The Coddling of the American Mind

[DarrinS]

In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

[vy65]

This is the worst generation.

[boutons_deux]

but all y'all rednecks have no objection to scams like Oral Roberts, Liberty Uni's teaching bullshit, or taxpayer=financed Christian Taliban charter schools indoctrinating kids, or TX SBOE extremists rewriting history to exclude Tommy Jefferson, or say Geneis is equivalent to biological evolution, or conservative extremists intimidating AP subjects to "protect" students from America's murderous, disatrous, lost wars, that Hiroshima/Nagasaki were not slaughter of civilians, and totally unnecessary, etc, etc.

[vy65]

but all y'all rednecks have no objection to scams like Oral Roberts, Liberty Uni's teaching bullshit, or taxpayer=financed Christian Taliban charter schools indoctrinating kids, or TX SBOE extremists rewriting history to exclude Tommy Jefferson, or say Geneis is equivalent to biological evolution, or conservative extremists intimidating AP subjects to "protect" students from America's murderous, disatrous, lost wars, that Hiroshima/Nagasaki were not slaughter of civilians, and totally unnecessary, etc, etc.

Immediate deflection to a canned ideological response. Case in point.

[ChumpDumper]

but all y'all rednecks have no objection to scams like Oral Roberts, Liberty Uni's teaching bullshit, or taxpayer=financed Christian Taliban charter schools indoctrinating kids, or TX SBOE extremists rewriting history to exclude Tommy Jefferson, or say Geneis is equivalent to biological evolution, or conservative extremists intimidating AP subjects to "protect" students from America's murderous, disatrous, lost wars, that Hiroshima/Nagasaki were not slaughter of civilians, and totally unnecessary, etc, etc.So what do you think of the actual article?

[vy65]

but all y'all rednecks have no objection to scams like Oral Roberts, Liberty Uni's teaching bullshit, or taxpayer=financed Christian Taliban charter schools indoctrinating kids, or TX SBOE extremists rewriting history to exclude Tommy Jefferson, or say Geneis is equivalent to biological evolution, or conservative extremists intimidating AP subjects to "protect" students from America's murderous, disatrous, lost wars, that Hiroshima/Nagasaki were not slaughter of civilians, and totally unnecessary, etc, etc.

Both are shitty. No one defends Oral Roberts U. Teaching creationism is public schools is an awful idea, etc...

But the prevalence of this pc culture bullshit on college campuses is more widespread and far worse, imo.

[ChumpDumper]

Both are shitty. No one defends Oral Roberts U. Teaching creationism is public schools is an awful idea, etc...

But the prevalence of this pc culture bullshit on college campuses is more widespread and far worse, imo.I doubt it is more widespread when you have entire state systems of K-12 public education affected by decisions like textbook or curriculum alterations.

[vy65]

I doubt it is more widespread when you have entire state systems of K-12 public education affected by decisions like textbook or curriculum alterations.

Truthfully, I wouldn't know. You very well might be right regarding less-egregious textbook/curriculum changes. I just have a hard time believing the "Christian Taliban's" forced teaching of creationism is more prevalent than what's discussed in the OP.

[boutons_deux]

So what do you think of the actual article?

the micro-aggression movement has some basis in truth, but obviously it appears to be taken to exteme and silliness.

[SpursforSix]

I doubt it is more widespread when you have entire state systems of K-12 public education affected by decisions like textbook or curriculum alterations.

nigga please. people underestimate the power of kids to think for themselves. And overestimate the impact of the content of what they learn in elementary school.

[ChumpDumper]

nigga please. people underestimate the power of kids to think for themselves. And overestimate the impact of the content of what they learn in elementary school.Oh, so this stuff in college doesn't matter either since people can think for themselves.

OK.

/thread

[z0sa]

I agree political correctness in the name of people's emotional well being has gone waaaaay off the fucking deep end.

But that's not a one person or party problem. It's people who are too pussy to do something about it, being pussies. Or people who aren't PC backtracking because they're pussies. If you don't want to be PC, don't be. Just don't expect to not be attacked or ridiculed in response.

Long story short, stop being pussies.

[SpursforSix]

Oh, so this stuff in college doesn't matter either since people can think for themselves.

OK.

/thread

you mentioned the state systems of K-12. You're including college in this?

[ChumpDumper]

you mentioned the state systems of K-12. You're including college in this?I extended your "logic" to college. If you contend it can't be so extended, explain why not.

[SpursforSix]

I extended your "logic" to college. If you contend it can't be so extended, explain why not.

You want me to explain the difference between the mind of an elementary child and a young adult in college?

wait...have you been hooking up with 13 year olds on the internet?

[hater]

You want me to explain the difference between the mind of an elementary child and a young adult in college?

wait...have you been hooking up with 13 year olds on the internet?

:lol

[Infinite_limit]

In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
But you agree with this because you are Pro-PC

[boutons_deux]

Stop the hand-wringing over campus PC culture: Corporations and the far right are a much bigger threat to free expression

Two new articles, from significantly different points of view, show just how strange a state we’re in these days. In The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/thats-not-funny/399335/), Caitlin Flanagan takes a look at the college comedy scene, and it’s not pretty.

Catherine Rampell’s Washington Post piece (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-politics-of-stifling-speech/2015/08/10/724d2a62-3f9c-11e5-9561-4b3dc93e3b9a_story.html) argues that the right is the zealous at banning books as the left is at scolding comedians. She writes, regarding school libraries:

In almost every category, Republicans were more likely than Democrats to endorse book bans. That includes “books with explicit language” (bye-bye, “The Catcher in the Rye (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316769487?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0316769487&linkCode=xm2&tag=thewaspos09-20)”); “books which include witchcraft or sorcery” (to the slaughter, “Harry Potter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/059035342X?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creativeASIN=059035342X&linkCode=xm2&tag=thewaspos09-20)”); “books which include vampires” (night night, “Twilight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316015849?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0316015849&linkCode=xm2&tag=thewaspos09-20)”); “books that discuss evolution” (into the bin, Darwin (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0451529065?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0451529065&linkCode=xm2&tag=thewaspos09-20)); and “books which question the existence of a divine being or beings” (quit your squawking, Stephen Hawking (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/055338466X?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creativeASIN=055338466X&linkCode=xm2&tag=thewaspos09-20)).



And, she writes, “Literature wasn’t the only medium that Republican respondents said was ripe for purging, according to the Harris poll. Compared with Democrats, Republicans were also more likely to say that some video games, movies and television programs should be banned.”

The important point Rampell doesn’t make is that while it’s not literal, classic censorship, the vast majority of speech (broadly defined) in this country is controlled by corporations. Whether we’re talking the centrist-apolitical CBS or the stridently reactionary Fox News, these gatekeepers and others like them are corporate owned. Same with radio. Ditto the big technology corporations that decide what rises and what falls online. Virtually every big company has a public-relations wing as well.

For what it’s worth, I don’t dismiss the complaints of these comedians who’ve found the climate less open these days. Our cultural figures should be able to range widely in what they address in their work. But let’s not overlook the larger picture: The books our children read, the information we hear (and don’t hear) in corporate newscasts, the direct line from corporate offices to Congress – this is all more troubling than a bunch of college kids cramping Jerry Seinfeld’s style.

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/11/stop_the_hand_wringing_over_campus_pc_culture_corp orations_and_the_far_right_are_a_much_bigger_threa t_to_free_expression/

Corporate TV is CC, "Corporately Correct", no news, no investigations, that might hurt their revenue from corporate advertisers, and of course they all were cheerleaders for the Repug govt for the invading Afghanistan and Iraq.

[DarrinS]

But you agree with this because you are Pro-PC

I am?

[boutons_deux]

Liberals and the New McCarthyism (http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/10/liberals-and-the-new-mccarthyism/)

Things have gotten bad enough that comedians Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock, and Larry the Cable Guy have all said they can’t or won’t play colleges any more.

As fellow-comedian Bill Maher commented, “When Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld, and Larry the Cable Guy say you have a stick up your ass, you don’t have to wait for the X-rays to come back.

That’s right, a black, a Jew and a redneck all walk onto a college campus and they all can’t wait to leave.” :lol

Things have gotten bad enough that this spring The Onion put out a satirical piece titled,

“College Encourages Lively Exchange of Idea: Students, Faculty, Invited to Freely Express Single Viewpoint.”

The article concludes with fictitious college President Kevin Abrams stating, “‘Whether it’s a discussion of a national political issue or a concern here on campus, an open forum in which

one argument is uniformly reinforced is crucial for maintaining the exceptional learning environment we have cultivated here.’

Abrams told reporters that counseling resources were available for any student made uncomfortable by the viewpoint.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/10/liberals-and-the-new-mccarthyism/

[Winehole23]

posters right and left seem to agree that PC is pernicious silliness. I think it is too.

[ChumpDumper]

You want me to explain the difference between the mind of an elementary child and a young adult in college? Young adults in college are even more capable of thinking for themselves. If you think they are less capable, you need to explain why.

[SpursforSix]

Young adults in college are even more capable of thinking for themselves. If you think they are less capable, you need to explain why.

I think young adults in college are more capable of thinking for themselves than elementary children.

[SpursforSix]

posters right and left seem to agree that PC is pernicious silliness. I think it is too.

I always thought that would be a good name for a boxer. Pernicious Jones.

[ChumpDumper]

I think young adults in college are more capable of thinking for themselves than elementary children.Great.

[RandomGuy]

In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

I agree. Conservatives have a point on this, but then the same goes for the addling of kids raised on right-wing pablum.

We are creating a generation of crybabies.

[boutons_deux]

addling of kids raised on right-wing pablum.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32309-conservatives-love-the-new-ap-us-history-standards-and-that-s-a-problem

[RandomGuy]

I agree political correctness in the name of people's emotional well being has gone waaaaay off the fucking deep end.

But that's not a one person or party problem. It's people who are too pussy to do something about it, being pussies. Or people who aren't PC backtracking because they're pussies. If you don't want to be PC, don't be. Just don't expect to not be attacked or ridiculed in response.

Long story short, stop being pussies.

Eyup.

[boutons_deux]

Nope, You Can't Learn About Climate Change in Georgia Schools (http://gizmodo.com/nope-you-cant-learn-about-climate-change-in-georgia-sc-1723921097)

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1384045878492851884.jpg


Georgia Tech paleoclimate scientist Kim Cobb made a disturbing discovery when she saw her 8 year-old daughter’s state-issued science textbook.

In the section on Earth science, there was no mention of climate change whatsoever — despite the fact that studies conducted by state scientists (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0143622815000909) show the state is vulnerable to climate change (see image above). When she asked her daughter about it, she replied that kind of class was only for older kids. So Cobb dug a little deeper into state standards to find out more. She writes (http://cobblab.blogspot.com/2015/08/climate-change-and-under-10-crowd.html):

It spurred me to dig a little deeper into the K-12 Georgia Science Standards (https://www.georgiastandards.org/Standards/Pages/BrowseStandards/ScienceStandards.aspx). As it turns out, the only mention of climate change comes in the optional high schoolOceanography course standards (https://www.georgiastandards.org/standards/Georgia%20Performance%20Standards/Oceanography.pdf):

“Explain relationships between climate change, the greenhouse effect, and the consequences of global warming on the ocean.”

Georgia’s approach is woefully out of step with the recommendations by the National Academy of Science, who published “A Framework for K-12 Science Education (http://www.nap.edu/download.php?record_id=13165)”, featuring the following climate change standards for Grade 5:

“If Earth’s global mean temperature continues to rise, the lives of humans and other organisms will be affected in many different ways.”


So essentially, children growing up in Georgia do not learn about climate change at all unless they are given the opportunity to take an elective oceanography class in high school.
Again, this flies in the face of national recommendations. The National Academies framework includes even more detailed recommendations for all students taking general science courses in grades 8 and 12:

By the end of grade 8. Human activities, such as the release of greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels, are major factors in the current rise in Earth’s mean sur- face temperature (global warming). Reducing human vulnerability to whatever cli- mate changes do occur depend on the understanding of climate science, engineer- ing capabilities, and other kinds of knowledge, such as understanding of human behavior and on applying that knowledge wisely in decisions and activities.

By the end of grade 12. Global climate models are often used to understand the process of climate change because these changes are complex and can occur slowly over Earth’s history. Though the magnitudes of humans’ impacts are greater than they have ever been, so too are humans’ abilities to model, predict, and manage current and future impacts. Through computer simulations and other studies, important discoveries are still being made about how the ocean, the atmosphere, and the biosphere interact and are modified in response to human activities, as well as to changes in human activities. Thus science and engineering will be essen- tial both to understanding the possible impacts of global climate change and to informing decisions about how to slow its rate and consequences—for humanity as well as for the rest of the planet.

http://gizmodo.com/nope-you-cant-learn-about-climate-change-in-georgia-sc-1723921097?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29



Being PC is horrible to rightwingnuts, but supressing science is ok.

[TeyshaBlue]

And being intellectually dishonest is ok for moonbats. Glad we got that out of the way.

[Slutter McGee]

Fucking liberals. Deflecting all over this thread. The PC shit is INSANE at colleges these days. I know. I went back to school a couple years ago. You fucktards might be right about religious shit....but the pussyass....don't ever offend me,...I can't take criticism from any one crybaby bullshit is all leftwing. Deal with the crazy fuckers in your party, maybe we will deal with the ones in ours.

[Winehole23]

Slutter McGee melts down syntactically. Most unusual.

[Bender]

yeah, he forgot to sign his name

[Spurminator]

College students are just figuring life out. There are going to be some hiccups. Some may get alcohol poisoning, others may get firecrackers stuck in their rectums, others may get arrested for running a train on a passed out sorority pledge, others may pay too much attention to building a new, perfectly PC language.

Professors/Administrators have a responsibility to encourage discussion but also be realists.

[boutons_deux]

There are going to be some hiccups. Some may get alcohol poisoning, others may get firecrackers stuck in their rectums, others may get arrested for running a train on a passed out sorority pledge

then there's sadistic, mortal bullying

Clemson University fraternity pledge forced to walk bridge railing before falling to his death

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/clemson-university-frat-pledge-died-stunt-court-filing-article-1.2325122

[DarrinS]

The Rise of Victimhood Culture

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise-of-victimhood-culture/404794/

[RandomGuy]

Fucking liberals. Deflecting all over this thread. The PC shit is INSANE at colleges these days. I know. I went back to school a couple years ago. You fucktards might be right about religious shit....but the pussyass....don't ever offend me,...I can't take criticism from any one crybaby bullshit is all leftwing. Deal with the crazy fuckers in your party, maybe we will deal with the ones in ours.

Nah, you should see the "we're being repressed" stuff on the part of people with religious views. You weren't paying close enough attention.

[Spurminator]

Obama on liberal college students who want to be "coddled": "That’s not the way we learn"
https://archive.is/E2BEC

[DarrinS]

Obama on liberal college students who want to be "coddled": "That’s not the way we learn"
https://archive.is/E2BEC


Good for him.

[boutons_deux]

Good for him.

Darren finds a nut