hey guys why doesnt Saudi Arabia and other rich Gulf states take in Syrian refugees?

[in2deep]

aren't they awash with money? plus aren't they neighbors?

why do the Syrians go to Europe when excellent countries like Saudi and Gulf states have the economic means to help them?

why doesn't the US and Germany call up on them to contribute?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

aren't they awash with money? plus aren't they neighbors?

why do the Syrians go to Europe when excellent countries like Saudi and Gulf states have the economic means to help them?

why doesn't the US and Germany call up on them to contribute?

You are aware of the major economic crisis going on in the ME over the past decade? They had a baby boom and none of them can get jobs. Perhaps you heard about the series of revolutions recently?

[Splits]

It's a valid point. The neighboring states such as Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey (notice how Israel isn't listed) have taken millions of refugees despite being ill equipped to do so. Meanwhile, the rich oil gulf states offer no assistance whatsoever. Although to be fair, who would want to live in Saudi Arabia? Not much of an upgrade from Syria, especially if you're a woman.

This is Jordan's largest refugee camp, which would qualify as its 5th largest city.


http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5238ddab6bb3f7f334b56551-1200-800/ap219285385271.jpg

[RandomGuy]

aren't they awash with money? plus aren't they neighbors?

why do the Syrians go to Europe when excellent countries like Saudi and Gulf states have the economic means to help them?

why doesn't the US and Germany call up on them to contribute?

Lots of reasons.

Most of the refugees tend to be shia, and to a lesser extent, christian.

The Saudis are really, really racist, and really distrustful of shia, considering them apostates, and potential Iranian agents. (Iran = shia, Saudis = sunni)

The other really rich gulf states are tiny, and have few housing and infrastructure resources for large population influxes.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/arabs-criticise-regions-governments-after-syrian-refugee-deaths-685522901

I think they will come under some pressure to do more, as they should.

[hater]

Lots of reasons.

Most of the refugees tend to be shia, and to a lesser extent, christian.

The Saudis are really, really racist, and really distrustful of shia, considering them apostates, and potential Iranian agents. (Iran = shia, Saudis = sunni)

The other really rich gulf states are tiny, and have few housing and infrastructure resources for large population influxes.

wrong. most of the Syrian refugees are Sunni

try again

[hater]

the houses of Saud only care about 2 things. Money and Power. Since the Syrian refugees bring neither to the table, they are not even considered.

just remember the good ol US of A picked these houses to be their strongest allies (remember Obama and Bush bowing to the Saud kings)

and ppl ask why the Middle East is so fucked up :lol we engineered it that way :lol

[hater]

Syria is soaked in blood. Oil prices internationally are falling. And a new U.S.-led nuclear deal with Iran is forcing most of America’s greatest friends in the Middle East to choose between alienating their longtime patron and unshackling a despised Islamic Republic they see as the source of their regional problems.

Amid this uncertainty, traditional U.S. partners in the region are beginning to feel American retrenchment and are turning to a key U.S. rival for steady international support. Among them is the principal regional ally, Saudi Arabia, whose monarch’s meeting in the Oval Office on Friday will likely determine the extent of future cooperation.

“This visit could potentially be a turning point in Saudi-U.S. relations,” says Fahad Nazer, a former political analyst at the Saudi Embassy in Washington.

The visit comes as the Saudi government has made notable overtures toward Moscow in recent months. Officials in the kingdom announced in July a plan to invest roughly $10 billion in Russia as a part of an investment fund – a curious if not shrewd scheme to capitalize on Russia’s economic slowdown amid a downturn in oil prices, as well as European and U.S. sanctions designed to cripple its economy as punishment for meddling in Ukraine.


big meeting coming up this Friday between Obama and the new Saud King.

Looks like Saudi is already threatening to go pander to Russia and leave the US in the dust if Obama and co don't change the tune on Iran and Syria.

they want their war. and they want Americans to fight it for them

[m>s]

Fuck those n!ggers I ain't fighting shit. Rather fight for the Russians tbh. Them Cozying up to Russia makes no sense..Russia fully supports both Syria and Iran

[hater]

Fuck those n!ggers I ain't fighting shit. Rather fight for the Russians tbh. Them Cozying up to Russia makes no sense..Russia fully supports both Syria and Iran

Saudi wants direct weapon sales from Russia.

DOn't be fooled. If they are going to dump Uncle Sam they will be armed to the teeth and pretty much Russia is the only other weapon salesman tbqh

any other day Russia would tell the Sauds to go fucke themselves. But thanks to Europe and Uncle Sam tightening the economic belt on Russia, they are basically forced to accept the Sauds unloading on their face

[Warlord23]

The fact that Western governments continue to handle Saudi Arabia with kid gloves is scandalous to say the least. Here is a country that is the fountainhead of Sunni terrorism, that has spent by some estimates 100 billion+ over the years to spread Wahhabi propaganda across Muslim and non-Muslim countries. The country that ideologically gave birth to Al Qaeda, ISIS and numerous terrorist organisations. There are wikileaks cables wherein the US government admits that Saudi Arabia is responsible for extremist Islam. 28 pages of the 9/11 Senate report were redacted without the knowledge or consent of the authoring Senator because they point to Saudi Arabia's role as financiers of the 9/11 attackers.

Americans should be holding their politicans' feet to the fire on why they continue to enable the biggest backer of Islamic terrorism. Instead they waste time on partisan nonsense like Obama's birth certificate, Benghazi, the Koch brothers and other assorted red herrings.

[boutons_deux]

America broke the Middle East, so America should have been taking Iraqis (who helped the US military) and Afghanis (same), and should be taking 100Ks of the current refugee wave.

America broke it, but refuses to own it.

Now the shit storm of refugees from America's criminal, bungled wars are overrunning America's allies, and friends.

"Why Do They Hate Us?"

[Nbadan]

The fact that Western governments continue to handle Saudi Arabia with kid gloves is scandalous to say the least. Here is a country that is the fountainhead of Sunni terrorism, that has spent by some estimates 100 billion+ over the years to spread Wahhabi propaganda across Muslim and non-Muslim countries. The country that ideologically gave birth to Al Qaeda, ISIS and numerous terrorist organisations. There are wikileaks cables wherein the US government admits that Saudi Arabia is responsible for extremist Islam. 28 pages of the 9/11 Senate report were redacted without the knowledge or consent of the authoring Senator because they point to Saudi Arabia's role as financiers of the 9/11 attackers.

Americans should be holding their politicans' feet to the fire on why they continue to enable the biggest backer of Islamic terrorism. Instead they waste time on partisan nonsense like Obama's birth certificate, Benghazi, the Koch brothers and other assorted red herrings.

:clap Don't forget that 14 of the 19 murderers were from Saudi Arabia...

[boutons_deux]

Germany taking 800K refugees this year.

America, Christ Loving America, that caused the refugee crisis, taking how many?

[pgardn]

Germany taking 800K refugees this year.

America, Christ Loving America, that caused the refugee crisis, taking how many?

Which Democrat is pushing for 800k refugees and brought the issue to the political forefront?

[boutons_deux]

Which Democrat is pushing for 800k refugees and brought the issue to the political forefront?

None that I know of. So what?

Repugs broke the M/E, they should take the lead in owning the refugee disaster they created.

[Splits]

None that I know of. So what?

Repugs broke the M/E, they should take the lead in owning the refugee disaster they created.

Agreed. The US should take their fair share of refugees. Germany has taken over 100k. We should be able to absorb at least 1-2 million considering the US is directly responsible for the Syrian civil war and continue to bomb the shit out of their civilian population centers with impunity, killing men women and children with our freedom bombs.

[m>s]

All hell is breaking loose over there right now. Kill them all

[DarrinS]

Agreed. The US should take their fair share of refugees. Germany has taken over 100k. We should be able to absorb at least 1-2 million considering the US is directly responsible for the Syrian civil war and continue to bomb the shit out of their civilian population centers with impunity, killing men women and children with our freedom bombs.

f that. Let them stay over there.

[hater]

The ppl that are critizing the countries for not taking in immigrants are willing to host at least 1 immigrant family in their houses right?

Splits how is your application to receive a Syrian family going?

[hater]

How about u boutons? How many Syrians are you receiving at your home?

[RandomGuy]

wrong. most of the Syrian refugees are Sunni

try again

Sure, I will be happy to admit my understanding of the demographics is a bit unclear, and probably should have made that explicit in my statement.

Do you have some news articles that show this? I would prefer my understanding be a bit better, since it seems important to the issue.

[RandomGuy]

How about u boutons? How many Syrians are you receiving at your home?

I am in the process of setting up a crowdsourcing thing to help out. I can't send funds directly, but there are some greeks who are feeding and sheltering a lot of people washing up on shore out of their own pocket who could use the help.

It seems important.

RBQ-IoHfimQ

[RandomGuy]

f that. Let them stay over there.

People who need help, need help. Worrying about the racial or religious background of someone drowning when considering to help them, makes you a fuckwad, and arguably evil.

Is that what you are saying? "Can't have them here, because [racial/religious reason]"?

[RandomGuy]

Which Democrat is pushing for 800k refugees and brought the issue to the political forefront?

I would be willing to bet you could probably get Bernie on record as wanting to. He generally supports immigration, especially of people fleeing for their lives.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/video-audio/a-refugee-situation

I would further be willing to bet you could get Elizibeth Warren as well.


Hell, since this is a basketball forum, let's see if we can find a basketball player's take on the differences between the parties:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/02/kareem-abdul-jabbar-this-is-the-difference-between-donald-trump-and-bernie-sanders/

[hater]

Sure, I will be happy to admit my understanding of the demographics is a bit unclear, and probably should have made that explicit in my statement.

Do you have some news articles that show this? I would prefer my understanding be a bit better, since it seems important to the issue.

:tu plenty of articles on the subject a google search will point you in the right direction.

The guardian has a few good ones

[hater]

I am in the process of setting up a crowdsourcing thing to help out. I can't send funds directly, but there are some greeks who are feeding and sheltering a lot of people washing up on shore out of their own pocket who could use the help.

It seems important.

RBQ-IoHfimQ


That's great man :tu better than nothing.

I have bad experiences donating money to 3rd parties tbh. I donated a lot when earthquake struck Haiti and when there was those millions of Africans starving a few years ago. Both times I found out my money barely got to their destination.

Still thou unless you are physically willing to host a Syrian family I don't think any of us can truly critizize any other country. Euro or not

[m>s]

I am in the process of setting up a crowdsourcing thing to help out. I can't send funds directly, but there are some greeks who are feeding and sheltering a lot of people washing up on shore out of their own pocket who could use the help.

It seems important.

RBQ-IoHfimQyou are a literal piece of shit and a traitor. I really hope you fucking die, go kill yourself.

[m>s]

People who need help, need help. Worrying about the racial or religious background of someone drowning when considering to help them, makes you a fuckwad, and arguably evil.

Is that what you are saying? "Can't have them here, because [racial/religious reason]"?
If they need so much help then why are they 90% young able bodied men wearing nice clothes and carrying smartphones? If it's just to escape war and danger then why not stop at the first country, why cross several more to reach Germany and Sweden? These people are economic opportunists and you are a traitor to your own kind for aiding and abetting this.

[RandomGuy]

you are a literal piece of shit and a traitor. I really hope you fucking die, go kill yourself.

Literal or liberal?

Your spelling tends to be a bit careless, so I'm not exactly sure how you are attempting to insult me.

Truth be told, you thinking that of me is a badge of honor, given you are demonstrably evil.

[RandomGuy]

That's great man :tu better than nothing.

I have bad experiences donating money to 3rd parties tbh. I donated a lot when earthquake struck Haiti and when there was those millions of Africans starving a few years ago. Both times I found out my money barely got to their destination.

Still thou unless you are physically willing to host a Syrian family I don't think any of us can truly critizize any other country. Euro or not

I would be happy to, actually. More on the Europeans, since they are closer.

Still I share the scandanavian urge to help. In that, despite pm>s says, I am more true to my germanic roots than he is, and I would certainly be a better christian, an obvious irony that is lost on the man.

[m>s]

Literal or liberal?

Your spelling tends to be a bit careless, so I'm not exactly sure how you are attempting to insult me.

Truth be told, you thinking that of me is a badge of honor, given you are demonstrably evil.
We live in a fucked up world when honor and virtue are considered evil. The real evil is the Islamic plague pouring into my heimat. We Europeans are going to fight and the Germans are going to keep burning down the migrant storage facilities. 160 cases of arson this year and counting. Big props to Germany for actually doing something about their situation.

[RandomGuy]

If they need so much help then why are they 90% young able bodied men wearing nice clothes and carrying smartphones? If it's just to escape war and danger then why not stop at the first country, why cross several more to reach Germany and Sweden? These people are economic opportunists and you are a traitor to your own kind for aiding and abetting this.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-55e7809f/turbine/la-fg-syria-drowned-toddler-20150902

I would guess that, based on the actual interviews many of them that don't have their kids are supporting them in hiding, although I would think based on the casualties and actual evidence, that your made up statistic on which you base your beliefs, is somewhat contrary to reality.

Much like a lot of your stupid beliefs are.

[RandomGuy]

We live in a fucked up world when honor and virtue are considered evil. The real evil is the Islamic plague pouring into my heimat. We Europeans are going to fight and the Germans are going to keep burning down the migrant storage facilities. 160 cases of arson this year and counting. Big props to Germany for actually doing something about their situation.

Define "evil", dimwit.

[m>s]

I would be happy to, actually. More on the Europeans, since they are closer.

Still I share the scandanavian urge to help. In that, despite pm>s says, I am more true to my germanic roots than he is, and I would certainly be a better christian, an obvious irony that is lost on the man.
Thank goodness the FBI won't let nuts like you import any terrorists. Mohammad a good boy he dindu nuffin

[RandomGuy]

why are they 90% young able bodied men wearing nice clothes and carrying smartphones?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150903120900-restricted-01-migrant-crisis-super-169.jpg

[m>s]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-55e7809f/turbine/la-fg-syria-drowned-toddler-20150902

I would guess that, based on the actual interviews many of them that don't have their kids are supporting them in hiding, although I would think based on the casualties and actual evidence, that your made up statistic on which you base your beliefs, is somewhat contrary to reality.

Much like a lot of your stupid beliefs are.bullshit, bull fucking shit. You're cherry picking just as hard as the media with that pic. Come down here to the train station and show me all the women and kids you fucking do-gooder white guilt ridden cuckold.

[RandomGuy]

Thank goodness the FBI won't let nuts like you import any terrorists. Mohammad a good boy he dindu nuffin

So you can't really define "evil"?

[RandomGuy]

why are they 90% young able bodied men wearing nice clothes and carrying smartphones?

http://www.unhcr.org/thumb1/558132a96.jpg

pms is scared of babies...

[RandomGuy]

bullshit, bull fucking shit. You're cherry picking just as hard as the media with that pic. Come down here to the train station and show me all the women and kids you fucking do-gooder white guilt ridden cuckold.

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10483774.ece/alternates/w460/refugees1.jpg

Well, all I have to do is show, even cherry-picking that your 90% figure is pulled out of your ass, like much of what you construct about reality. That is why you stink. Literally.

[RandomGuy]

bullshit, bull fucking shit. You're cherry picking just as hard as the media with that pic. Come down here to the train station and show me all the women and kids you fucking do-gooder white guilt ridden cuckold.

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150903&t=2&i=1076643988&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEB820M0

[m>s]

There is literally no proof that anyone in those photos are even migrants. I'm going to show you some fucking photos when I'm at a computer

[RandomGuy]

bullshit, bull fucking shit. You're cherry picking just as hard as the media with that pic. Come down here to the train station and show me all the women and kids you fucking do-gooder white guilt ridden cuckold.

http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embedded_full/public/2015/09/02/0902arrivalshungary3.JPG

I know I am terrified, so I can't blame you for wetting your pants. Look at them ready to take our blankets...

[RandomGuy]

bullshit, bull fucking shit. You're cherry picking just as hard as the media with that pic. Come down here to the train station and show me all the women and kids you fucking do-gooder white guilt ridden cuckold.

[Ihttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03425/Teddies_handed_out_3425545n.jpg

Maybe you are scared they are coming for your teddy bear?

Big scary children... BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA...

[m>s]

Random cuckold you're so generous that you gave up your wife to poor oppressed minority men

[m>s]

Remember when your wife summers was on here talking about open relationships? Disrespectful as all hell

[RandomGuy]

There is literally no proof that anyone in those photos are even migrants. I'm going to show you some fucking photos when I'm at a computer

Read the URLs braintrust scardy pants. Not quite too hard to find the source data.

[RandomGuy]

Remember when your wife summers was ok here talking about open relationships? Disrespectful as all hell

https://i.imgur.com/DqIJ5Ex.jpg

Translation:
"I am in full retreat"

You can't argue facts... so you resort to ad hominem.

Do you always use bad logic to determine what is true, or just this one time?

[m>s]

Read the URLs braintrust scardy pants. Not quite too hard to find the source data.
Leftistshill.blogspot.com? Proves nothing dipshit

[RandomGuy]

Random cuckold you're so generous that you gave up your wife to poor oppressed minority men

Still waiting on you to define "evil".

If you can hold a coherent thought long enough. If not, I guess I can give up on that, i'm not going to be disappointed, since I don't expect much.

[RandomGuy]

Thank goodness the FBI won't let nuts like you import any terrorists. Mohammad a good boy he dindu nuffin

Islam is arguably more stupid than Christianity. Sorry, not going to defend it, but it is funny you think that I might. Really.

[m>s]

https://i.imgur.com/DqIJ5Ex.jpg

Translation:
"I am in full retreat"

You can't argue facts... so you resort to ad hominem.

Do you always use bad logic to determine what is true, or just this one time?
The truth is all of those kids will either grow up to behead infidels or pump 10 new sandn!ggers out of their wombs. Then they'll democratically vote in shariah and we are all fucked. You're just a simpleton pleb accountant masquerading as a smart guy and you know jack shit about politics and power.

[m>s]

Still waiting on you to define "evil".

If you can hold a coherent thought long enough. If not, I guess I can give up on that, i'm not going to be disappointed, since I don't expect much.
Muh ad hominem. Guess the cuck jab stung since you turned around and did the same thing. Not such a do-gooder after all.

[m>s]

Islam is arguably more stupid than Christianity. Sorry, not going to defend it, but it is funny you think that I might. Really.
Lol arguably

[m>s]

90% young men


http://youtu.be/DpYCHmZYOEA

[RandomGuy]

90% young men


http://youtu.be/DpYCHmZYOEA

Because women and children do so much protesting...

[m>s]

Because women and children do so much protesting...
Count women and children.

[RandomGuy]

Muh ad hominem. Guess the cuck jab stung since you turned around and did the same thing. Not such a do-gooder after all.

http://orig10.deviantart.net/4395/f/2013/141/e/f/picard_facepalm_by_nocturnalmarauder-d661t3i.jpg

You aren't wrong because you are a moron.

There is a bit of a difference between simply insulting someone, douchenozzle, and saying they are wrong because of some trait.

You could be a complete douchebag and still be right when you say the sky is blue.

I am merely asking you to define evil, and expressing a doubt as to whether you can hold a coherent thought long enough to do so. Your spluttering insults, and general inability to actually define evil... .prove me right.

[m>s]

It's not a protest it's a bunch
of immigrants chimping out demanding to be able to move on to Germany. That's where all the immigrants are. Notice there's no women and children. No they didn't go down the street and stage a separate protest away from the women and children. That's just the situation on the ground that you see.

now get counting cuck, you bean counter. Tell me how many women and children you see or you don't get to be taken seriously.

[m>s]

http://orig10.deviantart.net/4395/f/2013/141/e/f/picard_facepalm_by_nocturnalmarauder-d661t3i.jpg

You aren't wrong because you are a moron.

There is a bit of a difference between simply insulting someone, douchenozzle, and saying they are wrong because of some trait.

You could be a complete douchebag and still be right when you say the sky is blue.

I am merely asking you to define evil, and expressing a doubt as to whether you can hold a coherent thought long enough to do so. Your spluttering insults, and general inability to actually define evil... .prove me right.i don't dance for cucks, COUNT.

[RandomGuy]

Count women and children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

None.

Do you think that picture of a few hundred people is representative of the hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into Europe from Syria? Why or why not?

[m>s]

It wasnt a picture it was a video shot of the situation on the ground RIGHT NOW. You're scrambling because oddly enough there are no women and children to be seen. Say what you will be I always say what I believe to be the truth. It's called integrity. You're a cheap liar with an agenda.

[RandomGuy]

i don't dance for cucks, COUNT.

You are dancing now, monkey.

Splutter, splutter splutter.

[RandomGuy]

It wasnt a picture it was a video shot of the situation on the ground RIGHT NOW. You're scrambling because oddly enough there are no women and children to be seen. Say what you will be I always say what I believe to be the truth. It's called integrity. You're a cheap liar with an agenda.

Not really what I asked, geenyus.

Do you think that picture of a few hundred people is representative of the hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into Europe from Syria? Why or why not?

[m>s]

Count cuckula

[RandomGuy]

Count cuckula

So simple questions like "what is evil" and "Do you think that picture of a few hundred people is representative of the hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into Europe from Syria? Why or why not?" are beyond you.

Gotcha.

Doesn't it bother you that you are unable to answer simple questions?

[RandomGuy]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/61/48/c26148cc64f478959132b833aa875343.jpg

You're not quite down there with mouse, but you are definitely not able to do enough adequate critical thinking to rationally justify your belief system. That you think you are, and you simply believe everything you read on the websites you like says volumes.

[m>s]

Unable /= unwilling

if you want favors and requests then you gotta count, cuck. Count the rumen and children in the video and tell me. That video was shot recently.

[hater]

What the fuck is up with these refugees fighting off local police breaking barriers and not listening to orders? Never seen this type of refugees before.

You are a fucking war refugee. Be thankful for what u are getting. What the fuck you want? A room at the Marriott in Berlin??

[m>s]

What the fuck is up with these refugees fighting off local police breaking barriers and not listening to orders? Never seen this type of refugees before.

You are a fucking war refugee. Be thankful for what u are getting. What the fuck you want? A room at the Marriott in Berlin??
They're not war refugees they'd are entitlement minded assjoles and you bet a few Isis are in their midst. Honestly If I were in power id mow them all down and of the UN cried about it id Nuke their headquarters.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://www.trbimg.com/img-55e7809f/turbine/la-fg-syria-drowned-toddler-20150902

I would guess that, based on the actual interviews many of them that don't have their kids are supporting them in hiding, although I would think based on the casualties and actual evidence, that your made up statistic on which you base your beliefs, is somewhat contrary to reality.

Much like a lot of your stupid beliefs are.

Ill just leave this right here

QZUuoaq1MLM

[m>s]

Starving george Soros funded Refugees throwing away food

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=344_1441354394#MkkvCEDHGsrorcYS.99 (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liveleak.com%2Fview%3 Fi%3D344_1441354394%23MkkvCEDHGsrorcYS.99)

[hater]

Damn come to think of it. What if even 1% of these "refugees" were ISIS cells???

That would mean Europe is being infected with thousands of cells! Damn

[RandomGuy]

Unable /= unwilling


Someone unable to answer a question would say they didn't want to, if they wanted to cover for their own ignorance and stupidity.

Not convinced.

"I could do that, but I won't".... :lmao

Junior high school was a long time ago.

[RandomGuy]

Damn come to think of it. What if even 1% of these "refugees" were ISIS cells???

That would mean Europe is being infected with thousands of cells! Damn

Possible that some are.

Doesn't change my calculus though. The balance of good in helping 99% of those who really need it, far outweighs any danger from the nutters. Unless one is a coward, and thinks that doing the good and virtuous thing is only worthwhile if it involves no danger to oneself.

[RandomGuy]

Starving george Soros funded Refugees throwing away food

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=344_1441354394#MkkvCEDHGsrorcYS.99 (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liveleak.com%2Fview%3 Fi%3D344_1441354394%23MkkvCEDHGsrorcYS.99)

4chan.... nope.

[apalisoc_9]

Saudi Arabia is smart it seems.

None of the arabs leaders want these refugess save for Jordan and Turkey cause they want the same people to spread Islam. It's going to start o with a 1000 people or so...50 years from now though they're going to have a strong a voice in their adopted countries politics.

[m>s]

Saudi Arabia is smart it seems.

None of the arabs leaders want these refugess save for Jordan and Turkey cause they want the same people to spread Islam. It's going to start o with a 1000 people or so...50 years from now though they're going to have a strong a voice in their adopted countries politics.
This man gets it except it'll never get that far, they'll all be killed or deported soon

[apalisoc_9]

This man gets it except it'll never get that far, they'll all be killed or deported soon

Not going to happen son.

Saudi Arabia shells out under the table money and political soothing to these countries to allow immigration. People still don't realize how influential this bedouin country is..Europ needs the money these Saudis shell out to buy Weapons and other stuff..srs. It's all about the money.

This is something the Jews and The Mozzie heavily agree on...Greece might end up becoming a muslim country in less than century....

Even if a war like you so wish for happens, It's only going to result to more immigration. No war has ended in total elimination. Every war whose purpose is racial elimination has led to acclimation. It always fires back.

[m>s]

You're wrong and I don't have time tight now to argue

[apalisoc_9]

You're wrong and I don't have time tight now to argue

Or you can't :lmao

Faxe it. The US and Europe is the Afghanistan of the future..A country full of mixed raced Individuals.

[m>s]

Europeans are very good at genocide this is why you are wrong. This time we're not stopping our crusade eastward until round eyes turn to slanty eyes.

[apalisoc_9]

Europeans are very good at genocide this is why you are wrong. This time we're not stopping our crusade eastward until round eyes turn to slanty eyes.

100% agree with you there.

[ChumpDumper]

The Gulf states are already full of immigrants. Those are the people who do all the work for them.

And lol at m<s claiming he's at the train stati:cryn and having to "get to a computer" to post someone else's video.

What's the matter with the camera in your phone?

[hater]

The Gulf states are already full of immigrants. Those are the people who do all the work for them.

And lol at m<s claiming he's at the train stati:cryn and having to "get to a computer" to post someone else's video.

What's the matter with the camera in your phone?

:lol full of immigrants. And Europe is not? Bad take

[hater]

Possible that some are.

Doesn't change my calculus though. The balance of good in helping 99% of those who really need it, far outweighs any danger from the nutters. Unless one is a coward, and thinks that doing the good and virtuous thing is only worthwhile if it involves no danger to oneself.

This is prett much ISIS strategy. It's a plan that can't fail. Europe is fucked.

[Infinite_limit]

This is prett much ISIS strategy. It's a plan that can't fail. Europe is fucked.
Let's be honest. It's a UK & France problem. They are screwed regardless. Were screwed before :lol

Then nations like Germany, Belgium, & Holland have also gone overboard in recent history but are more level headed and the numbers just aren't there

The rest of the Continent is fine. Italy is racist enough to rebound.



> Funniest is reading Brits labeling Hungarians as savages for not providing X,Y, and Z to the refugees. We have seen this play out countless times with England


Today, Brits allow in immigrants/refugees while acting self-righteous

Tomorrow, Brits return to blowing up their homes because they are "backwards and trying to hurt Britain"

[Pelicans78]

No reason for the Saudis or other gulf states to take in refugees. It can lead to destabilization immediately and especially over time. Europe needs to push these people out. Same with Turkey and Arab states.

[boutons_deux]

America can't solve its own self-caused (NAFTA, War on Drugs) illegal immigration problem, so certainly it won't help solve the horrendous refugee crisis it created in Europe and M/E.

Similar to every American being a suspect of anything and forced to go through security farce at airports, Repugs will block any attempt to accept M/E refugees since they are all jihadi terrorists.

Repugs wouldn't even allow GITMO prisoners to be transferred to US super-max prisons because of their chickenshit fear that terrorists would attack the super-max prisons.

Anybody hear if US/UK BigOil is helping cover its external costs of the European refugee crisis caused by US/UK destabilizing the M/E for BigOil profits?

BigOil execs, counting their $Bs from pumping Iraqi oil, must be ROFLMAO, along with dickhead Cheney, at the M/E refugee disaster they caused.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol full of immigrants. And Europe is not? Bad takeI'm just saying what the situation there is.

Are you somehow arguing that the gulf states are not full of immigrants who do the work for them?

Give us all your take. Enlighten us.

[hater]

I'm just saying what the situation there is.

Are you somehow arguing that the gulf states are not full of immigrants who do the work for them?

Give us all your take. Enlighten us.

It's a bad take cause it is a bad answer to OPs question. I already stated why Saud doesn't even want to touch them fugees

[boutons_deux]

After welcoming the US criminal invaders with open arms and tasting the delicious post-Saddam Iraqi democracy and Pax Americana ...

With Eyes On Europe, Iraqis Line Up To Leave Baghdad

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/09/05/437727526/with-eyes-on-europe-iraqis-line-up-to-leave-baghdad

[hater]

Lol Europe is so fucked. Thanks to mainstream and social media they are going to Europe in hordes.

Holy shit what a monumental fuckup. Thank goodness there's a huge ocean between the barbarian hordes and America :lol

[ChumpDumper]

It's a bad take cause it is a bad answer to OPs question. I already stated why Saud doesn't even want to touch them fugeesSo you stipulate the Gulf states are already full of immigrants who do their work.

It's a good take.

[hater]

So you stipulate the Gulf states are already full of immigrants who do their work.

.

Nope.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope.You're saying the Gulf states do not have immigrants doing most of their work for them?

[hater]

I'm saying you had an incorrect answer to the OPs question. Regroup and try again.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying you had an incorrect answer to the OPs question. Regroup and try again.So you stipulate the Gulf states are already full of immigrants who do their work.

OK.

[hater]

Nope.

It's ok to have a bad take btw. No need to be all butthurt about it.

[apalisoc_9]

So you stipulate the Gulf states are already full of immigrants who do their work.

It's a good take.

Gulf states don'tt have immigrants. They have foreign workers with 2-5 years contract

[ChumpDumper]

Gulf states don'tt have immigrants. They have foreign workers with 2-5 years contractOK, great.

The Gulf states are full of foreign workers on contracts.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope.

It's ok to have a bad take btw. No need to be all butthurt about it.It's OK to contradict yourself with every post. No need to be butthurt about it.

[hater]

:cry my takes is gud :cry

[ChumpDumper]

It's certainly undisputed.

[boutons_deux]

Wealthy Gulf Nations Are Criticized for Tepid Response to Syrian Refugee Crisis

as millions of Syrian refugees languish elsewhere in the Middle East and many have risked their lives to reach Europe or died along the way, Gulf nations have agreed to resettle only a surprisingly small number of refugees.

Accenting that criticism are the deep but shadowy roles countries like Qatar (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/qatar/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) andSaudi Arabia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/saudiarabia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) have played in Syria (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/syria/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) by bankrolling rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

“Burden sharing has no meaning in the Gulf, and the Saudi, Emirati and Qatari approach has been to sign a check and let everyone else deal with it,”

And wealthy Gulf citizens — with or without their governments’ knowledge — have helped fund the rise of Syria’s jihadists, according to American officials.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/06/world/gulf-monarchies-bristle-at-criticism-over-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis.html?_r=0

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t34.0-12/11938921_10154338776333018_432061772_n.jpg?oh=c0a5 bfed0100d82095a9b57ecf9a3124&oe=55EE74D5

[Ginobilly]

why do you even argue with people m>s? Deep down they know you're telling the truth. They just do it to fuck with you because you easily get riled up over these topics. Just like I know( I take calls and travel all over south texas for my business) the majority of illegals that pour into the southwest are like 70% able bodied 17-50 year old men. Let's say that it starts off 50/50 men/women, but along the way, women and young girls get kidnapped, raped, and killed by los zetas,( who control the Mexican border) and a lot of times by other immigrants.

[Ginobilly]

these mofos just want to goto britain, sweden or germany due to the welfare benefits one can received....

And to rape white girls and only get probation for it.:lmao meanwhile, if a white Euro guy does that, he's a sex offender for life and will not be able to ever get a job and much less a girlfriend.
Meanwhile, while mohammed is on probation, the german gov will pay for his tech school training or give him a loan to start a corner store business.:lmao Germany/Sweden/Britian cucking their own male citizens out of existence. Dark times are coming for Euro's cause these guys when they grow up don't give a shit about human rights, women rights, free speech, fag rights, animal rights, etc. :lmao countries not realizing how biology works. Men compete with other Men for resources and for women like forever.

[boutons_deux]

Pope Calls on All of Europe’s Catholics to House Refugees

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/world/europe/pope-calls-on-europeans-to-house-refugees.html?_r=0

Any American Protestant money grubbing, scamming televangelists or other American Protestant leaders echoing the Pope's call?

Did any of them take a stand against the USA destabilizing the M/E?

[Will Hunting]

Agreed. The US should take their fair share of refugees. Germany has taken over 100k. We should be able to absorb at least 1-2 million considering the US is directly responsible for the Syrian civil war and continue to bomb the shit out of their civilian population centers with impunity, killing men women and children with our freedom bombs.

So who's gonna pay for the care of these refugees if we take them. I think most Americans have a lot other ways they want their tax dollars spent.

[baseline bum]

I can't believe Germany is taking these motherfuckers in. Who the fuck wants millions of muslims coming into their country bringing in their fucked up religion so they can trash their new countries too?

[m>s]

why do you even argue with people m>s? Deep down they know you're telling the truth. They just do it to fuck with you because you easily get riled up over these topics. Just like I know( I take calls and travel all over south texas for my business) the majority of illegals that pour into the southwest are like 70% able bodied 17-50 year old men. Let's say that it starts off 50/50 men/women, but along the way, women and young girls get kidnapped, raped, and killed by los zetas,( who control the Mexican border) and a lot of times by other immigrants.


And to rape white girls and only get probation for it.:lmao meanwhile, if a white Euro guy does that, he's a sex offender for life and will not be able to ever get a job and much less a girlfriend.
Meanwhile, while mohammed is on probation, the german gov will pay for his tech school training or give him a loan to start a corner store business.:lmao Germany/Sweden/Britian cucking their own male citizens out of existence. Dark times are coming for Euro's cause these guys when they grow up don't give a shit about human rights, women rights, free speech, fag rights, animal rights, etc. :lmao countries not realizing how biology works. Men compete with other Men for resources and for women like forever.
Truth nukes, I do this because we have to change the narrative and political discussion. Right now the media tells everyone that everything is great, I'm here to wake people up and show them what is really happening. I want nothing short of new nationalistic governments in every western nation.

[m>s]

I can't believe Germany is taking these motherfuckers in. Who the fuck wants millions of muslims coming into their country bringing in their fucked up religion so they can trash their new countries too?
I can't believe that all we've seen is 160 cases of arson and no one has gone full breivik yet. I read several articles recently already talking about the "new Germany" and how this the nation is being forever drastically changed and how it is a "good thing." I can't be the one to do everything for them but I am more than willing to fight alongside my racial brothers when they do decide to take action. It is every white mans duty to stir the pot until we get real change.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Pope Calls on All of Europe’s Catholics to House Refugees

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/world/europe/pope-calls-on-europeans-to-house-refugees.html?_r=0

Any American Protestant money grubbing, scamming televangelists or other American Protestant leaders echoing the Pope's call?

Did any of them take a stand against the USA destabilizing the M/E?



Let us know when you start welcoming them into your house first dear.

[m>s]

Let us know when you start welcoming them into your house first dear.
he's a kike shill he knows better than to allow muzzies into his house

[boutons_deux]

Let us know when you start welcoming them into your house first dear.

G F Y

[m>s]

G F Y
Yeah he got you there boy

[Pelicans78]

G F Y

Why you mad?

[hater]

Still waiting on posters receiving Syrian families at their homes. Anyone?

[Th'Pusher]

This is pretty cool http://pejl.svt.se/flyktingstrommar-en/

[Splits]

Finally, a couple of brave pols take an unpopular, yet moral, stance:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/242873-senate-dems-call-on-obama-to-resettle-6k-syrian-refugees (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/242873-senate-dems-call-on-obama-to-resettle-6k-syrian-refugees)

64k Syrian refugees may be on their way next year, and the admin doesn't even need Congress to vote on it :lol

Stick em in those states with no people but 2 senators like the Dakotas, Wyoming, Idaho, etc. Make those faggot States earn their over representation in Congress.

[baseline bum]

Fuck that shit

[m>s]

I dunno what to suggest anymore other than revolution. Crazies have is held hostage. Importing jihadists? We can't allow it

[boutons_deux]

Fuck that shit

If you supported the criminal US/UK invasion of Iraq for oil, then why don't you support the refugees "your" war created?

"Why Do They Hate Us?"

[baseline bum]

If you supported the criminal US/UK invasion of Iraq for oil, then why don't you support the refugees "your" war created?

"Why Do They Hate Us?"

Are you fucking retarded? I didn't support Bush's piece of shit war.

[boutons_deux]

Are you fucking retarded? I didn't support Bush's piece of shit war.

I said "if".

[hater]

How many Syrian families have been housed by spurstalk posters?

[ChumpDumper]

How many Syrian families have been housed by spurstalk posters?Roughly as many as adopted babies who would have been otherwise aborted.

[m>s]

I never knew that Syrian families were blacker than my shit

[RandomGuy]

This is prett much ISIS strategy. It's a plan that can't fail. Europe is fucked.

http://gallery.rennlist.com/albums/Drama/oh_the_drama.thumb.jpg

Meh. Hundreds of millions of people are awfully hard to kill with once a year mass shootings.

[RandomGuy]

I dunno what to suggest anymore other than revolution. Crazies have is held hostage. Importing jihadists? We can't allow it

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00355/116471874_sy_355329b.jpg

I can see why you are scared.

People's impulse to help and actual moral actions, might show how morally bankrupt right-wing nationalists really are.

Humans evolved as a social species, and that has consequences. Go against the moral impulse to help, and you make it a lot easier to marginalize such views, rightfully so. You are your own worst enemy, which is an irony you may never fully grasp.

[hater]

http://gallery.rennlist.com/albums/Drama/oh_the_drama.thumb.jpg

Meh. Hundreds of millions of people are awfully hard to kill with once a year mass shootings.

psychological effects, economic turmoils as well as personal freedoms are hugely affected by even 1 terrorist attack.

just look as US pre- and post- 911. totally different countries

[baseline bum]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00355/116471874_sy_355329b.jpg

I can see why you are scared.

People's impulse to help and actual moral actions, might show how morally bankrupt right-wing nationalists really are.

Humans evolved as a social species, and that has consequences. Go against the moral impulse to help, and you make it a lot easier to marginalize such views, rightfully so. You are your own worst enemy, which is an irony you may never fully grasp.

I don't want them in the US. Islam destroys everything it touches. As much as I'm not a fan of Christianity, Islam is so much worse.

[hater]

The Gulf States could easily accept up to three million refugees from Syria, but the problem is that they seem to prefer funding armed groups, including those in Syria, rather than assist people feeling the war, says Ali Al-Ahmed, Director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs.

Political analyst Daniel Patrick Welch on military action in Syria that some leaders still push for: “It is clear that [Western military actions] are creating these refugees. All of these wars of conquest and of choice against Libya, against Yemen, against Syria, against Iraq, against Afghanistan have all destabilized the region. And these are all the ones that Europe has happily participated in. And European populations also have happily gone along with the first invasion of Iraq in the beginning. Everything else has been a cakewalk.”

it's europe's fuckup. let them deal with it

[hater]

As of today, the UK is 94% empty. We have 1m empty properties. We can house 800k refugees at the drop of a hat. All we need is the will.

send them to those shitty british isles. IMO. They'll love the food and weather :lmao

[boutons_deux]

are dubya, dickhead, rummy, condi, feith, wolfie, the execs of BigOil and BigMIC housing the refugees they created? or are they blocking the USA from taking those refugees?

[m>s]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00355/116471874_sy_355329b.jpg

I can see why you are scared.

People's impulse to help and actual moral actions, might show how morally bankrupt right-wing nationalists really are.

Humans evolved as a social species, and that has consequences. Go against the moral impulse to help, and you make it a lot easier to marginalize such views, rightfully so. You are your own worst enemy, which is an irony you may never fully grasp.
Yeah I'm sorry I don't want my entire identity destroyed and shariah imposed. I like my identity and if you truly appreciated diversity then you wouldn't want to destroy races and cultures. You're a hypocrite and a liar.

[m>s]

It's funny how you talk about evolution and you want to bring in less evolved people into our society? That helps us how? Look if you want to house Syrians in your cuck shed then that's fine but first of all these aren't even most Syrians wring the war and B fuck off Germany. Nationalism is fucking beautiful. Sieg Heil.

[boutons_deux]

How Neocons Destabilized Europe

The neocon prescription of endless “regime change” is spreading chaos across the Middle East and now into Europe, yet the neocons still control the mainstream U.S. narrative and thus have diagnosed the problem as not enough “regime change,” as Robert Parry reports.

The refugee chaos that is now pushing deep into Europe – dramatized by gut-wrenching photos of Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi whose body washed up on a beach in Turkey – started with the cavalier ambitions of American neocons and their liberal-interventionist sidekicks who planned to remake the Middle East and other parts of the world through “regime change.”

Instead of the promised wonders of “democracy promotion” and “human rights,” what these “anti-realists” have accomplished is to spread death, destruction and destabilization across the Middle East and parts of Africa and now into Ukraine and the heart of Europe. Yet, since these neocon forces still control the Official Narrative, their explanations get top billing – such as that there hasn’t been enough “regime change.”

For instance, The Washington Post’s neocon editorial page editor Fred Hiatt on Mondayblamed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-syria-achievement/2015/09/06/961b416a-50de-11e5-8c19-0b6825aa4a3a_story.html) “realists” for the cascading catastrophes. Hiatt castigated them and President Barack Obama for not intervening more aggressively in Syria to depose President Bashar al-Assad, a longtime neocon target for “regime change.”

But the truth is that this accelerating spread of human suffering can be traced back directly to the unchecked influence of the neocons and their liberal fellow-travelers who have resisted political compromise and, in the case of Syria, blocked any realistic efforts to work out a power-sharing agreement between Assad and his political opponents, those who are not terrorists.

In early 2014, the neocons and liberal hawks sabotaged Syrian peace talks in Geneva by blocking Iran’s participation and turning the peace conference into a one-sided shouting match where U.S.-funded opposition leaders yelled at Assad’s representatives who then went home. All the while, the Post’s editors and their friends kept egging Obama to start bombing Assad’s forces.

The madness of this neocon approach grew more obvious in the summer of 2014 when the Islamic State, an Al Qaeda spinoff which had been slaughtering suspected pro-government people in Syria, expanded its bloody campaign of beheadings back into Iraq where this hyper-brutal movement first emerged as “Al Qaeda in Iraq” in response to the 2003 U.S. invasion.

It should have been clear by mid-2014 that if the neocons had gotten their way and Obama had conducted a massive U.S. bombing campaign to devastate Assad’s military, the black flag of Sunni terrorism might well be flying above the Syrian capital of Damascus while its streets would run red with blood.

But now a year later, the likes of Hiatt still have not absorbed that lesson — and the spreading chaos from neocon strategies is destabilizing Europe. As shocking and disturbing as that is, none of it should have come as much of a surprise, since the neocons have always brought chaos and dislocations in their wake.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/07/how-neocons-destabilized-europe/

[RandomGuy]

psychological effects, economic turmoils as well as personal freedoms are hugely affected by even 1 terrorist attack.

just look as US pre- and post- 911. totally different countries

Again, Meh. Maybe it will goad them into doing the right thing, which is quit relying on the US for their own security and build some militaries that can do more than nice looking parades.

Hell, our best ally in the last few years has been France.

[RandomGuy]

I don't want them in the US. Islam destroys everything it touches. As much as I'm not a fan of Christianity, Islam is so much worse.

Let them in. You want islam to wither and die, let them realize how fucked up their own countries are, and them drift away from their superstitions, just as most of the west is doing.

The difference between here and their own fucked up countries is that here they get exposed to ideas and discussions that don't happen in most muslim countries.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah I'm sorry I don't want my entire identity destroyed and shariah imposed. I like my identity and if you truly appreciated diversity then you wouldn't want to destroy races and cultures. You're a hypocrite and a liar.

Change happens. The "identity" you cherish will be swamped by simple demographics within a few hundred years, if humans can even be said to exist by that time, once we really start tinkering with the genetic code, and machines become self-aware.

Tempest in a teacup. Worrying about that kind of shit is myopic and silly.

[RandomGuy]

It's funny how you talk about evolution and you want to bring in less evolved people into our society? That helps us how? Look if you want to house Syrians in your cuck shed then that's fine but first of all these aren't even most Syrians wring the war and B fuck off Germany. Nationalism is fucking beautiful. Sieg Heil.

"less evolved"?

(shakes head)

You watch too many sci-fi movies. Evolution is just change in a genome. It isn't moving towards or away from anything. It just is.

Again, not quite bright enough to understand the concepts involved.

[m>s]

"less evolved"?

(shakes head)

You watch too many sci-fi movies. Evolution is just change in a genome. It isn't moving towards or away from anything. It just is.

Again, not quite bright enough to understand the concepts involved.
You're right they're not less evolved they are a different breed entirely

[hater]

Again, Meh. Maybe it will goad them into doing the right thing, which is quit relying on the US for their own security and build some militaries that can do more than nice looking parades.

Hell, our best ally in the last few years has been France.

The European dependnce on US for security was created mostly by the US. The US created NATO and built all the bases in Europe. This all happned of course during the cold war.

We still live in the vestiges of the cold war. Us had just unlimited funds for their army until recently.

Still I doubt Europe can quit the US dependence even if they wanted to. Especially since the cold war might be making a comeback

[RandomGuy]

You're right they're not less evolved they are a different breed entirely

LOL

At least you got closer, I guess.

[RandomGuy]

The European dependnce on US for security was created mostly by the US. The US created NATO and built all the bases in Europe. This all happned of course during the cold war.

We still live in the vestiges of the cold war. Us had just unlimited funds for their army until recently.

Still I doubt Europe can quit the US dependence even if they wanted to. Especially since the cold war might be making a comeback

They are increasing their defense spending. The Russian invasion of the Ukraine spurred that, especially in Poland.

[hater]

They are increasing their defense spending. The Russian invasion of the Ukraine spurred that, especially in Poland.

:lmao Poland can barely sustain a flu attack. Euro just don't have the finances to fund any sort of decent defense. Except for Germany of course.

It's the US again spending the $ for defense systems.

[m>s]

They are increasing their defense spending. The Russian invasion of the Ukraine spurred that, especially in Poland.
Lmao Russian invasion. More misguided than your racial beliefs.

[JoeChalupa]

They need to step up.

[baseline bum]

Let them in. You want islam to wither and die, let them realize how fucked up their own countries are, and them drift away from their superstitions, just as most of the west is doing.

The difference between here and their own fucked up countries is that here they get exposed to ideas and discussions that don't happen in most muslim countries.

That seems overly optimistic, and religion isn't dying in the US.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao Poland can barely sustain a flu attack. Euro just don't have the finances to fund any sort of decent defense. Except for Germany of course.

It's the US again spending the $ for defense systems.


The defence budget will increase by 18 per cent meaning that it will achieve Nato target of spending two per cent of GDP income on defence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11641852/Poland-increases-military-spending-in-response-to-Russias-belligerence.html



Poland has responded to Russia's belligerence by raising its defence budget by 18 per cent, achieving the biggest increase in military spending of any country in Europe.
Haunted by memories of Soviet invasion, Poland is set to join the handful of Nato members who meet the alliance's target of investing at least two per cent of national income in defence.

Poles are very committed to self-reliance at this point, and deeply distrustful of Russia, for obvious reasons.

[RandomGuy]

That seems overly optimistic, and religion isn't dying in the US.

It might not seem like it, until you visit a lot of churches, and note the ages of the people attending.

There is a strong streak in the US, but it is fraying at the edges.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

[hater]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11641852/Poland-increases-military-spending-in-response-to-Russias-belligerence.html




Poles are very committed to self-reliance at this point, and deeply distrustful of Russia, for obvious reasons.

Russia could conquer Poland with their military band regiments :lol

[RandomGuy]

Lmao Russian invasion. More misguided than your racial beliefs.

"misguided beliefs"

Oh the irony. I have rarely met someone so determined to see just what they want to see outside of Cosmored and his "faked moon landing conspiracy".

[RandomGuy]

Russia could conquer Poland with their military band regiments :lol

Poland is fairly small, smaller than Germany. It is however, investing heavily in its military, as noted. Solid investments over a period of time, while Russia's industrial complex continues to whither will let that gap shrink markedly.

Small countries can punch above their weight, and Poland has both economic and demographic growth on their side, unlike Russia.

[hater]

Poland should invest in their higways. Worst highways in northern Europe. You feel like you have to go through an African country everytime you have to cross it

[DarrinS]

Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany. :lmao

[hater]

:lol owned

[RandomGuy]

Poland should invest in their higways. Worst highways in northern Europe. You feel like you have to go through an African country everytime you have to cross it


Despite the huge amounts of money spent on Polish roads over the past few years, the country’s high-speed road infrastructure is still patchy at best, although the new EU budget for 2014-2020 promises to change this
http://wbj.pl/polands-highway-overhaul/

Go back in a few years. :D

[RandomGuy]

Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany. :lmao


Taking in refugees has costs — and potential benefits

The mass movement of tens of thousands of people in Europe is starting to fray the bonds of the European Union, as countries take different approaches to welcoming — or rejecting — migrants and refugees.

But this week, Germany offered to take half a million new migrants a year. The cost? More than $11 billion dollars a year.

The German media suggest the country isn't just motivated by doing the right thing. It’s a self-interested equation. In other words, the economic benefits of the taking in migrants and refugees may equal or even exceed the costs.

Germany figures each refugee will cost $14,000 a year to feed, house, teach and pay a monthly stipend.

In the long term, though, the country may well make that money back, largely because Syrian refugees tend to be skilled and young.

“Given how young they are, and how many years they are going to be working in the future, it is likely that over time that burden, that initial burden, is going to be paid back by their taxes and their contribution to the host economy,” says economist Carlos Vargas-Silva at Oxford University’s Centre on Migration Policy and Society.

There is evidence in research of a net economic gain, though there is an important caveat.

“The benefits won’t begin to amass until three, four or five years down the road,” says Demetrios Papademetriou, founder and president of the Migration Policy Institute’s European office.

Still, to get that economic return, a country has to invest — that is, settle refugees, give them asylum and train them.

“And once people sort of graduate from these programs, once those gaps in qualifications are filled, people should have an opportunity to go directly into the labor force,” Papademetriou says.

Germany’s labor force is aging and shrinking: from 45 million people today to about 36 million in just 15 years, assuming no immigration. In other words, it needs new workers, to fill offices and fund the country’s retirement system.

Much of Central and Southern Europe shares the same demographic projection, although taking in outsiders is a hard sell politically.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/taking-refugees-has-costs-%E2%80%94-and-potential-benefits

From a free-market perspective, this is a no-brainer.

The only people who might object to this, tend to be the kinds of people who understand neither the moral dimension, nor the economic one.

If we were smart, we would open the doors for these people.

[RandomGuy]

How many Syrian families have been housed by spurstalk posters?


Fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

Also Known as: "You Too Fallacy"

Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true - but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person's claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.

It only matters if you are committed to making a logical fallacy.

Are you committed to flawed thinking?

[m>s]

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/taking-refugees-has-costs-%E2%80%94-and-potential-benefits

From a free-market perspective, this is a no-brainer.

The only people who might object to this, tend to be the kinds of people who understand neither the moral dimension, nor the economic one.

If we were smart, we would open the doors for these people.
You're quoting a propaganda piece being used to sell genocide of an entire ethnicity of people. Aside from it being wrong (all Mohammad's aren't going to become doctors and lawyers) there is also something to be said about putting culture and the people Above capitalistic ambition. A great man once said, what kind of society are we if all that matters are our wages and loans? Some things transcend materialism and GDP isn't always the bottom line. We like our European identity and it isn't for sale or up for negotiation.

[RandomGuy]

Ill just leave this right here

QZUuoaq1MLM

Good opportunity for critical thinking.

"because his father wanted new teeth"

Implied: The father wanted new teeth, so he risked the life of his children over something shallow like dentures.

First step in evaluating the video, is to ask what is the best evidence for determining why someone does something?

The best, and often only, way to determine why someone does something is first hand accounts. "I did this because X". This is why witness testimony in court is admitted. What is generally not admitted in court is someone else's speculation. "He did this because X" i.e. "hearsay"

In this case, the evidence presented is that the aunt, obviously distraught, at a press conference, starts talking about her nephew, the father of the boy in the picture.

She simply stated "he needed money for new teeth". She didn't even say that was the sole reason.

Given the torture, execution, indiscriminate bombing, and general breakdown of the country, one would be hard pressed to simply say, without talking to the man directly, what his ultimate motivation is.

It is quite possible that the man had more than one reason for fleeing with his family.

So basically, one has the word of the guy who wrote the title of a youtube video, based on testimony from a distraught, overwhelmed relative at a press conference.

I require a bit more evidence before determining why the man did it, and stating that with any degree of certainty.

That is critical thinking.

"what evidence is available, what is the best evidence, and is the conclusion supported by that evidence".

In this case, one has a modest amount of evidence, but certainly not conclusive. Unless of course you use confirmation bias.

Use that, and you can state it with some certainty, as long as you don't really care what is real or isn't real.


In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

[RandomGuy]

You're quoting a propaganda piece being used to sell genocide of an entire ethnicity of people. Aside from it being wrong (all Mohammad's aren't going to become doctors and lawyers) there is also something to be said about putting culture and the people Above capitalistic ambition. A great man once said, what kind of society are we if all that matters are our wages and loans? Some things transcend materialism and GDP isn't always the bottom line. We like our European identity and it isn't for sale or up for negotiation.

Meh. Change happens.

Blathering on about "identity" when the long term genetic mix-up will shuffle the genes that you seem to think are important simply disperse through the human gene pool.

Worrying about something like mutations that limit melanin is short-sighted and stupid.

Time will not be kind to your "identity". Boo-hoo all you want, it will vanish and start to do so within your lifetime.

It makes me all warm and fuzzy imagining you being old and disappointed.

[m>s]

>Muh race is simply melanin argument

you can do better

[RandomGuy]

so whats wrong with the current beaners in the usa if you allowed them to register for tax purposes and start contributing? its not like the black americans are any better then them...get rid of welfare

"Welfare" is mostly given to old people, children, and handicapped.

Don't take my word for it, look up the programs yourself.

I have no problem with citizenship for the people here now that are considered "illegal". Get them out of the shadows and into the regular economy. I want my social security paid for by them and their kids, thank you.

[m>s]

One cannot simply synthetically create a European with some genetic engineering Technology that doesn't actually exist and may never, we don't know.

being a European is genetic, cultural, spiritual, ideological. It's all of these things. You won't take our identity from us and you're asking for a fight that you don't want in doing so. If Europe falls we are slamming the door shut so famn hard on our way out it'll make your head spin. And we will take the whole world with us.

[RandomGuy]

One cannot simply synthetically create a European with some genetic engineering Technology that doesn't actually exist and may never, we don't know.

being a European is genetic, cultural, spiritual, ideological. It's all of these things. You won't take our identity from us and you're asking for a fight that you don't want in doing so. If Europe falls we are slamming the door shut so famn hard on our way out it'll make your head spin. And we will take the whole world with us.

No small part of "being European" is western liberalism and secularism. That has to sting.

[RandomGuy]

>Muh race is simply melanin argument

you can do better

I have studied history of language and European history, and done so by reading much in actual German books and historical documents.

What you think of as "identity" is simply the mixing of so many different cultures, languages and peoples and is simply the current state of that mixing.

Not really overly coherent, unless you think all germans wear lederhosen, and all french people berets.

Bet you didn't know "Martinez" and "Rodriguez" are both german surnames.

[m>s]

I have studied history of language and European history, and done so by reading much in actual German books and historical documents.

What you think of as "identity" is simply the mixing of so many different cultures, languages and peoples and is simply the current state of that mixing.

Not really overly coherent, unless you think all germans wear lederhosen, and all french people berets.

Bet you didn't know "Martinez" and "Rodriguez" are both german surnames.
I too have studied and cake to the conclusion that you are a shameless racial cuckold. I am not concerned with the mixing of similar European peoples, however Mohammed and Hakeem can gtfo. They add nothing of value and will destroy our race.

[RandomGuy]

I too have studied and cake to the conclusion that you are a shameless racial cuckold. I am not concerned with the mixing of similar European peoples, however Mohammed and Hakeem can gtfo. They add nothing of value and will destroy our race.

Translation:
http://adversityflip.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/White-Flag1-300x199.jpg


Cake to all the conclusions you want, just let me know when you have anything new to say, Cosmored, er, m.

[m>s]

Translation:
http://adversityflip.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/White-Flag1-300x199.jpg


Cake to all the conclusions you want, just let me know when you have anything new to say, Cosmored, er, m.
The only one who surrendered is you, on yourself and your people. I have nothing more to say to you, I wish you nothing but defeat and destruction. Hail victory.

[DPG21920]

Again, Meh. Maybe it will goad them into doing the right thing, which is quit relying on the US for their own security and build some militaries that can do more than nice looking parades.

Hell, our best ally in the last few years has been France.

I agree with most of what you said, but I find it so shocking that you are so "meh" about terrorist attacks and mass shootings. You seem like a good person but when it comes to things like terrorism & mass shootings, to just simply shrug them off seems insensitive and inhumane which is strange considering your views.

[DPG21920]

And yes, ms is a really bad human.

[m>s]

Fuck off short shit

[m>s]

I just love how self preservation is now "being a terrible person" in this bizarro world. As if you'd say the same thing If Japan said they didn't want a bunch of Koreans or Chinese. These Muslims blow stuff up and kill people but having an opinion that isn't politically correct is somehow worse. Dreaming brainwashed generation.

[Quetzal-X]

Tuff:danceclubShit.

[CosmicCowboy]

Y'all should quit picking on Saudi Arabia. They care about the refugee problem. They really do.

Just today they announced that they are donating the money to build 200 mosques in Germany for the poor refugees.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Good opportunity for critical thinking.

"because his father wanted new teeth"

Implied: The father wanted new teeth, so he risked the life of his children over something shallow like dentures.

First step in evaluating the video, is to ask what is the best evidence for determining why someone does something?

The best, and often only, way to determine why someone does something is first hand accounts. "I did this because X". This is why witness testimony in court is admitted. What is generally not admitted in court is someone else's speculation. "He did this because X" i.e. "hearsay"

In this case, the evidence presented is that the aunt, obviously distraught, at a press conference, starts talking about her nephew, the father of the boy in the picture.

She simply stated "he needed money for new teeth". She didn't even say that was the sole reason.

Given the torture, execution, indiscriminate bombing, and general breakdown of the country, one would be hard pressed to simply say, without talking to the man directly, what his ultimate motivation is.

It is quite possible that the man had more than one reason for fleeing with his family.

So basically, one has the word of the guy who wrote the title of a youtube video, based on testimony from a distraught, overwhelmed relative at a press conference.

I require a bit more evidence before determining why the man did it, and stating that with any degree of certainty.

That is critical thinking.

"what evidence is available, what is the best evidence, and is the conclusion supported by that evidence".

In this case, one has a modest amount of evidence, but certainly not conclusive. Unless of course you use confirmation bias.

Use that, and you can state it with some certainty, as long as you don't really care what is real or isn't real.

The family was living in Turkey for 3 years here is another sand n¡gger that claims he was the smuggler http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230422/Abdullah-Kurdi-people-smuggler-migrant.html

You can continue to take his word for it I dont really have a problem with him, he's back in Syria where he belongs and he's responsible for the deaths of 5 dune coons.

[boutons_deux]

Neocons Blame Obama for Syria

Neocons are so obsessed with their dream of Syrian “regime change” that they are castigating President Obama for not sharing their hallucination of nearly invisible “moderates” taking power when the near-certain result would be a victory for Sunni terrorists, as Jonathan Marshall explains.

Frederic Hof (http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/experts/list/frederic-c-hof#fullbio), who was appointed by Obama in 2012 as “special adviser for transition in Syria” with the rank of ambassador. He’s currently a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Rafik Hariri Center for the Middle East, named after a corrupt business tycoon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafic_Hariri) and former Saudi adviser who became prime minister of Lebanon in the mid-1990s (and died in a still-unsolved bombing in Beirut in 2005).

http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/obama-kerry-300x200.jpg?55ac53 (http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/obama-kerry.jpg?55ac53)

Hof is today busy churning out emotional articles blaming Obama for “a humanitarian abomination and policy catastrophe” in Syria. Blasting (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/09/obama-open-your-eyes-syria-refugees-assad-europe/) the administration for “leav[ing] millions of Syrians subject to barrel bombs, starvation sieges, mass terrorism, and collective punishment so as not to offend Iran,” he lays the horrendous Syrian refugee crisis — “pictures of dead children” and all — directly at Obama’s door.

The source of the administration’s fecklessness, he asserts (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/21/americas-self-inflicted-wound-in-syria/), is Obama’s single-minded “courtship” of Iran to achieve a dubious nuclear deal at the expense of “fully enabling the mass homicide strategy of its Syrian client.” He adds, “Iranian policies in Syria and Iraq have made vast swaths of both countries safe for jihadis,” a remarkable conclusion that must please the Atlantic Council’s Saudi government funders (http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/support/supporters).

You would never know from his writing that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are the main backers of radical Islamists in Syria and indeed throughout the world. As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton observed (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding) in a 2009 cable, “Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.”

Hof, like other neo-conservatives (https://consortiumnews.com/2015/05/03/wpost-blames-obama-for-syrian-mess/), insists (http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/we-can-t-destroy-isis-without-destroying-bashar-al-assad-first) that

“removing Assad” must be “the first step” in a fundamental reorientation of U.S. policy toward Syria. He maintains (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-self-government-revolution-thats-happening-under-the-radar-in-syria/2015/07/26/05cffade-313e-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html) that grassroots democracy would then flourish thanks to “hundreds of local councils” and “a vast network of civil society organizations — the kinds of voluntary professional associations that undergird Western democracies.” :lol :lol

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/11/neocons-blame-obama-for-syria/

[TheSanityAnnex]

The family was living in Turkey for 3 years here is another sand n¡gger that claims he was the smuggler http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230422/Abdullah-Kurdi-people-smuggler-migrant.html

You can continue to take his word for it I dont really have a problem with him, he's back in Syria where he belongs and he's responsible for the deaths of 5 dune coons.
Yup. Family wasn't fleeing Syria. While still sad it's not the fleeing refugee story they tried to present to tug at your feels.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/11/refugees-reality-whats-really-going-on-in-europe/

[RandomGuy]

I agree with most of what you said, but I find it so shocking that you are so "meh" about terrorist attacks and mass shootings. You seem like a good person but when it comes to things like terrorism & mass shootings, to just simply shrug them off seems insensitive and inhumane which is strange considering your views.

Mass shootings are, overall, horrible things.

They are also:
Less likely to kill any given person than a car crash.
Counter to the terrorists own cause in the long run.

The important part to understand is *why* terrorist attacks are bad things. They are bad, because they kill and traumatize people.

If your standard of what to be concerned about is, rightly in my opinion, things that kill people, then you have to have some perspective.

Since 9-11, almost 550,000 Americans have died in car crashes.

That is almost 200 people for every one that died on 9-11. Why are we not marching in the streets to make roads and vehicles safer?

Same thing for Europe.

There is a very long list of things that are far, far more likely to kill us, like sugary drinks, than any terrorist.

We go to wars, because we deem the loss of life that results as a cost that needs to be borne to fight some hopefully well-defined evil, i.e. for the common good. It is like all things, a cost/benefit analysis, albeit sometimes not a conscious one.

The benefits of helping people out of the kinds of misery are both moral, and on balance economic. The costs are an infinitesimally smaller risk of mortality for the 550 million people in the EU.

I would even assert that the benefit of taking in the refugees from a security standpoint makes us safer. Ultimately we are fighting the idea that the West is evil and out to get muslims. That narrative gets a lot harder to believe if the West takes in a million mostly muslim refugees.

"meh" is perhaps inaccurate. It does concern me as the loss of life anywhere does, but life is not without risks and I estimate the benefits far, far outweigh the costs, even setting aside the moral imperative, which would lead me to conclude the risk was worth it almost for that alone.

Hope that helps clarify it a bit.

[RandomGuy]

And yes, ms is a really bad human.

Likely.

Even if one assumes his schtick is mostly trolling, you can't wade through that kind of bile and fucktardery and not come out psychologically tainted, imo.

[m>s]

Likely.

Even if one assumes his schtick is mostly trolling, you can't wade through that kind of bile and fucktardery and not come out psychologically tainted, imo.
Shut up cuck