LoL @ Kawhi not having a ability to average 20 ppg

[Kawhitstorm]

List of 2nd tier wing players who weren't lethal shooters that averaged 20 ppg (or close to it) on a playoff team in the past 10 years:

Shawn Marion
Caron Butler
Little Richard
Josh Howard
Captain Jack
Derozan
Larry Hughes
Jimmy Butler
Deng

None of them strike me as superior offensive talents than 2015 Kawhi.

Artest/Wallace/Maggette averaged 20 ppg as the main option on mediocre teams & neither of them had Kawhi offensive arsenal (Artest was also a ground bound player).

IMO, offensively Kawhi is where Josh Howard was in his 4th/5th season when he was the 2nd option next to Dirk while playing on a contender. Kawhi is more athletic/stronger than Howard who was primarily a mid range shooter, once Kawhi learns how to get to the line he is going to make a Jimmy Butler like leap offensively & should have no trouble getting 20 a night on a consistent basis. I'll be damned if Kawhi doesn't surpass Little Richard's best scoring season in the next 4 seasons.

Iggy is the one guy that will never break 20 despite his talent because he's a pass first guy & happens to be a reluctant scorer w/ a shaky jumper.

[MultiTroll]

Artest/Wallace/Maggette averaged 20 ppg as the main option on mediocre teams & neither of them had Kawhi offensive arsenal (Artest was also a ground bound player).
Exactly.
I want to see Kaw follow in Tims footsteps.
Phuck the media wards and instead acquire multiple legit Championships.

Was kinda disappointed when he said he wanted to be MVP. You'd never hear that chit coming out of Tims mouth.

That is for self absorbed punk types ala Kobe, other modern day punks.

[SuperCam]

If spurs had drafted jimmy buckets and kept george hill... you'd be talking threepeat

[Spurtacular]

Kawhi Games 5-7 vs. Clips: 13-44 FG, 0 Stls

What he does regular season won't matter much if he doesn't show up for the big games.

[SnakeBoy]

:cryIt's Tony Porkers fault:cry

[philldafunk]

Trying to figure out how that MVP is gonna play out. Hopefully he comes out and blows the roof off the arena.

[timtonymanu]

PPG fans smh

[dabom]

Kawhi Games 5-7 vs. Clips: 13-44 FG, 0 Stls

What he does regular season won't matter much if he doesn't show up for the big games.

jimmer mormon faggot. :lmao

[Kool Bob Love]

Kawhi Games 5-7 vs. Clips: 13-44 FG, 0 Stls

What he does regular season won't matter much if he doesn't show up for the big games.

System player gonna system player. I mean of course he goes after meaningless regular season awards. No one really give a fuck about MVP Awards or all star game appearance.

Oh oh he won't even play in the beginning of the season. The usually injury excuse for baby Barnes. Pink eye, knee Hurting because of a fucking nail on the court, typical bullshit excuses.

[Kool Bob Love]

Trying to figure out how that MVP is gonna play out. Hopefully he comes out and blows the roof off the arena.

It will play out like this. LMAlpha averages 25 a game, Spurs 60+ wins, LMAlpha wins MVP, Kawhi pulls a 04 Kobe bricking every shot and Ft for the Spurs to lose to the fucking Cavs.

That SOB. SMH.

[Kool Bob Love]

If spurs had drafted jimmy buckets and kept george hill... you'd be talking threepeat

thanks for the reminder. :pctoss

[Diego20]

PPG fans smh

[dabom]

Kawhi = Championship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1O3pq0KyXQ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOmbv0CYAAFKGi.jpg


:lmao

[313]

If spurs had drafted jimmy buckets and kept george hill... you'd be talking threepeat
Truth nuke except I don't think we would've needed Hill with Mills and cojo

[daslicer]

He won't average 20. Its not in him to be that type of player.

[dbreiden83080]

Do you want him to scale it back on D to put up 20 PPG? A lot of so called great players (Coughs Melo) Play no D, to save their energy..

[BD24]

He absolutely has the ability to average 20 ppg.

I would be pretty surprised this year if he does with the talent the Spurs have and the Spurs offensive system. I think he will be able to put up an ultra efficient 17-18 ppg though. If he can hit 20 ppg within the flow of our offense though great.

Before Kawhi player fans bring up his scoring 20 ppg in the stretch at the end of last year lets not forget we added a guy who scored over 20 ppg last year and was the #1 option on a playoff team.

[gospursgojas]

Kawhi Games 5-7 vs. Clips: 13-44 FG, 0 Stls

What he does regular season won't matter much if he doesn't show up for the big games.

2014 NBA Finals Games 3, 4, and 5 are not big games?

[Wu36]

Who the fuck cares how many points Kawhi averages. Spurs fans wants rings. Go to rotoworld with that shit and bring that apo9 dude with you. I think he's just some crippled dieing kid laying in a hospital bed trolling this forum on his phone trying to get Kawhi to come give him an autograph before he kicks the bucket.

[Arcadian]

And yet he's better than all of those players on your list. What's your point?

[Kawhitstorm]

Kawhi Games 5-7 vs. Clips: 13-44 FG, 0 Stls

What he does regular season won't matter much if he doesn't show up for the big games.

That's a typical day in the office for PRIME Kobe/Iverson.

[Kawhitstorm]

Before Kawhi player fans bring up his scoring 20 ppg in the stretch at the end of last year lets not forget we added a guy who scored over 20 ppg last year and was the #1 option on a playoff team.

That's exactly what's going to free him up & enable him to play 1-on-1 ala Diaw starting in Gm 3-5 of the 2014 Finals.

[BD24]

That's exactly what's going to free him up & enable him to play 1-on-1 ala Diaw starting in Gm 3-5 of the 2014 Finals.
So you don't think that LMA will take shots from Kawhi? You realize there is only a certain amount of possesions a game correct? Kawhi was already extremely efficient last season. He can only become so much more efficient. His numbers are effected by his usage rate which more than likely won't be as high.

[TheGreatYacht]

He absolutely has the ability to average 20 ppg.

I would be pretty surprised this year if he does with the talent the Spurs have and the Spurs offensive system. I think he will be able to put up an ultra efficient 17-18 ppg though. If he can hit 20 ppg within the flow of our offense though great.

Before Kawhi player fans bring up his scoring 20 ppg in the stretch at the end of last year lets not forget we added a guy who scored over 20 ppg last year and was the #1 option on a playoff team.
Agreed :tu

[Kawhitstorm]

So you don't think that LMA will take shots from Kawhi? You realize there is only a certain amount of possesions a game correct? Kawhi was already extremely efficient last season. He can only become so much more efficient. His numbers are effected by his usage rate which more than likely won't be as high.

Tony is going to get phased out of the offense along w/ Manu/Tim thus Kawhi should get enough touches to average 20 ppg if he starts getting to the line more often. It's not a secret that Kawhi/LMA are going to be the #1/#2 options thus they will get their touches meanwhile Tim/Tony will have to adjust to being role players ala Manu.

[spurraider21]

he's good enough to average 20 ppg... clear to see it. on another team he might. not on the spurs, especially with LMA coming aboard

[unleashbaynes]

Holy fuck you people are absolute mouth breathers.

[Splits]

Are we sure we want Kawhi averaging 20ppg? That didn't work out too well in the playoffs last year. Would prefer him to concentrate on D and just take the easy buckets the offense gives him like in 2014 where he averaged 16.

[Skull-1]

LMAO at the retarded OP. Manu never averaged 20 ppg. :lol

[dabom]

enrique will make sure he doesnt avg 20ppg

sees anyone with hot hand, he will not continue to pass it to that person...

Lot of instances last year when Kawhi was hot that porker decided not to feed him.

[TheGreatYacht]

enrique will make sure he doesnt avg 20ppg

sees anyone with hot hand, he will not continue to pass it to that person...
A "new poster" that thinks Kawhi would be Jordan 2.0 if it wasn't for Enrique??

Doesn't seem fishy... :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

now u just being silly putting words into ppls mouths...did any kawhi fan said his the next jordan? lol enrique fans
Thanks for admitting to being a player fan b..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Mike James had the ability to score 20ppg. PPG means little. Kawhi won't score 20 ppg next season and he doesn't need to do it over a whole season. However, it'll be needed in stretches in case of injuries and resting players.

[Fireball]

not a matter of ability, but of circumstance ...

[YGWHI]

Do you want him to scale it back on D to put up 20 PPG? A lot of so called great players (Coughs Melo) Play no D, to save their energy..


Are we sure we want Kawhi averaging 20ppg? That didn't work out too well in the playoffs last year. Would prefer him to concentrate on D and just take the easy buckets the offense gives him like in 2014 where he averaged 16.

That didn't work well because all the team, except Duncan and Kawhi, played bad. One player can't win it alone, LeBron averaging almost 40ppg against the Warriors couldn't replace a whole team.

Kawhi is more just than a defender. He has the scoring potential-offensive versatility to be a two-way star in the league.
It wasn't a coincidence that Kawhi played great defense while carried the team on offense, his best defensive games in the series, the first 4 games, were his best offensive games too.
Redick took only 7 shots in game 3 missing 5 of them, in the first games he averaged 11 points 33%FG

I've said before the Spurs need to continue improving Kawhi offensively because they won't sign a top free agent every off-season, and can't afford to become reliant on one player to score. Even having LMA as #1, they'll still need to have other primary scorer like Kawhi on the team
About his scoring average? Kawhi is electric getting physical and he'll be more effective with the increased spacing in the paint this new season.

[SuperCam]

Does every kiwitard type like he's drooling over his keyboard with every stroke? Embarrassing, tbh.

[YGWHI]

it would help if enrique can actually defend anything to lessen the burden on kawhi/green or team defense...dude is a pos tbh

Well, some players can be two-way stars, play great on both ends, others not.

[Buddy Mignon]

And yet he's better than all of those players on your list. What's your point?


No he is not. Did you not see Matt Barnes destroy that braided hair pussy?

[Arcadian]

No he is not. Did you not see Matt Barnes destroy that braided hair pussy?

Is Matt Barnes capable of winning a Finals MVP?

No? Then shut the fuck up.

[AZK619]

These niggas are just salty Kiwi is getting all the attention, tbh. Talk about players fans, let it go. Tony's best days are behind him, he's a role player. :flag::lobt2:

[dabom]

These niggas are just salty Kiwi is getting all the attention, tbh. Talk about players fans, let it go. Tony's best days are behind him, he's a role player. :flag::lobt2:

At best tbh. :lmao

[SuperCam]

CROFL at you kiwitard faggots bringing a new alt aboard after the anal reaming that Brazil handed out yesterday

[Spurtacular]

Kawhi will average more than 20 ppg this season. And Alcoholic will think that's fodder for 100 threads.

[dbreiden83080]

That didn't work well because all the team, except Duncan and Kawhi, played bad. One player can't win it alone, LeBron averaging almost 40ppg against the Warriors couldn't replace a whole team.

Kawhi is more just than a defender. He has the scoring potential-offensive versatility to be a two-way star in the league.
It wasn't a coincidence that Kawhi played great defense while carried the team on offense, his best defensive games in the series, the first 4 games, were his best offensive games too.
Redick took only 7 shots in game 3 missing 5 of them, in the first games he averaged 11 points 33%FG

I've said before the Spurs need to continue improving Kawhi offensively because they won't sign a top free agent every off-season, and can't afford to become reliant on one player to score. Even having LMA as #1, they'll still need to have other primary scorer like Kawhi on the team
About his scoring average? Kawhi is electric getting physical and he'll be more effective with the increased spacing in the paint this new season.


In my opinion as long as he stays healthy, he is going to be like Scottie Pippen. He will put up 17 to 18 points per game and play great defense his entire career. He needs to improve his passing and some of the intangibles though if he ever wants to truly reach scotties status.

[urunobili]

LMAO at the retarded OP. Manu never averaged 20 ppg. :lol

Correct. When he lead the Spurs in scoring (just one season in his entire career) he averaged 19.4 IIRC

[Spurtacular]

Manu probably left more stats on the table than any other player in NBA history, tbh.

[Skull-1]

Manu probably left more stats on the table than any other player in NBA history, tbh.


:lol

[Buddy Mignon]

Manu probably left more stats on the table than any other player in NBA history, tbh.

Nope, Kobe did.

[Spurtacular]

Nope, Kobe did.

Are you counting all those bricks by the all-time bricker to figure that?

[YGWHI]

In my opinion as long as he stays healthy, he is going to be like Scottie Pippen. He will put up 17 to 18 points per game and play great defense his entire career. He needs to improve his passing and some of the intangibles though if he ever wants to truly reach scotties status.
Agreed. Scottie Pippen was the greatest perimeter defender all time, and it's amazing the similarity between their numbers.
Per 100 possessions
Scottie Pippen, 4th season, 25 years old: 24.3 points 9.9 rebounds, 8.5 asts, 3.2 steals, 1.5 blocks, 52%TS
Kawhi Leonard, 4th season, 23 years old: 26.6 points, 11.6 rebounds, 4.1 asts, 3.7 steals, 1.2 blocks, 56.7%TS

After his 6th season, Pippen scored +20ppg for the next four seasons, I can see Kawhi reach that scoring level after the Big3 are gone.

[Sean Cagney]

He is 23 years old and you are already saying this? He has accomplished a ton already for a 23 year old from Finals MVP to DPOY and will get a lot better IMO. Him not averaging 20 ppg yet is not a huge deal being he is so young and he has time to get there and will get better. You act like he is 30 year old for Gods sakes...... I like the Post above because I thought of Pippen too when reading the thread title.

[phxspurfan]

DeRozan, Jefferson, Deng, Marion, Hughes and both Butlers were better on offense than KL. Not taking away from KL, but he isn't an offensive juggernaut, just a great 2 way player.

[phxspurfan]

In my opinion as long as he stays healthy, he is going to be like Scottie Pippen. He will put up 17 to 18 points per game and play great defense his entire career. He needs to improve his passing and some of the intangibles though if he ever wants to truly reach scotties status.

this. a top notch second banana

[phxspurfan]

Do you want him to scale it back on D to put up 20 PPG? A lot of so called great players (Coughs Melo) Play no D, to save their energy..

but really, are you really comparing him to Melo

[apalisoc_9]

Can't wait for the new season to prove this dumbasses.

So many antiquated brain cells.

Kawhi averaged 20ppg in the last 25 games playing only 30 minutes.

had he played 36 like most of those stat padding goons he would averaged 23...

[Splits]

Is Sean Cagney the most vanilla, horrible poster on this board? His takes are so awful.

[Splits]

Can't wait for the new season to prove this dumbasses.

So many antiquated brain cells.

Kawhi averaged 20ppg in the last 25 games playing only 30 minutes.

had he played 36 like most of those stat padding goons he would averaged 23...

The problem is that stat-padding Kawhi, which is his natural tendency, is a net-negative on the team. We need him focusing on defense and letting the offense come to him via the system. Any time he tries to score outside of the system is bad for the team. I just hope his natural tendency for "being the man" subsides and he accepts his role as role player defensive guy who can occasionally score.

The last thing we need is Kawhi thinking he is a scorer.

[apalisoc_9]

The problem is that stat-padding Kawhi, which is his natural tendency, is a net-negative on the team. We need him focusing on defense and letting the offense come to him via the system. Any time he tries to score outside of the system is bad for the team. I just hope his natural tendency for "being the man" subsides and he accepts his role as role player defensive guy who can occasionally score.

The last thing we need is Kawhi thinking he is a scorer.

Had no idea he was net negative in the last two months as the number one player. I guess what 23-2? wasn't enough...

[apalisoc_9]

Is Sean Cagney the most vanilla, horrible poster on this board? His takes are so awful.

:lmao

[YGWHI]

Talking about horrible talkes

Any time he tries to score outside of the system is bad for the team.
Really? In 2014 55% of Kawhi points in playoffs were assisted, 45% of isos/out system plays didn't prevent the Spurs from winning #5, or stop him from playing great on both ends and win FMVP.



I just hope his natural tendency for "being the man" subsides and he accepts his role as role player defensive guy who can occasionally score.
Of course...:lol