View Full Version : Supreme Leader: Only cure for usurping/child killing/terrorist regime is annihilation
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 12:44 AM
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Infinite_limit
09-20-2015, 01:12 AM
Honestly, that guy needs to die. He has been doing more harm than good for Iran for a looooong time
He represents the kind of Muslims I do not like
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 03:00 AM
Example?
Infinite_limit
09-20-2015, 03:03 AM
Example?
How much influence does he still have? Iran and it's young populations potential are being wasted.
He just talks a-lot of shit [Death to yadda yadda] endless threats and that's what it always ends up being....just empty talk. It gets old. Which is why I don't like Netanhayu either [but more reasons].
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 03:20 AM
If you actually listen to his speeches (which have English subtitles), you would realize just how ridiculous it is to consider what he has to say "empty talk". On foreign policy, Israel, and the United States despite a different flair and tone and that he's a cleric, he is very similar to the famous MIT professor and linguist/analyst Noam Chomsky.
Iran has some economic problems, but it's youth being "wasted" is another ridiculous assertion. For as much brain drain as Iran has endured there has been an explosion universities and enrollment of students ever since the Revolution (60% women too). Iran is making scientific and technological advancements, and medical advancements as well.
"wasted" just isn't an appropriate word just because the country isn't a liberal democracy and has some economic and government flaws.
As for how much influence the Mullahs have, I'd say about 1/3 of the Iranian population. But given that the 2/3 of the remainder and the diaspora is divided among a bunch of political factions interests and agendas, that 1/3 would be such sufficient a majority that it would win any hypothetical referendum in the country.
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 03:32 AM
Infinite... some (maybe you?) blame the economic and political problems of this regime on the Mullahs, but these problems existed in Iran prior anyway.
Under the Shah, who absolutely was a puppet and dictator guilty of crimes against his people, yes there was more western culture and influence in the heart of Tehran, and yes there was some social progress made in some sectors.
But overall... the wealth imbalance was enormous. Some lived in palace like structures in the heart of Tehran, whereas some in desolate village and rural areas were essentially cut off from the entire world. An event many Iranians are familiar with is when the Shah had a luxurious parade and lavish celebration on the birthday of a King just a few miles away from one of the poorest cities in Iran. Many that fled to USA after Revolution were extremely wealthy, sometimes due to connections or corruption. All the while, half the country was illiterate, the Shah's SAVAK was committing crimes, etc.
Shah was just a puppet who took orders from the United States and a dictator. He was brought to power by a joint CIA/M16 coup in Operation Ajax of 1953 after Mossadegh was betrayed by the Americans. Of course the USA loved him, he bought a bunch of military equipment from the United States and gave them oil, and was literally a puppet (I can't emphasize this enough, because there is ample evidence of the Shah LITERALLY asking the the Americans what to do, taking orders, what to set the price of oil, etc)
Infinite_limit
09-20-2015, 03:34 AM
If you actually listen to his speeches (which have English subtitles), you would realize just how ridiculous it is to consider what he has to say "empty talk". On foreign policy, Israel, and the United States despite a different flair and tone and that he's a cleric, he is very similar to the famous MIT professor and linguist/analyst Noam Chomsky.
Iran has some economic problems, but it's youth being "wasted" is another ridiculous assertion. For as much brain drain as Iran has endured there has been an explosion universities and enrollment of students ever since the Revolution (60% women too). Iran is making scientific and technological advancements, and medical advancements as well.
"wasted" just isn't an appropriate word just because the country isn't a liberal democracy and has some economic and government flaws.
As for how much influence the Mullahs have, I'd say about 1/3 of the Iranian population. But given that the 2/3 of the remainder and the diaspora is divided among a bunch of political factions interests and agendas, that 1/3 would be such sufficient a majority that it would win any hypothetical referendum in the country.
I think Iran has the potential to be a major influential nation, especially in their own region. It is doing well and given the decades of economic sanctions I'd say they are doing great. But there is more potential, much more.
That could really challenge the dollar with a strong China-Russia & Iran
I will be honest, I have not heard an entire speech of his. I will have to do that. Maybe it's lost in translation but he seems to have catchy soundbites.
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 03:42 AM
It has potential due to human, geographic, natural resources .
Political rift with United States has hurt the economy, but again... Iran was best pals with the United States for 25 years and did not become an economic juggernaut by any means.. a mirage. Anti-imperialism and anti-Americanism in Iran is not based on religious doctrine or blind radicalism, it is based on the logic and reason and analysis of the historical events that have occurred.
Infinite_limit
09-20-2015, 03:42 AM
Infinite... some (maybe you?) blame the economic and political problems of this regime on the Mullahs, but these problems existed in Iran prior anyway.
Under the Shah, who absolutely was a puppet and dictator guilty of crimes against his people, yes there was more western culture and influence in the heart of Tehran, and yes there was some social progress made in some sectors.
But overall... the wealth imbalance was enormous. Some lived in palace like structures in the heart of Tehran, whereas some in desolate village and rural areas were essentially cut off from the entire world. An event many Iranians are familiar with is when the Shah had a luxurious parade and lavish celebration on the birthday of a King just a few miles away from one of the poorest cities in Iran. Many that fled to USA after Revolution were extremely wealthy, sometimes due to connections or corruption. All the while, half the country was illiterate, the Shah's SAVAK was committing crimes, etc.
Shah was just a puppet who took orders from the United States and a dictator. He was brought to power by a joint CIA/M16 coup in Operation Ajax of 1953 after Mossadegh was betrayed by the Americans. Of course the USA loved him, he bought a bunch of military equipment from the United States and gave them oil, and was literally a puppet (I can't emphasize this enough, because there is ample evidence of the Shah LITERALLY asking the the Americans what to do, taking orders, what to set the price of oil, etc)
I think the Mullahs were necessary and they did their job. But it is time to steadily modernize [which Iran to their credit have been doing naturally]. Of-course this is an European speaking so I think that may come off as "You just need to be more Westerner". But I think it's possible for Iran to be more Westerner while not being a USA-UK bitch. Poland is also religious and they are having trouble with constant USA-UK liberal and strategic [Anti-Russian] manipulation.
How conservative do you feel Iran is in comparison to current Turkey?
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 03:43 AM
This Khamenei guy is quite frankly a brilliant speaker. One of the best and most charismatic speakers I've ever seen.
The blithering idiots I'd say I've listened to in politics lately are guys like Netanyahu, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, etc
Khamenei, even though he's a religious cleric, echoes a tone and political stance comparable to Noam Chomsky and George Galloway, Ron Paul.
Ghazi
09-20-2015, 03:53 AM
It just isn't realistic for Iran to have a western style liberal democracy.
Separation of church and state to me has generally meant the tolerance of people. (Iran is a "tolerant country", but there is the Bahaii issue)
That Iran's government may sponsor religious events, promote religion (but not shove it down peoples throats or force it), has clerics in positions of power etc etc, necessarily isn't the issue. Iran still has a lot of Shiites and people appealed by religion (see Ashura)
It is the efficiency of the government, the management of economy/social structures that is important and can be criticized.
When it comes to foreign policy though, fighting against Zionism and imperialism is simply something I'm not gonna criticize the government on.
Mark Celibate
09-20-2015, 07:45 AM
Khamenei ain't just a great speaker whose entire political career is built upon good oration like President Obama. Khamenei is the Iranian version of Vladimir Putin, in my opinion, they're very similar in terms of decisiveness and the courage to not conform to the US.
boutons_deux
09-20-2015, 07:46 AM
Iran through a M of their kids at Saddam in the Iraq-Iran war.
Infinite_limit
09-20-2015, 09:24 PM
It just isn't realistic for Iran to have a western style liberal democracy.
Separation of church and state to me has generally meant the tolerance of people. (Iran is a "tolerant country", but there is the Bahaii issue)
That Iran's government may sponsor religious events, promote religion (but not shove it down peoples throats or force it), has clerics in positions of power etc etc, necessarily isn't the issue. Iran still has a lot of Shiites and people appealed by religion (see Ashura)
It is the efficiency of the government, the management of economy/social structures that is important and can be criticized.
When it comes to foreign policy though, fighting against Zionism and imperialism is simply something I'm not gonna criticize the government on.
I didn't mean 'western style liberal democracy'. I was referring to culturally. More of Toxic Western culture because it is currently the Global perspective. Open doors with other cultures like Asia and South America. I would expect in the near future for Iran to be more open than China.
I think Iran has the potential to be a major influential nation, especially in their own region. It is doing well and given the decades of economic sanctions I'd say they are doing great. But there is more potential, much more.
That could really challenge the dollar with a strong China-Russia & Iran
I will be honest, I have not heard an entire speech of his. I will have to do that. Maybe it's lost in translation but he seems to have catchy soundbites.
"in their own region"
lol.. anyone with a sandwich and a glass of milk is considered a power house in that region.
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