Keith Richards: Rap Is for 'Tone-Deaf People'

[z0sa]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/keith-richards-rap-is-for-tone-deaf-people-20150903

He also blasted Metallica and Black Sabbath as "jokes." How much is meant tongue in cheek, one wonders?


"Rap — so many words, so little said." He added: "What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there. All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they're happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can't tell one note from another."

[Koolaid_Man]

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/keith-richards-rap-is-for-tone-deaf-people-20150903

He also blasted Metallica and Black Sabbath as "jokes." How much is meant tongue in cheek, one wonders?


I don't disagree but I also don't give a fuck ..rap is the muthafucking shittttttttt...so ole boy can suck a dick tbh....:lmao

Just like this classic

hmP7TYtDVUU

[Pauly D]

Holy shit, I'm a Keith Richards fan now. It's gotta suck to actually create music then watch these fucking morons who just talk over a lame beat. At least with 80s and 90s rap there was an attitude and heart behind it. Now it's just grab a pop star to share lyrical time with and some crappy techno type sound

[Koolaid_Man]

Holy shit, I'm a Keith Richards fan now. It's gotta suck to actually create music then watch these fucking morons who just talk over a lame beat. At least with 80s and 90s rap there was an attitude and heart behind it. Now it's just grab a pop star to share lyrical time with and some crappy techno type sound


^ Ohh wow look..another sucka is born...anyone can turn you phaggots into fans...go suck a lollipop bitch....

[DJR210]

Rap is still good if you know where to dig

[MultiTroll]

Just like this classic

hmP7TYtDVUU
Thanks for making Richards point.

[DJR210]

:lol at calling anything Wiz has done "classic"

[Trill Clinton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7g62K6nhLg

classic wiz. if i smoked weed, i'd light up a blunt to this every time it came onhttp://i62.tinypic.com/2i1m329.png

[Koolaid_Man]

Thanks for making Richards point.


Post Richards top 5 songs and I will Post 1 rap song with melodies and rhythm that will blow all of his songs out of the water...

[Koolaid_Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7g62K6nhLg

classic wiz. if i smoked weed, i'd light up a blunt to this every time it came onhttp://i62.tinypic.com/2i1m329.png


No doubt homie

[Trill Clinton]

scarface album drops tomorrowhttp://i62.tinypic.com/2i1m329.png

he dropped this video today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU_A2FzcuQ0

[Silver&Black]

^
I wonder how big that flag would be if it was "Murdered by other blacks"

[Pauly D]

^
I wonder how big that flag would be if it was "Murdered by other blacks"

They would need about 100x the space to fit all the pictures

[djohn2oo8]

^
I wonder how big that flag would be if it was "Murdered by other blacks"

Murdered by the law. Is that better?

[MultiTroll]

http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/34024/5a3abed2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_The_Rolling_Stones

[Silver&Black]

Murdered by the law. Is that better?

I just find it funny (well...it's not funny but you know what I mean) that the black population is so caught up with the Cops murdering blacks movement. When in all honesty that's the overwhelming minority of murder cases. Why not channel all that frustration into the real problem?....black on black crime.

All the pictures on that flag....that same # will be killed by other blacks in Chicago and Detroit THIS WEEKEND. Why ignore the main problem?

[djohn2oo8]

I just find it funny (well...it's not funny but you know what I mean) that the black population is so caught up with the Cops murdering blacks movement. When in all honesty that's the overwhelming minority of murder cases. Why not channel all that frustration into the real problem?....black on black crime.

All the pictures on that flag....that same # will be killed by other blacks in Chicago and Detroit THIS WEEKEND. Why ignore the main problem?

Minority or not. It is possible for a black to be shot or killed during a traffic stop by a cop just for reaching for the insurance card. It's a justified paranoia.

[Chris]

:lol Keith Richards trolling to stay relevant. That guy is scary creepy

[Trill Clinton]

^
I wonder how big that flag would be if it was "Murdered by other blacks"

please don't race bait me tonight.

[Trill Clinton]

They would need about 100x the space to fit all the pictures

same would go if it was white faces and it was changed to "murdered by other whites"http://i61.tinypic.com/kbyuq.png

so far the white posters have managed to once again bring up race in a thread for no reasonhttp://i61.tinypic.com/kbyuq.png

[Clipper Nation]

Who gives a shit about what some deadbeat old druggie who snorted his own father's ashes thinks? Dude looks like a bridge troll:

http://i.imgur.com/e0FJr9n.jpg

[Pauly D]

Minority or not. It is possible for a black to be shot or killed during a traffic stop by a cop just for reaching for the insurance card. It's a justified paranoia.

It is possible to be hit by lightning too


same would go if it was white faces and it was changed to "murdered by other whites"

Not really

[Silver&Black]

Minority or not. It is possible for a black to be shot or killed during a traffic stop by a cop just for reaching for the insurance card. It's a justified paranoia.

That's not the point....

Is a cop killing a black guy during a traffic stop okay? Absolutely not...
Is a black guy killing a black guy for (insert any number of reasons here)? Absolutely not...

The problem is one of these occurs 100 times more often than the other. Yet, the one that is 100x smaller gets the attention.

[djohn2oo8]

That's not the point....

Is a cop killing a black guy during a traffic stop okay? Absolutely not...
Is a black guy killing a black guy for (insert any number of reasons here)? Absolutely not...

The problem is one of these occurs 100 times more often than the other. Yet, the one that is 100x smaller gets the attention.

Because getting pulled over happens, everyone does at some point. I shouldn't have to fear for my life during a traffic stop, while other ethnicities get treated very different. That is the problem. Should I be pulled over for legal window tint? Should the cop assume my passenger is drinking liquor in a can that clearly has "half and half iced tea lemonade" on it?

[Silver&Black]

Because getting pulled over happens, everyone does at some point. I shouldn't have to fear for my life during a traffic stop, while other ethnicities get treated very different. That is the problem. Should I be pulled over for legal window tint? Should the cop assume my passenger is drinking liquor in a can that clearly has "half and half iced tea lemonade" on it?

You're twisting it all around. I agree with you....being profiled because you're black, pulled over (and in the very very very very rare occasions), and murdered is wrong. WRONG!!!!

You're just dodging my main point. What's the bigger problem in the black community djohn2oo8? Cops vs. Blacks? Or Blacks vs. Blacks?

If you answer Cops vs. Blacks then you're blind........

[Mark Celibate]

Cops kill just as many asians as they kill blacks in this country but there're rare asian-on-asian crimes so it creates such an illusion to guys like djohn that those cop vs. black crimes also predominated in the black community. Niggas get killed everyday in gang fights but once a nigga died because of a bullet from a cop's gun, it is magnified 1000 times and gets broadcast all over the mainstream media.

[benefactor]

scarface album drops tomorrowhttp://i62.tinypic.com/2i1m329.png

he dropped this video today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU_A2FzcuQ0
I'll check this out after the game. I'm forever a Scarface fan. I've listened to Geto Boys since Ready Red.

[HI-FI]

Keith just dropping truth bombs, snorting his old man's ashes, not giving a shit.

^
I wonder how big that flag would be if it was "Murdered by other blacks"
:lol

it would be like those AIDS quilts tbh

[Avante]

In his book, Richards talks about the closest thing to Heaven on earth for him was being the only white guy in a Mississippi juke joint and everyone was cool with him being there.

Keith Richards knows music, he gets the roots and knows the influenses.

There will never been a rap band that could make a zit on the ass of The Rolling Stones.

[MultiTroll]

:lol Keith Richards trolling to stay relevant. That guy is scary creepy
Agree.
Trying to dis the Beatles over a very few of their songs that were out there or for going to India. :rolleyes
STFU bridge troll.

Ditto Metallica and Sabbath. While Metallica is basically a joke, that not to say they don't have a few good songs as did Sabbath.
Just because Richards doesn't like either band, he needs to STFU.

[Avante]

Just finishes mixing some Roy Acuff, Ernest Tubb, Hank Williams, Bill Monroe and Bob Wills.


So many so shallow, so limited, no depth at all. so to them rap is great, when in reality it's fucking lame.

[Clipper Nation]

In his book, Richards talks about the closest thing to Heaven on earth for him was being the only white guy in a Mississippi juke joint and everyone was cool with him being there.

Keith Richards knows music, he gets the roots and knows the influenses.

There will never been a rap band that could make a zit on the ass of The Rolling Stones.
The Roots > The Rolling Fossils

[Koolaid_Man]

That's not the point....

Is a cop killing a black guy during a traffic stop okay? Absolutely not...
Is a black guy killing a black guy for (insert any number of reasons here)? Absolutely not...

The problem is one of these occurs 100 times more often than the other. Yet, the one that is 100x smaller gets the attention.


Holy guacamole...you fuckers are total dumbshits...let me explain for the el stupo's amongst us such as yourself....the problem may be that blacks kill blacks at high rates but the reason that Black Lives Matter is solely based on prosecution of those crimes...when blacks kill blacks 95% of the time the killer is prosecuted and goes to jail....when blacks kill whites 99% of the time their asses going to the slamma....when cops kill whites 80% of the time they are prosecuted...when cops kill blacks 0% of the time are they prosecuted....its the sole reason we advocate black lives matter....if you're too fucking dumb to process that then too fucking bad...it means you're a certified dumbshit....or whatever :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Holy guacamole...you fuckers are total dumbshits...let me explain for the el stupo's amongst us such as yourself....the problem may be that blacks kill blacks at high rates but the reason that Black Lives Matter is solely based on prosecution of those crimes...when blacks kill blacks 95% of the time the killer is prosecuted and goes to jail....when blacks kill whites 99% of the time their asses going to the slamma....when cops kill whites 80% of the time they are prosecuted...when cops kill blacks 0% of the time are they prosecuted....its the sole reason we advocate black lives matter....if you're too fucking dumb to process that then too fucking bad...it means you're a certified dumbshit....or whatever :lol



http://i59.tinypic.com/6r21pu.gif

[Silver&Black]

the problem may be that blacks kill blacks at high rates

You should have stopped right here....

Now what are we going to do about this problem?


I'll ask you the same question Kool. Forget the #BLM campaign....bigger problem facing the black community? Cops vs. blacks or blacks vs. blacks?

[Spurminator]

Keith Richards and the Rolling Stones rode pretty much every trendy musical wave for 30 years and never played a single note that wasn't cpied from someone else. If they weren't already 80 when rap hit its peak mainstream success, they would have put out a rap album.

[Avante]

The Roots > The Rolling Fossils

I'll go slow....

When the band started out they were young guys, honest they were CN, I know I know your dumbass thought they were always old timers, huh?

Is this one dumb fuck or what?

No rap artist anywhere remotely close to The Rolling Stones, not even in the same ball park.

[Avante]

Keith Richards and the Rolling Stones rode pretty much every trendy musical wave for 30 years and never played a single note that wasn't cpied from someone else. If they weren't already 80 when rap hit its peak mainstream success, they would have put out a rap album.

So you've never heard them, huh?


Where did they steal this?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8

[Spurminator]

So you've never heard them, huh?

Where did they steal this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBecM3CQVD8


That's a great song. But a band of Englishmen didn't invent the Samba rhythm, and they weren't the only mainstream group using it in popular music at the time. (Ever heard of Santana?)

Looking at the Rolling Stones discography as a whole you'd have to be in complete denial to think they weren't simply following trends with every release. They never released an album that changed the course of popular music, they released albums (some of them very good) that walked in sidestep with those trends. They did a psychadelic album after it was popular, southern roots rock after it was already popular, disco after it was already popular, and super polished 80's rock that basically sounded like everything else on FM radio.

[Avante]

That's a great song. But a band of Englishmen didn't invent the Samba rhythm, and they weren't the only mainstream group using it in popular music at the time. (Ever heard of Santana?)

Looking at the Rolling Stones discography as a whole you'd have to be in complete denial to think they weren't simply following trends with every release. They never released an album that changed the course of popular music, they released albums (some of them very good) that walked in sidestep with those trends. They did a psychadelic album after it was popular, southern roots rock after it was already popular, disco after it was already popular, and super polished 80's rock that basically sounded like everything else on FM radio.

The Stones were a blues band that had to play stuff that sold. They like every other band didn't set out to change the musical landscape. They were the best at what they did and no you don't ever think of them mimicing other sounds, if you think that you don't know the music. Their blues rock blend unique to the biz, nobody was doing that like they were.

Listen to ZZ Top, Zeppelien, The Beatles, The Doors, Hendrix, The Grateful Dead etc, all of them had a unique sound, that's why their made it big. The Stones as big as it got.

[Spurminator]

They were the best at what they did and no you don't ever think of them mimicing other sounds, if you think that you don't know the music. Their blues rock blend unique to the biz, nobody was doing that like they were.

Killer blues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8o0gj-A0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8o0gj-A0)

Givin me the blues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YRdxHHFKvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YRdxHHFKvQ)

Bluesy as fuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR3r0z3_oig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR3r0z3_oig)

[Spurminator]

No style mimicry here, this is all Stones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yx9N02l6YA

[HeadBanger]

The Stones is a legendary band but for Richards to make such a remark is ridiculous. Rap changed music in a way they never did. They were influenced by many as much as any other band is. You can hear the influence of rap in many genres from rock to country.

[Avante]

Early history[edit (http://www.spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=The_Rolling_Stones&action=edit&section=2)]

Keith Richards (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Keith_Richards) and Mick Jagger (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Mick_Jagger) were childhood friends and classmates in Dartford (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dartford), Kent (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Kent), until the Jaggers moved to Wilmington (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Wilmington,_Kent).[7] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson20108-7) Jagger had formed a garage band (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Garage_band) with Dick Taylor (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dick_Taylor), mainly playing Muddy Waters (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Muddy_Waters), Chuck Berry (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chuck_Berry), Little Richard (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Little_Richard), Howlin' Wolf (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Howlin%27_Wolf) and Bo Diddley (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Bo_Diddley) material.[7] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson20108-7) Jagger was reacquainted with Keith Richards in 1960 at Dartford railway station (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dartford_railway_station).[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson20109-8) The Chuck Berry and Muddy Waters records that Jagger carried revealed a common interest that prompted their musical partnership.[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson20109-8)[9] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTEGreenfield1981-9) Richards joined Jagger and Taylor at frequent meetings at Jagger's house. The meetings switched to Taylor's house in late 1961, where the three were joined by Alan Etherington and Bob Beckwith. They called themselves The Blue Boys.[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson201010.E2.80.9311-10)



In March 1962, the Blue Boys read about the Ealing Jazz Club (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Ealing_Jazz_Club) in newspaper Jazz News and visited the place on 7 April 1962. The band members met Brian Jones (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Brian_Jones) there, as he sat in playing slide guitar (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Slide_guitar) with Alexis Korner (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Alexis_Korner)'s seminal London rhythm and blues (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Rhythm_and_blues) band, Blues Incorporated (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Blues_Incorporated), the band that also had future Rolling Stones members Ian Stewart (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Ian_Stewart_(musician)) and Charlie Watts (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Charlie_Watts).[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson201011-11) Before visiting the Ealing Jazz Club, the Blue Boys had sent a tape of their best recordings to Alexis Korner, who was impressed.[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson201011-11) After a meeting with Korner, Jagger and Richards started jamming with Blues Incorporated.[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson201011-11)
Brian Jones advertised for band mates in the Jazz News and Ian Stewart found a practice space and joined with Jones to start a rhythm and blues band playing Chicago blues (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chicago_blues). Shortly thereafter, Jagger, Taylor and Richards left Blues Incorporated to join Jones and Stewart in their effort. Also at the first rehearsal were guitarist Geoff Bradford (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Geoff_Bradford_(musician)) and vocalist Brian Knight, both of whom declined to join the band citing objections to playing the Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley songs preferred by Jagger and Richards.[12] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTEJaggerRichardsWattsWood200340-12)


In June 1962 the line-up was: Jagger, Jones, Richards, Stewart, Taylor, and drummer Tony Chapman (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Tony_Chapman). According to Richards, Jones christened the band during a phone call to Jazz News. When asked for a band name Jones saw a Muddy Waters LP lying on the floor. One of the LP's tracks was "Rollin' Stone (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Rollin%27_Stone)".[13] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTEJaggerRichardsWattsWood200342-13)[14] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-FOOTNOTENelson201013-14)

[Avante]

How many people in this country are 12-30 blacks? That is the target audience for rap. How many successful white people listen to....nigga nigga nigga nigga.....???


Rap, is stupid for the stupid. And yes I've heard them all. It's bad when compared to what's good. Maybe if I were some uneducated little black boy trying to survive the streets I might think differently, but I'm not.

[Infinite_limit]

The Stones is a legendary band but for Richards to make such a remark is ridiculous. Rap changed music in a way they never did. They were influenced by many as much as any other band is. You can hear the influence of rap in many genres from rock to country.
Rap changed music the same-way Anal sex changed the porn industry

[Infinite_limit]

How many people in this country are 12-30 blacks?
TOO MANY

[Clipper Nation]

How many people in this country are 12-30 blacks? That is the target audience for rap. How many successful white people listen to....nigga nigga nigga nigga.....???


Rap, is stupid for the stupid. And yes I've heard them all. It's bad when compared to what's good. Maybe if I were some uneducated little black boy trying to survive the streets I might think differently, but I'm not.
This is old, but it's the most recent data I could find. A 2005 study showed that 70-75% of hip-hop's audience is white:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111521814339424546

[Infinite_limit]

This is old, but it's the most recent data I could find. A 2005 study showed that 70-75% of hip-hop's audience is white:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111521814339424546
And I guarantee they included Hispanics in that number

[Avante]

This is old, but it's the most recent data I could find. A 2005 study showed that 70-75% of hip-hop's audience is white:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111521814339424546


Hip Hop is not Rap,ok little man? Sorta like Jazz is not Blues, ok?

[Spurminator]

Hip Hop is not Rap,ok little man? Sorta like Jazz is not Blues, ok?

I'm sure Keith Richards was making that distinction.

[Avante]

I'm sure Keith Richards was making that distinction.

In his book...LIFE...he talks about the roots to his music and the impact them old blues had on him, Brian Jones and Jaggar. He then delves into some of those legends. It doesn't take you many pages to figure out this guy knows the music. I was actually stunned, I had no idea he was that heavy into the roots of it all. He knows the music!!

If someone like Keith Richards has a low opinion of rap, as do I and most those not limited to the limitations we find in the young black world. it's pretty valid. Sure some black kid with about as much depth as a thimble won't know any better.

[Infinite_limit]

Why do Rap fans get offended by the genre being labeled low brow ignorance?

I thought that is a big part of the appeal. It's not caring that you are judged by society.

[Avante]

I have no doubts The Stones have heard this one...........



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OyOcdoAOjc

Influenses, it's all about influenses. Who is going to look back on rap and want to mimic that shit?

[spurraider21]

Stones are good, but they're overrated just because of their era and how early they were in the rock scene

[Avante]

Stones are good, but they're overrated just because of their era and how early they were in the rock scene

I've probably heard more artists/bands in my 66 years than anyone here. Everything from African/Indian tribal music, to convicts in prison, to Mexican, Irish, Caribbean, hillbilly, gospel, acid rock, punk, rap, hip hop jazz and on and on, hell....Bach.

The Rolling Stones are one of the truly great acts in the music world. In the highest ecelon of musical artists. Right there with Sinatra, Elvis, The Beatles, Billie Holliday, Louis Armstrong, Bob Marley, Led Zeppelin,Bessie Smith, Hank Williams, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Jellyroll Morton, BB King, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Wills, Roy Acuff.

[HeadBanger]

I have no doubts The Stones have heard this one...........


Influenses, it's all about influenses. Who is going to look back on rap and want to mimic that shit?

If you listen you can already hear rap's influence. Toby Keith is one that comes to mind.

[Avante]

If you listen you can already hear rap's influence. Toby Keith is one that comes to mind.

A tune recorded in Alabama in 1927 was influensed by rap....huh???

[HeadBanger]

A tune recorded in Alabama in 1927 was influensed by rap....huh???

I never mentioned that song dumbass.

[HeadBanger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMHETUufRc

This. I misquoted before.

[Avante]

I never mentioned that song dumbass.

Be cool ya little cock sucker, got it?

[ohmwrecker]

Stones are good, but they're overrated just because of their era and how early they were in the rock scene

:lol who's a better modern rock band than the Stones?

[spurraider21]

:lol who's a better modern rock band than the Stones?
i dont think modern bands are better. but if they came about in the 70's or 80's they would have been just one of the bunch imo

[Avante]

i dont think modern bands are better. but if they came about in the 70's or 80's they would have been just one of the bunch imo

Stick to being wrong about evolution, you know....0....about music. The Stones only real rival is The Beatles.

[spurraider21]

Stick to being wrong about evolution, you know....0....about music. The Stones only real rival is The Beatles.
another band from that era... which is completely missing my point

[K...]

Stones are overrated. They have a good output of music and they created their own blues, rock, pschy style. But then they pissed away any claim to greatness by stealing their early riffs from blues and putting out several decades of ordinary music.

Mick Jagger is a great singer, they wrote good songs. But they are at best a B+. I think the beatles are in the same class. Great songwriters but not especially noteworthy on their own merits. The beatles were more forward though, broke barriers for white men, and put out truly good albums. And they had the good sense to die off when their era ended.

Black Sabbath is pretty much on par with the Stones as far as lasting impact when you look at how metal was born. Stones just inspired a buch of frat rock shit bands. Black sabbath also had the good sense to die rather than put out average albums. But the difference in talent between ozzy and jagger is not great. They just had different styles.


It's ok to like the stones.....i do. I just don't think they;d stand out if they started a decade later, great songwriting notwithstanding.


as for rap.....this is my first time hearing wiz and man he is slow monotone rapper. I do like too short though.

[Avante]

another band from that era... which is completely missing my point

To think any band that could make the impact The Stones did would be just another band in some other era, tells me you dont get it.
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-best-rock-bands-of-all-time?var=2&utm_expid=16418821-135.-M4R2gbDRBSHMkmXmitadA.1&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fu rl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.ranker.com%2Fcrowdranked-list%2Fthe-best-rock-bands-of-all-time%26rct%3Dj%26frm%3D1%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26sa%3D U%26ved%3D0CCEQFjABahUKEwjH0vuH8N7HAhVDWx4KHdzOB9s %26usg%3DAFQjCNHo0ODKkSanzRQD5SX6jRABf2n73Q

[mrsmaalox]

The Stones is a legendary band but for Richards to make such a remark is ridiculous. Rap changed music in a way they never did. They were influenced by many as much as any other band is. You can hear the influence of rap in many genres from rock to country.

That's not influence, that's the "trendiness" Spurminator was talking about.

[Twisted_Dawg]

:lol
Be cool ya little cock sucker, got it?

[ohmwrecker]

70s era Stones, while not as great as their 60s output, was superior to a lot of the music coming out at the time. What the Stones did in the 70s by soaking up the music of the time, putting their own spin on it and usually improving on the trend was brilliant. Punk, funk, disco, country... The Stones did it better than just about anyone.

[HeadBanger]

That's not influence, that's the "trendiness" Spurminator was talking about.

That is a ridiculous statement. So the great Blues players created the "trendiness" of rock 'n roll? STFU.

[mrsmaalox]

That is a ridiculous statement. So the great Blues players created the "trendiness" of rock 'n roll? STFU.

What's ridiculous is your lack of reading comprehension. Did I say anything about blues players and rock n roll? Did I quote a comment of yours about blues and rock n roll? No idiot, if you take a look at the sentence I bolded for your simple ass, I was referring specifically to the rap trendiness we are seeing right now in rock and country. Learn to read or STFU.

[Koolaid_Man]

What's ridiculous is your lack of reading comprehension. Did I say anything about blues players and rock n roll? Did I quote a comment of yours about blues and rock n roll? No idiot, if you take a look at the sentence I bolded for your simple ass, I was referring specifically to the rap trendiness we are seeing right now in rock and country. Learn to read or STFU.


Please stop posting Maalox.....you make me cum all over myself every time...I run to the restroom to Jack off and it gets messy..you're ruining my sex life Maalox

[z0sa]

I think it's a bit more gray than ol Keith is getting at, but there's some truth in what he's saying. For example, listen to one of the greatest (by sales/consensus) rappers of the past decade or more, Kanye, try to sing without autotune/effects? shit sounds terrible and most people at Karaoke could do better. But he's a great writer with good hooks as long as he stays within his limited vocal range. Same with Jay-Z, and many other rappers who "yell over a drumbeat."

[Chris]

I think it's a bit more gray than ol Keith is getting at, but there's some truth in what he's saying. For example, listen to one of the greatest (by sales/consensus) rappers of the past decade or more, Kanye, try to sing without autotune/effects? shit sounds terrible and most people at Karaoke could do better. But he's a great writer with good hooks as long as he stays within his limited vocal range. Same with Jay-Z, and many other rappers who "yell over a drumbeat."

That's the surface of mainstream rap. Terrible music written by producers instead of artists. Keith pals around with those same slimy producers, so he has nary fucking room to talk. Good hip hop with a positive message will never make the radio, so you will never hear it unless you dig for it. Selling out means a lot more than just cashing in, Keith, Kanye, Jay-Z sold out a long time ago and are just playing their part.

[z0sa]

That's the surface of mainstream rap. Terrible music written by producers instead of artists. Keith pals around with those same slimy producers, so he has nary fucking room to talk. Good hip hop with a positive message will never make the radio, so you will never hear it unless you dig for it. Selling out means a lot more than just cashing in, Keith, Kanye, Jay-Z sold out a long time ago and are just playing their part.

True dat. I think a lot of people dont realize the lifestyle and production of mainstream music changes very little across the various genres. It isnt a racial thing or even a musical one, its all about $$$. Hence how the whole term, "selling out" was born. And as great as the Stones were in their heyday, to say they havent done their share of selling out is to deny the fact these fucks have been around for 50 years.

[tlongII]

He's right. Rap absolutely sucks.

[Buddy Mignon]

Fuck Richards...

bRChz-OYi9o

[Chris]

Fuck Richards...

bRChz-OYi9o

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[mingus]

I like certain kinds of rap/hip hop just like I like some kinds of rock.

That said I think rock musically has more going for it to make it have a longer lifespan. Rap is musically repetitive and pretty simple compared to rock. The Marshal Mathers LP is a great album but there's not a lot of nuance in it and depth musically compared to say Let it Bleed by the Stones. Lyrical depth is where rap excels compared to rock as a medium. Musicality is not rap's strength. I think even rappers would tell you that. He's comparing apples to oranges.

[Chinook]

Rap isn't as tonal as other genres (though it is much more tonal than just 'yelling over a drum beat' would imply), but it's still musical, and it requires great skill to do well. The best rappers use cadence in a way that most other vocalists just don't. If you listened to how Tupac and Biggie could change up their rhythms mid-verse, you know they had talent.

I don't see this as any different than the backlash to jazz when it first came out. Just because Richards doesn't understand what makes rap great doesn't mean that it's not (or rather that it can't be).

[mojorizen7]

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[Avante]

What happens is this....

Black kids get into what they hear on the radio. They have no understandings of the size of that musical world out therre, yep, ignorant. They know nothing about Sinatra, Little Richard, Johnny Cash, those British bands, ZZ Top, Hank Williams...

this....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlFIRH6zMWs


And few rappers have musical depths while The Stones knew about all those mentioned above, actually paying homage to THE KING Bob Wills.

Rap, is simple, for the simple, just your basic shit music telling us nothing at all. Just silliness kids can dig because they lack any knowledge of what's really going on.

The Stones knew the origins n the musifc, the rappers are clueless and it shows.

In the last 72 hours I've listened to...

Boz Scaggs
Eric Clapton
Tony Joe White
Tom Waits
Blind Willie Johnson
Big & Rich
Robert Johnson
Bonnie Raitt
Lucinda Williams
Robert Palmer
Miles Davis
Homer Callahan
Jimmie Davis
Dock Boggs
Billie Holliday

while a black kid will listen to the same old shit just different artist, never expanding his musicaol universe.

[Avante]

i dont think modern bands are better. but if they came about in the 70's or 80's they would have been just one of the bunch imo

Totally wrong, try 100%.

You obviously haven't listened to many bands.

[Avante]

In 1938 harmonica wizard Sonny Boy Willamson (the original) recorded this. Keith Richards knows all about Williamson, the rappers no clue.

Obviously Boz Scaggs also aware of Sonny Boy. This a fantastic cover, a must listen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQC0Bap6kY8


1938



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1juGi0MzOZA

[Adam Lambert]

Big & Rich


:lmao


while a black kid will listen to the same old shit just different artist, never expanding his musicaol universe.

you know like 80% of rap listeners are white

[Avante]

:lmao



you know like 80% of rap listeners are white[/COLOR]

So ya know nothing about Big & Rich?

Show me where ya got that stat.

[RGMCSE]

Fuck Richards...

bRChz-OYi9o

Are you pretending to be black now? I thought you were an Asian paki naruto lover muddling through life and dating trannies from dating sites? Or did I make this shit up?

[mingus]

Stones are overrated. They have a good output of music and they created their own blues, rock, pschy style. But then they pissed away any claim to greatness by stealing their early riffs from blues and putting out several decades of ordinary music.

Mick Jagger is a great singer, they wrote good songs. But they are at best a B+. I think the beatles are in the same class. Great songwriters but not especially noteworthy on their own merits. The beatles were more forward though, broke barriers for white men, and put out truly good albums. And they had the good sense to die off when their era ended.

Black Sabbath is pretty much on par with the Stones as far as lasting impact when you look at how metal was born. Stones just inspired a buch of frat rock shit bands. Black sabbath also had the good sense to die rather than put out average albums. But the difference in talent between ozzy and jagger is not great. They just had different styles.


It's ok to like the stones.....i do. I just don't think they;d stand out if they started a decade later, great songwriting notwithstanding.


as for rap.....this is my first time hearing wiz and man he is slow monotone rapper. I do like too short though.

The average good band puts out 2-3 great albums. For example the Beach Boys, GnR, Aerosmith, NiN to name a few.

The Stones and Beatles put out 6-7 great albums. Dylan as well. Zep put out around that many too. I'm wondering what specific bands you'd say have a better discography than them.

[Capt Bringdown]

"I don't like rap music at all. I don't think it's music. It's just a beat and rapping."
-Nina Simone

[Clipper Nation]

So ya know nothing about Big & Rich?

They're country-western, therefore garbage.