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djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 06:15 PM
Jindal is running? :lol

hater
09-16-2015, 06:25 PM
U losers seriously watching this shit? :lol

Must have nothing better to do :lmao

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 06:26 PM
Watching for the Lulz.

clambake
09-16-2015, 06:56 PM
when is it NOT a guy picking on a girl?








when the guy is lindsey graham.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 07:23 PM
Fucking trump is a dick.:lol

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 07:34 PM
Trump owning Jeb :lmao

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 07:38 PM
Trump is killing the field. They all look like they're desperately trying to take a shot at the king and he just keeps shaking them off.

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 07:40 PM
:lol Ted Cruz shilling for AIPAC and fear mongering about Iran per par

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 07:46 PM
:lmao they're all tripping over each other's dick to toss israels salad

Spurminator
09-16-2015, 07:46 PM
Huckabee: The Iran deal will destroy Western Civilization

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 07:49 PM
Rubio mad as fuck :lol

Spurminator
09-16-2015, 08:00 PM
Um, Chris... This is a Primary debate. You are competing with each other.

DMX7
09-16-2015, 08:02 PM
Carly Fiorina is just awful.

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:03 PM
:lmao they're all tripping over each other's dick to toss israels salad
In Fionas case, vag yes. My goodness.
And her dramatical bullshit about planned p. :rolleyes
Now BUllSHit is getting in on it. :lol

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 08:06 PM
:lmao Jeb

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 08:06 PM
:lmao Jeb bush gets his teeth kicked in whenever he tries to go at trump

DMX7
09-16-2015, 08:08 PM
That Carly-Trump sequence was awkward.

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 08:09 PM
That Carly-Trump sequence was awkward.

:lol yeah

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:09 PM
Donnys damage control on calling Fionas face hideous fell flat.
Or do the Trump clones even care? :lol

Talk about a loaded question by the moderator.
Is this Faux etc trying to bring Donny down?

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 08:11 PM
This couldn't be any better for trump. Whenever an issue like abortion or gay marriage that he's weak with primary voters on, he doesn't have to say anything because they're all busy pissing on themselves.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:11 PM
Trump is an idiot though.

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:12 PM
"How are you going to deport millions Donny and how much would it cost?"

Blah blah blah blah avoidance answer.
Fark he didn't even answer it!

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:14 PM
I always fall asleep whenever Benson, I mean Carson speaks.

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:15 PM
Carson gives no answer HOW to stop illegal im too.
:lmao worthless politicians.

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:15 PM
The moderator is horrible. He's just basically trying to get everyone to attack each other.

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:16 PM
The moderator is horrible. He's just basically trying to get everyone to attack each other.
big time.
The loaded questions are so obvious.

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:16 PM
This debate is terrible. Nothing of substance.

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:17 PM
big time.
The loaded questions are so obvious.

Yeah he sucks. I would avoid further CNN if I were any candidates. These guys are worse than the FNC crew who were awful.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:18 PM
This is why I remain politically neutral. Al politicians are idiots.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:19 PM
Always gotta kiss Reagan's ass. :lol

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:20 PM
Rubio's a douche.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:20 PM
I just turned this on a couple of minutes ago, but Jeb is kicking Donald's ass so far in what I'm seeing.

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:21 PM
Carson speaks again zzzzzzzzzz

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:21 PM
Too much money in illegal immigration. Blame the people who hire them.

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 08:22 PM
I just turned this on a couple of minutes ago, but Jeb is kicking Donald's ass so far in what I'm seeing.

He's still a bit hesitant. He really needs to just it loose.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:22 PM
Bitching at the "mainstream media". Like Clear Channel isn't mainstream media. :lol

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:22 PM
:lol Cruz: "I'm going to be your VP, right Donny?"

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:23 PM
:cry Triple the border patrol, build a fence, build a wall :cry

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:26 PM
The moderator looks like the actor on SNL who played Mitt Romney.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0blXo6M0d-uSqzdSW-rRuIU0TLPbTSVyxfSS5D0Q9FwIvlILuFQ

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:26 PM
Gotta agree 100% with Trump on anchor babies. Well, not on the part about being able to overturn it in the Supreme Court as opposed to an amendment.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:27 PM
Why doesn't the US force all US businesses to move their factories to Mexico? Oh yeah, they're making too much money exploiting poor Asians.

Geezerballer
09-16-2015, 08:28 PM
:cry Triple the border patrol, build a fence, build a wall :cry

Or we could just stop "baiting" them with free shit & start fining business who hire them enough to make them stop.

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:28 PM
Fiona: Blah blah blah Democrats.....still does not give a SOLUTION to illegal im

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:29 PM
This border wall crap is stupid. If you want to kill illegal immigration, make it a crime to hire wetbacks.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:30 PM
This border wall crap is stupid. If you want to kill illegal immigration, make it a crime to hire wetbacks.

A shitload of businesses would go under tbh.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:31 PM
CROFL asking that cunt about her disastrous tenure at HP. What a fuck up.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:32 PM
Trump going balls deep in Fiorina's ass for Compaq. :lmao

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:33 PM
:lmao Trump's four bankruptcies

This debate is fucking amazing

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:34 PM
Donny really gonna spin his Atlantic City bankruptcies?.....

Fail.

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 08:35 PM
:lmao Trump's four bankruptcies

This debate is fucking amazing

:lmao she actually had a good moment there

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:38 PM
:lol taxing consumption is what's going to get people to start spending more

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 08:39 PM
This is why I remain politically neutral. Al politicians are idiots.
This.
They all seem pathetic and do not move the sincerity meter one iota.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 08:41 PM
CROFL Carson. What made America a great nation was that Europe and Asia were in fucking ruins and the other superpower was a bunch of retard Commies.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:46 PM
The US needs a fuckin dictator Tbh.:lol

hater
09-16-2015, 08:47 PM
Putin is 10x the leaders any of these clown are tbh.

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 08:48 PM
644326240707436544

:lol

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 08:48 PM
I was told they mentioned Poland? Missile shield as always I assume :downspin:

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:50 PM
644326240707436544

:lol

:lol

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 08:53 PM
CROFL Carson. What made America a great nation was that Europe and Asia were in fucking ruins and the other superpower was a bunch of retard Commies.
Trump killed him on that.

:lmao uncle ruckus calling progressive taxes "socialism"

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 08:54 PM
:lol spicko Rubio clinging to neoconservative fear mongering circa 2004

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:55 PM
The fuck is up with all the Jew dick sucking?

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 08:55 PM
The fuck is up with all the Jew dick sucking?
Ya, as a White European it makes me uncomfortable

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 08:56 PM
The fuck is up with all the Jew dick sucking?
They're competing for det AIPAC/adelson money.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 08:57 PM
Rubio is the only nigga that know what the duck he's talking about Tbh.

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 08:58 PM
Rubio is the only nigga that know what the duck he's talking about Tbh.
Huh? Rubio is doing more Jew dick sucking than any other candidate.

Warlord23
09-16-2015, 08:58 PM
Trump crafting policy positions with some combination of "we'll be awesome", "we'll make super deals", "we'll do great things" :lol

The one good thing about Trump is he's not making up BS about baby parts, a "decimated" military, the end of Western civilization etc

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:01 PM
Huh? Rubio is doing more Jew dick sucking than any other candidate.

Sure, but he knows his shit. They're all idiots imo though.

Warlord23
09-16-2015, 09:02 PM
"My brother kept us safe" :lmao ... the man who let the single most destructive terrorist attack on US soil happen on his watch

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 09:02 PM
Trump crafting policy positions with some combination of "we'll be awesome", "we'll make super deals", "we'll do great things" :lol

The one good thing about Trump is he's not making up BS about baby parts, a "decimated" military, the end of Western civilization etc
He also calls out the flat tax bullshit.

:lmao trump just shitting all over dubya

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 09:03 PM
:lmao Jeb getting mad about his brother

Jeb: "My brother kept us safe"

Trump: "Do you feel safe right now?"

m>s
09-16-2015, 09:03 PM
Trump is a lock, he is literally the unstumpable trump. He is crushing the drudge poll.

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 09:05 PM
"It was such a disaster even Abraham Lincoln couldn't have gotten elected."

:lmao:lmao:lmao

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 09:07 PM
:lol this fat fuck Christie

hater
09-16-2015, 09:08 PM
What happened?

daslicer
09-16-2015, 09:12 PM
Has anybody notice when Trump goes on his super attacks that Walker,Rand, or Carly will interfere and interrupt the attack to save whoever Trump is attacking. I can't stand those 3 clowns.

ElNono
09-16-2015, 09:13 PM
If I had a shot for every time somebody said "military" I would be drunk out of my ass... :lol

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 09:13 PM
We need to listen to our military experts? You mean like Colin Powell who said we shouldn't go into Iraq?

ElNono
09-16-2015, 09:15 PM
Did Huckabee pass out?

Splits
09-16-2015, 09:16 PM
Not sure how it is possible to vote for any of the clowns with the exception of perhaps Kasich. At least he isn't batshit crazy.

daslicer
09-16-2015, 09:16 PM
One of the funny quotes of the night "Radical terrorism can't be solved by intellect."

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:16 PM
The fuck?Jewish principles?

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:17 PM
Did Huckabee pass out?
He passed out by staring at Trumps hair for too long.

hater
09-16-2015, 09:18 PM
Damn I'm not watching but by reading this thread in.fucking nauseous.

:lol this fucking country :lol

rogues
09-16-2015, 09:19 PM
:lol Cruz
:lol Jeb fucking Bush

ElNono
09-16-2015, 09:19 PM
lmao Christie riding the dead of 9/11... this nigga has no shame

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 09:21 PM
"It was such a disaster even Abraham Lincoln couldn't have gotten elected."

:lmao:lmao:lmao

:rollin

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 09:22 PM
Cuckabee rant about abortion

rogues
09-16-2015, 09:23 PM
Shitty fucking moderators

rogues
09-16-2015, 09:23 PM
Cuckabee rant about abortion
Exactly let that nigga go on

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:24 PM
Huckster trying to make sure a Republican can't be elected. These narrow issue candidates continue to kill the GOP

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:25 PM
We knew going in Republicans would bomb the "Foreign Policy" debate

Still dominating the Anti-PC stance.



Cringe moment @ "Show them this is a Christian and Jewish nation"

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 09:25 PM
Rubio and Carly have been pretty good

Splits
09-16-2015, 09:26 PM
Rubio and Carly have been pretty good

:lmao at what? Not having their knuckles dragging on the ground?

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 09:27 PM
I still can't figure out Trump's popularity

ElNono
09-16-2015, 09:29 PM
they need to change this more into a reality show... like "call to cut 1 candidate at the end of the show"....

Tapper closing with: "Huckabee, you do not have what it takes to be POTUS"

hater
09-16-2015, 09:29 PM
See no need to watch. Reading this thread was enough.

Trump killed it his poll numbers will increase.

The chick and the wetback will gain ground.

:lmao jeb bush :lol hes the Charlie brown of the bunch :lol

The rest need to be institutionalized


Thanks for your feedback niggas

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:30 PM
I still can't figure out Trump's popularity
The American people are fucking retarded Tbh. He's the only one they can understand.

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 09:30 PM
:lol everyone here smoked pot

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:30 PM
This is not in anyway a debate. It's all about single moment zingers. I watch for the entertainment, but we learn very little. It's worse than a commercial that implores one to " go see Mike today and tell him I sent you". If you actually did go see Mike he would laugh you out of his store for believing the commercial.

This is a grotesque way to choose leaders.

Warlord23
09-16-2015, 09:31 PM
Trump hasn't been the focal point of this circus like he was last time, and some of the other contenders got several opportunities to play to the gallery. If this doesn't pull down Trump's numbers, he will go on to win the nomination. If this doesn't move the needle for Jeb and Rubio in the polls, they might as well pack it in and go home.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:31 PM
Fuck Jeb. Legalize weed.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:32 PM
Rand Paul playing the black race card. Yikes, wrong party

Barely any clapping

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 09:32 PM
Fat boys argument against marijuana makes no sense at all.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:33 PM
You ain't gonna tell me that fat fuck isn't a cokehead.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:35 PM
Lmao. Shut the fuck up bitch.

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:36 PM
Rand Paul giving the straightforward answers but it's not GOP material. He's done. Even though he has some decent ideas.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:38 PM
Rubio is one smooth son of a bitch.

DMX7
09-16-2015, 09:38 PM
Rubio and Carly have been pretty good

:rollin

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:40 PM
And now Paul stoops to embellishing.
Never ends...

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:41 PM
I could see Rubio down the line as the first "brown" President

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 09:42 PM
I could see Rubio down the line as the first "brown" President

Nope.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:43 PM
Christie is scoring points by agreeing. He will be back for future debates

ElNono
09-16-2015, 09:45 PM
That fat fuck was always opposed to medical marihuana in NJ.... he stonewalled the law forever... and Carly really did say she had one of her kids OD? does she's really want to publicize she's that kind of mother? :lol

ElNono
09-16-2015, 09:45 PM
Rubio nails again the "best cookie cut zingers" in the debate, tbh

Spurminator
09-16-2015, 09:46 PM
Jesus, is the debate still on??

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:47 PM
"X, Y and Z has become an epidemic"

- Trump

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:48 PM
Autism my ass. Your kid is just a dumbass.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 09:48 PM
LOL Trump on vaccines causing autism. Never mind that non-Mexican, non-black bitches are having kids old as fuck now. Of course old bitches gonna have fucked up babies.

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 09:48 PM
Wtf? They're seriously debating vaccines?

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:49 PM
Ohhhh my.
Republicans admitting climate change by humans might be real.
X that box.

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 09:50 PM
This is not in anyway a debate. It's all about single moment zingers. I watch for the entertainment, but we learn very little. It's worse than a commercial that implores one to " go see Mike today and tell him I sent you". If you actually did go see Mike he would laugh you out of his store for believing the commercial.

This is a grotesque way to choose leaders.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:52 PM
LOL @ the token black in this Sandra Bullock film

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 09:53 PM
This is not in anyway a debate. It's all about single moment zingers. I watch for the entertainment, but we learn very little. It's worse than a commercial that implores one to " go see Mike today and tell him I sent you". If you actually did go see Mike he would laugh you out of his store for believing the commercial.

This is a grotesque way to choose leaders.

Go watch some democrat debates from 2008

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:53 PM
LOL Trump on vaccines causing autism. Never mind that non-Mexican, non-black bitches are having kids old as fuck now. Of course old bitches gonna have fucked up babies.

He is an idiot.

He will get slammed eventually for all the horseshit he believes and has pulled off in his business. It appears the Democrats will have to destroy him because the republicans appear afraid, or they want him one on one.

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:53 PM
Go watch some democrat debates from 2008

Why?

They are worse and not entertaining.

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 09:54 PM
LOL @ the token black in this Sandra Bullock film

He's the most intelligent person on the stage, but he's too soft spoken

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 09:55 PM
Why?

They are worse and not entertaining.


They were similar

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 09:56 PM
He's the most intelligent person on the stage, but he's too soft spoken
Hahah no this new film coming out


LOL @ Rosa Parks. Might as well put on Malcolm X

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 09:57 PM
If I was going to pick a bitch to be on the ten dollar bill, I'd pick Jynx Maze's ass.

Warlord23
09-16-2015, 09:57 PM
Candidates for women on the $10 bill: Trump's daughter, Huckabee's wife, Carson's mother, Margaret Thatcher, Mother Teresa

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 09:58 PM
:lmao these corny motherfuckers

pgardn
09-16-2015, 09:58 PM
They were similar

Disagree.

They are not as funny.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 09:59 PM
If I was going to pick a bitch to be on the ten dollar bill, I'd pick Jynx Maze's ass.
Tbh

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 10:00 PM
SNL please do a skit on this.
A very long skit.

Did phat phuk really just say "True Heart"? :rollin

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 10:01 PM
Candidates for women on the $10 bill: Trump's daughter, Huckabee's wife, Carson's mother, Margaret Thatcher, Mother Teresa


Fuck that cunt.

CHQkUBd8LGQ

OPTl0-2V7os

kS2nVVMulb4

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:01 PM
Fuck Israel.

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:02 PM
He's the most intelligent person on the stage, but he's too soft spoken

He may be good at memorizing people parts, but how good is he at influencing and understanding how to get people to work together?

If you can't hear him?

Smart people who can memorize are not necessarily good leaders. He is way out of his league.

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:03 PM
Fuck that cunt.

CHQkUBd8LGQ

OPTl0-2V7os

kS2nVVMulb4

Hitchens kind of exposed her.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 10:03 PM
:lmao Tax cuts will ensure every college graduate will have five jobs to choose from :lmao
:lol Cruz

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 10:03 PM
Is Cruz some kind of ex televangelist?

daslicer
09-16-2015, 10:03 PM
Republicans with their typical homage to Reagan.

djohn2oo8
09-16-2015, 10:04 PM
644345148105605122

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 10:05 PM
CROFL Carson bitching about free phones in the Reagan question when Lifeline started under Reagan.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:06 PM
644345148105605122

Lmao

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 10:06 PM
Carson, Paul and Trump playing for the wrong team

Scared of Hillary or what

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:06 PM
Thanks to your bro, Jeb.

Will Hunting
09-16-2015, 10:07 PM
This country will be so fucked if Cruz got elected.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 10:08 PM
Not seeing the point of bringing up Obama

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 10:08 PM
The constant "Ronald Regan" name dropping.
Freaking parrots STFU.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 10:08 PM
This country will be so fucked if Cruz got elected.
Yup. 2nd last statement that he basically outlined a list of how to Start WW3

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:09 PM
Shutup bitch.

daslicer
09-16-2015, 10:10 PM
Reagan to republicans is white Tupac. They never stfu about this guy.

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:12 PM
Reagan to republicans is white Tupac. They never stfu about this guy.
:lol

MultiTroll
09-16-2015, 10:13 PM
The continued Israel sucking.

Are all these phucks owned by Jewbob?

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 10:13 PM
Reagan, Israel & Abortions


Give it up and you prevail

Warlord23
09-16-2015, 10:14 PM
A furious round of blowjobs to St. Reagan is a fitting end to this shitfest

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 10:14 PM
Christy strong finish

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:15 PM
Fiorina can memorize.

Lady Liberty
And she wears an iron bra
A bra that symbolizes the willingness to crush the life out of small children...


Holy Fck what a robot resembling an owl.

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 10:15 PM
How many of you fucktards were alive when Reagan was elected?

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:16 PM
How many of you fucktards were alive when Reagan was elected?
:lol

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:17 PM
Reagan to republicans is white Tupac. They never stfu about this guy.

One year the Democrats and Republicans sucked on Harry Truman. Strange stuff how they find which dead president is currently popular.

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:18 PM
How many of you fucktards were alive when Reagan was elected?

No mention of Iran/Contra?

Why not?

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 10:20 PM
Trump surrounded by tall Blonde Bombshells

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 10:23 PM
A furious round of blowjobs to St. Reagan is a fitting end to this shitfest

:lol Kissing Reagan's ass while bitching about deficit spending and talking about how Bush, shitty version was right to take out Sadamm

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 10:26 PM
This debate really got shitty once they let Rubio, Cuckabee, and especially Cruz start talking. It was so much better when it was Trump vs Bush vs Princess Golden Parachute.

spurraider21
09-16-2015, 10:27 PM
LOL Trump on vaccines causing autism. Never mind that non-Mexican, non-black bitches are having kids old as fuck now. Of course old bitches gonna have fucked up babies.
http://i.imgur.com/W5MbbMn.jpg

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:28 PM
Lmao^

hitmanyr2k
09-16-2015, 10:29 PM
Ted Cruz looks and sounds like he belongs in one of those midnight infomercials. Every time I hear him speak he just sounds like he's oozing crookedness :lol

ElNono
09-16-2015, 10:30 PM
Time for half these guys to call it a day, tbh... although with the quality of the field, I can see why everybody things they have a shot...

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 10:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/W5MbbMn.jpg

:rollin

TheSanityAnnex
09-16-2015, 10:35 PM
http://i.imgur.com/W5MbbMn.jpg
:lol

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:37 PM
http://i.imgur.com/W5MbbMn.jpg

Grounds for execution due to stupidity.

TheSanityAnnex
09-16-2015, 10:37 PM
Highlight for me was Jeb's "retarded kid just got a high five from Michael Jordan" look when Trump extended his hand.

Warlord23
09-16-2015, 10:38 PM
How many of you fucktards were alive when Reagan was elected?

Let's just pretend for a moment that Obama did the following:
1. Sold weapons to Iran secretly in exchange for hostages
2. Diverted a portion of the sales to finance a rebel guerrilla outfit in another country
3. Initially told the American people that it wasn't a weapons-for-hostages swap
4. Backtracked on that claim and accepted that hostages were swapped
5. Had a dozen people in his administration convicted (with most of these being either vacated or pardoned later on)

What would you be saying about his character and his competence?

And that doesn't even begin to cover his tax cuts for the rich, reckless expansion of federal debt, financial deregulation that led to the S&L crisis etc

pgardn
09-16-2015, 10:40 PM
No mention of Iran/Contra?

Why not?

Boom goes the dynamite via Warlord.

TheGreatYacht
09-16-2015, 10:41 PM
Trump would offer his wife just to get that black vote

Pelicans78
09-16-2015, 10:43 PM
:lol spicko Rubio clinging to neoconservative fear mongering circa 2004

He's the next Santorum who was a G.W. Bush Repulican. Rubio and Cruz are no different.

Splits
09-16-2015, 10:44 PM
Jesus fuck that Fiorina close was so painful to watch. This is the same bitch who left her closing statement on the hotel printer before the last debate.

The only logical conclusion is that she rises in the polls.

TheGreatYacht
09-16-2015, 10:44 PM
Candidates for women on the $10 bill: Trump's daughter, Huckabee's wife, Carson's mother, Margaret Thatcher, Mother Teresa
:lmao

Drachen
09-16-2015, 10:46 PM
lmao Christie riding the dead of 9/11... this nigga has no shame

Is he pulling a Giuliani?

Splits
09-16-2015, 10:46 PM
:lol @#5 on google search questions

:lol 'Muricans

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TheGreatYacht
09-16-2015, 10:48 PM
:lol @#5 on google search questions

:lol 'Muricans

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Surprised "Is he Cenation?" isn't on there, tbh

hitmanyr2k
09-16-2015, 10:49 PM
Let's just pretend for a moment that Obama did the following:
1. Sold weapons to Iran secretly in exchange for hostages
2. Diverted a portion of the sales to finance a rebel guerrilla outfit in another country
3. Initially told the American people that it wasn't a weapons-for-hostages swap
4. Backtracked on that claim and accepted that hostages were swapped
5. Had a dozen people in his administration convicted (with most of these being either vacated or pardoned later on)

What would you be saying about his character and his competence?

And that doesn't even begin to cover his tax cuts for the rich, reckless expansion of federal debt, financial deregulation that led to the S&L crisis etc

You forgot the obvious :lol in which Reagan took Iraq off the State Sponsors of Terrorism list so his administration could prop up Saddam Hussein's regime selling them weapons, chemicals while offering up intelligence and training to his army during the Iraq/Iran war. And then Reagan turned a blind eye while Saddam used chemical warfare on Iran and their civilians (and ignorant Americans wonder why the Iranian old-timers chant "Death to America" :lol ). That decision affected our foreign policy in the middle east for the next 20+ years.

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 10:50 PM
When's the debate for the Dems?

Splits
09-16-2015, 10:51 PM
:lol Ann Coulter melting down

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TheGreatYacht
09-16-2015, 10:51 PM
When's the debate for the Dems?
Oct 13. Feel the bern

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 10:51 PM
It's going to be Hillary and one or possibly two old white dudes, right?

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 10:52 PM
:lol Ann Coulter melting down

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You follow Ann Coulter?

RD2191
09-16-2015, 10:53 PM
I actually agree with that bitch for once.

DarrinS
09-16-2015, 10:56 PM
I actually agree with that bitch for once.

She wanted more talk about illegal Mexicans, tbh

hitmanyr2k
09-16-2015, 10:58 PM
:lol Ann Coulter melting down

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It's not surprising. Isn't Cruz and Rubio part of the Sheldon Adelson team?

RD2191
09-16-2015, 11:00 PM
She wanted more talk about illegal Mexicans, tbh
:lol

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 11:04 PM
Let's just pretend for a moment that Obama did the following:
1. Sold weapons to Iran secretly in exchange for hostages
2. Diverted a portion of the sales to finance a rebel guerrilla outfit in another country
3. Initially told the American people that it wasn't a weapons-for-hostages swap
4. Backtracked on that claim and accepted that hostages were swapped
5. Had a dozen people in his administration convicted (with most of these being either vacated or pardoned later on)

What would you be saying about his character and his competence?

And that doesn't even begin to cover his tax cuts for the rich, reckless expansion of federal debt, financial deregulation that led to the S&L crisis etc
Life within American borders was superior. Especially given the [unfair] bitter taste Jimmy Carter left the general public

Ultimately few Americans have family overseas or within the American military. Life outside Pacific/Atlantic Ocean is less important

ElNono
09-16-2015, 11:08 PM
Is he pulling a Giuliani?

:lol hell yeah...

pgardn
09-16-2015, 11:17 PM
It's going to be Hillary and one or possibly two old white dudes, right?

And most likely not entertaining.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 11:17 PM
Is he pulling a Giuliani?

I'll never get tired of that Onion article :lol

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pgardn
09-16-2015, 11:19 PM
Life within American borders was superior. t

Sure thing...

The good old days.

Not.

hitmanyr2k
09-16-2015, 11:26 PM
I'll never get tired of that Onion article :lol

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Giuliani has never forgiven Joe Biden for destroying his campaign with one line :lol

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Clipper Nation
09-16-2015, 11:26 PM
:lol Ann Coulter melting down

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She's actually right about the donor class.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 11:28 PM
Sure thing...

The good old days.

Not.
American best days were the 1950s

The country regained it's Global influence/reputation in the 1980s


USA has been laughing stock since 9/11

pgardn
09-16-2015, 11:32 PM
American best days were the 1950s

The country regained it's Global influence/reputation in the 1980s


USA has been laughing stock since 9/11

Which is why the dollar and the U.S. Treasury bond rule the world.
You live in the most reliable, largest economy in the world.
Put your money where your mouth is and buy Polish securities.

Go now to a bank and get rid of all your dollars and go to any other place. Then get back to me.

baseline bum
09-16-2015, 11:36 PM
Giuliani has never forgiven Joe Biden for destroying his campaign with one line :lol

mPOAKXBi9Pw

:rollin

Jacob1983
09-16-2015, 11:39 PM
Hilarious 3 hours of TV. Rand Paul, Dr. Ben Carson, and Trump destroyed Jeb in the debate. Jeb looked like he wanted to punch Trump. "Kept us safe". LMAO! Keep telling yourself that. No matter how hard he tries, Jeb can't get rid of the Bush name. Dubya destroyed America. Jeb can't ever defend that.

hitmanyr2k
09-16-2015, 11:47 PM
Hilarious 3 hours of TV. Rand Paul, Dr. Ben Carson, and Trump destroyed Jeb in the debate. Jeb looked like he wanted to punch Trump. "Kept us safe". LMAO! Keep telling yourself that. No matter how hard he tries, Jeb can't get rid of the Bush name. Dubya destroyed America. Jeb can't ever defend that.

That was the moment I knew Trump was off his troll game tonight. When Jeb said that dumbass line he basically put both hands behind his back and lifted his chin so Trump could knock him out :lol It was the perfect setup and I was shocked when Trump said nothing.

daslicer
09-16-2015, 11:48 PM
Let's just pretend for a moment that Obama did the following:
1. Sold weapons to Iran secretly in exchange for hostages
2. Diverted a portion of the sales to finance a rebel guerrilla outfit in another country
3. Initially told the American people that it wasn't a weapons-for-hostages swap
4. Backtracked on that claim and accepted that hostages were swapped
5. Had a dozen people in his administration convicted (with most of these being either vacated or pardoned later on)

What would you be saying about his character and his competence?

And that doesn't even begin to cover his tax cuts for the rich, reckless expansion of federal debt, financial deregulation that led to the S&L crisis etc

I think that's the other elephant in the room republicans don't really like to talk about which is Reagan initially cut taxes at the start of the 80's but had to raise them several times due to not getting enough revenue for the government to function and get the economy moving. That in itself illustrates supply side economics is complete garbage.

Infinite_limit
09-16-2015, 11:56 PM
Which is why the dollar and the U.S. Treasury bond rule the world.
You live in the most reliable, largest economy in the world.
Put your money where your mouth is and buy Polish securities.

Go now to a bank and get rid of all your dollars and go to any other place. Then get back to me.
USA will never match it's global wealth dominance after WW2.


So just money? Where is it disappearing. Most hours worked and yet average living standards for a Western nation.

pgardn
09-17-2015, 12:06 AM
USA will never match it's global wealth dominance after WW2.


So just money? Where is it disappearing. Most hours worked and yet average living standards for a Western nation.

Yep

We don't have the Greek, European safety net. We don't tax the rich near as much as European countries.
True. It's tougher here if you work at a job in which you are very replaceable. If you do something almost anyone can do its gonna be tough here. Or very nice if you are from Sierra Leon.

So ask yourself what you do that is valuable to our society that others cannot or will not do.

TheGreatYacht
09-17-2015, 12:41 AM
That was the moment I knew Trump was off his troll game tonight. When Jeb said that dumbass line he basically put both hands behind his back and lifted his chin so Trump could knock him out :lol It was the perfect setup and I was shocked when Trump said nothing.
Trump's troll game has always been overrated as shit.

Jacob1983
09-17-2015, 02:42 AM
So who wants to bomb someone the most? I'm thinking Rubio followed by Cruz. Jeb and Christie would be tied for 3rd.

Why do Republicans think that Israel is a 3rd world country with no military?

Thebesteva
09-17-2015, 03:46 AM
LOL at Jeb Bush saying his brother kept our country safe. Jeb might want to just pretend hes not related to George at all. GW was by far the worst president in modern history. The Bush family drinks American blood for dinner. I also think rooting for politics is a lot like rooting for the WWE, its kind of adorable we all think we have a say in it but at the end of the day im not sure how much influence we really have.

JohnnyMarzetti
09-17-2015, 04:46 AM
Hilarious 3 hours of TV. Rand Paul, Dr. Ben Carson, and Trump destroyed Jeb in the debate. Jeb looked like he wanted to punch Trump. "Kept us safe". LMAO! Keep telling yourself that. No matter how hard he tries, Jeb can't get rid of the Bush name. Dubya destroyed America. Jeb can't ever defend that.

Trump destroyed nobody last night. Carson was a wuss. Fiorina was on her game. Kasich was good.

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 05:01 AM
Not sure how it is possible to vote for any of the clowns with the exception of perhaps Kasich. At least he isn't batshit crazy.

check his record in Ohio. he's as extremist right wing as any of them.

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 05:05 AM
I think that's the other elephant in the room republicans don't really like to talk about which is Reagan initially cut taxes at the start of the 80's but had to raise them several times due to not getting enough revenue for the government to function and get the economy moving. That in itself illustrates supply side economics is complete garbage.

adoration of St Ronnie is just on of the fantasies of the Repugs fabricated, alternate world of lies, distortions. Useful Idiot St Ronnie the Diseased couldn't get on the debate stage because, as nasty as his shitball was, he's way to the left the current Repug assholes.

DarrinS
09-17-2015, 07:17 AM
Rubio and Carly have been pretty good

Seems like the pundits are agreeing with my take

hater
09-17-2015, 07:18 AM
Seems like the pundits are agreeing with my take

That don't mean they been pretty good. They been atrocious but GOP loves attrocious :lol

DarrinS
09-17-2015, 07:23 AM
That don't mean they been pretty good. They been atrocious but GOP loves attrocious :lol

I guess that explains Trump's poll numbers

JoeChalupa
09-17-2015, 07:25 AM
Of all the GOP candidates, Gov. Kasich is the only one I could see myself voting for.
Granted I grew up in Ohio and I'm Catholic but he is the most moderate and clear headed of them all.

hater
09-17-2015, 07:31 AM
I guess that explains Trump's poll numbers

Bingo.

Still Trump although attrocious in most subjects he's the best leader out them all. Even over shillary and shillden

JoeChalupa
09-17-2015, 07:49 AM
Bingo.

Still Trump although attrocious in most subjects he's the best leader out them all. Even over shillary and shillden

Leader? Give me a break. :rolleyes

hater
09-17-2015, 07:55 AM
Leader? Give me a break. :rolleyes

Who's a better leader than trump out of those candidates??

The rest don't even know how to handle the Donald's. They are all eating from his hand. Pathetic

hater
09-17-2015, 07:57 AM
The only ones that seem to have a backbone are jindal and Paul. And both are unelectable :lol

hater
09-17-2015, 07:59 AM
And Hillary a leader? :lol

The best leadership she showed is when she led the secret service members to that whorehouse in Colombia :lol

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 08:02 AM
At Debate, Republicans Talk the Talk

Our national attention span is … short. The Republican presidential primary debate on Wednesday was … long. Really, if you throw in the earlier loser debate, it was the longest ever.

The Lincoln-Douglas debates would go on for three hours. But that was back when in many towns, the most exciting public activity of the year was pole-raising.

Are people going to remember the shallow, sassy Donald Trump from the first half-hour? (“I wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ I say not in a braggadocio’s way I’ve made billions and billions of dollars.”)

Or the middle-section Trump who clearly didn’t have a clue about how to critique President Obama’s Syrian policy? (“Somehow he just doesn’t have courage. There’s something missing from our president.”)

And then there was the completely, unbelievably irresponsible Trump of the finale who claimed he knew people whose daughter got autism from a vaccine shot. (This happened, he said, to “people that work for me just the other day.”)

Remember when the vaccination issue destroyed Michele Bachmann’s political career? One can only hope.

Of course everyone wanted to hear Jeb Bush take on the front-runner. Smackdown! Bush got his opportunity very early. Where would he go? Immigration? Taxes? Foreign affairs?

Bush accused Trump of giving him campaign donations in order to get casino gambling in Florida.

“Totally false,” said Trump. “I promise if I wanted it, I would have gotten it.”

Do you think that’s what Bush was practicing over the last couple of weeks? There were six or seven people on the stage who sounded more forceful than he did. A recent poll in Florida suggested that only 52 percent of Florida Republicans want their former governor to continue running for president. At times on Wednesday, that seemed like overenthusiasm.

Bush perked up a little in the middle, when he volunteered that he’d smoked marijuana in his youth. Then at the end, when he was asked what woman he’d like to see on the 10-dollar bill, he said … Margaret Thatcher.

Nobody wanted to deal with the global warming issue.

Virtually everybody made up a Planned Parenthood scenario that never existed. Ah, Republicans …

And in other activities, Carly Fiorina managed to yet again drop the name “my good friend … Bibi Netanyahu.”

Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin repeated his previous debate trick of vanishing entirely into the scenery. Walker’s poll numbers are vanishing, too, and it appears his only playing card is to remind people that he fought against public employee unions. Lately he’s been desperately upping the anti-union ante so much that his next step would have to be demanding that federal employees be prohibited from talking with one another outside of work.

Marco Rubio — remember Marco Rubio? The senator who vanished all summer except the time he hit the kid in the head with a football? He definitely looked rested.

Ben Carson, at one point, appeared to be accusing Trump of socialism.

Chris Christie did pretty well. Too bad he’s such a terrible governor. New Jersey would rather have another traffic crisis at the George Washington Bridge than vote again for Chris Christie.

What do you think it is about governors in this race? Florida is deeply unenthusiastic about Jeb Bush, Wisconsin seems to hate Scott Walker, and if Louisiana had a chance to get its hands on Bobby Jindal, God knows what would happen.

The debate went on for so long it was a wonder no one fainted. And think about the viewers who made it all the way from the first segment — the one where the CNN preview featured a zipper at the bottom of the screen announcing, “PATAKI ARRIVES AT DEBATE HALL.”

“The first four questions are about Donald Trump!” former Gov. George Pataki complained. Senator Lindsey Graham repeatedly slid in the fact that his parents ran a bar and a poolroom. Graham insists he’s really enjoying himself, although when someone keeps saying “I’m running because I think the world is falling apart,” it’s sort of a downer.

Former Senator Rick Santorum and Governor Jindal tried so hard to break through the barrier of national indifference they sounded like rabid otters.

Yes, some political junkies watched Republicans debating for almost five hours Wednesday. This should be a message to the Democrats. Right now the party is engaged in a fight about whether its schedule of three debates in 2015 is too puny. There are a number of democratic nations in the world where you could easily overcome this argument by pointing out that the election is not until 2016.

But the American people are fine with more debates. Honest, there can be one every night as long as the American people are not actually forced to watch them. It could be a kind of endurance contest. Last person standing gets the nomination.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/17/opinion/gail-collins-at-debate-republicans-talk-the-talk.html?_r=0

aka, "Much Ado About Nothing" total, utter, complete 100% bullshitters.

JoeChalupa
09-17-2015, 08:07 AM
Who's a better leader than trump out of those candidates??

The rest don't even know how to handle the Donald's. They are all eating from his hand. Pathetic

Like I said, Gov. Kasich is the one I would vote for and Trump's mouth does not make him a leader.

JoeChalupa
09-17-2015, 08:08 AM
The only ones that seem to have a backbone are jindal and Paul. And both are unelectable :lol

Are you shitting me!? Fiorina shut Trump up big time. Christie didn't back down, neither did Rubio or Paul.

hater
09-17-2015, 08:08 AM
Step one of being a leader is you gotta stand up on your own. trump is so far the best at this step one. The rest fail miserably.

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 08:13 AM
check his record in Ohio. he's as extremist right wing as any of them.

Decoding John Kasich: Looking at the Ohio governor's words and record as he looks at 2016

But as he takes his rhetorical style national, the Republican presidential prospect's shopworn talking points and turns of phrase are meeting a fresh set of eyes and ears.

People in the shadows (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/11/ohio_gov_john_kasich_finds_him.html)? That's Kasich shorthand for the mentally ill, the drug-addicted and the poor. If you're just now tuning in, be prepared to hear it whenever Kasich defends his decision to expand Medicaid -- a decision that has angered conservatives who view the move as an embrace of big and bloated government.

Flyover country (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/04/gov_john_kasich_and_sheldon_ad.html)? That's how Kasich describes Ohio before he took over as governor. It's an old pejorative for the Midwest -- and to hear Kasich tell it, it no longer applies to the Buckeye State thanks to his budget wizardry and laser focus on job creation. In Kasich's preferred narrative, he put Ohio back on the map. What he won't say is that there already were signs of improvement (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2013/jan/24/ted-strickland/ted-strickland-says-ohios-economic-turnaround-bega/) as the nation recovered from a recession that played out on his Democratic predecessor's watch.

Money can't buy you love (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/04/23/kasich-speech-dc.html)? With a tip of the hat to Lennon and McCartney, that's Kasich's way of acknowledging that he's not the fundraising machine that Jeb Bush is. And it's a reminder of when Kasich tried to run for president the first time, only to be chased from the race by the well-funded George W. Bush, Jeb's older brother.

Justin Bieber (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/01/ohio_gov_john_kasich_plenty_of.html)? Linkin Park (http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/how-arrogant-prickly-smart-john-kasich-would-upend-2016-20150306)? Bono (https://www.kasichforohio.com/kasich-u2-is-an-exquisite-team/)? Just a few of the names that Kasich, 62, likes to drop to flex his pop-culture cred. Yes, it's a bit forced. But just go with it. He's been doing it so long that the names used to be Eddie Vedder, Counting Crows (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/05/choice_of_a_new_generation_jol.html) ... andBono (http://www.atu2.com/news/heroes-with-john-kasich.html).

These and other Kasich favorites are finding their way into national media and local newspapers in early primary states such as New Hampshire and South Carolina. That makes this a good time to review some of the more substantive staples of his stump speech -- a good time to re-establish our fluency in John Kasich.

ON WALL STREET ...

"Wall Street is necessary because it should help move the financial operations of America forward," the governor said last month during an interview with "Meet the Press" moderator Chuck Todd (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/04/john_kasich_jeb_bush_and_deja.html). "But I'll tell you the problem with Wall Street. It's too much about 'I gotta make money.' It's too much greed."

Decoded: After leaving Congress in 2001, Kasich went to work for Lehman Brothers (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/05/recovering_politician_bides_hi.html), the big Wall Street investment-banking firm that collapsed and took the national economy down with it. He became rich, making nearly $1.4 million in 2008, according to tax-return records he released during his 2010 run for governor.

Since that campaign, Kasich has walked a fine line, touting his private-sector experience when it suits him, downplaying it when he doesn't. He has bragged about being part of the Lehman team that took Google's stock public -- a claim that the Dayton Daily News found to be overstated (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/is-kasich-overstating-his-role-in-google-deal/nNC6C/). Then there's the understated Kasich (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/07/republican_governor_candidate.html) who "was one of 700 managing directors" and "worked in a two-man office in Columbus."
Kasich is likely to switch between these dueling narratives, depending on his audience. When he cries of greed, he hopes to turn a potential negative into a positive. Who better to criticize a monolith like Wall Street than someone who's seen it from the inside?

ON BALANCING THE FEDERAL BUDGET ...

"You know, I was budget chairman in '97, the last time we balanced a budget and the first time since man walked on the moon," Kasich, reminiscing about his days in Congress, said during a January interview on "Fox News Sunday" (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday-chris-wallace/2015/01/25/gov-john-kasich-talks-balanced-budget-push-2016-plans-denis-mcdonough-presidents-domestic#p//v/4011114513001) with Chris Wallace.

Decoded: Kasich is particularly big on the "first time since man walked on the moon" tidbit and uses it often. It adds just to the level of loftiness he's aiming for as he seeks to turn another possible weakness into a strength: His time as a Washington insider.

In the past Kasich has overstated his role. Yes, he was chairman of the U.S. House Budget Committee that produced that historic budget pact. But in 2010, when he described himself as the "architect who balanced the budget" and "created a surplus" that led to "record job creation," PolitiFact found the claim only half-true (http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/oct/31/john-kasich/john-kasich-touts-role-balancing-budget-creating-s/).

Overlooked in Kasich's bragging are the roles played by then-President Bill Clinton, congressional Democrats and a robust economy. And while Kasich occasionally acknowledges his support of the government shutdowns that preceded the budget deal, it's not the type of story that voters frustrated with D.C. gridlock will appreciate.

Kasich now is calling for a constitutional amendment (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/12/john_kasich_talks_balanced_bud.html) that would require a balanced federal budget, so you'll be hearing much more about his astronomical derring-do.

ON BALANCING OHIO'S BUDGET ...

On his watch as governor, Ohio "went from $8 billion in the hole to where at the end of this budget cycle, we will have a $2 billion surplus -- in the period of about four years,"Kasich said during a March speech at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire (http://www.c-span.org/video/?325002-1/politics-eggs-breakfast-governor-john-kasich-roh).

Decoded: The hole of which Kasich speaks was a projection made by his budget advisers in 2011. State law requires Ohio's budget to balance (http://www.lsc.ohio.gov/guidebook/chapter8.pdf), so when facing his 2012-2013 budget, Kasich had to find money somewhere, cut spending or do both.

But was the hole really $8 billion? That figure was repeated so often that The Plain Dealer in 2011 decided to check its accuracy (http://v/). What the newspaper found was an early estimate of $7.7 billion, but that was before factoring in anticipated revenue growth from the economy, already in recovery. While the $8 billion figure was still being bandied about, the hole was actually between $5.9 billion and $6.1 billion, The Plain Dealer found.

OK, call it $8 billion or $6 billion -- it was still a hole, and the Columbus Dispatch said (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/06/22/economic-recoverynot-asimpletale.html) its size was unprecedented. And Kasich not only found ways to fill it -- not all of them popular -- but also to have money left at the end of the next budget cycle, which he used (http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/07/kasich_boosts_rainy_day_fund_t.html) to replenish a rainy day fund and cut Ohio income and small-business taxes.

Some money came from Medicaid changes that put more people in managed care as a way to control spending growth. Kasich also reduced state funding to local governments by nearly 50 percent, which meant cuts to schools and communities. Democrats still decry the cuts. While he was at it, Kasich also eliminated the Ohio estate tax.

Kasich says the state cuts took only a small chunk -- an average of 3 percent to 5 percent, he told the Cincinnati Enquirer (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/24/kasich-local-governments-can-cope-cuts/6848241/) -- from local governments' own budgets, and he said they could withstand it. Policy Matters Ohio, a liberal think tank, counters that when the cuts are combined with other state funding changes, including Kasich's elimination of Ohio's estate tax, many cities are still hurting.

ON RECOUPING OHIO'S JOBS ...

"We were down those 350,000 jobs," Kasich said during his March speech at St. Anselm in New Hampshire. "And now we're up" by roughly that number now. "Think about that turnaround in a period of just a little bit more than four years."

Decoded: Ohio lost jobs during the recession, and during their 2010 campaign Kasich hammered his Democratic opponent, then-Gov. Ted Strickland, for those losses. The whole nation lost jobs, of course, but Kasich's point today is about the turnaround.

His numbers are generally good, although Kasich tends to emphasize Ohio's private-sector job growth and not its government employment, which has shrunk. Kasich believes that's as it should be because, he says, the private sector drives economic growth.

Yet Ohio's job growth rate -- a comparison of where the state is compared with where it was -- actually lags the nation's, according to a number of sources and reports, including the congressional Joint Economic Committee (http://www.jec.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=502c1791-f882-4a12-9f9a-b447e8fbb85e). Policy Matters, the think tank, said last month (http://www.policymattersohio.org/jobwatch-april2015) that Ohio's job total grew about 1.2 percent over the last year while the national average was 2.3 percent. George Zeller, a Cleveland economic analyst who tracks economic indicators, said after the March 2015 job numbers came out (http://www.georgezeller.com/ohusajob0415.pdf) that Ohio had gone 29 straight months with job growth below the national average.

To be fair, a Northeast Ohio Media Group analysis last year (http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/08/ohio_lags_us_jobs_growth_as_it.html) found that Ohio's job growth has generally trailed the nation's for at least a half-century. So this is not to say Kasich bears the blame for any of these numbers. But keep that in mind when he claims credit.

ON HIS RE-ELECTION LANDSLIDE ...

"In the great state of Ohio," Kasich told CNN's Gloria Borger (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/04/26/is-gov-john-kasich-running-for-president/) last month, he won a second term last November with "64 percent of the vote, 86 out of 88 counties, won a county that Barack Obama won by 40 points." He makes that point regularly.

"I must be doing something right," Kasich told CNN.

Decoded: Kasich is popular, no doubt about it. His victory was so resounding that he even trounced his Democratic opponent, Ed FitzGerald, in the Democratic stronghold of Cuyahoga County, where President Barack Obama bested Mitt Romney in 2012 with a nearly 43 percent advantage. And that happened to be FitzGerald's home county.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/05/decoding_john_kasich_looking_a.html

.... but no mention of his War on Women?

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 08:51 AM
is the economy a topic for later debates, or did they all just ignore how badly 10Ms of people are doing, how real household income is down or decreasing, how new jobs are shitty with shitty pay.

elbamba
09-17-2015, 09:04 AM
He's the most intelligent person on the stage, but he's too soft spoken

The man can not articulate a point. He might be a brilliant doctor, but last night he showed he does not belong in the face. W was better at getting his point across. I seriously can't understand what Carson is getting at half the time. Its like listening to a Charlie Strong interview.

Winehole23
09-17-2015, 09:11 AM
W was better at getting his point across.Walker?

elbamba
09-17-2015, 09:16 AM
George Bush. The point is that I just don't understand the points Carson is making. Even when it came to vaccines it just seemed hard for him to articulate that the science is settled. If anyone could make that point clear it should have been him.

DMX7
09-17-2015, 09:17 AM
I can't believe Trump missed an opportunity to say that GWB didn't keep us safe on 9/11. How do you let Jeb get away with saying that GWB "kept us safe".

tlongII
09-17-2015, 09:19 AM
I'm starting to think Trump might win this thing. He's killing the other republican candidates.

tlongII
09-17-2015, 09:20 AM
I can't believe Trump missing an opportunity to say that GWB didn't keep us safe on 9/11. How do you let Jeb get away with saying that GWB "kept us safe".

Trump didn't need to. Everybody knows that was a dumbass statement.

hater
09-17-2015, 09:22 AM
I can't believe Trump missing an opportunity to say that GWB didn't keep us safe on 9/11. How do you let Jeb get away with saying that GWB "kept us safe".

Smart move by trump

Many Republicans missing teeth believe W and Cheney kept us save. They vote

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2015, 09:23 AM
is the economy a topic for later debates, or did they all just ignore how badly 10Ms of people are doing, how real household income is down or decreasing, how new jobs are shitty with shitty pay.

Are you not paying attention? Trump is going to make America great again and bring all those jobs back to the US.

DMX7
09-17-2015, 09:23 AM
Trump didn't need to. Everybody knows that was a dumbass statement.

There are many simpletons in the GOP who probably bought that line though. Trump should have pounced IMO. He could have also said he didn't keep our troops in Iraq (who didn't need to be there) safe as well.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2015, 09:24 AM
I wonder if Trump even gets the Irony of his "Make America Great" slogan while slamming Mexico. The whole continental western hemisphere is "America"

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 09:25 AM
Are you not paying attention? Trump is going to make America great again and bring all those jobs back to the US.

Gnarly did say she saved 80K jobs by killing 30K jobs. Sounds like My Lai massacre, had to destroy the village to save it.

DMX7
09-17-2015, 09:28 AM
I wonder if Trump even gets the Irony of his "Make America Great" slogan while slamming Mexico. The whole continental western hemisphere is "America"

I guess that's ironic. Even outside most of the U.S., "America" is synonymous with the United States.

CosmicCowboy
09-17-2015, 09:35 AM
I guess that's ironic. Even outside most of the U.S., "America" is synonymous with the United States.

That certainly hasn't been my experience.

hater
09-17-2015, 09:40 AM
I have to agree even south of the border when you say some is americano its self explanatory that they from gringoland.

Sad and pathetic but true

tlongII
09-17-2015, 09:50 AM
That certainly hasn't been my experience.

It has been my experience. Almost every country I've been to refers to us as Americans. Sometimes "Yanks" though.

boutons_deux
09-17-2015, 09:58 AM
Fact Checking Reveals G.O.P. Debate Was Four Per Cent Fact

SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA – A thorough fact checking reveals that Wednesday night’s Republican Presidential debate was four per cent fact, fact checkers reported Thursday morning.

According to HonestyWatch, a Minnesota-based fact-checking organization, over the course of three hours the Republican candidates served up between eight and twelve facts, not including their names and job descriptions.


While few of the facts that were dispensed during the debate related to policy matters, viewers did learn that Jeb Bush smoked pot in high school, and that Donald Trump had not yet ridiculed Rand Paul’s looks, the fact checkers found.

At CNN, the debate moderator, Jake Tapper, said he was proud of the role he played in keeping the evening’s fact content to a minimum.

“Whenever I felt the candidates were straying into the issues, I tried to goad them into insulting each other,” he said. “I didn’t succeed every time, but all in all I feel good about the night.”

While Tapper might be happy with Wednesday’s contest, it failed to match the benchmark set by August’s Fox News debate, which came in at three per cent fact.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fact-checking-reveals-g-o-p-debate-was-four-per-cent-fact?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(42)&cndid=&mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(42)&CNDID=&spMailingID=8076907&spUserID=MjczNzc0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=761865927&spReportId=NzYxODY1OTI3S0

ducks
09-17-2015, 10:02 AM
is the economy a topic for later debates, or did they all just ignore how badly 10Ms of people are doing, how real household income is down or decreasing, how new jobs are shitty with shitty pay.

you mean the current president screwed that up

ducks
09-17-2015, 10:04 AM
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9081166/?view=results

ducks
09-17-2015, 10:06 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/17/media/cnn-republican-debate-ratings/index.html highest rating for cnn ever

hater
09-17-2015, 10:09 AM
Thanks to Trump. All media is in a bonanza thanks to Donald. :tu

DMX7
09-17-2015, 10:10 AM
That certainly hasn't been my experience.

Where has your experience been? In latin america?

Blake
09-17-2015, 10:21 AM
That certainly hasn't been my experience.

right because the song "America the Beautiful" clearly was including Mexico and everything south of it