View Full Version : Damn...that video of the reporter getting shot is wicked...
CosmicCowboy
08-26-2015, 10:46 AM
You can see the damn bullet strike...:wow
I never watch that crap, but I'll point out it was a spic who did it
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 10:48 AM
extremely interested in the skin and motivation of the shooter(s)
CosmicCowboy
08-26-2015, 10:52 AM
I never watch that crap, but I'll point out it was a spic who did it
Vester L Flanagan is a hispanic name?
Apparently a personal vendetta against both of them over some workplace issue.
committed suicide
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 10:54 AM
Jesus, m<s even fails at racial insults.
Vester L Flanagan is a hispanic name?
Apparently a personal vendetta against both of them over some workplace issue.
committed suicide
edit, now they are saying he was black
Yet another case of black on white violence, this is going to stop
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 11:14 AM
edit, now they are saying he was black
Yet another case of black on white violence, this is going to stopAre you sure this time?
DarrinS
08-26-2015, 11:30 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vester-lee-flanagan-ii-named-suspect-live-tv-shootings-virginia-n416331
DarrinS
08-26-2015, 11:33 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/26/bryce-williams-vester-flanagan-history-of-racial-allegations-sued-tv-network-called-me-monkey/
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 11:35 AM
whites never learn, especially not Confederate whites
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 11:36 AM
whites never learn, especially not Confederate whitesWTF is that supposed to mean?
hitmanyr2k
08-26-2015, 11:40 AM
When you give someone a name as stupid as Vester this shit is bound to happen. And then to have the last name Flanagan?
spurraider21
08-26-2015, 11:40 AM
whites never learn, especially not Confederate whites
WTF is that supposed to mean?
:lol are you actually trying to reason with booboo?
DarrinS
08-26-2015, 11:47 AM
Damn. He filmed it from his POV.
He stood there aiming the gun at them and they didn't even notice. WTF?
http://coed.com/2015/08/26/vester-flanagan-bryce-williams-shooter-pov-video-point-of-view-uploaded-nsfw/
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 11:47 AM
whites never learn, especially not Confederate whites
Are you retarded? Actually, don't answer that question, we all know you're retarded.
The shooter was black and a diehard SJW. Are you implying that this was the victims' fault?
whites never learn, especially not Confederate whites
Never learn what, not to relax around blacks? Agreed
Oh, great... now we have to hear how black-on-white violence does exist.
hitmanyr2k
08-26-2015, 12:27 PM
Oh, great... now we have to hear how black-on-white violence does exist.
Eh, doesn't matter if it's black on white, white on black, whatever. This is just another typical day in Bumblefuck, America. Some people just actually got to watch it live for a change.
Eh, doesn't matter if it's black on white, white on black, whatever. This is just another typical day in Bumblefuck, America. Some people just actually got to watch it live for a change.
It does matter when 90% of it is black on white
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 12:34 PM
It does matter when 90% of it is black on whiteI won't even ask you for a link because we all know it's bullshit.
AlexJones
08-26-2015, 12:34 PM
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1440610010188.png
here u go
More black shenanigans
http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/punk-who-played-knockout-game-with-girl-gets-chased-down-dreadlock-torn-from-scalp/
Vendetta
08-26-2015, 12:37 PM
Vester L Flanagan is a hispanic name?
Apparently a personal vendetta against both of them over some workplace issue.
committed suicide
Wasn't me.
The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85% and whites commit 15%.
before you slam the source, that have citations with links to all of their data
https://violenceagainstwhites.wordpress.com/statistics/
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 01:13 PM
WTF is that supposed to mean?
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn. Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
And this wasn't manual labor job site, but a mostly white collar TV station, supposedly with educated, more sophisticated people than you rural, shirt sleeve less bubbas.
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn.
Do we know that was the case here?
Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
:lol
Spurminator
08-26-2015, 01:18 PM
boutons is a fucking idiot.
baseline bum
08-26-2015, 01:28 PM
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn. Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
And this wasn't manual labor job site, but a mostly white collar TV station, supposedly with educated, more sophisticated people than you rural, shirt sleeve less bubbas.
Oh fuck you with your they got what they deserved crap.
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn. Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
And this wasn't manual labor job site, but a mostly white collar TV station, supposedly with educated, more sophisticated people than you rural, shirt sleeve less bubbas.
You do approve, just look what you wrote
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 01:51 PM
Oh look another shooting boutons is celebrating. One seriously fucked in the head person.
TeyshaBlue
08-26-2015, 01:52 PM
:rolleyes boutons
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 01:53 PM
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn. Well, they got a lesson now
Fuck off, shill. There's no proof besides the mentally deranged shooter's word (which means nothing) that anyone ever made any racist comments towards him. Even if they did, the murders still would be inexcusable.
The fact that you're celebrating these brutal murders demonstrates that liberalism is a mental disorder.
(I don't approve of the shooting)
Bullshit. You can't even contain your glee.
DarrinS
08-26-2015, 01:56 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/beta/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339
“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…”
“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."
“As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”
DarrinS
08-26-2015, 02:01 PM
HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wbdj-shooting-on-air_55ddaa54e4b0a40aa3acca3c?aj9ssjor
No photo of shooter or mention of his race.
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 02:05 PM
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn. Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
And this wasn't manual labor job site, but a mostly white collar TV station, supposedly with educated, more sophisticated people than you rural, shirt sleeve less bubbas.
You left out the bullying racist blacks that drove him to kill
"-He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work --He says he has been attacked by black men and white females --He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man"
baseline bum
08-26-2015, 02:22 PM
Fuck off, shill. There's no proof besides the mentally deranged shooter's word (which means nothing) that anyone ever made any racist comments towards him. Even if they did, the murders still would be inexcusable.
The fact that you're celebrating these brutal murders demonstrates that liberalism is a mental disorder.
Bullshit. You can't even contain your glee.
Mentally deranged? Nah man, this fuck knew exactly what he was doing. He was an angry loser looking to burn the world down around him. I really hate it when anger gets lumped into mental illnesses.
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 02:24 PM
BLM being retarded as usual:
http://i.imgur.com/Bo8g5Qj.jpg
Of course, he deleted the tweet as soon as it dawned on him that the shooter was black.
The shooter was black and a diehard SJW. Are you implying that this was the victims' fault?
Guess you could say the shooter was triggered .. amirite u guize?
Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
yeah that's consistent
What's with black men having all this anger and violence toward white women? Is it because the real world isn't like shekelstein productions porn videos and they can't handle rejection? Why the obsession with whites, so even if she did say something so what ifs fucking words. Blacks always want to get violent and chimp out over the slightest perceived wrongdoing. This is why the 10mm glock goes with me everywhere, I'll send anyone straight to hell if they think they're going to victimize me while minding my own business.
My heart goes out to this woman because she shouldn't have had to live in society with this animal to begin with. Black on white violence is the giant hidden elephant in the room since the 60s and no one wants to talk about it or deal with it. But dealt with soon it shall be.
CosmicCowboy
08-26-2015, 02:41 PM
Kool will probably crack one day when he realizes his lifelong fantasy of getting with a white woman is futile.
spurraider21
08-26-2015, 02:43 PM
extremely interested in the skin and motivation of the shooter(s)
:lmao
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 03:45 PM
:lmao
extreme interest drove him right out of the thread
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 04:34 PM
Oh fuck you with your they got what they deserved crap.
I didn't say that.
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 04:36 PM
Oh look another shooting boutons is celebrating. One seriously fucked in the head person.
You Lie
not celebrating, whites give blacks shit, but the don't expect to get shit back. They never learn.
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 04:38 PM
You left out the bullying racist blacks that drove him to kill
"-He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work --He says he has been attacked by black men and white females --He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man"
so he was black and guy, and got shit on for each.
CosmicCowboy
08-26-2015, 04:41 PM
:lmao
.....only Boutons...:lol
Dude got his widdle feelings hurt so he retaliates with mass murder...and Boo defends it.
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 04:46 PM
:lmao
.....only Boutons...:lol
Dude got his widdle feelings hurt so he retaliates with mass murder...and Boo defends it.
obviously his feelings weren't so widdle, and it sounds like his grievances go back 15 years.
CosmicCowboy
08-26-2015, 04:48 PM
Boo just relates because the guy was batshit crazy like him.
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 04:53 PM
so he was black and guy, and got shit on for each.
It's amazing how he had magically been "discriminated against" literally everywhere he worked, tried to sue over it, and none of the cases went anywhere. His own former employer described him as a perpetually angry person who looked for reasons to get offended. He was a militant SJW and a professional victim who refused to consider that HE was the asshole.
And being a diehard SJW yourself, you're defending him and celebrating his crime based only on his skin color and sexual orientation. You are sick and deranged.
obviously his feelings weren't so widdle, and it sounds like his grievances go back 15 years.
Weren't the victims 24 and 27? So they've been bullying him since they were little kids?
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 04:57 PM
I mean, as sick as all liberals are, at least most of them have had the decency to pivot to the gun control agenda instead of doubling down on racist identity politics like Boutons.
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 05:00 PM
Confederate VA whites trashing, insulting, ridiculing blacks, they NEVER learn. Well, they got a lesson now (I don't approve of the shooting)
And this wasn't manual labor job site, but a mostly white collar TV station, supposedly with educated, more sophisticated people than you rural, shirt sleeve less bubbas.Oh that is such bullshit. At first glance this dude could just be an extreme narcissist in the clinical sense. No matter his race or sexuality, this guy was going to blame everyone else for his own failures.
CosmicCowboy
08-26-2015, 05:01 PM
I am SO patting Boo down if he ever shows up at a GTG.
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 05:05 PM
You Lie
not celebrating, whites give blacks shit, but the don't expect to get shit back. They never learn.
wow
spurraider21
08-26-2015, 05:05 PM
I am SO patting Boo down if he ever shows up at a GTG.
gay
It's amazing how he had magically been "discriminated against" literally everywhere he worked, tried to sue over it, and none of the cases went anywhere. His own former employer described him as a perpetually angry person who looked for reasons to get offended. He was a militant SJW and a professional victim who refused to consider that HE was the asshole.
And being a diehard SJW yourself, you're defending him and celebrating his crime based only on his skin color and sexual orientation. You are sick and deranged.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/d1fcd7e8b7e02ed386e73a54473dac42/tumblr_nmxuae7UKl1usf060o1_400.gif
Blizzardwizard
08-26-2015, 05:41 PM
I mean, as sick as all liberals are, at least most of them have had the decency to pivot to the gun control agenda instead of doubling down on racist identity politics like Boutons.
I've seen plenty of conservatives pushing the 'don't talk about guns unless you have something good to say about guns' agenda shit today, but I, as most people should be doing, am keeping away from discussing this for now.
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 06:02 PM
"racist identity politics"
.. you stupid fuck. The guy cracked after years, decades? of ridicule, harassment for his identities of being black and gay. And esp Confederate whites and macho heteros think can keep ridiculing blacks and gays with impunity.
Pelicans78
08-26-2015, 06:05 PM
"racist identity politics"
.. you stupid fuck. The guy cracked after years, decades? of ridicule, harassment for his identities of being black and gay. And esp Confederate whites and macho heteros think can keep ridiculing blacks and gays with impunity.
If he was that insecure, he should have killed himself sooner. And you can't prove he was harassed. Dude is a stone cold killer.
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 06:09 PM
This dude had a personality disorder at best.
Spurminator
08-26-2015, 06:17 PM
Maybe he was harassed because he was an asshole.
TeyshaBlue
08-26-2015, 06:39 PM
"racist identity politics"
.. you stupid fuck. The guy cracked after years, decades? of ridicule, harassment for his identities of being black and gay. And esp Confederate whites and macho heteros think can keep ridiculing blacks and gays with impunity.
Says who, fucknut? thinkprogress.borg?
Shut the fuck up.
baseline bum
08-26-2015, 06:51 PM
https://33.media.tumblr.com/d1fcd7e8b7e02ed386e73a54473dac42/tumblr_nmxuae7UKl1usf060o1_400.gif
:lmao
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 06:55 PM
Curious who boutons think pushed him over the edge....the meanie white ladies or the meanie black guys.
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 06:58 PM
I've seen plenty of conservatives pushing the 'don't talk about guns unless you have something good to say about guns' agenda shit today, but I, as most people should be doing, am keeping away from discussing this for now.
Believe me, pushing the anti-gun agenda before the bodies are done cooling is disgusting, but excusing a murderer purely because of their skin color and who they like to have sex with is even worse.
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 06:59 PM
"racist identity politics"
.. you stupid fuck. The guy cracked after years, decades? of ridicule, harassment for his identities of being black and gay. And esp Confederate whites and macho heteros think can keep ridiculing blacks and gays with impunity.
Where is the proof of any harassment? And no, the killer's manifesto is not a credible or unbiased source.
baseline bum
08-26-2015, 07:05 PM
I am SO patting Boo down if he ever shows up at a GTG.
LOL, I always knew boutons had shit for brains, but never figured he was this much a dickhead.
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 07:54 PM
"racist identity politics"
.. you stupid fuck. The guy cracked after years, decades? of ridicule, harassment for his identities of being black and gay. And esp Confederate whites and macho heteros think can keep ridiculing blacks and gays with impunity.
Eh no. The guy was simply just a piece of shit and very poor at doing his job.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3212142/The-human-tape-recorder-TV-murderer-criticized-bosses-appalling-journalistic-standards-reprimanded-wearing-Obama-badge-report-elections.html
fuck yourself boutons, you are one sick and twisted individual.
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 07:56 PM
Dylan Roof's manifesto pushed it to hate crime, how is this manifesto any different?
Splits
08-26-2015, 08:07 PM
This guy was the black version of m>s
“As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 08:22 PM
I watched the video at work with no volume and after reading many comments I'm passing on watching with sound.
Slightly off off topic but funny interview with liveleak founder defending release of shooting video and putting some little dweeb author in his place. Skip to 7 min mark.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=334_1440629515
boutons_deux
08-26-2015, 08:27 PM
Eh no. The guy was simply just a piece of shit and very poor at doing his job.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3212142/The-human-tape-recorder-TV-murderer-criticized-bosses-appalling-journalistic-standards-reprimanded-wearing-Obama-badge-report-elections.html
fuck yourself boutons, you are one sick and twisted individual.
black kills white, therefore black is piece of shit, very predictable TSA.
ChumpDumper
08-26-2015, 08:32 PM
black kills white, therefore black is piece of shit, very predictable TSA.Do you not consider this guy to be a piece of shit?
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 08:34 PM
black kills white, therefore black is piece of shit, very predictable TSA.
Didn't read the article did you. Not surprising.
His track record at work proves he is a piece of shit. Oh yeah and he just killed two people, that too helps a bit in the piece of shit category.
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 08:35 PM
Do you not consider this guy to be a piece of shit?
Doesnt sound like it. He's excused the guy at every turn. Shooter is actually the victim.
Splits
08-26-2015, 08:35 PM
I watched the video at work with no volume and after reading many comments I'm passing on watching with sound.
Slightly off off topic but funny interview with liveleak founder defending release of shooting video and putting some little dweeb author in his place. Skip to 7 min mark.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=334_1440629515
It's on YouTube. Why is liveleak defending itself "funny"?
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 08:40 PM
It's on YouTube. Why is liveleak defending itself "funny"?
Dweeb author blames shooting on liveleak founder, liveleak founder hadn't even seen video, dweeb author admits to seeing it, hilarious backpedal and awkwardness ensue
Splits
08-26-2015, 08:41 PM
Dweeb author blames shooting on liveleak founder, liveleak founder hadn't even seen video, dweeb author admits to seeing it, hilarious backpedal and awkwardness ensue
Yeah, I watched it, didn't find it particularly funny.
TheSanityAnnex
08-26-2015, 08:51 PM
Yeah, I watched it, didn't find it particularly funny.
Cool. Show me something funny so I know what will make you laugh next time.
Clipper Nation
08-26-2015, 09:03 PM
black kills white, therefore black is piece of shit, very predictable TSA.
Holy shit.... he killed two innocent people live on air, therefore he's a piece of shit. Seek help!
mingus
08-26-2015, 10:21 PM
"racist identity politics"
.. you stupid fuck. The guy cracked after years, decades? of ridicule, harassment for his identities of being black and gay. And esp Confederate whites and macho heteros think can keep ridiculing blacks and gays with impunity.
People get harassed all the time for a variety of reasons.
Midgets get harassed all the time. Albinos get harassed all the time. Hermaphrodites get harassed all the time. People with buck teeth get harassed all the time. The list goes on.
The he extreme liberal and extreme conservative attitude is to try to correct this by blaming others for their failings (conservatives with wetbacks, fags, blacks and liberals with Christians and white males). Self-victimization.
This is guy was a self-victimizing psychopath killer who used the same excuse as other cold-blooded killers ("I was insulted/made fun of/mistreated") to kill. But you're coming to his defense.
Get help. Really, get help.
Does anyone else find it really weird that the impact didn't knock her down or otherwise jolt her body at all? She just ran off like a deer that got hit in nonvital spot rather than a small woman who was unloaded on from point blank.
Spurtacular
08-26-2015, 10:52 PM
This dude had a personality disorder at best.
Whatever that matters...
Dude was a cowardly p.o.s. that killed people in cold blood. He killed his cats in the forest before this as well.
Blizzardwizard
08-26-2015, 10:53 PM
Believe me, pushing the anti-gun agenda before the bodies are done cooling is disgusting, but excusing a murderer purely because of their skin color and who they like to have sex with is even worse.
What? Who's doing that?
baseline bum
08-26-2015, 10:56 PM
What? Who's doing that?
boutons is
Believe me, pushing the anti-gun agenda before the bodies are done cooling is disgusting
This is such bullshit... especially when it's the father of one the victim's calling for gun control. He just lost a loved one, and he wants to do something about it to help prevent more tragic incidents from happening. What's disgusting is the way you act as if he can't wait to exploit his daughter's death to push an "agenda"... :rolleyes
How can a small island that produced minds like Newton and Hawking have also produced Blizzardwizzard? How'd he miss getting any of those genes?
Blizzardwizard
08-26-2015, 11:15 PM
This is such bullshit... especially when it's the father of one the victim's calling for gun control. He just lost a loved one, and he wants to do something about it to help prevent more tragic incidents from happening. What's disgusting is the way you act as if he can't wait to exploit his daughter's death to push an "agenda"... :rolleyes
And when you consider these gun murders happen so frequently, and it is seen as taboo according to conservatives to talk about gun control after these events, when are we ever allowed to discuss gun control? After the next murder? Never?
It's all a pretty weak attempt to take the moral high ground, and as you say, if the victim's father is discussing gun control immediately, as was the father of someone shot dead in the Isla Vista massacre, why shouldn't it be discussed on a national basis?
Blizzardwizard
08-26-2015, 11:17 PM
How can a small island that produced minds like Newton and Hawking have also produced Blizzardwizzard? How'd he miss getting any of those genes?
Your obsession with me is unhealthy, you must spend hours on end waiting for me to post something just so you can swell with intense fervour after calling me a faggot or something to that extent.
Keep on keeping on, champ.
pgardn
08-26-2015, 11:49 PM
People get harassed all the time for a variety of reasons.
Midgets get harassed all the time. Albinos get harassed all the time. Hermaphrodites get harassed all the time. People with buck teeth get harassed all the time. The list goes on.
The he extreme liberal and extreme conservative attitude is to try to correct this by blaming others for their failings (conservatives with wetbacks, fags, blacks and liberals with Christians and white males). Self-victimization.
This is guy was a self-victimizing psychopath killer who used the same excuse as other cold-blooded killers ("I was insulted/made fun of/mistreated") to kill. But you're coming to his defense.
Get help. Really, get help.
You have harassed Boots thereby giving him a ticket to kill something with the prefix BIG.
BigMortuaries are unsure of their status.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 12:26 AM
Does anyone else find it really weird that the impact didn't knock her down or otherwise jolt her body at all? She just ran off like a deer that got hit in nonvital spot rather than a small woman who was unloaded on from point blank.This is how I know you have never been in combat.
This is how I know you have never been in combat.
here you go talking out of your ass again. Do we know if he shot her with fmj or hollow point? I could maybe see fmj just passing right through but even still it looked weird. I shot people in Syria but not from that close but something seems off.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 12:33 AM
here you go talking out of your ass again. Do we know if he shot her with fmj or hollow point? I could maybe see fmj just passing right through but even still it looked weird. I shot people in Syria but not from that close but something seems off.This is how I know you have never been in combat.
This is how I know you have never been in combat.
This is how I know you are full of shit, you keep repeating yourself and not tipping your hand. Tell us how you know about the lives of anonymous people. It's hilarious to hear this considering I'm looking at a photo of myself shaking mr assads hand
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 12:38 AM
This is how I know you are full of shit, you keep repeating yourself and not tipping your hand. Tell us how you know about the lives of anonymous people. It's hilarious to hear this considering I'm looking at a photo of myself shaking mr assads handYou expect gunshot victims to react like they do in the movies. This is how I know you have never been in combat.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 01:02 AM
And when you consider these gun murders happen so frequently, and it is seen as taboo according to conservatives to talk about gun control after these events, when are we ever allowed to discuss gun control? After the next murder? Never?
It's all a pretty weak attempt to take the moral high ground, and as you say, if the victim's father is discussing gun control immediately, as was the father of someone shot dead in the Isla Vista massacre, why shouldn't it be discussed on a national basis?
Okay let's discuss it. What gun control measure would prevent what happened today?
You expect gunshot victims to react like they do in the movies. This is how I know you have never been in combat.
Nobody said anything about the movies but her body should flinch. The bullet apparently just passed right through her like a paper target without transferring any of the energy to her. It's not natural.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:10 AM
Nobody said anything about the movies but her body should flinch. The bullet apparently just passed right through her like a paper target without transferring any of the energy to her. It's not natural.You said it should have knocked her down.
This is how I know you have never been in combat.
The gunman is supposed to have been immediately next to the crew and woman with whom he (a gay guy!) had a falling-out, and none of these people had him or his DRAWN GUN in their peripheral vision? Not one of these visually-oriented people could pick up an obvious big black threat right next to them? BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT.
Admittedly, the actor has fairly light complexion, and light can do other cool things. But that hand looks like a white not-obese guy's hand, and the Doom meme is just a little too-perfect. BULLSHIT.
Kike anti-gun memers have been shilling EXTRA HARD on here and 4chan today. Like, even harder than anything else I can recall, except maybe the speed of gamergate banning.. And since 4chan is effectively a permitted honeypot under the auspices of the state, the permissiveness around these of-themselves harmless threads is to be expected. BULLSHIT.
The woman is 24? She looks early 30s, makeup notwithstanding. BULLSHIT.
The father and boyfriend held their composure less than 24 hours after the "slaying"?, the father consistently referring to his just-slain daughter in the past-tense? The father authored a paragraph or two again consistently referencing the daughter in the past tense? BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT. ABSOLUTE GOD-DAMNED BULLSHIT.
They're not even trying anymore.
ARM YOURSELVES.
You said it should have knocked her down.
This is how I know you have never been in combat.
Depending where you are hit and the ammunition used yes knock you down or at least jolt your body, no one just gets shot and stands there with no reaction. A .40 cal can literally knock you out it hits you so hard, granted I think the shooter used a 9mm but some energy should have been transferred to her.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:15 AM
Depending where you are hit and the ammunition used yes knock you down or at least jolt your body, no one just gets shot and stands there with no reaction. A .40 cal can literally knock you out it hits you so hard, granted I think the shooter used a 9mm but some energy should have been transferred to her.This is how I know you have never been in combat.
This is how I know you have never been in combat.
This is how I know you're a kike shill
ElNono
08-27-2015, 01:34 AM
Okay let's discuss it. What gun control measure would prevent what happened today?
I'm gonna chime in here. A thorough mental health check might have caught this troubled individual... or maybe not.
I think certain things can be done from a medical standpoint. ie: Are you diagnosed with depression? Maybe you should be asked to turn your guns in until the doc clears you.
Troubled/violent divorce? Maybe you should be required to turn your weapons in until you completed a few therapy sessions and the shrink clears you up.
Obviously, I understand not everybody will agree, and it certainly might not prevent every incident, but I get the feeling we're not taking mental health seriously enough, and we can be much more pro active about it.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:41 AM
This is how I know you're a kike shilllol don't get mad because you exposed your ignorance again.
hehateme
08-27-2015, 02:00 AM
I just came here to read boutards comments and shake my head in shame at the oxygen wasted on this pos.
spurraider21
08-27-2015, 03:13 AM
here you go talking out of your ass again. Do we know if he shot her with fmj or hollow point? I could maybe see fmj just passing right through but even still it looked weird. I shot people in Syria but not from that close but something seems off.
shooter said they were hollow points
Quetzal-X
08-27-2015, 06:22 AM
Staged. Maybe he was part of the liberal lame screen media's obvious anti-gun/American theatre.
JoeChalupa
08-27-2015, 06:37 AM
Okay let's discuss it. What gun control measure would prevent what happened today?
Then why have any laws at all?
Murder - stil happens
Speeding - still happens
DWI/DUI - still happens
Texting and driving - still happens
Trespassing - still happens
The list of laws that are broken goes on and on. Doesn't mean that laws should not be enacted.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 09:28 AM
I'm gonna chime in here. A thorough mental health check might have caught this troubled individual... or maybe not.
I think certain things can be done from a medical standpoint. ie: Are you diagnosed with depression? Maybe you should be asked to turn your guns in until the doc clears you.
Troubled/violent divorce? Maybe you should be required to turn your weapons in until you completed a few therapy sessions and the shrink clears you up.
Obviously, I understand not everybody will agree, and it certainly might not prevent every incident, but I get the feeling we're not taking mental health seriously enough, and we can be much more pro active about it.
Separate issue in my opinion but I agree.
Good article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11827814/Gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-the-Virginia-shooting.-We-need-to-talk-about-mental-health.html
Oh, Gee!!
08-27-2015, 09:42 AM
It's hilarious to hear this considering I'm looking at a photo of myself shaking mr assads hand
Post it. You can black out your face to protect your identity.
Blizzardwizard
08-27-2015, 09:55 AM
Okay let's discuss it. What gun control measure would prevent what happened today?
Banning the legal acquisition of handguns (the gun was acquired legally by the shooter). Either that or thorough mental health checks for people buying weapons, and I have little doubt that if this guy had been properly checked there's no way he'd be given a weapon.
:wakeup
CosmicCowboy
08-27-2015, 10:04 AM
Nobody said anything about the movies but her body should flinch. The bullet apparently just passed right through her like a paper target without transferring any of the energy to her. It's not natural.
In the original video released yesterday you could actually see the bullet strike on her...heart shot center mass right above the boobs. I think they clipped that frame out in later releases.
In the original video released yesterday you could actually see the bullet strike on her...heart shot center mass right above the boobs. I think they clipped that frame out in later releases.
Man see I knew something was weird, fuck chump for trying to lie on me
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 10:47 AM
Man see I knew something was weird, fuck chump for trying to lie on melol you think she should have flown into the air like you saw in movies. This is how I know you have never been in combat.
DAF86
08-27-2015, 11:17 AM
Everyfucking idiot should have a gun, freedom of the United States of Amurrrika! :cry:cry:cry
In your country is easier to get a gun than getting into a plane, what the fuck do you expect?
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 11:43 AM
Banning the legal acquisition of handguns (the gun was acquired legally by the shooter). :lol
Either that or thorough mental health checks for people buying weapons, and I have little doubt that if this guy had been properly checked there's no way he'd be given a weapon.
:wakeup That isn't gun control
m>s is married with children, has combat experience and graduated from both UT-A and UTSA. He has lived a full life.
SnakeBoy
08-27-2015, 12:15 PM
Banning the legal acquisition of handguns (the gun was acquired legally by the shooter).
Bingo. Not that I would support it but banning handguns is the only legislation that will have any significant impact on reducing gun violence in this country. All of the other proposals like background checks, banning semi automatic rifles, etc. are just political talking points.
lol you think she should have flown into the air like you saw in movies. This is how I know you have never been in combat.
I never said anything at all about people flying through the air like a movie, that was all your shilling
ElNono
08-27-2015, 12:35 PM
Separate issue in my opinion but I agree.
Good article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11827814/Gun-control-wouldnt-have-stopped-the-Virginia-shooting.-We-need-to-talk-about-mental-health.html
Thanks for the link.
It's not a separate issue. Whenever you're mandated to relinquish your 2nd amendment right, even temporarily, it's a gun control issue.
I'm actually pretty sure the NRA would scream murder with some of the suggestions I made in my previous post.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 12:37 PM
I never said anything at all about people flying through the air like a movie, that was all your shillingCalm down. Everyone knows what you said. It's up there for everyone to see. Now everyone can tell you have never been in combat.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 12:39 PM
Does anyone else find it really weird that the impact didn't knock her down or otherwise jolt her body at all? She just ran off like a deer that got hit in nonvital spot rather than a small woman who was unloaded on from point blank.
:lol
You keep clinging to the same statements that don't make any sense. If I slugged you in the arm your arm would jolt, same thing. I saw no reaction on her part at all to getting shot.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 12:59 PM
Now your fist is a bullet!
This just keeps getting better.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the link.
It's not a separate issue. Whenever you're mandated to relinquish your 2nd amendment right, even temporarily, it's a gun control issue.
I'm actually pretty sure the NRA would scream murder with some of the suggestions I made in my previous post.
Guess we just see it differently, that's fine. Slippery slope though when you put the power of who can own a firearm in the hands of a doctor. Especially considering this http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/almost-link-mental-health-gun-violence
Now your fist is a bullet!
This just keeps getting better.
Yeah getting shot is no walk in the park. I've never seen a small women get a clip unloaded into her and run off with no reaction
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:14 PM
Yeah getting shot is no walk in the park.So now you've been shot too?
:lmao
How did your body jolt?
http://i.imgur.com/d7WY4NC.gif
ElNono
08-27-2015, 01:20 PM
Guess we just see it differently, that's fine. Slippery slope though when you put the power of who can own a firearm in the hands of a doctor. Especially considering this http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/almost-link-mental-health-gun-violence
That's exactly the counter-argument I was expecting. Then again, you can go to a different doctor, unless mandated by a court order. But at least now you have a professional putting his name on the line.
It doesn't guarantee anything, either. But the general impression right now, IMO, is that it's a free for all, and it's difficult to assign responsibility.
boutons_deux
08-27-2015, 01:26 PM
"relinquish your 2nd amendment right"
a right which applies to militia fighting invaders, not arming to the teeth bubbas, rednecks, gun fellators revolting, committing treason against US govts.
I don't underestimate m>s' life experiences.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:29 PM
I don't underestimate m>s' life experiences.He has a picture of Assad shooting m>s's kids.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 01:39 PM
That's exactly the counter-argument I was expecting. Then again, you can go to a different doctor, unless mandated by a court order. But at least now you have a professional putting his name on the line.
It doesn't guarantee anything, either. But the general impression right now, IMO, is that it's a free for all, and it's difficult to assign responsibility.
The science doesn't support it though. Having a mental health issue does not lead to violence in the majority of cases. You'd be denying too many people their right to bear arms based on the small percentage of people with mental health problems that do become violent. The mental health aspect has to be addressed though and I support looking in to it further as limiting magazine capacity, banning assault rifles, bullet buttons etc do nothing to curb the violence.
So now you've been shot too?
:lmao
How did your body jolt?
http://i.imgur.com/d7WY4NC.gif
Muh movie
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:47 PM
Muh movie:cryMuh military experience:cry
:cryMuh foreskin:cry
:cryMuh UTA:cry
:cryMuh children:cry
:cryMuh mean suburban Metroplex streets:cry
:cryMuh black alter ego:cry
:cryMuh picture with Assad:cry
That's a lot of rustled jimmies. Broke the chump.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 01:56 PM
That's a lot of rustled jimmies. Broke the chump.It looks especially bad when all your lies are listed together like that, eh?
Broke m<s with his own bullshit.
Still here unaffected by your lies and propaganda. Jimmies status: unrustled.
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 02:01 PM
Now start with the memes, m<s. Show us how rustled your jimmies are.
muh high-yield business ventures :lol
Still unrustled as always, your move
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 02:03 PM
:cryMuh mountain of cash:cry
Mockery is the most sincere form of flattery
Blake
08-27-2015, 02:06 PM
Mockery is the most sincere form of flattery
You feel really flattered here don't you
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 02:08 PM
lol m<s being :cryextra careful:cry about what he posts now that his threats have been outed.
m<s has been neutered. Not that he really had any balls in the first place.
Yep chump just can't help himself
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 02:09 PM
Yep chump just can't help himselfTrue. You've made yourself such an easy target.
lol m<s being :cryextra careful:cry about what he posts now that his threats have been outed.
m<s has been neutered. Not that he really had any balls in the first place.
You just get alive out of that dont you, im still here though
ChumpDumper
08-27-2015, 02:13 PM
You just get alive out of that dont you, im still here thoughTry English next time.
Supposed to read that you get a kick out of that
ElNono
08-27-2015, 03:53 PM
The science doesn't support it though. Having a mental health issue does not lead to violence in the majority of cases. You'd be denying too many people their right to bear arms based on the small percentage of people with mental health problems that do become violent. The mental health aspect has to be addressed though and I support looking in to it further as limiting magazine capacity, banning assault rifles, bullet buttons etc do nothing to curb the violence.
That's debatable. First we would need to establish how many people are those "too many people" you cite. And second, you could certainly bring a criteria about likelihood of violence. But the process has to be ongoing. That you were cleared out 5 years ago should be no indication of your current condition.
DarrinS
08-27-2015, 04:02 PM
Seems like this guy carefully planned this and his writing doesn't seem like someone who is mentally ill. Sometimes people just do evil shit.
Quetzal-X
08-27-2015, 04:22 PM
There is probably a shit ton of motherfuckers out there that just havent been seen by a Dr. and dont realize they are fucked up crazy yet.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 04:51 PM
That's debatable. First we would need to establish how many people are those "too many people" you cite. And second, you could certainly bring a criteria about likelihood of violence. But the process has to be ongoing. That you were cleared out 5 years ago should be no indication of your current condition.
Those "too many people" would be the majority of people with mental health issues, this is all assuming though regulations on ownership were based purely on just having any type of mental health issue.
When mass shooters strike, speculations about their mental health—sometimes borne out, sometimes not—are never far behind. It seems intuitive that someone who could do something terrible must be, in some sense, insane. But is that actually true? Are gun violence and mental illness really so tightly intertwined?
Jeffrey Swanson, a medical sociologist and professor of psychiatry at Duke University, first became interested in the perceived intersection of violence and mental illness while working at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston in the mid-eighties. It was his first job out of graduate school, and he had been asked to estimate how many people in Texas met the criteria for needing mental-health services. As he pored over different data sets, he sensed that there could be some connection between mental health and violence. But he also realized that there was no good statewide data on the connection. “Nobody knew anything about the real connection between violent behavior and psychiatric disorders,” he told me. And so he decided to spend his career in pursuit of that link.
In general, we seem to believe that violent behavior is connected to mental illness. And if the behavior is sensationally violent—as in mass shootings—the perpetrator must certainly have been sick. As recently as 2013, almost forty-six per cent of respondents to a national survey said (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1300512) that people with mental illness were more dangerous than other people. According to two recent Gallup polls (http://www.gallup.com/poll/164507/americans-fault-mental-health-system-gun-violence.aspx), from 2011 and 2013, more people believe that mass shootings result from a failure of the mental-health system than from easy access to guns. Eighty per cent of the population believes that mental illness is at least partially to blame for such incidents.
That belief has shaped our politics. The 1968 Gun Control Act prohibited anyone who had ever been committed to a mental hospital or had been “adjudicated as a mental defective” from purchasing firearms. That prohibition was reaffirmed, in 1993, by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. It has only become more strictly enforced in the intervening years, with the passing of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System Improvement Act, in 2008, as well as by statewide initiatives. In 2013, New York passed the Safe Act, which mandated that mental-health professionals file reports on patients “likely to engage in conduct that would result in harm to self or others”; those patients, who now number more than thirty-four thousand (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/nyregion/mental-reports-put-34500-on-new-yorks-no-guns-list.html), have had their guns seized and have been prevented from buying new ones.
Are those policies based on sound science? To understand that question, one has to start with the complexities of the term “mental illness.” The technical definition includes any condition that appears in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, but the D.S.M. has changed with the culture (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-d-s-m-and-the-nature-of-disease); until the nineteen-eighties, homosexuality was listed in some form in the manual. Diagnostic criteria, too, may vary from state to state, hospital to hospital, and doctor to doctor. A diagnosis may change over time, too. Someone can be ill and then, later, be given a clean bill of health: mental illness is, in many cases, not a lifelong diagnosis, especially if it is being medicated. Conversely, someone may be ill but never diagnosed. What happens if the act of violence is the first diagnosable act? Any policy based on mental illness would have failed to prevent it.
When Swanson first analyzed (http://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/ps.41.7.761) the ostensible connection between violence and mental illness, looking at more than ten thousand individuals (both mentally ill and healthy) during the course of one year, he found that serious mental illness alone was a risk factor for violence—from minor incidents, like shoving, to armed assault—in only four per cent of cases. That is, if you took all of the incidents of violence reported among the people in the survey, mental illness alone could explain only four per cent of the incidents. When Swanson broke the samples down by demographics, he found that the occurrence of violence was more closely associated with whether someone was male, poor, and abusing either alcohol or drugs—and that those three factors alone could predict violent behavior with or without any sign of mental illness. If someone fit all three of those categories, the likelihood of them committing a violent act was high, even if they weren’t also mentally ill. If someone fit none, then mental illness was highly unlikely to be predictive of violence. “That study debunked two myths,” Swanson said. “One: people with mental illness are all dangerous. Well, the vast majority are not. And the other myth: that there’s no connection at all. There is one. It’s quite small, but it’s not completely nonexistent.”
In 2002 (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.92.9.1523), Swanson repeated his study over the course of the year, tracking eight hundred people in four states who were being treated for either psychosis or a major mood disorder (the most severe forms of mental illness). The number who committed a violent act that year, he found, was thirteen per cent. But the likelihood was dependent on whether they were unemployed, poor, living in disadvantaged communities, using drugs or alcohol, and had suffered from “violent victimization” during a part of their lives. The association was a cumulative one: take away all of these factors and the risk fell to two per cent, which is the same risk as found in the general population. Add one, and the risk remained low. Add two, and the risk doubled, at the least. Add three, and the risk of violence rose to thirty per cent.
Other people have since taken up Swanson’s work. A subsequent study (http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=203874) of over a thousand discharged psychiatric inpatients, known as the MacArthur Violence Risk Assessment Study, found that, a year after their release, patients were only more likely than the average person to be violent if they were also abusing alcohol or drugs. Absent substance abuse, they were no more likely to act violently than were a set of randomly selected neighbors. Two years ago, an analysis (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00127-011-0356-x) of the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (which contained data on more than thirty-two thousand individuals) found that just under three per cent of people suffering from severe mental illness had acted violently in the last year, as compared to just under one per cent of the general population. Those who also abused alcohol or drugs were at an elevated, ten-per-cent risk.
Internationally (http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=497588), too (http://www.scopus.com/record/display.url?eid=2-s2.0-0030993773&origin=inward&txGid=6265AA4A8EFD21FEDEFA9F4BF133E7E4.aXczxbyuHHi XgaIW6Ho7g%3a5), these results have held (http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/172/6/477), revealing a steady but low link between mental illness and violence, which often coincides with other factors. The same general pattern also emerges if you work backward from incidents of gun violence. Taking a non-random sample (http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567(09)60477-9/abstract) of twenty-seven mass murders that took place between 1958 and 1999, J. Reid Meloy, a psychiatrist at the University of California, San Diego, found that the perpetrators, all of whom were adolescent men, were likely to be loners as well as to abuse drugs or alcohol. Close to half had been bullied in the past, and close to half had a history of violence. Twenty-three per cent also had a history of mental illness, but only two of them were exhibiting psychotic symptoms at the time of the violence. When you accounted for the other factors, mental illness added little predictive value. Swanson’s own meta-analysis of the existing data (http://www.annalsofepidemiology.org/article/S1047-2797(14)00147-1/abstract), on the links between violence and mental health, which is due out later this year, shows the same basic formula playing out in study after study: mental-health problems do increase the likelihood of violence, but only by a very small amount.
Psychiatrists also have a very hard time predicting which of their patients will go on to commit a violent act. In one study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8429581), the University of Pittsburgh psychiatrist Charles Lidz and his colleagues had doctors at a psychiatric emergency department evaluate admitted patients and predict whether or not they would commit violence against others. They found that, over the next six months, fifty-three per cent of those patients who doctors predicted would commit a violent act actually did. Thirty-six per cent of the patients thought not to be violent in fact went on to commit a violent act. For female patients, the prediction rates were no better than chance. A 2012 meta-analysis (http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e4692) of data from close to twenty-five thousand participants, from thirteen countries, led by the Oxford University psychiatrist Seena Fazel, found that the nine assessment tools most commonly used to predict violence—from actuarial ones like the Psychopathy Checklist to clinical judgment tools like the Structured Assessment of Violence Risk in Youth—had only “low to moderate” predictive value.
There is one exception, however, that runs through all of the data: violence against oneself. Mental illness, Swanson has found, increases the risk of gun violence when that violence takes the form of suicide. According (http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/suppl_2/ii22) to the C.D.C., between twenty-one and forty-four per cent of those who commit suicide had previously exhibited mental-health problems—as indicated by a combination of family interviews and evidence of mental-health treatment found at the scene, such as psychiatric medications—while between sixteen and thirty-three per cent had a history of psychiatric treatment. As Swanson points out, many studies have shown an even higher risk of suicide among the mentally ill, up to ten to twenty times higher than the general population for bipolar disorder and depression, and thirteen times higher for schizophrenia-spectrum disorders.
When it comes to the other types of firearms fatalities, though, it seems fairly clear that the link is quite small and far from predictive. After an incident like Sandy Hook (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning) or Virginia Tech, policymakers often strive to improve gun control for the future—and those efforts often focus on mental health and the reporting of prior records, as in the case of Connecticut. But if you look at people like Jaylen Fryberg, Mason Campbell (http://www.koat.com/news/roswell-school-shooter-mason-campbell-to-be-sentenced-wednesday/26756706), or Karl Pierson (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26726850/mark-pierson-speaks-about-son-karl-and-shooting), you see no formal diagnosis of mental illness, and often, no actual signs of instability, either. Even when there are signs, as in Pierson’s case, they often remain undiagnosed: Pierson was sent home from a mental-health evaluation with a clean bill of health. We’ll never know whether counselling could have helped Fryberg. Perhaps it could have. But policymakers should also be focussing on other metrics that may have far more to do with such events than mental illness ever has.
In all of his work, Swanson has found one recurring factor: past violence remains the single biggest predictor of future violence. “Any history of violent behavior is a much stronger predictor of future violence than mental-health diagnosis,” he told me. If Swanson had his way, gun prohibitions wouldn’t be based on mental health, but on records of violent behavior—not just felonies, but also including minor disputes. “There are lots of people out there carrying guns around who have high levels of trait anger—the type who smash and break things,” he said. “I believe they shouldn’t have guns. That’s what’s behind the idea of restricting firearms with people with misdemeanor violent-crime convictions or temporary domestic-violence restraining orders, or even multiple D.U.I.s.”
“We need to get upstream and try to prevent the unpredicted: how to have healthier, less violent communities in the first place,” Swanson said. Mental illness is easy to blame, easy to pinpoint, and easy to legislate against in regards to gun ownership. But that doesn’t mean that it is the right place to start in an attempt to curtail violence. The factors responsible for mass violence are messy, complex, and dynamic—and that is a far harder sell to legislators and voters alike. As Swanson put it, “People with mental illness are still people, and people aren’t all one thing or another.”
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 04:56 PM
TL;DR
In all of his work, Swanson has found one recurring factor: past violence remains the single biggest predictor of future violence. “Any history of violent behavior is a much stronger predictor of future violence than mental-health diagnosis,” he told me. If Swanson had his way, gun prohibitions wouldn’t be based on mental health, but on records of violent behavior—not just felonies, but also including minor disputes.
boutons_deux
08-27-2015, 05:01 PM
which recent mass gun murderers had histories of violence, with or without guns?
average gun homicides PER DAY in USA: 30.
In the typical US day, this TV crew was nothing special, just amplified by the TV and social media. What about the other 28 gunned dead that day? no social media amplification?
Clipper Nation
08-27-2015, 05:08 PM
which recent mass gun murderers had histories of violence, with or without guns?
average gun homicides PER DAY in USA: 30.
In the typical US day, this TV crew was nothing special, just amplified by the TV and social media. What about the other 28 gunned dead that day? no social media amplification?
Good point. Let's talk about the police officer who got killed in Louisiana:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/louisiana-officer-shot/index.html
Warrior criminals are out of control. #PoliceLivesMatter
which recent mass gun murderers had histories of violence, with or without guns?
average gun homicides PER DAY in USA: 30.
In the typical US day, this TV crew was nothing special, just amplified by the TV and social media. What about the other 28 gunned dead that day? no social media amplification?
predominantly the work of minorities too
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 05:16 PM
which recent mass gun murderers had histories of violence, with or without guns?
average gun homicides PER DAY in USA: 30.
In the typical US day, this TV crew was nothing special, just amplified by the TV and social media. What about the other 28 gunned dead that day? no social media amplification?
Chicago putting in work
http://heyjackass.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2015_shot_clock.png
ElNono
08-27-2015, 05:30 PM
TL;DR
In all of his work, Swanson has found one recurring factor: past violence remains the single biggest predictor of future violence. “Any history of violent behavior is a much stronger predictor of future violence than mental-health diagnosis,” he told me. If Swanson had his way, gun prohibitions wouldn’t be based on mental health, but on records of violent behavior—not just felonies, but also including minor disputes.
Look, according to the story that you linked, NY has 34,500 people in the no-gun list for mental health conditions. Now, their population is almost 20 million people. That's 0.0017%, give or take. I don't think that's "too many people".
And, if some of those people get the all clear by a professional, they should be able to regain that right. This has to be an ongoing process, it can't be that if you were denied once, you're out forever. Similarly, if you're in, it doesn't mean you can't be out at some point in the future if your mental health deteriorates.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 05:51 PM
Look, according to the story that you linked, NY has 34,500 people in the no-gun list for mental health conditions. Now, their population is almost 20 million people. That's 0.0017%, give or take. I don't think that's "too many people".
And, if some of those people get the all clear by a professional, they should be able to regain that right. This has to be an ongoing process, it can't be that if you were denied once, you're out forever. Similarly, if you're in, it doesn't mean you can't be out at some point in the future if your mental health deteriorates.
My "too many people" isn't based on the total population. I'm talking about the too many people that are put on the no-gun list that will never commit an act of violence. And I'm not sure of what gets you on the no-gun list in New York but if you apply the studies numbers to the 34,500 not many of them will even commit an act of violence. Having a mental health condition has not been proven to lead to enough acts of violence to say that having one means you aren't fit to own a gun.
In 2013, New York passed the Safe Act, which mandated that mental-health professionals file reports on patients “likely to engage in conduct that would result in harm to self or others”; those patients, who now number more than thirty-four thousand (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/nyregion/mental-reports-put-34500-on-new-yorks-no-guns-list.html), have had their guns seized and have been prevented from buying new ones.
Are those policies based on sound science? To understand that question, one has to start with the complexities of the term “mental illness.” The technical definition includes any condition that appears in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, but the D.S.M. has changed with the culture (http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-d-s-m-and-the-nature-of-disease); until the nineteen-eighties, homosexuality was listed in some form in the manual. Diagnostic criteria, too, may vary from state to state, hospital to hospital, and doctor to doctor. A diagnosis may change over time, too. Someone can be ill and then, later, be given a clean bill of health: mental illness is, in many cases, not a lifelong diagnosis, especially if it is being medicated. Conversely, someone may be ill but never diagnosed. What happens if the act of violence is the first diagnosable act? Any policy based on mental illness would have failed to prevent it.
When Swanson first analyzed (http://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/ps.41.7.761) the ostensible connection between violence and mental illness, looking at more than ten thousand individuals (both mentally ill and healthy) during the course of one year, he found that serious mental illness alone was a risk factor for violence—from minor incidents, like shoving, to armed assault—in only four per cent of cases. That is, if you took all of the incidents of violence reported among the people in the survey, mental illness alone could explain only four per cent of the incidents. When Swanson broke the samples down by demographics, he found that the occurrence of violence was more closely associated with whether someone was male, poor, and abusing either alcohol or drugs—and that those three factors alone could predict violent behavior with or without any sign of mental illness. If someone fit all three of those categories, the likelihood of them committing a violent act was high, even if they weren’t also mentally ill. If someone fit none, then mental illness was highly unlikely to be predictive of violence. “That study debunked two myths,” Swanson said. “One: people with mental illness are all dangerous. Well, the vast majority are not. And the other myth: that there’s no connection at all. There is one. It’s quite small, but it’s not completely nonexistent.”
I'm heading out of the office so if you have the time or interest and could post it I'd be curious to see what the SAFE Act mental health standards are.
I think these no-gun lists are a step in the right direction but not with the broad brush of mental health disorder=no gun. Also has no effect on gang violence and gun deaths either but that is a whole other topic.
ElNono
08-27-2015, 06:16 PM
My "too many people" isn't based on the total population. I'm talking about the too many people that are put on the no-gun list that will never commit an act of violence. And I'm not sure of what gets you on the no-gun list in New York but if you apply the studies numbers to the 34,500 not many of them will even commit an act of violence. Having a mental health condition has not been proven to lead to enough acts of violence to say that having one means you aren't fit to own a gun.
...
I'm heading out of the office so if you have the time or interest and could post it I'd be curious to see what the SAFE Act mental health standards are.
I think these no-gun lists are a step in the right direction but not with the broad brush of mental health disorder=no gun. Also has no effect on gang violence and gun deaths either but that is a whole other topic.
It's impossible to know with exactitude, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be attempts to tackle the issue. If your concern is that certain people might be incorrectly included, then let's make sure there's a relatively simple way to challenge the inclusion.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 06:33 PM
It's impossible to know with exactitude, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be attempts to tackle the issue. If your concern is that certain people might be incorrectly included, then let's make sure there's a relatively simple way to challenge the inclusion.
I'm all for trying to tackle the issue as long as it's not with a broad stroke of the mental health brush. People like boutons should be able to legally own a firearm.
CosmicCowboy
08-27-2015, 06:55 PM
I'm all for trying to tackle the issue as long as it's not with a broad stroke of the mental health brush. People like boutons should be able to legally own a firearm.
:lmao
I see what you did there.
ElNono
08-27-2015, 07:16 PM
I'm all for trying to tackle the issue as long as it's not with a broad stroke of the mental health brush. People like boutons should be able to legally own a firearm.
Whatever we're doing right now is clearly not working. There's no easy solution, it needs to be addressed, and I think we can do more than what we're doing now.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 07:23 PM
Whatever we're doing right now is clearly not working. There's no easy solution, it needs to be addressed, and I think we can do more than what we're doing now.
It's not working because nothing is being done to address the real causes of gun violence which are poor education and poverty. "mental health" shooters are a drop in the bucket.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 07:25 PM
:lmao
I see what you did there.
I was joking but it's probably true. If he lived in NY and someone were to go to police with boutons posting history I bet he'd be put on the no-gun list.
CosmicCowboy
08-27-2015, 07:39 PM
I was joking but it's probably true. If he lived in NY and someone were to go to police with boutons posting history I bet he'd be put on the no-gun list.
This thread is perfect proof that he is aggressively looney tunes.
Like I said, if he ever shows up for a GTG I'm making sure he isn't packing or wearing a suicide vest before he gets in.
ElNono
08-27-2015, 07:42 PM
It's not working because nothing is being done to address the real causes of gun violence which are poor education and poverty. "mental health" shooters are a drop in the bucket.
I'm referring to mental health cases. How many there are is immaterial, the cost is actual innocent lives. Sometimes their own life. These are sick people.
There's no doubt a schizophrenic shouldn't be able to obtain a gun by any legal means, regardless if somebody feels he might not be dangerous to others or himself. I'm not sure such a person couldn't legally obtain one now.
mingus
08-27-2015, 07:55 PM
TL;DR
In all of his work, Swanson has found one recurring factor: past violence remains the single biggest predictor of future violence. “Any history of violent behavior is a much stronger predictor of future violence than mental-health diagnosis,” he told me. If Swanson had his way, gun prohibitions wouldn’t be based on mental health, but on records of violent behavior—not just felonies, but also including minor disputes.
I think laws should definitely concentrate and regulate on people with histories, diagnosed psychopaths and severe anger issues and psychosis.
I think we can eliminate depression. Chances are people with it who are violent or have capacity to be violent toward other people have comorbidity that causes violence like the conditions I mentioned. The laws have to be careful to not paint with broad strokes. Of course, people with depression have higher chance of offing themselves with a gun, but I don't think gun laws should regulate that type of violence, only toward other people.
Blizzardwizard
08-27-2015, 08:02 PM
It's not working because nothing is being done to address the real causes of gun violence which are poor education and poverty. "mental health" shooters are a drop in the bucket.
Hmmm..
No doubt you'll rebuff me with the usual 'faggotwizard' response, but I'm genuinely interested, do you really think that increasing educational standards would reduce gun crime? There are plenty of relatively intelligent white middle class folk that commit gun crimes, not just deranged homeless types. And as for poverty, the politicians who usually vouch for the 2nd amendment and guns are usually the ones tagged as being inequality creators and the sources of said poverty. Which massively pro gun politicians on the conservative side are known for discussing the inequality problem?
boutons_deux
08-27-2015, 08:27 PM
" the real causes of gun violence which are poor education and poverty."
... which are rampart among gun fellators, including gun education and gun security, counting all the accidentally shot and/or dead gun owners, wives, friends, children, babies.
TeyshaBlue
08-27-2015, 08:32 PM
Hmmm..
No doubt you'll rebuff me with the usual 'faggotwizard' response, but I'm genuinely interested, do you really think that increasing educational standards would reduce gun crime? There are plenty of relatively intelligent white middle class folk that commit gun crimes, not just deranged homeless types. And as for poverty, the politicians who usually vouch for the 2nd amendment and guns are usually the ones tagged as being inequality creators and the sources of said poverty. Which massively pro gun politicians on the conservative side are known for discussing the inequality problem?
I think there is a holistic angle with this approach. Yeah, there are some bright folks killing others but the lion's share of this problem seems to be concentrated in the lower socio-economic segment. Improving education is one factor that can help reduce the poverty factors but it's not a panacea.
Clipper Nation
08-27-2015, 08:51 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QaiJzI6.jpg
:lmao HuffPo
CosmicCowboy
08-27-2015, 08:54 PM
There have been evil people as long as there have been humans. Tools have gotten better is the only difference. 100 years from now bad people will be chopping other people in half with personal pocket lasers or Vulcan death grips.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 09:12 PM
I'm referring to mental health cases. How many there are is immaterial, the cost is actual innocent lives. Sometimes their own life. These are sick people.
There's no doubt a schizophrenic shouldn't be able to obtain a gun by any legal means, regardless if somebody feels he might not be dangerous to others or himself. I'm not sure such a person couldn't legally obtain one now.
I know I got off track with overall gun violence. Of course schizos shouldn't own guns, but those aren't 34,500 schizos in NY either.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 09:20 PM
Hmmm..
No doubt you'll rebuff me with the usual 'faggotwizard' response, but I'm genuinely interested, do you really think that increasing educational standards would reduce gun crime? There are plenty of relatively intelligent white middle class folk that commit gun crimes, not just deranged homeless types. And as for poverty, the politicians who usually vouch for the 2nd amendment and guns are usually the ones tagged as being inequality creators and the sources of said poverty. Which massively pro gun politicians on the conservative side are known for discussing the inequality problem?not just educational standards but also educational opportunities. And no, the middle white class folk you speak of are not committing the majority of the gun violence. That belongs to those in poverty with any color of skin. you can't put the inequality all on conservatives either, many if not most of the nations most violent and dangerous cities are run and have been run by democrats. Dems repubs no different in my eyes.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 09:22 PM
" the real causes of gun violence which are poor education and poverty."
... which are rampart among gun fellators, including gun education and gun security, counting all the accidentally shot and/or dead gun owners, wives, friends, children, babies.
With the 300 million plus guns in circulation you'd expect more accidental deaths.
TheSanityAnnex
08-27-2015, 09:23 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QaiJzI6.jpg
:lmao HuffPo
:lol this is up there with the hypocritical salon tweets
HI-FI
08-27-2015, 11:54 PM
http://i.imgur.com/QaiJzI6.jpg
:lmao HuffPo
:rollin
belongs in the LibCuck hypocrisy thread
ElNono
08-28-2015, 01:05 AM
I know I got off track with overall gun violence. Of course schizos shouldn't own guns, but those aren't 34,500 schizos in NY either.
Well, true, but we could start by at least making sure schizos don't have means to lawfully obtain a gun, and go from there. We're not even there yet.
Blizzardwizard
08-28-2015, 04:40 AM
not just educational standards but also educational opportunities. And no, the middle white class folk you speak of are not committing the majority of the gun violence. That belongs to those in poverty with any color of skin. you can't put the inequality all on conservatives either, many if not most of the nations most violent and dangerous cities are run and have been run by democrats. Dems repubs no different in my eyes.
I never said it was a majority, just a factor that you can't ignore..
boutons_deux
08-28-2015, 05:41 AM
There have been evil people as long as there have been humans. Tools have gotten better is the only difference. 100 years from now bad people will be chopping other people in half with personal pocket lasers or Vulcan death grips.
so you shrug, accept status quo of gun-crazy America gun-murdering at a much higher rate than any other industrial country? Gun craziness and gun violence in other industrial countries simply aren't the norm. America is a much more violent country, gun craziness and perverted 2nd Amendment gun fellators are a shit-stain on American civilization. The gun culture, and 300M+ guns inUSA, have convinced Ms of people the shooting someone, so damn easy, is how to resolve problems.
And chances are getting better than they won't catch a murderer
http://media2.scrippsnationalnews.com/photo/2015/01/16/HomicideSolved_1421441631617_12512190_ver1.0_640_4 80.png
:rollin
belongs in the LibCuck hypocrisy thread
This guy may have been a racist but he didn't have anything to do with #BLM. Roof was clearly a confederate loving racist lunatic.
Spurminator
08-28-2015, 08:28 AM
http://i.imgur.com/QaiJzI6.jpg
:lmao HuffPo
Is this funny because Dylann Roof wasn't a racist, or because the BlackLivesMatter movement actually does call for the random murder of white civilians?
tlongII
08-28-2015, 10:22 AM
so you shrug, accept status quo of gun-crazy America gun-murdering at a much higher rate than any other industrial country? Gun craziness and gun violence in other industrial countries simply aren't the norm. America is a much more violent country, gun craziness and perverted 2nd Amendment gun fellators are a shit-stain on American civilization. The gun culture, and 300M+ guns inUSA, have convinced Ms of people the shooting someone, so damn easy, is how to resolve problems.
And chances are getting better than they won't catch a murderer
http://media2.scrippsnationalnews.com/photo/2015/01/16/HomicideSolved_1421441631617_12512190_ver1.0_640_4 80.png
Personally I like that Americans have relatively easy access to guns, but that's just me.
Clipper Nation
08-28-2015, 12:41 PM
This is the type of "racism" that Boutons and other SJWs think is worthy of the death sentence:
Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ for six years, said that the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely set Flanagan off.
“We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, cotton fields? That’s racist,’ ” Fair recounted.
“We’d be like, ‘What?’ We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”
“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair said. “Management’s worst nightmare.”
Flanagan assumed everything was a jab at his race, (http://nypost.com/2015/08/26/on-air-killer-wanted-race-war-after-charleston-massacre/) even when a manager brought in watermelon for all employees.
“Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’ ”
Flanagan even declared that 7-Eleven was racist because it sold watermelon-flavored Slurpees.
“It’s not a coincidence, they’re racist,” he allegedly told Fair.
http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/reporters-everyday-comments-deemed-racist-by-on-air-killer/
TheSanityAnnex
08-28-2015, 12:57 PM
I never said it was a majority, just a factor that you can't ignore..
Define "plenty" of intelligent middle class white murderers then
RandomGuy
08-28-2015, 01:13 PM
Are you sure this time?
:lmao
DarrinS
08-29-2015, 08:52 AM
Here are the remarks that Flanagan deemed racist
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213821/The-inoffensive-everyday-phrases-used-anchor-Alison-Parker-earned-death-sentence-Flanagan-deemed-racist.html
Unbelievable
boutons_deux
08-30-2015, 06:00 AM
nypost and daily mail are Murdoch right wing racist toilet papers whose articles are written to inflame racism, nativism, and you racists.
the shooter was obviously mentally ill, but for you racists ejaculating over another black murderer, he was above all black.
Clipper Nation
08-30-2015, 08:39 AM
nypost and daily mail are Murdoch right wing racist toilet papers whose articles are written to inflame racism, nativism, and you racists.
Says the libcuck who spends all day spamming links to HuffPo, Salon, DailyKos, and Soros-funded rags like Alternet and ThinkProgress. Still no proof whatsoever from you that he ever faced actual racism.
TeyshaBlue
08-30-2015, 08:52 AM
:lol boutons. Baking hypocrisy into rock hard stupid.
Th'Pusher
08-30-2015, 08:57 AM
Still no proof whatsoever from you that he ever faced actual racism.
:lol actual racism. He perceived it as racism and acted on it. The guy was mad.
What at difference does it make if it was actual racism?
Clipper Nation
08-30-2015, 10:00 AM
:lol actual racism. He perceived it as racism and acted on it. The guy was mad.
What at difference does it make if it was actual racism?
Boutons has been making excuses for the shooter since it happened because "people were racist to him, guys! :cry"
Even if there was actual racism involved, there's no justifying what Flanagan did, but I wouldn't even be bringing it up if not for Boutons' faggotry.
pgardn
08-30-2015, 10:10 AM
I never watch that crap, but I'll point out it was a spic who did it
Yet another case of black on white violence, this is going to stop
whites never learn, especially not Confederate whites
This started the race stuff.
This seems to be more about how easy it is to kill people with guns and, how to keep guns away from crazy people.
Crazy is the operative term, not race.
boutons_deux
08-30-2015, 10:36 AM
Boutons has been making excuses for the shooter since it happened because "people were racist to him, guys! :cry"
You FUCKING Lie
where are my excuses? the guy was mentally ill, stressed out, then add in black(racism), add in gay(homphobia), and all the weekly stories about unarmed blacks shot and murdered since Ferguson.
CN's own racism DENIES that racism was not involved. iow, CN and similar ilk deny blacks playing the racism card, a denial which is fundamentally racist. You whites NEVER learn.
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 10:41 AM
You FUCKING Lie
where are my excuses? the guy was mentally ill, stressed out, then add in black(racism), add in gay(homphobia), and all the weekly stories about unarmed blacks shot and murdered since Ferguson.
CN's own racism DENIES that racism was not involved. iow, CN and similar ilk deny blacks playing the racism card, a denial which is fundamentally racist. You whites NEVER learn.
Suck start a shotgun
pgardn
08-30-2015, 10:43 AM
Ok then.
Carryon with the race baiting and insults...
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 10:49 AM
Has Obama spoken on this yet?
ChumpDumper
08-30-2015, 11:06 AM
Has Obama spoken on this yet?Are you somehow unable to find out yourself?
Probably has to be one of the easier internet searches one could make tbh.
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 11:18 AM
Are you somehow unable to find out yourself?
Probably has to be one of the easier internet searches one could make tbh.ironic coming from you. And no I hadn't searched it.
ChumpDumper
08-30-2015, 11:22 AM
ironic coming from you. And no I hadn't searched it.Are you going to search for it or are you just not really interested in knowing?
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 11:26 AM
Are you going to search for it or are you just not really interested in knowing?
Was wondering if he called it a hate crime. Didn't see that anywhere.
ChumpDumper
08-30-2015, 11:27 AM
Was wondering if he called it a hate crime. Didn't see that anywhere.Oh, you were wondering.
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 11:30 AM
Oh, you were wondering.
Yes I do that every so often. Did he label it a hate crime?
ChumpDumper
08-30-2015, 11:40 AM
Yes I do that every so often. Did he label it a hate crime?This seems really important to you. I'm surprised you have made zero effort to find out for yourself.
But not really.
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 11:45 AM
This seems really important to you. I'm surprised you have made zero effort to find out for yourself.
But not really.
All I've found is Obama saying it heart breaking and Earnest saying new gun laws wouldn't have stopped it. Did Obama call it a hate crime?
boutons_deux
08-30-2015, 11:49 AM
All I've found is Obama saying it heart breaking and Earnest saying new gun laws wouldn't have stopped it. Did Obama call it a hate crime?
gun laws have to be Federal, not state or municipal.
Anyway, gun fellators can rest easy. 300M+ guns already polluting America, with Ms more to come. Guns are all about NRA/GOA marketing for gun industry profits.
2nd Amendment? :lol
Freedom? :lol
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 11:53 AM
gun laws have to be Federal, not state or municipal.
Anyway, gun fellators can rest easy. 300M+ guns already polluting America, with Ms more to come. Guns are all about NRA/GOA marketing the gun industry profits.
2nd Amendment? :lol
Freedom? :lol
You failed to answer the question too. Did Obama call it a hate crime?
What gun law, federal state or municipal would have stopped the shooting?
unleashbaynes
08-30-2015, 12:25 PM
Within the first few responses this turned into a race argument. Fuck all of you.
unleashbaynes
08-30-2015, 12:26 PM
You failed to answer the question too. Did Obama call it a hate crime?
What gun law, federal state or municipal would have stopped the shooting?
A law that says you can't sell a gun to a crazy fucker?
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 12:59 PM
extremely interested in the skin and motivation of the shooter(s)
How'd that work out for you
TheSanityAnnex
08-30-2015, 01:07 PM
"At Flanagan’s house in Roanoke, (http://nypost.com/2015/08/27/an-inside-look-at-the-on-air-killers-bleak-apartment/) cops found evidence that he was a self-absorbed slob who indulged in gay porn in his spartan living space.
They found unwashed sex toys, cat feces and several pictures of himself on his refrigerator"
:lol
spurraider21
08-30-2015, 04:43 PM
This started the race stuff.
This seems to be more about how easy it is to kill people with guns and, how to keep guns away from crazy people.
Crazy is the operative term, not race.
sure. when its a black on white shooting, its JUST about gun control
when its white on black, its about how racism is a greater problem that needs to be addressed #blacklivesmatter
Clipper Nation
08-30-2015, 04:57 PM
You FUCKING Lie
where are my excuses? the guy was mentally ill, stressed out, then add in black(racism), add in gay(homphobia), and all the weekly stories about unarmed blacks shot and murdered since Ferguson.
CN's own racism DENIES that racism was not involved. iow, CN and similar ilk deny blacks playing the racism card, a denial which is fundamentally racist. You whites NEVER learn.
So where's the proof that he faced any actual racism, or homophobia for that matter?
ChumpDumper
08-30-2015, 09:26 PM
All I've found is Obama saying it heart breaking and Earnest saying new gun laws wouldn't have stopped it. Did Obama call it a hate crime?I haven't done a search, but it's not as important to me as you say it is to you.
Do you call it a hate crime?
Nothing to see here just the two victims reporting on an active shooter drill just weeks before the actual shooting
http://youtu.be/Tu_vzmdQh1Q
ChumpDumper
08-30-2015, 11:21 PM
Nothing to see here just the two victims reporting on an active shooter drill just weeks before the actual shooting
http://youtu.be/Tu_vzmdQh1QSo what does that mean to you?
You really need to flesh out this conspiracy theory of yours.
I don't need to do anything on the orders of a leftist shill
It was a coincidence. Reporters report on things of that nature all the time. This is America.
Also a coincidence that the same lady got interviewed at both sandy hook and the Boston bombing? Wake uP
ChumpDumper
08-31-2015, 12:45 AM
I don't need to do anything on the orders of a leftist shillWhy wouldn't you want to flesh out your entire conspiracy theory?
You actively want to look like a loon?
boutons_deux
08-31-2015, 05:04 AM
So where's the proof that he faced any actual racism, or homophobia for that matter?
Listening to blacks and LGBT, I hear there's lots of discrimination, persecution, harassment, marginalization. Where's your proof that this guy EXCEPTIONALLY experienced none of it?
TeyshaBlue
08-31-2015, 07:42 AM
:cry. I said something stupid again. Please prove me right! :cry
He didnt make the claim, you did fucknut. Put up or shut up.
Clipper Nation
08-31-2015, 07:54 AM
Listening to blacks and LGBT, I hear there's lots of discrimination, persecution, harassment, marginalization. Where's your proof that this guy EXCEPTIONALLY experienced none of it?
You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. Where's the proof that he faced any actual racism or homophobia?
boutons_deux
08-31-2015, 08:14 AM
You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. Where's the proof that he faced any actual racism or homophobia?
You Lie. In the context of his obvious emotional problems, the shooter made the claim.
In the context of widely reported discrimination, persecution, harassment, marginalization by LGBT, blacks, browns, white women, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
Clipper Nation
08-31-2015, 09:33 AM
You Lie. In the context of his obvious emotional problems, the shooter made the claim.
In the context of widely reported discrimination, persecution, harassment, marginalization by LGBT, blacks, browns, white women, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
In the context of his history of failed EEOC complaints, failed discrimination suits, twisting the most innocuous comments into racism and an excuse to get offended, and being fucked-up enough to shoot two people on live TV, the shooter's word isn't worth jack shit.
It's obvious that you have no reliable proof from a trustworthy source that he faced any actual racism or homophobia.
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