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InRareForm
08-10-2015, 01:42 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2015-08-10/floyd-mayweather-picks-top-five-boxers-muhammad-ali-roberto-duran

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unleashbaynes
08-10-2015, 02:22 PM
Dylan, dylan, dylan, dylan, and dylan.

Floyd Pacquiao
08-10-2015, 02:28 PM
#respect to Floyd for seeing the greatness of Duran, Whitaker and Chavez.

InRareForm
08-10-2015, 02:38 PM
He backed it up with facts... I can't hate on that...

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 02:42 PM
I agree with Ali being overrated but I don't have Chavez or Pernell, or Duran in the top 5. No way you skip Ray Leonard and Robinson for any of those 3. What people don't realize is Ali was far from a dominant during his era. You have to consider prime Roy Jones as well. He beat James Toney and Bernard Hopkins.

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 02:44 PM
One guy that will never get the respect he deserves is Joe Calzaghe. He retired undefeated with a host of all-time greats under his belt.

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 03:28 PM
I agree with Ali being overrated but I don't have Chavez or Pernell, or Duran in the top 5. No way you skip Ray Leonard and Robinson for any of those 3. What people don't realize is Ali was far from a dominant during his era. You have to consider prime Roy Jones as well. He beat James Toney and Bernard Hopkins.


Big Homie why do u say Ali is overrated I have him as the best....he was mostly smaller than a lot of his heavy weight opponents but he whipped them all....I saw all of his fights and he was a stud...I love Floyd but I think Floyd doesn't compare to Ali...Floyd is a good defensive fighter but Sugar Ray would have curb stomped Floyd tbh...Sugar Ray is the gold standard in light weight for me and Ali on the heavy weight side...

The thing with Ali is that his punches were quick and almost invisible because of his potent jab...Ali punched like a shaolin kung-fu artist he was very shadowy and most people didn't understand his seemingly phantom punches....Ali called his shots and his rounds....no boxer in history could do that....

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 03:45 PM
Big Homie why do u say Ali is overrated I have him as the best....he was mostly smaller than a lot of his heavy weight opponents but he whipped them all....I saw all of his fights and he was a stud...I love Floyd but I think Floyd doesn't compare to Ali...Floyd is a good defensive fighter but Sugar Ray would have curb stomped Floyd tbh...Sugar Ray is the gold standard in light weight for me and Ali on the heavy weight side...

The thing with Ali is that his punches were quick and almost invisible because of his potent jab...Ali punched like a shaolin kung-fu artist he was very shadowy and most people didn't understand his seemingly phantom punches....Ali called his shots and his rounds....no boxer in history could do that....

Ali is my favorite fighter. Floyd didn't give Ali his full credit. Ali was a bad ass... a stud... and had the greatest mouth piece of any athlete... period. Ali looked better doing his shit better than any other fighter. He mastered the art of manipulating the media and his opponents. But Ali looked average against Norton and got his ass kicked in his first fight against Frazier. Ali loss to Spinks who only had 7 pro fights at the time. Ali was accused by his very own trainer for not training hard and underestimating his opponents. This is my knock on him. He was far from original as well. Ali was to Ray Robinson what Kobe was to Jordan... he took all his moves.

People love to throw out the "Floyd is a good defensive fighter," but refuse to acknowledge that he has the highest connect rate of any fighter in history. He is by far the most accurate puncher we've ever seen. Couple that with his great ability to slip punches and he's damn there impossible to beat. To go undefeated is extremely hard to do and Floyd has made it look easy.

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 03:45 PM
Oh... and who is that lil fuck doll in your sig.

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 04:11 PM
Oh... and who is that lil fuck doll in your sig.


She's a porn star named Stoya. I'm currently trying to see if she'd be willing to fuck me for 3 grand..for 2hrs that's my limit for her..1500 / hr

K...
08-10-2015, 04:12 PM
How dare he not rank any women boxers.....

DMC
08-10-2015, 04:21 PM
He should have chosen Manny, it would have made him look better.

UNT Eagles 2016
08-10-2015, 04:26 PM
1. Calvin Klein
2. Fruit of the Loom
3. Jockey
4. Stafford
5. Russell


Hanes doesn't make the cut, tbh

apalisoc_9
08-10-2015, 07:17 PM
Ali is really the Jordan of the Boxing, not from a boxing perspective but from a marketing perspective..

These niggas wouldn't be making the money they are making if not for Ali.

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 08:03 PM
Ali is really the Jordan of the Boxing, not from a boxing perspective but from a marketing perspective..

These niggas wouldn't be making the money they are making if not for Ali.



Poor comparison. Ali was a self-promoter while Jordan was just the talent. Magic was the greatest showman the NBA has ever seen. He took the NBA to new heights with the Showtime Era.

apalisoc_9
08-10-2015, 08:07 PM
Poor comparison. Ali was a self-promoter while Jordan was just the talent. Magic was the greatest showman the NBA has ever seen. He took the NBA to new heights with the Showtime Era.

I was talking mainly in terms of marketing power.

Obstructed_View
08-10-2015, 08:28 PM
But Ali looked average against Norton and got his ass kicked in his first fight against Frazier. Ali loss to Spinks who only had 7 pro fights at the time.

Yikes. Well, at least you found the three losses in his first 58 fights. All decisions, two split and one unanimous. He fought double-digit rounds with a broken jaw in the Frazier and Norton fights. He beat Spinks in the rematch and beat Frazier and Norton twice each after the losses. It's odd that you mention that he underestimated his opponents. Spinks and Norton I are two prime examples of his doing that, and he'd have only one loss if not for those fights.

He wasn't a great technical boxer, but he was so fucking strong and so fucking fast. I think he's the only fighter I've ever seen who was so fast that he could dodge an incoming shot by pulling his head back out of the punch's reach. He wouldn't even put his hands up, he'd just move his head back. Anybody else did that, they'd get killed. Ali got tagged on occasion with shots that nobody else would ever get up from, and he kept fighting. His toughness and his defense were what puts him up there, not his ability to hype a fight or intimidate an opponent.

I think people underrate Ali because they look at his record, count his victories and forget that he lost almost four years out of his prime.

Personally, I thought Mayweather's list was pretty good, in no particular order. Put Robinson in place of him and it's pretty accurate. I think I'd put Joe Louis on there instead of Chavez. If I were going to put an old-school fighter in there, I'd have Willie Pep.

Clipper Nation
08-10-2015, 08:49 PM
Ali is really the Jordan of the Boxing, not from a boxing perspective but from a marketing perspective..

These niggas wouldn't be making the money they are making if not for Ali.
Floyd is the Wayne Gretzky of boxing. Just dominant and the untouchable GOAT.

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 09:05 PM
. I think he's the only fighter I've ever seen who was so fast that he could dodge an incoming shot by pulling his head back out of the punch's reach. He wouldn't even put his hands up, he'd just move his head back. Anybody else did that, they'd get killed. Ali got tagged on occasion with shots that nobody else would ever get up from, and he kept fighting.


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Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 09:29 PM
Yikes. Well, at least you found the three losses in his first 58 fights. All decisions, two split and one unanimous. He fought double-digit rounds with a broken jaw in the Frazier and Norton fights. He beat Spinks in the rematch and beat Frazier and Norton twice each after the losses. It's odd that you mention that he underestimated his opponents. Spinks and Norton I are two prime examples of his doing that, and he'd have only one loss if not for those fights.

He wasn't a great technical boxer, but he was so fucking strong and so fucking fast. I think he's the only fighter I've ever seen who was so fast that he could dodge an incoming shot by pulling his head back out of the punch's reach. He wouldn't even put his hands up, he'd just move his head back. Anybody else did that, they'd get killed. Ali got tagged on occasion with shots that nobody else would ever get up from, and he kept fighting. His toughness and his defense were what puts him up there, not his ability to hype a fight or intimidate an opponent.

I think people underrate Ali because they look at his record, count his victories and forget that he lost almost four years out of his prime.

Personally, I thought Mayweather's list was pretty good, in no particular order. Put Robinson in place of him and it's pretty accurate. I think I'd put Joe Louis on there instead of Chavez. If I were going to put an old-school fighter in there, I'd have Willie Pep.

You clearly haven't watched much boxing.


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spurraider21
08-10-2015, 09:36 PM
He backed it up with facts... I can't hate on that...
he also made up facts like "ali lost to norton 3 times"

LittleCriminal
08-10-2015, 09:38 PM
Guess im in the .1‰ who thinks A Prime Mike Tyson would of slaughtered every single person on this list..

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 09:41 PM
:lol

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First of all he was cheating by holding the ropes... against the rules. Second... look at how out of shape he was... perfect example of the point I've been making. Ali clowned too much and it costed him dearly in some fights.

Here is your greatest. Can you even name the white guy?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ23C6EH13l9wEZ0O8iB6iHu5SJF4ea_ ggYlfghyGA_akg26Aku


Here he is again in one of the biggest fights of his career.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02049/Frazier-Ali-1971-3_2049531c.jpg

He's lucky that wasn't a Tyson left hook.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/03a86ee65062903f4f99dbb4bd169f18/tumblr_mjd88s18CP1r70xplo1_500.gif

Here he is again getting knocked down by a BUM!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/jebcash/chuck2.jpg

How embarrassing... lucky no one even bothered coming to that fight. Look at the empty stands. Floyd draws more than that at a presser.

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Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 09:43 PM
Guess im in the .1‰ who thinks A Prime Mike Tyson would of slaughtered every single person on this list..

Prime Tyson never fought prime top level competition. He looks great against c-level fighters, but...

Mitch
08-10-2015, 09:46 PM
First of all he was cheating by holding the ropes... against the rules. Second... look at how out of shape he was... perfect example of the point I've been making. Ali clowned too much and it costed him dearly in some fights.

Here is your greatest. Can you even name the white guy?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ23C6EH13l9wEZ0O8iB6iHu5SJF4ea_ ggYlfghyGA_akg26Aku


Here he is again in one of the biggest fights of his career.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02049/Frazier-Ali-1971-3_2049531c.jpg

He's lucky that wasn't a Tyson left hook.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/03a86ee65062903f4f99dbb4bd169f18/tumblr_mjd88s18CP1r70xplo1_500.gif

Here he is again getting knocked down by a BUM!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/jebcash/chuck2.jpg

How embarrassing... lucky no one even bothered coming to that fight. Look at the empty stands. Floyd draws more than that at a presser.

http://recend.apextech.netdna-cdn.com/images/2012/09/13/1965607_1.jpg

Cooper should have KO'd Ali, that whole corner delay was a travesty.

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 09:51 PM
Yikes. Well, at least you found the three losses in his first 58 fights. All decisions, two split and one unanimous. He fought double-digit rounds with a broken jaw in the Frazier and Norton fights. He beat Spinks in the rematch and beat Frazier and Norton twice each after the losses. It's odd that you mention that he underestimated his opponents. Spinks and Norton I are two prime examples of his doing that, and he'd have only one loss if not for those fights.

He wasn't a great technical boxer, but he was so fucking strong and so fucking fast. I think he's the only fighter I've ever seen who was so fast that he could dodge an incoming shot by pulling his head back out of the punch's reach. He wouldn't even put his hands up, he'd just move his head back. Anybody else did that, they'd get killed. Ali got tagged on occasion with shots that nobody else would ever get up from, and he kept fighting. His toughness and his defense were what puts him up there, not his ability to hype a fight or intimidate an opponent.

I think people underrate Ali because they look at his record, count his victories and forget that he lost almost four years out of his prime.

Personally, I thought Mayweather's list was pretty good, in no particular order. Put Robinson in place of him and it's pretty accurate. I think I'd put Joe Louis on there instead of Chavez. If I were going to put an old-school fighter in there, I'd have Willie Pep.


Pep and Louis shouldn't be on any mans greatest list. I can run off 50 fighters that would destroy Pep and Louis. Its funny you mention how great Ali was at pulling back from shots... a cardinal sin in boxing, but it was that behavior that got his jaw broke twice. Oh... and Ali fought mostly no named stiffs and washed up fighters. The only great fighter he dominated in his prime was Foreman.

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 09:56 PM
Cooper should have KO'd Ali, that whole corner delay was a travesty.


You see... these guys only watch highlights and listen to sound bites. You are correct, sir.

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 09:59 PM
Here's a really good article on the Ali debate.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/beat_ali.html

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 10:00 PM
You see... these guys only watch highlights and listen to sound bites. You are correct, sir.


Ali killed Cooper that Fight...he got knockex down but when he got up it was game over

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 10:01 PM
The other thing Ali went to prison for 3yrs in his prime...you lose anytime you're out that long...

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 10:08 PM
Lastly Ali was a heavy weight....so by default he was tougher because as a heavy weight you take and absorb punches that would likely literally kill someone in Floyds weight class...Floyd couldn't take a 3rd of the heavy punches Ali took....so to me there's no comparison....sure Ali lost but the heavy weight division is the pinnacle of boxing....Ali didnt need to win at multiple weight class because he was already at the top of the class....so by default of the dangers of the heavyweight division Floyd cant be put in the same category as Ali...and I'm a Floyd fan...

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 10:08 PM
Ali killed Cooper that Fight...he got knockex down but when he got up it was game over

That's far from true. Ali never hurt Cooper even once in their two fights. Cooper almost put Ali through the ropes. Cooper was a bleeder so both fights were stopped early due to cuts.

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 10:10 PM
That's far from true. Ali never hurt Cooper even once in their two fights. Cooper almost put Ali through the ropes. Cooper was a bleeder so both fights were stopped early due to cuts.


He was a bleeder because he was defenseless against those Ali jabs :lol

Buddy Mignon
08-10-2015, 10:12 PM
The other thing Ali went to prison for 3yrs in his prime...you lose anytime you're out that long...

Ali never spent a day in prison. He was stripped of his title and no one would give him a licence to box. He was still a young man at 31 when he returned.

Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 10:25 PM
That's far from true. Ali never hurt Cooper even once in their two fights. Cooper almost put Ali through the ropes. Cooper was a bleeder so both fights were stopped early due to cuts.

Yes Cooper knocked Ali down..but that knock down didnt mean shit..it just woke Ali up....Cooper was tough..but the reality is Ali took him for granted like Tyson did Buster Douglas..... but make no mistake Ali not only hurt him but he kicked his ass...

Look at the difference in the fighters post fight...you cant tell me Cooper wasnt hurt....

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Koolaid_Man
08-10-2015, 10:29 PM
Coopers eyes were basically closed shut from catching those jabs that he didnt see coming...this was part of what made Ali great tbh...just constant jabbing...its why he routinely beat bigger opponents

Obstructed_View
08-11-2015, 07:53 AM
Guess im in the .1‰ who thinks A Prime Mike Tyson would of slaughtered every single person on this list..

The non heavyweights at least. He was so dominant against Trevor Berbick and Tyrell Biggs.

Obstructed_View
08-11-2015, 07:53 AM
Ali is my favorite fighter.

:lmao