Bathroom Access For Transgender Student Sparks Debate

[spurraider21]

Bathroom access for transgender teen divides Missouri town (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/living/missouri-transgender-teen-feat/)

:lol

[hater]

:lmao stupid rednecks.

[apalisoc_9]

America going down the drain.

Homosexuality is a disease.

[hater]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150902092026-transgender-teen-locker-room-lila-perry-pkg-00001701-exlarge-169.jpg

:lmao this fucking country

[CosmicCowboy]

High school? Ill be amazed if the wanna be he/she doesn't get his ass beat down.

[CosmicCowboy]

Also if he wants to dress like a girl someone should show that bitch how to use bobby pins correctly.

[spurraider21]

Resident sjw's noticeably absent

[Blake]

Resident sjw's noticeably absent

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start at 9:20 mark

[spurraider21]

Piggyback other people's talking points. Never change Blake

[Blake]

If he's right he's right. Why the salt

[RD2191]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150902092026-transgender-teen-locker-room-lila-perry-pkg-00001701-exlarge-169.jpg

:lmao this fucking country

Is that Blake in high school?

[Trainwreck2100]

Should be interesting, student's privacy rights don't extend into school.

[spurraider21]

If he's right he's right. Why the salt
because it's a much more nuanced question than what he lets on

i love oliver's show... but there are a lot of unanswered questions. how does a student "register" as transgender with a school, how long do they have to act transgender to be treated as such with respect to bathrooms, etc.

he mentions how that sort of crime "basically never happens" but that's also because transgender rights is a pretty new topic of discussion

[Blake]

because it's a much more nuanced question than what he lets on

i love oliver's show... but there are a lot of unanswered questions. how does a student "register" as transgender with a school, how long do they have to act transgender to be treated as such with respect to bathrooms, etc.

he mentions how that sort of crime "basically never happens" but that's also because transgender rights is a pretty new topic of discussion

who's questions are those? Yours?

why would it suddenly be so scary to have a transgender go into the bathroom with a little girl? Do you also get scared if you see a priest go into a bathroom with a little boy?

[CosmicCowboy]

Wow, Blake really takes this transgender shit personally. Were you wearing her bra and panties when your wife cucked you?

[Blake]

Wow, Blake really takes this transgender shit personally. Were you wearing her bra and panties when your wife cucked you?

Wow

[spurraider21]

who's questions are those? Yours?

why would it suddenly be so scary to have a transgender go into the bathroom with a little girl? Do you also get scared if you see a priest go into a bathroom with a little boy?
where did i say i'm scared?

learn to read

[CosmicCowboy]

Is he actually trangender if he hasn't had any surgical or hormonal procedures done? At this point isn't he just a guy with a hanging dick wearing girls clothes?

[Blake]

where did i say i'm scared?

learn to read

You brought this up:
he mentions how that sort of crime "basically never happens" but that's also because transgender rights is a pretty new topic of discussion

you're referring to the video where the dude goes in after the little girl does. If it's not fear that girl will get harmed, then what's the concern?

[Blake]

Is he actually trangender if he hasn't had any surgical or hormonal procedures done? At this point isn't he just a guy with a hanging dick wearing girls clothes?

Wow yeah it's that simple. Don't even know why this is an issue!

[spurraider21]

You brought this up:

you're referring to the video where the dude goes in after the little girl does. If it's not fear that girl will get harmed, then what's the concern?
i never expressed fear of any kind. and that video was moronic and had nothing to do with transgender anyway, as that was clearly just a dude entering a girls bathroom

[z0sa]

If you have man parts, stay out of the girls' restroom and stay out of the girls' locker room.

[Blake]

i never expressed fear of any kind. and that video was moronic and had nothing to do with transgender anyway, as that was clearly just a dude entering a girls bathroom

Right, so what's the concern then?

[spurraider21]

Right, so what's the concern then?

because it's a much more nuanced question than what he lets on

i love oliver's show... but there are a lot of unanswered questions. how does a student "register" as transgender with a school, how long do they have to act transgender to be treated as such with respect to bathrooms, etc.

[spurraider21]

i'll give you time to dig up more john oliver clips so you can answer my question

[TeyshaBlue]

If you have man parts, stay out of the girls' restroom and stay out of the girls' locker room.

Bingo.

[DarrinS]

The wise people of San Fran

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bathrooms-at-Miraloma-Elementary-in-S-F-go-6481544.php

[Clipper Nation]

Wow, Blake really takes this transgender shit personally. Were you wearing her bra and panties when your wife cucked you?
:lmao

[Blake]

i'll give you time to dig up more john oliver clips so you can answer my question

Wow my personal opinion is really important to you. I guess i should be flattered.

As for your unanswered questions, they've already been answered. It's not a terribly hard google to find how a transgender student might "register". They have to demonstrate living as the opposite sex in every day life and have it verified by parents and/or healthcare professional

https://www.nfhs.org/articles/developing-policies-for-transgender-students-on-high-school-teams/

Was that your only concern or do you have other unanswered questions that you need me and specifically only me to answer?

[spurraider21]

Piggyback other people's talking points. Never change Blake

[Blake]

Wow my personal opinion is really important to you.

[spurraider21]

in case you didn't now, this is an internet forum. we're here to share opinions and hear others. this concept seems foreign to you.

but if you want to change the topic from the OP to making this about me, then that's on you

[Blake]

in case you didn't now, this is an internet forum. we're here to share opinions and hear others. this concept seems foreign to you.

but if you want to change the topic from the OP to making this about me, then that's on you

I shared another's opinion that I agreed with. Then you made it about me in post #9. You still are making it about me and what I'm posting.

[apalisoc_9]

Transgender aren't females Period...

If this homo does not want to use a gender neutral bathroom, he either needs to pee on his pants or use the men's bathroom.

America the land of the cuxkload and the trans..

Good job...You guys have a great society...

Cant wait to see the US of A 50 years from now.

[spurraider21]

I shared another's opinion that I agreed with. Then you made it about me in post #9. You still are making it about me and what I'm posting.
probably because (as i already said), oliver's clip, while funny, didn't address certain concerns

[Blake]

probably because (as i already said), oliver's clip, while funny, didn't address certain concerns

What exactly is your concern again?

[spurraider21]

your reading needs serious work


i love oliver's show... but there are a lot of unanswered questions. how does a student "register" as transgender with a school, how long do they have to act transgender to be treated as such with respect to bathrooms, etc.

[Silver&Black]

At this point isn't he just a guy with a hanging dick wearing girls clothes?

Yeah...pretty much.

[mingus]

The majority of girls I've talked to about this wouldn't care fwiw. Maybe he's just weird aside from the fact that he's a tranny, maybe it's that he's not a tranny but that he's uncomfortable to girls there.

[vy65]

Wow, Blake really takes this transgender shit personally. Were you wearing her bra and panties when your wife cucked you?

http://media1.giphy.com/media/APNXnSYadQYO4/giphy.gif

[vy65]

Op needs the host of Fear Factor to articulate his thoughts for him

Lol Joe Rogan


It's apathy.

This is your thread, your YouTube. Why are you too chicken shit and lazy to articulate a summary opinion on it?


I'm just here to lol op.

:cry why won't you watch my edgy YouTubes :cry

Lol op


what a whiny bitch. It's your thread. Do your own work. Why can't you explain your videos, dumbfuck?


instead of asking others to do work, how about you go over his main points and articulate why he's correct and why it's relevant? Why can't you do that?

lol Blake needs this guy to articulate his opinions:

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[spurraider21]

to be fair oliver's show is actually pretty good though

[vy65]

not the point but sure whatever

[Clipper Nation]

to be fair oliver's show is actually pretty good though

Oliver is another unfunny SJW cuck.

[Blake]

lol Blake needs this guy to articulate his opinions:


Neh, didn't need him but I was lazy to type.

But rofl you're still angry that you got shit on in your lol Joe Rogan thread.

[Blake]

your reading needs serious work

I already explained how transgender students get "registered".

Your reading blows. So does your googling skills

[spurraider21]

I already explained how transgender students get "registered".

Your reading blows. So does your googling skills
my reading is just fine. that link you posted didn't answer any of my questions.

maybe you should read your own links before claiming they answered my question. your link essentially discussed the inclusion of transgender students in sports, yet said nothing about how a student registers are transgender, how long they must act transgender to be treated as such, etc.

by claiming your link answered any of those questions, you are the one showing you need to hone in on your reading skills

like i said, i'll give some time for john oliver to have another episode about it

[vy65]

Neh, didn't need him but I was lazy to type.

But rofl you're still angry that you got shit on in your lol Joe Rogan thread.

You did the same thing you claimed I did, but you're either too stupid or too much of a pussy to admit to it.

Lol St Blake, patron saint of cucks and trannys

[Blake]

my reading is just fine. that link you posted didn't answer any of my questions.

maybe you should read your own links before claiming they answered my question. your link essentially discussed the inclusion of transgender students in sports, yet said nothing about how a student registers are transgender, how long they must act transgender to be treated as such, etc.

by claiming your link answered any of those questions, you are the one showing you need to hone in on your reading skills

like i said, i'll give some time for john oliver to have another episode about it

The link answered it just fine imo. There's no school-made "time frame" of how long a dude needs to be wearing a skirt at school before they let him/her use the girls bathroom.

Like I said, it's when the parents and/or a healthcare professional verify it to the school that the kid identifies as the other gender.

I'm not sure why this leaves it unanswered for you. It answers the issue just fine for the schools.

[Blake]

You did the same thing you claimed I did, but you're either too stupid or too much of a pussy to admit to it.

Lol St Blake, patron saint of cucks and trannys

Well no, the difference is that spurraider said that sjw's were noticeably absent so I gave him one. I also happen to agree with his opinion on the matter.

...whereas you posted a new thread all on your own pimping Joe Rogan's video begging others to watch it and see if they can argue against his points.

I said "what points specifically?" and you kept crying ":cry watch the video :cry". You weren't able to talk at all. You absolutely needed lol Joe Rogan to speak and debate for you.

[MultiTroll]

Male or Female?
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[Blake]

You guys that want Caitlin to be in the men's bathroom next to you at the urinal have something to cheer for today:


.....Lewis has even spoken to his state's Legislature against a bill that would require transgender students like him to use bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond to their sex at birth, telling them that such a law "makes me feel like I'm not a human being."

It fell on mostly deaf ears: South Dakota is a governor's signature away from being the first state in the U.S. to approve such a law.

Several states have looked at addressing gender and public facilities in the past several years. South Dakota's bathroom bill is one of several measures introduced in its 2016 legislative session addressing transgender rights, including one that would void a South Dakota high school activities association policy that allows transgender student athletes to request playing on the team of their choice.

Advocates say the bathroom bill is meant to protect the privacy of students and not meant to be hurtful. Republican Sen. David Omdahl, a supporter, said it's inappropriate for a young girl to be exposed to the anatomy of a boy.

Opponents say it's discriminatory, and Lewis says it exposes a significant problem.........

http://abcnews.go.com/US/killed-multiple-shootings-michigan/story?id=37091364

[vy65]

These people are fucking freaks and kowtowing to them shows how much of a victimhood-obsessed, weak, and narcissistic society we unfortunately belong to.

[clambake]

no shit. we should treat them like fucking freaks. right?

[Th'Pusher]

Yeah. Round up a bunch of them and charge admission so normal people can gawk at the freaks!

[clambake]

yep, gonna need somebody who has put forth great forethought.

i'd like to nominate vy65.

[vy65]

No, we should indulge everyone's neuroses instead.

[DarrinS]

So, did they give blake bathroom access?

[vy65]

lol posters crying about :cry the roundup :cry everytime someone calls out bullshit claims for muh rights

pathetic

[clambake]

you should ask someone, anyone to read your shit before you post.

[vy65]

Why?

[clambake]

pretty big dog for someone that claims not to have a dog.

[Blake]

pretty big dog for someone that claims not to have a dog.


":madrun I don't give a shit about these fucking freaks that our weak society kowtows to :madrun"

[Blake]

Why?

Sidebar. ...what's up with this thread:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257227&highlight=eunuchs

[vy65]

pretty big dog for someone that claims not to have a dog.

Vague and cryptic ... why don't you speak what's on your mind?

[vy65]

":madrun I don't give a shit about these fucking freaks that our weak society kowtows to :madrun"

You're right, I don't.

[clambake]

actually, you give a huge shit.

just re-read your posting from the last week and you'll see a giant turd.

[vy65]

actually, you give a huge shit.

just re-read your posting from the last week and you'll see a giant turd.

You're still being vague -- why/how do I give a shit? Use your words.

[clambake]

i used your words.

if you didn't have a dog, you wouldn't be barking.

turns out, you bark a lot. you are not on the fence.

[vy65]

i used your words.

if you didn't have a dog, you wouldn't be barking.

turns out, you bark a lot. you are not on the fence.

You didn't use shit and you're hiding behind metaphors.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You didn't use shit and you're hiding behind metaphors.

:lol acting coy again, counselor crayola?

[clambake]

sure

[clambake]

for real he don't get it.

[vy65]

Clearly don't get it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

These people are fucking freaks and kowtowing to them shows how much of a victimhood-obsessed, weak, and narcissistic society we unfortunately belong to.

[vy65]

That's what I said Fuzzy, very good.

[clambake]

ruff ruff

[FuzzyLumpkins]

actually, you give a huge shit.

just re-read your posting from the last week and you'll see a giant turd.


You're still being vague -- why/how do I give a shit? Use your words.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Counselor crayola claims to be an attorney. He sure does suck at argumentation though doesn't he?

I just imagine this coy petulant routine in actual action.

[vy65]

^ I wanted him to clarify what my "posting from last week was." Apparently that's too much to ask, so I just got snark.

[vy65]

Counselor crayola claims to be an attorney. He sure does suck at argumentation though doesn't he?

I just imagine this coy petulant routine in actual action.

cool

[FuzzyLumpkins]

cool

If you say so, crayola. It's been laid out that you are incompetent or lying.

Your rant about how transexuals and the like is the downfall of society was adorable. Youre a really brave person.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

^ I wanted him to clarify what my "posting from last week was." Apparently that's too much to ask, so I just got snark.

This comes back to the incompetence versus coy thing I was talking about earlier. You have no credibility so who gives a shit frankly?

[clambake]

this may be something different.

maybe you don't think your dog is a dog.

[vy65]

If you say so, crayola. It's been laid out that you are incompetent or lying.

Your rant about how transexuals and the like is the downfall of society was adorable. Youre a really brave person.

lol the guy who's got half the forum on ignore talking about bravery

[vy65]

this may be something different.

maybe you don't think your dog is a dog.

cool

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol the guy who's got half the forum on ignore talking about bravery

yeah because my motivation was fear.

:lol you still haven't figured out the point of that or the fan club.

[DarrinS]

Is clambake a Chump alt?

[vy65]

yeah because my motivation was fear.

:lol you still haven't figured out the point of that or the fan club.

Yes, clearly the mysteries of your corny attempts at insult humor are beyond me :lol

Keep talking about bravery while cowering from half the forum.

[Blake]

Is clambake a Chump alt?

Are you a Wild Cobra alt?

[clambake]

Is clambake a Chump alt?

we're triplets. there's me, chump and cowboy.






boo is a stepbrother.

[spurraider21]

if you didn't have a dog, you wouldn't be barking.
are you implying that dog owners bark?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You guys that want Caitlin to be in the men's bathroom next to you at the urinal have something to cheer for today:

You guys that don't mind your little daughters being perved on by grown men in a woman's locker room have something to cheer for today:


Seattle Parks and Recreation is facing a first-of-a-kind challenge to gender bathroom rules. A man undressed in a women's locker room, citing a new state rule that allows people to choose a bathroom based on gender identity.


It was a busy time at Evans Pool around 5:30pm Monday February 8. The pool was open for lap swim. According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, a man wearing board shorts entered the women's locker room and took off his shirt. Women alerted staff, who told the man to leave, but he said "the law has changed and I have a right to be here."


"Really bizarre," MaryAnne Sato said. "I can't imagine why they would want to do that anyway!"


Sato uses the locker room a few times a week, but she says this is a first for her. It's also a first for Seattle Parks and Recreation. Employees report that the man made no verbal or physical attempt to identify as a woman, yet he still cited a new rule that allows bathroom choice based on gender identification.

The issue drew protesters from both sides to Olympia on Monday. Opponents claim the rule opens up bathrooms to voyeurs but supporters say that's an unrealistic fear.


No one was arrested in this case and police weren't called, even though the man returned a second time while young girls were changing for swim practice.


"Sort of works against the point they're trying to make. They're causing people to feel exposed and vulnerable with the intention of reducing people feeling exposed and vulnerable," said pool regular Aldan Shank.

The man's protest, if that's what it was, hurts the greater cause, Shank says.


As far as policy to protect everyone, Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami says they're still working on the issue. Right now, there's no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom. Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance, and this man offered neither.

"This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff – someone who was “identifying” as a woman," Takami wrote in a statement to KING 5. "We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities."

http://www.krem.com/news/local/northwest/man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/45412534

[Blake]

You guys that don't mind your little daughters being perved on by grown men in a woman's locker room have something to cheer for today:

So you prefer he be in the boys room perving on your little son instead? Yes or no, serious question

[Blake]

"RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — The Latest on North Carolina lawmakers returning to work to address Charlotte's ordinance that lets transgender people choose men's and women's bathrooms according to the gender they identify with (all times local):

10:30 p.m.

North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory has signed legislation designed to rein in local governments passing their own anti-discrimination rules.

McCrory's office confirmed he signed the law late Wednesday night, hours after the legislature finalized the bill in a one-day work session.

Lawmakers returned to Raleigh because a Charlotte City Council ordinance was supposed to take effect April 1 that expanded protections on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity for treatment at hotels and restaurants.

Critics focused on the ability of transgender people to use the bathroom or locker rooms aligned with their gender identity. So did McCrory, Charlotte's mayor for 14 years.

The resulting legislation went further. Now cities, towns and counties can't pass anti-discrimination rules beyond a new state standard. And public schools, public college campuses and government agencies must require bathrooms or locker rooms be designated for use only by people based on their biological sex...."



http://news.yahoo.com/latest-lawmakers-met-charlotte-ordinance-151345906.html

[Blake]

Let's make sure cities at the local level don't allow freak in public bathrooms!

[Pelicans78]

Some dude with a dick wearing a dress shouldn't be allowed to go into the women's restroom.

[ChumpDumper]

Local control!

Small gubmit!

[Blake]

Some dude with a dick wearing a dress shouldn't be allowed to go into the women's restroom.

So you want dude in a dress next to you at the urinal. Noted.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you want dude in a dress next to you at the urinal. Noted.
I would think dude with a dick and a dress would prefer to squat?

[Blake]

This cracks me up every time

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[Splits]

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[MultiTroll]

This cracks me up every time

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Be careful what you ask for Blake.

[TheSanityAnnex]

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[rmt]

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Would you please explain what these pics mean?

[Blake]

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Corporations expressed disappointment Thursday and the NCAA vowed to monitor what North Carolina does next now that the state has banned any local government measures protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

American Airlines, which operates its second-largest hub in Charlotte; IBM and Biogen, which have facilities in the state's Research Triangle; and payments processor PayPal, which had announced plans to hire 400 people in Charlotte only last week, were among major employers condemning the new law.

The legislature called a special session Wednesday to void a Charlotte ordinance that would have enabled transgender people to legally use restrooms aligned with their gender identity, and would have provided broad protections against discrimination in public accommodations in the state's largest city.

The new law now prevents the state's cities and counties from passing their own anti-discrimination rules, and instead imposes a statewide standard that leaves out sexual orientation and gender identity.

North Carolina is the first state to require public school and university students to use only those bathrooms that match their birth certificates, according to the National Conference on State Legislatures.

The state law "is a clear step backwards. Sad day," tweeted Jim Whitehurst, chief executive of Raleigh-based open-source software company Red Hat.



http://news.yahoo.com/gay-rights-rally-set-lawmakers-overturn-charlotte-act-081140615.html

[MultiTroll]

Would you please explain what these pics mean?
And would everyone who replies please stop re posting all 8 or so pictures of the chemicalized up dude?

[ChumpDumper]

Would you please explain what these pics mean?
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-06-2014/5mG3oA.gif

[rmt]

That's a guy? I'm not getting that clip either - some movie I haven't seen? I know I'm behind times, but can't you guys be a little clearer?

[ChumpDumper]

That's a guy? That's basically what the clip says ("It's a man, baby!").

I really don't know why Splits posted the pictures, but he sure seemed to have them at the ready.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's a guy? I'm not getting that clip either - some movie I haven't seen? I know I'm behind times, but can't you guys be a little clearer?
They have dicks and Splits masturbates to the pictures.

[Mitch]

If he cuts off his dick or she gets a dick installed then might as well let them switch bathrooms. Until then, you shouldn't be allowed tbh - pretty sure girls don't to see a super feminine guy with an oscar's meyers weenie poking through his skirt.

[Spurminator]

I have literally never seen the genitals of anyone I've been in a public bathroom with. I don't know what kind of fucked up bathrooms you guys are used to.

[ChumpDumper]

I have literally never seen the genitals of anyone I've been in a public bathroom with. I don't know what kind of fucked up bathrooms you guys are used to.The ones where all the little girls are getting raped by guys in dresses.

[Spurminator]

We live in a world where any pervert can pull up just about anything he wants online and jack off to it right there on his sofa. Yet still, somehow people think there's going to be this huge influx of perverted dudes dressing up as women (or, even more laughably, putting on a longterm charade as a trans woman) just for the pleasure of going into a room where girls are pissing and shitting inside a toilet stall.

[spurraider21]

We live in a world where any pervert can pull up just about anything he wants online and jack off to it right there on his sofa. Yet still, somehow people think there's going to be this huge influx of perverted dudes dressing up as women (or, even more laughably, putting on a longterm charade as a trans woman) just for the pleasure of going into a room where girls are pissing and shitting inside a toilet stall.
its a room where women are in about as vulnerable a position as you can find them

[ChumpDumper]

its a room where women are in about as vulnerable a position as you can find themUm, how do you think women go to the bathroom?

[spurraider21]

Um, how do you think women go to the bathroom?
in a seated position with pants down. in a stall

[boutons_deux]

guys after transgendering are often castrated, both physically and hormonally, plus testosterone blockade.

you ignorant fucks think they are transvestite men trying to screw women in bathrooms, locker rooms, like Huckabee said he wished he could have done.

[ChumpDumper]

in a seated position with pants downUsually behind a locked door, more often in the company of other women than not.

Seriously, if this was such a problem, why have we never really heard of women being raped in restrooms by men dressed as women? It not like their presence had been forbidden by law before.

[Spurminator]

its a room where women are in about as vulnerable a position as you can find them

Do you believe that a man who would rape a woman in a bathroom is going to be stopped by a law keeping trans women out of the women's restroom?

[Spurminator]

I do appreciate that this issue has caused conservatives to momentary depart from victim-blaming and skepticism to actually show some concern for the safety of women against sexual assault, I just think there are dozens of arenas where this concern would be better applied.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you believe that a man who would rape a woman in a bathroom is going to be stopped by a law keeping trans women out of the women's restroom?It's right up there with voter impersonation as a scourge of civil society tbh.

[Spurminator]

Frankly if they really care this much about protecting women from rapists, they should ban co-ed colleges.

[boutons_deux]

Frankly if they really care this much about protecting women from rapists, they should ban co-ed colleges.

and spend money on 100Ks of rape kits nationwide NEVER analyzed, keeping rapists free to rape repeatedly.

[spurraider21]

Do you believe that a man who would rape a woman in a bathroom is going to be stopped by a law keeping trans women out of the women's restroom?
where did i mention rape?

i'll save you the time, i didn't. nor did i imply that the only concern is physical assault. why do we currently separate mens bathrooms from womens bathrooms? is it just about rape?

[ChumpDumper]

where did i mention rape?

i'll save you the time, i didn't. nor did i imply that the only concern is physical assault. why do we currently separate mens bathrooms from womens bathrooms? is it just about rape?What is it about for you?

[Spurminator]

where did i mention rape?

i'll save you the time, i didn't. nor did i imply that the only concern is physical assault. why do we currently separate mens bathrooms from womens bathrooms? is it just about rape?

I assumed that's what you meant the women were vulnerable to when you brought up their vulnerability. If it's not rape or assault, then what is it? Cleanliness?

[daslicer]

How are they going to enforce this law are they going to force people to show their birth certificates before they enter the bathroom?

[Blake]

- pretty sure girls don't to see a super feminine guy with an oscar's meyers weenie poking through his skirt.

So you're saying you want to?

[Blake]

How are they going to enforce this law are they going to force people to show their birth certificates before they enter the bathroom?

Mitch will check weenies at the door

[mingus]

IMO transgender is probably less like to rape a woman than regular dude. Since, simply put, they are not attracted to women. Every single women I've talked to about this says they'd allow it unhesitatingly.

Now, it's different in a school than in other places. In a school, you can't impersonate a woman/girl and pass yourself off as transgender since students would be able to verify whether said person is truly transgender or not (this is more or less true, depending on the size of the school, but I think regardless transgenders should have to let school authorities know if they'll be using opposite sex restrooms so unaware female students can be made aware of who they are so that they don't even have to worry in the slightest about someone who shouldn't be in there being in there).

A a school is different than other places however. In a mall for example f you've got a dick you should have to use the men's restroom. Too easy for a sick pervert who's never seen a pussy in his life to dress as/impersonate a woman and get away with it if we assume authenticity.

[TheSanityAnnex]

IMO transgender is probably less like to rape a woman than regular dude. Since, simply put, they are not attracted to women. Every single women I've talked to about this says they'd allow it unhesitatingly.

Now, it's different in a school than in other places. In a school, you can't impersonate a woman/girl and pass yourself off as transgender since students would be able to verify whether said person is truly transgender. In a mall tho if you've got a dick you should have to use the men's restroom. Too easy for a sick pervert who's never seen a pussy in his life to dress as/impersonate a woman and get away with it if we assume authenticity.
No need to impersonate a woman

http://www.king5.com/news/man-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/65533111

Seattle Parks and Recreation is facing a first-of-a-kind challenge to gender bathroom rules. A man undressed in a women's locker room, citing a new state rule that allows people to choose a bathroom based on gender identity.
It was a busy time at Evans Pool around 5:30pm Monday February 8. The pool was open for lap swim. According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, a man wearing board shorts entered the women's locker room and took off his shirt. Women alerted staff, who told the man to leave, but he said "the law has changed and I have a right to be here."
"Really bizarre," MaryAnne Sato said. "I can't imagine why they would want to do that anyway!"
Sato uses the locker room a few times a week, but she says this is a first for her. It's also a first for Seattle Parks and Recreation. Employees report that the man made no verbal or physical attempt to identify as a woman, yet he still cited a new rule that allows bathroom choice based on gender identification.
The issue drew protesters from both sides to Olympia (http://www.king5.com/story/news/politics/state/2016/02/15/supporters-protesters-wa-transgender-bathroom-rule-protest/80410108/) on Monday. Opponents claim the rule opens up bathrooms to voyeurs but supporters say that's an unrealistic fear.
No one was arrested in this case and police weren't called, even though the man returned a second time while young girls were changing for swim practice.
"Sort of works against the point they're trying to make. They're causing people to feel exposed and vulnerable with the intention of reducing people feeling exposed and vulnerable," said pool regular Aldan Shank.
The man's protest, if that's what it was, hurts the greater cause, Shank says.
As far as policy to protect everyone, Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami says they're still working on the issue. Right now, there's no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom. Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance, and this man offered neither.

"This didn't seem like a transgender issue to staff – someone who was "identifying" as a woman," Takami wrote in a statement to KING 5. "We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities."

[mingus]

No need to impersonate a woman

http://www.king5.com/news/man-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/65533111

Seattle Parks and Recreation is facing a first-of-a-kind challenge to gender bathroom rules. A man undressed in a women's locker room, citing a new state rule that allows people to choose a bathroom based on gender identity.
It was a busy time at Evans Pool around 5:30pm Monday February 8. The pool was open for lap swim. According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, a man wearing board shorts entered the women's locker room and took off his shirt. Women alerted staff, who told the man to leave, but he said "the law has changed and I have a right to be here."
"Really bizarre," MaryAnne Sato said. "I can't imagine why they would want to do that anyway!"
Sato uses the locker room a few times a week, but she says this is a first for her. It's also a first for Seattle Parks and Recreation. Employees report that the man made no verbal or physical attempt to identify as a woman, yet he still cited a new rule that allows bathroom choice based on gender identification.
The issue drew protesters from both sides to Olympia (http://www.king5.com/story/news/politics/state/2016/02/15/supporters-protesters-wa-transgender-bathroom-rule-protest/80410108/) on Monday. Opponents claim the rule opens up bathrooms to voyeurs but supporters say that's an unrealistic fear.
No one was arrested in this case and police weren't called, even though the man returned a second time while young girls were changing for swim practice.
"Sort of works against the point they're trying to make. They're causing people to feel exposed and vulnerable with the intention of reducing people feeling exposed and vulnerable," said pool regular Aldan Shank.
The man's protest, if that's what it was, hurts the greater cause, Shank says.
As far as policy to protect everyone, Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami says they're still working on the issue. Right now, there's no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom. Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance, and this man offered neither.

"This didn't seem like a transgender issue to staff – someone who was "identifying" as a woman," Takami wrote in a statement to KING 5. "We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities."

Yeah this is where it gets tricky, and why it really only works to my liking in smaller type communities with some type of membership (ie schools). In such cases, they should have to let authorities know they'll be using opposite sex restrooms and be granted access based on their ability to provide legitimate support that they're actually transgender & not impersonators. If this means having to seeking out a psychologist and getting their acceptance, then I'm fine with that. I don't know what this Parks and Recreation place is exactly, but maybe they can do something like that. If a woman has questions about an encounter she can take it up to authorities if she wants and they can investigate whether that person has been granted access. Or maybe they can not do anything about it and let business, in terms of its profitability and safety, decide what they should do. I think all places open to public tho should implement some sort of system Like the one I suggested or something else that works.

But just allowing people to go in and out as they please is bound to cause problems or issues that could've been prevented.

[spurraider21]

The statement that transcender women aren't attracted to women isn't necessarily true. Gender identity and sexual preference are two independent scales.

[spurraider21]

What is it about for you?


I assumed that's what you meant the women were vulnerable to when you brought up their vulnerability. If it's not rape or assault, then what is it? Cleanliness?
The comfort level of the occupants. Women generally feel more comfortable in a restroom with other women than with men. Did you actually think separate bathrooms exist only for purposes of rape prevention?

[ChumpDumper]

The comfort level of the occupants. Do you think separate bathrooms exist only for purposes of rape?It's certainly not the reason stalls have doors.

[MultiTroll]

:lol 7 to go Rumpy.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol 7 to go Rumpy.
3/25/2016

[HI-FI]

:lol 7 to go Rumpy.
:lol
Chump is about to hit 100K. a milestone for shilling.

[spurraider21]

It's certainly not the reason stalls have doors.
which neither of us asserted in the first place :tu

But do you think we have separate bathrooms right now just because of rape fear? What do you think the reasons are?

[Blake]

which neither of us asserted in the first place :tu

But do you think we have separate bathrooms right now just because of rape fear? What do you think the reasons are?

You're the one that asserted that they are vulnerable

[ChumpDumper]

which neither of us asserted in the first place :tuYour wording led to a likely inference.


But do you think we have separate bathrooms right now just because of rape fear? What do you think the reasons are?If it's comfort, is perceived comfort to be encoded in law now? Who determines the perceived comfort level?

[spurraider21]

You're the one that asserted that they are vulnerable
And vulnerable = rape? :lol that's quite the inference

[CosmicCowboy]

Bathroom segregation should simply come down to hardware. There should be no swinging dicks in the women's restroom. Fuck this PC bullshit.

[Blake]

And vulnerable = rape? :lol that's quite the inference

So when you say women are at their most vulnerable in the bathroom, what exactly are they vulnerable to?

[Blake]

Bathroom segregation should simply come down to hardware. There should be no swinging dicks in the women's restroom. Fuck this PC bullshit.

Add CC to the list that wants Caitlyn with him in the same bathroom.

Anyone else?

[boutons_deux]

NC law also blocks NC cities from raising min wage

Repugs fucking suck

[CosmicCowboy]

Add CC to the list that wants Caitlyn with him in the same bathroom.

Anyone else?

If he/she has the hardware to pee standing up I have no problem with it.

[Blake]

If he/she has the hardware to pee standing up I have no problem with it.

You have no problem with someone that looks exactly like a woman pissing in a urinal next to you. Even though you have no idea she/he has a dick you had no idea about until the skirt was raised at the stall.

Noted.

[tlongII]

Well in Europe they have unisex bathrooms in a bunch of places.

[Blake]

Well in Europe they have unisex bathrooms in a bunch of places.

comfort vulnerability levels must be off the chart

[CosmicCowboy]

You have no problem with someone that looks exactly like a woman pissing in a urinal next to you. Even though you have no idea she/he has a dick you had no idea about until the skirt was raised at the stall.

Noted.

Well Blake, most MEN aren't as sensitive as you are.

[ChumpDumper]

Well Blake, most MEN aren't as sensitive as you are.You are so sensitive you are sensitive on behalf of women and what you perceive to be their comfort

That's pretty sensitive for a "MAN" tbh.

[Blake]

Well Blake, most MEN aren't as sensitive as you are.

Oh. The caps sting more than lower case letters.

[CosmicCowboy]

You are so sensitive you are sensitive on behalf of women and what you perceive to be their comfort

That's pretty sensitive for a "MAN" tbh.

Chump, I realize you are one of the Austin effete, but in the rest of Texas most of is still hold women in high esteem and don't want guys randomly whipping out their hardware in women's restrooms uninvited.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, I realize you are one of the Austin effete, but in the rest of Texas most of is still hold women in high esteem and don't want guys randomly whipping out their hardware in women's restrooms uninvited.Hey, paternalistic and terrified on behalf of women you seek to infantilize. Your views are indistinguishable from that of the Taliban.

You really don't know how women go to the bathroom tbh. A mystery after all these years.

What you described would still be against the law that already exists everywhere, Mufti.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hey, paternalistic and terrified on behalf of women you seek to infantilize. Your views are indistinguishable from that of the Taliban.

You really don't know how women go to the bathroom tbh. A mystery after all these years.

What you described would still be against the law that already exists everywhere, Mufti.

uhhh...wrong buckwheat. In many jurisdictions all is required is that the perv claim to "identify" as a woman and he is free to use the women's facilities.

[ChumpDumper]

uhhh...wrong buckwheat. In many jurisdictions all is required is that the perv claim to "identify" as a woman and he is free to use the women's facilities.That is not what you described, Mufti.

lol "guys randomly whipping out their hardware"

Do you think they pee in the sink or something?

[CosmicCowboy]

Hey, paternalistic and terrified on behalf of women you seek to infantilize. Your views are indistinguishable from that of the Taliban.

You really don't know how women go to the bathroom tbh. A mystery after all these years.

What you described would still be against the law that already exists everywhere, Mufti.

Try exposing your dick to a Taliban's wife and see what happens.

[ChumpDumper]

Try exposing your dick to a Taliban's wife and see what happens.How would it be different from what you would do, Mufti?

[CosmicCowboy]

How would it be different from what you would do, Mufti?

I am perfectly happy using men's restrooms and leaving ladies restrooms to the ladies.

I'm surprised this is such a big issue for you. Is there something you want to share with us?

[ChumpDumper]

I am perfectly happy using men's restrooms and leaving ladies restrooms to the ladies.

I'm surprised this is such a big issue for you. Is there something you want to share with us?It's not a big issue for me, Mufti.

You're the one who wants to take away any decision making from women. I believe they can decide for themselves without your "help."

Is there any reason you want to take away any power from women that you want share with us, Mufti? Do they threaten you, Mufti?

[CosmicCowboy]

It's not a big issue for me, Mufti.

You're the one who wants to take away any decision making from women. I believe they can decide for themselves without your "help."

Is there any reason you want to take away any power from women that you want share with us, Mufti? Do they threaten you, Mufti?

I guess I'm too stupid to understand the mufti 'insult"

I do understand that you advocate men peeing in women's restrooms and using their dressing rooms and leering at them change into their exercise clothes at gyms. You see that as being open minded.

Most of us see that are being a fucking perv.

[Splits]

Kansas Bill Would Pay Students A $2,500 Bounty To Hunt For Trans People In Bathrooms


With only two weeks left in the Kansas legislation session, state lawmakers have introduced a pair of bills (http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article66852127.html) that would prohibit transgender students from using restrooms that match their gender. The “Student Physical Privacy Act” would apply not only to public schools, but all public universities in the state as well, guaranteeing that anyone who saw someone transgender in the bathroom could sue their school for $2,500 for every time that it happened.

The complementary bills (SB 513 (http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/measures/sb513/) and HB 2737 (http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/measures/hb2737/)) declare in no uncertain terms that transgender students are going to harm other students just by using the same facility alongside them. “Allowing students to use restrooms, locker rooms and showers that are reserved for students of a different sex will create potential embarrassment, shame, and psychological injury to students,” they read.

Like bills proposed in other states, these measures attempt to define “sex” in a narrow way — in this case, “the physical condition of being male or female, which is determined by a person’s chromosomes, and is identified at birth by a person’s anatomy.” The definition ignores the many genetic and anatomic variations that can actually occur in how sex actually presents itself and, by design, erases the significance of transgender identities entirely. The explicit goal is to “maintain order and dignity in restrooms, locker rooms, showers and other facilities where students may be in various states of undress in the presence of other students.”

If transgender students request accommodations, they can only be provided “access to single-stall bathrooms; access to unisex bathrooms; or controlled use of faculty bathrooms, locker rooms or shower rooms.” As experts pointed out (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/02/19/3750916/south-dakota-daugaard-transgender-veto/) when a similar provision was included in South Dakota’s bill, this would out, segregate, and ostracize transgender students who might already be vulnerable to bullying.

But transgender students are apparently such a threat to their peers that these lawmakers believe anyone who has to be in a restroom for them should have grounds for a suit. If a student encounters someone “of the opposite sex,” they have a private cause of action against the school. The aggrieved student is entitled to $2,500 for every time they saw someone transgender in the restroom, plus “monetary damages for all psychological, emotional and physical harm suffered as a result of a violation of this section.”

This particular provision would open a significant liability to many of the state’s universities. Schools like the University of Kansas (http://policy.ku.edu/IOA/nondiscrimination), Kansas State of University (http://www.k-state.edu/nondiscrimination/), Washburn University, and several community colleges have policies on the books protecting against discrimination based on gender identity. Any transgender students currently depending on those protections would immediately open the school to lawsuits from their classmates.

Because the bills were introduced so late in the legislative session, they don’t even have specific sponsors; they had to be introduced by committees. Both the House and Senate, and thus both committees, are controlled by Republicans. April 1 is the deadline for the bills to receive any consideration before the session is over.

One of the only lawmakers to speak out in favor of the bills is Sen. Mary Pilcher-Cook (R), who insists (http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Kansas-bill-proposes-restrictions-on-bathrooms-for-students-who-identify-as-transgender-372885111.html), “Parents have reached out afraid for their children’s safety and they do not want attention for fear of being called a bigot, this legislation ensures accommodations, while still protecting everyone’s privacy rights.”

According to Rep. Stephanie Clayton (R), the bills are a distraction from the larger budget priorities still facing the legislature this session. “No matter how you feel on the issue,” she said (http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article66770012.html), “this demonstrates a distinct lack of focus.”

That doesn’t mean they couldn’t pass, however. Kansas lawmakers already passed an anti-LGBT bill that targets college student groups (http://cjonline.com/news/2016-03-15/kansas-house-endorses-bill-shield-faith-based-campus-organizations). Under that legislation, even if the university has an LGBT-inclusive nondiscrimination policy on the books, it must still recognize and support student groups that wish to discriminate against LGBT students. That would mean that LGBT students would pay student fees that would then go to organizations that they would not have equal access to joining. That legislation passed 30-8 in the Senate last year and then 80-39 by the House this year before being sent to Gov. Sam Brownbeck (R) for his signature last Friday.

This now puts Kansas in the position of becoming the first state to pass such a sweeping anti-transgender bill. South Dakota’s similar bill was vetoed (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/01/3755461/daugaard-transgender-veto/), and Tennessee’s bill (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/09/3758093/tennessee-transgender/) actually died in committee (http://www.metroweekly.com/2016/03/tennessee-anti-trans-bill-will-not-move-forward/) on Tuesday.

[Blake]

Kansas making sure that Kaitlyn uses the men's room.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Kansas making sure that Kaitlyn uses the men's room.
Does "Kaitlyn" have a penis yes or no?

[Blake]

Does "Kaitlyn" have a penis yes or no?

I don't keep up with them, but I think so. I don't really care though.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Kansas making sure that Kaitlyn uses the men's room.

Would you be cool with Avante in a wig sharing a locker room shower with your daughter while talking sub 10 second sprinters and black RB's?

[Blake]

Would you be cool with Avante in a wig sharing a locker room shower with your daughter while talking sub 10 second sprinters and black RB's?

I'll take it from this question that you'd prefer he share a lockerroom shower with your son.

And Caitlin too

[tlongII]

Does "Kaitlyn" have a penis yes or no?

I think Kaitlyn had it surgically removed. I could be wrong though.

[spurraider21]

Blake "i dont care about caitlyn" keeps bringing up caitlyn and has the most posts in this thread

[DisAsTerBot]

team red terrified again

[CosmicCowboy]

team red terrified again

Not terrified at all.

Just common sense.

Let the hanging dicks use the hanging dick restroom.

[boutons_deux]

team red being jerked around yet again, 100% reliably as always, by Repugs/Fox LIES, implying that men transitioned to women are all actually red-blooded, testosterone-driven sexual predators just looking to rape.

But ask rigthwingnuts and Repugs to pay enough taxes to process 100Ks of rape kits of actual rape victims, hell no, we won't pay.

[Blake]

Blake "i dont care about caitlyn" keeps bringing up caitlyn and has the most posts in this thread

Spurraider "Blake had the most posts in this thread" actually started this thread and is here again in it

[Blake]

Not terrified at all.

Just common sense.

Let the hanging dicks use the hanging dick restroom.

So if you're not terrified, what's the harm in letting them use the bathroom they identify with

[CosmicCowboy]

So if you're not terrified, what's the harm in letting them use the bathroom they identify with

Define "identify with" and tell me exactly how you screen outright perverts that claim they "identify" as female.

Whats the harm in having men with dicks use the men's restroom?

[CosmicCowboy]

Blake definitely has his pantyhose in a wad over this issue.

[spurraider21]

Spurraider "Blake had the most posts in this thread" actually started this thread and is here again in it
well, duh. i never made the "i dont really care about this stuff" claim. i started the thread because i found the topic to be relevant

[CosmicCowboy]

Clearly it's not just relevant to Blake, but personal...

[Spurminator]

Define "identify with" and tell me exactly how you screen outright perverts that claim they "identify" as female.

How do we screen them now? Is it currently a problem that requires a law to prevent that risk?

[Blake]

well, duh. i never made the "i dont really care about this stuff" claim. i started the thread because i found the topic to be relevant

I never said I don't really care about this stuff. If you read my posts instead of just counting the number of them, you might have caught that.

I find the topic interesting.

I find the fear of guys wearing a wig and going into girls bathrooms when they're "at their most vulnerable" fascinating and at times stupidly hilarious.

[Blake]

Clearly it's not just relevant to Blake, but personal...

You're the one worried about where dicks belong.

[spurraider21]

I never said I don't really care about this stuff. If you read my posts instead of just counting the number of them, you might have caught that.

I find the topic interesting.

I find the fear of guys wearing a wig and going into girls bathrooms when they're "at their most vulnerable" fascinating and at times stupidly hilarious.
i never said you don't care about the topic. i was specifically referring to caityln, who you have referred to numerous times in this thread, despite "not caring"

I don't keep up with them, but I think so. I don't really care though.


Blake "i dont care about caitlyn" keeps bringing up caitlyn and has the most posts in this thread

[Blake]

i never said you don't care about the topic. i was specifically referring to caityln, who you have referred to numerous times in this thread, despite "not caring"

I don't care about Jenner's cock or lack of it at all.

Just using "Caitlin" as a point of reference because of all the posters here that care greatly that she be called a man.

I could use Rupaul or some other trans if it'll help you keep up.

[spurraider21]

its fine, just stop acting like you dont care if you are going to keep mentioning them

[spurraider21]

double

[Blake]

its fine, just stop acting like you dont care if you are going to keep mentioning them

I don't care if Caitlin has a penis or not. That was the specific question posed to me.

Rif.

[CosmicCowboy]

How do we screen them now? Is it currently a problem that requires a law to prevent that risk?

It depends on where "now" is.

Traditionally Dicks legally used the men's restroom and Vags used the Women's.

Really simple to police. Guys could be arrested for peeping women's restrooms.

Personally I don't want guy pervs peeping my daughter or grand daughters.

Again. Someone define "identify".

[boutons_deux]

Lawmaker Delivers Mind-Bending Series Of Arguments Against LGBT Protections

A few days after voting to kill a proposal to ban employee discrimination (http://www.ketv.com/news/nebraska-senators-reject-ban-on-lgbt-employee-discrimination/38657320) against LGBT individuals in Nebraska, Republican state Sen. Bill Kintner took to talk radio to explain why “men in dresses” don’t deserve protection.

What followed was a heated discussion of LGBT rights, marked by level of candor rarely seen in national politics. Kintner argued that there are no problems with discrimination in Nebraska; that the Constitution allows people to violate gay individuals’ civil rights; and that businesses should be able to “make it known” if they don’t want to serve LGBT people by providing them with bad service.

Kintner also challenged Nebraskans to elect him out of office if they don’t like his positions on LGBT equality.

“When there’s a majority of people in our state that thinks [LBGT rights are an] important issue, and thinks that they want representation to do that, it’ll happen,” Kintner said. “There were 40,000 people who elected me to represent them … they sent me down here to do this job.”

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Kintner’s comments came amid a heated national conversation about LGBT rights — particularly, whether states should enact laws to prevent discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. Last week, North Carolina passed what many consider to be the most anti-LGBT law in the country (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/24/3763023/north-carolina-anti-lgbt/), preventing its cities and counties from offering discrimination protections. On Monday, Georgia’s governor vetoed a similar bill (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/28/3763902/georgia-veto-anti-lgbt/) that would have allowed businesses like adoption agencies to refuse to serve same-sex couples.

These bills are mostly justified by claims of “religious liberty” — meaning, business owners should be able to refuse to serve same-sex couples if they feel that homosexuality violates their religious beliefs.

Kintner’s comments, however, offered a window into some of the other reasons lawmakers may be pushing these initiatives. For instance, Kinter suggested that LGBT individuals don’t deserve a protected class.

“If you have another protected class, you will have problems,” he said, and laid out a hypothetical situation in which a poorly-performing male employee pretends to be a woman to prevent being fired.

“So if you get an employee who is habitually late — he’s just not a very good employee — and you sit him down and say ‘Joe, you’re late too often, you don’t get your work done on time, you’re not doing the job right, you’ve gotta straighten up or we’re going to replace you. And he says, ‘You know, I feel like a woman today. Now we’ve got a whole problem if you’re trying to get rid of him,” Kintner said.

NewsTalk 1290 host Matt Tompkins then challenged Kintner, saying that transgender people don’t consciously choose their gender identity (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/01/30/3617395/transgender-children-study/). Kintner responded by, among other things, misgendering and dead-naming (http://fusion.net/story/144324/what-deadnaming-means-and-why-you-shouldnt-do-it-to-caitlyn-jenner/) transgender icon Caitlyn Jenner:

TOMPKINS: The reason the LGBT community believes this is a civil right is because — like being black or being a woman or being old — you don’t choose to be transgender, you don’t choose to be gay. You’re saying they’re making a choice, and using that choice to file a frivolous lawsuit?

KINTNER: Yes. Let’s think about Bruce Jenner. Because he wears a dress, does that make him a woman? Of course it doesn’t. Of course it doesn’t.


Another notable exchange came when Kintner argued that the First Amendment of the Constitution allows people and businesses to violate the civil rights of LGBT people. Kintner also said that businesses should be allowed to slyly indicate that they don’t want to serve LGBT people by providing them with bad service.

TOMPKINS: The First Amendment doesn’t grant you the right to discriminate against other people and violate their civil rights that the Constitution also protects.

KINTNER: Oh yes it does. Oh yes it does.

TOMPKINS: There are people affected that are being discriminated against. It may not be signs on the restaurant or signs at city hall, but it is happening, so I don’t understand why it’s…

KINTNER: Well, if you have a restaurant, and they’re not overtly discriminating but, you know, they’re kind of making it known that you know, we don’t like men sitting around in dresses, you now, that stuff takes care of itself. Word will get out that this place doesn’t serve everyone. It doesn’t give everyone equal treatment. If you’re a man wearing a dress it takes you an hour to get waited on, and for everyone else it takes 20 minutes … that’s called bad service.

TOMPKINS: But that argument was the same argument people used in the civil rights era. You’re saying it’s okay that if a black person, if it takes an hour for them to get service, that’s just bad service so a black person just shouldn’t go to that restaurant?

KINTNER: That’s called bad service.


This is not the first time Kintner has made controversial comments about LGBT individuals. He made waves in 2013 for opposing what he called “homosexual bills (http://watchdog.org/122938/apologies-lawmaker-opposes-homosexual-bills-early-education/)” that would allow same-sex couples to adopt or be foster parents.

In his recent radio interview, Kintner said he believed those views were keeping him in office. That, he said, is why he would not support discrimination protections for LGBT individuals.

“If I would have come out and said I supported this, I would not be sitting here as a senator,” he said. “There is no doubt in my mind.”

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/03/28/3763918/bill-kintner-lgbt-comments/

Repugs depend on hate, paranoia, polarization

[Spurminator]

It depends on where "now" is.

Traditionally Dicks legally used the men's restroom and Vags used the Women's.

Really simple to police. Guys could be arrested for peeping women's restrooms.

Personally I don't want guy pervs peeping my daughter or grand daughters.

Again. Someone define "identify".

I still don't understand what is driving this fear that a bunch of guys, in an internet age, will dress up as women or pretend to be transwomen in order to access a women's restroom to watch women walk into toilet stalls or wash their hands. How many times have you ever seen the genitals of someone you're sharing a restroom with?

In this weird universe you guys think you live in where men are so desperate to hear women piss and shit in a closed stall, how does this law prevent those pervs from just claiming to be transgender men who were born women and still have a vagina? How are you going to police every man who looks like a woman, or vice versa, to make sure they're going into the correctly assigned restroom?

Rest assured... Most likely guys won't be peeping your grand daughters until they start posting their selfies on the internet or texting topless pics to their boyfriends. They're no more likely today to go buy a dress, makeup, and whatever else to go into a women's bathroom than they were 10 years ago, so this call for new laws about restroom access is just old-fashioned fear-mongering.

[DisAsTerBot]

lol not terrified

[CosmicCowboy]

I still don't understand what is driving this fear that a bunch of guys, in an internet age, will dress up as women or pretend to be transwomen in order to access a women's restroom to watch women walk into toilet stalls or wash their hands. How many times have you ever seen the genitals of someone you're sharing a restroom with?

In this weird universe you guys think you live in where men are so desperate to hear women piss and shit in a closed stall, how does this law prevent those pervs from just claiming to be transgender men who were born women and still have a vagina? How are you going to police every man who looks like a woman, or vice versa, to make sure they're going into the correctly assigned restroom?

Rest assured... Most likely guys won't be peeping your grand daughters until they start posting their selfies on the internet or texting topless pics to their boyfriends. They're no more likely today to go buy a dress, makeup, and whatever else to go into a women's bathroom than they were 10 years ago, so this call for new laws about restroom access is just old-fashioned fear-mongering.

Seriously?

Just in the name of politically correctness you deny these pervs are out there?

http://www.xvideos.com/tags/upskirt

[Blake]

lol not terrified

:lol

[Blake]

Seriously?

Just in the name of politically correctness you deny these pervs are out there?

http://www.xvideos.com/tags/upskirt

Golly if there's a woman symbol on the bathroom door, how'd those dudes get the pictures? Baffling.

[CosmicCowboy]

Golly if there's a woman symbol on the bathroom door, how'd those dudes get the pictures? Baffling.

It certainly is baffling when faggots like you condone it.

[Spurminator]

Seriously?

Just in the name of politically correctness you deny these pervs are out there?

http://www.xvideos.com/tags/upskirt

The Political Correctness card is lazy. No one said there aren't pervs out there. They're just much more likely to do the search you just did than to go into a bathroom themselves and try to see it, especially if doing so requires them to dress up like a woman. And if they ARE that desperate, do you really think laws like this will stop them?

You still haven't been able to quantify how many times this actually occurs today without any laws against it.

[CosmicCowboy]

The Political Correctness card is lazy. No one said there aren't pervs out there. They're just much more likely to do the search you just did than to go into a bathroom themselves and try to see it, especially if doing so requires them to dress up like a woman. And if they ARE that desperate, do you really think laws like this will stop them?

uhh...the laws are already in place. The PC Police want to overturn them and allow it.

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW, "identifying as" doesn't even mean you have to dress transgender. It's just an unprovable claim of "state of mind".

[Spurminator]

uhh...the laws are already in place. The PC Police want to overturn them and allow it.


With only two weeks left in the Kansas legislation session, state lawmakers have introduced a pair of bills (http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article66852127.html) that would prohibit transgender students from using restrooms that match their gender. The “Student Physical Privacy Act” would apply not only to public schools, but all public universities in the state as well, guaranteeing that anyone who saw someone transgender in the bathroom could sue their school for $2,500 for every time that it happened.

The Fear police are introducing bills to legislate where transgendered people use the restroom. That's where the controversy started.

[Blake]

It certainly is baffling when faggots like you condone it.

I don't condone upskirt pics, dumb fuck. It's your terrifying slippery slope, not mine.

[Blake]

uhh...the laws are already in place. The PC Police want to overturn them and allow it.

Allow what?

[Blake]

Going to federal court it looks like


WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (Reuters) - Transgender people barred under a new North Carolina law from choosing bathrooms consistent with their gender identity filed a federal lawsuit on Monday, arguing the measure is discriminatory and threatens their personal safety.

North Carolina last week became the first state to enact a measure requiring people to use bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and other public facilities that match the gender on their birth certificate, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

The state's Republican-dominated legislature passed the law during a one-day special session called to repeal a Charlotte city ordinance that would have allowed bathroom choice based on gender identity versus sex at birth.

State lawmakers also voted to prohibit local governments from enacting anti-discrimination protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity. The actions drew swift criticism from lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocacy groups and companies including American Airlines, Apple and Google.

"By singling out LGBT people for disfavored treatment and explicitly writing discrimination against transgender people into state law, (the state) violates the most basic guarantees of equal treatment and the U.S. Constitution," said the lawsuit, which was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and Lambda Legal.

Republican lawmakers have defended the law as a common-sense response to radical overreach by the city council in Charlotte, the state's largest city. They spoke of the dangers that could result from men sharing bathrooms with women and young girls.

But transgender plaintiffs said they are now the ones at risk.

"It is so more than a restroom," said Joaquin Carcano, a 27-year-old university employee. "It is about dignity. It’s about respect."

Republican Governor Pat McCrory, who is seeking re-election in November, signed the measure into law on the same day it was introduced and passed by both chambers of the legislature. The governor's office did not respond to a request for comment on Monday.

Opponents of the law criticized legislators for allowing little public debate before passing the sweeping measure, which they said has hurt the state's national reputation.

They noted the weeks of debate and review given to a Georgia measure that sought to strengthen legal protections for gay marriage opponents before Republican Governor Nathan Deal signaled on Monday he would veto it.

"By contrast, what happened here in North Carolina was a farce," said Chris Brook, legal director for the ACLU of North Carolina.

(Reporting by Colleen Jenkins; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and Steve Orlofsky)



http://news.yahoo.com/north-carolinas-transgender-bathroom-law-challenged-court-140743128.html

[Trill Clinton]

The "anti pc" crowd are a bunch of pussies.

[Spurminator]

BTW, "identifying as" doesn't even mean you have to dress transgender. It's just an unprovable claim of "state of mind".

It's still a negligible risk, and certain things like filming women on the toilet or peering through a stall are still illegal regardless of how they get into the bathroom. It's an unenforceable law that won't do anything to prevent the these extremely few pervs from breaking the law, but it WILL cause law-abiding transgendered people to have to choose between extreme discomfort when using the restroom, or breaking the law and still using the restroom that matches their identity. In most cases, they'll probably just break the law, and frankly, 99.999% of the time, they're going to get away with it anyway. So you have toothless laws that can't (and won't) be enforced, but at least we all feel better that our granddaughters can finally pee with peace of mind.

[SpursforSix]

It's still a negligible risk, and certain things like filming women on the toilet or peering through a stall are still illegal regardless of how they get into the bathroom. It's an unenforceable law that won't do anything to prevent the these extremely few pervs from breaking the law, but it WILL cause law-abiding transgendered people to have to choose between extreme discomfort when using the restroom, or breaking the law and still using the restroom that matches their identity. In most cases, they'll probably just break the law, and frankly, 99.999% of the time, they're going to get away with it anyway. So you have toothless laws that can't (and won't) be enforced, but at least we all feel better that our granddaughters can finally pee with peace of mind.

So you don't think a woman having to share the bathroom with a dick waggling shemale is going to cause her (the woman) extreme discomfort? And as to the tranny? It should be feeling extreme discomfort. Because YOU'RE A FUCKING MAN WEARING WOMAN'S CLOTHES.

[Spurminator]

Common arguments against gun legislation:

- Most gun owners are law abiding, and these laws infringe on their rights and force them to choose between their rights and an unjust law
- Only law abiding citizens will obey gun laws. Criminals are, by definition, not law abiding.
- Media sensationalism is driving this debate

The only difference between these arguments and similar arguments in favor of transgender people choosing restrooms is that the gun debate typically comes up after dozens of people are killed.

[Blake]

So you don't think a woman having to share the bathroom is going to cause extreme discomfort?

Funny from what I've seen, it seems like 9/10 it's a man making this argument.

[Spurminator]

So you don't think a woman having to share the bathroom is going to cause extreme discomfort? And as to the tranny? It should be feeling extreme discomfort. Because YOU'RE A FUCKING MAN WEARING WOMAN'S CLOTHES.

Or you were born a woman and you look like a man.

Through years of perfectly legal gender reassignment and hormonal treatments, you look like this.
http://www.transawakening.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trans-Man-Transitions-559x372.jpg

And now there's a law saying you have to use a women's restroom. I'm sure those women are going to feel great about sharing a restroom with you.

[SpursforSix]

Funny from what I've seen, it seems like 9/10 it's a man making this argument.

you're on Spurstalk...what do you expect?

to my knowledge, the most public incident was the woman at Planet Fatness

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/03/10/planet-fitness-faces-backlash-women-dropping-membership-in-droves-due-to-ridiculous-gender-identity-policy/

[SpursforSix]

Or you were born a woman and you look like a man.

Through years of perfectly legal gender reassignment and hormonal treatments, you look like this.
http://www.transawakening.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trans-Man-Transitions-559x372.jpg

And now there's a law saying you have to use a women's restroom. I'm sure those women are going to feel great about sharing a restroom with you.

she's ugly

[CosmicCowboy]

Blake, was she as hot as she looks in the picture?

http://insider.foxnews.com/sites/insider.foxnews.com/files/styles/780/public/031015_transgender.jpg?itok=OiiuRBo3

[spurraider21]

Funny from what I've seen, it seems like 9/10 it's a man making this argument.
Lol anecdotal evidence based on the population of a sports forum

[Blake]

you're on Spurstalk...what do you expect?

to my knowledge, the most public incident was the woman at Planet Fatness

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/03/10/planet-fitness-faces-backlash-women-dropping-membership-in-droves-due-to-ridiculous-gender-identity-policy/

Rofl "theconservativetreehouse.com"

Not just on ST. Plenty of public male figures are terrified of dudes dressing as chicks to get into the girls locker room.

Can't think of any women terrified of impending discomfort because of this, tbh. Do you know any?

[Blake]

Lol anecdotal evidence based on the population of a sports forum

Lol no, it's also anecdotal based on preacher and politician quotes

Keep trying tho, you might get me on something sooner or later

[SpursforSix]

Rofl "theconservativetreehouse.com"

Not just on ST. Plenty of public male figures are terrified of dudes dressing as chicks to get into the girls locker room.

Can't think of any women terrified of impending discomfort because of this, tbh. Do you know any?

I just picked the first link from my Google search. Here is the same story on CNN. You didn't hear about this?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/

tbh, I don't ask women or anyone in real life what they think of men dressed as women using the women's room.

[Blake]

Blake, was she as hot as she looks in the picture?

http://insider.foxnews.com/sites/insider.foxnews.com/files/styles/780/public/031015_transgender.jpg?itok=OiiuRBo3

Honestly, I think more privacy in gym lockers/showers is needed overall.

If not, then what exactly is the complaint

[Blake]

I just picked the first link from my Google search. Here is the same story on CNN. You didn't hear about this?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/

tbh, I don't ask women or anyone in real life what they think of men dressed as women using the women's room.

Right, I remember your concern on this one before in the club. There's the 1/10, I guess.

[Blake]

713139833070362625

[Chinook]

People spend entirely too much time focused on how people "feel." That needs to stop being the basis for laws. The Civil Rights Movement wasn't about black people fighting for the right to not "feel" disfranchised and segregated. Marriage equality wasn't about gay people "feeling" married. There were legitimate social and economic reasons why those people were fighting for their rights.

What is the justification about having segregated bathrooms? Comfort? Decency? It seems like its from a bygone era where men didn't want to believe that women pissed and shat just like men did, back when women called it the "powder room". There's really not a place for it now. I shared bathrooms with females hall- or roommates in all but one year in college. It's not a big deal.

[Blake]

H3dKWx0IVZ0


"North Carolina has been the target of a vicious, nationwide smear campaign," the governor said in a video, released on*YouTube. "Disregarding the facts, other politicians — from the White House to mayors and city council members and, yes, even our attorney general — have initiated and promoted conflict to advance their political agenda, even if it means defying the Constitution and their oath of office."*

"Obeying the laws of the land and living up to the duties of the office and defending the Constitution is the foundation of our state government," the North Carolina governor continued.*

The governor said he signed the bill because the expectation of privacy of North Carolina citizens was at risk and could have been violated."

http://news.yahoo.com/north-carolina-gov-pat-mccrory-232600545.html


Oh..this backlash is all nothing more than a smear campaign in order to adance "their" political agendas. That explains it.

[boutons_deux]

NC, just another typical, Repug/red/slave state passing the nastiest, minority-screwing, Christian Taliban laws.

McCrory's defense of his laws are amazingly ridiculous, are fucking LIES, pretty much par for someone who spent 28 years a major polluter corp Duke Energy.

[boutons_deux]

NC’s McCrory dismisses criticism of new discrimination law

McCrory responded (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/north-carolina-gov-pat-mccrory-calls-lgbt-criticism-political-theater) to the criticism yesterday by blaming the media and progressive activists for creating “political theater” and a “calculated smear campaign.”

In an interview with NBC News, McCrory, a Republican who is running for re-election, said he would not back down from the measure…. He cast himself as a voice of reason, standing against an assault on “the norms and etiquette” that have existed for generations. And he said the law doesn’t discriminate against anyone.

“This political correctness has gone amok,” he said. :lol



There are some questions, however, about whether or not the governor fully understands the new law he just created after a rushed legislative push. The News & Observer reported (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article68657772.html) yesterday, for example, that the new policy appears to revoke a fair housing ordinance in Greensboro and a policy governing municipal contracts in Raleigh.

Asked for a response, McCrory, who signed H.B. 2 into law last week, said, “I’ve been traveling all day, so you’re telling me something I’m not aware of.”

The governor’s spokesperson later argued that the law doesn’t affect local housing ordinances, but he said he’s “still not sure (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article68657772.html)” about the impact on other types of ordinances.

It’s not unreasonable to think McCrory and his GOP allies should have worked out these details beforechanging the state’s discrimination laws.

The city and state (http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/247490/cuomo-bans-non-essential-state-travel-to-north-carolina/) of New York, for example, announced yesterday that all non-essential state travel to North Carolina has been scrapped because of the new measure that “creates the grounds for discrimination against LGBT people.”

What’s more, as we discussed yesterday, film director Rob Reiner has said he won’t produce (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rob-reiner-calls-filming-boycott-north-carolina-over-anti-lgbt-law) projects in the state until the measure is repealed, and he urged others in the entertainment industry to follow his lead.

ESPN, which was eyeing North Carolina as a possible host of the summer X Games, may now look elsewhere, and the same is true for the NBA, which planned to hold the 2017 All-Star Game in Charlotte, but which may now seek a new venue.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ncs-mccrory-dismisses-criticism-new-discrimination-law?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Repugs who spend their entire lives inside the BigCorp and/or Repug bubble end up fucking ignorant, stupid.

[Spurminator]

I shared bathrooms with females hall- or roommates in all but one year in college. It's not a big deal.

I bet you saw SO MUCH cooch in those bathrooms, what with everyone walking around naked and eyeing each other's genitals all the time.

[spurraider21]

I bet you saw SO MUCH cooch in those bathrooms, what with everyone walking around naked and eyeing each other's genitals all the time.
i mean, if you want to abolish separate bathrooms, then that's a different discussion. but if we intend on keeping separate bathrooms, i just want to be consistent with the reasoning of why we have them in the first place

[Chinook]

I bet you saw SO MUCH cooch in those bathrooms, what with everyone walking around naked and eyeing each other's genitals all the time.

Well, obviously, there was the rampant rape going on. But obviously that doesn't count since what happens in bathrooms stays there.

[Chinook]

i mean, if you want to abolish separate bathrooms, then that's a different discussion. but if we intend on keeping separate bathrooms, i just want to be consistent with the reasoning of why we have them in the first place

And I don't think that's unreasonable at all. The "not focusing on feelings" argument cuts both ways. We can't judge simply on gender identity. I couldn't care less if a trans person was upset about using a bathroom they didn't identify with. That isn't even a factor in my mind. The fact that some trans people are REALLY trans is a bigger issue, however.

[Spurminator]

i mean, if you want to abolish separate bathrooms, then that's a different discussion. but if we intend on keeping separate bathrooms, i just want to be consistent with the reasoning of why we have them in the first place

I don't think it's necessary to immediately abolish separate restrooms, but I do expect them to phase out over the next 20 years. At this point, unless you've lived your entire life in a rural town of about 300 people, everyone has shared a bathroom at some point with a transgender or homosexual, and so have their children.

[spurraider21]

i just dont get the initial outrage over all this. why would a dude with a vag care so much to sit in a closed stall of one room instead of a closed stall of another room, and why would a woman with a penis opt to use the room that doesnt have urinals. especially since its :cry not a big deal :cry like you all keep reminding us

the issue is being made out to be a lot bigger than it needs to be. in the meantime, i'm just trying to keep into consideration the purpose of why we have separate bathrooms right now and staying consistent with that.

[Spurminator]

?i just dont get the initial outrage over all this. why would a dude with a vag care so much to sit in a closed stall of one room instead of a closed stall of another room, and why would a woman with a penis opt to use the room that doesnt have urinals

tbh the initial "outrage" started with the state laws banning local governments from allowing it.

It's not about the functionality of the toilet. If you are someone who looks and dresses like a woman, would you be more comfortable walking into a Men's restroom or a Women's restroom? It's about dignity. It's not like these people just woke up one day and decided to dress like the opposite sex. There's a reason they spend so much money on treatments for gender transition, and just because we can't relate to it doesn't mean they deserve to be ostracized.

[spurraider21]

tbh the initial "outrage" started with the state laws banning local governments from allowing it.

It's not about the functionality of the toilet. If you are someone who looks and dresses like a woman, would you be more comfortable walking into a Men's restroom or a Women's restroom? It's about dignity. It's not like these people just woke up one day and decided to dress like the opposite sex. There's a reason they spend so much money on treatments for gender transition, and just because we can't relate to it doesn't mean they deserve to be ostracized.
i just find it to be hypocritical to constantly argue about how small a deal this is and how nobody sees anything only to make it out to be some emotionally traumatic/ostracizing experience

[Spurminator]

i just find it to be hypocritical to constantly argue about how small a deal this is and then make it out to be some emotionally traumatic/ostracizing experience

I think it's a small deal for non-transgendered men and women to occasionally see someone of the opposite sex in the bathroom with them. I would never tell a transgender person it's not a big deal for them, because they're the ones that would have to deal with it every time they use a bathroom.

[spurraider21]

I think it's a small deal for non-transgendered men and women to occasionally see someone of the opposite sex in the bathroom with them. I would never tell a transgender person it's not a big deal for them, because they're the ones that would have to deal with it every time they use a bathroom.
if you are on board with the eventual abolition of separate bathrooms then everybody is going to deal with it every time they use a bathroom

[Spurminator]

if you are on board with the eventual abolition of separate bathrooms then everybody is going to deal with it every time they use a bathroom

I think we're talking about different kinds of discomfort here, but regardless, I'm sure people will get used to it. We always do.

[spurraider21]

I think we're talking about different kinds of discomfort here, but regardless, I'm sure people will get used to it. We always do.
not at all. you spoke specifically about seeing people of the opposite sex/gender in the bathroom. thats the exact same discomfort i referred to

I think it's a small deal for non-transgendered men and women to occasionally see someone of the opposite sex in the bathroom with them. I would never tell a transgender person it's not a big deal for them, because they're the ones that would have to deal with it every time they use a bathroom.

[Spurminator]

not at all. you spoke specifically about seeing people of the opposite sex/gender in the bathroom. thats the exact same discomfort i referred to

The discomfort for the transgender person is from being ostracized. Or in some cases, physically attacked for appearing to be in the wrong bathroom.

In a world without an assigned restroom, I'm not sure why anyone would feel ostracized. Whatever discomfort they feel stems from just the strangeness of sharing a restroom with the opposite sex, which I believe they'll get over just like they have with co-ed schools, dorms and workplaces.

[Blake]

i just dont get the initial outrage over all this. why would a dude with a vag care so much to sit in a closed stall of one room instead of a closed stall of another room, and why would a woman with a penis opt to use the room that doesnt have urinals. especially since its :cry not a big deal :cry like you all keep reminding us

the issue is being made out to be a lot bigger than it needs to be. in the meantime, i'm just trying to keep into consideration the purpose of why we have separate bathrooms right now and staying consistent with that.

The reason the governor is quoted for this law is for a reasonable right to privacy.

Seems contradictory to me

[rmt]

Don't know what all the argument is about, but as a female, I'm not going into any bathroom where there's any male-looking person. Same in regards to an isolated elevator or walking down some street at night. I'm gonna turn around and find some other bathroom/elevator or cross the street.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gbtm-93oqE

[Chinook]

I think it's a small deal for non-transgendered men and women to occasionally see someone of the opposite sex in the bathroom with them. I would never tell a transgender person it's not a big deal for them, because they're the ones that would have to deal with it every time they use a bathroom.

So let's say they made a third intersex or gender-neutral bathroom. Do you think that solves the issue? I feel like it would for some people, but not for everyone.

[boutons_deux]

"gender-neutral bathroom"

I was in Austin for SxSW. Seems like every Startbucks had two restrooms, both gender-neutral. Just another way San Antonio is second-rate to Austin.

[Chinook]

You made it through a whole post without the word "Repug". Congrats. Couldn't care less about SA to Austin comparisons, though.

[boutons_deux]

You made it through a whole post without the word "Repug". Congrats. Couldn't care less about SA to Austin comparisons, though.

well, of course. Repug city govt would NEVER allow gender-neutral bathrooms, assholes that all y'all are.

[Spurminator]

So let's say they made a third intersex or gender-neutral bathroom. Do you think that solves the issue? I feel like it would for some people, but not for everyone.

I'm not being a smart ass here, I really think it would be viewed the same as water fountains for black people.

[Chinook]

well, of course. Repug city govt would NEVER allow gender-neutral bathrooms, assholes that all y'all are.

I'm an Austinite, jack-ass. I could care less that you're trying to suck us off. Just please don't move here.

[Chinook]

I'm not being a smart ass here, I really think it would be viewed the same as water fountains for black people.

I don't disagree. And I'd think those guys assholes for making that comparison, as I've already said on this forum.

[boutons_deux]

I could care less that you're trying to suck us off

hilarious image, projection. Go Suck Yourself

[Blake]

Don't know what all the argument is about, but as a female, I'm not going into any bathroom where there's any male-looking person. Same in regards to an isolated elevator or walking down some street at night. I'm gonna turn around and find some other bathroom/elevator or cross the street.

What if it's a female looking person that still has a penis

[Blake]

I don't disagree. And I'd think those guys assholes for making that comparison, as I've already said on this forum.

Well then you do disagree