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boutons_deux

08-05-2015, 08:28 PM

One Question for Each Republican Candidate in Tomorrow's Debate

The clowns have piled into the car. Here's a personalized question for each of them.

Good old Tom Friedman has a question he'd like to ask (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/thomas-friedman-my-question-for-the-republican-presidential-debate.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region)the various Republican candidates tomorrow night.

"As part of a 1982 transportation bill, President Ronald Reagan agreed (http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/10683a.htm) to boost the then 4-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax to 9 cents, saying, 'When we first built our highways, we paid for them with a gas tax,' adding, 'It was a fair concept then, and it is today.'

Do you believe Reagan was right then, and would you agree to raise the gasoline tax by 5 cents a gallon today so we can pay for our highway bill, which is now stalled in Congress over funding?"

Silly Tom Friedman. The answer to your question will be, "Overtaxed! Socialism! Benghazi! I Am Reagan and I disagree with earlier Me."

However, Friedman's heart is in the right place, so we'll help him out. The staff of the shebeen has developed personalized questions for each of the 10 candidates in tomorrow night's Main Event. (The unfortunate souls in the JV contest all will be asked the same question: "Are you in it for the money?") Here we are.

Jeb (!) Bush: In 2003, you intervened in a private family matter in contravention of a state law that had been enacted several years earlier. How many life-and-death decisions are you preparing to make for individual American families after you are president?"

Scott Walker: Why do so many of the people who work for your campaigns wind up in jail?

Chris Christie: Do you still believe that so many people in New Jersey won't vote for you for president because they want you to remain governor? If so, have you sought professional help?

Marco Rubio: Whatever happened to that immigration-reform bill of yours? Is it buried in the backyard, under a rake?

Mike Huckabee: Please explain, in detail, how an arms deal with Iran is similar to the doors of a crematorium?

John Kasich: Please explain, in detail, how a Balanced Budget Amendment would have allowed the United States to win World War II. Please show your work.

Ben Carson: Please explain, in detail, how is the Affordable Care Act like slavery—specifically, illustrate the similarities between the Middle Passage and a Bronze-level plan.

Rand Paul: How long have you been afflicted with invisibility and is it a chronic condition?

Ted Cruz: What if I want sausages (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a36878/ted-cruz-cooks-bacon-with-machine-gun/) with my waffles instead?

Donald Trump: Dude, seriously? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2e_c6VU1sk)

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a36915/questions-for-republican-candidates-2016-first-debate/

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 10:29 AM

7 Genuinely Tough Questions For The First GOP Debate That Fox News Probably Won’t Ask

1. Many of you predicted that Obamacare would have a devastating impact on the American job market and continue to refer to Obamacare as a “job killer.” How do you explain the historic job growth under Obamacare?

In 2011, Republicans passed the “Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/opinion/paul-krugman-hooray-for-the-aca.html).” Since the passage of Obamacare in March 2010, however, there have been 64 straight months of consecutive job growth — and all-time record — adding nearly 13 million jobs to the economy (https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/07/02/employment-situation-june).

2. Do you support paid maternity leave?

Out of 185 major countries, the United States is one of just three that does not offer new mothers paid leave (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/07/30/3465922/paid-family-leave/). The other two are Oman and Papua New Guinea.
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3. There are no guns allowed in the arena tonight. Do you support that policy?

Many of the candidates oppose “gun free zones” in places like schools and military bases, arguing that allowing people to carry guns will enable them to protect themselves against “bad guys.” But candidates recognize the importance of “gun-free zones” in their own lives. Trump, for example, does not allow guns on his hotels and golf courses (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/05/3688084/donald-trump-hotels-gun-free-zones/). Quicken Arena, where the Republican debate is being held, also does not allow guns (http://www.theqarena.com/arena-info/policies).

4. What lessons have you drawn from the disastrous consequences of the Iraq war and how does that impact your view of the Iran deal?

Many of the people opposed to the Iran deal supported the Iraq war. (Many of the candidates areadvised by architects of the Iraq war (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/02/18/3624114/people-lied-iraq-now-charge-jeb-bushs-foreign-policy/).) The arguments the candidates are using to justify their opposition to the Iran deal are very (http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/08/06/3688422/the-arguments-against-the-iran-deal-bear-a-striking-resemblance-to-the-arguments-for-the-iraq-war/) similar (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/iran-iraq-war-nuclear-deal/399404/) to those used to justify war in Iraq.

5. You have said you admire Ronald Reagan. But Reagan granted legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants. Why is your approach so different than Reagan?

In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed legislation that created a pathway to citizenship for 3 million undocumented immigrants (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/washington/12immig.html).

6. Many of you attended a recent gathering by the Koch brothers, who say they are opposed to corporate welfare. Would you commit to eliminating all government subsidies and tax breaks to the fossil fuel industry as President?

The Koch brothers, who are spending millions to influence this election, claim to oppose corporate welfare (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/02/politics/charles-koch-corporate-welfare/). The fossil fuel industry receives at least $4.7 billion in direct production tax breaks (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3683904/jeb-bush-on-oil-and-gas-subsidies/) and billions more in indirect support.

7. Does the government spend too much on women’s health?

Jeb Bush recently said that though we might be spending too much on “women’s health,” before quickly backtracking. But Bush and the rest of the candidates support defunding Planned Parenthood (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/05/3688257/jeb-bush-womens-issues-not-so-far-off/), one of the largest providers of women’s health services.

?http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/06/3688670/7-genuinely-tough-questions-for-the-first-gop-debate-that-fox-news-probably-wont-ask/

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 10:30 AM

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boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 10:55 AM

Psychologists Urge People With Low Self-Esteem to Watch G.O.P. Debate

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MINNESOTA — Psychologists at the University of Minnesota have issued a research study recommending that people suffering from low self-esteem watch Thursday night’s nationally televised Republican debate.

The recommendation came after the psychologists spent weeks showing research subjects video clips of the debate’s potential participants and observed striking improvements in the subjects’ overall morale and sense of worth.

“We interviewed the volunteers before we exposed them to the Republican candidates and afterward,” said psychologist Davis Logsdon. “The spike in their self-esteem was off the charts.”

Of the candidates who most improved the research subjects’ sense of self, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush were found to be consistently helpful, but the most marked increase in self-esteem levels came after the subjects were exposed to Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker.

According to the data, people who viewed Walker for approximately three minutes reported feeling better “right away” about their intelligence, knowledge, and prospects for obtaining high-status employment that they had previously considered well beyond their reach.

“After watching Governor Walker, a substantial number of the subjects literally could not remember why they had ever felt bad about themselves,” Logsdon said.

In addition to recommending that low self-esteem-sufferers watch the debate, Logsdon is advising them to D.V.R. the entire two hours. “You never know when you might need it again,” he said.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/psychologists-urge-people-with-low-self-esteem-to-watch-g-o-p-debate?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(33)&cndid=&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(33)&CNDID=&spMailingID=7964713&spUserID=MjczNzc0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=740781411&spReportId=NzQwNzgxNDExS0

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 03:16 PM

#DebateQuestionsWeWantToHear

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Can each of you tell the audience about your college experience? Scott -- you are exempt from this question.

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boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 03:22 PM

Donald Trump’s Sickest Burns of His 2016 Rivals

As the carnival barker prepares to take the debate stage tonight, a look back at the insults he's already lobbed.

“I’d like to be civil,” Donald Trump said recently of his upcoming debate performance tonight, but as a top campaign aide to Ohio Gov. John Kasich recently tweeted, for his fellow Republican candidates, preparing for tonight’s debate with the notorious ham at center stage is like “a NASCAR driver mentally preparing for a race knowing one of the drivers will be drunk”:

Ahead of the first GOP debate, Salon takes a look at a few of the insults The Donald has hurled at his fellow Republicans:

Jeb Bush

“The last thing we need is another Bush,” Trump declared during January’s Iowa Freedom Summit, opening a months-long assault on his fellow Republicans — a campaign that has been particularly focused on the former Florida governor.

“How would you like him negotiating with the terrorists?” Trump asked at a rally months later, noting “it took him four days before he got his answer straight” on the 2003 Iraq invasion. Bush suffered an early campaign stumble when he was unable to answer a question on the wisdom of invading Iraq during a Fox News interview. Trump has repeatedly described Bush as “weak” on the campaign trail.

Trump’s Twitter account also retweeted an insult to Bush’s wife on July 4: “@RObHeilbron: realDonaldTrump #JebBush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife.” The retweet was later deleted.

Marco Rubio
“Weak” appears to be a favorite phrase of Trump’s as he’s deployed the insult against Florida Sen. Marco Rubio as well.

“Rubio is weak on immigration and he’s weak on jobs,” Trump told the conservative Breitbart.com, adding, “We need someone who is going to make the country great again, and Rubio is not going to make the country great again.”

“I don’t even know how he could be running for office,” Trump said of Rubio during a campaign event. “We can’t put ourselves through this … He couldn’t answer ‘Is the Iraq war a good thing or a bad thing?'”

Scott Walker

“Finally, I can attack!” Trump recently told a fired-up crowd (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-goes-on-the-attack-again-with-scott-walker-as-the-latest-target/2015/07/25/c6727b44-3315-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html) [4] in Iowa after a fundraiser for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker called Trump a “DumbDumb.”

“Wisconsin’s doing terribly. It’s in turmoil. The roads are a disaster because they don’t have any money to rebuild them. They’re borrowing money like crazy. They projected a $1 billion surplus, and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion. The schools are a disaster. The hospitals and education was a disaster. And he was totally in favor of Common Core!”

And in a June interview with Bloomberg Politics (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2015-06-17/donald-trump-scott-walker-has-a-lot-of-problems-) [5] Trump said that Walker’s “got a lot of problems in Wisconsin. You know, Wisconsin’s got tremendous problems … the debt and the difficult problems that they have going on Wisconsin. Tremendous borrowings.”

John Kasich

Despite disavowing his campaign aide’s tweet alluding to Trump’s erratic campaign style, Gov. Kasich may not be able to fend off potential bombs lobbed by Trump tonight. Back in May, Trump attacked Kasich, one of the newest entrants into the race, for his “horrendous” record as a Lehman Brothers managing partner:

But hey, at least the Ohio governor made it to the debate stage in Cleveland, unlike some of his GOP rivals who’ve suffered some of Trump’s harshest stings.

Rick Perry

Perry was beat out for the last main stage debate spot by Kasich, so he won’t be able to call Trump a “cancer” to his face and he won’t be able to redeem his lackluster 2011 debate performance, but Trump may still make mention of the former Texas governor, who he once said “should be forced to take an IQ test before being allowed to enter the GOP debate”:

“Rick Perry failed at the border. Now he is critical of me. He needs a new pair of glasses to see the crimes committed by illegal immigrants,” Trump also tweeted:

“He put on glasses so people will think he’s smart. And it just doesn’t work! You know people can see through the glasses,” Trump exclaimed at a July 21 rally.

Lindsey Graham

A “stiff,” and a “beggar,” is how Trump has described Sen. Lindsey Graham after the South Carolina senator called Trump a “jackass” for his disparaging comments on Sen. John McCain’s war record.

The tycoon said of Graham’s prospects in the private sector, “He couldn’t get a job. Believe me. Couldn’t get a job.” Trump told a crowd at a retirement community in Graham’s home state of South Carolina. “He couldn’t do what you people did. You’re retired as hell and rich. He wouldn’t be rich; he’d be poor,” Trump joked before giving away Graham’s personal cellphone number onstage.

George Pataki

The former New York governor made a gamble to come out early against Trump’s comments comparing Mexican immigrants to criminals,urging fellow GOP candidates to condemn Trump’s comments (https://twitter.com/GovernorPataki/status/616337316680998913) [11] and challenging Trump to a debate (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/politics/george-pataki-donald-trump-debate-immigration/) [12] on immigration but he won’t be able to make his points directly to Trump tonight as Pataki’s been relegated to the “kiddie table,” failing to secure more than 1 percent support in national polls.

Carly Fiorina

The former host of reality TV show “The Apprentice” invoked his famous tag line “You’re fired” to deliver a scathing critique of Republican presidential candidate and former HP executive, Carly Fiorina: Fiorina “ran a company and she got viciously fired,” Trump told Florida Republicans in May. “She was walked out of there. And the stock went up seven points the day she got fired. That’s not a good sign.”

Trump also slammed Fiorina’s failed 2010 Senate campaign, in which she lost to Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer of California by 10 points. “She loses in a landslide. A landslide,” Trump boomed. “And now she says, ‘OK, now I’m going to run for president.’ Give me a break!”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/he-should-be-forced-take-iq-test-donald-trumps-sickest-burns-his-2016-rivals

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 03:28 PM

The 10 Biggest Lies and Cliches Spouted So Far by the Top 10 Republicans Debating Tonight

These charlatans, bullies, braggarts and right-wing hit-men are just getting warmed up.

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As everyone knows, Fox News has picked 10 Republicans to appear on the main stage for the first "official" presidential debate on Thursday. (A secondary forum will be held for the others.)

This event will be a remarkable showcase of right-wing candidates, similar agendas, personal vanities and many falsehoods about their actual records and accomplishments.

What follows is a list of some of the biggest clichés and lies from the top 10 Republican contenders.

Bush: The cliché that Jeb Bush promotes is that he’s the "moderate" in the GOP field, but that is also his biggest lie. Just this week, he revealed how immoderate he is on women’s reproductive rights and health, saying (https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/628661956052938753) the federal government is spending too much for gynecological-related medical services, which includes abortion. And Bush also keeps pedaling (http://www.npr.org/2015/08/03/429065058/14-gop-candidates-will-share-the-stage-at-new-hampshire-forum) the line that he opposes ground troops to fight ISIS, but would send in more special forces and trainers—as if those soldiers have never been the harbinger of deploying more troops when war plans don’t work.

Carson: The cliché that Ben Carson keeps reciting (http://www.npr.org/2015/08/03/429065058/14-gop-candidates-will-share-the-stage-at-new-hampshire-forum) is that Obamacare is one of the worst things federal government has ever forced on Americans. That’s always been a bizarre right-wing complaint, especially as Obamacare is built on the conservative embrace of the private health insurance industry. It’s also factually wrong, as evidenced by the 15-plus million people who have signed (http://obamacarefacts.com/sign-ups/obamacare-enrollment-numbers/)up for it. The optics of a retired African-American surgeon whcking Obama looks good on Fox News, but that’s just another ruse.

Rubio: The cliché that Marco Rubio keeps repeating is that he is a fresh face bringing new ideas and energy to the GOP, just as John F. Kennedy did for Democrats in 1960s. The big lie is that Rubio is a new Latino champion who breaks from past GOP policies. Even though his grandfather was an undocumented immigrant, Rubio has walked away from earlier immigration reforms and embraced the party's most draconian stances. He now opposes (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/brave-new-films-releases-short-film-showing-marco-rubios-brazen-hypocrisy-immigration)amnesty, the Dream Act, wants bigger border walls, and wants to require English proficiency for green cards.

Trump: Donald Trump may be running as the anti-politician, speaking with a brashness that sets him apart from the veiled rhetoric of other GOP candidates. But Trump’s speeches are filled (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/07/donald_trump_s_brand_is_suffering_the_real_estate_ tycoon.html) with clichés, whether racist diatribes against Mexican immigrants or endless boasts about his business acumen. The big lie coming from Trump goes beyond reducing the presidency to a negotiator-in-chief, but has to do with how he has had many failures in business. Not only is his offend-all-comers campaign style undermining (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/07/donald_trump_s_brand_is_suffering_the_real_estate_ tycoon.html) his brand (as business partners tear up the contracts), but Trump’s past is filled (http://www.alternet.org/21-questions-donald-trump)with shady deals and business flops.

Walker: Scott Walker is running with the claim that he, above all other Republicans, has the best record of fighting (http://www.wsj.com/articles/scott-walker-joins-race-as-fighter-for-the-right-1436831205) for right-wing values and winning over voters in a purple state, or at least one with a notable Democratic presence. The fighter cliché is tedious and one-domensional, as if being the biggest bully is the top qualification for office. The big lie is Walker’s tenure as governor has been anything but (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/scott-walker/) the success he claims. Wisconsin’s economy has lagged behind its neighbors, and his unprovoked political battles—from bashing union to restricting abortion—has left Wisconsin with its most polarized electorate in years.

Cruz: Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign is predicated (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121354/ted-cruz-not-serious-credible-candidate-presidency) on the libertartian conceit that America would be great again if politicians were truthful and government ensured the widest possible liberties for all citizens and businesses. The cliché that liberty heals all wounds and solves all problems is absurd. But the big lie is that candidate Cruz is a truth-teller, not a shameless provocateur, such saying (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/us/politics/obama-criticizes-huckabee-trump-cruz-and-other-republicans.html?_r=1) the White House’s nuclear arms deal with Iran makes the administration “the leading financier of terrorism against America in the world.”

Huckabee: Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s leading claim to electoral fame, beside being an evangelical warrior in the White House, is that he knows (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417908/how-mike-huckabee-plans-move-beyond-evangelicals-eliana-johnson)the Clintons better than anyone—which makes him the best man to face Hillary. To start, it’s a cliché, and a bad one, to say that Hillary is a carbon copy of Bill. But the bigger cliché and lie is comes from the pages of pre-campaignbook (http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Grits-Gravy-Mike-Huckabee/dp/1250060990), which divides America into two tribes—rural red necks and urban liberals—and then stereotypes and insults Americans who live on the coasts in a manner that’s echoes his rants on his former Fox TV show.

Christie. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie portrays himself as the candidate who’s least afraid to tell hard truths and make grown-up decisions. These clichés fill his speeches, where, as the Washington Post noted (http://www.silive.com/opinion/columns/index.ssf/2014/04/christie_utters_facile_cliches.html), Christie seems to recite every empty phrase in the campaign lexicon (“This isn’t about me,” “Is America better off now?” “Are we going forward or backward?”). But the big lie of Christie’s campaign is that he brings people and solutions together, when his record is filled with small-minded bullying (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/08/chris-christies-problem-is-that-hes-really-truly-a-bully/), revenge-taking (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/24406531/chris-christies-bridge-revenge-scandal-could-take-toll) and taking ideological stances (like cancelling (http://www.wsj.com/articles/decision-to-cancel-train-tunnels-dogs-gov-chris-christie-1438131174) a commuter tunnel to New York City) that makes life harder for real people.

Paul. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is running as the GOP candidate least likely (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/rand-paul-doesnt-run-with-the-herd-118951.html) to do all the clichéd tasks required of contenders: such as show up at Iowa pork roasts or pander to single-issue summits. But despite Paul’s libertarian leanings, he has reversed course on many issues, to try to kickstart his campaign. Aid to Israel (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/27/republican-2016-hopefuls-reverse-course-to-appeal-/?page=all), curbing defense spending (http://politicalwire.com/2015/03/26/paul-reverses-position-on-defense-spending/) and overseas drone warfare (http://www.govexec.com/technology/2015/04/rand-paul-reverses-course-drones/111190/)are just three examples where he's flip-flopped, showing that Paul isn’t a libertarian purist, but a politician playing to constituencies.

Kasich. Ohio Gov. John Kasich is the last candidate to officially announce. Heframed (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/07/21/Kasich_transcript.html) his candidacy in Reaganesque clichés of restoring the American dream, expanding the military, cutting domestic spending, and upholding traditional values. The big lie behind his faith-and-family pronouncements is that Kasich made (http://columbusfreepress.com/article/10-ways-kasich-hurts-ohioans) untold millions between his stints in office by working for the failed Wall Street bank, Lehman Brothers, including (http://columbusfreepress.com/article/10-ways-kasich-hurts-ohioans) helping to sell $500 million of bad debt to Ohio retirement funds. As governor, he cut social programs, environmental laws, public school spending, abortion and LGBT rights, penalized welfare recipients and gerrymandered legislative districts to ensure a GOP majority. In a field filled with charlatans, bullies and braggarts, Kasich is not another good old boy—he’s devious and dangerous right-wing hit man.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/10-biggest-lies-and-cliches-spouted-so-far-top-10-republicans-debating-tonight

TheSanityAnnex

08-06-2015, 03:42 PM

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thunder

08-06-2015, 03:47 PM

pity post

Splits

08-06-2015, 03:54 PM

Clipper Nation

08-06-2015, 03:58 PM

pity post

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 04:00 PM

Repug debates are ....

GUN-FREE ZONES!

:lol The HYPOCRAZEE!

We want guns everywhere for everyone all the time, but not around us Repug assholes!

CosmicCowboy

08-06-2015, 05:02 PM

Personally I think the debate will be entertaining as hell. I'm opening a bottle of good wine and kicking back for the show.

CosmicCowboy

08-06-2015, 05:05 PM

BTW if you think Fox is gonna throw softballs like CNN does for Obama you will probably be very surprised.

They mugged the 5 oclock wanna be's.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/08/moderators-to-gop-undercard-why-are-you-so-bad-211978.html

Splits

08-06-2015, 05:22 PM

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What a fucking clown show. The questions were so horrible. Not even softballs, just completely framed and teed up :lmao

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"What two words would you use to describe Hilary Clinton?" What a hard-hitting question! And :lmao none of them can count to 2

CosmicCowboy

08-06-2015, 05:29 PM

So what two words would you use?

Splits

08-06-2015, 05:30 PM

So what two words would you use?

War monger

CosmicCowboy

08-06-2015, 05:31 PM

doesn't suck

at least that is what Bill and Monica said.

spurraider21

08-06-2015, 05:32 PM

:lmao booboo still trying to hide satirical links by making the font smaller

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a36915/questions-for-republican-candidates-2016-first-debate/

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/08/06/3688670/7-genuinely-tough-questions-for-the-first-gop-debate-that-fox-news-probably-wont-ask/

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/psychologists-urge-people-with-low-self-esteem-to-watch-g-o-p-debate?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(33)&cndid=&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(33)&CNDID=&spMailingID=7964713&spUserID=MjczNzc0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=740781411&spReportId=NzQwNzgxNDExS0

TeyshaBlue

08-06-2015, 07:39 PM

:lol. Moonbats on parade!

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 07:43 PM

I'm really looking forward to this dependent. I'm not a Republican, but I always lean more towards conservatism in general.

JohnnyMarzetti

08-06-2015, 07:49 PM

Carly pulled no punches for sure.

DMX7

08-06-2015, 08:12 PM

Did Rubio just make the first factual error? Amazon is the largest retailer in the world? Is it larger than Wal-mart?

Clipper Nation

08-06-2015, 08:13 PM

Trump taking a wet shit on the PC crowd :worthy:

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 08:15 PM

Christ, the live audiences are the worst part of these debates.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 08:16 PM

I'm really looking forward to this dependent. I'm not a Republican, but I always lean more towards conservatism in general.
I've never voted Republican

At 31 years old I seem to learn more towards Republican. But the foreign policy [When they start debating Iran] is a disaster. As someone with family overseas, it's an important topic for me. But I recognize most Americans don't care unless a family member is in the military.

DMX7

08-06-2015, 08:19 PM

Trump taking a wet shit on the PC crowd :worthy:

Didn't spare Megyn Kelly either.

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 08:21 PM

I've never voted Republican

At 31 years old I seem to learn more towards Republican. But the foreign policy [When they start debating Iran] is a disaster. As someone with family overseas, it's an important topic for me. But I recognize most Americans don't care unless a family member is in the military.

The foreign policy has been a disaster from that party GW took over. They have ideals instead of solutions. Their ideals leads them to rash decisions and then they get in too deep and have no idea how to get it out. Been a common theme since 2003.

DMX7

08-06-2015, 08:23 PM

john kasich is the only republican I wouldn't be crushed to see win the general election.

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 08:26 PM

Trump is ranting like a drunk man :lol Just repeating his canned lines from the last month.

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 08:27 PM

Trump is ranting like a drunk man :lol Just repeating his canned lines from the last month.

He has no choice. He's been shooting from the hip from day one. He has to keep it up.

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 08:28 PM

He has no choice. He's been shooting from the hip from day one. He has to keep it up.

It looks like they're going to let him get away with it. I thought they'd be a bit tougher.

Splits

08-06-2015, 08:30 PM

Trump taking a wet shit on the PC crowd :worthy:

:lol you are so fucking stupid. He is getting crushed by a bunch of clowns

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 08:31 PM

Trump is doing fine considering the 8 person setup. He needs more time to answer questions otherwise he comes off a bit passion over content.

The finger pointing "I was right. I was right" about illegal immigration was a bit childish. Not Presidential.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 08:31 PM

Kasich does actually sound like a reasonable person compared to everyone around him.

Splits

08-06-2015, 08:32 PM

Obviously Murdoch has put the hit job on Trump. It's a shame, cuz The Donald does so much damage to the fascist brand, need him around until the primaries start

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 08:33 PM

Kasich does actually sound like a reasonable person compared to everyone around him.

yep, but he has a nasty, extreme right wing record as Gov, fucking up stuff like all Repug politicians do.

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 08:35 PM

It looks like they're going to let him get away with it. I thought they'd be a bit tougher.

Honestly, no one there really knows enough of the facts to get tough with him.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 08:37 PM

The foreign policy has been a disaster from that party GW took over. They have ideals instead of solutions. Their ideals leads them to rash decisions and then they get in too deep and have no idea how to get it out. Been a common theme since 2003.
I agree. "Let's take the fight to them" seems to be the gameplan. Only gameplan.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 08:38 PM

Christie vs Paul

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 08:41 PM

Christie goes to the 9/11 well twice

:lol

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 08:41 PM

So using Ted Cruz's dumbass logic if you label people islamic terrorists it'll magically end ISIS.

DMX7

08-06-2015, 08:42 PM

LOL, Ted Cruz just cited a General's convincing perspective on defeating ISIS and then basically called him an idiot for thinking that.

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 08:42 PM

"Not even softballs, just completely framed and teed up"

That's Fox, playing kingmaker, "voting" against these hopeless losers.

Trill Clinton

08-06-2015, 08:43 PM

rethuglicans are going to milk 9/11 forever huh

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Spurminator

08-06-2015, 08:43 PM

Cruz is really scraping the bottom. Semantics and appealing to the basest emotions.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 08:46 PM

There are just too many people on stage. Hard to establish a clear opinion on anyone

boutons_deux

08-06-2015, 08:47 PM

Cruz is really scraping the bottom. Semantics and appealing to the basest emotions.

Krazy Kruz pandering to his ignorant, stupid, redneck, Christian supremacist base.

Trill Clinton

08-06-2015, 08:55 PM

these old farts got their tans on fleek

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 08:56 PM

Looks like the Bush/Rubio '16 ticket is booked.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 09:03 PM

They really should pare down the field as the debate goes on. Tourney style... Cruz, Huckabee and Carson shouldn't even be up there anymore.

HI-FI

08-06-2015, 09:05 PM

Jeb is clearly a better speaker than Dubya (but then who isn't :lol) but he seems even more of a slimy salesman for the elites.

ElNono

08-06-2015, 09:08 PM

:lol damn, Rubio has every cookie cut speech on the ready...

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 09:11 PM

The hit put out on Trump is real :lol

HI-FI

08-06-2015, 09:13 PM

Not into blondes but Megyn Kelly needs a good hot stuffing so bad.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 09:13 PM

Trump's poll numbers will go up after tonight.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:15 PM

Trump's poll numbers will go up after tonight.He'll get the entire angry while guy vote and absolutely nothing else. Shit is hilarious.

HI-FI

08-06-2015, 09:17 PM

Trump's poll numbers will go up after tonight.
I think so. I love his rebuttal to Chris Wallace. I like Trump, not sure as president but he's a funny and passionate guy.

Blizzardwizard

08-06-2015, 09:17 PM

Not even Scott Walker's mother likes Scott Walker.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 09:17 PM

"Things actually discussed in the GOP debate so far..tithing, torture, great walls, repeals. Clearly the right solutions to problems in 1374."

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 09:18 PM

Iran is in the middle of the Evil

:lol

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 09:18 PM

Now that Cruz has been basically ignored for 30 minutes, Huckabee is taking over bottom scraping duties.

Blizzardwizard

08-06-2015, 09:20 PM

Social Issues. This ought to be fun.

Just waiting for Paul to tell us he's a 'maverick' and a 'champion of social justice'.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 09:21 PM

Huckabee dropping 15 year old foiled mantra

Glad the crowd gave an uninterested clap

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:24 PM

"Choose Life" license plates!

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 09:25 PM

Iran is in the middle of the Evil

:lol

Yeah, they really have no clue about the Middle East.

Blizzardwizard

08-06-2015, 09:26 PM

This audience :lol

"Ugh I can't answer your question but..I love our constitution!" *rapturous applause and whooping*.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:33 PM

Kasich trying to throw dirt on the ghey issue. Kind of a general election answer. Playing the long game.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 09:34 PM

Kasich trying to throw dirt on the ghey issue. Kind of a general election answer. Playing the long game.

That was strong, and got one of the loudest cheers from the crowd. A lot of closeted ok-with-gay Republicans might be coming out soon.

Blizzardwizard

08-06-2015, 09:37 PM

Fox trolling all the angry white people by playing the Straight Out of Compton trailer.

spurraider21

08-06-2015, 09:39 PM

:lol destruction in various corners of the world

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 09:40 PM

:lol Cruz

The only reason Iran released the hostages on Day 1 of Reagan's administration was to spite Carter. No other reason.

Pelicans78

08-06-2015, 09:41 PM

Carson seems too unsure of himself when he talks.

Blizzardwizard

08-06-2015, 09:44 PM

"The point of the army is to kill people and break things."

:makemyday

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:44 PM

Huckabee demanding a new strategic bomber fleet?

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:45 PM

"The point of the army is to kill people and break things."

:makemydayGood to know he would've been against integrating the armed forced back in the day.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:46 PM

Carson seems too unsure of himself when he talks.He was thrown off by the litany of Perry-sized gaffes that were thrown at him.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 09:50 PM

Just give Poland the Nuke Bomb and be done with it

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:55 PM

CROFL ask the only black guy the only race relations question.

:tuFox

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 09:57 PM

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Spurminator

08-06-2015, 09:57 PM

Ohio almost died??? I had no idea.

Th'Pusher

08-06-2015, 09:58 PM

Winners tonight are Kasich, Rubio and to a lesser extent Pual and Christie. Jeb did nothing to stand out from the pack. Trumps a buffoon, but a crowd pleaser. It won't last though.

Walker was was suprisingly unremarkable.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 09:58 PM

Ohio almost died??? I had no idea.Kasich was pretty presidential til that panic move.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 09:58 PM

CROFL ask the only black guy the only race relations question.

:tuFox
The questions were mostly angle based. "You voted against X in......."

I liked it. Better than one question and everyone trying to 1-up each answer

DMX7

08-06-2015, 09:59 PM

"Things actually discussed in the GOP debate so far..tithing, torture, great walls, repeals. Clearly the right solutions to problems in 1374."
We're is that quote from?

HI-FI

08-06-2015, 09:59 PM

These rehearsed closing speeches are turrible.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 10:01 PM

Kasich was pretty presidential til that panic move.

Yeah his only blunder of the night. I liked that he dodged the God question.

He'll get Huntsmanned though. No chance.

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 10:04 PM

I can't take Trump seriously when he ends every statement with that troll expression :lol

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 10:07 PM

Trump is thinking 3rd Party after tonight.

Walker is the only guy that didn't stand out at all.

spurraider21

08-06-2015, 10:08 PM

:cry what did god tell you :cry

i really wanted to hear trump's answer for that one :lol

InRareForm

08-06-2015, 10:13 PM

I watched for entertainment value, and it brought it

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 10:16 PM

Cruz sounds like a loose cannon. His closing statement was a list of things to piss everyone [domestically & overseas] off.

Warlord23

08-06-2015, 10:16 PM

"What does God tell you" combined with "What about the veterans" ... It's almost as if Fox is trolling their redneck base

HI-FI

08-06-2015, 10:17 PM

Luntz and the ZWO taking out Trump already. :lol

ElNono

08-06-2015, 10:18 PM

waiting for somebody to advance that God is 'Murican... "he's the best after all"... :lol

HI-FI

08-06-2015, 10:19 PM

This Luntz shit seems like SCTV.
these have to be actors.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 10:21 PM

Yeah I ditched during Carson's close to switch over to Stewart. Fascinating cameo by Wyatt Cenac.

DMX7

08-06-2015, 10:26 PM

Kasich was pretty presidential til that panic move.

Yep, that was a definitely a bad moment for him.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 10:26 PM

Fascinating cameo by Wyatt Cenac.

That was cool.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 10:34 PM

Yep, that was a definitely a bad moment for him.
Don't remember moment. Recap?

Blake

08-06-2015, 10:35 PM

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Lol. No doubt she's had that tweet in the holster ready to fire since early this morning.

spurraider21

08-06-2015, 10:36 PM

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Lol. No doubt she's had that tweet in the holster ready to fire since early this morning.
lol "she"

Blake

08-06-2015, 10:38 PM

lol "she"

:lol

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 10:44 PM

It's amazing that a future Republican presidential candidate had to take part in that that farce.

Clipper Nation

08-06-2015, 10:45 PM

This Luntz shit seems like SCTV.
these have to be actors.
You didn't honestly think Fox was going to allow Trump supporters on air, did you? The GOP needs this shit rigged for Jeb! as soon as possible. Hence all the biased-ass questions they were asking Trump.

jag

08-06-2015, 10:48 PM

I don't know why anyone is surprised with Trump's performance. He's entertaining. He's great tv. But when exactly has he appeared to have any substance?

Those on the right who thought he was a viable candidate, shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 10:50 PM

jag

08-06-2015, 10:57 PM

He was actually more substantive than I expected he would be.

Still a god-awful choice for President of the United States. But still, he exceeded my very low expectations, and was absolutely the most interesting thing over the two hours.

He didn't say anything he hasn't already said in his few interviews. He seems like a guy running out of material.

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 10:57 PM

He didn't say anything he hasn't already said in his few interviews. He seems like a guy running out of material.

That may be. I typically avoid his interviews.

tlongII

08-06-2015, 10:59 PM

Carson was tremendous I thought. Great closing statement and great statement on race.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:00 PM

Carson was tremendous I thought. Great closing statement and great statement on race.If he really made all those gaffes listed at the beginning, you are really in favor of affirmative action.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 11:00 PM

Carson was tremendous I thought. Great closing statement and great statement on race.
I want my daughter to find a good man like him

Spurminator

08-06-2015, 11:00 PM

Carson's statement on race was just pandering to the "I'm tired of hearing about racism" white voter.

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:02 PM

Doesn't matter what you libcucks think, trump won the debate according to 40% of conservatives on drudge. And Cruz is 2nd with 13% and they are screwing with the numbers because earlier trump was at 60%.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 11:03 PM

Carson's statement on race was just pandering to the "I'm tired of hearing about racism" white voter.
There is ALOT of those types

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:04 PM

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:05 PM

The first candidate to get up there and yell "gas the kikes, race war now!" Gets my vote

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:05 PM

loldrudge

:cry They're screwing with the numbers! :cry
Look it's bigshill. Muh Bernie lel

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:06 PM

Hillary is gonna lose and go to jail and Cruz or trump is gonna win, deal with it! Day of the rope nears!

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:07 PM

Look it's bigshill. Muh Bernie lelLook it's tin foil fascist!

:cry Muh conspiracy! :cry

spurraider21

08-06-2015, 11:07 PM

Carson was tremendous I thought. Great closing statement and great statement on race.
his statement on race relations was "we shouldn't talk about race relations"

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:07 PM

Hillary is gonna lose and go to jail and Cruz or trump is gonna win, deal with it! Day of the rope nears!You're such a coward you won't even say what the day of the rope is.

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:08 PM

Look it's tin foil fascist!

:cry Muh conspiracy! :cry
Kruppstahl panzer fascist

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:09 PM

You're such a coward you won't even say what the day of the rope is.
Fuck off kike! You're so mad because you literally can't stump the trump!! Shill harder!

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:09 PM

Kruppstahl panzer fascistPussy.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:10 PM

Fuck off like! You're so mad because you literally can't stump the trump!! Shill harder!I don't have to do anything about Trump. You're so mad because you are such a coward and get called out on it regularly.

jag

08-06-2015, 11:10 PM

If you know anything about Carson's history, I don't see how you could question his sincerity with regard to his comments on race.

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:10 PM

Pussy.
That's what your wife said to you on your anniversary punk.

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Splits

08-06-2015, 11:11 PM

his statement on race relations was "we shouldn't talk about race relations"

Which is why it was "great" in tscholng's head.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:11 PM

That's what your wife said to you on your anniversary punk.

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m>s

08-06-2015, 11:15 PM

No, I called you a pussy tonight because you ran away when I called you out again.

I haven't run away from anything David

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ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:16 PM

I haven't run away from anything DavidSure you did, David.

What is the day of the rope?

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:17 PM

does anyone else see the fascist undertones in trump's campaign? we are literally about to break through!!!

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:17 PM

Sure you did, David.

What is the day of the rope?

it's where you hang yourself, commie. your jimmies are so fucking rustled because this is the end of the line. big changes are coming.

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:19 PM

it's where you hang yourself, commieReally? That is not a popular definition. And where did your term come from?

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:20 PM

Really? And where did this term come from?
it comes from your inner feelings of self hatred, libcuck. we are taking america back

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ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:22 PM

it comes from your inner feelings of self hatred, libcuck. we are taking america backI don't use that term so it has nothing to do with me.

I can tell you're uncomfortable with this because you started in with the memes again.

Is there another definition you know of for day of the rope?

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:23 PM

I don't use that term so it has nothing to do with me.

I can tell you're uncomfortable with this because you started in with the memes again.

Is there another definition you know of for day of the rope?
menes?? :DD

ChumpDumper

08-06-2015, 11:25 PM

menes?? :DDIs there another definition you know of for day of the rope?

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:26 PM

Name literally one thing that trump got wrong

protip: you can't

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 11:34 PM

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:37 PM

Let's be honest. Kasich and Bush are the only two Republicans that can win a general election and Bush's family is the anchor around his neck so Kasich is really the GOP's only hope. The rest of them are dullards, pretenders, or batshit crazy.
Bush was favored in the debate by only like 2% of drudge readers. This mentality of "you have to be a moderate center left" to win is absurd. This election will be won by either trump or Cruz the two guys who actually stand by their beliefs. People are sick of fake.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 11:39 PM

Who was the guy that wants to arm everyone in Eastern Europe?

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:39 PM

republican party has little choice but to endorse trump. If they go with someone else he will run third party and endure defeat. A recent poll indicated that 35% of gop voters would vote for trump if he ran as an independent.

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:40 PM

Who was the guy that wants to arm everyone in Eastern Europe?
Idk but he's a kike shill, absolutely no more white on white infighting. Time to pull together to save our race.

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 11:40 PM

Bush was favored in the debate by only like 2% of drudge readers. This mentality of "you have to be a moderate center left" to win is absurd. This election will be won by either trump or Cruz the two guys who actually stand by their beliefs. People are sick of fake.

Cruz? The guy that answered the question of how to defeat ISIS is to call people radical islamic terrorists? Because name calling will magically end ISIS. He's in the dullard category. There's a reason the moderators ignored him after he gave his dumbass answers :lol

ducks

08-06-2015, 11:42 PM

Trump wins
http://www.drudgereport.com/now.htm
I think his lack of debating hurt him

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:42 PM

Cruz? The guy that answered the question of how to defeat ISIS is to call people radical islamic terrorists? Because name calling will magically end ISIS. He's in the dullard category. There's a reason the moderators ignored him after he gave his dumbass answers :lol
Like I said it doesn't matter what you as a liberal think it only matters how conservatives perceive him and right now he's the 2nd choice behind trump. Don't worry he won't run on the democrat ticket you can have your dyke princess.

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:44 PM

Infinite are you ready comrade, can you feel it? The earth will once again shake under the footsteps of her mightiest children.

Jacob1983

08-06-2015, 11:48 PM

So tonight was an indicator that it's gonna be Bush-Kasich right? Bush's ties with Latinos can help him win the Latino vote and Kasich being okay with homosexuals will win the gay vote. The Republicans got this.

I really hope Trump runs as a 3rd party candidate. It would be awesome.

hitmanyr2k

08-06-2015, 11:49 PM

Like I said it doesn't matter what you as a liberal think it only matters how conservatives perceive him and right now he's the 2nd choice behind trump. Don't worry he won't run on the democrat ticket you can have your dyke princess.

It doesn't matter who dumbass conservatives pick. They can "perceive" all they want. The general public isn't voting for a cretin like Cruz or a troll like Trump. They'll join McCain and Romney in the GOP graveyard.

Infinite_limit

08-06-2015, 11:51 PM

Infinite are you ready comrade, can you feel it? The earth will once again shake under the footsteps of her mightiest children.
My childhood Republican buddy who served in military likes Cruz. It would help if Biden ran against Hillary.

Republican foreign policy is a mess but yet even most Democrats agree to an extent. Religious segments are annoying but so is Democrat pandering to the "less fortunate". Abortion is really the one topic Republicans need to turn the page. People especially in the USA should be capable of affordable if not free abortions. Don't need poor and/or dumb reproducing. Some against contraceptives and abortions, what is the logic

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:55 PM

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:56 PM

It doesn't matter who dumbass conservatives pick. They can "perceive" all they want. The general public isn't voting for a cretin like Cruz or a troll like Trump. They'll join McCain and Romney in the GOP graveyard.
The so called general public is becoming increasingly conservative. The pendulum Is swinging back. Shillary or the communist kike won't win.

m>s

08-06-2015, 11:59 PM

My childhood Republican buddy who served in military likes Cruz. It would help if Biden ran against Hillary.

Republican foreign policy is a mess but yet even most Democrats agree to an extent. Religious segments are annoying but so is Democrat pandering to the "less fortunate". Abortion is really the one topic Republicans need to turn the page. People especially in the USA should be capable of affordable if not free abortions. Don't need poor and/or dumb reproducing. Some against contraceptives and abortions, what is the logic

honestly im more excited about the rise of the far right in Europe. I just want trump in as a security policy that some SJW president won't bomb us when we liberate Europe

hitmanyr2k

08-07-2015, 12:00 AM

The so called general public is becoming increasingly conservative. The pendulum Is swinging back. Shillary or the communist kike won't win.

That's what they said when Romney was running :lol

m>s

08-07-2015, 12:02 AM

That's what they said when Romney was running :lol
Romney www a Mormon and the one guy who could actually lose to onigga

Infinite_limit

08-07-2015, 12:05 AM

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/biff3_zpsk4hiwfib.jpg

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/biff2_zpsq2zhwcxo.jpg

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/BiffHotTub_zpsinhwaois.jpg

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac255/kegstermd/trump_zpsjjbqa2uc.png

hitmanyr2k

08-07-2015, 12:11 AM

Romney www a Mormon and the one guy who could actually lose to onigga

It doesn't matter what Romney was. I still remember Fox news in their little Republican fantasy land thinking Romney was going to win in a landslide and got their viewers' hopes up. Even Romney was fooled :lol

ElNono

08-07-2015, 12:16 AM

m>s

08-07-2015, 12:18 AM

It doesn't matter what Romney was. I still remember Fox news in their little Republican fantasy land thinking Romney was going to win in a landslide and got their viewers' hopes up. Even Romney was fooled :lol
Well just don't compare Romney to trump they are two different individuals. Hillary may not even have to run she could be facing jail time

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/11/hillary-clinton-could-face-jail-time-as-email-scan/?page=all

ElNono

08-07-2015, 12:20 AM

Bush was favored in the debate by only like 2% of drudge readers. This mentality of "you have to be a moderate center left" to win is absurd. This election will be won by either trump or Cruz the two guys who actually stand by their beliefs. People are sick of fake.

You mean the primary? Sure. But neither party can win the general election with their base alone. They're going to have to cater to the center, latinos, women, etc sooner or later...

Trump might be able to manage because his record is everywhere... he can be say and do whatever, he'll get a pass because he's basically a walking reality show.

Cruz has no chance, IMO

Fabbs

08-07-2015, 12:29 AM

Did Hump net gain or net lose with his Rosie Odonell snarks?

HI-FI

08-07-2015, 12:49 AM

Did Hump net gain or net lose with his Rosie Odonell snarks?
I loved his answer to Megyn Kelly, especially the smirk on his face when she quoted him as saying "you look better on your knees" :lol
Trump has a good sense of humor. Like Mark Cuban said, it's just refreshing to have someone raw like him.

Splits

08-07-2015, 01:00 AM

Some against contraceptives and abortions, what is the logic

Slut-shaming. Since they are overweight pasty fucks who can't get that pussy, they don't want anyone else to have it. So they slut-shame and enter the uterus any way they can. It's pathetic.

ducks

08-07-2015, 01:01 AM

A total setup by frankLuntz and #FOXNEWSDEBATE to try to lower #Trump2016 high poll numbers. American people will not fall for your tricks.
8:31 PM - 6 Aug 2015
290 290 Retweets 295 295 favorites

Splits

08-07-2015, 01:04 AM

A total setup by fran (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4372)kLuntz and #FOXNEWSDEBATE to try to lower #Trump2016 high poll numbers. American people will not fall for your tricks.
8:31 PM - 6 Aug 2015
290 290 Retweets 295 295 favorites

Great job ducks. Your handle on technology is fantastic.

You have 50000 posts here and don't know how to embed a tweet? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Jacob1983

08-07-2015, 02:53 AM

How much money are the Republicans going to have to give Trump to bow out and not run 3rd party?

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 04:53 AM

it's just refreshing to have someone raw like him.

... which has fuck all to do with running the Executive branch.

Pelicans78

08-07-2015, 05:34 AM

Let's be honest. Kasich and Bush are the only two Republicans that can win a general election and Bush's family is the anchor around his neck so Kasich is really the GOP's only hope. The rest of them are dullards, pretenders, or batshit crazy.

I agree. I was most impressed with Kasich tonight, but I think Bush will be in it for the long haul. No one else really impressed me tonight. Trump was terrible, but he still has a big lead for now. However, I think he will burn out and the conservatives will move away from him especially if he continues to have more performances like he did tonight.

Cruz and Rubio are really one and the same and they won't sustain a long primary campaign. Carson looked like he had no clue overall and no way he will win any of the primaries. He's really wasting his time and everyone else's by being in the race.

In the end, if the GOP want any chance, they're gonna have to go with Bush and Kasich as the frontrunners for the primary. I think Bush will win it in the end, but Kasich seems to be a really quality candidate.

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 05:55 AM

Ohio Journalists On The Real John Kasich: Anti-Union, Anti-Choice, Anti-Marriage Equality

His efforts to cut state spending and balance the budget did reduce taxes, but put more of a burden on local governments,

Then there are his often-forgotten fights against abortion and gay rights, according to Chrissie Thompson, a Cincinnati Enquirer state government reporter since 2013.

The recent U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide stemmed from the Ohio-based Obergefell vs. Hodges (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-jim-obergefell-became-the-face-of-the-supreme-court-gay-marriage-case/2015/04/06/3740433c-d958-11e4-b3f2-607bd612aeac_story.html) case, in which plaintiff Jim Obergefell sued to be listed on his spouse's death certificate as the surviving spouse. Defendant Richard Hodges (http://www.odh.ohio.gov/landing/Director%20Hodges%20Bio%202014.aspx), the Ohio director of public health, is a Kasich appointee.

"The department of health was the lead defendant in Obergefell vs. Hodges in the gay marriage debate," Thompson said. "Kasich opposed same-sex marriage and he authorized the fight to protect our gay marriage ban."

Since he took office, Kasich has also signed restrictive abortion bills (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/john-kasich-candidate-president-background) that have led to half of the state's 16 abortion clinics closing, with the potential for more to close (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/06/25/abortion-protests.html) in the near future.

"He had signed some abortion restrictions and those have resulted in the closure of some of our abortion clinics in Ohio," Thompson said. "He does not like to talk about it a lot."

roposal known as Senate Bill 5, Kasich's effort to clamp down on collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. Similar to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's more publicized union fight, the Kasich measure was passed and signed into law, but drew harsh criticism. It was eventually voted down (http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/11/ohio_voters_overwhelmingly_rej.html) overwhelmingly via a ballot referendum later that year.

"Senate Bill 5 was hugely controversial," recalls Laura Bischoff, a 14-year statehouse reporter with the Dayton Daily News. "They wanted to really gut collective bargaining rights for public employees and it sparked huge protests at the statehouse, bigger than I've ever seen."

Bischoff also pointed to Kasich's privatizing of some prisons, a move that drew corrections officer complaints about conditions and resulted in an audit (http://citybeat.com/cincinnati/article-26322-prison_privatization_blues.html) that found 47 violations in one private institution.

"There is a question as to whether it saved money more than projected, the union that represents corrections officers said it was bad," Bischoff said. "There was one audit report that was really bad about conditions the inmates were living in."

Kasich's economic stimulus program, JobsOhio, is another point of contention, according to reporters. The private, non-profit agency was created to help spark job growth, but in a secretive fashion (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/07/john_kasich_likely_to_tout_job.html) that exempts it from state open public record laws and limits state audit oversight. (sounds just like JimmyRicky's secret slush fund of taxpayer $100Ms)

"People didn't like the fact that it's now somewhat shrouded in secrecy with public money,"

He believes in the private sector and letting the private sector do as much as possible on things. He's made efforts to privatize as much as he can."

the claim that Kasich eliminated an $8 billion deficit and shored up the state's "rainy day" surplus fund. But in reality, he cut funding to local governments and school districts, forcing many to increase their own taxes and fees.

"By reducing their funding, now they are having to go to voters and ask for local levies to help make that up," said Jackie Borchardt (http://twitter.com/JMBorchardt) of The Plain Dealer in Cleveland. "The local government or school district is having to raise more revenue that way. In his first budget, he did slash spending for education. He cut it and local governments have said they continue to chip away at their funding."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/07/23/ohio-journalists-on-the-real-john-kasich-anti-u/204560

Kasich also expanded Medicaid under ACA, which should make tea baggers HATE him.

So Kasich is nothing but an another extreme right wing ideologue, out of step with the majority of the USA, and of course, STRONG of black voter suppression.

Ohio hit with federal lawsuit over GOP voting restrictions

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ohio-hit-lawsuit-over-gop-passed-voting-restrictions

And like in 2004, we can expect election-throwing counting fraud by the OH Repug secretary of state

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 06:03 AM

5 Things To Remember About John Kasich

1. He’s got a symbiotic relationship with Fox News.

2. He’s got a temper.

He might appear to be a pretty mild-mannered guy – more Scott Walker than Chris Christie. But his temper has pushed away donors (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/john-kasichs-anger-management-120345.html) before and even other politicians have sent out warnings about Kasich’s occasional outbursts.

His temper has been noted by reporters both local and national, from the ‘90s (http://kousibei.net/:/www.nytimes.com/1998/04/26/magazine/a-republican-with-rough-edges.html?src=pm&pagewanted=2) to the present day (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ohios-kasich-wants-to-redefine-the-republican-party/2014/10/14/7d526026-4ff1-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html). “Abrasive” is a term that is commonly attributed to him

3. He’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act

4. He’s a proponent of restricting collective bargaining rights.

5. He was involved in Lehman Brothers directly before it filed for bankruptcy.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/5-surprising-things-about-john-kasich/2/

So he's an investment banker, Warrior on Employees, pro-privatization at all costs, and extreme right wing ideologue.

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 06:10 AM

John Kasich Halted A Program That Saved Consumers $230 Million

In 2014 he signed a bill (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/28/3442396/ohio-renewable-energy-vote/) freezing a successful clean energy program. Ohio’s renewable portfolio standard (RPS) had created 25,000 jobs (http://www.forbes.com/sites/edfenergyexchange/2014/05/15/fact-clean-energy-is-working-in-ohio/) and spurred at least $1 billion in private sector investment.

in less than six years, Ohio’s RPS saved consumers (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/28/3442396/ohio-renewable-energy-vote/) roughly $230 million and dropped electricity rates by almost a percent and a half. The efficiency measures that were also frozen had saved ratepayers $1 billion, according to utility company filings (http://blogs.edf.org/energyexchange/files/2014/05/OhioEE_Savingstodate-2.pdf). Perhaps unsurprisingly, the policies were supported by 70 percent of Ohioans.

The reasoning behind the freeze — ostensibly billed as a chance to evaluate the costs and benefits of supporting renewable energy and efficiency — is unclear. But the Koch-funded American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) has been tied to anti-RPS efforts (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/05/3661566/alecs-rps-battleground/) in Ohio as well as several other states.

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, two-thirds (http://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=OH) of Ohio’s electricity came from coal in 2014. Natural gas accounted for 18 percent, and nuclear energy provided 12 percent. Coal

“The environment was given to us by the lord and it needs to be taken care of. It shouldn’t be worshiped, that is called pantheism." :lol

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/21/3682780/kasichs-clean-energy-mistake/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+climateprogress%2FlCrX+%28Cli mate+Progress%29

So Kasich blocks, kills renewable energy programs in order to protect dying coal, coal being killed by natural gas and reduced demand, not by the EPA.

ChumpDumper

08-07-2015, 08:37 AM

So boutons thinks Kasich won the debate....

Spurminator

08-07-2015, 08:54 AM

I have to believe the more people hear from Cruz, the more they'll realize he's talking to them like children. And out of his ass.

TheSanityAnnex

08-07-2015, 09:19 AM

So boutons thinks Kasich won the debate....

:lol

and Trump was awful

TheSanityAnnex

08-07-2015, 09:19 AM

I have to believe the more people hear from Cruz, the more they'll realize he's talking to them like children. And out of his ass.

I re-watched his closing line about 5 times. I was almost in tears.

tlongII

08-07-2015, 09:49 AM

his statement on race relations was "we shouldn't talk about race relations"

He said as a neurosurgeon he doesn't feel the color of someone's skin is relevant essentially. It was an excellent statement and more people should take that approach in my opinion. He's not pushy, but he comes across as relaxed, intelligent, and humorous. He impressed me more than the others in the debate.

hater

08-07-2015, 09:54 AM

its funny how Republicans and Democrats alike get pissed off at Donald Trump when clowns like Hilary, Obama, Bush JR, Palin, and John Mcain are just as smug and delusional or more.

I'm liking Trump to troll both parties tbh :lol

rooting for him for as long as he can hold it.

fuck the establishment

hater

08-07-2015, 09:55 AM

oh and fuck mexicans and other wetbacks for getting mad at him. like no other politician has ever said anything like that before. :rolleyes

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 10:01 AM

:lol what does neurosurgery have to do with being US president? :lol Carson is so out of his depth. Amazing he got into the first group.

m>s

08-07-2015, 10:10 AM

Stop spamming

tlongII

08-07-2015, 10:20 AM

:lol what does neurosurgery have to do with being US president? :lol Carson is so out of his depth. Amazing he got into the first group.

We've seen that career politicians make shitty presidents. Time to try something else.

m>s

08-07-2015, 10:23 AM

:lol what does neurosurgery have to do with being US president? :lol Carson is so out of his depth. Amazing he got into the first group.
Fresh persoective, like tlong said he's not a career politician. Would be better than Obama.

Clipper Nation

08-07-2015, 10:23 AM

:lol what does neurosurgery have to do with being US president? :lol
What does community organizing have to do with being president? At least Carson has actually had a real job in his life.

Blizzardwizard

08-07-2015, 10:51 AM

What does community organizing have to do with being president? At least Carson has actually had a real job in his life.

Bernie is more in touch with normal people than any of the BigCorp Crew, so surely he should be number one.

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 10:52 AM

What does community organizing have to do with being president? At least Carson has actually had a real job in his life.

Obama was a Senator from a major state, not some podunk state like OR.

InRareForm

08-07-2015, 11:00 AM

fo7P1ERN5uY

Clipper Nation

08-07-2015, 11:15 AM

Bernie is more in touch with normal people than any of the BigCorp Crew, so surely he should be number one.
If by "normal people" you mean union bosses and defense contractors, then sure.

tlongII

08-07-2015, 11:32 AM

Obama was a Senator from a major corrupt state, not some podunk state like OR.

fify

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 11:35 AM

CLEVELAND — Based on his performance in Thursday night’s debate, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has emerged as a leading candidate to manage an Enterprise Rent-A-Car branch, Enterprise has confirmed.

Tracy Klugian, a human-resources director for the rental-car giant, said that he did not know what to expect before the debate, but after watching Walker in action he felt confident that the Wisconsinite had “what it takes to succeed at Enterprise.”

“He didn’t get too many moments in the spotlight, but, just from what I saw, I would feel comfortable putting him behind one of our rental counters,” he said.

He indicated that the company would be contacting Walker in the days ahead to discuss a possible future with Enterprise.

“Just to be clear, no promises will be made,” he said. “Best-case scenario, Scott works hard and becomes the manager of one of our branches. For starters, we’d like to train him to be an assistant manager and see how he does with that.”

Enterprise’s faith in Walker appears to be echoed by a new poll, which shows that thirty-one per cent of voters believe he is qualified to assistant-manage a rental-car branch.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/walker-emerges-as-leading-candidate-to-run-enterprise-rent-a-car-branch

hater

08-07-2015, 11:35 AM

fo7P1ERN5uY

:lol

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 11:37 AM

fify

How's Oregon's health care exchange?

Winehole23

08-07-2015, 12:16 PM

pollwise, Trump appears to be the weakest of all against HRC:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

tlongII

08-07-2015, 12:23 PM

How's Oregon's health care exchange?

As shitty as our democrat governor who resigned due to ethics violations recently.

ducks

08-07-2015, 12:32 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189458/PIERS-MORGAN-Yes-Donald-Trump-vicious-arrogant-obnoxious-little-bit-evil-exactly-lot-people-think-make-bloody-good-President.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

ducks

08-07-2015, 12:36 PM

Mel Robbins: Trump won.

The first GOP debate is over and Trump is still winning. He dominated the polls leading into the debate. He dominated the pre-debate commentary. He was the only candidate the press greeted when he arrived in Ohio. And most importantly, the rest of the field wasn't that memorable. Yes Trump's shtick works best when he's on the campaign trail, not the debate stage but Trump didn't do too much damage. At least not enough to knock him from his lead. Plus, Fox pounded him with "gotcha' questions - like - "when did you become a Republican" yet Trump stood firm. He won the night because even despite ridiculous assertions like " building a big beautiful door" in the wall he'd build fencing off Mexico, he managed to hold his lead among nine other GOP candidates.

Mel Robbins

Mel Robbins

Keep in mind, timing is essential in a campaign. And, at this stage in the race, the public is not yet focused on the election. We're focused on paying bills, the end of summer, the start of school, basically - everything but the election. So Trump grabbed our attention early and even though Rubio, Christie and Kasich had a good night, Trump still was more memorable; which means at this stage in the race he won; for now.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/opinions/opinion-gop-debate-roundup/index.html

CosmicCowboy

08-07-2015, 12:55 PM

CosmicCowboy

08-07-2015, 12:57 PM

Fox should offer to host a democrat debate and watch them all run and hide...:lol

ChumpDumper

08-07-2015, 01:22 PM

"What does God tell you to think about America and veterans and puppies?"

Hard hitting.

CosmicCowboy

08-07-2015, 01:46 PM

"What does God tell you to think about America and veterans and puppies?"

Hard hitting.

You obviously didn't watch it.

ChumpDumper

08-07-2015, 01:47 PM

You obviously didn't watch it.That's where I got that question, genius. It was actually asked -- minus the puppies.

Some questions were "tough" but only Wallace really tried to keep on the candidates to actually answer those. Mixed results.

CosmicCowboy

08-07-2015, 01:53 PM

That's where I got that question, genius. It was actually asked -- minus the puppies.

Some questions were "tough" but only Wallace really tried to keep on the candidates to actually answer those. Mixed results.

I sure didn't hear it. Who asked it and who was it directed to?

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 01:57 PM

Republican clowns admit Bernie Sanders is right - They are being BRIBED (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409667/-Republican-clowns-admit-Bernie-Sanders-is-right-They-are-being-BRIBED)

Their brutally honest appraisal of political corruption should be made into an ad for Bernie Sanders...

Vox has a good article (http://www.vox.com/2015/8/6/9114565/donald-trump-debate-money) on the point, but more detail is needed. See below.

Several candidates admit they (and others) are being bribed by wealthy people like Trump, who seems proud of that. The following refers to a video of the debate on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d46sdVMreNg)
Rand Paul (at 15:01 min) says: "He (Trump) buys and sells politicians of all stripes" Trump says he gave to Paul, who nods.

At the 53 min mark Trump says single payer "works incredibly well" (in other countries) and then goes on to admit that in the US the insurance companies "have total control of the politicians".

54:26 the Fox interviewer gets after Trump for donating to Democrats. He reads a Trump quote about how politicians dance for their dollars: "when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do" to which Trump responds "you better believe it"

The response of all the others about how they would like Trump's money is telling, given his statement that donating money is a bribe. Kasich and Huckabee both directly asked for checks.

At 55:16 Trump says "the system is broken... I give to everyone... when I need something from them, two years, three years later, I call them and they are there for me. And that's a broken system."

at 56 min mark Huckabee (when asked about how he would shrink government) states "The problem is we have a Wall street to Washington axis of power that has controlled the political climate. The donor class feeds the political class, that does the dance that the donor class wants."

Of course none of the clowns want to do anything about the bribery problem, but the American people DO.

I hope the Bernie Sanders people make an ad featuring these clowns admitting that the system of bribery is the actual problem.

The people agree, and they need it fixed NOW.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409667/-Republican-clowns-admit-Bernie-Sanders-is-right-They-are-being-BRIBED

hitmanyr2k

08-07-2015, 01:58 PM

Fox certainly set the bar for aggressive grilling of the candidates. If the pussies at the DNC ever let a debate be scheduled will they allow CNN or MSNBC of whoever the designated slow pitch network is to do the same?

Fox sucked. They would ask a tough question but let their dipshit candidates get away with non-answers instead of really grilling them.

Trump, how would you stop illegal immigration? - "Build a wall"
Cruz, how would you stop ISIS? = "I would call them radical...Islamic...terrorists"
Carson, what do you think of the Black Lives Matter movement? - "We're all the same on the inside"

First graders could come up with these answers :lol

ChumpDumper

08-07-2015, 01:59 PM

I sure didn't hear it. Who asked it and who was it directed to?Now I'm beginning to think you didn't watch the debate.

Fully half the candidates were asked the God question. Rubio got vets thrown in on his turn and Carson got race thrown in on his.

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 02:51 PM

Republican debate sets record with 24 million viewers on Fox News Channel
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/republican-debate-sets-record-with-24-million-viewers-on-fox-news-channel/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 04:06 PM

Is Marco Rubio right about 40% of banks wiped out by Dodd-Frank?

"Consolidation in the U.S. banking industry is a multidecade trend that reduced the number of federally insured banks from 17,901 in 1984 to 7,357 in 2011," the FDIC said in its 2012 report.

Asked about Rubio's comments, the Independent Community Bankers of America shared a list showing the number of banks with less than $10 billion in assets. It shows their ranks having fallen by 16 percent since 2010.
Rubio's 40 percent number is in the ballpark when it comes to Florida.

The state had 175 banks as of March 2015.

It had 265 as of June 2010. That's a 34 percent drop.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-rubio-dodd-frank-0807-biz-20150807-story.html

... but bank disappearance, consolidation caused by D-F?

The Cuban is simply fishing for BigFinance donations

Jacob1983

08-07-2015, 05:01 PM

Why did Megyn Kelly interview that dumbass woman from Florida? Wasserman Schultz didn't even know what the NDAA was. I laughed at how she was bitching about how the candidates didn't support gay marriage and equal pay for vaginas. Did that bitch not know it was a Republican debate? Of course they're not going to support those things.

boutons_deux

08-07-2015, 07:26 PM

Greasebag's 9/11 lie (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409794/-Chris-Christie-s-9-11-lie)

whether he really would blame "Senator Paul just for opposing the bulk collection of people’s phone records in the event of a terrorist attack?"

CHRISTIE: Yes, I do. And I’ll tell you why: because I’m the only person on this stage who’s actually filed applications under the Patriot Act, who has gone before the federal—the Foreign Intelligence Service [sic] court, who has prosecuted and investigated and jailed terrorists in this country after September 11th.\\

I was appointed U.S. attorney by President Bush on September 10th, 2001, and the world changed enormously the next day, and that happened in my state.

Setting aside that is the "Surveillance" Court, and that U.S. attorneys don't go before the FISC, there's a big problem here. Maybe Christie was so affected by the events of that day and the aftermath that his memory has got all foggy. Because, as Marcy points out, Christie wasn't nominated for the U.S. attorney post until December of that year and started in January 2002. Which his official biography (http://nj.gov/governor/admin/about/) as governor confirms. Given Christie's, or at least his administration's, penchant for political payback, here's the part of this that is more interesting than just his lying about when he started the job.

Christie implies he was involved in the dragnet in question. He was US Attorney from January 2002 to December 2008—so he in fact would have been in office during the two years when the phone dragnet worked through the Servic–um, Surveillance court, and four years of the Internet dragnet.

But if, as he implies, he was involved in the dragnet for the entire span of his tenure—and remember, there were huge cases run out of Trenton right out of 9/11—then he was also using the fruits of illegal wiretapping to do his job.

Not Servic — um, Surveillance court authorized dragnets and wiretaps, but also illegal wiretaps.Which may explain why he’s so invested in rebutting any questions about the legitimacy of the program.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409794/-Chris-Christie-s-9-11-lie?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29#

boutons_deux

08-08-2015, 08:31 AM

Fear That Debate Could Hurt G.O.P. in Women’s Eyes

After Senator Marco Rubio (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/14/us/elections/marco-rubio.html?inline=nyt-per) of Florida insisted at the Republican presidential debate (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/politics/rivals-jab-at-donald-trump-as-gop-debate-becomes-testy.html?ref=politics&_r=0) that rape and incest victims should carry pregnancies to term, aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton could barely contain their delight at his unyielding stance, rushing to tell reporters at her headquarters that those remarks would hurt Mr. Rubio with female voters.

When Donald J. Trump (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/16/us/elections/donald-trump.html?inline=nyt-per) chose on Friday to stand by his slights against women during the debate, saying the Fox News journalist Megyn Kelly “behaved very badly” as a moderator — and then promoting a Twitter message calling her a “bimbo” — feminists were not the only ones outraged: the chairwoman of the New Hampshire Republican Party (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org) accused Mr. Trump of chauvinism.

And in response to multiple male candidates saying they would shut down the federal government over financing for Planned Parenthood (http://plannedparenthood.org/), the Democratic National Committee emailed talking points to allies within an hour saying that among the losers at the debate were “American women, who were attacked at every turn.”

Republican Party leaders, whose presidential nominees have not won a majority of female voters since 1988, are setting their sights on making electoral gains among women

“So much of the debate was all about appealing to male voters and other parts of the Republican base, rather than doing anything to help the party’s general election goal of trying to be more inclusive,”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/us/politics/fear-that-debate-could-hurt-gop-in-womens-eyes.html?_r=0

Repugs, tea baggers are the party, demographically, of white (Christian) racist, jingoist males, and nobody else. Emotionally, they appeal to the white males of emotional growth retarded at the level of late teens, frat boys.

JoeChalupa

08-08-2015, 08:54 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see a woman win the GOP nomination. She is one bad mofo.

boutons_deux

08-08-2015, 03:17 PM

Chaos In The GOP As 10,000+ Call For Fox’s Megyn Kelly To Be Banned From Debates
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The Republican Party is falling apart at the seams as more than 10,000 people have signed a petition calling for Fox News’ Megyn Kelly to be banned from future Republican presidential debates.The Change.org petition (https://www.change.org/p/news-corp-rupert-murdock-prevent-megyn-kelly-from-hosting-any-further-republican-debates) states:

Megyn Kelly finds the state of our union amusing and “fun”, whereas the viewers (our fellow citizens) deserve a much more serious moderator.

In addition, she had a clear agenda to attack Donald Trump, by tenaciously clinging to his past rather than his vision for the future. She focused on Trump personally, rather than politically. Ultimately, she did not live up to the “fair and balanced” slogan at Fox News and News Corporation.

While her disdain for Mr. Trump was evident, this petition is a call for truly fair and balanced coverage of ALL candidates. Thus, Megyn Kelly should be barred from hosting or moderating all future Republican Presidential Debates.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/08/chaos-gop-10000-call-foxs-megyn-kelly-banned-debates.html

expecting Fox to be "fair and balanced"? :lol Fox is tipping the balance AWAY from the Repug nightmare Trump.

boutons_deux

08-09-2015, 01:37 PM

Debate Backfires On Fox News As Crazies Trump, Cruz, and Carson Rise to Top 3 In New Poll

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/09/debate-backfires-fox-news-crazies-trump-cruz-carson-rise-top-3-poll.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Repugs are so fucked!

Blizzardwizard

08-10-2015, 12:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTeX3iSdpL8

boutons_deux

08-12-2015, 03:07 PM

Megyn Kelly did tell one huge, deliberate lie during the last Republican debate (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1409987/-Megyn-Kelly-did-tell-one-huge-deliberate-lie-during-the-last-Republican-debate)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/158301/large/o-MEGYN-KELLY-facebook.jpg?1439057227

Enter Fox's Megyn Kelly at the last Republican debate, with as an intentionally dishonest a question that you could imagine:

KELLY: Governor Kasich, You chose to expand Medicaid in your state, unlike several other governors on this stage tonight, and it is already over budget by some estimates costing taxpayers an additional $1.4 billion in just the first 18 months.You defended your Medicaid expansion by invoking God, saying to skeptics that when they arrive in heaven, Saint Peter isn’t going to ask them how small they’ve kept government, but what they have done for the poor.

Why should Republican voters, who generally want to shrink government, believe that you won’t use your Saint Peter rationale to expand every government program?

Wow! I thought: Ohio's Medicaid expansion - passed over objections of the Republican legislature - is already $1.4 billion over budget?!? Holy cow! These Republicans are innocent of heart - or at least forgivably broke. Right?No. This dishonest Megyn Kelly "question" (previously the rage on right wing web sites) is so galling, and so dangerous, that it requires close attention:

1. This is not about waste or profligacy. The sole reason for the extra costs is because Ohio's Medicaid expansion proved so necessary and appealing that more people signed up than predicted. (http://watchdog.org/199529/ohio-obamacare-expansion/) Do you catch that trick? Ohio's Medicaid expansion is not so vital and successful beyond expectations; No, it is "over budget." In other words, when Gov. Kasich originally hoped to reduce Ohio's uninsured rate by 5% in the first year, but wound up reducing it by 8%, that wasn't a striking [I]success; it was an Orwellian failure to meet a budget. (Kudos for the dry accounting language of evil.)

2. Still, what about the $1.4 billion in extra costs? All of it, (http://www.toledoblade.com/DavidKushma/2015/05/31/Ohio-s-medicaid-expansion-needs-to-continue.html) 100%, is covered by the federal ACA program, without any additional costs to Ohioans.

3. But Ms. Kelly mentions the "taxpayers"? Ohio taxpayers? No. She is slyly referring to federal taxpayers. But the ACA federal taxes are already being collected, and they don't go up or down whether Ohio expands Medicaid, rejects Medicaid or enrolls more (or less) than they expected in Medicaid. If Ohio Republicans succeeded in taking away their citizens' insurance, federal taxpayers would not save a penny.

4. Sure, but after a couple of years Ohio taxpayers will have to pay 5% to 10% of this higher number? Two answers:

(i) yes, but that was never the Republican objection. Republicans objected to paying 5% to 10% from dollar one, and falsely pretend that the problem was "billions" of unfunded costs.

(ii) Much of the unexpected ACA Medicaid expansion consisted of former (traditional) Medicaid members learning that they are eligible for the new, expanded ACA Medicaid.

Guess what? (http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2015/4/29/states-find-savings-through-medicaid-expansion) The Medicaid expansion is paid 90%-100% by the federal government, while the traditional Medicaid is paid around 50%. So, with respect to the "overage," Ohio is getting double the Medicare reimbursement by accepting Obamacare, and eliminating the (substantial but inadequate) amounts that it used to spend on the uninsured.

OK, that may sound wonky, but it is clear . . . and Megyn Kelly certainly knew what she was obfuscating. Sorry, Megyn. The politics of your Republican bosses remain immoral . . . historically immoral. A true journalist would report the crime, not aid in covering it up.

(BTW: just look at the language of her question - "You defended your Medicaid expansion by invoking God," you talk about "arriv[ing] in heaven," and "Saint Peter" and what we should do "for the poor." Megyn Kelly is most worried about defending the morality, not the economics, of the Republican position. Indeed, with typical chutzpah, she turns the question on its head and asks why Republican voters shouldn't "believe that you won’t use your Saint Peter rationale to expand every government program?" That is some nice old time religion they have.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1409987/-Megyn-Kelly-did-tell-one-huge-deliberate-lie-during-the-last-Republican-debate?detail=email