SI's Top 100 players 2015-16

[SPURt]

This is only the 100-51 spots, the rest should be on the way soon. Only Tony made it so far (one spot ahead of Kobe):
http://www.si.com/nba/top-100-nba-players-2016

[T_L_P]

Hill is honestly twice the player Parker is now.

Disrespectful...

[apalisoc_9]

Terrible list...

Some Hilarious opinions..

[SASdynasty!]

"Bbbbbuttttt Porker isn't even a top-300 player in the league! I finded an advanceded stat dat say so!" -Da Krew

[SASdynasty!]

Hill is honestly twice the player Parker is now.

Disrespectful...
Lol, what a clown. You've tried for years to prop up Duncan on NBA Forum. Get over it already. Duncan is top 5. You don't have to act like Parker is some mediocre player.

[SPURt]

Here's the "snubs" list. It includes Manu and David West alongside the likes of Rondo and Lance... Yikes:

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/08/31/rajon-rondo-victor-oladipo-manu-ginobili-jr-smith-top-100-snubs (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/08/31/rajon-rondo-victor-oladipo-manu-ginobili-jr-smith-top-100-snubs)

[spurraider21]

their description of parker...

"Clever though Parker may be, players of his type—driving point guards reliant on their quickness—don’t tend to age gracefully. That reality makes his decline in back-to-back seasons as explicable as it is worrisome. We’ve seen Parker neutralized by age and nagging injury to the point of postseason irrelevance. While it’s very much possible a sore Achilles was largely to blame for Parker’s latest sputter, the broader trends in his performance are nevertheless discouraging. Were Parker on another team that didn’t so expertly disguise his limitations, his current reputation could be quite different."

[SASdynasty!]

their description of parker...

"Clever though Parker may be, players of his type—driving point guards reliant on their quickness—don’t tend to age gracefully. That reality makes his decline in back-to-back seasons as explicable as it is worrisome. We’ve seen Parker neutralized by age and nagging injury to the point of postseason irrelevance. While it’s very much possible a sore Achilles was largely to blame for Parker’s latest sputter, the broader trends in his performance are nevertheless discouraging. Were Parker on another team that didn’t so expertly disguise his limitations, his current reputation could be quite different."
Lol, an injured Parker that was out half the year and injured in the playoffs is still a top 50ish player in the league going into next season. And last season he was top 15. According to da Krew he was top 100 last year and top 300 this year. Good calls guys.

[apalisoc_9]

Best description of Tony Parker by the media ever.

Yet this POS thinks he's some sort of star still..

Injury to Parker!

A top 500 player thinking he deserves more than 10 shots a game? wow..

Injury to Parker!

[spurraider21]

Terrible list...

Some Hilarious opinions..


Best description of Tony Parker by the media ever.
:lmao

[RD2191]

Best description of Tony Parker by the media ever.

Yet this POS thinks he's some sort of star still..

Injury to Parker!

A top 500 player thinking he deserves more than 10 shots a game? wow..

Injury to Parker!

[apalisoc_9]

Still a terrible list though.

Parker over the likes of Hill, Oladipo, Nikola?

:lmao

[SPURt]

Which one of you guys is Ben Golliver and which one of y'all is Rob Mahoney?

[Spurtacular]

Kobe at 54. Pierce at 71.

No. Kobe had a negative 14 offense/defense. The Truth was plus 8.

Kobe shot 37 percent. The Truth shot 45 percent.

And yet, Kobe jacking up 9 more shots per 36 minutes. Dude's a numbers whore that has no business being in the top 100 let alone ahead of Pierce.

[Spurtacular]

Terrible list...

Some Hilarious opinions..

I know, right? Ariza only at 65; and Beal only at 62? WTF!

[timtonymanu]

Hill is honestly twice the player Parker is now.

Disrespectful...

Truthbomb.

By the way :lol at Parkertard getting excited over an SI list that still thinks Kobe is a top 60 player

[timtonymanu]

"Bbbbbuttttt Porker isn't even a top-300 player in the league! I finded an advanceded stat dat say so!" -Da Krew

"Bbbutttt he led the team in PPG. I'm gonna ignore whatever other stats are out there." - SASdynasty!

[TheGreatYacht]

I know, right? Ariza only at 65; and Beal only at 62? WTF!
:lmao

[BD24]

I know, right? Ariza only at 65; and Beal only at 62? WTF!
:lol

[spurraider21]

I know, right? Ariza only at 65; and Beal only at 62? WTF!

[LittleCriminal]

Kobe at 54. Pierce at 71.

No. Kobe had a negative 14 offense/defense. The Truth was plus 8.

Kobe shot 37 percent. The Truth shot 45 percent.

And yet, Kobe jacking up 9 more shots per 36 minutes. Dude's a numbers whore that has no business being in the top 100 let alone ahead of Pierce.

"Bryant is now 37 and coming off three consecutive season-ending injuries that have limited him to 41 games total since April 2013. Father Time is blowing into his hands and walking towards the scorer’s table."

[FkLA]

This is exactly why trading Enrique makes a lot of sense. You just know there's some idiot in some front office that still thinks he's a useful player just like SI does. It's too bad Pop considers him and the Big 2 family and would never trade any of them.

[TheDoctor]

...You just know there's some idiot in some front office that still thinks he's a useful player just like SI does...

SI thinks he's useful? In this quote I don't think SI is stating that Enrique could be very useful.


Were Parker on another team that didn't so expertly disguise his limitations, his current reputation could be quite different.

In other words, if Tony were playing on another team he's likely to be a scrub.

[SpursIndonesia]

I know, right? Ariza only at 65; and Beal only at 62? WTF!

:hat

[YGWHI]

According to da Krew he was top 100 last year and top 300 this year. Good calls guys.
According Parker fans Parker's still a top 5 PG in the league, Kawhi is a role player...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252217&p=8179071#post8179071

I don't give a shit about what Parker's fans think, but you can't say they're better than other fans.

[TheGreatYacht]

According Parker fans Parker's still a top 5 PG in the league, Kawhi is a role player...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252217&p=8179071#post8179071

I don't give a shit about what Parker's fans think, but you can't say they're better than other fans.
No one gives a fuck what you think clown.

[ChumpDumper]

According Parker fans Parker's still a top 5 PG in the league, Kawhi is a role player...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252217&p=8179071#post8179071

I don't give a shit about what Parker's fans think, but you can't say they're better than other fans.Maybe we would give a shit if you used the screen name you had before this one.

[YGWHI]

No one gives a fuck what you think clown.
Says the guy who posted in 2015 Finals "Harrison Barnes is still better than Kawhi".
Keep trying Kawhi hater...


Maybe we would give a shit if you used the screen name you had before this one.
Keep trying ChumpDumb...

[look_at_g_shred]

Still a terrible list though.

Parker over the likes of Hill, Oladipo, Nikola?

:lmao
yep real hilarious..

[baseline bum]

LDN at #50. Looks like Duncan, LMAlpha, and Kawhi should be listed top 30, as they have only published 31-100 so far.

[DarrinS]

their description of parker...

"Clever though Parker may be, players of his type—driving point guards reliant on their quickness—don’t tend to age gracefully. That reality makes his decline in back-to-back seasons as explicable as it is worrisome. We’ve seen Parker neutralized by age and nagging injury to the point of postseason irrelevance. While it’s very much possible a sore Achilles was largely to blame for Parker’s latest sputter, the broader trends in his performance are nevertheless discouraging. Were Parker on another team that didn’t so expertly disguise his limitations, his current reputation could be quite different."

That's pretty accurate

[LittleCriminal]

their description of parker...

"Clever though Parker may be, players of his type—driving point guards reliant on their quickness—don’t tend to age gracefully. That reality makes his decline in back-to-back seasons as explicable as it is worrisome. We’ve seen Parker neutralized by age and nagging injury to the point of postseason irrelevance. While it’s very much possible a sore Achilles was largely to blame for Parker’s latest sputter, the broader trends in his performance are nevertheless discouraging. Were Parker on another team that didn’t so expertly disguise his limitations, his current reputation could be quite different."

I honestly attribute his injuries to those shit shoes he wears...https://img.freeauctiondesigns.com/zeat/untitled%20folder%201/Tony%20Parker%20Ad%20-%20TP9%20Black.jpg

[dabom]

His shoes don't make him overweight. :lmao

[SPURt]

His shoes don't make him overweight. :lmao
I have 25 inch cankles and those are the most comfortable shoes I own...

[SpurSwag]

their description of parker...

"Clever though Parker may be, players of his type—driving point guards reliant on their quickness—don’t tend to age gracefully. That reality makes his decline in back-to-back seasons as explicable as it is worrisome. We’ve seen Parker neutralized by age and nagging injury to the point of postseason irrelevance. While it’s very much possible a sore Achilles was largely to blame for Parker’s latest sputter, the broader trends in his performance are nevertheless discouraging. Were Parker on another team that didn’t so expertly disguise his limitations, his current reputation could be quite different."

that last sentence is painfully accurate tbh, as much as I love Parker it's worth pointing out that were he on literally any other team, people would call him out the way rondo was exposed this season. I'm happy to hear Tony's in great shape at least this season, hopefully he'll be more durable and quicker than last season. Although 2011-2013 Tony is clearly gone unfortunately.

[apalisoc_9]

And Parker still thinks he's a great player.

I hope that faggot breaks his leg.

no room for shitty players who think they are better than they really are.

[BillMc]

Just saw Danny is #50.

http://www.si.com/nba/top-100-nba-players-2016?page=3&devicetype=default

DANNY GREEN

Spurs | Guard | Last year: 96
Spurs guard Danny Green is the archetype of the “3-and-D” model (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/02/nba-free-agency-wings-demarre-carroll-danny-green-wesley-matthews), as he combines elite three-point shooting and elite all-around defense in a team framework that only requires him to be a complementary piece. “Elite” isn’t being tossed around here lightly. Among players with at least five three-point attempts per game, Green ranked fourth in effective field goal percentage, trailing only Kyle Korver, Stephen Curry and J.J. Redick. Among all two guards, Green ranked fourth in Real Plus-Minus, trailing only James Harden, Khris Middleton and Korver, and his +9.9 net rating led all Spurs players with at least 65 games played.
There’s a misconception that 3-and-D players just sort of hang out and wait for others to make things happen. That’s certainly not the case at all with Green, 28, whose constant activity off the ball creates open looks for himself and others and whose sound, high-effort defense makes him an effective marker on point guards and wings alike. Although Green isn’t an overwhelming physical specimen by any definition, it does sometimes feel like he’s everywhere at once, and he was the only perimeter player to average a block and a steal last season.
Green’s game does have major holes: he isn’t a playmaker, he is fairly hopeless attacking off the dribble, he doesn’t get to the line or finish all that well in traffic, and he is prone to streakiness, as evidenced by his disappointing showing in the 2015 playoffs. Then again, streakiness can be a two-way street, as he shot brilliantly throughout San Antonio’s back-to-back trips to the Finals in 2013 and 2014.
Deciding that he wanted to continue competing for titles year after year for a team that molded him into the key contributor he is today, Green re-signed with the Spurs on a four-year, $45 million contract this summer (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/01/san-antonio-spurs-danny-green-four-year-deal) rather than seeking out a richer offer elsewhere. Considering how handsomely Middleton, DeMarre Carroll and Wesley Matthews were rewarded in free agency, there’s little doubt Green left at least $15 million in total compensation on the table. Of course, his significant sacrifice was quickly buried under new headlines once teammates Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and David West all took sweetheart deals. Taking a backseat to bigger names is par for the course for the team-first Green, who brushed off talk that he is underpaid by saying that he “took what I was worth.” Twenty-nine GMs just muttered, “Damn Spurs.” – B.G.

2014-15: 11.7 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 43.6 FG%, 41.8 3P%
Advanced: 16.5 PER, Win Shares: 7.8, +5.41 RPM

[BillMc]

This means, barring something weird, that every Spurs starter is #53 or higher. :toast

I'd be excited if the list wasn't so arbitrary. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Keep trying ChumpDumb...I don't think you'll use the screen name you had before. Maybe you're ashamed of it now.

[SPURt]

They put up the 30-11 today. Kawhi is in the top ten, I think LMA is one spot behind Duncan at 12 and 11 respectively. I can't tell because the mobile version of the site doesn't put the numbers next to the players.

[Perry Mason]

that last sentence is painfully accurate tbh, as much as I love Parker it's worth pointing out that were he on literally any other team, people would call him out the way rondo was exposed this season. I'm happy to hear Tony's in great shape at least this season, hopefully he'll be more durable and quicker than last season. Although 2011-2013 Tony is clearly gone unfortunately.

I'm not sure I agree actually. On a different team, the coach probably sits Parker during the time he was hobbled by injury and age-related inability to heal quickly. So when he would play, you would likely see the high-level performance he turned in for the first two months of last season. And he could put up more stats in a variety of systems.

TP9 has not forgotten how to play basketball as a top player. But his body stopped cooperating. The hate-squad here is insane and disrespectful (as they always have been), as if TP9 is somehow purposefully getting older and less able to heal. Rob Diaz at least acknowledged somewhere that he blames Pop more than Parker. That is exactly the point. Pop decides to play Parker when he is hobbled and slow, not Parker.

Nevertheless, expect a bounce back season. Not 2013 Parker. But I expect a minutes-managed 2014 Parker that is overall healthier and smarter in his play.

[YGWHI]

I think LMA is one spot behind Duncan at 12 and 11 respectively. I can't tell because the mobile version of the site doesn't put the numbers next to the players.

12

LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE

Spurs | Forward | Last year: 12
In back-to-back seasons, Aldridge was the definitive axis of one of the NBA’s better offenses. Portland leaned heavily on Aldridge’s post game as a means of creation. Individual coverage with committed perimeter defense would be met with a turnaround jumper—the staple of his repertoire. Any additional pressure or laziness on the part of off-ball defenders would feed into the Blazers’ flow. Aldridge would first give up the ball in the cleanest way possible and following a chain reaction of swing passes, Portland would either seize an opportunity or reset through Aldridge. That basic rhythm carried the Blazers to something resembling title contention; although reasonable people can disagree as to how much of a threat they posed, the healthy 2014–15 Blazers had all the statistical markings of a should-be contender.The style they played relied on Aldridge’s ability to take and make certain kinds of difficult shots at the expense of his shooting efficiency. Aldridge’s 8.7 post-up possessions per game was the second-highest mark of its kind, according to Synergy Sports. Those possessions are inherently less fruitful than others spent rolling to the rim or working the offensive glass. No matter how skilled a post player might be, high usage in that space will result in markedly lower shot-for-shot efficiency. Aldridge took that fact in stride and thrived all the same behind one of the NBA’s highest usage rates. If Portland needed him to structure possessions through the threat of his scoring, so be it.All of which speaks to the fact that Aldridge can both carry a smart, balanced offense like the Blazers or change his role to allow for a different kind of shot profile. Teams could play him inside or out, as a central hub or one creator among several. Just don't ask him to play center.

It’s perfectly understandable that Aldridge, no matter his size and strength, would rather not tussle with centers on a full-time basis. His rebounding is only so-so and playing bigger means backing down stronger post defenders on a nightly basis. Should Aldridge ever change his mind, however, he’d make a damn near ideal center in the modern NBA. The spacing speaks for itself. When a team’s least rangy position is occupied by one of the deadliest midrange shooters in the game, it affords the offense a wide variety of productive courses. Defensively, Aldridge is 1) better than he’s often given credit, provided that he’s dialed in, and 2) tall enough to handle more conventional matchups. Aldridge won’t provide an especially rigid line of rim protection, though he picks up early and moves his feet rather well.

Last we saw Aldridge, he had already checked out of a Blazers playoff series still in progress. It doesn’t even seem fair to demerit him much for that; for the star of an injured team to feel defeated in the midst of an extended tailspin seems rather reasonable, if unfortunate. Aldridge’s greater body of work speaks to a more committed player—one willing and able to steady a quality team over the long haul. – R.M.


11
TIM DUNCAN

Spurs | Forward | Last year: 5
The new Netflix series “Narcos” repeatedly recites an old line, the one about how only the cockroaches will survive a nuclear holocaust. I watched as the show’s camera tracked these perseverant little bugs across a post-apocalyptic desert, and I kept expecting an unfazed Tim Duncan to be banking in jumpers and posting a 20-plus PER somewhere in the dusty background.

Remarkably, Duncan remained in the conversation as the NBA’s best all-around big man in 2014–15, his age-38 season. The future Hall of Famer saw his per-game production slip to 14/9, near the low-water mark of his career, but he plunged through another excellent campaign that saw him earn All-Star, All-NBA and All-Defensive honors. San Antonio won 55 games and made the playoffs for the 18th time in Duncan’s 18-year career that the Spurs posted a winning percentage of .610 or greater and the 18th time they’ve advanced to the postseason. Duncan posted a 22.6 PER, the 18th time in his 18-year career he posted a PER above 20. Duncan averaged 17/11 per-36 minutes, the 18th time in his 18-year career that he’s done that (rounding up). You get the picture.And yet it gets
better. Duncan ranked in the top 15 league-wide in PER, Win Shares, Real Plus-Minus, and WARP; the only other players to fit that bill were LeBron James, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Stephen Curry and James Harden, the NBA’s top six MVP candidates, who all happen to be 30 or younger. From a PER standpoint, Duncan posted the second-best age-38 season in NBA history, trailing only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1986. From a Win Shares standpoint, Duncan’s season was fourth all-time at his age, trailing only Abdul-Jabbar, John Stockton (2001) and Karl Malone (2002). Take a moment to truly digest that: Duncan was simultaneously in the mix with today’s greats, regardless of age, and history’s all-time greats at his age.


Try as he might to cede some of center stage to his younger teammates, Duncan proved to be San Antonio’s most formidable figure again in the playoffs. Tony Parker didn’t look healthy. Manu Ginobili was just too shaky. Danny Green was streaky. Kawhi Leonard never fully took over in the series-deciding sequences. And yet there was Duncan, nuclear winter survivor, posting 28/11 in Game 2 to even the series and 21/11 in Game 5 to give the Spurs a 3–2 series lead (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/29/spurs-clippers-game-5-tim-duncan-blake-griffin-western-conference-playoffs). There was Duncan, stymying Griffin in signature fashion (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/29/tim-duncan-block-deandre-jordan-goaltend-video-spurs-clippers).It should have been enough to break the Clippers, but it wasn’t. Barely. Chris Paul claimed the series with a remarkable last-second shot in Game 7. (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/05/02/chris-paul-game-7-los-angeles-clippers-san-antonio-spurs-tim-duncan) The last time the Spurs were beaten by a devastating shot, Game 6 of the 2013 Finals (http://www.si.com/nba/2013/12/18/ray-allen-miami-heat-29-seconds-nba-finals-game-6), Duncan rallied the troops to make a resounding run to the 2014 title (http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2014/06/15/spurs-win-title-heat-2014-nba-finals). A similar bounceback season is a possibility in 2016, thanks to a strong summer that included the addition of LaMarcus Aldridge(a longtime Duncan admirer) (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/04/lamarcus-aldridge-san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-tim-duncan) and David West as well as the re-signings of Leonard, Green and Ginobili. Duncan’s decision to continue his career and sign a comically cheap two-year, (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/09/tim-duncan-san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-lamarcus-aldridge-grades)$10.4 million contract (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/09/tim-duncan-san-antonio-spurs-free-agency-lamarcus-aldridge-grades) ensured the band got back together, and his ability to continue playing to his standard of excellence is a prerequisite for San Antonio’s title hopes.Duncan slips out of SI’s Top 10 for the first time since this list began in 2013. This wasn’t an easy call, given Duncan’s stabilizing effect throughout a regular season marred by injuries to his teammates and his strong (albeit brief) showing in the playoffs. Ultimately, his upcoming 40th birthday and the shifts brought on by Leonard’s ascension and Aldridge’s arrival provided enough cause to drop him six spots, as coach Gregg Popovich should be in position to manage Duncan’s season even more carefully. With any luck, these circumstances will lead to a Clippers/Spurs postseason rematch, or a Rockets/Spurs battle for Texas supremacy, or the highly-anticipated Warriors/Spurs showdown that didn’t materialize last season. Or, if we’re allowed to dream, maybe there’s still time for one more Finals showdown between Duncan and James. Just one more for the ages. – BG

[gameFACE]

The new Netflix series “Narcos” repeatedly recites an old line, the one about how only the cockroaches will survive a nuclear holocaust. I watched as the show’s camera tracked these perseverant little bugs across a post-apocalyptic desert, and I kept expecting an unfazed Tim Duncan to be banking in jumpers and posting a 20-plus PER somewhere in the dusty background.


:lol

TD at #11 is not bad technically but I would have bumped him up one more to the top 10 out of respect for what he's producing at 38 yrs old.

[T_L_P]

I'd still take Duncan over LaMarcus tbh, especially in a Playoff series.

[YGWHI]

I'd still take Duncan over LaMarcus tbh, especially in a Playoff series.

Feel lucky, the Spurs don't have to choose one or the other now, they have both. :hat

And Kawhi. :flag:

[YGWHI]

Kawhi Leonard, the only top 10 player who's still a role player for certain fans here...

[SuperCam]

Kawhi in the top 10? what a fuckin joke. does that mean Matt Barnes is in the top 5?

if this choker is ranked above Jimmy Buckets, then you can just throw the whole list in the trash

[SuperCam]

Jimmy at 18??? Kawhi top 10 above the likes of LMAlpha, tim, john wall, kyrie irving, and paul george? fucking joke of a list

The author must be the world's biggest kiwitard faggot.

[YGWHI]

Cum...an objective poster. :D

[SuperCam]

Draymond Green at 16? :lmao

:lol


:lmao:lmao:lmao


:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin


Any faggot that thinks draymond green is the 16th best player in the league needs to be sterilized to protect the gene pool. any kiwitard that uses this list in their favor should join them :lol

[YGWHI]

"Rankings were assigned based on a fluid combination of subjective assessment and objective data, including per-game statistics and advanced measures like Player Efficiency Rating, Win Shares, Real Plus-Minus, WARP, Net Rating and Synergy Sports data. This list is an earnest attempt to evaluate each player in a vacuum. As a result, future prospects beyond this season did not play a part in the ranking process, while the influence of team context was minimized to whatever extent was possible. Our sole concern was how players are likely to perform this season alone"

[RD2191]

And Parker still thinks he's a great player.

I hope that faggot breaks his leg.

no room for shitty players who think they are better than they really are.

[RD2191]

Kawhimvp. Haters shitting bricks.

[SuperCam]

this article is turning into kiwitards' worst nightmare all over the internet. kawhi is getting shit on by reddit, realgm, and most every nba and sports message board discussing this list. kiwitard SI writer overplayed his hand and now it's coming back to bite 'em in the ass, tbh

[Kool Bob Love]

Typical mainstream media not watching any Spurs game. Kawhi is like the 6th best player on the team. At most. And that's being biased because of how great of a role and system player he is.

[toki9]

So who's left for top 10? In no particular order: Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Curry, Davis, Paul, Blake, Leonard, and Gasol?

[DarrinS]

Typical mainstream media not watching any Spurs game. Kawhi is like the 6th best player on the team. At most. And that's being biased because of how great of a role and system player he is.


Uh, ok :rolleyes

[DarrinS]

Kawhi in the top 10? what a fuckin joke. does that mean Matt Barnes is in the top 5?

if this choker is ranked above Jimmy Buckets, then you can just throw the whole list in the trash

:cry

[Kool Bob Love]

Uh, ok :rolleyes

No order.

Duncan
Parker
mills
diaw
LMA
Manu
green.

shit you're right he doesn't even crack the top 7.

[dabom]

No order.

Duncan
Parker
mills
diaw
LMA
Manu
green.

shit you're right he doesn't even crack the top 7.

Do some of you legit spurs fan actually believe anything this faggot says? jw.

[TheGreatYacht]

Jimmy at 18??? Kawhi top 10 above the likes of LMAlpha, tim, john wall, kyrie irving, and paul george? fucking joke of a list

The author must be the world's biggest kiwitard faggot.
with a touch of vanilla.

in before another fake injury to excuse his shit play for 3/4ths of the season.

[TheGreatYacht]

No order.

Duncan
Parker
mills
diaw
LMA
Manu
green.

shit you're right he doesn't even crack the top 7.
:tu

[DarrinS]

No order.

Duncan
Parker
mills
diaw
LMA
Manu
green.

shit you're right he doesn't even crack the top 7.

Solid list there, parkertard

[SpurSwag]

I'm not sure I agree actually. On a different team, the coach probably sits Parker during the time he was hobbled by injury and age-related inability to heal quickly. So when he would play, you would likely see the high-level performance he turned in for the first two months of last season. And he could put up more stats in a variety of systems.

TP9 has not forgotten how to play basketball as a top player. But his body stopped cooperating. The hate-squad here is insane and disrespectful (as they always have been), as if TP9 is somehow purposefully getting older and less able to heal. Rob Diaz at least acknowledged somewhere that he blames Pop more than Parker. That is exactly the point. Pop decides to play Parker when he is hobbled and slow, not Parker.

Nevertheless, expect a bounce back season. Not 2013 Parker. But I expect a minutes-managed 2014 Parker that is overall healthier and smarter in his play.

i agree with some of what you're saying, but when you play for the Spurs individual numbers are far less important and stat fall offs are attributed to team basketball and Pop minute managing. I'm not quite sure why you feel pop is to blame here, as Tony has played less than 30 mpg over the last 2 seasons, and I'm fairly confident that when Parker plays hobbled, it is his decision and pop trusts that Tony feels ok. I highly doubt that a coach as focused on resting as pop is would force Tony to play if Tony told him he has a nagging injury. On another team, his contributions would be needed more probably and his fall off in effectiveness (basic stats may go up but I doubt advanced ones would improve) would become more obvious. At least those are my thoughts

[YGWHI]

if this choker is ranked above Jimmy Buckets, then you can just throw the whole list in the trash

this article is turning into kiwitards' worst nightmare all over the internet. kawhi is getting shit on by reddit, realgm, and most every nba and sports message board discussing this list. kiwitard SI writer overplayed his hand and now it's coming back to bite 'em in the ass, tbh
"He was 23rd in Offensive RPM last year, and 6th in Defensive RPM. If you weight the metrics equally then he was the 5th best player last year, and that doesn't even factor in age"
"Jimmy Butler was 16th in oRPM and 151st in dRPM, good for 23rd in overall rpm."

Don't like to post links from other sites but you aren't just a troll, you're a liar too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3jddcn/sports_illustrated_top_100_nba_players_of_20156 (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3jddcn/sports_illustrated_top_100_nba_players_of_20156/)

[SuperCam]

"He was 23rd in Offensive RPM last year, and 6th in Defensive RPM. If you weight the metrics equally then he was the 5th best player last year, and that doesn't even factor in age"
"Jimmy Butler was 16th in oRPM and 151st in dRPM, good for 23rd in overall rpm."

Don't like to post links from other sites but you aren't just a troll, you're a liar too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3jddcn/sports_illustrated_top_100_nba_players_of_20156 (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3jddcn/sports_illustrated_top_100_nba_players_of_20156/)


read the comments kiwitard. almost all of them are mocking and disagreeing with the inclusion

[YGWHI]

Media rankings mean very little, but I'd think that Kawhi getting more attention for his stats, can also get more respect from refs.

Sometimes he's clearly getting fouled and the refs aren't even calling it, he could make another huge step in his game if he finally gets the calls he deserves

[SuperCam]

kawhi is in the top 10 really? this motherfucker is the most overrated player i have ever seen.

:lmao


Kawhi is top 10? what

You show me someone who thinks Kawhi is better than Demarcus Cousins and I'll show you someone who's wrong


Fucking kiwitards wouldn't survive a minute outside of Spurstalk

[YGWHI]

:lmao Fucking kiwitards wouldn't survive a minute outside of Spurstalk
I read 477 comments and only 5 were negative so your "he's getting shit" isn't true. You really love to eat your own shit right?

[apalisoc_9]

wow people posting mainstream antiquated opinions :wow

What a power move :wow

Reddit? Holy shit what's that place? Must be full of winners :wow

[SuperCam]

I read 477 comments and only 5 were negative so your "he's getting shit" isn't true. You really love to eat your own shit right?

pretty much all the comments about kawhi, kiwitard, were opposed to his ranking. only a kiwitard would have an ego thinking a list of dozens of players that all comments would be about him :lol


It's amusing how it takes objective, unbiased outsider fans like myself to bring reason to this place sometimes :tu

[timtonymanu]

Lol posting comments from dumb basketball fans that think PPG = top 10 player.

Cat needs better material, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Reddit opinions :lmao

funniest thing today :lmao

[YGWHI]

pretty much all the comments about kawhi, kiwitard, were opposed to his ranking
You don't know how to count or what?
Most comments were positive, about his absence and the Spurs record last season, how important he's on the team, the comparison between his stats and other players as the reason why he ranks higher...
Stop lying shit eater.

[YGWHI]

Reddit opinions :lmao

Lol posting comments from dumb basketball fans that think PPG = top 10 player.

I know, but they say something good about a Spurs player like Kawhi for once...then Cum lies saying otherwise.:lol

[SuperCam]

You don't know how to count or what?
Most comments were positive, about his absence and the Spurs record last season, how important he's on the team, the comparison between his stats and other players as the reason why he ranks higher...
Stop lying shit eater.

Those were spurs fans you kiwitard.


fucking hell the top comment expressing disbelief kawhi was on the list had over 100 likes :lmao

[SuperCam]

I'll admit reddit is filled with faggots who banned me after I called curry a twink fuckboi last year, but 100+ likes don't lie :tu

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/4ZPvs52.png?1

[YGWHI]

Those were spurs fans you kiwitard.

fucking hell the top comment expressing disbelief kawhi was on the list had over 100 likes :lmao

So you say only Spurs' fans praise Kawhi game?.

That's why "No way in hell Duncan is 11" had 158 likes/points? Only Spurs fans like him too?

A lot of positive comments there, neither, Tim nor Kawhi, "getting shit"

Better find other way Cum.

[timtonymanu]

http://i.imgur.com/4ZPvs52.png?1

:lmao

[YGWHI]

Cats :lmao

[YGWHI]

Kawhi Leonard, SA

The Defensive Player of the Year was first in defensive rating, and among the leaders in defensive win shares and defensive box score plus/minus. Leonard’s athleticism allowed him to switch on screens at a rate 69.0% higher than the league average. He forced turnovers at a rate 80.0% higher than the league average (and 30.9% higher than Draymond Green). He was second in the NBA in steals percentage, highlighted by deflecting passes at more than twice the league average. He also denied passes to at a rate 88.0% higher than the league




Yep. Only Spurs fans praise Kawhi game.

[SPURt]

I'll admit reddit is filled with faggots who banned me after I called curry a twink fuckboi last year, but 100+ likes don't lie :tu
Wow! It does sound like they're the problem!

[ceperez]

Spurs have 4 starters in top 50 and one in top 50-100.

Warriors have similarly 4 players in top 50 and one in top 100. Am I right here?

[dabom]

http://i.imgur.com/4ZPvs52.png?1

i saw him post on his main to look like he still uses it. :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

i saw him post on his main to look like he still uses it. :lmao

:lol

[Brazil]

DG and BD for Shumpert is better trade than Beal and Ariza for KL :lmao

[LittleCriminal]

"Duncan was simultaneously in the mix with today’s greats, regardless of age, and history’s all-time greats at his age."
Fukkin Awesome when you think about it..

[SPURt]

KAwhi Leonard #10 on the list

The inclusion of Spurs forward Kawhi Leonard in the top 10 might strike some as overly generous, especially because it comes at the expense of more established names, including two of his teammates. After all, Leonard is the only member of the top 15 without an All-Star selection to his name, he’s the only member of the top 12 without an All-NBA selection, he’s the only member of the top 15 that has never played at least 67 games in a season. His 16.5 points per game scoring average ranked just 35th league-wide last season, barely topping a role player like J.J. Redick.


Yes, there is some projecting happening here. That should be the least surprising admission of all time. Leonard has a Finals MVP award, a championship, a Defensive Player of the Year award and a five-year, $90 million maximum contract to his name at the ripe old age of 24. He’s steadily improved his scoring, rebounding and assist numbers in each of his four seasons. Last year, he averaged just 31.8 minutes a game; at the same age, LeBron James was logging 40.4 minutes, while Kevin Durant was playing 38.6. Betting on Leonard’s future improvement requires zero risk and concluding that he’s more valuable than his per-game stats requires minimal brainpower. By now, the world should be fully aware of his virtues on defense: he is versatile, long, strong and quick, plus he has excellent feet, hands, instincts and focus. Last season, San Antonio’s defensive rating improved from 102.2 when he was off the court to 97.1 when he was on it, and his +4.59 Defensive Real Plus-Minus ranked third overall in the NBA. Leonard has already passed high-pressure tests with flying colors—winning series against both James and Durant in the playoffs—and he’s helped the Spurs to top-five defensive efficiency rankings for three consecutive seasons. Leonard is probably the most coveted under-25 player not named Anthony Davis.
The offensive growth he displayed down the stretch last year is most intriguing of all. As noted back in April (http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/07/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-playoffs-all-nba), Leonard doesn’t have his own signature skill so much as he excels at making star-type plays in a variety of different ways. He can grab a defensive rebound and take off for down the court, he can finish plays above the rim in transition, he can knock down catch-and-shoot jumpers, he can pound defenders in the post, he can hit a face-up jumper in isolation, and he’s proficient in simple pick-and-roll plays. While it’s accurate to say that Leonard’s offensive game is still a work in progress, it’s more accurate to say that he’s showing clear progress in numerous areas of his offensive game, and there’s more to come. His impact numbers are strong on the offensive end, too, by the way: San Antonio’s offensive efficiency improved by 5.9 points with him on the court.
Deciding the order in which to rank Leonard, Duncan and Aldridge was not easy, and in the end the youngest of the three Spurs frontcourt stars won out because he seems to have the surest short-term future. Unlike Duncan, he isn’t facing age-related decline or the possibility of limited minutes. Unlike Aldridge, he isn’t transitioning to a new franchise or adjusting to a new role. Regardless of how the shot-taking pecking order shakes out, Leonard will be bringing A-list defense and making contributions all over the court. Plus, he has the full support of San Antonio’s old guard: Tony Parker, for example, said that Leonard wastransitioning into becoming “The Man,” (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/sports/basketball/spurs-prepare-to-pass-the-torch-and-kawhi-leonard-is-ready.html)while Duncan symbolically presented Leonard with his Defensive Player of the Year trophy.
The torch wasn’t officially, indisputably passed in 2014-15, as Leonard faded during the Spurs’ first-round loss to the Clippers. As L.A. stormed back in the series to take Games 6 and 7, Leonard’s shot abandoned him, his assertiveness seemed to wane, and he wasn’t able to exert the alpha scorer influence that coach Gregg Popovich seemed to be requesting in must-score situations. While the media-averse Leonard is hardly the type to issue grand pronouncements about how he plans to draw motivation from those experiences, his track record suggests that he’s unlikely to make the same mistake twice. Leonard is coming back better, and potentially a lot better, in 2016. You’ve been warned. – B.G.

2014-15: 18.7 PPG, 8.2 RPG, 2.6 SPG, 47.9 FG%, 34.9 3P%
Advanced: 22.0 PER, Win Shares: 8.6, +7.57 RPM

[SupremeGuy]

SI taking a shit on the short bus. :lol

[dabom]

SI taking a shit on the short bus. :lol

:lol

[K...]

As L.A. stormed back in the series to take Games 6 and 7, Leonard’s shot abandoned him, his assertiveness seemed to wane, and he wasn’t able to exert the alpha scorer influence that coach Gregg Popovich seemed to be requesting in must-score situations.



Couldn't have said it better.

[dabom]

As L.A. stormed back in the series to take Games 6 and 7, Leonard’s shot abandoned him, his assertiveness seemed to wane, and he wasn’t able to exert the alpha scorer influence that coach Gregg Popovich seemed to be requesting in must-score situations.



Couldn't have said it better.

I guess he's a top 10 player then right?

[TheGreatYacht]

SI taking a shit on the short bus. :lol
Putting believability into a magazine that crowned the 2013 Lakers as a Dynasty :lol

"Meet the new kings of the West..." :lol

"Now THIS is going to be FUN!" :lol

Short bus :lol

[DarrinS]

As L.A. stormed back in the series to take Games 6 and 7, Leonard’s shot abandoned him, his assertiveness seemed to wane, and he wasn’t able to exert the alpha scorer influence that coach Gregg Popovich seemed to be requesting in must-score situations.



His shot didn't abandon him. He was physically shut down by Matt Barnes.

:lol


Just like TP had Barnes on "lock down" mode for most of the series. :lol

[SuperCam]

Outside fans continue to rip SI kiwitard rankings:


Really don't like Kawhi in the top 10.

80 likes


Agree, I'd take any of Wall, Cousins, LMA, or Melo over him. If PG recovers to his prior level of play I'd take him too.

40 likes


Kawhi leonard is not a top 10 player.


Gasol and kawhi are the only players in top 10 who get no hate for disappearing in big games and moments. i see no hate for them when they disappear in playoff games. Their good performances are the only way to judge them. Bad performances don't matter.


truth :tu


I think Kawhi gets too much credit for his hardware, he probably wouldn't have a championship on any other team. Respect for the DPOY year award, but the FMVP is just a "Thanks for guarding LeBron, we won!" trophy.


So true :lmao

[DarrinS]

Lol people digging thru comments section for confirmation bias

[Spurtacular]

Agree, I'd take any of Wall, Cousins, LMA, or Melo over him. If PG recovers to his prior level of play I'd take him too.



Shows how stupid the average NBA fans are.

[YGWHI]

Gasol and kawhi are the only players in top 10 who get no hate for disappearing in big games and moments. i see no hate for them when they disappear in playoff games. Their good performances are the only way to judge them. Bad performances don't matter

Thanks for posting, I just read and...love it.
It's unbelievable that in such a short time Kawhi has reached that level of appreciation, when media and fans past/forget your bad games and only can remember the good...damn.
:tu

[YGWHI]

As L.A. stormed back in the series to take Games 6 and 7, Leonard’s shot abandoned him, his assertiveness seemed to wane, and he wasn’t able to exert the alpha scorer influence that coach Gregg Popovich seemed to be requesting in must-score situations. While the media-averse Leonard is hardly the type to issue grand pronouncements about how he plans to draw motivation from those experiences, his track record suggests that he’s unlikely to make the same mistake twice. Leonard is coming back better, and potentially a lot better, in 2016. You’ve been warned

Couldn't have said it better.

Agreed. Can't wait to watch him play, he's getting better every season.

[rasuo214]

What's up with the Jimmy Butler dick sucking from the Kawhi haters? That dude did worse against Matt Barnes than Kawhi did.

Kawhi: 19.6 PPG 7.3 RPG 1.5 SPG 45.5% FG 37.2 3P
Jimmy: 16.0 PPG 4.0 RPG 1.0 SPG 34.6% FG 37.5 3P

[kobyz]

What's up with the Jimmy Butler dick sucking from the Kawhi haters? That dude did worse against Matt Barnes than Kawhi did.

Kawhi: 19.6 PPG 7.3 RPG 1.5 SPG 45.5% FG 37.2 3P
Jimmy: 16.0 PPG 4.0 RPG 1.0 SPG 34.6% FG 37.5 3P

What happened to Kawhi when he was sucking and outplayed by Barnes in those 3 meaningful games wouldn't been happening to Jimmy who has more mental thoughness...

[rasuo214]

What happened to Kawhi when he was sucking and outplayed by Barnes in those 3 meaningful games wouldn't been happening to Jimmy who has more mental thoughness...

And that is based off what? Jimmy Butler hasn't even made it past the 2nd round in the Eastern Conference and his playoff numbers weren't much better than Kawhi's. Also lets not act like Jimmy had a stellar 3 games when the Bulls lost 3 straight to the Cavs.

[kobyz]

And that is based off what? Jimmy Butler hasn't even made it past the 2nd round in the Eastern Conference and his playoff numbers weren't much better than Kawhi's. Also lets not act like Jimmy had a stellar 3 games when the Bulls lost 3 straight to the Cavs.

Cause Jimmy is more natural competitor that naturally take it on himself without giving fuck, not like Kawhi rely very much on other to lead him, not like Kawhi has personality problem that caused bad guy image players like Matt Barnes to get into his head...

[rasuo214]

Cause Jimmy is more natural competitor that naturally take it on himself without giving fuck, not like Kawhi rely very much on other to lead him, not like Kawhi has personality problem that caused bad guy image players like Matt Barnes to get into his head...

lol Jimmy can't even get past the 2nd round in the pathetic Eastern Conference, whereas Kawhi won FMVP and led the Spurs to 3 straight blowout wins against the Heat for an NBA Championship. Maybe Jimmy should start giving a fuck maybe then he'd stop chucking and costing the Bulls games...

[kobyz]

lol Jimmy can't even get past the 2nd round in the pathetic Eastern Conference, whereas Kawhi won FMVP and led the Spurs to 3 straight blowout wins against the Heat for an NBA Championship. Maybe Jimmy should start giving a fuck maybe then he'd stop chucking and costing the Bulls games...

lol Matt Barnes! Jimmy has much more attenuating circumstances, Lets see Kawhi comes out big not only in blowout wins but also in close games more often...

[rasuo214]

lol Matt Barnes! Jimmy has much more attenuating circumstances, Lets see Kawhi comes out big not only in blowout wins but also in close games more often...

lol did you forget my first point. Kawhi did better than Jimmy against Matt Barnes. Oops try again. Lets see Jimmy get past the 2nd round before praising him as a natural competitor/Kobe wannabe.

[DMC]

Lol, an injured Parker that was out half the year and injured in the playoffs is still a top 50ish player in the league going into next season. And last season he was top 15. According to da Krew he was top 100 last year and top 300 this year. Good calls guys.
Just like how AP ranks teams. It doesn't mean shit before the opening game.

Tony played like dog shit. You could give his role to CoJo and he would be at least as good as Tony was last year including the playoffs, probably better. People tend to give bonus points for past performances with these things, and current status is basically disregarded. No one wants to be that guy who ranked Tony dead last if he has a resurgence. Still, truth be told, he has a lot to prove now.

[kobyz]

lol did you forget my first point. Kawhi did better than Jimmy against Matt Barnes. Oops try again. Lets see Jimmy get past the 2nd round before praising him as a natural competitor/Kobe wannabe.
Some random regular season games against Matt Barnes that doesn't mean shit can't be compare against the 3 meaningful playoff games against Matt Barnes that Kawhi fucked up big time...

[YGWHI]

Some random regular season games against Matt Barnes that doesn't mean shit can't be compare against the 3 meaningful playoff games against Matt Barnes that Kawhi fucked up big time...
This criteria is meaningless if it only applies to Kawhi.
According to Brazil, Kawhi missed 17 shots against Barnes in all series, 17 shots mean 15% of Kawhi shots, also Kawhi he was double teamed in the series and still averaged 20ppg.

[Spurtacular]

This criteria is meaningless if it only applies to Kawhi.
According to Brazil, Kawhi missed 17 shots against Barnes in all series, 17 shots mean 15% of Kawhi shots, also Kawhi he was double teamed in the series and still averaged 20ppg.

It was a tale of two halves of the series. The first half was pretty good. The second half was lousy. I'm a KL fan; but he let the moment get too big. Hopefully, he owns up to it and keeps progressing.

[TD 21]

Overall, a solid list. Like any list, you can quibble with a bunch of things, but in general, they more or less have the vast majority of players in the range they should be in, they clearly put an extensive amount of thought/research into it and have a more than elementary understanding of the game.

Parker at 53 is fine, considering it's not based entirely off of last season and is somewhat a projection of the season to come.

[Seventyniner]

Parker at 53 is fine, considering it's not based entirely off of last season and is somewhat a projection of the season to come.

That has been the problem with the "discussions" (I'm being kind here) about Parker on this board. Consider the following two statements:
1) Parker was terrible last year.
2) Parker will never be good again.

Basically everyone agrees with #1, but those with an agenda against Parker try to conflate the statements, saying that anyone who agrees with #1 must also agree with #2. A special breed of dumbass adds in:
3) Parker has never been good.

[G-Dawgg]

I feel like Diaw got shafted. I feel he's better than alot of the players that made this list...