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Nbadan
09-15-2005, 03:36 PM
Berlin, Sept. 13, (BNA) US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, and US senior officials have not informed Russia on their new plans about the use of nuclear weapons, Russian Defence Minister, Sergey Ivanov, said on Tuesday, adding that he had heard of this intention from international media.

Ivanov said in a statement in Berlin today that Russia would reconsider a large number of Military planning documents if any thing new occurred on nuclear weapons usage.

Some media has pointed out to the fact that the US has been planning to conduct nuclear attacks on some bases, suspected of being used by Al Qaeda to make weapons of mass destruction. The Russian Minister described the new move as " very dangerous step that won't halt the nuclear race rather than accelerating it"

Link (http://english.bna.bh/?ID=35703)

Hummm...I wonder who the * adminstration could be targeting?

The fact that the US Delegation at the UN left the room when the President of Iran spoke yesterday is not trivial.

And, while everyone is having fun with the 'potty note', the scale of arrogance displayed by Bush, Condi and Bolton yesterday is unrivaled by any performance of any American delegation in the history of the UN.

nkdlunch
09-15-2005, 03:42 PM
And, while everyone is having fun with the 'potty note', the scale of arrogance displayed by Bush, Condi and Bolton yesterday is unrivaled by any performance of any American delegation in the history of the UN.

why do u say that? what did they do?

Hook Dem
09-15-2005, 03:56 PM
More bullshit from Dan! Surprised?

Nbadan
09-15-2005, 04:05 PM
Yeah, combine the U.S. delegation walking out on a speech by a Foreign Leader and the propaganda film the DoD passed out to UN Delegates, nothing to see here folks - move along!

Vashner
09-15-2005, 04:09 PM
Of course we are gonna use them again.. it's just a matter of time..

If all Al Queda was in 1 big city it would of been a smoking hole by now...

Your gonna see the nuke bunker busters dropped on Iran soon. I would say maybe this winter or next year.

The plants are what's going to be hit. 1-3 bunkers each place.. followed by some 2000 lber JDAM's to kinda rubble things up.

Here is a B2 dropping a B61-11 bunker buster test bomb..
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/980417a.jpg

boutons
09-15-2005, 06:22 PM
Dr. Strangelove Rides Again!!

yee hawww, y'all

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washingtonpost.com

Pentagon Revises Nuclear Strike Plan

Strategy Includes Preemptive Use Against Banned Weapons

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, September 11, 2005; A01

The Pentagon has drafted a revised doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons that envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to use them to preempt an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction. The draft also includes the option of using nuclear arms to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

The document, written by the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs staff but not yet finally approved by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, would update rules and procedures governing use of nuclear weapons to reflect a preemption strategy first announced by the Bush White House in December 2002. The strategy was outlined in more detail at the time in classified national security directives.

At a White House briefing that year, a spokesman said the United States would "respond with overwhelming force" to the use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States, its forces or allies, and said "all options" would be available to the president.

The draft, dated March 15, would provide authoritative guidance for commanders to request presidential approval for using nuclear weapons, and represents the Pentagon's first attempt to revise procedures to reflect the Bush preemption doctrine. A previous version, completed in 1995 during the Clinton administration, contains no mention of using nuclear weapons preemptively or specifically against threats from weapons of mass destruction.

Titled "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and written under the direction of Air Force Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the draft document is unclassified and available on a Pentagon Web site. It is expected to be signed within a few weeks by Air Force Lt. Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, director of the Joint Staff, according to Navy Cmdr. Dawn Cutler, a public affairs officer in Myers's office. Meanwhile, the draft is going through final coordination with the military services, the combatant commanders, Pentagon legal authorities and Rumsfeld's office, Cutler said in a written statement.

A "summary of changes" included in the draft identifies differences from the 1995 doctrine, and says the new document "revises the discussion of nuclear weapons use across the range of military operations."

The first example for potential nuclear weapon use listed in the draft is against an enemy that is using "or intending to use WMD" against U.S. or allied, multinational military forces or civilian populations.

Another scenario for a possible nuclear preemptive strike is in case of an "imminent attack from adversary biological weapons that only effects from nuclear weapons can safely destroy."

That and other provisions in the document appear to refer to nuclear initiatives proposed by the administration that Congress has thus far declined to fully support.

Last year, for example, Congress refused to fund research toward development of nuclear weapons that could destroy biological or chemical weapons materials without dispersing them into the atmosphere.

The draft document also envisions the use of atomic weapons for "attacks on adversary installations including WMD, deep, hardened bunkers containing chemical or biological weapons."

But Congress last year halted funding of a study to determine the viability of the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator warhead (RNEP) -- commonly called the bunker buster -- that the Pentagon has said is needed to attack hardened, deeply buried weapons sites.

The Joint Staff draft doctrine explains that despite the end of the Cold War, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction "raises the danger of nuclear weapons use." It says that there are "about thirty nations with WMD programs" along with "nonstate actors [terrorists] either independently or as sponsored by an adversarial state."

To meet that situation, the document says that "responsible security planning requires preparation for threats that are possible, though perhaps unlikely today."

To deter the use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States, the Pentagon paper says preparations must be made to use nuclear weapons and show determination to use them "if necessary to prevent or retaliate against WMD use."

The draft says that to deter a potential adversary from using such weapons, that adversary's leadership must "believe the United States has both the ability and will to pre-empt or retaliate promptly with responses that are credible and effective." The draft also notes that U.S. policy in the past has "repeatedly rejected calls for adoption of 'no first use' policy of nuclear weapons since this policy could undermine deterrence."

Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.), a member of the House Armed Services Committee who has been a leading opponent of the bunker-buster program, said yesterday the draft was "apparently a follow-through on their nuclear posture review and they seem to bypass the idea that Congress had doubts about the program." She added that members "certainly don't want the administration to move forward with a [nuclear] preemption policy" without hearings, closed door if necessary.

A spokesman for Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said yesterday the panel has not yet received a copy of the draft.

Hans M. Kristensen, a consultant to the Natural Resources Defense Council, who discovered the document on the Pentagon Web site, said yesterday that it "emphasizes the need for a robust nuclear arsenal ready to strike on short notice including new missions."

Kristensen, who has specialized for more than a decade in nuclear weapons research, said a final version of the doctrine was due in August but has not yet appeared.

"This doctrine does not deliver on the Bush administration pledge of a reduced role for nuclear weapons," Kristensen said. "It provides justification for contentious concepts not proven and implies the need for RNEP."

One reason for the delay may be concern about raising publicly the possibility of preemptive use of nuclear weapons, or concern that it might interfere with attempts to persuade Congress to finance the bunker buster and other specialized nuclear weapons.

In April, Rumsfeld appeared before the Senate Armed Services panel and asked for the bunker buster study to be funded. He said the money was for research and not to begin production on any particular warhead. "The only thing we have is very large, very dirty, big nuclear weapons," Rumsfeld said. "It seems to me studying it [the RNEP] makes all the sense in the world."

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

Vashner
09-15-2005, 06:25 PM
We are way beyond the study.. we have the new bunker busters ready to go...(assumption)

All that public stuff is just smoke and mirrors.. you don't really think they are gonna tell everyone all the good stuff...

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-15-2005, 10:09 PM
Hummm...I wonder who the * adminstration could be targeting?

The fact that the US Delegation at the UN left the room when the President of Iran spoke yesterday is not trivial.

And, while everyone is having fun with the 'potty note', the scale of arrogance displayed by Bush, Condi and Bolton yesterday is unrivaled by any performance of any American delegation in the history of the UN.

Calm down Beavis. Shit, we've got plans to nuke Canada and Mexico, doesn't mean ol' Vicente needs to start building a bunker.