Why are atheist?

[Blake]

Atheists who claim to be correct don't even know if they are or not. Sounds like a faith statement. Sure you have "evidence", but evidence does not always mean accurate.

I think I understand that mess of a post.

It's like saying you have faith that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Sure you have evidence, but evidence doesn't mean accuracy.

Amirite

[ChumpDumper]

Atheists who claim to be correct don't even know if they are or not. Sounds like a faith statement. Sure you have "evidence", but evidence does not always mean accurate.What is the evidence you are correct?

[xellos88330]

I think I understand that mess of a post.

It's like saying you have faith that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Sure you have evidence, but evidence doesn't mean accuracy.

Amirite

St. Nicholas was a real person. Santa Claus is a representation of St. Nicholas and is meant as symbol of his deeds. It is hilarious how you are so blind to use fucking Santa Claus. Lololololol!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Atheists who claim to be correct don't even know if they are or not. Sounds like a faith statement. Sure you have "evidence", but evidence does not always mean accurate.

Ministers who claim to be correct don't even know if they are or not. Sounds like a faith statement. Sure you have "evidence," but evidence does not always mean accurate.

Frankly when I compare Abrahamic proselytization to what this thread whines about, it makes me laugh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

St. Nicholas was a real person. Santa Claus is a representation of St. Nicholas and is meant as symbol of his deeds. It is hilarious how you are so blind to use fucking Santa Claus. Lololololol!

Are you really going to act obtuse to how the Romans coopted Gothic traditions for the winter solstice to make up Christmas as the day Jesus was born?

Nebuchadnezzar was a real person who invaded Jerusalem and Jews were enslaved in Babylon. That does not mean the story of Shadrach Mishak and Abendego is true. You can try to baffle people biblical scholarly bullshit if you want but it's not going to work. I know more in depth that the Baptist grade school interpretation.

[xellos88330]

What is the evidence you are correct?

Science has been wrong before. Science also doesn't explain everything. Therefore, saying you don't believe in god(s) means that you have faith that science is indeed correct.

[xellos88330]

Ministers who claim to be correct don't even know if they are or not. Sounds like a faith statement. Sure you have "evidence," but evidence does not always mean accurate.

Frankly when I compare Abrahamic proselytization to what this thread whines about, it makes me laugh.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Both believers and non believers are basing everything on faith. If you are truly logical.... you would be agnostic.

God is not probable, or god is probable are the correct statements.

[xellos88330]

A believer recognizes their faith. Atheists tend to refuse to acknowledge their own. So those closer to rationality tend to be the believers who recognize their own faith.

[ChumpDumper]

Science has been wrong before. Science also doesn't explain everything. Therefore, saying you don't believe in god(s) means that you have faith that science is indeed correct.What is the evidence that your belief in God is correct?
People who believe in god have been wrong before.

Science is set up for previous assumptions to be proved wrong and the new discoveries incorporated into general knowledge -- how does religion deal with being proved wrong over and over again?

[ChumpDumper]

A believer recognizes their faith. Atheists tend to refuse to acknowledge their own. So those closer to rationality tend to be the believers who recognize their own faith.False equivalence. The "faith" is in the scientific process that tends to eliminate stupid stuff people should not believe in. Over time, it gets things more right than before. What is wrong with that?

[Blake]

St. Nicholas was a real person. Santa Claus is a representation of St. Nicholas and is meant as symbol of his deeds. It is hilarious how you are so blind to use fucking Santa Claus. Lololololol!

What's the difference between someone saying Santa Claus is magical vs Jesus being magical

[Blake]

So those closer to rationality tend to be the believers who recognize their own faith.

Was this a scientific study?

[xellos88330]

False equivalence. The "faith" is in the scientific process that tends to eliminate stupid stuff people should not believe in. Over time, it gets things more right than before. What is wrong with that?

The process has come up with the wrong solution before. So wouldn't it be stupid to believe that the method always produces a 100% correct answer?

God is probable, and God is not probable are the only acceptable answers. Neither you nor I can justify whether we are 100% accurate as both of us require faith.

There is nothing wrong with believing that god doesn't exist, just the same as there is nothing wrong with believing one does so long as you recognize your faith. If you do not recognize your faith, you are an idiot. Plain and simple.

There have been numerous explanations that there could very well be some truth within the Bible historically. Of course I understand that this statement is one based on faith. Do you understand yours?

[Blake]

God is probable, and God is not probable are the only acceptable answers. Neither you nor I can justify whether we are 100% accurate as both of us require faith.

Does it require faith to believe a round square does not exist?

[Blake]

The process has come up with the wrong solution before. So wouldn't it be stupid to believe that the method always produces a 100% correct answer?

God is probable, and God is not probable are the only acceptable answers. Neither you nor I can justify whether we are 100% accurate as both of us require faith.

There is nothing wrong with believing that god doesn't exist, just the same as there is nothing wrong with believing one does so long as you recognize your faith. If you do not recognize your faith, you are an idiot. Plain and simple.

There have been numerous explanations that there could very well be some truth within the Bible historically. Of course I understand that this statement is one based on faith. Do you understand yours?

What's wrong with saying "I don't know"? Why are you forcing someone to pick a side to avoid being "an idiot"

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is exactly what I am talking about. Both believers and non believers are basing everything on faith. If you are truly logical.... you would be agnostic.

God is not probable, or god is probable are the correct statements.

There is no reason to believe in your god. The probability of Bible God and of the major religions is zero.

[ChumpDumper]

The process has come up with the wrong solution before. So wouldn't it be stupid to believe that the method always produces a 100% correct answer?False claim. No one ever said the method produces a 100% correct answer. Infallibility is god talk.


God is probable, and God is not probable are the only acceptable answers. Neither you nor I can justify whether we are 100% accurate as both of us require faith.Nope. Science doesn't require anything really. The resulting facts simply are what they are. If more facts show up to disprove what came before, it's adopted into the knowledge base. What do religious people do when their faith is proved wrong?


There is nothing wrong with believing that god doesn't exist, just the same as there is nothing wrong with believing one does so long as you recognize your faith. If you do not recognize your faith, you are an idiot. Plain and simple.lol you're trying to say the absence of faith is faith. that's idiotic.


There have been numerous explanations that there could very well be some truth within the Bible historically. Of course I understand that this statement is one based on faith. Do you understand yours?Of course you won't say what "truths" you're talking about in the bible. It's what people of faith do.

[xellos88330]

Absence of faith? You use the process of science to say god has zero probability.

You also know that the method can produce incorrect answers. So how do you KNOW that it hasn't produced an incorrect answer? Leaving zero margin for error using a system that has proven capable of being incorrect means that you have faith in the system producing a correct result.

Absence of faith my ass.

[xellos88330]

I also don't need to show the truths in the bible because you must have researched it yourself in order to discredit it. You know where the truths are, just don't want to give them any relevance because you open the door to possibility.

[xellos88330]

Faith isn't used solely for believers btw.

Faith - complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

So your faith is placed in scientific method.

[ChumpDumper]

Absence of faith? You use the process of science to say god has zero probability.Why do you keep posting things I never said?

Is your faith so shaky that you have to lie about anyone who doesn't share it?


You also know that the method can produce incorrect answers. So how do you KNOW that it hasn't produced an incorrect answer? Leaving zero margin for error using a system that has proven capable of being incorrect means that you have faith in the system producing a correct result.

Absence of faith my ass.your faith in straw men is commendable.


I also don't need to show the truths in the bible because you must have researched it yourself in order to discredit it. You know where the truths are, just don't want to give them any relevance because you open the door to possibility.lol the real truth is you are afraid to even discuss it. It's fine; people of faith usually are. You simply want to state your belief and have it be accepted by everyone without question.

Tough shit. Your faith should be stronger than that, but the religious always seem to reach a point where they just shut down discussion.


Faith isn't used solely for believers btw.

Faith - complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

So your faith is placed in scientific method.My trust in the scientific method is in no way complete; because the method is carried out by fallible men.

I'm fine with it because religious faith ultimately wants to put the kibosh on serious inquiry at the point where it makes the religious and their leaders uncomfortable. And that's just stupid.

[Blake]

Absence of faith? You use the process of science to say god has zero probability.

You also know that the method can produce incorrect answers. So how do you KNOW that it hasn't produced an incorrect answer? Leaving zero margin for error using a system that has proven capable of being incorrect means that you have faith in the system producing a correct result.

Absence of faith my ass.

I'm using logic, not science, to deduce that bible god does not exist.

You're using all sorts of logical fallacies here fwiw

[xellos88330]

Why do you keep posting things I never said?

Is your faith so shaky that you have to lie about anyone who doesn't share it?

your faith in straw men is commendable.

lol the real truth is you are afraid to even discuss it. It's fine; people of faith usually are. You simply want to state your belief and have it be accepted by everyone without question.

Tough shit. Your faith should be stronger than that, but the religious always seem to reach a point where they just shut down discussion.

My trust in the scientific method is in no way complete; because the method is carried out by fallible men.

I'm fine with it because religious faith ultimately wants to put the kibosh on serious inquiry at the point where it makes the religious and their leaders uncomfortable. And that's just stupid.

I don't recall referencing you specifically. You weren't quoted.

So how do you deduce something doesn't exist using fallible methods?

Oh and Blake, I don't respond to you because chump and fuzzy are easily your betters as they can keep up.

[Blake]

I don't recall referencing you specifically. You weren't quoted.

So how do you deduce something doesn't exist using fallible methods?

Oh and Blake, I don't respond to you because chump and fuzzy are easily your betters as they can keep up.

Lol. I'll sit back and watch them abuse you then with a dose of lols every time they make you look stupid.

[xellos88330]

Lol. I'll sit back and watch them abuse you then with a dose of lols every time they make you look stupid.


So long as you know your place little one.

[Blake]

So long as you know your place little one.

You purposely believe in and argue for the existence of an invisible, illogical sky friend/sky daddy.

My 12 year old daughter is your better. At best, your equal.

[xellos88330]

You purposely believe in and argue for the existence of an invisible, illogical sky friend/sky daddy.

My 12 year old daughter is your better. At best, your equal.

Call it what you will. It doesn't bother me. I face the unknown. You fear it which is why you fight so hard to be right. I couldn't care less about your personal choices nor how you choose too live your life. It is your life not mine. Being atheist doesn't make you more intelligent as much as you want it to. You claim logic in your arguments, but fail to see the fallible side of evidence produced from a source proven to be fallible. You could argue that believers do the same thing with using the bible as reference even though it is flawed and fallible.

Welcome to the world of faith.

[Blake]

Call it what you will. It doesn't bother me. I face the unknown. You fear it which is why you fight so hard to be right.

Neh, I've come to terms a long time ago that there's most likely no after life. I think it's you that's afraid that there's no after life. That's why you fight so hard to be right.


Being atheist doesn't make you more intelligent as much as you want it to.

No, it's your belief in the bible that makes you less intelligent in this case.


You claim logic in your arguments, but fail to see the fallible side of evidence produced from a source proven to be fallible. You could argue that believers do the same thing with using the bible as reference even though it is flawed and fallible.

Right, the bible is flawed and fallible. Therefore it's logically ridiculous to believe it's magic stories might possibly be true.

And you still don't understand how the scientific method works. That also makes you pretty stupid in this case.


Welcome to the world of faith.

CD already said it: absence of faith =/= faith.

That you still don't get it makes me your intellectual better. But you're too stupid to know your place.

[xellos88330]

Neh, I've come to terms a long time ago that there's most likely no after life. I think it's you that's afraid that there's no after life. That's why you fight so hard to be right.



No, it's your belief in the bible that makes you less intelligent in this case.



Right, the bible is flawed and fallible. Therefore it's logically ridiculous to believe it's magic stories might possibly be true.

And you still don't understand how the scientific method works. That also makes you pretty stupid in this case.



CD already said it: absence of faith =/= faith.

That you still don't get it makes me your intellectual better. But you're too stupid to know your place.

If you trust in something, it is faith dumbass. If you trust scientific method is the best way, then you have faith in it. It isn't a difficult concept. If you trust in logic, you have faith in it. It is that simple.

I don't understand scientific method? Lol! Whatever makes you feel better at night princess.

I also find some stories in the bible to be a bit ridiculous. I can admit that. I also notice stories that are entirely possible. So should you look at the bible as nothing but nonsense?

I also never implied "magic". Whatever happened had to have had a very real explanation. Jesus could have been an ancient David copperfield. I understand that, but I also know that the tales of Jesus must have some truth in it to create such political uproar for the times. He MUST have been a special person to accomplish that. It is worth the research. If I think like this, certainly others who lived in those times would have done the same thing. Then again, someone blinded by their own fragile ego can't understand beyond themselves and assumes everyone to be as retarded as themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't recall referencing you specifically. You weren't quoted.You were responding to me -- so if it was just ridiculous gross generalization on your part, I don't know what you are trying to argue.


So how do you deduce something doesn't exist using fallible methods?Actually, I'm just waiting for someone to prove it does exist. That's how it works. You're doing a terrible job of it BTW.

[xellos88330]

You were responding to me -- so if it was just ridiculous gross generalization on your part, I don't know what you are trying to argue.

Actually, I'm just waiting for someone to prove it does exist. That's how it works. You're doing a terrible job of it BTW.

I am looking for the same thing tbh. I'm sure that we both can agree that such a discovery will be a remarkable accomplishment for humanity regardless of the outcome.

[ChumpDumper]

I am looking for the same thing tbh. I'm sure that we both can agree that such a discovery will be a remarkable accomplishment for humanity regardless of the outcome.Why isn't there proof though?

[Blake]

If you trust in something, it is faith dumbass. If you trust scientific method is the best way, then you have faith in it. It isn't a difficult concept. If you trust in logic, you have faith in it. It is that simple.

I don't understand scientific method? Lol! Whatever makes you feel better at night princess.

Sure, I have faith in an open ended system to produce theories of the universe that make sense, even if there aren't yet answers for everything . The Bible is a closed system that will never produce evidence for anything.

But faith in the scientific method =/= lack of faith in bible god.



I also find some stories in the bible to be a bit ridiculous. I can admit that. I also notice stories that are entirely possible. So should you look at the bible as nothing but nonsense?

I also never implied "magic". Whatever happened had to have had a very real explanation. Jesus could have been an ancient David copperfield. I understand that, but I also know that the tales of Jesus must have some truth in it to create such political uproar for the times. He MUST have been a special person to accomplish that. It is worth the research. If I think like this, certainly others who lived in those times would have done the same thing. Then again, someone blinded by their own fragile ego can't understand beyond themselves and assumes everyone to be as retarded as themselves.

The Bible itself implies God's supernatural magic in every book. Which parts exactly do you believe in? The resurrection? The flood? The 6 day creation?

Pick one you think is possible and let's dissect and discuss.

[~O~]

Aron ra. That is all.

[xellos88330]

Sure, I have faith in an open ended system to produce theories of the universe that make sense, even if there aren't yet answers for everything . The Bible is a closed system that will never produce evidence for anything.

But faith in the scientific method =/= lack of faith in bible god.



The Bible itself implies God's supernatural magic in every book. Which parts exactly do you believe in? The resurrection? The flood? The 6 day creation?

Pick one you think is possible and let's dissect and discuss.

What in your mind is supernatural?

There are places in the universe where the laws of physics break down. Would that qualify as supernatural since it defies our knowledge and laws? What is possible in a place or by something that doesn't adhere to our laws of physics.

The resurrection could easily be real. Even in modern times people are mistaken for dead.

The flood could have also been real. "The world" could easily have meant only the world that they themselves knew of. It could easily have been a tsunami. Besides, if everyone else was killed off but Noah or whatever, then of course the world becomes limited to the knowledge of the world to Noah and survivors.

6 Day creation. God created the world in 6 days. How does one determine the length of a day without a sun? It could easily have been an interpretation of stages in which people could comprehend.

[xellos88330]

Why isn't there proof though?

There is proofs out there. Just proofs that you do not want to accept.

David, Saul, Solomon, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, all might very well be real people known to have existed in those eras.

The stories surrounding them, could easily be taken as myth much like King Arthur or Atlantis. Does it not mean that there is no truth to their accounts? Was it all due to their faith that they were able to accomplish such things?

[Blake]

You didn't answer. What parts of the bible do YOU literally believe in?

[ChumpDumper]

There is proofs out there. Just proofs that you do not want to accept.

David, Saul, Solomon, Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, all might very well be real people known to have existed in those eras.

The stories surrounding them, could easily be taken as myth much like King Arthur or Atlantis. Does it not mean that there is no truth to their accounts? Was it all due to their faith that they were able to accomplish such things?Someone's existing and someone's being magic messiah man are two different things.

If all you are saying is some regular people existed around whom crazy myths evolved, then we are in agreement.

[xellos88330]

Someone's existing and someone's being magic messiah man are two different things.

If all you are saying is some regular people existed around whom crazy myths evolved, then we are in agreement.

I never implied magic. There has to be a very REAL explanation for whatever happened back then. I do believe that some of the stories are embellished. I also believe that just because a story is embellished it doesn't mean that there is no truth to the story.

[xellos88330]

You didn't answer. What parts of the bible do YOU literally believe in?

David vs. Goliath, Sodom and Gomorrah, Temple of Solomon, Jesus trashing the market, lots of stuff like that, the crucifixion. There is too much to write.

I don't believe things happened exactly as they are written though. I do believe that there must be a proper explanation as to why it happened. As I keep saying, there are reasons why things happened that I cannot just blindly chalk up to coincidence. I do not believe in magic, but I do believe things happen for a reason.

[ChumpDumper]

I never implied magic. There has to be a very REAL explanation for whatever happened back then. I do believe that some of the stories are embellished. I also believe that just because a story is embellished it doesn't mean that there is no truth to the story.So you just need to pick and choose which god story is bullshit?

Seems pretty stupid.

[Blake]

Sodom and Gomorrah

Lot's wife turning to salt seems magical to me......or is there a logical explanation?

[xellos88330]

So you just need to pick and choose which god story is bullshit?

Seems pretty stupid.

No more than calling the whole thing bullshit when there are stories that easily could have happened.

[xellos88330]

Lot's wife turning to salt seems magical to me......or is there a logical explanation?

People have had their shadows burned into walls. A person could be burned alive and left a pile of ash. Check out what happens to people caught in pyroclastic flows.

[Blake]

People have had their shadows burned into walls. A person could be burned alive and left a pile of ash. Check out what happens to people caught in pyroclastic flows.

Then why didn't the bible just come out and say that? You're having to make things up to fit your beliefs.

[Blake]

No more than calling the whole thing bullshit when there are stories that easily could have happened.

Unless you have evidence the stories occurred, I can call bull shit and there's nothing you can do about it

[xellos88330]

Then why didn't the bible just come out and say that? You're having to make things up to fit your beliefs.

I am doing no such thing. You are expecting ancient people to have the same amount of knowledge as we do.

They can't just come out and say what they do not understand. The only thing left to do is describe the event the best they can. They didn't have Google.

So in the end, perhaps it is you that is making up your idea of how much ancients should know and basing all of your arguments based on the assumption that their knowledge of nature and the world was at the same level as ours. I am not the one warping things to fit my belief structure. You are.

[xellos88330]

Unless you have evidence the stories occurred, I can call bull shit and there's nothing you can do about it

Of course. You have already made your decision on it. I on the other hand require more research in order to form my opinions especially since there are events/people in the bible that could be scientifically explained.

[Blake]

I am doing no such thing. You are expecting ancient people to have the same amount of knowledge as we do.

They can't just come out and say what they do not understand. The only thing left to do is describe the event the best they can. They didn't have Google.

Do you believe the bible is divinely inspired or not? If so, then God is a terrible communicator.

Why don't you stop being wishy washy and explain clearly what you believe about Jesus and the bible.

[ChumpDumper]

No more than calling the whole thing bullshit when there are stories that easily could have happened.So you allow for all that potential actuality in all religions or just the one you chose?

[xellos88330]

So you allow for all that potential actuality in all religions or just the one you chose?

I have never really liked religions. I like to think that God couldn't care less how you display your faith, so long as you have faith. All of this conversion nonense is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how you believe, just that you do believe.

[xellos88330]

Do you believe the bible is divinely inspired or not? If so, then God is a terrible communicator.

Why don't you stop being wishy washy and explain clearly what you believe about Jesus and the bible.

I have tried. You are just incapable or don't want to understand simple things because if violates your belief structure.

[Blake]

I have tried. You are just incapable or don't want to understand simple things because if violates your belief structure.

Lol sure, make it about me.

Wishy washy coward.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No more than calling the whole thing bullshit when there are stories that easily could have happened.

Saying that some of the stories are based on something that actually happened is not proof of your God. Best you have ever gotten is that your most nebulous sky man is possible. I prefer to cut to the chase.

There is no reason to believe the notions of absolution and authority.

[xellos88330]

Saying that some of the stories are based on something that actually happened is not proof of your God. Best you have ever gotten is that your most nebulous sky man is possible. I prefer to cut to the chase.

There is no reason to believe the notions of absolution and authority.

I'm not trying to convince you to begin with, but rather the possibility. It seems I have done so.

[xellos88330]

Lol sure, make it about me.

Wishy washy coward.

Ummm, ok?

[Blake]

Ummm, ok?

If you're ok with being ashamed to distinctly state your belief system, it's no skin off my back.

Just don't blame your cowardice on me. That's disingenuous.

[xellos88330]

If you're ok with being ashamed to distinctly state your belief system, it's no skin off my back.

Just don't blame your cowardice on me. That's disingenuous.

Ummmm... how much more can you possibly fail?

I wouldn't be in this thread and having this discussion to begin with if I were ashamed. How much more retarded can you get? You are getting so close to full retard. A couple more posts from you and you just might make it there. I am rooting for you.

[Blake]

Ummmm... how much more can you possibly fail?

I wouldn't be in this thread and having this discussion to begin with if I were ashamed. How much more retarded can you get? You are getting so close to full retard. A couple more posts from you and you just might make it there. I am rooting for you.

Still no sign of your belief system. More about me. You've already reached full coward.

[xellos88330]

I have never really liked religions. I like to think that God couldn't care less how you display your faith, so long as you have faith. All of this conversion nonsense is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how you believe, just that you do believe.

See Blake. The very top of this page.

I have in no way failed to state my belief now did I? Perhaps if you learned basic reading comprehension, your fingers wouldn't type faster than you are capable of thinking. You believe I am arguing the case of Bible God. I am not. I am arguing that there could be truths within the Bible. It is you that are obsessed with God being as depicted in the Bible so that you can fully display your ignorance and complete lack of mental agility. This can easily be based on your fear of being inadequate and you use atheism and bashing religious folk to make you feel better about your insignificance. Yet I am the coward? You cannot even bring yourself to admit that scenarios written in the Bible can actually happen and have been proven to be a scientific possibility.

[xellos88330]

Still no sign of your belief system. More about me. You've already reached full coward.

See above post.

[Blake]

See above post.

You didn't say what to have faith in exactly or what your reward for your faith is. You left it at a comfortable vagueness that leaves you room to eject at the first sign of you looking the fool.

So whenever you're ready to really lay it out in detail....

[clambake]

I have never really liked religions. I like to think that God couldn't care less how you display your faith, so long as you have faith. All of this conversion nonense is ridiculous. It doesn't matter how you believe, just that you do believe.

is god cool with worshipping other gods?

[Blake]

is god cool with worshipping other gods?

Including Satan?

[clambake]

i was wondering if xellos would answer that question.

he said he would like to think that god couldn't care less how you display your faith.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not trying to convince you to begin with, but rather the possibility. It seems I have done so.

You didn't persuade me. I know you know what the flying spaghetti monster is.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

See Blake. The very top of this page.

I have in no way failed to state my belief now did I? Perhaps if you learned basic reading comprehension, your fingers wouldn't type faster than you are capable of thinking. You believe I am arguing the case of Bible God. I am not. I am arguing that there could be truths within the Bible. It is you that are obsessed with God being as depicted in the Bible so that you can fully display your ignorance and complete lack of mental agility. This can easily be based on your fear of being inadequate and you use atheism and bashing religious folk to make you feel better about your insignificance. Yet I am the coward? You cannot even bring yourself to admit that scenarios written in the Bible can actually happen and have been proven to be a scientific possibility.

You take no stance whatsoever anymore. You already said you rejected organized religion. You don't deny my claim of absolution and authority of being unbelievable. At that point who cares what you believe in and of yourself.

You dissemble into nothing.

[Blake]

I know you know what the flying spaghetti monster is.

He loves building strawmen and other such fallacies, so i'm gonna say no he doesn't. Or if he does, he doesn't understand it.

[xellos88330]

You take no stance whatsoever anymore. You already said you rejected organized religion. You don't deny my claim of absolution and authority of being unbelievable. At that point who cares what you believe in and of yourself.

You dissemble into nothing.

This is the major problem with faith. That is all it comes down to is faith. In reality if you choose to believe or not to believe, both are nothing more than a guess. I prefer the idea of a creator. What is so hard to understand about that? I seek only knowledge.

If you do believe in the explanation of the big bang theory, how do you get something INFINITELY SMALL, INFINITELY DENSE, and INFINITELY HOT? How is your belief that the universe was born from the idea of infinity being calculable while at the same time establishing limits to the infinity and expect to be 100% correct? To bash on believers and say spaghetti monster and other crap like that, when you yourself believe that the universe was created by something INFINITE.

To me God is the creator. God is infinite. Just because I am not arrogant enough to put my own perceptions or limits to the infinite, doesn't lessen nor diminish my stance. People just cannot claim to understand infinity and say they are accurate. Doing so puts yourself into the class of omniscience rendering your knowledge infinite.

[xellos88330]

Oh, and since you tend to subscribe to the idea of infinite as stated by the big bang theory, there are infinite possibilites. With infinite possibilities even a flying spaghetti monster is not only possible, but inevitable.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is the major problem with faith. That is all it comes down to is faith. In reality if you choose to believe or not to believe, both are nothing more than a guess. I prefer the idea of a creator. What is so hard to understand about that? I seek only knowledge.

If you do believe in the explanation of the big bang theory, how do you get something INFINITELY SMALL, INFINITELY DENSE, and INFINITELY HOT? How is your belief that the universe was born from the idea of infinity being calculable while at the same time establishing limits to the infinity and expect to be 100% correct? To bash on believers and say spaghetti monster and other crap like that, when you yourself believe that the universe was created by something INFINITE.

To me God is the creator. God is infinite. Just because I am not arrogant enough to put my own perceptions or limits to the infinite, doesn't lessen nor diminish my stance. People just cannot claim to understand infinity and say they are accurate. Doing so puts yourself into the class of omniscience rendering your knowledge infinite.

I brought up the spaghetti monster because he is just as valid as you magic sky man. I cannot prove he doesn't exist or the invisible monkey with a hammer or the cosmic teapot. Your logic fails. Deal with it.

There is no reason to believe that a singularity is an endpoint. You playing pseudo-spirituality dancing around the notion of infinity posits nothing. There is no reason to believe in your creator even if the big bang happened the model you insist on. Your god of the gaps in human knowledge still fails similar to how Zeus as basis for thunderbolts back in the day.

In fact, the need to deify everything we don't fully understand has stifled knowledge and been a problem throughout history. Ehler was banished to Siberia literally because of his topology involving infinity by papists like LaGrange who had deified infinity on the basis of Aquinas. You regurgitating their tripe is counterproductive.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh, and since you tend to subscribe to the idea of infinite as stated by the big bang theory, there are infinite possibilites. With infinite possibilities even a flying spaghetti monster is not only possible, but inevitable.

Don't deign to tell me what I think or believe. I see infinity as a discrete point in multidimensional analysis. It just means ' the end point of everything,' has another source with a transverse axis you know as zero, and in your framework works just as well if the universe is actually bounded or not. You show a dramatic lack of knowledge on the notion of quantum states and the like as well.

You cannot baffle me with that bullshit sorry. I actually understand particle physics and field theory. Peddle your shit elsewhere.

[SpursforSix]

Don't deign to tell me what I think or believe. I see infinity as a discrete point in multidimensional analysis. It just means ' the end point of everything,' has another source with a transverse axis you know as zero, and in your framework works just as well if the universe is actually bounded or not. You show a dramatic lack of knowledge on the notion of quantum states and the like as well.

You cannot baffle me with that bullshit sorry. I actually understand particle physics and field theory. Peddle your shit elsewhere.

I bet you're happy to be able to get that out.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I bet you're happy to be able to get that out.

Sup naruto.

[DarrinS]

Beware the person who constantly talks about how smart they are. Insecure and full of shit, tbh.

[Blake]

Oh, and since you tend to subscribe to the idea of infinite as stated by the big bang theory, there are infinite possibilites. With infinite possibilities even a flying spaghetti monster is not only possible, but inevitable.

So what's the advantage of believing in your god vs the FSM

[xellos88330]

Don't deign to tell me what I think or believe. I see infinity as a discrete point in multidimensional analysis. It just means ' the end point of everything,' has another source with a transverse axis you know as zero, and in your framework works just as well if the universe is actually bounded or not. You show a dramatic lack of knowledge on the notion of quantum states and the like as well.

You cannot baffle me with that bullshit sorry. I actually understand particle physics and field theory. Peddle your shit elsewhere.

Since when am I trying to baffle you? You clearly understand exactly what I mean and have said as much earlier. Science requires the infinite to produce the universe. I believe God to be infinite. So where is the problem exactly?

[SpursforSix]

Sup naruto.

Lol. You've mistaken me for someone else. Surprising since you're a genius and all.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Beware the person who constantly talks about how smart they are. Insecure and full of shit, tbh.

I never said how smart I was. I said I understood field theory and particle physics after describing Ehlers topology and talking about the nature of time given big bang models. If that means I am smart in your book then so be it but I wasn't claiming to have a high IQ or appeal to any sense of authority.

No the people that you shouldn't trust are those that appeal to authority claiming that they are attorneys or those that will post anything that even resembles what they want to be true. Frankly given your supposed education you should understand field theory and the topology I am talking about. You claim to have an engineering degree after all or do they not teach electrodynamics and control theory at UTSA?

[xellos88330]

So what's the advantage of believing in your god vs the FSM

God isn't the flying spaghetti monster as it is not infinite. It is just a product of the infinite.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

God isn't the flying spaghetti monster as it is not infinite. It is just a product of the infinite.

How about the infinite flying spaghetti monster or the infinite cosmic teapot or the infinite invisible monkey?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol. You've mistaken me for someone else. Surprising since you're a genius and all.

All I get from this is that your worried that I think I am smarter than you. Keep flailing all you like but you are so typical its amusing.

[Blake]

God isn't the flying spaghetti monster as it is not infinite. It is just a product of the infinite.

Wrong, but that didn't answer the question. What's the advantage for a person to believe in your god vs the FSM?

[xellos88330]

How about the infinite flying spaghetti monster or the infinite cosmic teapot or the infinite invisible monkey?

It really doesn't matter what you call it. Infinite, is infinite.

The funny thing is that my idea of infinite God didn't require your precious particle physics or field theory. It just required reading a bunch of dusty ancient writings.

[xellos88330]

How about the infinite flying spaghetti monster or the infinite cosmic teapot or the infinite invisible monkey?

It really doesn't matter what you call it. Infinite, is infinite.

The funny thing is that my idea of infinite God didn't require your precious particle physics or field theory. It just required reading a bunch of dusty ancient writings.

[xellos88330]

Wrong, but that didn't answer the question. What's the advantage for a person to believe in your god vs the FSM?

Wrong huh? Prove I am wrong. Then you will find the advantages on your own. Oh wait... you are a special kind of idiot and can't do it yourself.

[Blake]

Wrong huh? Prove I am wrong. Then you will find the advantages on your own.
Oh wait... you are a special kind of idiot and can't do it yourself.

Ancient texts claim the FSM is infinite. Your god is a product of the infinitely powerful FSM. That's why there's no advantage to your belief in your weaker god.

[xellos88330]

Ancient texts claim the FSM is infinite. Your god is a product of the infinitely powerful FSM. That's why there's no advantage to your belief in your weaker god.

And there it is.... Full retard.

[Blake]

And there it is.... Full retard.

Says the guy that believes in a weak, insecure god that loves blood sacrifices.

FSM>>>bible god

[DarrinS]

I never said how smart I was. I said I understood field theory and particle physics after describing Ehlers topology and talking about the nature of time given big bang models. If that means I am smart in your book then so be it but I wasn't claiming to have a high IQ or appeal to any sense of authority.

No the people that you shouldn't trust are those that appeal to authority claiming that they are attorneys or those that will post anything that even resembles what they want to be true. Frankly given your supposed education you should understand field theory and the topology I am talking about. You claim to have an engineering degree after all or do they not teach electrodynamics and control theory at UTSA?


You're like one of those guys in a meeting who talks a lot, but doesn't really say anything. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It really doesn't matter what you call it. Infinite, is infinite.

The funny thing is that my idea of infinite God didn't require your precious particle physics or field theory. It just required reading a bunch of dusty ancient writings.

Maimonides, a Rabbi in the Ayyubid caliphate, created your iteration of infinity first and Aquinas picked up on it in Summa. Maimonides at least understood the nature of zero as a source. Both deified it and Aquinas predecessors refused to change their position from your position of this concept = God for the next 400 years. I know about that too.

My precious science is demonstrated true empirically nonetheless despite your role models obstructions. As I pointed out, Ehler was banished to Russia because of his views. I've read how you claim the possibility of God in each point of existence trying cheesey mysticism and similar unfounded assertions. Wishcasting isn't going to make your God true. If you actually read up on infinity there are many forms of infinity as clearly and easily shown by applying L'hopital's rule.

I like Thoreau's take that reason and faith shouldn't contradict.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're like one of those guys in a meeting who talks a lot, but doesn't really say anything. :lol


A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.

That is what I think of that. You claim to be an engineering graduate from UTSA. We looked up their catalog remember? You should know these topics I am discussing as they are part of the engineering degree program at UTSA.

So that either means you have poor retention and have not worked to maintain your knowledge or it means that you are a lying. Either way I don't care as you have no credibility and that quote is apt.

[Blake]

You're like one of those guys in a meeting who talks a lot, but doesn't really say anything. :lol

You're like the secretaries that like to talk about other people in the office

[DarrinS]

That is what I think of that. You claim to be an engineering graduate from UTSA. We looked up their catalog remember? You should know these topics I am discussing as they are part of the engineering degree program at UTSA.

So that either means you have poor retention and have not worked to maintain your knowledge or it means that you are a lying. Either way I don't care as you have no credibility and that quote is apt.


Lol, UTSA smack. How will I go on? :dramaquee

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol, UTSA smack. How will I go on? :dramaquee


A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.

That wasn't UTSA smack. I was simply observing the courses that you would have had to take to get an engineering degree from where you claim to have one. We've been over this before.

You had to have studied infinity and the complex conjugate I am discussing here in order to get your degree. The quality of the school is irrelevant. That is the basis of me saying you are either stupid/lazy and you didn't learn or that you are lying and don't have an engineering degree.

[DarrinS]

That wasn't UTSA smack. I was simply observing the courses that you would have had to take to get an engineering degree from where you claim to have one. We've been over this before.

You had to have studied infinity and the complex conjugate I am discussing here in order to get your degree. The quality of the school is irrelevant. That is the basis of me saying you are either stupid/lazy and you didn't learn or that you are lying and don't have an engineering degree.


I really wasn't paying attention to anything you were discussing. Simply observing that you are a pompous blowhard with a bad case of verbal diarrhea.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really wasn't paying attention to anything you were discussing. Simply observing that you are a pompous blowhard with a bad case of verbal diarrhea.

we know all about your poor reading skills from your multiple posts of articles you clearly had not read. you can dress it up as virtue or excuse if you like but your method is already well known.

[DMC]

And there it is.... Full retard.
That made me lol IRL

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sup naruto.

You are the absolute stupidest motherfucker when trying to call out an alt.

What up CTOA :lol

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z78_rAg4Ldg

[Avante]

I don't like being around atheists, and would never want one in my foxhole.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't like being around atheists, and would never want one in my foxhole.Granted your preference for underage girls in any hole-related situation, what difference would atheism make in a foxhole?

[Blake]

I don't like being around atheists, and would never want one in my foxhole.

If your atheists overlords were to torture you into declaring there is no god, it wouldn't be long before your fat ass caves.

[Avante]

If your atheists overlords were to torture you into declaring there is no god, it wouldn't be long before your fat ass caves.

Dude, there are how many posts here before ya get to this one? STOP HUMPING MY LEG...ok ya fucking queer?

[Blake]

I've got 81 posts in this thread. You've got 4.

It's an open message board you fucking idiot. If you can't take someone making fun of your stupid posts, then stop making stupid posts.

Retarded old fuck.

[Avante]

I've got 81 posts in this thread. You've got 4.

It's an open message board you fucking idiot. If you can't take someone making fun of your stupid posts, then stop making stupid posts.

Retarded old fuck.

Dude, this is a stupid post.....Nick Chubb only averaged......hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Blake, talk to me little fella, ok? What were you thinking there? Did you really think ....ONE GAME....was going to do what? Why do you do that stupid shit, well? Come on guy answer me, what was with that stupid shit?

AND....I made a thread talking about Derrick Henry and how I saw him as being special, so why this need to try everything to hassle, well? Instead of...."good call"....it has to be some bullshit from you....why? I just had two winning ATS seasons, yet instead of..."good job"..it's..."well back in 2013"....why?

Dude, why are you so damn fucked up? Now don't ignore what I asked up there ok ya little prick, what is with you asshole...well?

[Blake]

You're an idiot. Stop humping my leg and stay on topic.

[SpursforSix]

Dude, this is a stupid post.....Nick Chubb only averaged......hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!



Nick Chubb...who's he'd marry? Violet Loose?

[xellos88330]

Maimonides, a Rabbi in the Ayyubid caliphate, created your iteration of infinity first and Aquinas picked up on it in Summa. Maimonides at least understood the nature of zero as a source. Both deified it and Aquinas predecessors refused to change their position from your position of this concept = God for the next 400 years. I know about that too.

My precious science is demonstrated true empirically nonetheless despite your role models obstructions. As I pointed out, Ehler was banished to Russia because of his views. I've read how you claim the possibility of God in each point of existence trying cheesey mysticism and similar unfounded assertions. Wishcasting isn't going to make your God true. If you actually read up on infinity there are many forms of infinity as clearly and easily shown by applying L'hopital's rule.

I like Thoreau's take that reason and faith shouldn't contradict.

Of course there are many forms of infinity. It is infinity. Why can't one of those forms be God?

[Blake]

Of course there are many forms of infinity. It is infinity. Why can't one of those forms be God?

Yes, why can't one of those forms be Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[xellos88330]

Yes, why can't one of those forms be Flying Spaghetti Monster?

I never said it couldn't. It doesn't matter what descriptive name you give to the infinite so long as it truly is infinite. Flying Spaghetti Monster if infinite is God. Me calling it God doesn't change the nature of it being infinite. You get too caught up in what it is called. If flying spaghetti monster is infinite, then it isn't confined to just the form of a flying spaghetti monster now is it?

Please don't prove the existence of a level beyond full retard should you respond.

[Blake]

I never said it couldn't. It doesn't matter what descriptive name you give to the infinite so long as it truly is infinite. Flying Spaghetti Monster if infinite is God. Me calling it God doesn't change the nature of it being infinite. You get too caught up in what it is called. If flying spaghetti monster is infinite, then it isn't confined to just the form of a flying spaghetti monster now is it?

Please don't prove the existence of a level beyond full retard should you respond.

In your view of infinity it's possible for you that both exist.

Do you believe that Jesus did miracles and died for your sins or not? Stop being a pussy and come straight out with what you believe regarding the bible and after life.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course there are many forms of infinity. It is infinity. Why can't one of those forms be God?

Why can't they all? Begging a question and wishcasting at it doesn't make it true. There is no evidence of your God. An assertion with no evidence is discarded even if a legion of people including your parents insists it's true.

[Quetzal-X]

What specific part of the bible? Which specific story? Bring it out !

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In your view of infinity it's possible for you that both exist.

Do you believe that Jesus did miracles and died for your sins or not? Stop being a pussy and come straight out with what you believe regarding the bible and after life.

More like do you believe that because you believe in Jesus that you get to go to heaven while because I do not I get to go to Hell. That is the crux of it. He wants his prize.

[Quetzal-X]

Bring out the scriptures xello

[xellos88330]

In your view of infinity it's possible for you that both exist.

Do you believe that Jesus did miracles and died for your sins or not? Stop being a pussy and come straight out with what you believe regarding the bible and after life.

I believe that Jesus did perform miracles. As far as dying for our sins, if that is what he believed he was doing, then yes he did die for our sins. It doesn't matter what I think he died for. He was the one doing the dying.

After I die, I will just return to the universe until I become a part of something else. I think that energy is what makes living things well... living things. I don't believe that my energy will die, just become a part of something else.

Regarding the Bible, there are things I believe have substance. There are too many to list in full. For example, the flood. I believe it was cased by an earthquake in the ocean. This could explain the animals as well as science has shown that they can sense earthquakes and will flee. The earthquake triggered a tsunami destroying everything. How Noah knew to build the ark? Either he was crazy, or knew it was going to happen.

[Blake]

I believe that Jesus did perform miracles. As far as dying for our sins, if that is what he believed he was doing, then yes he did die for our sins. It doesn't matter what I think he died for. He was the one doing the dying.

After I die, I will just return to the universe until I become a part of something else. I think that energy is what makes living things well... living things. I don't believe that my energy will die, just become a part of something else.

Regarding the Bible, there are things I believe have substance. There are too many to list in full. For example, the flood. I believe it was cased by an earthquake in the ocean. This could explain the animals as well as science has shown that they can sense earthquakes and will flee. The earthquake triggered a tsunami destroying everything. How Noah knew to build the ark? Either he was crazy, or knew it was going to happen.

Or you're crazy.

[xellos88330]

Or you're crazy.

So, what fault did you find with my interpretation? Merely making a comment stating that I am crazy requires some proofs. Did anything I state not make sense to you? If that is the case, it is hardly a reason to assume I am crazy.

[Blake]

Did anything I state not make sense to you?

No, you believing in Noah's ark, Jesus doing magic tricks and that your after death energy will becomes part of the universe makes perfect sense.

[Avante]

No, you believing in Noah's ark, Jesus doing magic tricks and that your after death energy will becomes part of the universe makes perfect sense.

Two fishies thingies*** waddle out of the ocean, they will evolve into....

bugs
elephants
snakes
birds
apes
cows
dogs

...now that makes sense, hahaha!!!!!!!!!

*** make and female just happened to find the same beach at the same time.

[xellos88330]

People do miraculous things all the time. A person falling from the sky with a broken chute and survives. Landing a plane on the Hudson. A miracle doesn't need to involve the divine. It just needs to garner an improbable positive result. Jesus was a person, therefore, he can perform miracles just as we can. I also never claimed he performed "magic". You keep pulling that word out with things you can't understand. I mean for fucks sake, people bring people back from the dead all the damn time. Magic doesn't exist. Since magic doesn't exist, quit bringing that retarded concept up and attempt to tie it into my belief structure. I mean damn... how fucking retarded are you anyway?

Law of conservation of energy. That is where my belief in energy after death derives from. Of course, an intelligent and educated person such as yourself should have known that.

So, basically an undersea earthquake cannot cause flooding, person cannot build a boat, and people don't try to save animals from drowning? I guess there is a level beyond full retard.

[Avante]

People do miraculous things all the time. A person falling from the sky with a broken chute and survives. Landing a plane on the Hudson. A miracle doesn't need to involve the divine. It just needs to garner an improbable positive result. Jesus was a person, therefore, he can perform miracles just as we can. I also never claimed he performed "magic". You keep pulling that word out with things you can't understand. I mean for fucks sake, people bring people back from the dead all the damn time. Magic doesn't exist. Since magic doesn't exist, quit bringing that retarded concept up and attempt to tie it into my belief structure. I mean damn... how fucking retarded are you anyway?

Law of conservation of energy. That is where my belief in energy after death derives from. Of course, an intelligent and educated person such as yourself should have known that.

So, basically an undersea earthquake cannot cause flooding, person cannot build a boat, and people don't try to save animals from drowning? I guess there is a level beyond full retard.

Well ya got one thing right there, yep, he's retarded.

[xellos88330]

Why can't they all? Begging a question and wishcasting at it doesn't make it true. There is no evidence of your God. An assertion with no evidence is discarded even if a legion of people including your parents insists it's true.

Simple. Infinity contains EVERYTHING. We are just a product of the infinite. No matter what is out there it will still only be a product of the infinite. God is the infinite.

[xellos88330]

Well ya got one thing right there, yep, he's retarded.

Well, we agree on that at least.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Simple. Infinity contains EVERYTHING. We are just a product of the infinite. No matter what is out there it will still only be a product of the infinite. God is the infinite.

God is everything? If you want to believe we are all cogs in some greater consciousness then you are going to need to do better than just wave your hands at it.

How you get from there to Bible God and you going to heaven I have no idea.

You are taking what for some is a difficult concept and wrapping it up in God. It's much the same as with all the God of the gaps nonsense. I'm just glad I live in an age of more enlightenment where we don't have to worship sun, rain, and infinity gods if we don't want to.

[Blake]

People do miraculous things all the time. A person falling from the sky with a broken chute and survives. Landing a plane on the Hudson. A miracle doesn't need to involve the divine. It just needs to garner an improbable positive result. Jesus was a person, therefore, he can perform miracles just as we can. I also never claimed he performed "magic". You keep pulling that word out with things you can't understand. I mean for fucks sake, people bring people back from the dead all the damn time. Magic doesn't exist. Since magic doesn't exist, quit bringing that retarded concept up and attempt to tie it into my belief structure. I mean damn... how fucking retarded are you anyway?

Do people walk on water all the time? The bible is a book filled with God and Jesus performing magic tricks. If you don't want to believe in magic and just use the bible as a historical text, that's fine, but it's pretty useless in that sense, tbh.



Law of conservation of energy. That is where my belief in energy after death derives from. Of course, an intelligent and educated person such as yourself should have known that.

No, I shouldn't have known your belief system. It's why I asked.

If you just believe that you'll be scattered energy after you die, why are you in here black knighting against atheists?



So, basically an undersea earthquake cannot cause flooding, person cannot build a boat, and people don't try to save animals from drowning? I guess there is a level beyond full retard.

An educated, intelligent person wouldn't roll with such horrible strawmen.

[xellos88330]

Do people walk on water all the time? The bible is a book filled with God and Jesus performing magic tricks. If you don't want to believe in magic and just use the bible as a historical text, that's fine, but it's pretty useless in that sense, tbh.



No, I shouldn't have known your belief system. It's why I asked.

If you just believe that you'll be scattered energy after you die, why are you in here black knighting against atheists?



An educated, intelligent person wouldn't roll with such horrible strawmen.

I am here simply because it is fun. I don't go after just any atheist. I go after the ones who think because they are athiest, they are somehow better than others who are not. You are one of those types.

The Bible is not useless has a historical text. All history can be learned from.

I can recreate the illusion of walking on water. It really isn't that difficult.

So about the Noah story. You call it nonsense how I explained it. How is it nonsense? Are my reasons not completely possible?

[xellos88330]

God is everything? If you want to believe we are all cogs in some greater consciousness then you are going to need to do better than just wave your hands at it.

How you get from there to Bible God and you going to heaven I have no idea.

You are taking what for some is a difficult concept and wrapping it up in God. It's much the same as with all the God of the gaps nonsense. I'm just glad I live in an age of more enlightenment where we don't have to worship sun, rain, and infinity gods if we don't want to.

I'm not trying to make you worship. That is pointless. I am just trying to make a point that you cannot stereotype believers. I do look at the bible with skepticism just the same as with science. I just look for connections and patterns to try to make sense of the plethora of information.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not trying to make you worship. That is pointless. I am just trying to make a point that you cannot stereotype believers. I do look at the bible with skepticism just the same as with science. I just look for connections and patterns to try to make sense of the plethora of information.

I never said you did. You're quite easy to dismiss.

I am not stereotyping believers. I'm stereotyping you. You are taking what is a difficult concept for many people like infinity and deifying it. It's typical nonsense. People have been doing that about physical phenomenon since before history. People used to see the sun and call it Ja and worship it. You conceive of something boundless and you worship it.

And again even if that is true then there is nothing linking it to Bible God other than wishful thinking and priest babble in Maimonides and Aquinas.

[Blake]

I am here simply because it is fun. I don't go after just any atheist. I go after the ones who think because they are athiest, they are somehow better than others who are not. You are one of those types.

The Bible is not useless has a historical text. All history can be learned from.

I can recreate the illusion of walking on water. It really isn't that difficult.

So about the Noah story. You call it nonsense how I explained it. How is it nonsense? Are my reasons not completely possible?

You're downplaying the miracles of the bible as being nothing more than Vegas illusion magic tricks.

You think we just become mere energy after we die.

You're basically atheist.

Lol Noah fitting all the animals in a boat for 40 days/nights.

[Quetzal-X]

I believe that Jesus did perform miracles. As far as dying for our sins, if that is what he believed he was doing, then yes he did die for our sins. It doesn't matter what I think he died for. He was the one doing the dying.

After I die, I will just return to the universe until I become a part of something else. I think that energy is what makes living things well... living things. I don't believe that my energy will die, just become a part of something else.

Regarding the Bible, there are things I believe have substance. There are too many to list in full. For example, the flood. I believe it was cased by an earthquake in the ocean. This could explain the animals as well as science has shown that they can sense earthquakes and will flee. The earthquake triggered a tsunami destroying everything. How Noah knew to build the ark? Either he was crazy, or knew it was going to happen.
Do you have scripture to back up this bullshit? "too many to list in full"--cool, how about just the most badass?