
I think Phil ultimately was the alpha of the 3peat Lakers

I think because Pop was so dominant Duncan was the quiet leader and Mnau the fire one but neither was the alpha it was ALL Pop. Coaches like Pop, PJ, Hoody have more clout on their title teams then their star players did.

Notice all 3 have disdain for the media but PJ wa sthe one to use it most/best to play his mind-games ...

[djohn2oo8]

None of that makes him an alpha.

Alpharism has everything to do with attitude and how a team is led rather than how talented a player is. Otherwise, Wilt would have been an alpha as well, Lebron would have been one of the greatest alphas of all time.

And funny how you talk about no help and how Hakeem beat Robinson. The irony.
Going back to back after being accused publicly by the organization of faking his injury is alpha. Dream destroyed Robinson so bad that no one outside of spurfan remembers how good he was.

[PingPong]

- lets Delonte bang his mom the entire time he was in Cleveland

WTF? So you control your mother's relationships?

[Clipper Nation]

OP is a retarded poster but then again we know he's a certain Cat poster in disguise.

[SuperCam]

CROFL insecure Spursfan pretending James isn't mega alpha. You cite his use of passive aggressive media but he's always used the media masterfully as a tool for his tactical mind games he plays to elevate his teammates and it almost always works. He had one betapussy series back in 2011 but you can find a bad series from almost every player at some point.


more than any player in the history of the NBA except perhaps the great Bill Russell, King James has stood up against the White Jew power structure that for decades has tried to put the black man in his place. First he showed his peers that just because the casual white fan with a plantation mentality thinks it's bad for you to get uppity and switch teams on your terms, doesn't mean you should give in. These jews don't own you; they are simply your employers but stars have the leverage. Meanwhile a year or two later Dwert the pedobeta caves under the pressure and signs an extension before pouting his way out in an act of pussydom. And not only did King James buck the white man twice, he did it to renowned Alpha Pat Riley, who had always gotten his way. King James is now the Coach, GM, and defacto owner as he forces Gilbert to spend hundreds of millions in Tax and kiss his ass in the process, in addition to getting the contract that he wants, when he wants. He has taken ultimate control back for the players. He paved the way for LaMarcus to leave, and KD next year.


Unlike MJ the supposed mega alpha who cowered at the thought of upsetting the white republican establishment just because of shoes, King James has never been afraid to speak up.


I salute you, King James :worthy:

[ambchang]

Fisher was the leader of the Lakers but was still not the "alpha" ...
I think Phil ultimately was the alpha of the 3peat Lakers

I think because Pop was so dominant Duncan was the quiet leader and Mnau the fire one but neither was the alpha it was ALL Pop. Coaches like Pop, PJ, Hoody have more clout on their title teams then their star players did.

Notice all 3 have disdain for the media but PJ wa sthe one to use it most/best to play his mind-games ...

Well, if you define it that way, great coaches are pretty much always the alphas.

Pop, Riley, Jackson, Daly, but they need that extension on the court as well, and that is where Duncan, Magic/Jabbar/Lebron, Jordan/Fisher, and Thomas comes in.

As for Jackson and the media, it works for a while, but it starts to become disingenuous after a while, and it worked because he was with Jordan and then the Shaq Lakers. Didn't work that well when his team wasn't the darling of the league when all the peripherals, media included, were eating out of his hand.

[ambchang]

Going back to back after being accused publicly by the organization of faking his injury is alpha. Dream destroyed Robinson so bad that no one outside of spurfan remembers how good he was.

Going b2b after management got the perfect team and system around him, you mean.

Again, that has nothing to do with being an alpha.

If so, Lebron would be an alpha after what he went through leaving Cleveland, then winning b2b.

And yeah, when Hakeem's team struggled, it was because they had bad teams, but when Robinson lost in a single series, it was because he was inferior :cry.

[djohn2oo8]

Going b2b after management got the perfect team and system around him, you mean.

Again, that has nothing to do with being an alpha.

If so, Lebron would be an alpha after what he went through leaving Cleveland, then winning b2b.

And yeah, when Hakeem's team struggled, it was because they had bad teams, but when Robinson lost in a single series, it was because he was inferior :cry.

1. What does that have to do with anything? He rang with a shitty team the year before.

2. Though LeBron left his team, going back to back is hard. Duncan should know about that more than anyone considering he has had 5 tries.

3. Now you're just rambling about nothing.

[Killakobe81]

Well, if you define it that way, great coaches are pretty much always the alphas.

Pop, Riley, Jackson, Daly, but they need that extension on the court as well, and that is where Duncan, Magic/Jabbar/Lebron, Jordan/Fisher, and Thomas comes in.

As for Jackson and the media, it works for a while, but it starts to become disingenuous after a while, and it worked because he was with Jordan and then the Shaq Lakers. Didn't work that well when his team wasn't the darling of the league when all the peripherals, media included, were eating out of his hand.

LeBron was the alpha of both his title teams despite what his detractors say ...
Same with Hakeem despite Rudy T's speech ....

I think alpha is as much about personality and will. Kobe has the will but lacks the personality same with timmy though Timmy's perona seems a lot more relatable. I think Ray Lewis another sport) was the alpha of the Ravens when they won Super Bowls. It's not ALWAYS the coach ... but i do think Coughlin was the leader for the Giants (but only because Strahan supported it)and Carroll for the Seahawks and Sean P for the Saints ...

Players become alpha for the franchise when their force of will is greater than the coach or if the coach lacks the ability to force their will ...Tim nor Kobe never had that because their coaches run their ships ...

PJ unfortunately allows shit to blow up though so PJ is better at media but shittier with lockerrooms players have foughtm public feuds in ALL of PJ's stops while Pop seems to really develop family

[ambchang]

1. What does that have to do with anything? He rang with a shitty team the year before.

Hey, thanks for totally putting players like Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Mad Max, Mario Elie and Otis Thorpe in their place. Sure they aren't the greatest players of all time, but their contribution, and their particular skill sets (space the floor, open up the middle, shoot 3s) was perfectly suited for Hakeem's game.


2. Though LeBron left his team, going back to back is hard. Duncan should know about that more than anyone considering he has had 5 tries.

:cry, Duncan didn't get b2b, but Lebron and Hakeem did, so going b2b must be a sign of being an alpha :cry


3. Now you're just rambling about nothing.

You introduced the idea of Hakeem struggling because of bad teams.
You then used Hakeem vs. Robinson as an individual battle without mention teammates.
You were the one to introduced all of this.
Then you, somehow, somewhere, started talking about b2b.
And I am the one rambling?

[ambchang]

LeBron was the alpha of both his title teams despite what his detractors say ...
Same with Hakeem despite Rudy T's speech ....

By your definition, Riley and Rudy were the alphas. I know you had a thing against Rudy T because of that horrible half season where he was exhausted from coaching Kobe to play team ball, but you can't just change midstream and start giving credit to Hakeem and take it away from Rudy T ag


I think alpha is as much about personality and will. Kobe has the will but lacks the personality same with timmy though Timmy's perona seems a lot more relatable. I think Ray Lewis another sport) was the alpha of the Ravens when they won Super Bowls. It's not ALWAYS the coach ... but i do think Coughlin was the leader for the Giants (but only because Strahan supported it)and Carroll for the Seahawks and Sean P for the Saints ...

Duncan was clearly the leader on the court throughout these years. He encourages teammates, calls them out, points them to defensive positions, talk to them, etc .... He has the personality, he has the will. But no, I don't see him as that Russell Jordan Thomas alpha personality.


Players become alpha for the franchise when their force of will is greater than the coach or if the coach lacks the ability to force their will ...Tim nor Kobe never had that because their coaches run their ships ...

Or because Duncan and Pop were always on the same page, because they want some credibility and (you guessed it) classiness in their organization.

Kobe wanted to be the alpha badly, but his grating personality alienated too many people and his agenda was clearly to put himself above the team, so players couldn't relate to or respect him.


PJ unfortunately allows shit to blow up though so PJ is better at media but shittier with lockerrooms players have foughtm public feuds in ALL of PJ's stops while Pop seems to really develop family

I would argue Jackson fosters that locker room feud and introduce this one-ups-manship to get the best out of his players. It works for a short period of time, but it eventually comes to a head, players are sick of it (Shaq, Kobe, Pau) and they stop listening.

[DJR210]

Note: Jump shooting/chucking faggots doesn't make someone an alpha male. Being an asshole doesn't make someone an alpha male if he's not making his teammates better. Alpha males don't have to be the best player on a team. Not every team has an alpha male. Some rooks are alpha males based on college, until proven otherwise.

SAN ANTONIO:
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili


:lol

David West is about the closest to Alpha you're gonna get on the Spurs

[Killakobe81]

By your definition, Riley and Rudy were the alphas. I know you had a thing against Rudy T because of that horrible half season where he was exhausted from coaching Kobe to play team ball, but you can't just change midstream and start giving credit to Hakeem and take it away from Rudy T ag



Duncan was clearly the leader on the court throughout these years. He encourages teammates, calls them out, points them to defensive positions, talk to them, etc .... He has the personality, he has the will. But no, I don't see him as that Russell Jordan Thomas alpha personality.



Or because Duncan and Pop were always on the same page, because they want some credibility and (you guessed it) classiness in their organization.

Kobe wanted to be the alpha badly, but his grating personality alienated too many people and his agenda was clearly to put himself above the team, so players couldn't relate to or respect him.



I would argue Jackson fosters that locker room feud and introduce this one-ups-manship to get the best out of his players. It works for a short period of time, but it eventually comes to a head, players are sick of it (Shaq, Kobe, Pau) and they stop listening.

always focusing on Kobe ...smh

[ambchang]

always focusing on Kobe ...smh

For the record, you brought Kobe in the discussions .... again.

[SuperCam]

smh how did I forget my nig Marcus Smart. Standing up to that TTech klan member :tu

[Killakobe81]

For the record, you brought Kobe in the discussions .... again.

It was an example he was not the subject ...in fact he was a throwaway example at the end ...but you see his name you cannot help yourself ... again.

And i wont go in to how wrong you are about team-mates not respecting him but it wont matter you dont care about truths that dont fit your agenda and I dont care to defend him here.

I agree that he is not the alpha and neither was Tim ...doesnt make either any less great this is just more Spurstalk nonsense.

[ambchang]

It was an example he was not the subject ...in fact he was a throwaway example at the end ...but you see his name you cannot help yourself ... again.

Buddy, you named him twice in the same post, and I addressed those two instances directly.


LeBron was the alpha of both his title teams despite what his detractors say ...
Same with Hakeem despite Rudy T's speech ....

I think alpha is as much about personality and will. Kobe has the will but lacks the personality same with timmy though Timmy's perona seems a lot more relatable. I think Ray Lewis another sport) was the alpha of the Ravens when they won Super Bowls. It's not ALWAYS the coach ... but i do think Coughlin was the leader for the Giants (but only because Strahan supported it)and Carroll for the Seahawks and Sean P for the Saints ...

Players become alpha for the franchise when their force of will is greater than the coach or if the coach lacks the ability to force their will ...Tim nor Kobe never had that because their coaches run their ships ...

PJ unfortunately allows shit to blow up though so PJ is better at media but shittier with lockerrooms players have foughtm public feuds in ALL of PJ's stops while Pop seems to really develop family


And i wont go in to how wrong you are about team-mates not respecting him but it wont matter you dont care about truths that dont fit your agenda and I dont care to defend him here.

What is the truth? How would you have the truth? All I know is all the mudslinging he did to marginal players, there was a published book from his HoF coach talking about how unapproachable and uncoachable he is, but yeah, you focus on nothing but the truth.


I agree that he is not the alpha and neither was Tim ...doesnt make either any less great this is just more Spurstalk nonsense.

Don't drag Tim into this cesspool of Kobe. Duncan supports his teammates, sacrifices for the team and teammates appreciate that. Kobe didn't have any notable instances where he actually did any of that.

[Killakobe81]

Buddy, you named him twice in the same post, and I addressed those two instances directly.





What is the truth? How would you have the truth? All I know is all the mudslinging he did to marginal players, there was a published book from his HoF coach talking about how unapproachable and uncoachable he is, but yeah, you focus on nothing but the truth.



Don't drag Tim into this cesspool of Kobe. Duncan supports his teammates, sacrifices for the team and teammates appreciate that. Kobe didn't have any notable instances where he actually did any of that.

Whatever Amb, like i said if it helps you feed your ego, you win. I stand by my point that Pop and PJ were the alphas of their team ...feel free to talk about Kobe some more if it helps you as well ...

[djohn2oo8]

Hey, thanks for totally putting players like Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Mad Max, Mario Elie and Otis Thorpe in their place. Sure they aren't the greatest players of all time, but their contribution, and their particular skill sets (space the floor, open up the middle, shoot 3s) was perfectly suited for Hakeem's game.



:cry, Duncan didn't get b2b, but Lebron and Hakeem did, so going b2b must be a sign of being an alpha :cry



You introduced the idea of Hakeem struggling because of bad teams.
You then used Hakeem vs. Robinson as an individual battle without mention teammates.
You were the one to introduced all of this.
Then you, somehow, somewhere, started talking about b2b.
And I am the one rambling?

:lol that 93-94 season, Vernon Maxwell shot 38% overall and 29% from three. In the playoffs, 37% and 32% from three. Cassell during the season shot 41% overall, and 29% from three. Elie in regular season shot 44% overall, and 33% from three. Horry shot 32% from the in the regular season. In the playoffs, Elie shot 31% from three and Maxwell 32%. They had 3 reliable three point shooters. So no, that team was not stacked with 3 point shooters.

And I mentioned Hakeem vs David because Hakeem destroyed Robinson one on one. Got it?

Ambchang on Duncan getting outplayed by Parker and Ginobli in two different finals in his prime, ":cry But it was for the Fucking team. Alphashitttttt :cry"

[ambchang]

:lol that 93-94 season, Vernon Maxwell shot 38% overall and 29% from three. In the playoffs, 37% and 32% from three. Cassell during the season shot 41% overall, and 29% from three. Elie in regular season shot 44% overall, and 33% from three. Horry shot 32% from the in the regular season. In the playoffs, Elie shot 31% from three and Maxwell 32%. They had 3 reliable three point shooters. So no, that team was not stacked with 3 point shooters.

Fisher was the leader of the Lakers, and he sucked. Do you understand? Being the best player on a team doesn't mean being the alpha. Lebron wasn't an alpha, Dwight Howard wasn't an alpha, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't an alpha, got it?


And I mentioned Hakeem vs David because Hakeem destroyed Robinson one on one. Got it?

Yes, they played a one on one game when Hakeem shone and his competition struggled, but if it was the other way around, it was Hakeem had bad teammates, or better yet, the other team played illegal defense.

Hakeem always wins, everything he loses, it's because of his teammates, it's because the other guys don't play fair :cry.


Ambchang on Duncan getting outplayed by Parker and Ginobli in two different finals in his prime, ":cry But it was for the Fucking team. Alphashitttttt :cry"

Are you serious? :lol, Duncan was outplayed by Parker and Ginobili in two finals in his prime? One of them he won the FMVP, played on sprained ankles, and outscored and outrebounded the best defensive frontline on his his own, and the other one when he was the anchor of the entire Spurs offense and defense?

You grasping at straws make you look even stupider than you have been, and your trolling is absolutely appalling.

[djohn2oo8]

Fisher was the leader of the Lakers, and he sucked. Do you understand? Being the best player on a team doesn't mean being the alpha. Lebron wasn't an alpha, Dwight Howard wasn't an alpha, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't an alpha, got it?

Yes, they played a one on one game when Hakeem shone and his competition struggled, but if it was the other way around, it was Hakeem had bad teammates, or better yet, the other team played illegal defense.

Hakeem always wins, everything he loses, it's because of his teammates, it's because the other guys don't play fair :cry.



Are you serious? :lol, Duncan was outplayed by Parker and Ginobili in two finals in his prime? One of them he won the FMVP, played on sprained ankles, and outscored and outrebounded the best defensive frontline on his his own, and the other one when he was the anchor of the entire Spurs offense and defense?

You grasping at straws make you look even stupider than you have been, and your trolling is absolutely appalling.

So Duncan wasn't in his prime in 05 and 07? :lmao ambchang

[ambchang]

So Duncan wasn't in his prime in 05 and 07? :lmao ambchang

Can you not read, retarded, or both?

[djohn2oo8]

Dream was the best player on the team and when it counted. Shittychang :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Can you not read, retarded, or both?

He was outplayed by Ginobli in 05. Ginobli was much more efficient. :lol

[ambchang]

He was outplayed by Ginobli in 05. Ginobli was much more efficient. :lol

Hakeem was outplayed by Carl Herrera in 94 vs. the Knicks, Herrera was much more efficient.

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Hakeem was outplayed by Carl Herrera in 94 vs. the Knicks, Herrera was much more efficient.

Mornin', Shits.

[ambchang]

Mornin', Shits.

It's none of your business. Go latch on to Pau some more.

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Mornin', Shits.

[ambchang]

You follow me around a lot lately, and with zero content to boot. What's up?

You enjoy people reminding you of you pre-Pau Suns days?

[djohn2oo8]

Hakeem was outplayed by Carl Herrera in 94 vs. the Knicks, Herrera was much more efficient.

What's funny is in one thread you devalue winning back to back. And in another you credit Pau Gasol as the leader of that back to back Lakers team, and in another thread you credit Derek Fisher as the leader. In Kobe threads, you are happy to bring up the metrics and shooting percentages when he is outplayed, but getasshurt when it comes to Duncan.

[ambchang]

What's funny is in one thread you devalue winning back to back. And in another you credit Pau Gasol as the leader of that back to back Lakers team, and in another thread you credit Derek Fisher as the leader. In Kobe threads, you are happy to bring up the metrics and shooting percentages when he is outplayed, but getasshurt when it comes to Duncan.

When did I discredit winning b2b? Again, you have comprehension problems, are you retarded, or both? Winning b2b is tough, because you won 2 championships by definition.

And Fisher was the leader on that Lakers team, many signs point to it, even Kobe alluded to it, Jackson said it.

Finally, you have trouble distinguishing between a 17-year career and one series, so it sort of answered my question, you are definitely retarded, the remaining question is whether you have comprehension problems.

Finally #2, any time Hakeem is not hailed as Allah himself, you get all butthurt. Are you his 14-year old mistress?

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You follow me around a lot lately, and with zero content to boot. What's up?

You enjoy people reminding you of you pre-Pau Suns days?

Just checkin' assholes, Shits.

[ambchang]

Just checkin' assholes, Shits.

You check that often? Is it a sickness of yours?

[djohn2oo8]

When did I discredit winning b2b? Again, you have comprehension problems, are you retarded, or both? Winning b2b is tough, because you won 2 championships by definition.

And Fisher was the leader on that Lakers team, many signs point to it, even Kobe alluded to it, Jackson said it.

Finally, you have trouble distinguishing between a 17-year career and one series, so it sort of answered my question, you are definitely retarded, the remaining question is whether you have comprehension problems.

Finally #2, any time Hakeem is not hailed as Allah himself, you get all butthurt. Are you his 14-year old mistress?

Yet here you said Pau led that team. And called him a superstar because of it

A player who can lead his team to back to back championship, including 3 straight finals appearances, is a superstar.


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211783

Ambchang, swerving between lanes like a drunk hillbilly on his tractor on the 4th of July.


And I never said he was Allah. I said he was elite, which you said he wasn't.

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You check that often? Is it a sickness of yours?

Evenin', Shits.

[ambchang]

Yet here you said Pau led that team. And called him a superstar because of it



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211783

Ambchang, swerving between lanes like a drunk hillbilly on his tractor on the 4th of July.


And I never said he was Allah. I said he was elite, which you said he wasn't.

When did I say Hakeem is not a superstar and not elite.

You are really a special kind of stupid. It's like you are trying to prove to me that no matter how stupid I think you are, you can top it.

[ambchang]

Evenin', Shits.

Still checking? What did you find. Did you find your beloved Suns in there?

[djohn2oo8]

When did I say Hakeem is not a superstar and not elite.

You are really a special kind of stupid. It's like you are trying to prove to me that no matter how stupid I think you are, you can top it.
When you questioned what he had done that made him one of the top alpha dogs. You like to backtrack though and pick more than one lane.

[Killakobe81]

When you questioned what he had done that made him one of the top alpha dogs. You like to backtrack though and pick more than one lane.

He can be frustrating that way ...

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Still checking? What did you find. Did you find your beloved Suns in there?

Mornin', Shits.

[ambchang]

When you questioned what he had done that made him one of the top alpha dogs. You like to backtrack though and pick more than one lane.

So you thought I said wilt and lebron sucked despite me stating, explicitly, that being great doesn't me bein alpha?

You confirmed my second question, you can't read.

[djohn2oo8]

So you thought I said wilt and lebron sucked despite me stating, explicitly, that being great doesn't me bein alpha?

You confirmed my second question, you can't read.

Who gives a shit. Did they win rings as the man? If you ring as the main guy, you're an alpha.

[ambchang]

None of that makes him an alpha.

Alpharism has everything to do with attitude and how a team is led rather than how talented a player is. Otherwise, Wilt would have been an alpha as well, Lebron would have been one of the greatest alphas of all time.

And funny how you talk about no help and how Hakeem beat Robinson. The irony.


Who gives a shit. Did they win rings as the man? If you ring as the main guy, you're an alpha.

This is your definition, not mine, so it's moot.

Wilt, Hakeem and Lebron won 2 rings each. Duncan won 5 (4 or 5 as the lead), Shaq won 4 (3 as the lead), Russell won 11, MJ won 6, Magic 5 (around 2 or 3 as the lead), Kareem with 6 (4 or so as the lead), Mikan's got 5, Bird's got 3. So even with your definition, Hakeem isn't a top tier alpha, which is what I wrote all along. By your own definition, he is on the same tier as Thomas, Wilt, and Lebron.

Try to follow along with the conversation, alright?

[ambchang]

He can be frustrating that way ...

Read what I just wrote. I have been about as consistent as you can be from the get go. issue with djohn2oo8 is that he can't read, and immediately loses his cool whenever someone mentions Hakeem isn't the greatest thing to happen to mankind since electricity.

He defines the greatest of an alpha as winning rings as the lead? Well then great!

Duncan > Hakeem
Russell > Hakeem
MJ > Hakeem
Shaq > Hakeem
Bird > Hakeem
Mikan > Hakeem
Magic > Hakeem
Thomas = Hakeem
Lebron = Hakeem
Wilt = Hakeem

By his own definition, Hakeem is not a top tier alpha, more like a 3rd tier figure.

[ambchang]

Mornin', Shits.

Yup, morning is when the sun rises, that's what you found.

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Mornin', Shits.

[djohn2oo8]

This is your definition, not mine, so it's moot.

Wilt, Hakeem and Lebron won 2 rings each. Duncan won 5 (4 or 5 as the lead), Shaq won 4 (3 as the lead), Russell won 11, MJ won 6, Magic 5 (around 2 or 3 as the lead), Kareem with 6 (4 or so as the lead), Mikan's got 5, Bird's got 3. So even with your definition, Hakeem isn't a top tier alpha, which is what I wrote all along. By your own definition, he is on the same tier as Thomas, Wilt, and Lebron.

Try to follow along with the conversation, alright?

I don't think you can keep up with the conversation, since you say he wasn't a top alpha, but you hit your period when you cry about how bad Robinson's teammates were. Notice every single one of those players had MUCH better teams due to talent. Had nothing to do with "attitude"

[djohn2oo8]

Love Duncan, but Dream beat most if not all of the other top big men in his era. Duncan lost to Zach Randolph, Dirk twice, Amare, and how many times to Shaq?

[ambchang]

I don't think you can keep up with the conversation, since you say he wasn't a top alpha, but you hit your period when you cry about how bad Robinson's teammates were. Notice every single one of those players had MUCH better teams due to talent. Had nothing to do with "attitude"

Newsflash, you cried about Hakeem's teammates first, then talked about how Hakeem beat Robinson with no mention of teammates.

I pointed out that contradiction to you.

Could you please reread the thread? Please? Or at least reread your own post if you don't have the mental capacity to follow a conversation, but can only understand a monologue? Pretty please?

[ambchang]

Love Duncan, but Dream beat most if not all of the other top big men in his era. Duncan lost to Zach Randolph, Dirk twice, Amare, and how many times to Shaq?

So NOW it is about individuals, and not team. No wonder you have such a hard time following even your own posts, because you just jump back and forth in your logic whenever it suits you.

Going by your most recent logic, the one where it's about individuals, and also the one which contradicts the one you posted five minutes ago about teams, Hakeem lost to Thurl Bailey, Parish, Tom Chambers, Drug Tarpley, Olden Polynice, Divac twice, everyone because he didn't even make the playoffs with his injury, or you can say he lost to an eye socket, Kemp twice, and Ostertag twice.

[djohn2oo8]

Newsflash, you cried about Hakeem's teammates first, then talked about how Hakeem beat Robinson with no mention of teammates.

I pointed out that contradiction to you.

Could you please reread the thread? Please? Or at least reread your own post if you don't have the mental capacity to follow a conversation, but can only understand a monologue? Pretty please?

What does Robinson's teammates have to do with his ass getting owned? Hakeem dominated him, alone.

[djohn2oo8]

So NOW it is about individuals, and not team. No wonder you have such a hard time following even your own posts, because you just jump back and forth in your logic whenever it suits you.

Going by your most recent logic, the one where it's about individuals, and also the one which contradicts the one you posted five minutes ago about teams, Hakeem lost to Thurl Bailey, Parish, Tom Chambers, Drug Tarpley, Olden Polynice, Divac twice, everyone because he didn't even make the playoffs with his injury, or you can say he lost to an eye socket, Kemp twice, and Ostertag twice.

You're the main one who brings up metrics when they favor you in a Kobe argument, but start bleeding out the rectum when they don't favor Duncan.

[ambchang]

What does Robinson's teammates have to do with his ass getting owned? Hakeem dominated him, alone.

Yes, because professional basketball is strictly a game of one on one.

It's also why you acknowledge Shawn Kemp owned Hakeem in 96. Very nice.


You're the main one who brings up metrics when they favor you in a Kobe argument, but start bleeding out the rectum when they don't favor Duncan.

What metrics are you talking about? Like how Duncan led the Spurs in points and rebounds in the 05 series against Detroit? How he had the highest Game Score? Best DRating (other than Glen Robinson, who only played spot minutes), how he had the highest usage rate, by far the highest rebounding percentage (except for low use players), how he averaged 20.6ppg and 14.1 rpg vs. the COMBINED 21.6ppg and 15.9rpg for the Wallace brothers (aka the best defensive frontline in the league)?

How about in the 07 series vs. Cleveland, when he led the Spurs in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, and the best defensive rating on the Spurs in a defensive series?

[djohn2oo8]

Yes, because professional basketball is strictly a game of one on one.

It's also why you acknowledge Shawn Kemp owned Hakeem in 96. Very nice.



What metrics are you talking about? Like how Duncan led the Spurs in points and rebounds in the 05 series against Detroit? How he had the highest Game Score? Best DRating (other than Glen Robinson, who only played spot minutes), how he had the highest usage rate, by far the highest rebounding percentage (except for low use players), how he averaged 20.6ppg and 14.1 rpg vs. the COMBINED 21.6ppg and 15.9rpg for the Wallace brothers (aka the best defensive frontline in the league)?

How about in the 07 series vs. Cleveland, when he led the Spurs in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks, and the best defensive rating on the Spurs in a defensive series?

Smh conveniently leaving out his TS%, EFG%, and his offensive rating which were all terrible that 05 series. Yet you are quick to bring up Kobe's percentages when they favor you.

[djohn2oo8]

In LA? How? By shooting 38% in the finals? 40% in the finals? Most bricks in NBA history?

Amb refusing to talk about Duncan's shooting percentage in 05 and 07. Smh.

[ambchang]

Smh conveniently leaving out his TS%, EFG%, and his offensive rating which were all terrible that 05 series. Yet you are quick to bring up Kobe's percentages when they favor you.


Amb refusing to talk about Duncan's shooting percentage in 05 and 07. Smh.

Because Duncan didn't shoot 38% or 40% from the field.

Because Duncan let his teammates shoot the ball instead of hogging the ball for personal glory.

And the list of all the questions you dodged in this THREAD ALONE>

[Killakobe81]

Smh conveniently leaving out his TS%, EFG%, and his offensive rating which were all terrible that 05 series. Yet you are quick to bring up Kobe's percentages when they favor you.

This is amb all day ... Kobe should make playoffs with all the talent he has had on these god awful Lakers team the past two years ... but lets say by some miracle they do make it this year it wont mean shit.

Dont waste your time. Arguing with him can be fun at times ...but so exhausting.

[djohn2oo8]

Because Duncan didn't shoot 38% or 40% from the field.

Because Duncan let his teammates shoot the ball instead of hogging the ball for personal glory.

And the list of all the questions you dodged in this THREAD ALONE>
Duncan did shoot 41% against Ben Wallace and Rasheed. Duncan also shot 44% against Big Z and Varejo. But keep bringing up percentages when they favor you.

[ambchang]

Duncan did shoot 41% against Ben Wallace and Rasheed. Duncan also shot 44% against Big Z and Varejo. But keep bringing up percentages when they favor you.

42% and 45%. Learn rounding.

And no, shooting 42% and 45% in a series isn't exceptionally bad. Hakeem shot 39%, 43% and 44% throughout entire playoff runs, but I am not holding that against him, because he actually passes.

[Killakobe81]

42% and 45%. Learn rounding.

And no, shooting 42% and 45% in a series isn't exceptionally bad. Hakeem shot 39%, 43% and 44% throughout entire playoff runs, but I am not holding that against him, because he actually passes.

Some called, him a blackhole on offense pre title years ...not sure I agree with that but his passing did improve quite a bit from his younger years ...

Anyways proceed.

[ambchang]

Some called, him a blackhole on offense pre title years ...not sure I agree with that but his passing did improve quite a bit from his younger years ...

Anyways proceed.

Hakeem was a blackhole earlier on, but he learned.

People forgot the late 80s years when Hakeem was a diva.