Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol thinking a bunch of backwards towel heads could master flying a 747 and fly them perfectly into their targets

[ChumpDumper]

2/10. Didn't even get the plane model right.

[Saved By Zero]

:lol thinking a bunch of backwards towel heads could master flying a 747 and fly them perfectly into their targets

Why is that so hard to believe? Not like the Twin Towers were a small target and if you have basic pilot skills it can be done.
Another idiot conspiracy theorist.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Why is that so hard to believe? Not like the Twin Towers were a small target and if you have basic pilot skills it can be done.
Another idiot conspiracy theorist.
Was the pentagon a easy target? :lol thinking a bunch of camel jockeys could perfectly fly a commercial jet into a the Pentagon

[ChumpDumper]

Was the pentagon a easy target?Relatively speaking, yes.

[DMX7]

The Pentagon is quite big.

[DarrinS]

Don't have to "melt" steel to weaken it. Lol, dumbass.

[ChumpDumper]

The Pentagon is quite big.
And there is a really straight road running directly to it. Fairly easy to line things up.

[Spurminator]

http://i.imgur.com/km5zuWV.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

No Shit Sherlock.

Only the deniers use that strawman.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't have to "melt" steel to weaken it. Lol, dumbass.

Hard to believe these conspiracy theorists have enough brain cells to use a keyboard.

[ChumpDumper]

But they saw rivers of molten steel in the rubble! They know it was steel because they scooped it up and tasted it. Molten steel has a very metallic taste.

[Wild Cobra]

But they saw rivers of molten steel in the rubble! They know it was steel because they scooped it up and tasted it. Molten steel has a very metallic taste.

:tu:

[xellos88330]

I have crashed planes into buildings before in aircraft simulators when I was in the Air Force. Pretty much the only way I could hit anything. LOL!!!

[jeebus]

:lol thinking a bunch of backwards towel heads could master flying a 747 and fly them perfectly into their targets

You're like a tourist at the zoo, stopping buy the little fish pond area aka spurstalk. You put a couple quarters into the bait machine and drop one little 9/11 sized bait into the water. All the spurmtalkers rush over and take said bait with a ferocity, as if they hadn't been baited since yesterday.

[ChumpDumper]

You're like a tourist at the zoo, stopping buy the little fish pond area aka spurstalk. You put a couple quarters into the bait machine and drop one little 9/11 sized bait into the water. All the spurmtalkers rush over and take said bait with a ferocity, as if they hadn't been baited since yesterday.
Eh, I graded the troll effort first.

[Chris]

9/11, But what really happened that day?

19 Arabs from caves of Afghan defeated the most sophisticated military defense system in the world and that too four times in a day.
#Geniuses?

Three building, WTC tower 1,2 & 7, collapsed at a free fall speed.
#LawsOfPhysics?

Steel girders [2750F] were melted by aviation fuel [1517F].
#LawsOfChemistry?

Two planes hit two buildings and three buildings collapsed.
#Maths?

All the hijackers were on board yet none of them had their name on the flight manifest.
#Magic?

At least five of the hijackers are still alive after their suicidal mission and have been intervied by the BBC.
#Ghosts?

Pentagon, one of the most safely guarded places in the world, was hit by a plane and no video or footage of the plane was available.
#Coincidence?

No wreckage of the plane was found in Shank ville.
May be a #monster ate that plane.

Cell phone calls were made from the airplanes.
#Technology?

[Silver&Black]

Don't have to "melt" steel to weaken it. Lol, dumbass.

DarrinS....

My nigga.

[DJR210]

inb4 Cosmored

[Clipper Nation]

OP is a faggot "truther" who doesn't have a clue about science.


Experts and investigations conclude that steel didn’t have to melt to cause collapse. Instead, the planes entering the buildings at 750 feet per second caused significant damage. They were banked at an angle that took out multiple floors upon impact and likely stripped the fireproofing from the core load-bearing structures on those floors. Jet fuel then ignited everything inside the buildings.

Steel weakens at as low as 400 degrees. At 980, it’s at only 10 percent strength, according to industry experts. As the core steel columns weakened, load-bearing was transferred to the building’s shell. As the fires continued to burn, multiple floors weakened, sagged, and pulled on the outside structure causing total collapse.

The jet fuel followed the path of least resistance, incidentally, which means some of it flowed down the elevator shafts from the top of the building, causing explosions and fireballs on lower floors, which conspiracy theorists sometimes cite as evidence of bombs.

http://townhall.com/columnists/marykatharineham/2007/09/11/top_5_911_truther_myths_you_should_be_prepared_to_ debunk

[Clipper Nation]

From the same article:


Two planes hit two buildings and three buildings collapsed.
#Maths?
An early FEMA report puzzled over the collapse of WTC 7 because it appeared to have sustained little structural damage and been brought down by fire alone. Truthers latch onto the early FEMA report as proof, but further investigation has found that one face of the building had damage to 10 lower stories. That damage was obscured by smoke in most photographic evidence.

There are also a number of idiosyncrasies in the building’s design that contributed. It was built over a power substation, which meant the relatively few columns on the lower floors were designed to carry extremely large loads. Taking out just one would have caused serious problems. WTC 7 was designed to stay operational during power outages, so several fuel tanks for generators inside the building are thought to have supplied the fires with fuel for up to seven hours.


Pentagon, one of the most safely guarded places in the world, was hit by a plane and no video or footage of the plane was available.
#Coincidence?
The hole in the side of the Pentagon was approximately 90 feet wide, according to The Pentagon Building Performance Report, but it was not the exact width of the 124-foot plane.

Both wings were damaged before the plane entered the building. According to eyewitness reports from commuters on I-395 and observers in the Pentagon parking lot at the time, the right wing hit a large generator and the plane clipped three light posts on its low, barreling descent.

The Pentagon, because it’s the Pentagon, is built of extremely dense reinforced concrete columns. When the plane hit them going 530 mph, it essentially disintegrated. As one observer said, the plane seemed to “melt into the building.”

Parts of the plane that did remain intact past impact flew far into the building. The heavy landing gear created a 16-foot hole in Ring C of the Pentagon, a full 6 walls beyond the entry point, and the flight data recorder was found 300 feet inside the building. Truthers contend that the 16-foot hole had to have been made by a missile.


No wreckage of the plane was found in Shank ville.
May be a #monster ate that plane.
Flight 93 flew into the ground, at a steep angle, at about 580 mph, disintegrating most of the wreckage. What did remain, notably a large piece of engine fan, the Truthers claim ended up miles away from the site, indicating the plane was breaking up before impact. In fact, the fan in question landed 300 yards from the site, and other small bits of paper and scrap metal floated a mile and a half and landed in Indian Lake. Truthers claim Indian Lake is 6 miles away from the crash site, betraying investigation skills hampered by Google Maps. The lake is 1.5 miles away as the crow flies; 6 miles driving.

There was a small corporate jet in the vicinity at the time, descending toward Johnstown, Penn. when the FAA ordered it to check out the area at Shanksville. The plane descended to 1,500 feet, found a smoking hole in the ground, marked the position with the plane’s navigational equipment, and headed to the airport.

"Truthers" need to give it up already, your theories have all been disproven already.
#Science #Facts

[Chris]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/295202_475201809171208_646968168_n.jpg?oh=f4eadc3b 99ac0d5d53a6e3e49106ae6a&oe=56710738

Windsor Tower in Madrid, Spain burned for 20+ hours and never collapsed.

No steel frame structure has ever collapsed due to fire, before or after 9/11. On 9/11, 3 collapsed, due to "structural failure from fires".

1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. ‘Niels Harrit’, ‘Thermite Bentham’, “The great thermate debate” Jon Cole, ‘Iron rich spheres’ Steven Jones, ‘Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)’. ‘Nano Tubes’

2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911′, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. ‘Stand down order’. “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?”. Norman Minetta testimony. “Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.”, ‘NORAD Drills’.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail” Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, “It was a 30 year conspiracy”, “The whitehouse has played cover up”, ‘Max Cleland resigned’, ‘John Farmer’.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. ‘Moussaoui trial’ revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. ‘Sheraton Hotel’, “Double tree’, ‘Citgo”.

7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” CIA created, trained and funded “Al Qaeda/Taliban” during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named ‘Tim Osman’. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).

8)100’s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. “Explosions in the lobby and sub levels”, ‘Firefighter explosions’, ‘Barry Jennings’, ‘William Rodriguez’.

9) 100’s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. “Like you’re in a foundry”, “NIST’s John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal”, ‘Swiss Cheese’, “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” Leslie Robertson’.

10) ‘5 Dancing Israeli’s’ arrested in ‘Mossad Truck Bombs’ on 9/11 that stated “We were there to document the event.” ‘Urban Moving Systems’ front company, ‘Dominic Suter’. “$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)”. “Officer DeCarlo’, ‘Art Students’, ‘Israeli Spying’.

11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. ‘Dov Zakheim’ Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of ‘Systems Planning Corporation’ (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.

12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. ‘9/11 Whistleblowers’, ‘Patriots for 9/11′. ‘Robert Bowman’, ‘Sibel Edmonds’, ‘Albert Stubblebine’, ‘Wesley Clark’, ‘Mark Dayton’, ‘Alan Sabrosky’, ‘Cyntha McKinney’, ‘Jesse Ventura’, ‘Kurt Sonnenfeld’. “patriotsquestion911.com”

13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). “I designed it for a 707 to hit it”, Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. “Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners”, “like a pencil puncturing screen netting” Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. “As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen.” Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

14) History of American False Flag attacks. ‘USS Liberty’, ‘Gulf of Tonkin’, ‘Operation Northwoods’, ‘OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)’, ‘1993 WTC attacks’. ‘Patrick Clawson’. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed “a New Pearl Harbor”, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”. 9/11 Achieved those goals.

15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. ‘BBC wtc 7′, ‘Jane Standley’, Ashleigh Banfield’.

16) “Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania” Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there” ‘Chris Konicki. “Not a drop of blood” Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.” Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. ‘Jersey Girls’. ‘Phil Zelikow’ already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. “The TV was obviously on.” Was informed about the second impact while reading ‘My Pet Goat’ to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under “attack”.

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. ‘Wirt Walker’, ‘Ezra Harel’, ‘ICTS”, ‘WTC power downs’.

22) “Who killed John O’Neil?”. Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O’Neil died in the Towers. ‘Jerome Hauer’ ‘Jules Kroll’.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. ‘Put Options.’ Never identified insiders made millions. ‘United and American Airlines’ ‘Raytheon.’

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed hijackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 hijackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the hijacking code. ‘Alive hijackers’, ‘ACARS’, ‘Pilots for 9/11 Truth’.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/18/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked/

[DMC]

I have crashed planes into buildings before in aircraft simulators when I was in the Air Force. Pretty much the only way I could hit anything. LOL!!!
Lucky for you God was watching.

[DMC]

9/11, But what really happened that day?

19 Arabs from caves of Afghan defeated the most sophisticated military defense system in the world and that too four times in a day.
#Geniuses?

Three building, WTC tower 1,2 & 7, collapsed at a free fall speed.
#LawsOfPhysics?

Steel girders [2750F] were melted by aviation fuel [1517F].
#LawsOfChemistry?

Two planes hit two buildings and three buildings collapsed.
#Maths?

All the hijackers were on board yet none of them had their name on the flight manifest.
#Magic?

At least five of the hijackers are still alive after their suicidal mission and have been intervied by the BBC.
#Ghosts?

Pentagon, one of the most safely guarded places in the world, was hit by a plane and no video or footage of the plane was available.
#Coincidence?

No wreckage of the plane was found in Shank ville.
May be a #monster ate that plane.

Cell phone calls were made from the airplanes.
#Technology?
I get the troll attempt in the OP but you seem ate up with da ignant.

[Chris]

I get the troll attempt in the OP but you seem ate up with da ignant.

I quoted that from someone on facebook tbh, but it was interesting way to put it imo. I hate hashtags, but it seems to be the only way to make the youth take notice these days. 9/11 was certainly an inside job, the very definition of the Hegelian Dialectic. Our government has, and will continue to murder innocent people as long as the banks are happy. They have a well documented track record easily obtainable to any American with some common sense.

[Biernutz]

I saw a show tonight about 9-11. They were talking about the 9-11 report and the 29 pages
of that report that are top secret. One former Senator who saw the report said it contains
29 top secret pages that would embarrass a country and people in their government. The
show implied it was about the Saudi Arabia.

[Nbadan]

I saw a show tonight about 9-11. They were talking about the 9-11 report and the 29 pages
of that report that are top secret. One former Senator who saw the report said it contains
29 top secret pages that would embarrass a country and people in their government. The
show implied it was about the Saudi Arabia.

We're way past implications.....

[Nbadan]

But they saw rivers of molten steel in the rubble! They know it was steel because they scooped it up and tasted it. Molten steel has a very metallic taste.

Could have been aluminum from the plane

:lmao

[DMC]

I quoted that from someone on facebook tbh, but it was interesting way to put it imo. I hate hashtags, but it seems to be the only way to make the youth take notice these days. 9/11 was certainly an inside job, the very definition of the Hegelian Dialectic. Our government has, and will continue to murder innocent people as long as the banks are happy. They have a well documented track record easily obtainable to any American with some common sense.

People give our government too much mental credit. They cannot do anything right, much less keep a secret.

[ChumpDumper]

Could have been aluminum from the plane

:lmaoWhat do you think it was, dan?

Tell us what you think really happened on 9/11.

[Parker2112]

Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.

Edward L. Bernays,*Propaganda

[Parker2112]

But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought.

[Parker2112]

Your mental enslavement was foretold nearly a century ago.:bobo

[Parker2112]

Lol competing rubber stamps. This finally explains the decor in this place! Its no wonder you fools discuss the same topics for over a decade with no resolution. Taste the fail?

thank you Ed, for shining a light in this dark corner:bobo

[Parker2112]

http://smellslikehumanspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bernayspropaganda.jpg

[Parker2112]

http://www.quotationof.com/images/edward-bernayss-quotes-3.jpg

This explains the shitty brown shag carpeting in this cave! Lolz

[Parker2112]

You are all welcome for the complimentary level up.:bobo

[Clipper Nation]

Universal literacy was supposed to educate the common man to control his environment. Once he could read and write he would have a mind fit to rule. So ran the democratic doctrine. But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought. Each man's rubber stamps are the duplicates of millions of others, so that when those millions are exposed to the same stimuli, all receive identical imprints. It may seem an exaggeration to say that the American public gets most of its ideas in this wholesale fashion. The mechanism by which ideas are disseminated on a large scale is propaganda, in the broad sense of an organized effort to spread a particular belief or doctrine.

Edward L. Bernays,*Propaganda
Yes, twoofer crap like "Loose Change" is a perfect example of emotionally manipulative propaganda.

[Parker2112]

Yes, twoofer crap like "Loose Change" is a perfect example of emotionally manipulative propaganda.

pitiless killing. Death by rubber stamp. See above.

if your talking about propaganda, shouting down unpopular voices is THE control mechanism over the masses that Bernays delineated. Its a role that was manufactured for debunkers. "There are no questions worth asking, twoofer... Questions receive no airtime in a public forum. You must cease all questions, or subject yourself to ridicule."

its a 21st century house boy. Welcome to greater self knowledge:bobo

[Parker2112]

Its not enough to have an opinion. You must dictate twoofers opinions as well. Because massah said so.

[Clipper Nation]

if your talking about propaganda, shouting down unpopular voices is THE control mechanism over the masses that Bernays delineated. Its a role that was manufactured for debunkers. "There are no questions worth asking, twoofer... Questions receive no airtime in a public forum. You must cease all questions, or subject yourself to ridicule."
Nobody's "shouting down unpopular voices." Twoofers' "questions" have been roundly debunked by scientific and empirical evidence. They're unpopular for the same reason that the Flat Earth Society or anti-vaxxers are unpopular: they're objectively wrong.

This whole twoofer fad was started by deranged leftists who are so afraid of being "politically incorrect" that they'd rather blame 9/11 on the Republican president than the extremist Muslim terrorists that did it. It's pure propaganda and a hit-piece. It's no different than how the European media would rather accuse immigration skeptics of racism and xenophobia than report on the rapes and beheadings committed by the refugees that are flooding into their countries.

The real conspiracy is how power-hungry politicians on both sides of the aisle used the aftermath of the attacks as an excuse to start unconstitutional wars, grow the size and scope of the government, and trample on our liberties and the Constitution. The Democrats finally had their opportunity to pass the Patriot Act that Joe Biden had written in 1994, while the neocon wing of the GOP had a rationale to start warmongering abroad. As Rahm Emmanuel infamously said, "never let a crisis go to waste." If the twoofers focused on that instead of their pseudoscientific babble, they'd actually have a point and be taken seriously.

[Cry Havoc]

Nobody's "shouting down unpopular voices." Twoofers' "questions" have been roundly debunked by scientific and empirical evidence. They're unpopular for the same reason that the Flat Earth Society or anti-vaxxers are unpopular: they're objectively wrong.

This whole twoofer fad was started by deranged leftists who are so afraid of being "politically incorrect" that they'd rather blame 9/11 on the Republican president than the extremist Muslim terrorists that did it. It's pure propaganda and a hit-piece. It's no different than how the European media would rather accuse immigration skeptics of racism and xenophobia than report on the rapes and beheadings committed by the refugees that are flooding into their countries.

The real conspiracy is how power-hungry politicians on both sides of the aisle used the aftermath of the attacks as an excuse to start unconstitutional wars, grow the size and scope of the government, and trample on our liberties and the Constitution. The Democrats finally had their opportunity to pass the Patriot Act that Joe Biden had written in 1994, while the neocon wing of the GOP had a rationale to start warmongering abroad. As Rahm Emmanuel infamously said, "never let a crisis go to waste." If the twoofers focused on that instead of their pseudoscientific babble, they'd actually have a point and be taken seriously.

CN, spitting flames.

[Parker2112]

Nobody's "shouting down unpopular voices." Twoofers' "questions" have been roundly debunked by scientific and empirical evidence. They're unpopular for the same reason that the Flat Earth Society or anti-vaxxers are unpopular: they're objectively wrong.

This whole twoofer fad was started by deranged leftists who are so afraid of being "politically incorrect" that they'd rather blame 9/11 on the Republican president than the extremist Muslim terrorists that did it. It's pure propaganda and a hit-piece. It's no different than how the European media would rather accuse immigration skeptics of racism and xenophobia than report on the rapes and beheadings committed by the refugees that are flooding into their countries.

The real conspiracy is how power-hungry politicians on both sides of the aisle used the aftermath of the attacks as an excuse to start unconstitutional wars, grow the size and scope of the government, and trample on our liberties and the Constitution. The Democrats finally had their opportunity to pass the Patriot Act that Joe Biden had written in 1994, while the neocon wing of the GOP had a rationale to start warmongering abroad. As Rahm Emmanuel infamously said, "never let a crisis go to waste." If the twoofers focused on that instead of their pseudoscientific babble, they'd actually have a point and be taken seriously.

Left-right paradigm rubber stamp.

In reality questions were never answered, they wont be allowed to be answered, top secret event, and massah says questions must be shouted down. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Clipper Nation]

Left-right paradigm rubber stamp.
You might want to read that post again, since I criticized both sides.


In reality questions were never answered, they wont be allowed to be answered, top secret event, and massah says questions must be shouted down. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Questions were already answered by scientists, engineers, eyewitnesses, and other forms of evidence.

Twoofers' theories were already BTFO by Popular Mechanics a decade ago, but people are still parroting this crap in 2015.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

[Clipper Nation]

9/11 Truthers are Idiots

http://mic.com/articles/7677/9-11-truthers-are-idiots

[Parker2112]

Truth is for idiots?

[Parker2112]

Unanswered questions.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222105&highlight=lear

[Clipper Nation]

Truth is for idiots?
Just because you call yourself a "truther" doesn't mean that everything you say is the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

Unanswered questions.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222105&highlight=learAnswered. You just failed to read any answers at all.

Is that really the way you look for truth?

[Nbadan]

CN, spitting flames.

The very fact that CN is against it should give it credibility IMO....

[Nbadan]

But instead of a mind, universal literacy has given him rubber stamps, rubber stamps inked with advertising slogans, with editorials, with published scientific data, with the trivialities of the tabloids and the platitudes of history, but quite innocent of original thought.


True dat.....even NIST never has never released the data they used to back up their findings, even though years later they retracted their original findings when it was proven BS...no peer evaluation is possible....so it's very convenient to call it a 'conspiracy theory' and wish it all away.....then you get idiots like CN....

[Silver&Black]

9/11 Truthers are Idiots

[Nbadan]

Now I'm not saying that thermite or explosives were used to bring down the twin towers...just saying that not all the 911 conspirators may have been identified and considering this is the worst terror attack in the history of our nation...I think it deserves the legal backbone and funding of at least what the Monica Lewingski 'scandal' received....

[Nbadan]

...and one of the co-chairman of the 911 Commission...the author of all that is sacred to the anti-truther crowd..the 911 commission report......agrees with me..not them...

So who is the 'idiot' now?

[Clipper Nation]

Now I'm not saying that thermite or explosives were used to bring down the twin towers...
Good, because you would have to be retarded to believe that crap.

[Chris]

Slander is a product of cognitive dissonance. It's like when people raise their voices when they are losing a debate. Bill O'Reilly comes to mind.

[Clipper Nation]

...and one of the co-chairman of the 911 Commission...the author of all that is sacred to the anti-truther crowd..the 911 commission report......agrees with me..not them...

So who is the 'idiot' now?
The "idiot" would be the one that takes the co-chairman's complaints about funding, deadlines and bureaucracy to be a ringing endorsement of the twoofers' anti-scientific babble.

[Silver&Black]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvYN0oUzVzo

[Nbadan]

The "idiot" would be the one that takes the co-chairman's complaints about funding, deadlines and bureaucracy to be a ringing endorsement of the twoofers' anti-scientific babble.

Deadlines, bureaucracy and funding are just symptoms of the bigger crime since 911...real justice for the victims and families...

anti-scientific :lol Look up peer reviews....

[Cry Havoc]

The very fact that CN is against it should give it credibility IMO....

I separate CN the person from the guy who trolls upstairs. It's a pretty easy disconnect considering the latter nary speaks a sentence without calling someone a fagit, and the former is actually quite astute in his responses.

[spurraider21]

7/11 was a part time job

[Parker2112]

Lying in order to persuade a nation to go to war....that has absolutely never happened before...

[ChumpDumper]

Lying in order to persuade a nation to go to war....that has absolutely never happened before...What do you think really happened on 9/11?

[Clipper Nation]

Lying in order to persuade a nation to go to war....that has absolutely never happened before...

It's happened, but the government has never needed to fake a 9/11-style terrorist attack (which wouldn't even be possible anyway for so many reasons) to do so.

All it took was a memo by the British government to lie our way into Iraq, for example.

[Parker2112]

And there arent trillions of dollars to be made when nations engage in warfare either.

[Parker2112]

http://fair.org/media-beat-column/30-year-anniversary-tonkin-gulf-lie-launched-vietnam-war/

[Parker2112]

It's happened, but the government has never needed to fake a 9/11-style terrorist attack (which wouldn't even be possible anyway for so many reasons) to do so.

All it took was a memo by the British government to lie our way into Iraq, for example. gulf of tonkin, weapons of mass destruction, lusitania, ed bernays propoganda to sell wwi, foreknowledge of pearl harbor...dont google any of those lies that kicked off EVERY major world war tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

http://fair.org/media-beat-column/30-year-anniversary-tonkin-gulf-lie-launched-vietnam-war/

The Gulf of Tonkin cannot even be compared to the magnitude of 9/11.

[Parker2112]

What do you think really happened on 9/11? amateur pilots with no time in airliners scored three direct hits under massive stress, demolished 3 wtc buildings with two planes, and struck the pentagon with impossible precision, brought down three skyscrapers in mind-bogglingly uniform fashion in a manner that will never be seen again, while dick cheney (the devil incarnate) had seized control of our government and inconveniently ordered a stand down.

[Parker2112]

Maybe Bernays would be proud if, thinking for myself, im skeptical.

[Parker2112]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-07-07/opinion/ct-war-obama-history-0707-20140707_1_military-intervention-vietnam-war-world-trade-center

[Nbadan]

amateur pilots with no time in airliners scored three direct hits under massive stress, demolished 3 wtc buildings with two planes, and struck the pentagon with impossible precision, brought down three skyscrapers in mind-bogglingly uniform fashion in a manner that will never be seen again, while dick cheney (the devil incarnate) had seized control of our government and inconveniently ordered a stand down.

Don't forget the fighter planes that were diverted into the ocean..which could have prevented the pentagon attack and the plane that eventually crashed in Shanksville....yeah, Bin Laden did that from a cave in Afghanistan...

[Nbadan]

amateur pilots with no time in airliners scored three direct hits under massive stress

That's the most laughable part of the official story...two of these pilots were so bad that they couldn't even fly a single plane..got thrown out of flight school in Florida..but yet here they are on 911 flying multi-engine planes...making impossible turns at impossible speeds...turning off transponders....

[Clipper Nation]

amateur pilots with no time in airliners scored three direct hits under massive stress, demolished 3 wtc buildings with two planes, and struck the pentagon with impossible precision, brought down three skyscrapers in mind-bogglingly uniform fashion in a manner that will never be seen again, while dick cheney (the devil incarnate) had seized control of our government and inconveniently ordered a stand down.
Nah, let's go with the Twoofer story. The government spent months painstakingly cutting into beams and rigging bombs on every floor of buildings that had already been the target of an attempted bombing by terrorists in 1994, and nobody noticed or did anything to stop it. Magically, this controlled demolition caused the buildings to collapse from the top down instead of from the bottom up like all other controlled demolitions in history. Additionally, the government somehow also stopped the explosions from registering on a seismograph. Meanwhile at the Pentagon, crews of government employees managed to plant fake plane debris all over the site, again without anyone noticing. And in all the years since, not a single person has blown the whistle. Nobody's leaked any of the details to Snowden or WikiLeaks. Somehow, the thousands of people that such a conspiracy would require have all stayed silent. And all this was pulled off by the same idiots in charge of the DMV and the VA system.

You do realize how ridiculous the Twoofers' narrative is, right? It literally makes no sense if you spend longer than two seconds thinking about it.

[Jacob1983]

What's the deal with the "Twoofer" jab? Is calling someone a truther a "twoofer" trendy now?

[Chris]

What's the deal with the "Twoofer" jab? Is calling someone a truther a "twoofer" trendy now?

It's another cute word for conspiracy theorist. A form of mudslinging, basically anything to discredit the person or diminish his/her character. Re:Politician

[ChumpDumper]

amateur pilots with no time in airliners scored three direct hits under massive stress, demolished 3 wtc buildings with two planes, and struck the pentagon with impossible precision, brought down three skyscrapers in mind-bogglingly uniform fashion in a manner that will never be seen again, while dick cheney (the devil incarnate) had seized control of our government and inconveniently ordered a stand down.But what do you think really happened?

Snarky sarcasm isn't a theory.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't forget the fighter planes that were diverted into the ocean..which could have prevented the pentagon attack and the plane that eventually crashed in Shanksville....yeah, Bin Laden did that from a cave in Afghanistan...Diverted by whom? Explain your theory.


That's the most laughable part of the official story...two of these pilots were so bad that they couldn't even fly a single plane..got thrown out of flight school in Florida..but yet here they are on 911 flying multi-engine planes...making impossible turns at impossible speeds...turning off transponders....How difficult is it to fly a plane badly and crash it, dan? Show proof it would be impossible. For every John Lear hologram post I can find pilots who say everything the hijackers did is definitely possible.

Is your theory that these were expert pilots hired to kill themselves?

Use your words, dan. Tell the world what you think. This is your legacy, remember?

[ChumpDumper]

This is the part where truthers refuse to engage in any actual discussion.

[Clipper Nation]

What's the deal with the "Twoofer" jab? Is calling someone a truther a "twoofer" trendy now?


It's another cute word for conspiracy theorist. A form of mudslinging, basically anything to discredit the person or diminish his/her character. Re:Politician

I see you guys have no response to how idiotic the conspiracy theory actually is.

[Parker2112]

Rogue criminal actors in our government (not the gubment, as some here say) with sufficient authority to cover their actions, both before, during, and after, staged a mass terror event. They made billions through the defense spending that followed. They secured access to natural resources in the middle east that could be exploited by private firms which they have major ownership interests in. The destruction of wtc7 covered up illegal activity in the pentagon, to the tune of 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS in unaccounted for tax monies which rumsfeld could not account for before congress.

So possible billions embezzled, trillions made after the fact, and as shady as rumsfeld and cheney are, as long as they had been key players in washington, the pentagon, and in the neocon movement (since the 70s), and as compartmentalized as the government runs, I say they have motive and means sufficient that they will always be suspects.

The neocon movement had been plotting to take over the resources in the middle east since the opec crisis. This was their grand opus.

[ChumpDumper]

It's another cute word for conspiracy theorist. A form of mudslinging, basically anything to discredit the person or diminish his/her character. Re:PoliticianYou know, I really can't call most of you conspiracy theorist because most of you have no theory at all.

Correct me if I'm wrong -- post your theory here.

[ChumpDumper]

Rogue criminal actors in our government (not the gubment, as some here say) with sufficient authority to cover their actions, both before, during, and after, staged a mass terror event. They made billions through the defense spending that followed. They secured access to natural resources in the middle east that could be exploited by private firms which they have major ownership interests in. The destruction of wtc7 covered up illegal activity in the pentagon, to the tune of 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS in unaccounted for tax monies which rumsfeld could not account for before congress.

So possible billions embezzled, trillions made after the fact, and as shady as rumsfeld and cheney are, as long as they had been key players in washington, the pentagon, and in the neocon movement (since the 70s), and as compartmentalized as the government runs, I say they have motive and means sufficient that they will always be suspects.

The neocon movement had been plotting to take over the resources in the middle east since the opec crisis. This was their grand opus.OK, so how did they actually do it?

[Parker2112]

And in their mind the sacrifice of thousands was "in the public interest," because it would secure American supremacy over global resources for decades to come. So under Bernays method of thinking, it was worth it.

[Parker2112]

They concealed their actions, just like they did with Kennedy, so all we can do is guess. No one will know except the actors. None of us will ever know. To engage in discussion without a TRUE investigation is fruitless and only serves their end, which is confusion and ultimately concealment.

[Parker2112]

What I CAN say is that there WAS construction at wtc prior to 9/1, there WAS a stand down, the site debris WAS swept out of view immediately, the WAS traces of demolition powder at the scene, the stooges WERE incapable of flying with such accuracy at such a success rate, the neocons GOT what they wanted, and we NEVER inquired about the 2.3 trillion in missing monies again.

[Parker2112]

And Chump has been acting with a rubber stamp, devoid of original thought, and has helped to pitilessly destroy any questions about the event for at least the last ten years.

[Parker2112]

In his mind, because I cant state how it was done with enough certainty, I am not allowed to question the event without ridicule.

[ChumpDumper]

And Chump has been acting with a rubber stamp, devoid of original thought, and has helped to pitilessly destroy any questions about the event for at least the last ten years.I'm asking you how you think they did it.

You have an opportunity to convince everyone here. Take it.

[ChumpDumper]

In his mind, because I cant state how it was done with enough certainty, I am not allowed to question the event without ridicule.It's been 14 years. That's more than enough time to develop a working theory.

[Will Hunting]

It's happened, but the government has never needed to fake a 9/11-style terrorist attack (which wouldn't even be possible anyway for so many reasons) to do so.

All it took was a memo by the British government to lie our way into Iraq, for example.

:lol exactly. The truther movement is a narcissistic wet dream that people believe in order to convince themselves that the general public is well informed, intelligent, and can only be manipulated by an elaborate false flag attack. The people who allegedly staged 9/11 were less than a year removed from convincing America that an oil prince who's daddeh bought him an MLB team was actually a blue collar rancher who'd be a great president because he was in touch with the problems of middle class America.

The funniest part is that, regardless of what 9/11 did to American opinion, when was the last time the president actually needed Americans to favorably view a war in order to start one or keep one going? The idea that the president, or congress for that matter, actually give a shit about how much Americans want/don't want to go to war is one of the funniest parts of the truther movement.

[Big Dog]

Post on your main DOK :cry

[Will Hunting]

Post on your main DOK :cry

What's up BD?

[Clipper Nation]

Rogue criminal actors in our government (not the gubment, as some here say) with sufficient authority to cover their actions, both before, during, and after, staged a mass terror event.
So let's say you're right.

How do you think the government managed to cut into all those beams and rig up all those bombs for months on end without a single person noticing? There is no way you can cover that up.

How did they manage to pull off the first and only controlled demolition in history where the building collapsed from the top down?

How did they stop the explosions from registering on a seismograph?


The destruction of wtc7 covered up illegal activity in the pentagon, to the tune of 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS in unaccounted for tax monies which rumsfeld could not account for before congress.
The Pentagon actually lost $8.5 trillion from 1996-2013. They're notoriously bad at accounting. By Twoofer "logic," there would have been a 9/11 every year just in time for their annual audit.

[Parker2112]

Chump has always misapplied the burden. The burden is placed on the prosecution and it is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Well Chump, I have reasonable doubts, and cannot be satisfied that all the actors were cave dwellers. It is on YOU to dispell my reasonable doubts. And you have not done so. So no conviction. So, as I said...we DONT KNOW THE TRUTH. The culprits are on the loose.

And thus, your rubber stamp is useless.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump has always misapplied the burden. The burden is placed on the prosecution and it is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Well Chump, I have reasonable doubts, and cannot be satisfied that all the actors were cave dwellers. It is on YOU to dispell my reasonable doubts. And you have not done so. So no conviction. So, as I said...we DONT KNOW THE TRUTH. The culprits are on the loose.

And thus, your rubber stamp is useless.What are your doubts?

And yes, you do have a burden as you have made a claim. If you can't back it up with facts, it's a pretty crappy claim.

All you are doing right now is making speeches. If you aren't interested in ever discussing this, just say so and save everyone a lot of time.

[Clipper Nation]

Chump has always misapplied the burden. The burden is placed on the prosecution and it is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Well Chump, I have reasonable doubts, and cannot be satisfied that all the actors were cave dwellers. It is on YOU to dispell my reasonable doubts. And you have not done so. So no conviction. So, as I said...we DONT KNOW THE TRUTH. The culprits are on the loose.

And thus, your rubber stamp is useless.
You are the one claiming it's a false flag. The burden of proof is on you.

All you're doing is spamming psychotic rants about "rubber stamps" and Edward Bernays.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol exactly. The truther movement is a narcissistic wet dream that people believe in order to convince themselves that the general public is well informed, intelligent, and can only be manipulated by an elaborate false flag attack. The people who allegedly staged 9/11 were less than a year removed from convincing America that an oil prince who's daddeh bought him an MLB team was actually a blue collar rancher who'd be a great president because he was in touch with the problems of middle class America.

The funniest part is that, regardless of what 9/11 did to American opinion, when was the last time the president actually needed Americans to favorably view a war in order to start one or keep one going? The idea that the president, or congress for that matter, actually give a shit about how much Americans want/don't want to go to war is one of the funniest parts of the truther movement.

:cry But, but, Alex Jones really is the reanimated corpse of Bill Hicks! Something something rubber stamps Edward Bernays, ummmm, propaganda? WAKE UP SHEEPLE! :cry

[Parker2112]

What are your doubts?

And yes, you do have a burden as you have made a claim. If you can't back it up with facts, it's a pretty crappy claim.

All you are doing right now is making speeches. If you aren't interested in ever discussing this, just say so and save everyone a lot of time.

Your rubber stamp says "case closed." But thats incorrect. Its still plagued with reasonable doubt. I stated mine already. Neocons had means and motive, and acted guilty after the fact. Case closed is your claim. But in this discussion, you have yet to prosecute to verdict.

And your rubber stamp, inked with everything Bernays spoke of, is exposed and impotent.

[ChumpDumper]

Your rubber stamp says "case closed." But thats incorrect. Its still plagued with reasonable doubt. I stated mine already. Neocons had means and motive, and acted guilty after the fact. Case closed is your claim. But in this discussion, you have yet to prosecute to verdict.

And your rubber stamp, inked with everything Bernays spoke of, is exposed and impotent.You're speechifying again.

List your doubts here. If you listed them before they got lost in the speeches. I'm talking about explaining what really happened -- not what you suspect to be motivations.

Make them very clear and we can discuss them. We have yet to discuss anything.

Don't just keep stonewalling with your new slogans.

[Will Hunting]

So let's say you're right.

How do you think the government managed to cut into all those beams and rig up all those bombs for months on end without a single person noticing? There is no way you can cover that up.

How did they manage to pull off the first and only controlled demolition in history where the building collapsed from the top down?

How did they stop the explosions from registering on a seismograph?


The Pentagon actually lost $8.5 trillion from 1996-2013. They're notoriously bad at accounting. By Twoofer "logic," there would have been a 9/11 every year just in time for their annual audit.

:lol I like how truthers talk about the controlled demolition of two 100+ story buildings like it's a quick and easy exercise that only requires a few days for all of the necessary explosives to be planted. Any credible engineer would tell you that even if you had people working around the clock it would take six months at a minimum for all explosives to be planted.

This also brings up the point of how the gubbamint was able to include so many construction workers in a staged attack without any leaks :lol

[Will Hunting]

Can someone also explain why it was necessary to stage a demolition after the planes already hit? Anyone on a floor above where the planes hit died almost instantaneously, which would have made it a horrific attack even without any controlled demolition. Is the truther angle that it wouldn't have been a bad enough attack for Americans to support a war unless the buildings completely fell?

[ChumpDumper]

Can someone also explain why it was necessary to stage a demolition after the planes already hit? Anyone on a floor above where the planes hit died almost instantaneously, which would have made it a horrific attack even without any controlled demolition. Is the truther angle that it wouldn't have been a bad enough attack for Americans to support a war unless the buildings completely fell?Usually, that's when it suddenly expands into a Jewish insurance scam.

[Silver&Black]

:lol I like how truthers talk about the controlled demolition of two 100+ story buildings like it's a quick and easy exercise that only requires a few days for all of the necessary explosives to be planted. Any credible engineer would tell you that even if you had people working around the clock it would take six months at a minimum for all explosives to be planted.

This also brings up the point of how the gubbamint was able to include so many construction workers in a staged attack without any leaks :lol

That's always my favorite part of the 9/11 argument. Some of these truthers make it seem like something that complex could be pulled off in days.

To plant that many explosives needed to cut critical load-bearing steel beams and concrete pillars....I would guess the number would be in tens of thousands of charges. I think the 6 months you mentioned is the best case scenario. It would take a team of a hundred construction workers sneaking explosives into the Twin Towers everyday for 6 months....without anyone getting caught. Yeah, sure.

[Clipper Nation]

Usually, that's when it suddenly expands into a Jewish insurance scam.
Which is also hilarious, because from my understanding, the insurance payout was nothing compared to the cost of building the Towers.

"But, but, why would he get terrorism insurance at all before 9/11?" the Twoofers ask. Well, the WTC had already been bombed a few years before 9/11, so Silverstein thought it'd probably be a good idea to get insured in case it ever happened again.

[Will Hunting]

That's always my favorite part of the 9/11 argument. Some of these truthers make it seem like something that complex could be pulled off in days.

To plant that many explosives needed to cut critical load-bearing steel beams and concrete pillars....I would guess the number would be in tens of thousands of charges. I think the 6 months you mentioned is the best case scenario. It would take a team of a hundred construction workers sneaking explosives into the Twin Towers everyday for 6 months....without anyone getting caught. Yeah, sure.
Yeah the engineer interviews I've seen said that doing it in six months would have been possible but only as a best case scenario if there was a crew working at full capacity around the clock with nothing getting delayed or going wrong. This means there would have needed to be at least 300 construction workers, or 100 per shift. That's 300 construction workers, plus however many demolitions experts, engineers, architects, etc. that job would require, and they would all need to be "in on it" so they keep their mouth shut.

[Parker2112]

Actually, the main point of my posts is that when you waive scientific studies as the basis for your reasoning, you resort to inking a rubber stamp. And I wanted to emphasize the fail tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Actually, the main point of my posts is that when you waive scientific studies as the basis for your reasoning, you resort to inking a rubber stamp. And I wanted to emphasize the fail tbh.

:cry Muh rubber stamps :cry

[Will Hunting]

Which is also hilarious, because from my understanding, the insurance payout was nothing compared to the cost of building the Towers.

"But, but, why would he get terrorism insurance at all before 9/11?" the Twoofers ask. Well, the WTC had already been bombed a few years before 9/11, so Silverstein thought it'd probably be a good idea to get insured in case it ever happened again.

My understanding is that the insurance program covering the buildings had a $3.5B per occurrence limit which would have been sufficient except most of the insurance carriers successfully argued in court that even though it was two separate planes, it was one singular terrorist attack and thus one occurrence.

The attack also occurred a day or two after the insurance policies were renewed, meaning the full policies had not been finalized yet and there was only an insurance binder on the buildings which is a lot less enforceable than a full policy.

In essence, if the intent was insurance fraud, it was horribly executed :lol

[Clipper Nation]

My understanding is that the insurance program covering the buildings had a $3.5B per occurrence limit which would have been sufficient except most of the insurance carriers successfully argued in court that even though it was two separate planes, it was one singular terrorist attack and thus one occurrence.

The attack also occurred a day or two after the insurance policies were renewed, meaning the full policies had not been finalized yet and there was only an insurance binder on the buildings which is a lot less enforceable than a full policy.

In essence, if the intent was insurance fraud, it was horribly executed :lol
:cry You're just saying that because Bernays rubber-stamped it on your brain, sheeple! :cry

[ChumpDumper]

Which is also hilarious, because from my understanding, the insurance payout was nothing compared to the cost of building the Towers.

"But, but, why would he get terrorism insurance at all before 9/11?" the Twoofers ask. Well, the WTC had already been bombed a few years before 9/11, so Silverstein thought it'd probably be a good idea to get insured in case it ever happened again.not to mention he had to pay rent on the site for the entire time there were no tenants in the buildings and no buildings.


Actually, the main point of my posts is that when you waive scientific studies as the basis for your reasoning, you resort to inking a rubber stamp. And I wanted to emphasize the fail tbh.We read your repeated speech.

Are you ready to move on to actual discussion of your doubts regarding the generally accepted version of events?

I am.

[Silver&Black]

Yeah the engineer interviews I've seen said that doing it in six months would have been possible but only as a best case scenario if there was a crew working at full capacity around the clock with nothing getting delayed or going wrong. This means there would have needed to be at least 300 construction workers, or 100 per shift. That's 300 construction workers, plus however many demolitions experts, engineers, architects, etc. that job would require, and they would all need to be "in on it" so they keep their mouth shut.

You should read the "no demolition cord being found in the rubble" conspiracies. They're fucking hilarious. Many demolition experts say that miles and miles and miles of detcord would have to be used...and would have survived the collapse. Videos of other controlled demolitions show people pulling all of that cord out of the rubble for environmental reasons. That stuff can't be disposed of in the same fashion as the other rubble....so they must manually go in and remove it by hand.

:cry But But But they remote detonated 10,000+ explosive charges at the same time :cry
:cry But But But demolition cord looks like ordinary wiring to the untrained eye :cry

[Parker2112]

Im ready to admit that the number of unanswered questions...questions that neither of us can answer in our lifetimes...is itself a tragedy. And its by design.

[Clipper Nation]

Im ready to admit that the number of unanswered questions...questions that neither of us can answer in our lifetimes...is itself a tragedy. And its by design.
All of the "questions" have already been answered by science, evidence, and common fucking sense.

What's tragic is that political correctness and SJW-ism are at such an all-time high that people will believe the most preposterous theories as long as they can blame Republicans instead of Muslim terrorists for 9/11.

[ChumpDumper]

Im ready to admit that the number of unanswered questions...questions that neither of us can answer in our lifetimes...is itself a tragedy. And its by design.Are you ready to move on to actual discussion of your doubts regarding the generally accepted version of events?

I am.

[Parker2112]

Are you ready to move on to actual discussion of your doubts regarding the generally accepted version of events?

I am.

Explain the holes in Lear's affidavit. Not an attack on his character. But explain how the pilots defeat the obstacles that he laid out. The maneuvers. The speed limitations. The cockpit conditions.

Ill wait.

[ChumpDumper]

Explain the holes in Lear's affidavit. Not an attack on his character. But explain how the pilots defeat the obstacles that he laid out. The maneuvers. The speed limitations. The cockpit conditions.

Ill wait.I posted pilot Ryan Mackey's rebuttal years ago in the thread you linked.

Did you not read it?

I've been waiting for you to read it for years.

Here it is again. Please read it this time.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222105&p=6834586&viewfull=1#post6834586

[Parker2112]

Im sure I did. Im sure I responded. Ill check into this.

[Parker2112]

Thanks for your patience over these last few years. :bobo

[ChumpDumper]

You actually didn't read it or the other document i posted in the thread. You proved that several times over in that "discussion."

[Parker2112]

Well, in that case youve been a real trooper. :bobo

[Parker2112]

Ok so the doc you posted in the thread dealt with one of the three. What about the buzzers, the controls, the lack of room for error? Feel free to use your own words.

[Parker2112]

I stick with my original response...that was a single point addressed by Lear. The rest was character assassination by rubber stamp.

[Silver&Black]

Lear

Is Lear the guy who is mentioning that the planes were "holograms"?

[Parker2112]

He was the guy who had inside knowledge of CIA operations, after flying for them for decades.

[Silver&Black]

He was the guy who had inside knowledge of CIA operations, after flying for them for decades.

:lol Holograms hit the World Trade Center

Really? Really???

[Will Hunting]

Truthers also have a weird definition of "inside knowledge" and "credible sources" :lol

I remember seeing one of their documentaries where some random fat lady was being filmed as the 2nd plane hit. Her reaction was, "Did you see that plane! That was a military plane! That wasn't American Airlines!" They then replay her "That wasn't American Airlines!" quote 10 times, as if some random fat bitch claiming the plane she saw traveling at several hundred miles an hour wasn't an American Airlines flight was somehow conclusive evidence that it was an inside job.

[Clipper Nation]

Truthers also have a weird definition of "inside knowledge" and "credible sources" :lol

I remember seeing one of their documentaries where some random fat lady was being filmed as the 2nd plane hit. Her reaction was, "Did you see that plane! That was a military plane! That wasn't American Airlines!" They then replay her "That wasn't American Airlines!" quote 10 times, as if some random fat bitch claiming the plane she saw traveling at several hundred miles an hour wasn't an American Airlines flight was somehow conclusive evidence that it was an inside job.
It's funny how they'll take some random hamplanet at face value, but ignore the hundreds of eyewitnesses who all described a plane - not a missile - hitting the Pentagon.

[Will Hunting]

It's funny how they'll take some random hamplanet at face value, but ignore the hundreds of eyewitnesses who all described a plane - not a missile - hitting the Pentagon.

:lol then they'll keep repeating "No one saw a plane hit the pentagon!" over and over again as if no one seeing a plane hit the pentagon is an accepted fact that's not disputed at all.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok so the doc you posted in the thread dealt with one of the three. What about the buzzers, the controls, the lack of room for error? Feel free to use your own words.It's simply a matter of opinion.

Lear says a buzzer would pretty much incapacitate pilots.

I and many others disagree. Here are some of the alarm sounds on a 757:

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I find it hard to believe that an alarm designed to get a pilot to act would somehow prevent a pilot from acting at all or interfere with any pilot actions. That doesn't make sense on its face.

The pilots were familiar enough with the controls to do things like turn off autopilot and transponder. With many hours in simulators why wouldn't they be familiar with the controls?

Lack of room for error? There was room for error. The pilot of UA175 almost missed the south tower altogether after almost hitting two planes midflight, so it was far from a perfect operation. He flew like one would expect a bad pilot to fly.

What is the alternative to pilots flying airliners into the building?. Hundreds if not thousands of pilots have gone on record saying that scenario was possible.

Is there another theory that explains everything that happened and is actually possible?

Lear's theory was holograms. I personally do not thing that theory is possible today, let alone in 2001.

What else could have possibly happened?

[ChumpDumper]

And really, if this is the only thing you've read that supports the generally accepted course of events in those planes in fourteen years, you just aren't that interested in finding the truth. In that case, your doubts and concerns can be pretty easily dismissed as those of one who simply doesn't know enough about what happened to be taken seriously.