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k_nguyen93
08-12-2015, 01:30 AM
An old article I just stumbled upon from LMA's rookie season.
Direct link: http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/LaMarcus_Aldridge_Ridinrsquo-198466-1218.html

The headlines right below here though :lol
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/blazers/120406_aldridge_article.jpg


He stands an inch shy of seven feet, with a wingspan of 89 inches -- the second longest player in Trail Blazer history.

He's a polished post player, a good shooter, a solid defender, with a high basketball IQ, and a passion for improving himself through hard work and practice. And he's just 21 years old.

So with credentials like that, you would expect LaMarcus Nurae Aldridge to have been a child prodigy on the basketball court.

Not so.

Aldridge first picked up a basketball in the fourth grade, but the game didn't come easily to him. When he was an eighth grader at Dallas' Seagoville Middle School, he was often overlooked by the older kids in pickup games at Dallas-area parks. He was just told to stand around and if he caught the ball, give it back.

He was your typical 6-foot-7 clumsy kid who couldn't play.

"I was horrible. I sucked," Aldridge recalls, "I couldn't shoot. I couldn't do a hook shot. I was just tall and only scored points because everyone else was shorter than me."

Things soon changed for LaMarcus, thanks to his older brother, LaVontae, who was "always pushing me and motivating me to go to the parks and to hit the gym and work on my game everyday."

LaVontae Aldridge, now 25, had been a solid prep player. At 6-foot-10, he knew that size alone wouldn’t make you a good player. It takes practice and hard work, he'd say.

After LaVontae moved on to play at Howard Junior College in Big Spring, Texas, LaMarcus began to develop his game at Seagoville High School. "My coach, Robert Allen, helped me a lot," Aldridge said. "He had more influence on my growth as a player than anyone else."

Now the head coach at Dallas Carter High School, Allen pushed LaMarcus to the limits of his endurance during his four years at Seagoville.

"Some guys who are stars go to high school and don’t get pushed, but Coach Allen worked me and helped me become the player that I am today," Aldridge said.

While Coach Allen was taking care of LaMarcus' maturation as a basketball player, Aldridge's mother, Georgia, was taking care of the rest.

"When I was younger, I used to spend a lot of time either by myself or with my mom," Aldridge said. "But when I hit high school, she really became one of my close friends."

As Aldridge entered high school and folks around the country became aware of his basketball potential, Georgia looked out for her son's best interests, on and off the court.

LaMarcus, like Zach Randolph, Shaquille O'Neal and many other NBA players raised by a single mom, is a mama's boy and not ashamed to admit it.

A four-year starter at Seagoville High, Aldridge improved rapidly as a player, becoming a McDonald's All-America as a senior, averaging 30 points and 14 rebounds a game.

A finalist for the 2004 Naismith Prep Player of the Year award, player of the year in Texas and rated as the fourth best high school player in the nation by USA Today, LaMarcus had made his mark that senior season at Seagoville.

He had some monster games along the way: His 39 points, nine rebounds and six blocked shots on 16 of 18 shooting in the state Class 4A tournament semifinals is still being discussed in Texas prep circles. However, Aldridge doesn't mention it in interviews because his team lost by one point to rival Dallas Lincoln. Not only was Lincoln a natural rival of Seagoville, but it also was the school once led by Aldridge's good friend, Chris Bosh, now a budding star for the Toronto Raptors.

LaMarcus and Bosh, who was a year ahead of Aldridge in school, had some great battles against each other. Indeed, Aldridge says his most memorable game in high school was a match-up against the older Bosh in which he scored 24 points and hauled in 12 rebounds to Bosh's 18 points and 10 rebounds.

"I was pleased with my performance against a great player like Chris, but we lost the game, so that individual stuff doesn't matter much," said the modest Aldridge, who counts success in terms of team victories.

In two games against the Bosh during his sophomore season, Aldridge averaged 23 points and 13 rebounds.

"I’ve known Chris since high school," Aldridge pointed out, "and I did pretty well against him. There was a lot of hype going on leading up to those games, and I was able to get myself psyched up and ready to play. I have a great relationship with him and it’s real cool.

"When I’ve been in Dallas this summer, we’ve worked out every day. It’s been helpful for me to get used to going against someone who is long, quick, and All-Star caliber. Hopefully, that will help my game go to the next level."

Another rival in Dallas-area prep ball was Ike Diago, ex-Arizona University star now playing for the Golden State Warriors.

LaMarcus was becoming the dominant player in all of Texas during his junior season, having been named first team all-state, first team all district, and first team all metro.

As a sophomore, he made second team all-state and second team all-district. So the transition from an awkward middle-schooler who couldn't play the game to an all-everything Texas prep star was well underway.

Everywhere Aldridge has gone since high school, his coaches tell the same tale. Texas Coach Rick Barnes talks about Aldridge as if he were his son. "I've never had a player work harder to get better," Barnes said.

In the six years since the kids on the Dallas playgrounds snubbed LaMarcus, he made himself into a good major college player, worthy of a shot at the NBA. But things didn't always go his way, as his freshman season at Texas was cut short by a season-ending hip injury against Nebraska, causing him to miss the final 15 games.

As a sophomore at Texas, Aldridge averaged 15.9 points and 9.2 rebounds per game and helped the 30-7 Longhorns to an Elite Eight appearance. His total of 59 points, 41 rebounds and nine blocks in the NCAA Tournament didn’t hurt his emerging star status either.

As a result, he was named a third team All-America by the National Association of Basketball Coaches. He also was selected the Big 12 Conference Defensive Player of the Year.

Off the court, he was a public relations department's dream come true. An honor roll student all four years at Dallas Seagoville High, LaMarcus in two years at Texas made one C -- the rest Bs and As.

In the second semester of his sophomore year at Texas, Aldridge took up the piano, taking lessons as an elective. He wants to continue piano lessons in Portland, concentrating on his favorite music -- R&B and Hip Hop. Asked if he would ever tackle the most challenging of all piano works -- Rachmaninoff's piano concerto No. 3 -- LaMarcus rolled his eyes. He doesn't know if he would ever have the skill for such a challenge, but he knows he has the giant hands necessary to play it.

All of these accolades at Texas propelled Aldridge to the head of the draft class of 2006 as various scouting services rated him a cinch lottery pick and likely to go 1 or 2 in the NBA college draft.

One of the many scouts who tracked LaMarcus's play in college last winter had this to say after seeing his 26-point, 13-rebound game against West Virginia in the Sweet 16:

"Wow. Skills galore. And he’s every drip drop of that 6-11, if not a bit taller. He’s ready from a skill standpoint -- nice shooting touch, ready to mix it up underneath the basket and gifted enough to extend his game out to 16 or 17 feet. When he first ran on to the floor, I thought he looked thin. But when they came back out for the start of the game and he lost the warm up jacket, I realized he was cut up a little more than it looked.

"He has to be the best pure center in college, ahead of Patrick O’Bryant at Bradley and whatever other 7-foot projects are roaming the college landscape. The most impressive thing about him was his touch for such a big guy. He can stroke it from 12-16 feet, which is always impressive from guys that tall. If he comes out, I don’t see how someone passes on him at No. 1."

For a while it looked like no one would. Toronto thought about taking Aldridge over Italian star Andrea Bargnani, the idea no doubt coaxed along by LaMarcus's friend Chris Bosh. But Raptor officials changed their mind at the last minute and took Bargnani.

Then the Chicago Bulls, with the second pick in the draft, made it clear they were going to take a power forward -- either Aldridge or LSU forward Tyrus Thomas.

That's when the Trail Blazers moved in and offered the Bulls Portland's fourth round pick (which would be Thomas) and forward Viktor Khryapa for the rights to Aldridge.

The deal was done and the Blazers got the player they had coveted all along.

Since then, it has been love at first, second and third sight between LaMarcus and the Trail Blazers organization.

Trail Blazer assistant coach Bill Bayno, who tutored Aldridge in the Las Vegas Summer League, summed up his feelings this way, "If they were all like him, you'd coach for free.

"I really love his focus," Bayno added, "He really wants to get better. He has confidence, but is realistic about his shortcomings at this level. He doesn't want to settle for just being good, he wants to be great. And he seems willing to work harder than many players I've coached to get there."

"I think the sky's the limit for him," Bayno added. "He's already evolving into a good post player, but he still has a ways to go. He seems to have a sweet stroke on turn-around jumpers.

"Defensively, he's almost there -- shows us a presence in defending his man one-on-one," Bayno says. "I think he showed that in the first half the other night against Tim Duncan. He already knows how to give help to teammates when they lose their man. He's a presence with his height and tremendous reach (7-foot-5 wingspan), so he can help us defend opposing teams."

What are Aldridge's biggest assets?, Bayno was asked.

"A very high basketball IQ (he knows the game and has good instincts for doing the right thing), his work ethic (he shows up for practice early and stays late and wants as much extra individual workouts as he can get). And his eagerness to learn."

Trail Blazers strength and conditioning coach Bobby Medina is similarly impressed with Aldridge's commitment and dedication.

"LaMarcus is the team leader in the weight room in terms of the number of times he comes in here and lifts," Medina said. "He has a tremendous work ethic and desire for building a better body."

"As far as his current strength is concerned, I’d put him in the top 10 of the players of his size that I have worked with," Medina added.

Before the start of the regular season, Aldridge had shoulder surgery to repair a torn ligament.

"We need to put more weight on him and strengthen his upper body," Medina said. "After the surgery, we worked primarily to strengthen his lower body. Lower body strength is the key for basketball players because strong legs, thighs, calves and feet are the most critical part of the body for running with speed and quickness and jumping."

"I don't doubt that we can meet our goals with LaMarcus because he is such a coachable learner," Medina adds. "He knows he has to get stronger to compete effectively against all the bigs in the NBA; he knows he has to gain more endurance for the long NBA season grind. So he just wants to get on with it and improve his size as quickly as he can."

Like many impressionable youngsters, Aldridge was a Michael Jordan fan when he first started noticing basketball at the pro level. Soon after, though, his favorite players growing up were Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan, partly due to the fact that their body types most resembled his, but mostly due to the kind of players they are on and off the court.

In Portland's 107-98 loss to San Antonio on Nov. 20, Aldridge was assigned to guard Tim Duncan, one of his childhood heroes. "He's such an all-around player," Aldridge said, "He came out tonight and took care of business. He's one of those players you just try to contain. He's very skilled. I don't think I guarded him very well, but I have to look at the video." The video review, though, showed a slightly different story. LaMarcus did a good job of slowing Duncan down in the first half as Portland took a 56-48 lead. Duncan had to resort to jump hooks or fall-away jumpers, because Aldridge's long arms made it difficult for Duncan to merely shoot jump shots over him.

"My long arms help me as I try to become more versatile," he says, "I’d like to be able to guard three positions -- both forwards and the center. I think my wingspan helps me out on defense, because I can cover a little more ground and block a few more shots. It helps on offense too, because when I put up a shot with a little higher release, (like Rasheed Wallace does), it’s a little tougher for guys to challenge or block it."

After the game, Duncan complimented the young Blazer. "He's a great young talent. It was the first time seeing him for me but he surprised me a little bit. They've got a good young talent over there."

Aldridge was moved that Duncan would say such nice things about him -- a mere rookie -- but then Duncan is the kind of person LaMarcus sees as his NBA role model.

"He’s a great player and he’s got a great personality on and off the court. He’s just a great overall guy," LaMarcus says. "With him being in San Antonio, I had the chance to watch him play quite a bit so I’d take pointers from him when I could and used them when I could."

Aldridge says he has learned a great deal since coming to the Blazers from the coaches and his teammates alike. Yet he says the biggest challenge he faces is knowing how to play the NBA game, which is so much different than college ball.

Yet in his very first NBA game against Dallas Nov. 12, Aldridge surprised his coach, Nate McMillan, and the rest of the Blazer staff with his stunning fourth quarter play.

All he did was limit Dallas’ all-star forward Dirk Nowitzki to one shot attempt and one point in the fourth quarter, while scoring 10 points himself on 5 of 7 shooting. He also grabbed seven rebounds, six of them on the offensive glass, converting four of them into two lay-ups and two short jumpers.

"He did some good things," McMillan said afterwards. "He certainly will be playing as part of our rotation. Whether we start him or not ...We'll look at it," McMillian said. "But I like what I've seen of him."

As it turned out, Aldridge did start at center for several games in the absence of center Joel Przybilla, who was sidelined with a lower abdominal injury. And he hasn't been embarrassed against the Nowitzkis, Garnetts and Duncans of the NBA.

That's not bad for a player who at age 13 was often overlooked and snubbed by the older kids in pickup games at Dallas-area parks.

"I wasn't one of those kids who was born with the golden spoon," LaMarcus told writer Andy Katz of ESPN.com last June. "That's why it makes you appreciate it more when you finally get there."

So unlike Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan, both of whom showed hints of stardom at an early age, LaMarcus Aldridge has had to do a makeover.

He's the portrait of the self-made young man who reaches for the stars the hard way -- by sweating it out, hour after hour.

lurker23
08-12-2015, 02:07 AM
Good article, thanks for posting. :tu



He had some monster games along the way: His 39 points, nine rebounds and six blocked shots on 16 of 18 shooting in the state Class 4A tournament semifinals is still being discussed in Texas prep circles. However, Aldridge doesn't mention it in interviews because his team lost by one point to rival Dallas Lincoln. Not only was Lincoln a natural rival of Seagoville, but it also was the school once led by Aldridge's good friend, Chris Bosh, now a budding star for the Toronto Raptors.


After Bosh's career is done, I imagine most fans will remember him as a member of the Heat, not the Raptors, due to his championships and partnerships there. Spurs fans can only hope that Aldridge can build his Spurs legacy in a similar manner.

k_nguyen93
08-12-2015, 02:25 AM
Good article, thanks for posting. :tu



After Bosh's career is done, I imagine most fans will remember him as a member of the Heat, not the Raptors, due to his championships and partnerships there. Spurs fans can only hope that Aldridge can build his Spurs legacy in a similar manner.
I never noticed until I read that article but man the Raptors could have paired him with Bosh AND they signed fellow Longhorn TJ Ford that offseason. You would think of all the teams, they would have had the inside scoop on LMA. Funny how Colangelo still won executive of the year that following season.

Another thing I just realized, I think LMA going to Phoenix was a lot closer than people might think because I forgot in addition to his friend Earl Watson, his college teammate PJ Tucker is on the Suns too.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 09:11 AM
Bosh is better than LMA, and I would have preferred Raptor to Aldridge. But I'm glad the Spurs have one of them. Funny how Aldridge considered himself a combo-forward back them.

barbacoataco
08-12-2015, 09:30 AM
No way Bosh is better.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 09:34 AM
No way Bosh is better.

Way better.

tmtcsc
08-12-2015, 09:35 AM
Bosh is better than LMA, and I would have preferred Raptor to Aldridge. But I'm glad the Spurs have one of them. Funny how Aldridge considered himself a combo-forward back them.

They might have similar career - regular season stats, but Aldridge is younger and a better playoff performer. LMA all day over Bosh.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/a/lamarcus_aldridge_vs_chris_bosh.htm

tmtcsc
08-12-2015, 09:36 AM
Way better.

Now you're just trolling.

lefty20
08-12-2015, 09:46 AM
Damn, he was skinny as shit.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 09:50 AM
Now you're just trolling.

Trolling is making the case for Aldridge by comparing LMA's playoff stats to Bosh's. Raptor was great in Toronto when he got the touches LMA got with Portland. LMA has a USG% of 28, whereas Miami Bosh had a 21. When he was in Toronto, his stats we better than LMA's.

I think people who don't expect to see LMA's stats tail off now that he's part of a system are in for a rude awakening. Raptor was hurt by being reduced to a spot-up guy in Miami, which is why this debate is even happening. LMA won't be set in a corner like Bosh, but he will see his number dip, especially in the playoffs. Bosh learned how to play defense and fit into a system, which LMA hasn't done yet. I'd take Bosh over Aldridge as an overall player without even having to consider it.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 09:54 AM
I take Lamarcus over Bosh any time of the day.

Bosh was a loser in Raptors until he joined the Heat and Wade and Lebron. He finally grew some balls but that was because most of the attention was put on the 2 Heat superstars.

Bosh is pretty much done nowadays. Short career, on teh backs of superstars

barbacoataco
08-12-2015, 10:01 AM
I take Lamarcus over Bosh any time of the day.

Bosh was a loser in Raptors until he joined the Heat and Wade and Lebron. He finally grew some balls but that was because most of the attention was put on the 2 Heat superstars.

Bosh is pretty much done nowadays. Short career, on teh backs of superstars
Exactly. LMA has dragged an inconsistent Portland team to the playoffs most of the time even with his sidekick Brandon Roy disappearing. Aldridge carried a huge load for the Blazers, but people use that against him somehow. With the Spurs his efficiency will be even better.

ceperez
08-12-2015, 10:04 AM
Trolling is making the case for Aldridge by comparing LMA's playoff stats to Bosh's. Raptor was great in Toronto when he got the touches LMA got with Portland. LMA has a USG% of 28, whereas Miami Bosh had a 21. When he was in Toronto, his stats we better than LMA's.

I think people who don't expect to see LMA's stats tail off now that he's part of a system are in for a rude awakening. Raptor was hurt by being reduced to a spot-up guy in Miami, which is why this debate is even happening. LMA won't be set in a corner like Bosh, but he will see his number dip, especially in the playoffs. Bosh learned how to play defense and fit into a system, which LMA hasn't done yet. I'd take Bosh over Aldridge as an overall player without even having to consider it.

I don't think Bosh is as dominating a post player as Aldridge. Further, Aldridge has a more accurate long range shot. Aldridge has been playing below his potential for too long.

His numbers will dip with the Spurs since there's a lot more players to share the ball with though.

tmtcsc
08-12-2015, 10:06 AM
Trolling is making the case for Aldridge by comparing LMA's playoff stats to Bosh's. Raptor was great in Toronto when he got the touches LMA got with Portland. LMA has a USG% of 28, whereas Miami Bosh had a 21. When he was in Toronto, his stats we better than LMA's.

I think people who don't expect to see LMA's stats tail off now that he's part of a system are in for a rude awakening. Raptor was hurt by being reduced to a spot-up guy in Miami, which is why this debate is even happening. LMA won't be set in a corner like Bosh, but he will see his number dip, especially in the playoffs. Bosh learned how to play defense and fit into a system, which LMA hasn't done yet. I'd take Bosh over Aldridge as an overall player without even having to consider it.

Right...because USG% is the go-to stat for determining who a better player is. And you're saying I'm trolling for trusting playoff performance numbers ? You have to be kidding me. Bosh has played his career in a notoriously sorry Eastern conference whereas Aldridge has had to face the league's best in the West. Claiming Bosh is a "way" better player than Aldridge is just plain ignorant.

barbacoataco
08-12-2015, 10:06 AM
Also Aldridge's rebounding has been stronger the last couple of years (over 10 RPG) and he does seem to be evolving as a player. I think Spurs fans will be impressed by his defense which is better than advertised.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:14 AM
Right...because USG% is the go-to stat for determining who a better player is.

Do you know what USG% is? By itself, it's neither here nor there how high it is. But the fact that you're trying to argue for stats like PPG and RPG while ignoring USG% is ludicrous. On equal footing, LMA doesn't really have any stat over Raptor, though they are essentially tied in a few.


And you're saying I'm trolling for trusting playoff performance numbers ?

Yes, because you aren't calibrating them at all, and you're only looking at offensive stats.


Claiming Bosh is a "way" better player than Aldridge is just plain ignorant.

They're about equal offensively while Bosh is light-years better defensively. It's not close.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:22 AM
Also Aldridge's rebounding has been stronger the last couple of years (over 10 RPG) and he does seem to be evolving as a player. I think Spurs fans will be impressed by his defense which is better than advertised.

yup also Bosh never played alongside a ballhog chuker like Lillard.

I am willing to bet Aldridge's #s and efficiency skyrocket this next couple of season.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:24 AM
They're about equal offensively

:lmao no they're not. Bosh was almost as good offensively for a couple years in Toronto. But that is long ago. And his D is good now thanks to Lebron and Wade. Any old scrub would improve his D immensely next to Lebron and Wade :lol

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:24 AM
Dang, Raptors Bosh is seriously underrated here.

Raptors Bosh was one of the most diverse and best offensive players in the league.

Bosh had a better face up game, and their about equal in other areas offensively.

Defensively, he was a a tad bit better. Amazing how his stats were positive playing along shitty players.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:26 AM
The Raptors today would beat the Bosh Raptors in a playoff series. That's how bad the Bosh Raptors were and in big part thanks to that choker Bosh :lol

no thanks. At least Lamarcus had 1 great playoff series as the big banana.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:26 AM
:lmao no they're not. Bosh was almost as good offensively for a couple years in Toronto. But that is long ago. And his D is good now thanks to Lebron and Wade. Any old scrub would improve his D immensely next to Lebron and Wade :lol

Yeah, they are, when you adjust for touches and minutes. If you don't think those things matter, you're gonna be really disappointed when you see LMA's numbers over the next couple years, especially in the playoffs when Tim's touches will rise.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:28 AM
Yeah, they are, when you adjust for touches and minutes. If you don't think those things matter, you're gonna be really disappointed when you see LMA's numbers over the next couple years, especially in the playoffs when Tim's touches will rise.

me thinks you'll be greatly dissapointed. Duncan will be over 40 this coming playoffs. He will be great defensively but will barely shoot the ball on the offense if at all.

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:28 AM
Raptors bosh didn't even have anyone beside him to play as the other big star :lol..

I don't doubt LMA and I think he's going to adjust his game just like Bosh did.

People that think LMA would score in bunches are going to be disappointed...I wouldn't be surprised if he post under 20ppg.

He seems like a guy that's ready and eager to play for a team, regardless of role.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:29 AM
20ppg is great from a bigman. especially if he can get double digits rebounds.

I'd be happy with that. :lol thinking ppl expect 25ppg+ from aldridge :lol

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:30 AM
me thinks you'll be greatly dissapointed. Duncan will be over 40 this coming playoffs. He will be great defensively but will barely shoot the ball on the offense if at all.

Why will I be disappointed if LMA is awesome in the playoffs? Nah, I'll be fine with the Spurs having matchup nightmare dominating. But that's not going to happen. If you don't think Tim's role will expand in the playoffs, I don't know what to tell you. Duncan is alpha on this team, and that's not going to change. That's especially true given that teams will probably focus to stop LMA, giving Tim a more favorable situation.

TXstbobcat
08-12-2015, 10:31 AM
Great article. Thank you for posting.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:34 AM
Why will I be disappointed if LMA is awesome in the playoffs? Nah, I'll be fine with the Spurs having matchup nightmare dominating. But that's not going to happen. If you don't think Tim's role will expand in the playoffs, I don't know what to tell you. Duncan is alpha on this team, and that's not going to change. That's especially true given that teams will probably focus to stop LMA, giving Tim a more favorable situation.

Tim's role WILL NOT expand next playoffs as compared to last playoffs. Not even close. Sorry to break it to you.

much likely his role will diminish considerably. which is all good because he needs to pass the torch as he is one foot in retirement. I'd be surprised to see Duncan log over 25 minutes per game next playoffs. (you can take this information to the bank)

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:34 AM
20ppg is great from a bigman. especially if he can get double digits rebounds.

I'd be happy with that. :lol thinking ppl expect 25ppg+ from aldridge :lol

Most people here expect aldige to score around 20-22..

I find that unlikely.

daslicer
08-12-2015, 10:35 AM
Bosh was better than Aldridge during his time with the Raptors and briefly with Miami. Aldridge has been better than Bosh since 2012. Bosh' advantage over Aldridge was his superior athleticism which Aldridge lacked. Bosh has athletically declined the last few years. Aldridge's offensive game is currently better than Bosh's and Aldridge has a better post up game.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:36 AM
Most people here expect aldige to score around 20-22..

I find that unlikely.

ok. if you gonna make a big deal about a mere 2ppg. :rolleyes

I myself would be happy with 18-19ppg. with 10+ rebounds. We have Kawhi to log in another 16ppg and that should be good enough to give us a fair chance at games. (parker would need to put up another 15ppg and our bench a minimum 35ppg of course)

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:38 AM
Tim's role WILL NOT expand next playoffs as compared to last playoffs. Not even close. Sorry to break it to you.

much likely his role will diminish considerably. which is all good because he needs to pass the torch as he is one foot in retirement. I'd be surprised to see Duncan log over 25 minutes per game next playoffs. (you can take this information to the bank)

Tim is still better than Aldridge, so yeah, he's going to get his touches. Again, when you have guys gameplanning to stop LMA, it's going to be even more obvious that Tim's touches will increase. LMA is part of the roster, not its new foundation. The team isn't going to force it to him just because you want to believe they will.

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:38 AM
Kawhi won't be putting up less number specially now :lol

He averaged 21 in the last 4 months what makes you think he'll go down to 16? :lol

2ppg is huge in a long season...:lol

Tim will still have a major role offensively..Why wouldn't he, when he's playing alongside a player with a huge defensive pull in aldridge? :lol

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:40 AM
of course Kawhi will put up less points. The ball will be going through LamAlpha :lol

wake up :lol

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:41 AM
of course Kawhi will put up less points. The ball will be going through LamAlpha :lol

wake up :lol

While LMAlpha is a funny nickname, I hope Aldridge has more realistic expectations of his role than you do.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:41 AM
Tim is still better than Aldridge

nope. he is absolutely not.


Again, when you have guys gameplanning to stop LMA, it's going to be even more obvious that Tim's touches will increase. LMA is part of the roster, not its new foundation. The team isn't going to force it to him just because you want to believe they will.

this is silly. Opponents will concentrate on LamAlpha from day 1 of the season. There will be no such "increase" of defensive pressure on Lamarcus :lol thats silly

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:41 AM
of course Kawhi will put up less points. The ball will be going through LamAlpha :lol

wake up :lol

I'm going to have to make a new thread tomorrow about Kawhi increasing in offensive load instead of decreasing.

Watxh as the average fan make it sound like they also knew all along a season from now. :lol

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:42 AM
While LMAlpha is a funny nickname, I hope Aldridge has more realistic expectations of his role than you do.

LMAlpha :tu I like it

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:43 AM
I'm going to have to make a new thread tomorrow about Kawhi increasing in offensive load instead of decreasing.

Watxh as the average fan make it sound like they also knew all along a season from now. :lol

why do tomorrow what you can do today?

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:45 AM
While LMAlpha is a funny nickname, I hope Aldridge has more realistic expectations of his role than you do.

Hopefully.

One aspect of LMA's game that was never utilized properly in the Blazers system was his passing. The guy is a great passer. I know people would disagree with me, and he didn't have that much opportunities passing the game to a big or a wing..a few sure, but the guy is one of the better passers in the league.

I'm existed to see Tim and LMA play off each other.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:48 AM
nope. he is absolutely not.

Well, there's really nothing I can say if you're gonna argue that.


this is silly. Opponents will concentrate on LamAlpha from day 1 of the season. There will be no such "increase" of defensive pressure on Lamarcus :lol thats silly

Or this. The level of strategy in the post-season is much higher than it is in the regular season. There's a reason why those seven-game series often have different outcomes from the regular-season series (Dallas and Spurs in 2014 and Brooklyn and Atlanta last year being two prime examples).

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 10:49 AM
It's funny how people think TD would just be a this guy in the offense. :lmao

This is Tim's opportunity to get the easiest baskets of his life with Aldridge playing.

Watching Robin Lopez try to play offense with Aldridge :lol

It's going to be fun seeing the haters wrong about Timmy..Thinking all of a sudden he's going to some guy in the offense. :lol

Tim will have an equal or more PPG/usage and minute next season....tbh

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:50 AM
Or this. The level of strategy in the post-season is much higher than it is in the regular season. There's a reason why those seven-game series often have different outcomes from the regular-season series (Dallas and Spurs in 2014 and Brooklyn and Atlanta last year being two prime examples).

so you are saying defenses don't concentrate on Lebron, or Curry in the regular season? lol

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:52 AM
so you are saying defenses don't concentrate on Lebron, or Curry in the regular season? lol

"Concentrate" in the context of the regular season is not the same thing at all as it is in the post-season. Do you think the Spurs defended James the same way (and with the same intensity) during those regular-season games as they did in the Finals? Seriously?

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:52 AM
Tim will have an equal or more PPG/usage and minute next season....tbh

only if we're injured like last season (splitter). No way Duncan logs over 35mpg in the playoffs

in2deep
08-12-2015, 10:54 AM
"Concentrate" in the context of the regular season is not the same thing at all as it is in the post-season. Do you think the Spurs defended James the same way (and with the same intensity) during those regular-season games as they did in the Finals? Seriously?

I will concede the defensive effort goes from about 80% to 100% in the post season. But that's all across the board. That does not change the defensive schemes. they are the same. on a given day the opposing coach will try to stop the best players to win the game. that does not change, thus what you claim won't happen.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 10:57 AM
I will concede the defensive effort goes from about 80% to 100% in the post season. But that's all across the board. That does not change the defensive schemes. they are the same. on a given day the opposing coach will try to stop the best players to win the game. that does not change, thus what you claim won't happen.

So you're in the "D-Rob was a choker" camp?

in2deep
08-12-2015, 11:15 AM
So you're in the "D-Rob was a choker" camp?

did he win anything without Duncan?

Chinook
08-12-2015, 11:17 AM
did he win anything without Duncan?

So you're in the "D-Rob was a choker" camp. Sure seems like basketball is just throwing a round object through a hoop to you.

in2deep
08-12-2015, 11:18 AM
So you're in the "D-Rob was a choker" camp. Sure seems like basketball is just throwing a round object through a hoop to you.

never said that. Maybe he just wasn't good enough.

back on topic....

tmtcsc
08-12-2015, 11:29 AM
The Spurs are going to have weapons at every position on the floor and LMA's presence is going to open things up for everyone. LMA won't have to produce the same numbers he had in Portland but its nice to know he isn't the sort of player that will get lost in the system or shrink in big games like Bosh did. If given a choice between Bosh and LMA, its Aldridge and its not even close. My hope is that Kawhi won't feel pressured to be an offensive juggernaut and can just focus on being a complete player and difference maker. There will be no double-teaming this Spurs starting five. They will absolute kill teams.

Brazil
08-12-2015, 11:49 AM
:lol I have a hard time to understand, after all these years of excellence, Tim is still underrated by his own fan base. Tim was the best Spur player last year, he is not gonna be some kind of marginal dude next year

in2deep
08-12-2015, 12:00 PM
Tim was the best Spur player last year

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UA7lMFNDf0c/maxresdefault.jpg

Brazil
08-12-2015, 12:06 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UA7lMFNDf0c/maxresdefault.jpg

:lol it's ok you are making a confusion between a whole season and a part of the season

it happens brah... don't be too severe with yourself

in2deep
08-12-2015, 12:10 PM
:lol it's ok you are making a confusion between a whole season and a part of the season

it happens brah... don't be too severe with yourself

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UA7lMFNDf0c/maxresdefault.jpg

tmtcsc
08-12-2015, 12:13 PM
At 39, Tim is still one of the league's best players at his position. That's all you need to know about how great he is. However, he is not the offensive player (no one would be) he once was. LMA will be the higher scorer this upcoming season. Tim will get his fair share of touches and points and I suspect they will be much easier to come by than last year. LMA has longer range and more dependable jump shot.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 12:23 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UA7lMFNDf0c/maxresdefault.jpg

Yeah, again, it wasn't even close. And that was especially true in the playoffs. Kawhi got more touches, but he barely scored more (on a worse TS%) and didn't lead Tim in any other stat (not even ones he should have led in like steals). It's amazing the impressions folks get from watching the same games.

PrimeMinister
08-12-2015, 12:30 PM
I love how cut and dry this shit is with you guys. Like it either has to be LMA is the star and Timmy gets no touches or vice versa.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 12:43 PM
I love how cut and dry this shit is with you guys. Like it either has to be LMA is the star and Timmy gets no touches or vice versa.

No one said anything about LMA being marginalized. But his numbers will go down as his USG% dips. The team is only going to give up so many collective touches to fit him in. He'll have to sacrifice stats just like the Heatles did.

Brazil
08-12-2015, 01:10 PM
Yeah, again, it wasn't even close. And that was especially true in the playoffs. Kawhi got more touches, but he barely scored more (on a worse TS%) and didn't lead Tim in any other stat (not even ones he should have led in like steals). It's amazing the impressions folks get from watching the same games.

true

even only talking about RS, Duncan played 13 more games, has a better PER, lower usage, better WS, even on Drtg and Ortg... not sure how it is even arguable. Now obviously Kawhi had stretches where he had been bothered by injuries and such and has obviously fully healthy a bigger impact than a 40 y/o Tim... but when you discuss about who has been the best player of a year you take into consistency and overall contribution on that it's like you said not even close

Mr Bones
08-12-2015, 02:47 PM
He stands an inch shy of seven feet, with a wingspan of 89 inches -- the second longest player in Trail Blazer history

When Duncan, LMA, and Kawhi are on the floor together, the Spurs will have the best front court length in the NBA...

Duncan's wingspan is, I believe, 7'3". LMA's is 7'5", and Kawhi's is also 7'3".

Old School 44
08-12-2015, 04:36 PM
When Duncan, LMA, and Kawhi are on the floor together, the Spurs will have the best front court length in the NBA...

Duncan's wingspan is, I believe, 7'3". LMA's is 7'5", and Kawhi's is also 7'3".

Not that they'll ever see the floor together, but throw in 7'8" wingspan of Boban and you have some insane length. :)

TD 21
08-12-2015, 04:57 PM
Bosh is better than LMA, and I would have preferred Raptor to Aldridge. But I'm glad the Spurs have one of them. Funny how Aldridge considered himself a combo-forward back them.

Was . . . slightly, in the latter stages of his Raptors career and early part of his Heat career (compared to Aldridge now). The last few years though, Bosh has been in a slight decline and Aldridge has been at his peak and since they were close enough to begin with, it's been enough to nudge Aldridge slightly ahead of him.

You're overstating the defensive difference between them. Bosh is a better defender in space/pick-and-roll and has greater defensive range, but Aldridge is a better rim protector, straight up post defender and defensive rebounder.


When Duncan, LMA, and Kawhi are on the floor together, the Spurs will have the best front court length in the NBA...

Duncan's wingspan is, I believe, 7'3". LMA's is 7'5", and Kawhi's is also 7'3".

Duncan's is probably 7'5'', if not slightly above.

Forget just length; that's the best front line in the league period and Duncan and Aldridge are the best big duo.

Down Under
08-12-2015, 05:42 PM
Pretty interested to see if Aldridge's efficiency improves. With the motion offense, he should get more shots at the rim - Pop hasn't had a big, athletic, coordinated finisher since the Spurs turned into an offensive machine in 2012.

slick'81
08-12-2015, 05:47 PM
Now you're just trolling.

Chinook is the biggest troll on here

TrainOfThought5
08-12-2015, 05:58 PM
It's funny how people think TD would just be a this guy in the offense. :lmao

This is Tim's opportunity to get the easiest baskets of his life with Aldridge playing.

Watching Robin Lopez try to play offense with Aldridge :lol

It's going to be fun seeing the haters wrong about Timmy..Thinking all of a sudden he's going to some guy in the offense. :lol

Tim will have an equal or more PPG/usage and minute next season....tbh

I expect LMAlpha's, Duncan's, and (Spoiler Alert!!) Tony Parker's efficiency to seriously spike next season.

tmtcsc
08-12-2015, 06:15 PM
Chinook is the biggest troll on here

I thought that was ChumpDumper. I sincerely think Chinook believes what he's writing.

ElNono
08-12-2015, 07:27 PM
LMA and Bosh are just different players, tbh... I also agree that Bosh has seemingly lost a step in the last couple seasons... Bosh probably has a more rounded up post game, but LMA can be that Dirk-type of frustrating, unstoppable offensive player at times, when he gets that jumper going and going and going... defensively, right now, it's a wash...

While it's likely LMA's numbers might drop some, it's also true that he has a chance to shine much more than he did in Portland. He can be a key cog on a team that could be a beast, and I'm sure Pop will go to him extensively...

Gladney to see you
08-12-2015, 08:05 PM
Once Bosh had to give up his turnaround post moves he really dropped off. I hate big guys that shoot jump shots. I KNOW...some of it was by design, but he lost something after letting it happen.

Seventyniner
08-12-2015, 08:19 PM
Once Bosh had to give up his turnaround post moves he really dropped off. I hate big guys that shoot jump shots. I KNOW...some of it was by design, but he lost something after letting it happen.

He kind of had to. Wade isn't a three-point shooter and LeBron wasn't best used as one. Chalmers was a half-decent threat from range, at least when left wide open like he usually was. If Bosh didn't drift to the perimeter, the spacing would have been fatally compromised.

The Spurs should have enough spacing to let Aldridge post up from time to time. Green is an elite shooter and Kawhi is good enough to be respected. For all Parker's warts, he's still good from midrange. As for Duncan...well, he has to sit sometimes.

manufan10
08-12-2015, 08:43 PM
I am so ready for the season to start already. Longest offseason ever!

Lostwingman
08-12-2015, 09:36 PM
I am so ready for the season to start already. Longest offseason ever!

This offseason is like a long whack session with lots of edging. I just want the season already.

Chinook
08-12-2015, 09:45 PM
Chinook is the biggest troll on here

:rolleyes

apalisoc_9
08-12-2015, 09:48 PM
If and when your take isn't vanilla and mainstream, you get a called a troll. :lol

Dancelot
08-12-2015, 09:49 PM
This offseason is like a long whack session with lots of edging. I just want the season already.
:lol

adonis827
08-12-2015, 10:27 PM
Trade Parker for George Hill's 7ft+ wingspan- Hill + Kawhi + Duncan + Aldridge + Danny Green. Wow defensive juggernaut!

The_Klaw
08-13-2015, 02:26 AM
you're gonna be really disappointed when you see LMA's numbers over the next couple years, especially in the playoffs when Tim's touches will rise.

I don't know Popovich enough, only read daily about him the last four years, but I'm under the impression that the second meeting with Aldridge was to talk clearly about his role on the team and convince him that his minutes, touches, points per game, will be maintained.

Aldridge wouldn't have signed with the Spurs if his stats wouldn't maintain his all-star player status, if his numbers would be reduced playing for them.

The_Klaw
08-13-2015, 02:53 AM
And that was especially true in the playoffs. Kawhi got more touches, but he barely scored more (on a worse TS%)


Duncan played 13 more games, has a better PER, lower usage, better WS, even on Drtg and Ortg... not sure how it is even arguable.

Kawhi was the leading scorer, 20.3 ppg in playoffs with Spurs' pace, offensive system sounds really good, he had better RMP, led the NBA in Defensive Rating in RS...it isn't like he didn't have any good number over Tim.

Brazil
08-13-2015, 07:23 AM
Kawhi was the leading scorer, 20.3 ppg in playoffs with Spurs' pace, offensive system sounds really good, he had better RMP, led the NBA in Defensive Rating in RS...it isn't like he didn't have any good number over Tim.

it isn't like we are saying kawhi does not have any good number over Tim... we just are saying Tim was the best player of the Spurs on RS and POs

Chinook
08-13-2015, 07:26 AM
Aldridge wouldn't have signed with the Spurs if his stats wouldn't maintain his all-star player status, if his numbers would be reduced playing for them.

Why not?

Chinook
08-13-2015, 07:39 AM
Was . . . slightly, in the latter stages of his Raptors career and early part of his Heat career (compared to Aldridge now). The last few years though, Bosh has been in a slight decline and Aldridge has been at his peak and since they were close enough to begin with, it's been enough to nudge Aldridge slightly ahead of him.

Bosh was a 21 ppg scorer with high efficiency than LMA last season. Raptor's definitely had to adjust to getting older, but that's hardly a bad thing. He's also spent years playing center and having deep playoff runs on a team with little bigman depth. I could totally have seen his numbers spike with the Spurs. He knows how to fit into a system that doesn't rely on him creating in the post. I think he'd be the safer play on offense than Aldridge, but it's not like the Spurs had the choice.


You're overstating the defensive difference between them. Bosh is a better defender in space/pick-and-roll and has greater defensive range, but Aldridge is a better rim protector, straight up post defender and defensive rebounder.

All that's great for 2K ratings, but Bosh has the edge for me. Mobility is king for bigs, especially power-forwards, and staying in front of your guy will always be more effective for protecting the rim than blocking shots. That's why Splitter is a better defender than Javale McGee is. At the same time, Bosh has had to defend as a center for most of the past five years. So it's not like he's bad inside. Raptor has the edge when it comes to versatility and overall impact, even if LMA is better than his team numbers suggest.

apalisoc_9
08-13-2015, 10:41 AM
I don't know Popovich enough, only read daily about him the last four years, but I'm under the impression that the second meeting with Aldridge was to talk clearly about his role on the team and convince him that his minutes, touches, points per game, will be maintained.

Aldridge wouldn't have signed with the Spurs if his stats wouldn't maintain his all-star player status, if his numbers would be reduced playing for them.

The spurs wouldn't have signed Aldridge if those were his demands.

Aldridge knows what's coming..a significant dip in numbers and minutes.

jsandiego
08-13-2015, 11:19 AM
Kawhi 18ppg
Aldridge 18ppg
Parker 15ppg
Duncan 12ppg
Green 12ppg
Bench 25ppg

Chinook
08-13-2015, 11:21 AM
Bench should have at least 5ppg more with West and Diaw on it.

apalisoc_9
08-13-2015, 11:30 AM
Kawhi 18ppg
Aldridge 18ppg
Parker 15ppg
Duncan 12ppg
Green 12ppg
Bench 25ppg

Kawhi 21PPG
Aldridge 19PPG
Parker 14PPG
Tim 13 PPG
Green 11 PPG
Bench 26PPG

105ppg next year imo..Should be enough for top 5 next year. Last year we average 103.2

103PPG team

spursistan
08-13-2015, 11:34 AM
I think overall LMA offensive output (ppg) will definitely decrease, but we'll be able to ride him in half dozen games for 28-35 pts where the offense sputters/TD resting/simply the rest of the team is having a cold shooting night..That's what we somehow used to do with Tony before his decline kicked at least in the regular season..It is good to have the insurance of a go-to guy capable of getting you 25-30 point night when needed..I think the Spurs has missed that the last couple of seasons..

apalisoc_9
08-13-2015, 11:35 AM
kawhi will not get 20+

The same way he would never win FMVP, DPOY and be a top 10 player right?

:lmao

jsandiego
08-13-2015, 12:49 PM
Kawhi 21PPG
Aldridge 19PPG
Parker 14PPG
Tim 13 PPG
Green 11 PPG
Bench 26PPG

105ppg next year imo..Should be enough for top 5 next year. Last year we average 103.2

103PPG team
I can see this happening. I think my guesstimate added up to 100. If I tack on another 3 points, I'd probably give one each to Kawhi (19ppg), LMA (19ppg), and the Bench (26ppg).

apalisoc_9
08-13-2015, 12:57 PM
he's not a top 10 player

I agree. He's a top 8 player.

TD 21
08-13-2015, 04:33 PM
Bosh was a 21 ppg scorer with high efficiency than LMA last season. Raptor's definitely had to adjust to getting older, but that's hardly a bad thing. He's also spent years playing center and having deep playoff runs on a team with little bigman depth. I could totally have seen his numbers spike with the Spurs. He knows how to fit into a system that doesn't rely on him creating in the post. I think he'd be the safer play on offense than Aldridge, but it's not like the Spurs had the choice.



All that's great for 2K ratings, but Bosh has the edge for me. Mobility is king for bigs, especially power-forwards, and staying in front of your guy will always be more effective for protecting the rim than blocking shots. That's why Splitter is a better defender than Javale McGee is. At the same time, Bosh has had to defend as a center for most of the past five years. So it's not like he's bad inside. Raptor has the edge when it comes to versatility and overall impact, even if LMA is better than his team numbers suggest.

I know why he's in a slight decline, but the reasoning isn't what's relevant. At his peak, he wasn't that much better than what Aldridge has been the past few years, which is why I now give the slight edge to Aldridge.

I disagree. Aldridge is exactly what this current Spurs team needs: A go-to scorer. Bosh's days of being that over 100 games are over.

No matter how much the game changes, protecting the rim/defensive rebounding will always be crucial. I'm not saying Bosh isn't a slightly better overall defender, all I'm saying is, he's not prime Duncan/Garnett/Wallace and Aldridge isn't Boozer/Lee/Stoudemire.

barbacoataco
08-13-2015, 07:31 PM
I think we'll see how good Aldridge's defense is with the Spurs.

The_Klaw
08-13-2015, 09:16 PM
Why not?

Because he wants to be the man and not share the spotlight.
If Aldridge was beginning to feel overshadowed by Lillard like many said, if that's true, he wanted a change with the trade, why he would sign with the Spurs if they don't respect his Alpha-dog stats?.
To win a title? But living the same situation with other players called Duncan, Kawhi instead of Lillard?

Aldridge isn't Tim Duncan, Parker, Manu, they have grown in Spurs culture sacrificing individual stats for team success, and he needs to feel appreciated, like most NBA stars, being the man and getting the touches.

The_Klaw
08-13-2015, 09:26 PM
it isn't like we are saying kawhi does not have any good number over Tim... we just are saying Tim was the best player of the Spurs on RS and POs

IMHO the most consistent player isn't the best player on a team.

Kawhi has became the Spurs player last season. Maybe we should see the record without Tim last season and without Kawhi to know the answer, but when Kawhi played at his level he was the best player by big margin.

Anyway I don't want argue, Tim Duncan is a legend, if he is the best player or most consistent player doesn't matter.

ElNono
08-13-2015, 11:42 PM
Hopefully he hops onto the W-Train this season,tbh