Harrison Barnes turns down 4yr/64mill...LoL

[Kawhitstorm]

Harrison Barnes received an initial 4-year, $64M extension proposal from the Warriors, according to Yahoo! Sports. The offer wasn't accepted, but serves as a jumping off point for contract talks.Barnes, 23, averaged 10.1 PPG and 5.5 RPG last season.

[Richie]

Barnes will comfortably get more than that in free agency. He will get at least Kawhi money with the amount of cap space floating around in the summer

[daslicer]

There is a lot of crappy teams out there that will offer Barnes the max next year.

[Killakobe81]

Barnes will comfortably get more than that in free agency. He will get at least Kawhi money with the amount of cap space floating around in the summer

This ...besides, not as bad as T.Thompson turning down $80 million. If he hits FA Lakers will chase him with a truckload. I like him ... but dont think he is a max guy (not even Kiwi is truly a max yet imho) but this is the NBA we live in.

Kiwi deserves it way more than Barnes though ... in my world Duncan makes max or close to it. LMA too. Kiwi just under and the old vets take club friendly deals to stay (green/parker/Manu/David West). but whatever. Players agreed to a dumb CBA.

[RD2191]

He can thank Pop for whatever contract he gets. Pop by design let him go off on the spurs (couple of seasons ago) and fooled the media into thinking Barnes is actually a star player.

[kobyz]

According to ST Thompson is scrub, Barnes is scrub, Draymond is scrub, Iggy is scrub, i guess Curry is the GOAT over MJ if he could take this team to a title...

[TheGreatYacht]

Saw how much beta system role player got down here this summer and thought he deserves the same :lol

[Spurtacular]

If I was a GM, I wouldn't pay that much for HB on the open market; then again, the new TV deal / CBA might make these insane amounts the new normal.

[Killakobe81]

If I was a GM, I wouldn't pay that much for HB on the open market; then again, the new TV deal / CBA might make these insane amounts the new normal.

yep. Agree 100% Also agree that he is not a scrub. Guy was the #1 HS player in the nation ...far less than that at UNC but a very good not great player.

[DPG21920]

If I was a GM, I wouldn't pay that much for HB on the open market; then again, the new TV deal / CBA might make these insane amounts the new normal.

That's like people from the 50's saying "I would never pay $3 a gallon for gas" because they are used to .87c per gallon. Well, they have no choice, that is the cost of gas now.

[Kawhitstorm]

yep. Agree 100% Also agree that he is not a scrub. Guy was the #1 HS player in the nation ...far less than that at UNC but a very good not great player.

As we saw last year & his rookie season, he has to play alongside all-star players to be effective. He was absolutely trash in 2013-14 when they tried him out as a 6th man b/c he can't create his own shot besides posting up. He isn't better than Tobias Harris who just signed a 4yr/64mill contract. He's a better defender than Tobias but he's an average wing defender (LeBron feasted on him in the Finals when they were matched-up). The only thing that makes Barnes special is that he's is a deceptively strong dude who can check PFs (Z-Bo in the 2nd rd) & can hit open shot to keep the defense honest. Since the Warriors are a "small ball" team they might be tempted to overpay him otherwise team looking for a traditional wing player need to stay away from Barnes.

The Warriors also have to pay Ezeli next summer (while Bogut/Iggy are still under contract) & Curry will be due for a supermax extension in 2017.

[baseline bum]

That's like people from the 50's saying "I would never pay $3 a gallon for gas" because they are used to .87c per gallon. Well, they have no choice, that is the cost of gas now.

:lol

[SAGirl]

As we saw last year & his rookie season, he has to play alongside all-star players to be effective. He was absolutely trash in 2013-14 when they tried him out as a 6th man b/c he can't create his own shot besides posting up. He isn't better than Tobias Harris who just signed a 4yr/64mill contract. He's a better defender than Tobias but he's an average wing defender (LeBron feasted on him in the Finals when they were matched-up). The only thing that makes Barnes special is that he's is a deceptively strong dude who can check PFs (Z-Bo in the 2nd rd) & can hit open shot to keep the defense honest. Since the Warriors are a "small ball" team they might be tempted to overpay him otherwise team looking for a traditional wing player need to stay away from Barnes.

The Warriors also have to pay Ezeli next summer (while Bogut/Iggy are still under contract) & Curry will be due for a supermax extension in 2017.
Good take. He's not indispensable to the warriors like Draymond was this summer. If someone wants him real bad and some team might, it could be the first of the championship core to go. A team like Grizzlies for example would improve a whole lot with a wing like that. Just throwing one out there of a lot of teams who could overpay bc there will be cap space and he fills a specific need. I think he's gone.

Tristan' s contract situation is more difficult. The guy is an elite hustle/rebounder, but then very limited in other areas. I don't think he's a max player and may be dissappointed to find that out after he moves on from Cleveland.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tristan' s contract situation is more difficult. The guy is an elite hustle/rebounder, but then very limited in other areas. I don't think he's a max player and may be dissappointed to find that out after he moves on from Cleveland.

He isn't a great postup defender nor a shot blocker thus he has to be in the perfect system to be a max type player. He would be a good fit playing alongside some like Anthony Davis who can protect the rim & score from outside the paint but doesn't like banging in the paint (similar to KG letting Perkins do the dirty work in Boston). He can move his feet laterally so they would be able to play big against "small ball" lineups. Maybe once Eric Gordon comes off the books he could be an option for the Pelicans if he ends up signing a one year contract.

[SAGirl]

He isn't a great postup defender nor a shot blocker thus he has to be in the perfect system to be a max type player. He would be a good fit playing alongside some like Anthony Davis who can protect the rim & score from outside the paint but doesn't like banging in the paint (similar to KG letting Perkins do the dirty work in Boston). He can move his feet laterally so they would be able to play big against "small ball" lineups. Maybe once Eric Gordon comes off the books he could be an option for the Pelicans if he ends up signing a one year contract.
So many teams will have cap space that some guys will get money that otherwise would not be obtainable. There are only a few true max guys around, but many teams will have cap space. I cited Grizzlies, but realy I don't know their cap situation and they have to pay Conley. Just in general I think that a team can visualize him as filling a specific need, like a Reggie Jackson in Detroit. He's still young and has enough potential to continue to improve and maybe add some things to team's starving in the wing department. It has to be the right situation for him, but that is free agency.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi got these scrubs thinking they need to get paid too

[DMC]

That's like people from the 50's saying "I would never pay $3 a gallon for gas" because they are used to .87c per gallon. Well, they have no choice, that is the cost of gas now.

More like 25 cents a gallon. I was paying 65cents a gallon in the mid 80's. I'm sure in the 50's someone would have said "I am not paying 65 cents a gallon for gas" when they were making 50 cents an hour.

[cjw]

Since the Warriors are a "small ball" team they might be tempted to overpay him otherwise team looking for a traditional wing player need to stay away from Barnes.

Teams well over the cap need to keep overpaying their own guys because they can't replace them for the MLE (or if over the tax, the taxpayer MLE). Barnes will get what he wants, or close to it.

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with cjw that the Warriors are in a position where they will probably give Barnes whatever he wants, but he's just an above average player that has shown no consistency during his time in the league, tbh..he doesn't do anything at a high level, either..

[HarlemHeat37]

According to ST Thompson is scrub, Barnes is scrub, Draymond is scrub, Iggy is scrub, i guess Curry is the GOAT over MJ if he could take this team to a title...

Curry is the best PG of this generation, but this post is stupid, as usual for you:lol..the only thing people here say is that Thompson is overrated, which has been validated throughout his playoff career, where he has always been underwhelming(4th best player during their playoff run)..

[Spurtacular]

That's like people from the 50's saying "I would never pay $3 a gallon for gas" because they are used to .87c per gallon. Well, they have no choice, that is the cost of gas now.

That's an okay analogy; but we'll see if it ends up applying. $16 M for a fringe starter? If that's the new normal, then okay. We'll see.

And he turned that down, too? So, presumably he wants something more like 5 yrs / 95-100 mil. So, 19 mil for a not so great player?

[kobyz]

Curry is the best PG of this generation, but this post is stupid, as usual for you:lol..the only thing people here say is that Thompson is overrated, which has been validated throughout his playoff career, where he has always been underwhelming(4th best player during their playoff run)..

You also the op username right? Why you posting with two usernames in same thread? You also known by your arrogance that cause the spurs numerous games by jinxing them... I say start giving more respect to other teams not the spurs...

[DPG21920]

More like 25 cents a gallon. I was paying 65cents a gallon in the mid 80's. I'm sure in the 50's someone would have said "I am not paying 65 cents a gallon for gas" when they were making 50 cents an hour.

True - it was not a well researched analogy from a relative youngin'

[Sean Cagney]

There is a lot of crappy teams out there that will offer Barnes the max next year.

Yep, that or damn near it. He is smart.

[SAGirl]

Teams well over the cap need to keep overpaying their own guys because they can't replace them for the MLE (or if over the tax, the taxpayer MLE). Barnes will get what he wants, or close to it.
I hadn't thought about this. GSW will indeed pay him what he wants, they want to avoid restricted free agency for a reason. Matching $ could be worse. Portland even tried to pry away Kanter from OKC for 70 mill. There will be at least one team that will screw GSW over.

[CGD]

He'll get PAID next summer. No surprises. I think Hortford is the only decent PF in next summers crop, and generally, after KD, it's a fairly weak free agent class on a year when there is going to be an ass load of money out there.

[hater]

Like everyone else said. Even the most miserable scrub will get PAID next year and Barnes is a pretty good scrub.

No brainer

[Fireball]

hopefully that leads to some disorder within the Warriors ... although that's unlikely ...

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Barnes is a fringe player. He plays good D and he benefits from the double teams Curry constantly gets and on occasion Thompson. 4 yr/ 64mil is way overpriced for him. Warrriors can offer him this much b/c they can go over the cap to retain him. Other teams, this will be eating into their cap space.

[HarlemHeat37]

You also the op username right? Why you posting with two usernames in same thread? You also known by your arrogance that cause the spurs numerous games by jinxing them... I say start giving more respect to other teams not the spurs...

I don't have other usernames:lol..

I picked the Clippers over the Spurs in round 1, and I said the Warriors would easily win the title after I underestimated them in November, I was never confident about the Spurs chances following November, it became obvious they were burnt out..

[kobyz]

I don't have other usernames:lol..

I picked the Clippers over the Spurs in round 1, and I said the Warriors would easily win the title after I underestimated them in November, I was never confident about the Spurs chances following November, it became obvious they were burnt out..

You and your krew jinxed Kawhi big time and that's why we lost to the clippers and the another title...

[HarlemHeat37]

You and your krew jinxed Kawhi big time and that why we lost to the clippers and the another title...

Kawhi had a good series vs. the Clippers..he could have played better in the last couple of games, but Pop, Parker and Splitter's injury were much more significant reasons for the L..

[kobyz]

Kawhi had a good series vs. the Clippers..he could have played better in the last couple of games, but Pop, Parker and Splitter's injury were much more significant reasons for the L..

When you lose the series by one basket, there is no more significant reason for the loss than Kawhi shrinking and getting outplayed by Barnes...

[HarlemHeat37]

When you lose the series by one basket, there is no more significant reason for the loss than Kawhi shrinking and getting outplayed by Barnes...

That's a silly way to look at it, tbh..anyways, even if the Spurs had defeated the Clippers, there's no way a team with Parker playing so poorly, Manu being mostly a non-factor and Splitter being unable to move would have won a title, not to mention the fatigue from consecutive Finals runs..

[kobyz]

That's a silly way to look at it, tbh..anyways, even if the Spurs had defeated the Clippers, there's no way a team with Parker playing so poorly, Manu being mostly a non-factor and Splitter being unable to move would have won a title, not to mention the fatigue from consecutive Finals runs..

You forget the competition, very injured rockets and cavs, inexperienced with rookie coach and good matchup warriros, we had great chance, even some of our players publicly admitted that we missed great opportunity...

[TheCerebral1]

This is when NBA money just becomes ridiculous. A kid who barely averages 10PPG and while a useful part to his team turns down a guaranteed 16M per year salary, is a moron. What a joke.

[hater]

You and your krew jinxed Kawhi big time and that's why we lost to the clippers and the another title...

Boom.

Truth barrel bombing

[trypldubl]

You forget the competition, very injured rockets and cavs, inexperienced with rookie coach and good matchup warriros, we had great chance, even some of our players publicly admitted that we missed great opportunity...

Dude Harlem may troll every now and then but he is spot on in his assessment. The spurs were basically coming off the equivalent of 3 finals appearances. There is a reason why its hard for teams to get to the finals 4 straight years. The injuries to parker and splitter killed the team during that December gauntlet of games. Manu and Danny were playing pretty well during that stretch but they blew there load trying to keep the team afloat and the never seemed to recover, especially Manu. When the team played the Clips they were basically starting each half of each game playing 3 on 5 because Parker was ineffective and Splitter was hurt. I am sort of glad they lost in the first round. They needed the extra month of rest to recharge.

Even if they would have gotten past the clips they would have maybe beaten the Rocs. The Rocks were gassed by the end of that series. Parker would still have been parker and Splitter needed time to recover. If the team would have face G State, they would have probably been blow out because they would have been gassed. Yea they matched up well when healthy and rested but they would have lost.

[SuperCam]

You forget the competition, very injured rockets and cavs, inexperienced with rookie coach and good matchup warriros, we had great chance, even some of our players publicly admitted that we missed great opportunity...


This :tu

Dellavescuba was the 2nd best player on the eastern team in the finals. Spurs would have romped. Kawhi cost Tim two rings and counting

[SpursBig3s]

You forget the competition, very injured rockets and cavs, inexperienced with rookie coach and good matchup warriros, we had great chance, even some of our players publicly admitted that we missed great opportunity...

quit acting like you're spurs fan faggot:lol

[Brazil]

I had my moment with kobyz but he is on a roll lately throwing napalm on everybody asses :tu

[Brazil]

..he could have played better in the last couple of games...

that's a very nice way to say he played terrible last 3 games

I'm a Kawhi fan, he is future of the franchise, one of main contributor to Tim's fifth but he shat the bed against clips... overwhelmed by double teams, outplayed by Barnes, shot horribly last 3 games after playing great first 4 games...

He has been a significant part of losing against Clips even tho Parker takes the crown of the biggest reason.

Now I agree with your next post, Spurs would not have won another title last year.

[TD 21]

Good take. He's not indispensable to the warriors like Draymond was this summer. If someone wants him real bad and some team might, it could be the first of the championship core to go. A team like Grizzlies for example would improve a whole lot with a wing like that. Just throwing one out there of a lot of teams who could overpay bc there will be cap space and he fills a specific need. I think he's gone.

Tristan' s contract situation is more difficult. The guy is an elite hustle/rebounder, but then very limited in other areas. I don't think he's a max player and may be dissappointed to find that out after he moves on from Cleveland.

How would the Grizzlies "improve a whole lot", considering how similar he is to Green? They need a go to scorer/creator and that's exactly what he struggles with.

He probably is indispensable to the Warriors. The fact that he can space the floor, teams can't easily hide a weak perimeter defender on him and he can credibly guard both forward positions, in most match-ups, is a rare combination.

Thompson, on the other hand, the Cavs could get by without, if Varejao could get through a season relatively unscathed.

[kobyz]

Dude Harlem may troll every now and then but he is spot on in his assessment. The spurs were basically coming off the equivalent of 3 finals appearances. There is a reason why its hard for teams to get to the finals 4 straight years. The injuries to parker and splitter killed the team during that December gauntlet of games. Manu and Danny were playing pretty well during that stretch but they blew there load trying to keep the team afloat and the never seemed to recover, especially Manu. When the team played the Clips they were basically starting each half of each game playing 3 on 5 because Parker was ineffective and Splitter was hurt. I am sort of glad they lost in the first round. They needed the extra month of rest to recharge.

Even if they would have gotten past the clips they would have maybe beaten the Rocs. The Rocks were gassed by the end of that series. Parker would still have been parker and Splitter needed time to recover. If the team would have face G State, they would have probably been blow out because they would have been gassed. Yea they matched up well when healthy and rested but they would have lost.

I don't buy a lot of that, i still think it was a great oportonity to grind out another title by giving everything left and taking advantage of circumstances, chimestrry and momentum... and then Timmy and Manu could have been comfortable to call it career and retire, even i would have felt satisfy enough that Duncan and this group of Spurs achieve enough what they worth and to put ״6״ behind, could have been such amazing scenario...

[SAGirl]

How would the Grizzlies "improve a whole lot", considering how similar he is to Green? They need a go to scorer/creator and that's exactly what he struggles with.

He probably is indispensable to the Warriors. The fact that he can space the floor, teams can't easily hide a weak perimeter defender on him and he can credibly guard both forward positions, in most match-ups, is a rare combination.

Thompson, on the other hand, the Cavs could get by without, if Varejao could get through a season relatively unscathed.
I think that he's better than Jeff Green, quite simple. He can shoot better and Grizzlies need shooting badly. He could play some small ball for them better than Green can and he's younger with a strong work ethic and possibility to improve. He has played in a system with superstars that take a whole lot of attention from him and who can set him up for shots. The knock against his demands from GSW fans is precisely that he hasn't looked like a star when they have him playing with the bench. They scream roleplayer!!!!! And I don't disagree but players who can do what he does at 22 years old in a playoff team (heck! Championship team) have enormous value in the league. We saw Demarre Caroll get paid an He's much older (29?). 22 yr old Barnes will get interest from many teams after the top free agents have signed, an There is always the risk that while everyone is after Durant a frisky team will go hard after him. He will get paid. He's worth a lot more to the Warriors, but he's capable of improving several teams that need a starting level wing player with upside.

[TD 21]

I think that he's better than Jeff Green, quite simple. He can shoot better and Grizzlies need shooting badly. He could play some small ball for them better than Green can and he's younger with a strong work ethic and possibility to improve. He has played in a system with superstars that take a whole lot of attention from him and who can set him up for shots. The knock against his demands from GSW fans is precisely that he hasn't looked like a star when they have him playing with the bench. They scream roleplayer!!!!! And I don't disagree but players who can do what he does at 22 years old in a playoff team (heck! Championship team) have enormous value in the league. We saw Demarre Caroll get paid an He's much older (29?). 22 yr old Barnes will get interest from many teams after the top free agents have signed, an There is always the risk that while everyone is after Durant a frisky team will go hard after him. He will get paid. He's worth a lot more to the Warriors, but he's capable of improving several teams that need a starting level wing player with upside.

So do I, but they're similar players. More than shooting, the Grizzlies need a go to creator/scorer and that's not him.

Keep in mind, he's restricted, so even if someone maxes him out, they could still match if they want to.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't buy a lot of that, i still think it was a great oportonity to grind out another title by giving everything left and taking advantage of circumstances, chimestrry and momentum... and then Timmy and Manu could have been comfortable to call it career and retire, even i would have felt satisfy enough that Duncan and this group of Spurs achieve enough what they worth and to put ״6״ behind, could have been such amazing scenario...

Keep eating what "if" foo-foo with a side of wishful thinking. Do you not remember how the Spurs struggled against the Warriors in 2013 when Splitter was injured & Draymond Green was a nobody along w/ Iggy not being on their roster? Tony was playing at a high level back then & it took a miracle in GM 1, Curry twisting his ankle, Bogut being worn out & Splitter coming back for Gm 6 just for the team to escape w/ a series victory. The Warriors struggled against the Cavs mainly because Draymond Green was playing out of sorts ala Kawhi in Gm1/Gm2 of the 2014 Finals, once he turned it on & Iggy started hitting shots it was over for the Cavs. Folks are being too optimistic b/c of the Kawhi 7 steal game when the Warriors had already clinched & didn't give too much a fuck on both sides of the floor.

If you want to see what would have happened had the Spurs played the Warriors in the postseason then look no further than this regular season game when the Spurs were hobbling & Iggy was knocking down shots: VDh9FDdtLUg

[Kawhitstorm]

I think that he's better than Jeff Green, quite simple. He can shoot better and Grizzlies need shooting badly. He could play some small ball for them better than Green can and he's younger with a strong work ethic and possibility to improve. He has played in a system with superstars that take a whole lot of attention from him and who can set him up for shots. The knock against his demands from GSW fans is precisely that he hasn't looked like a star when they have him playing with the bench. They scream roleplayer!!!!! And I don't disagree but players who can do what he does at 22 years old in a playoff team (heck! Championship team) have enormous value in the league. We saw Demarre Caroll get paid an He's much older (29?). 22 yr old Barnes will get interest from many teams after the top free agents have signed, an There is always the risk that while everyone is after Durant a frisky team will go hard after him. He will get paid. He's worth a lot more to the Warriors, but he's capable of improving several teams that need a starting level wing player with upside.

Harrison Barnes isn't a shooter ala Demarre Carroll, Barnes simply can hit open shots to keep the defense honest & the majority of his shots happen to be WIDE OPEN b/c he the 4th/5th option. If the Grizz sign him to spread the floor then it's going to be a disaster. He's basically an undersized power-forward from the 80s who can knockdown open shots. Jeff Green on the other hand is a small forward that can't consistently knockdown open shots but can drop 30 on you when his shot is falling.

[NikosChelsea7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlNB3nOsBE

[Kawhitstorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIlNB3nOsBE

Big Dummy, back in November Tony was actually an above average point guard & the Warriors were still learning the ropes under a new coach.

[NikosChelsea7]

Big Dummy, back in November Tony was actually an above average point guard & the Warriors were still learning the ropes under a new coach. But , we were also playing without Splitter , Mills and Belinelli. Bonner played 24 minutes , Joseph played 20 and Baynes played 13 minutes. Anyway , I just posted this because you mentioned our 3rd game against the Warriors and posted a recap of the 2nd one , so I just wanted to post the highlights of our first game against them , that's all.

[SAGirl]

Harrison Barnes isn't a shooter ala Demarre Carroll, Barnes simply can hit open shots to keep the defense honest & the majority of his shots happen to be WIDE OPEN b/c he the 4th/5th option. If the Grizz sign him to spread the floor then it's going to be a disaster. He's basically an undersized power-forward from the 80s who can knockdown open shots. Jeff Green on the other hand is a small forward that can't consistently knockdown open shots but can drop 30 on you when his shot is falling.

Undersized Pf like a Paul Millsap have value if they can defend bigger guys and still be agile and quick to beat them on the other end, knocking a 3 pt shot, sprinting down court and making off the dribble plays. That was a big aspect of what helped GSW against guys like ZBo, who Barnes defended a lot. Obviously ZBo is old and what not, but he's still a bull that very few young guys of Barnes size can deal with. He's 22 and that is a big selling point. Not saying I am a big fan of his, frankly I don't watch many GSW games and for next year, other than Durant, I personally like Batum better among available SF. Still I can't deny Barnes value. GSW obviously want to avoid having to bargain with Barnes if he hits the restricted market. He may get too much or a poison pill contract from someone.

[Kawhitstorm]

But , we were also playing without Splitter , Mills and Belinelli. Bonner played 24 minutes , Joseph played 20 and Baynes played 13 minutes. Anyway , I just posted this because you mentioned our 3rd game against the Warriors and posted a recap of the 2nd one , so I just wanted to post the highlights of our first game against them , that's all.

I was aware of it but Splitter would have been unplayable against the Warriors & Patty/Belly would get murdered on defense. Back in the November game, Manu was the best bench player while Iggy was MIA, Curry didn't make a single 3 & got outplayed by Tony which is something that would have been far-fetched in the postseason.

The February game is a much better barometer as BOTH teams had all their horses & the Tony/Curry match-up turned out like it would have in the postseason along w/ Iggy showing up.

[exstatic]

Big Dummy, back in November Tony was actually an above average point guard & the Warriors were still learning the ropes under a new coach.

Big Dummy, they beat that Warrior ass 107-92 in April, too. That was two weeks before the playoffs began.

[Kawhitstorm]

Undersized Pf like a Paul Millsap have value if they can defend bigger guys and still be agile and quick to beat them on the other end, knocking a 3 pt shot, sprinting down court and making off the dribble plays. That was a big aspect of what helped GSW against guys like ZBo, who Barnes defended a lot. Obviously ZBo is old and what not, but he's still a bull that very few young guys of Barnes size can deal with. He's 22 and that is a big selling point. Not saying I am a big fan of his, frankly I don't watch many GSW games and for next year, other than Durant, I personally like Batum better among available SF. Still I can't deny Barnes value. GSW obviously want to avoid having to bargain with Barnes if he hits the restricted market. He may get too much or a poison pill contract from someone.

Millsap is stronger than Barnes, has an enormous wingspan & better offensive repertoires. Not to mention he's actually quicker than Barnes on defense, just watch Millsap guarding Lebron then compare it to Barnes trying to guard Lebron. Besidse, Barnes was getting help from Bogut when he was checking Z-Bo & actually Kerr made the switch b/c Bogut was a better help defender. Barnes had no chance against Tristan Thompson when he had to block him out & would get killed on the boards if he ever played stretch 4 as a starter.

[NikosChelsea7]

I was aware of it but Splitter would have been unplayable against the Warriors & Patty/Belly would get murdered on defense. Back in the November game, Manu was the best bench player while Iggy was MIA, Curry didn't make a single 3 & got outplayed by Tony which is something that would have been far-fetched in the postseason.

The February game is a much better barometer as BOTH teams had all their horses & the Tony/Curry match-up turned out like it would have in the postseason along w/ Iggy showing up.Well , I have to agree with that. Goodnight. :toast

[SAGirl]

Millsap is stronger than Barnes, has an enormous wingspan & better offensive repertoires. Not to mention he's actually quicker than Barnes on defense, just watch Millsap guarding Lebron then compare it to Barnes trying to guard Lebron. Besidse, Barnes was getting help from Bogut when he was checking Z-Bo & actually Kerr made the switch b/c Bogut was a better help defender. Barnes had no chance against Tristan Thompson when he had to block him out & would get killed on the boards if he ever played stretch 4 as a starter.

You some valid points here. I haven't watched GSW enough to dispute any of this. Barnes has looked good when I have watched him though and he's not a guy who you can afford to ignore on defense to stifle his teammates. He's also an integral part of what makes their switch defense workable. He's not the most important cog in that defense, but he's very valuable. It will be tough for GSW to replace him and they will be a weaker team without him. Iggy is also getting older whereas Barnes is young and far from a finished product at 22. He could be very important for that team in the future to continue at the level elite they have been. Their concern is that Barnes is not as good as Iggy and when they had Barnes playing as the centerpiece of their bench he wasn't as good, that is why they switched him w/ Iggy. Valid points too, but he has the leverage bc of the cap situation, his success and youth. I hardly think Tristan is a max player, and yet here he is wanting the max. These teams will have to overpay their guys to keep them next summer and they know it. I'm unsure on Barnes but he's versatile and young enough to get interest from someone. With rising cap and these two young guys being so young still, in Tristan's case being also a kind of sturdy ironman some teams may already be in their radar.

Edit: Tristan killed Millsap and pretty much everyone he encountered on the boards too. You sacrifice rebounding when you go small. A lesson learned by Pop in game 6 of 2013 finals. Th issue is can your team be so awesome at small ball as to pull that off? Hawks weren't. GsW was last year, although they did not face 2 of the best teamz thAt have given them trouble in Clippers and Spurs, and everyone avoided the Thunder who were not healthy. I don't think they repeat, but that is a subject for another thread.