UFC 193: November 14, 2015

[ace3g]

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main CARD
Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET
Ronda Rousey (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/ronda-rousey) vs. Holly Holm (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/holly-holm)
for women's bantamweight title
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/joanna-jedrzejczyk) vs. Valerie Letourneau (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/valerie-letourneau-trouble)
for strawweight title
Mark Hunt (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/mark-hunt) vs. Antonio Silva (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/antonio-silva)
Uriah Hall (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/uriah-hall-prime-time) vs. Robert Whittaker (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/robert-whittaker)
Jared Rosholt (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/jared-rosholt) vs. Stefan Struve (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/stefan-struve)

preliminary CARD
FOX Sports 1, 8 p.m. ET
Akbarh Arreola (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/akbarh-arreola) vs. Jake Matthews (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/jake-matthews)
Kyle Noke (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/kyle-noke) vs. Peter Sobotta (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/peter-sobotta)
Anthony Perosh (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/anthony-perosh) vs. Gian Villante (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/gian-villante)
Danny Martinez (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/danny-martinez) vs. Richie Vaculik (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/richie-vaculik)

preliminary CARD
UFC Fight Pass, 6:15 p.m. ET
James Moontasri (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/james-moontasri) vs. Brendan O'Reilly (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/brendan-oreilly)
Daniel Kelly (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/daniel-kelly) vs. Steve Montgomery (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/steve-montgomery)
Steven Kennedy (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/steven-kennedy) vs. Richard Walsh (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/richard-walsh)
Ryan Benoit (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/ryan-benoit) vs. Ben Nguyen (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/ben-nguyen)









UFC Tonight @UFCTonight
(https://twitter.com/UFCTonight)BREAKING: Robbie Lawler vs. Carlos Condit for the UFC welterweight title confirmed for UFC 193

[ace3g]

MMAFighting.com @MMAFighting
(https://twitter.com/MMAFighting)Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm moved to UFC 193 mmafighting.com/2015/8/28/9224… (http://t.co/OwBRA3ujej) pic.twitter.com/WKBdxGVR8S (http://t.co/WKBdxGVR8S)

[ace3g]

Whether it helps or not, and I don't care if others see it or not, but Holm is basically the female jon jones (yes I know she doesn't have the wrestling background) but she uses kicks the most of any female fighter in the division by a long shot.

She can end fights with her side kick to the body. Hopefully Jon is giving her as many tips as possible to keep the distance and fight from the outside; because everyone 135 either doesn't have the ability or their main skill set requires getting close to Ronda which plays into the hands of her Judo skills.

Plus I have confidence in the game plan Jackson comes up with.

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[benefactor]

Hmm...interesting.

She get's her ass kicked anyway.

[ace3g]

MMAjunkie @MMAjunkie
(https://twitter.com/MMAjunkie)Champ Joanna Jedrzejczyk meets Valerie Letourneau at 'UFC 193: Rousey vs. Holm' shar.es/1vwToW (https://t.co/5Yfovt2Wpd) via @MMAjunkie (https://twitter.com/MMAjunkie/)

[thiste]

Roro and JJ on the same card? Nice!

Anyway about Holly, she's not going to keep Ronda at arms length for a long time. Ronda's a bully, she pushes forward to get the clinch and then it's over.
Strictly in terms of training, I'd have liked Holly to get one more MMA year of experience under her belt but you gotta think that she'll already be 34 come this event... can't wait for too long either.
So yes it's too soon, and she is going to lose, but would I do anything different if I was Dana? Not so sure.
This fight makes so much more sense than the Tate fight (sorry Miesha, still luv ya to death) and is also so much easier to promote... "the judo olympic medalist vs. the boxing world champ", a classic boxing vs wrestling match up, and both of them undefeated...
I'd say Holly is probably the most professionally disciplined fighter Ronda's ever gonna face in the UFC, she knows what it takes to win and stay on top. But given their respective abilities and where they're at right now, there's just too big a gap between them.

[ace3g]

They should change Uriah's nickname to "The Replacement"

Uriah Hall replaces Michael Bisping, faces Robert Whittaker at UFC 193
http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-uriah-hall-replaces-michael-bisping-faces-robert-whittaker-at-ufc-193-100115

[dbreiden83080]

Hall is playing it smart by being the ultimate company man.. Dana used to question his heart, so he is making up for it now with better performances and when his phone rings, he just says yes..

[ace3g]

Cool promo:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jSKMoXTvaQ

[dbreiden83080]

It's tough for me to really get excited about her career, when she has nobody to fight. Women's MMA is going to continue to evolve and IMO when she is long gone, another woman will come along and truly be that legendary champion/fighter. Ronda needs to be tested by a true rival but I think she will be gone before that person emerges. She may be 35 when that girl is around and the do a one off super fight, where Ronda finally loses..

[thiste]

I think that's Rousey's sister playing her at some point

[ace3g]

^ It is

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWAWUjIHoc

[benefactor]

Perhaps it would be in Dana's best interest to have Rhonda take a dive on this one. Seems like the next logical step. Would be easy to do too as Holm is a boxer.

[thiste]

And it's never gonna happen.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMp7ioti3n8

[thiste]

Ronda (vs HH)
JJ (vs Letourneau)
Hunt (vs Bigfoot)
Struve (vs Rosholt)
Uriah (vs Whittaker)

[ace3g]

main CARD
Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET
Ronda Rousey (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/ronda-rousey) vs. Holly Holm (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/holly-holm)
for women's bantamweight title

-- Lets see if my Bones Jones theory holds true.

Joanna Jedrzejczyk (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/joanna-jedrzejczyk) vs. Valerie Letourneau (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/valerie-letourneau-trouble)
for strawweight title
Mark Hunt (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/mark-hunt) vs. Antonio Silva (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/antonio-silva)
Uriah Hall (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/uriah-hall-prime-time) vs. Robert Whittaker (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/robert-whittaker)
Jared Rosholt (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/jared-rosholt) vs. Stefan Struve (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/stefan-struve)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-F6DcGUsk

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iixYjUo4AyY

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hGPf1BTxjQ

[benefactor]

main CARD
Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET
Ronda Rousey (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/ronda-rousey) vs. Holly Holm (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/holly-holm)
for women's bantamweight title

-- Lets see if my Bones Jones theory holds true.

...and my Rhonda takes a dive theory. Really is the perfect setup if you think of it.

[thiste]

You guys hoping to get rich :)

Good luck

[ace3g]

You guys hoping to get rich :)

Good luck

Not really a betting man, just have one of those feelings about Holly Holm.

I like fighters that mix up their striking and Holm mixes in kicks much more than 90 % of the woman in the UFC.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMiAd2STAf4&feature=youtu.be

[thiste]

Not really a betting man, just have one of those feelings about Holly Holm.

I like fighters that mix up their striking and Holm mixes in kicks much more than 90 % of the woman in the UFC.

If Holm was finishing opponents in 30 seconds (like cyborg does), I might agree with your prediction, or at least I'd recognize that she might have a shot. Problem is, Ronda only needs to survive 30 seconds of Holm"s treatment to finish her (most likely).

So unless Holly runs for 5 rounds, or lands an extremely lucky shot, I don't see her taking this.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM_r7X2Rt_U

[txstr1986]

Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm for women's bantamweight title - I think Holm is a great fighter, but we all know that Rousey is 10 years ahead of every other female fighter. I think Holm makes it past round 1 based off of her movement alone, but she can't run all night.

Joanna Jedrzejczyk vs. Valerie Letourneau for strawweight title - I don't know anything about Valerie, but Joanna has a very entertaining style, and I love her style of trash-talking. She's just really easy to root for.

Uriah Hall vs. Robert Whittaker - Whittaker is legit, but Hall is finally living up to the hype.

Jared Rosholt vs. Stefan Struve - IF Struve is healthy he wins by TKO - Rosholt has a glass chin.

Anthony Perosh vs. Gian Villante - It'd be nice if Villante would finally get his but in gear, but I don't think Perosh poses any real threat to him.

[Chingo Bling]

I haven't been this excited about two shicks fighting since I had a couple of mañosas wrestling with my chile.

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Z5mjUMqFA&feature=youtu.be

[benefactor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTugr86VEAEmrf3.png:large

665322766099353602
:lol UWWEFC

[ace3g]

Was supposed to watch this fight up in the Austin area, then shit happened...just going to wait till tomorrow to see the highlights...

[thiste]

Let me officially eat my crow. I must be stupid.


This was just superb.

[01Snake]

That was EPIC!

[siraulo23]

Dominated

rousey looked like a scrub

[ace3g]

Whether it helps or not, and I don't care if others see it or not, but Holm is basically the female jon jones (yes I know she doesn't have the wrestling background) but she uses kicks the most of any female fighter in the division by a long shot.

She can end fights with her side kick to the body. Hopefully Jon is giving her as many tips as possible to keep the distance and fight from the outside; because everyone 135 either doesn't have the ability or their main skill set requires getting close to Ronda which plays into the hands of her Judo skills.

Plus I have confidence in the game plan Jackson comes up with.

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hmmm

[benefactor]

Perhaps it would be in Dana's best interest to have Rhonda take a dive on this one. Seems like the next logical step. Would be easy to do too as Holm is a boxer.
tbh

[thiste]

Ronda was exposed. She had no defense against Holm's boxing/kicking clinic. She took every punch head on and kept coming forward. Not good.

[spurraider21]

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[benefactor]

^that's what you do when you are taking a dive

[ace3g]

main CARD
Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET
Ronda Rousey (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/ronda-rousey) vs. Holly Holm (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/holly-holm)
for women's bantamweight title

-- Lets see if my Bones Jones theory holds true.

Joanna Jedrzejczyk (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/joanna-jedrzejczyk) vs. Valerie Letourneau (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/valerie-letourneau-trouble)
for strawweight title
Mark Hunt (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/mark-hunt) vs. Antonio Silva (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/antonio-silva)
Uriah Hall (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/uriah-hall-prime-time) vs. Robert Whittaker (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/robert-whittaker)
Jared Rosholt (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/jared-rosholt) vs. Stefan Struve (http://mmajunkie.com/fighters/stefan-struve)


hmmm + 2

[ace3g]

Not really a betting man, just have one of those feelings about Holly Holm.

I like fighters that mix up their striking and Holm mixes in kicks much more than 90 % of the woman in the UFC.

hmmm +3

[Stevie Johnson]

Ronda threw the fight

[Kawhitstorm]

Rondo threw the fight

Warriors fans will say Curry threw the series away when they get KOTFO in the postseason.

[Stevie Johnson]

Warriors fans will say Curry threw the series away when they get KOTFO in the postseason.
Shut up pussy

[benefactor]

Sorry ace...I know you want to believe Dana hasn't gone full WWE, but that's exactly what has happened. If Rhonda destroys her in the rematch, you'll know I'm right.

[Kawhitstorm]

Bitch thought she could handle Mayweather & couldn't even handle Holm's standup :lmao

[Righaya]

Ronda totally gassed and looked out of sorts even at the end of the first round. In addition to her stand up game, she needs to work on her endurance too. Perhaps fighting 4 times (is that right?) in a year took a toll on her (which includes all the incessant press she gets and has to do). She's pretty stocky too I wonder how much her cut to 135 affects her stamina since she did fight, probably more naturally, at 145 in Invicta. I read somewhere that she walks around pretty heavy around 160 or 165. That's a load to lose (and indeed a lot of muscle to gas you). Holm looks really naturally lanky and probably doesn't cut nearly as much. Overall, fantastic performance from Holm. Sets up nicely, too, that now Cyborg can come fight Holm and then build up Ronda's comeback. Good stories all around. Good fight.

[ace3g]

Sadly, Holm is the first fighter that could really cause problems for Rousey because of her ability mix in a variety of kicks in her attack (uses a lot of the same techniques that Bones Jones uses). Plus being part of Jackson/Winklejohn camp you know they will have a great game plan for this fight. I just didn't want this fight to happen so soon so Holm had more time to develop her MMA skills (only 2 fights in the UFC).

hmmm +4

[Stevie Johnson]

Sorry ace...I know you want to believe Dana hasn't gone full WWE, but that's exactly what has happened. If Rhonda destroys her in the rematch, you'll know I'm right.
She threw the fight. MMA is losing out, yep, all makes sense.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT1M7JEUwAE1vFm.jpg:large

[playblair]

ufc just lost its biggest draw/star .......... ufc has no stars left............ wwe would make rousey even more of a megastar............. make the switch rousey

[Kawhitstorm]

Shut up pussy

Holla' at me when Tim loses a home game to the Warriors

[RD2191]

:lol I knew holm would knock Ronda out. First legit fighter rousey has faced in her career.

[Kawhitstorm]

ufc just lost its biggest draw/star .......... ufc has no stars left............ wwe would make rousey even more of a megastar............. make the switch rousey

She has been exposed, she's nothing more than a WWE clown after this performance.

[playblair]

^ she would draw 100k vs steph mcmahon in att stadium for wrestlemania ............... bigger than any ufc crowd ever

[benefactor]

ufc just lost its biggest draw/star .......... ufc has no stars left............ wwe would make rousey even more of a megastar............. make the switch rousey
Wrong...Dana just saved the women's division. By letting Rousey take a dive he renews interest. It was obvious people were getting tired of watching Rousey win in 20 seconds. Something needed to happen or people were going to quit buying cards with her on it.

Jesus...are all of you that fucking blind?

[thiste]

Yeah financially it doesn't really make sense to have Rousey lose when she's the biggest star right now. Shit's going to look weird now with Ronda on the cover of the next UFC game... And that's not nearly the only thing she's representing right now.

[Kawhitstorm]

^that's what you do when you are taking a dive

That's what your mom does when I pull my dick out

[RD2191]

Dive my ass. Bitch got ktfo.

[spurraider21]

Yeah financially it doesn't really make sense to have Rousey lose when she's the biggest star right now. Shit's going to look weird now with Ronda on the cover of the next UFC game... And that's not nearly the only thing she's representing right now.
nah, now a rematch will be a huge draw

[benefactor]

Yeah financially it doesn't really make sense to have Rousey lose when she's the biggest star right now. Shit's going to look weird now with Ronda on the cover of the next UFC game... And that's not nearly the only thing she's representing right now.
What the fuck are you talking about?:lol It makes perfect sense. You can't just keep beating the shit out of everyone and expect people to stay interested, especially since it's women's fighting.

Just wait...She'll kick Holm's ass in the rematch and Dana will laugh all the way to the bank.

[benefactor]

Yeah financially it doesn't really make sense to have Rousey lose when she's the biggest star right now. Shit's going to look weird now with Ronda on the cover of the next UFC game... And that's not nearly the only thing she's representing right now.
What the fuck are you talking about?:lol It makes perfect sense. You can't just keep beating the shit out of everyone and expect people to stay interested, especially since it's women's fighting.

Just wait...She'll kick Holm's ass in the rematch and Dana will laugh all the way to the bank.

[Stevie Johnson]

Ronda is going to fuck up this scrub cvnt in a rematch.

[RD2191]

I'll bet $250 that Holm beats Ronda again.

[LakerHater]

That holm chick was more prepared! her body was on point!!

Rousey's didnt evn look close! The weigh in showed!

[ace3g]

If Dana wanted her to take a dive, then why not just keep the Tate fight on schedule?

Now this gives Bones Jones/Holm/Jackson/Winkeljohn more time to develop Holm's skills.

[Kawhitstorm]

Wrong...Dana just saved the women's division. By letting Rousey take a dive he renews interest. It was obvious people were getting tired of watching Rousey win in 20 seconds. Something needed to happen or people were going to quit buying cards with her on it.

Jesus...are all of you that fucking blind?

No, she finally faced a fighter who actually made her use MMA skills rather than Judo & she got KOTFO!

[benefactor]

:lol...ok...whatever you guys want to believe.

[thiste]

Well from this fight Rousey looks far from being able to win a rematch. But you were right today so I'll shut up. Time will tell.

[Kawhitstorm]

Well from this fight Rousey looks far from being able to win a rematch. But you were right today so I'll shut up. Time will tell.

Styles make fights, she will get KOTFO in the rematch unless she runs around the ring for 5 rounds or becomes a top 5 female kick boxer.

[benefactor]

You guys probably really think is was all Correa's idea to maliciously go after Rousey about her past too, huh?:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

That holm chick was more prepared! her body was on point!!

Rousey's didnt evn look close! The weigh in showed!

Holm walks around at that weight, Ronda is a chubby chick who walks around at 160. She only worried about he power not stamina but that shyt doesn't fly against an elite kick boxer.

http://mywallpapers.mobi/thumb/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ronda_rousey0.480x800.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

You guys probably really think is was all Correa's idea to maliciously go after Rousey about her past too, huh?:lol

Fuck Correa, that bitch is a bum

[Pauly D]

>potential mega fight with Cyborg in the not-to-distant future
>Dana: "Nah, we're gonna have her LOSE instead!

This is what Rousey fans reaching looks like. Getting KO'd worse than their hero tonight :lol

:cry Psssshhhh! It was a dive!...Yeah..a dive! :cry

[RD2191]

>potential mega fight with Cyborg in the not-to-distant future
>Dana: "Nah, we're gonna have her LOSE instead!

This is what Rousey fans reaching looks like. Getting KO'd worse than their hero tonight :lol

:cry Psssshhhh! It was a dive!...Yeah..a dive! :cry

:lol tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

>potential mega fight with Cyborg in the not-to-distant future
>Dana: "Nah, we're gonna have her LOSE instead!

This is what Rousey fans reaching looks like. Getting KO'd worse than their hero tonight :lol

:cry Psssshhhh! It was a dive!...Yeah..a dive! :cry

https://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/ronda_rousey_heyyyy_youuuu_guyyyyyss.jpg

[Pauly D]

https://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/ronda_rousey_heyyyy_youuuu_guyyyyyss.jpg

BTFO

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol tbh

http://i61.tinypic.com/2d6o7ma.jpg

[benefactor]

>potential mega fight with Cyborg in the not-to-distant future
>Dana: "Nah, we're gonna have her LOSE instead!

This is what Rousey fans reaching looks like. Getting KO'd worse than their hero tonight :lol

:cry Psssshhhh! It was a dive!...Yeah..a dive! :cry
Why wait on the Cyborg fight when you can bank on that and a Holm rematch? That's just good business.

[benefactor]

What makes you think I'm a Rousey fan? I've never even really liked women's MMA. I've always said that Rousey was a cash grab by White.

[RD2191]

I would pay for Holm to knock me out. Tbh.

[ace3g]

dana started off post fight interview with "Holly Holm will be here in a minute, she is being drug tested"...

[HarlemHeat37]

If she did take a dive, respect to her, because she's going to receive a ton of mockery and ridicule in the next few weeks, tbh:lol..fighters are generally very prideful..

[benefactor]

If she did take a dive, respect to her, because she's going to receive a ton of mockery and ridicule in the next few weeks, tbh:lol..fighters are generally very prideful..
She's already allowed Dana to trash her about her past through Correa to sell a fight. She's been in movies already and there have been WWE rumors swirling about. Sounds to me like she just want's to make money.

Make your money girl.

[Pauly D]

Why wait on the Cyborg fight when you can bank on that and a Holm rematch? That's just good business.

because it's not worth getting caught, you dumbass. The point you're making only works if we all thought it was fixed, when it's really only a few of you


dana started off post fight interview with "Holly Holm will be here in a minute, she is being drug tested"...

I genuinely wouldn't care if Holm failed it. She outed Rousey as ridiculously one dimensional

[Kawhitstorm]

dana started off post fight interview with "Holly Holm will be here in a minute, she is being drug tested"...

That's not the first time he started a press conference saying "XYZ will be here in a minute, he/she is being drug tested"

[ace3g]

That's not the first time he started a press conference saying "XYZ will be here in a minute, he/she is being drug tested"

oh I know, just adding it for conversation.

[benefactor]

because it's not worth getting caught, you dumbass. The point you're making only works if we all thought it was fixed, when it's really only a few of you


:lol...what? My point works because it was convincing. People will want to see the rematch...which will pull a ton of PPV buys...just like the Cyborg fight will. This is just Dana finding a way to bridge the gap financially until the Cyborg fight happens.

[Kawhitstorm]

She's already allowed Dana to trash her about her past through Correa to sell a fight. She's been in movies already and there have been WWE rumors swirling about. Sounds to me like she just want's to make money.

Make your money girl.

Mayweather had said a ton of shyt to sell a fight b/c his style isn't fan friendly but I don't ever remember him taking a dive even though people buy PPV hoping to see him lose. At worst she could have won by a split decision & granted a rematch but bitch got her head taken off. Fuck outa here w/ your lame ass conspiracy theory.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol...what? My point works because it was convincing. People will want to see the rematch...which will pull a ton of PPV buys...just like the Cyborg fight will. This is just Dana finding a way to bridge the gap financially until the Cyborg fight happens.

Idiot, getting your head taken off isn't the only way to sell rematch. Your point isn't convincing, it's dumb & void of any logic.

[Pauly D]

:lol...what? My point works because it was convincing. People will want to see the rematch...which will pull a ton of PPV buys...just like the Cyborg fight will. This is just Dana finding a way to bridge the gap financially until the Cyborg fight happens.

Your point is retarded because the risk of fixing a fight far outweighs the benefits, ESPECIALLY in this day and age of the internet, camera phones, anonymity, etc. and ESPECIALLY considering they had a big fight ready to go

[benefactor]

Remember...we are talking about the same Dana White who didn't give a shit about women's MMA and even mocked it. He could give a fuck about the women. He's doing this for the money alone.

[benefactor]

Your point is retarded because the risk of fixing a fight far outweighs the benefits, ESPECIALLY in this day and age of the internet, camera phones, anonymity, etc. and ESPECIALLY considering they had a big fight ready to go
It's actually pretty fucking easy. I wouldn't be surprised if Dana and Ronda threw the idea around long before this fight ever got made. All they needed was the right opponent.

[LakerHater]

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[ace3g]

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[LakerHater]

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[benefactor]

So you are telling me Holm comes off two decision victories...including a split over a girl that barely has a winning record...then suddenly a few short months later she completely takes apart the best female fighter in the world in under two rounds? :cry bbbut she trained with Jon Jones for this one :cry

You motherfuckers are getting played.:lol

[pgardn]

So you are telling me Holm comes off two decision victories...including a split over a girl that barely has a winning record...then suddenly a few short months later she completely takes apart the best female fighter in the world in under two rounds? :cry bbbut she trained with Jon Jones for this one :cry

You motherfuckers are getting played.:lol


Holm is very strong and an athlete with very good skills. Add to this an opponent who was just flat out repeating the same recipe over and over again and we get the result. This was not a girl Rousey could just bull rush and arm bar. I had no idea Holm was so fast and strong.

So you think PEDs Holm or Rousey wanted her face kicked in for a rematch?

Rousey is exactly the type Holm could knock out because she completely dropped her hands after getting stiff jabbed and constantly came forward. Rousey got frustrated and reverted to primal instincts IMO. Holm, in a way, embarrassed her the first round and Rousey lost her composure. This is what I got out of it.

[Pauly D]

:cry bbbut she trained with Jon Jones for this one :cry

You can't use that when YOU'RE the one making outrageous claims. We're the ones just taking it at face value so making it seem like we're crying about things doesn't make any sense

[ace3g]

This isn't the first time she has finished a fight with a head kick


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[Cry Havoc]

So you are telling me Holm comes off two decision victories...including a split over a girl that barely has a winning record...then suddenly a few short months later she completely takes apart the best female fighter in the world in under two rounds? :cry bbbut she trained with Jon Jones for this one :cry

You motherfuckers are getting played.:lol

Wow dude. I can't believe you of all people are drinking the kool-aid. Sad to see.

[benefactor]

Wow dude. I can't believe you of all people are drinking the kool-aid. Sad to see.
The UFC isn't about MMA anymore. It has taken decades for the sport to gain the credibility it has today...and Dana has ruined it in a few short years trying to squeeze as much money out of it as he can. I might catch the occasional big headline card like the one next month, but otherwise fuck Dana and fuck the UFC.

[Cry Havoc]

The UFC isn't about MMA anymore. It has taken decades for the sport to gain the credibility it has today...and Dana has ruined it in a few short years trying to squeeze as much money out of it as he can. I might catch the occasional big headline card like the one next month, but otherwise fuck Dana and fuck the UFC.

Sorry man, I'm no fan of Dana White and think he's done a fair share to hurt (and help) the sport, but there's a HUGE reach to go from "Dana White sucks" to "this shit is rigged". MMA is entertaining precisely because you get results like this and they happen all the time due to stylistic differences and champions that get supremely overconfident (Silva - Weidman, Barao - Dillishaw).

Nothing I saw last night suggested it was a setup. I saw a fighter letting her anger get the better of her and thinking she's untouchable against a world class kickboxer. The UFC just lost it's most recognizable athlete -- how can you say Dana WANTED that?

[lebomb]

Sorry man, I'm no fan of Dana White and think he's done a fair share to hurt (and help) the sport, but there's a HUGE reach to go from "Dana White sucks" to "this shit is rigged". MMA is entertaining precisely because you get results like this and they happen all the time due to stylistic differences and champions that get supremely overconfident (Silva - Weidman, Barao - Dillishaw).

Nothing I saw last night suggested it was a setup. I saw a fighter letting her anger get the better of her and thinking she's untouchable against a world class kickboxer. The UFC just lost it's most recognizable athlete -- how can you say Dana WANTED that?


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[benefactor]

Sorry man, I'm no fan of Dana White and think he's done a fair share to hurt (and help) the sport, but there's a HUGE reach to go from "Dana White sucks" to "this shit is rigged". MMA is entertaining precisely because you get results like this and they happen all the time due to stylistic differences and champions that get supremely overconfident (Silva - Weidman, Barao - Dillishaw).

Nothing I saw last night suggested it was a setup. I saw a fighter letting her anger get the better of her and thinking she's untouchable against a world class kickboxer. The UFC just lost it's most recognizable athlete -- how can you say Dana WANTED that?
He didn't lose anything. He'll get it right back in the rematch.

[Cry Havoc]

He didn't lose anything. He'll get it right back in the rematch.

Yeah, there's definitely nothing special about marketing an undefeated fighter. :lol

[pgardn]

Taking a dive does not involve getting your face rearranged. She got beat up. Rousey walked into elbows and punches from a puncher.

Rousey could just have tapped out of something.

And i I would be essentially unsurprised if Rousey won the rematch. She knows she lost her composure and got beat up. And both of them know Rousey will do a better job next time. She just got spoiled with opponents that gave her no real problem. If anything, she will get better.

[dbreiden83080]

As far as the fight being rigged that is just hilarious. The UFC hype train around Ronda required her to keep winning for as long as she could. So much of the shine now comes off for her hype. And no I don't buy into well she will just win it back in a big rematch, so they fixed the first fight. The UFC obviously wanted no part of Holly winning because of the money they have invested in Ronda. But it happened, that's MMA.

[dbreiden83080]

Taking a dive does not involve getting your face rearranged. She got beat up. Rousey walked into elbows and punches from a puncher.

Rousey could just have tapped out of something.

And i I would be essentially unsurprised if Rousey won the rematch. She knows she lost her composure and got beat up. And both of them know Rousey will do a better job next time. She just got spoiled with opponents that gave her no real problem. If anything, she will get better.

Anyone who actually watched that fight understands it was legit. She went in there and got beat up and violently finished.

[dbreiden83080]

He didn't lose anything. He'll get it right back in the rematch.

So you are telling me that she volunteered to get her face rearranged? When somebody takes a dive, it is usually a quick punch and they fall down and don't get back up.

[dbreiden83080]

Ali and Sonny Liston the rematch. That is a classic example of somebody taking a dive.

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[benefactor]

So you are telling me that she volunteered to get her face rearranged? When somebody takes a dive, it is usually a quick punch and they fall down and don't get back up.
Jesus...you guys act like it's your first time watching MMA.:lol

Any time you walk into the octagon you are volunteering to get your face rearranged. It's full fucking contact fighting. No matter the outcome, there's a better than average chance your face is going to get fucked up. That's why I said weeks ago it works out perfect that its a boxer. She can stand in front of her for a round to make it look good and go down in the second. She probably didn't really want to get kicked in the head like that, but hey, that's the price you pay when you take one for the team. Doing a Liston/Tyson type dive would be painfully obvious and the media would run Dana and Ronda over the coals.

The Ronda hype train was annoying and she was finishing fights way too fast. People were starting to see through it. Why do you think Dana had to manufacture some sort of fake beef between her and Correa? He needed a gimmick to get PPV buys. Now that she has lost, you have her haters who normally wouldn't care to watch her and her supporters who think she just took the fight too lightly all lined up and ready to buy the rematch.

But who knows...maybe I am talking out of my ass. We will see what happens with the rematch. If it turns out the same, I'll gladly eat crow. Hell...no one wants Ronda to go away more than I do. But now we risk it getting even more annoying, as Dana will have every evangelical in the US becoming a Holly Holm fan. Ugh.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Jesus...you guys act like it's your first time watching MMA.:lol

Any time you walk into the octagon you are volunteering to get your face rearranged. It's full fucking contact fighting. No matter the outcome, there's a better than average chance your face is going to get fucked up. That's why I said weeks ago it works out perfect that its a boxer. She can stand in front of her for a round to make it look good and go down in the second. She probably didn't really want to get kicked in the head like that, but hey, that's the price you pay when you take one for the team. Doing a Liston/Tyson type dive would be painfully obvious and the media would run Dana and Ronda over the coals.

The Ronda hype train was annoying and she was finishing fights way too fast. People were starting to see through it. Why do you think Dana had to manufacture some sort of fake beef between her and Correa? He needed a gimmick to get PPV buys. Now that she has lost, you have her haters who normally wouldn't care to watch her and her supporters who think she just took the fight too lightly all lined up and ready to buy the rematch.

But who knows...maybe I am talking out of my ass. We will see what happens with the rematch. If it turns out the same, I'll gladly eat crow. Hell...no one wants Ronda to go away more than I do. But now we risk it getting even more annoying, as Dana will have every evangelical in the US becoming a Holly Holm fan. Ugh.

I'm assuming you're pulling some sort of reverse post fight jinx and don't actually believe what you're saying. Rhonda lost the fight. She wasn't properly prepared. It's possible she believed her own hype. If her managers were fixing the fight, she wasn't clued in because she got her ass kicked. Any sort of 'fix' didn't involve her...maybe her trainers and managers underprepared her to fight a boxer, but that's a stretch. If she was tanking the fight she would have done so much sooner than the "shin-to-chin" shot that took her down. And now it will be hard to market the most dominant fighter in the world when she no longer is that. Her whole gimmick is her gloating about her dominance...I suppose your theory includes a new humble, more contrite persona? Or some attempt at being the underdog now, even though she's an asshole? And what about all the people that have gone on record singing her praises as the best fighter ever prior to the fight? How many of those folks will ever line up to do that again? I believe Holly would beat her again. She's bigger, stronger, faster, and the better puncher, and she'll get better as she learns the sport. Heck, there are probably quite a few other folks that will beat Rousey now that she's been exposed. She's a one trick pony.

Your analysis is interesting, but a reach.

[dbreiden83080]

Jesus...you guys act like it's your first time watching MMA.:lol

Any time you walk into the octagon you are volunteering to get your face rearranged. It's full fucking contact fighting. No matter the outcome, there's a better than average chance your face is going to get fucked up. That's why I said weeks ago it works out perfect that its a boxer. She can stand in front of her for a round to make it look good and go down in the second. She probably didn't really want to get kicked in the head like that, but hey, that's the price you pay when you take one for the team. Doing a Liston/Tyson type dive would be painfully obvious and the media would run Dana and Ronda over the coals.

The Ronda hype train was annoying and she was finishing fights way too fast. People were starting to see through it. Why do you think Dana had to manufacture some sort of fake beef between her and Correa? He needed a gimmick to get PPV buys. Now that she has lost, you have her haters who normally wouldn't care to watch her and her supporters who think she just took the fight too lightly all lined up and ready to buy the rematch.

But who knows...maybe I am talking out of my ass. We will see what happens with the rematch. If it turns out the same, I'll gladly eat crow. Hell...no one wants Ronda to go away more than I do. But now we risk it getting even more annoying, as Dana will have every evangelical in the US becoming a Holly Holm fan. Ugh.

An athlete like Ronda doesn't take a dive for some extra money. Sorry you are cynical dude.. Would Tim Duncan throw the NBA finals for a few extra million?

[ace3g]

Yep throwing a non title fight, sure --- title fight, yeah right, not going to happen.

Plus it looks like the Cyborg/Rousey fight was even closer than before to happening.

[dbreiden83080]

Yep throwing a non title fight, sure --- title fight, yeah right, not going to happen.

Plus it looks like the Cyborg/Rousey fight was even closer than before to happening.

I think because Dana comes off like he rules the UFC with an iron fist, people make wild assumptions about fighters doing whatever they are told to do.. But in reality Dana has had so many feuds with the likes of Tito, Rampage, Couture, Hendo, Jones etc, over money and other issues.. No great champion takes a dive... Doesn't happen.

[benefactor]

An athlete like Ronda doesn't take a dive for some extra money. Sorry you are cynical dude.. Would Tim Duncan throw the NBA finals for a few extra million?
:lol...did you really just compare w:lolmen's MMA to pro basketball? And I'm the one reaching?

[benefactor]

She's not a "great champion." She's a gimmicky money grab.

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