Zach Lowe and Shane Battier: 90s ball was very simple and predictable

[HarlemHeat37]

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-lowe-post-podcast-shane-battier-on-borderline-hall-of-famers-small-ball-and-more/

On Lowe's podcast..just stating the obvious, tbh..

:lmao 90s ball
:lmao nostalgia
:lmao Heat-Knicks games
:lmao Reggie Miller being a franchise player
:lmao John Starks
:lmao old men in their 30s and 40s yearning for no-skill goons like Charlie Oakley
:lmao get off my lawn

[apalisoc_9]

Will listen to this tom...

Lowe is easily the best out there right now...

[Killakobe81]

Will listen to this tom...

Lowe is easily the best out there right now...

He is. He also think Spurs are the favorites once Aldridge adjusts, unlike some Spur fans ...

[HarlemHeat37]

He is. He also think Spurs are the favorites once Aldridge adjusts, unlike some Spur fans ...

Not even close with the way Parker looks and Ginobili's inability to play more than 20 minutes, tbh..

[baseline bum]

He is. He also think Spurs are the favorites once Aldridge adjusts, unlike some Spur fans ...

You can make the argument the Spurs are the best team, but I think Cleveland has to be the favorites since they'll only have to beat one good team en route to a title whereas the Spurs, Warriors, and Clippers will have to beat each other before getting to Cleveland.

[ambchang]

He is. He also think Spurs are the favorites once Aldridge adjusts, unlike some Spur fans ...

:lol. Did you even read the article you linked yourself?

[Killakobe81]

You can make the argument the Spurs are the best team, but I think Cleveland has to be the favorites since they'll only have to beat one good team en route to a title whereas the Spurs, Warriors, and Clippers will have to beat each other before getting to Cleveland.

pretty much what I said and Lowe says in the article ...

Yes, Amb I read's Lowe's stuff on the regular ...

[daslicer]

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-lowe-post-podcast-shane-battier-on-borderline-hall-of-famers-small-ball-and-more/

On Lowe's podcast..just stating the obvious, tbh..

:lmao 90s ball
:lmao nostalgia
:lmao Heat-Knicks games
:lmao Reggie Miller being a franchise player
:lmao John Starks
:lmao old men in their 30s and 40s yearning for no-skill goons like Charlie Oakley
:lmao get off my lawn

Oakley was actually a skilled player considering he was a great rebounder and defensive player. He also had a good mid range jumsphot that allowed him to average around 10-14 points. At his height of 6'9 he would be a very productive player in this current small ball era. If you want to talk about a no skill goon I would mention Perkins who is still in the league despite having no talent other then taking cheap shots.

[Buddy Mignon]

I have no interest in listening to a pussy that's never played. I'd rather listen to a pretty woman... that sucks too.

[Caltex2]

Oh here we go with the 90's bashing. And we need not open the can of worms about no skills goons, not with the amount that have played since the turn of the century.

That said, Heat-Knicks was brutal to watch but Suns-Sonics circa 1993 was a blast.

[ambchang]

It was predictable, that's why the league changed the rules to allow more offensive options and let players with marginal offensive skills be threats.

[TheGreatYacht]

So fucking predictable....

unlike nowadays.... Where James Harden either flops going to the paint, or flops taking a jumper. Curry can look like a faggot on estrogen one day, then he can look like a tranny another. Chimpbrook has two options when he goes to the paint, an uncontested layup or free throws if he gets touched.

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[Fabbs]

So fucking predictable....

unlike nowadays....
Aids Johnsons pampering was as sickening as Harden, Kobmes, Curry etc.

[lefty]

So fucking predictable....

unlike nowadays.... Where James Harden either flops going to the paint, or flops taking a jumper. Curry can look like a faggot on estrogen one day, then he can look like a tranny another. Chimpbrook has two options when he goes to the paint, an uncontested layup or free throws if he gets touched.

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:lmao today's NBA

[daslicer]

Oh here we go with the 90's bashing. And we need not open the can of worms about no skills goons, not with the amount that have played since the turn of the century.

That said, Heat-Knicks was brutal to watch but Suns-Sonics circa 1993 was a blast.

They were plenty of exciting playoff series during the 90's. The OP nitpicked when he picked the knicks-heat matchup to promote his anti-90's agenda. You had Rockets-Suns,Rockets-Sonics those were exciting series. I would say early 90's Blazers were an exciting playoff team to watch. 90's Blazers,Rockets,Suns,Sonics,Spurs,Jazz,Magic,Bulls , Knicks vs Pacers were all fun to watch.

[HarlemHeat37]

They were plenty of exciting playoff series during the 90's. The OP nitpicked when he picked the knicks-heat matchup to promote his anti-90's agenda. You had Rockets-Suns,Rockets-Sonics those were exciting series. I would say early 90's Blazers were an exciting playoff team to watch. 90's Blazers,Rockets,Suns,Sonics,Spurs,Jazz,Magic,Bulls , Knicks vs Pacers were all fun to watch.

http://i.imgur.com/8VFpVP3.gif

[lefty]

:lol thread backfired

[apalisoc_9]

- ISO BALL :lmao
- Majority of players are terrible at the most needed skill ( shooting) :lmao
- Kyle Anderson would dominate the 80's and 90's!
- Expansion Teams :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Nostalgia fans :lol

[Clipper Nation]

They were plenty of exciting playoff series during the 90's. The OP nitpicked when he picked the knicks-heat matchup to promote his anti-90's agenda. You had Rockets-Suns,Rockets-Sonics those were exciting series. I would say early 90's Blazers were an exciting playoff team to watch. 90's Blazers,Rockets,Suns,Sonics,Spurs,Jazz,Magic,Bulls , Knicks vs Pacers were all fun to watch.

I was going to respond, but I fell asleep halfway through this post, tbh. '90s ball is a more powerful cure for insomnia than Lunesta and Ambien combined.

[hitmanyr2k]

So fucking predictable....

unlike nowadays.... Where James Harden either flops going to the paint, or flops taking a jumper. Curry can look like a faggot on estrogen one day, then he can look like a tranny another. Chimpbrook has two options when he goes to the paint, an uncontested layup or free throws if he gets touched.

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The only thing missing in that picture is Richard Jefferson.

[apalisoc_9]

I was going to respond, but I fell asleep halfway through this post, tbh. '90s ball is a more powerful cure for insomnia than Lunesta and Ambien combined.

:l:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lm aomao

[hitmanyr2k]

- ISO BALL :lmao
- Majority of players are terrible at the most needed skill ( shooting) :lmao
- Kyle Anderson would dominate the 80's and 90's!
- Expansion Teams :lmao

Cmon, you have a guy on your team that airballs wide open layups for fuck sake :lol

[lefty]

Cmon, you have a guy on your team that airballs wide open layups for fuck sake :lol

:lmao pwned

[daslicer]

I was going to respond, but I fell asleep halfway through this post, tbh. '90s ball is a more powerful cure for insomnia than Lunesta and Ambien combined.

Trust me I feel the same way about the current Eastern conference. Can't think of any exciting team out in the East worth watching.

[apalisoc_9]

90's Bulls wouldn't even make it to the playoffs in todays east...

Look at this shitty ass team letting a 131lbs white American eat their shit...:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaAQZwN0yuU

Jimmer ferddete can't even get a full contract and he's better tha Hornacek

In comparison, Ferdette is 10X the athlete and the ball player


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAJ9eL3HOvs

90's :lmao

[hitmanyr2k]

90's Bulls wouldn't even make it to the playoffs in todays east...

Look at this shitty ass team letting a 131lbs white American eat their shit...:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaAQZwN0yuU


The fuck? You're making my point for me :lol Hornacek was a skilled player and he could actually DRIBBLE a basketball and create his own shot. He was a master at making off-balanced shots. But the guy on your team who can't dribble a basketball to save his life and airballs wide open layups/floaters is good for 10 million a year in this shitty era :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

These two pages sum up your 10 million dollar player. And Spurs fans were saying this dude took a discount :lol :lol :lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247307&page=14

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247307&page=15

[Caltex2]

I was going to respond, but I fell asleep halfway through this post, tbh. '90s ball is a more powerful cure for insomnia than Lunesta and Ambien combined.

Don't be jealous because you missed out on the most exciting player that ever played, someone I always rooted against.


Nostalgia fans :lol

The OP was started by a fan criticizing the 90's, we're just firing back. LOL at LeBron or Kobe being close to being considered GOAT. And this coming from a mild Jordan hater.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol a team with 2 White American players as 2/3 of their big 3 making consecutive Finals is pathetic, if we are being honest..there's a reason the NBA went from 25% White in the 80s to around 6% today IIRC..

This isn't baseball, tbh:lol..

I would bet my life that Patrick Beverley would easily beat John Stockton 1 on 1..

[daslicer]

:lol a team with 2 White American players as 2/3 of their big 3 making consecutive Finals is pathetic, if we are being honest..there's a reason the NBA went from 25% White in the 80s to around 6% today IIRC..

This isn't baseball, tbh:lol..

I would bet my life that Patrick Beverley would easily beat John Stockton 1 on 1..

Doubt it considering Stockton held his own consistently against a much superior player in Gary Payton who was also great defensive player.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao John Starks, poor man's Monta Ellis, being a 1st option on DK's biggest rival :lmao
:lmao Reggie Miller, the original Klay Thompson, the franchise player on DK's other biggest rival
:lmao Minimal media pressure and no social media, otherwise Dad Killer would have been in prison and Olajuwon would have been exposed as a pedophile
:lmao Karl Malone banging 12 year old girls
:lmao Shawn Kemp fat alcoholic with 20 kids
:lmao all the 90s stars going broke
:lmao Marv Albert in the bedroom
:lmao Sprewell choking his coach
:lmao Scottie Pippen refusing to enter the game on the last play of a playoff game because the shot wasn't going to him:lmao
:lmao goon and thug ball that White people loved because they enjoyed watching niggas hurt each other
:lmao Dad Killer punching teammates and playing a part in the murder of family members
:lmao White American players
:lmao boring post ups
:lmao mid-range jump shots :lmao
:lmao standard definition games and watching replays on VHS

[HarlemHeat37]

Man, tbh, can you imagine the backlash in the social media era if a bitch-made player pulled some shit like this? What kind of embarrassing, disgraceful shit is that?

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[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao Jordan at 40yrs old dropping 40 on Ron Artest, the toughest defender of the 2000's
:lmao A Billups led-team making the Finals, let alone winning it
:lmao Rashard Lewis being the 2nd banana on a Finals team
:lmao Lebron getting punked by Hibbert & the Pacers, scoring 7pts in a playoff game
:lmao JJ Barea going toe to toe with Team USA
:lmao Tyson Chandler, DPOY
:lmao a Blockbuster employee, Hassan Whiteside, getting 20/20 in today's NBA
:lmao A white midget in Dellavedova punking the MVP
:lmao Jamaal Magloire, Kyle Korver, & Jamal Mashburn, NBA All Stars in 2000's

[Infinite_limit]

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-lowe-post-podcast-shane-battier-on-borderline-hall-of-famers-small-ball-and-more/

On Lowe's podcast..just stating the obvious, tbh..

:lmao 90s ball
:lmao nostalgia
:lmao Heat-Knicks games
:lmao Reggie Miller being a franchise player
:lmao John Starks
:lmao old men in their 30s and 40s yearning for no-skill goons like Charlie Oakley
:lmao get off my lawn

Imagine MJ with gimmicks. . . . . . . .

[AlexJones]

:lmao Floyd Mayweather JR would probably get a couple of All-Star nods playing in the 90's NBA

[Infinite_limit]

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:lol Scrub galore

[Killakobe81]

:lmao John Starks, poor man's Monta Ellis, being a 1st option on DK's biggest rival :lmao
:lmao Reggie Miller, the original Klay Thompson, the franchise player on DK's other biggest rival
:lmao Minimal media pressure and no social media, otherwise Dad Killer would have been in prison and Olajuwon would have been exposed as a pedophile
:lmao Karl Malone banging 12 year old girls
:lmao Shawn Kemp fat alcoholic with 20 kids
:lmao all the 90s stars going broke
:lmao Marv Albert in the bedroom
:lmao Sprewell choking his coach
:lmao Scottie Pippen refusing to enter the game on the last play of a playoff game because the shot wasn't going to him:lmao
:lmao goon and thug ball that White people loved because they enjoyed watching niggas hurt each other
:lmao Dad Killer punching teammates and playing a part in the murder of family members
:lmao White American players
:lmao boring post ups
:lmao mid-range jump shots :lmao
:lmao standard definition games and watching replays on VHS

A funny list but be careful some will say this all part of your elevate Lebron plan. I dont agree with everything you say here especially your shots at MJ ... but folks here act as though if you say Mj has a flaw, it's sacrilege. Also The pippen thing doesnt get called out enough. Imagine if Russ, Harden, Dwight, cousins etc tried that in today's NBA?

Sorry didn't see the link you are right ...

[Killakobe81]

:lmao Jordan at 40yrs old dropping 40 on Ron Artest, the toughest defender of the 2000's
:lmao A Billups led-team making the Finals, let alone winning it
:lmao Rashard Lewis being the 2nd banana on a Finals team
:lmao Lebron getting punked by Hibbert & the Pacers, scoring 7pts in a playoff game
:lmao JJ Barea going toe to toe with Team USA
:lmao Tyson Chandler, DPOY
:lmao a Blockbuster employee, Hassan Whiteside, getting 20/20 in today's NBA
:lmao A white midget in Dellavedova punking the MVP
:lmao Jamaal Magloire, Kyle Korver, & Jamal Mashburn, NBA All Stars in 2000's

This also true. No great GOAT candidate not Magic, Kareem, Jordan, Lebron or even Tim is without some flaws or "scabs" on their resume. For some it's off court stuff but even Jordan is not flawless as a player. I think when the dust settles it's MJ who is the most consistently great and dominating, but people act as though he only played those 6 title years and make excuses for any of the times he came up short as player, person or team-mate.

But he is clearly the GOAT none of the above changes that.

[AlexJones]

:lol Harlem, ya heard about MLB "all time great" Yogi Berra dying?

I'm sure he could've been a great minor league baseball player in today's game :lmao

[ambchang]

:lmao John Starks, poor man's Monta Ellis, being a 1st option on DK's biggest rival :lmao

Leaders in FGA for the Knicks:
91-92 to 96-97 - Ewing
97-98 - Allan Houston

When was Starks ever the 1st option on the Knicks?


:lmao Reggie Miller, the original Klay Thompson, the franchise player on DK's other biggest rival

Reggie Miller high points in a season - 24.6
Klay Thomspon - 21.7 (so far)


:lmao Minimal media pressure and no social media, otherwise Dad Killer would have been in prison and Olajuwon would have been exposed as a pedophile

social media puts people in jail now? are courts held on Skype?


:lmao Karl Malone banging 12 year old girls Dwight Howard

:lmao Shawn Kemp fat alcoholic with 20 kids Dwight Howard, Baron Davis, Eddie Curry, Tony Parker.

:lmao all the 90s stars going broke because the 00s are still playing

:lmao Marv Albert in the bedroom Irrelevant

:lmao Sprewell choking his coach Bunch of soft sissies.

:lmao Scottie Pippen refusing to enter the game on the last play of a playoff game because the shot wasn't going to him:lmao Lebron refusing to play for a team because it's not loaded, and still wilted in 2011 with a loaded team.

:lmao goon and thug ball that White people loved because they enjoyed watching niggas hurt each other Check out 90s rap lyrics by prominent black artists.

:lmao Dad Killer punching teammates and playing a part in the murder of family members Mark Jackson bullying soft players as a coach. Serge Ibaka and Jackson threatening each other over Twitter.

:lmao White American players Tristan Thompson looking for max.

:lmao boring post ups Can't post up

:lmao mid-range jump shots :lmao No more jump shots

:lmao standard definition games and watching replays on VHS And yet those players took such a bland product to new heights in the 90s.

[testies]

I agree with Lowe.

And I say more; if Yugoslavia played in 92 Olympics, they'd beat "Dream" Team

[Clipper Nation]

Don't be jealous because you missed out on the most exciting player that ever played, someone I always rooted against.



The OP was started by a fan criticizing the 90's, we're just firing back. LOL at LeBron or Kobe being close to being considered GOAT. And this coming from a mild Jordan hater.
I didn't "miss out" on anything, I watched that shit. I'm just not blinded by nostalgia and media propaganda. '90s ball fucking sucked and was unwatchable 90% of the time. The only reason why people are convinced it wasn't is because the NBA is so bad at marketing that they still completely depend on a player who retired over a decade ago, and because the old media refuses to let go of their glory days (especially the salty former players who refuse to give today's players any credit for anything).

People complained at the time that it was a bad product because there wasn't enough scoring, but they still watched because it was the NBA. Much like how people complain about how biased the NFL's rules are in favor of offenses now, but we still watch because it's the NFL.

[Killakobe81]

Don't be jealous because you missed out on the most exciting player that ever played, someone I always rooted against.



The OP was started by a fan criticizing the 90's, we're just firing back. LOL at LeBron or Kobe being close to being considered GOAT. And this coming from a mild Jordan hater.

Who is saying either is GOAT. Lebron did have a chance and he had the physical chance to do it just like shaq did but Shaq failed and Lebron most likely has as well

[Infinite_limit]

I didn't "miss out" on anything, I watched that shit. I'm just not blinded by nostalgia and media propaganda. '90s ball fucking sucked and was unwatchable 90% of the time. The only reason why people are convinced it wasn't is because the NBA is so bad at marketing that they still completely depend on a player who retired over a decade ago, and because the old media refuses to let go of their glory days (especially the salty former players who refuse to give today's players any credit for anything).

People complained at the time that it was a bad product because there wasn't enough scoring, but they still watched because it was the NBA. Much like how people complain about how biased the NFL's rules are in favor of offenses now, but we still watch because it's the NFL.
The mistake you are making

More scoring = Better product

Is not working in the NFL either. First and foremost people want PHYSICALITY. They want to see players putting their bodies on the line. They don't want to see Millionaires smiling and dancing on the court. WE are the reason the NBA exists and WE are the ones housing/feeding these players. This fact is lost in the current NBA where the players put their wealth above the game. I would wager to say many if not most NBA players do not give 1 shit about the Fans or their cities. They treat each other [their opponents] as a special Club and we are the suckers paying to watch

[spurraider21]

:lol Harlem, ya heard about MLB "all time great" Yogi Berra dying?

I'm sure he could've been a great minor league baseball player in today's game :lmao
read: "daddy! can you pay attention to me! i'm agreeing with you! please acknowledge!!"

[Clipper Nation]

The mistake you are making

More scoring = Better product

Is not working in the NFL either. First and foremost people want PHYSICALITY. They want to see players putting their bodies on the line. They don't want to see Millionaires smiling and dancing on the court. WE are the reason the NBA exists and WE are the ones housing/feeding these players. This fact is lost in the current NBA where the players put their wealth above the game. I would wager to say many if not most NBA players do not give 1 shit about the Fans or their cities. They treat each other [their opponents] as a special Club and we are the suckers paying to watch
I'm not saying that more scoring automatically means a better product. I'm just pointing out that people complained about the low-scoring games at the time.

Also, there's a happy medium. I'm not saying every game has to be 190-189, but the 60-45 scores of the '90s didn't exactly make for thrilling games either. Iso-chucking on offense and hard fouls being passed off as "defense" amounts to a trash product.

And let's not pretend that players weren't all about the money in the '90s. Just look at the contracts DK was signing on a year-to-year basis in his late prime. Actual quote from Shaq when he signed with the Lakers: "I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok."

[Seventyniner]

Not even close with the way Parker looks and Ginobili's inability to play more than 20 minutes, tbh..

So you don't think an elite frontcourt and coach can drag a subpar backcourt across the finish line? The 2009-2010 Lakers say hi.

[Killakobe81]

So you don't think an elite frontcourt and coach can drag a subpar backcourt across the finish line? The 2009-2010 Lakers say hi.

Pau was elite Bynum and Odom were very good players but let's not get crazy. And there is no one in the spurs current backcourt as good as Kobe was for those Lakers teams. People forget (i just watched the replays on NBATV) Bynum wasnt even healthy in 2010 and was just getting back to strength in 2009. And Ariza was great role player for us but far from "elite". Odom was versatile but could not shoot conistnetly or go "right". Freaking gortat drew two charges on Lamr in limited mins in the deciding game (5) of the 2009 NBA finals ...Fish though was uber clutch but I would say he Vuacic and Farmar were subpar ...but fish made as many clutch plays as Kobe or Pau.

That Laker team was very good well coached but the NBA was in a lax period. No way should that Lakers team win backtoback but Lebron wasnt ready, Spurs had to reforge themselves and Celts were falling apart. I give us credit for taking advantage but maybe only the repeat Rox as weak of a repat team in the modern NBA ... and I would still take them over us ... Kobe would of dominated those guards but Hakeem would of shit all over our bigs even Pau. But hey maybe or modern training diet and metrics would give us the edge over clutch city ...

:lol

[Seventyniner]

Pau was elite Bynum and Odom were very good players but let's not get crazy. And there is no one in the spurs current backcourt as good as Kobe was for those Lakers teams. People forget (i just watched the replays on NBATV) Bynum wasnt even healthy in 2010 and was just getting back to strength in 2009. And Ariza was great role player for us but far from "elite". Odom was versatile but could not shoot conistnetly or go "right". Freaking gortat drew two charges on Lamr in limited mins in the deciding game (5) of the 2009 NBA finals ...Fish though was uber clutch but I would say he Vuacic and Farmar were subpar ...but fish made as many clutch plays as Kobe or Pau.

That Laker team was very good well coached but the NBA was in a lax period. No way should that Lakers team win backtoback but Lebron wasnt ready, Spurs had to reforge themselves and Celts were falling apart. I give us credit for taking advantage but maybe only the repeat Rox as weak of a repat team in the modern NBA ... and I would still take them over us ... Kobe would of dominated those guards but Hakeem would of shit all over our bigs even Pau. But hey maybe or modern training diet and metrics would give us the edge over clutch city ...

:lol

If we move Kobe to the frontcourt the comparison becomes better. Then we're comparing Ariza to Green, who have similar roles. Kobe (then) > Kawhi (now), Pau > LMA and Duncan > Bynum, etc.

[angrydude]

They changed the rules to make it easier to score because once all the great ones retired scoring was down because everyone else was shit.

[lefty]

:lmao Jordan at 40yrs old dropping 40 on Ron Artest, the toughest defender of the 2000's
:lmao A Billups led-team making the Finals, let alone winning it
:lmao Rashard Lewis being the 2nd banana on a Finals team
:lmao Lebron getting punked by Hibbert & the Pacers, scoring 7pts in a playoff game
:lmao JJ Barea going toe to toe with Team USA
:lmao Tyson Chandler, DPOY
:lmao a Blockbuster employee, Hassan Whiteside, getting 20/20 in today's NBA
:lmao A white midget in Dellavedova punking the MVP
:lmao Jamaal Magloire, Kyle Korver, & Jamal Mashburn, NBA All Stars in 2000's


Leaders in FGA for the Knicks:
91-92 to 96-97 - Ewing
97-98 - Allan Houston

When was Starks ever the 1st option on the Knicks?



Reggie Miller high points in a season - 24.6
Klay Thomspon - 21.7 (so far)



social media puts people in jail now? are courts held on Skype?

Dwight Howard
Dwight Howard, Baron Davis, Eddie Curry, Tony Parker.
because the 00s are still playing
Irrelevant
Bunch of soft sissies.
Lebron refusing to play for a team because it's not loaded, and still wilted in 2011 with a loaded team.
Check out 90s rap lyrics by prominent black artists.
Mark Jackson bullying soft players as a coach. Serge Ibaka and Jackson threatening each other over Twitter.
Tristan Thompson looking for max.
Can't post up
No more jump shots
And yet those players took such a bland product to new heights in the 90s.

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[apalisoc_9]

:lmao John Starks, poor man's Monta Ellis, being a 1st option on DK's biggest rival :lmao
:lmao Reggie Miller, the original Klay Thompson, the franchise player on DK's other biggest rival
:lmao Minimal media pressure and no social media, otherwise Dad Killer would have been in prison and Olajuwon would have been exposed as a pedophile
:lmao Karl Malone banging 12 year old girls
:lmao Shawn Kemp fat alcoholic with 20 kids
:lmao all the 90s stars going broke
:lmao Marv Albert in the bedroom
:lmao Sprewell choking his coach
:lmao Scottie Pippen refusing to enter the game on the last play of a playoff game because the shot wasn't going to him:lmao
:lmao goon and thug ball that White people loved because they enjoyed watching niggas hurt each other
:lmao Dad Killer punching teammates and playing a part in the murder of family members
:lmao White American players
:lmao boring post ups
:lmao mid-range jump shots :lmao
:lmao standard definition games and watching replays on VHS

Harlem with the KO.

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[Kidd K]

:lmao @ all the dumb dipshits in this thread who haven't even watched basketball even a decade ago talking about basketball from two decades ago and claiming it sucked.

Go change your diapers kids. Your posts stink like shit.

[benefactor]

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:lol...is that the ref?

[Ignignokt]

I have no interest in listening to a pussy that's never played. I'd rather listen to a pretty woman... that sucks too.

naruto does cause loneliness

[lefty]

OP right now

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[HI-FI]

OP right now

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:lol
been killing it with the gifs

[Caltex2]

I'm not saying that more scoring automatically means a better product. I'm just pointing out that people complained about the low-scoring games at the time.

Also, there's a happy medium. I'm not saying every game has to be 190-189, but the 60-45 scores of the '90s didn't exactly make for thrilling games either. Iso-chucking on offense and hard fouls being passed off as "defense" amounts to a trash product.

And let's not pretend that players weren't all about the money in the '90s. Just look at the contracts DK was signing on a year-to-year basis in his late prime. Actual quote from Shaq when he signed with the Lakers: "I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok."

60-45, LOL. There were a few 69-65's and the like and the Heat were involved in more than their share of those but there were also a lot of 130-108's.

Not that I like to remind you of a team losing a 3-1 lead to the Rockets (well, maybe I do just a little) but look at the 1995 semifinals between the Rockets and Suns. There wasn't a single game where both teams didn't combine to score over 200 points. As a matter of fact, it only happened five times during the entire championship run.

Just because a few teams uglied it up (like the Cavs under Mike Fratello, ugh) doesn't mean the whole decade was bad.

[Caltex2]

They changed the rules to make it easier to score because once all the great ones retired scoring was down because everyone else was shit.

I'm pro-90's nostalgia but I gotta call BS on this. Look at some of the scores from the 1998 NBA Finals with the greatest player in NBA history, Stockton and Malone.

87-86
83-81
88-85 (in OT!)
96-54 (!)

The great players of the 80's and 90's were hampered by coaches looking to stop them, either with harsh/stifling/fouling defense or slowing the ball and game down, which is why they enacted the new rules.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol a team with 2 White American players as 2/3 of their big 3 making consecutive Finals is pathetic, if we are being honest..there's a reason the NBA went from 25% White in the 80s to around 6% today IIRC..

This isn't baseball, tbh:lol..

I would bet my life that Patrick Beverley would easily beat John Stockton 1 on 1..

Patrick Beverley is a 38% shooter you buffoon.

[djohn2oo8]

Leaders in FGA for the Knicks:
91-92 to 96-97 - Ewing
97-98 - Allan Houston

When was Starks ever the 1st option on the Knicks?



Reggie Miller high points in a season - 24.6
Klay Thomspon - 21.7 (so far)



social media puts people in jail now? are courts held on Skype?

Dwight Howard
Dwight Howard, Baron Davis, Eddie Curry, Tony Parker.
because the 00s are still playing
Irrelevant
Bunch of soft sissies.
Lebron refusing to play for a team because it's not loaded, and still wilted in 2011 with a loaded team.
Check out 90s rap lyrics by prominent black artists.
Mark Jackson bullying soft players as a coach. Serge Ibaka and Jackson threatening each other over Twitter.
Tristan Thompson looking for max.
Can't post up
No more jump shots
And yet those players took such a bland product to new heights in the 90s.

Ambchang kicking Harlem right in the turdcutter.

[djohn2oo8]

Today's players don't have the mental fortitude. Example: LeBron taking two weeks off during the season because his HGH ran out :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

^^Those are mostly terrible arguments, tbh..I don't respond to ambchang anymore, though, he's like ChumpDumper with more words..shit, responding to White people enjoying watching niggas hurt each other with "rap lyrics"? :lol that's just silly..

:lmao mental fortitude:lmao..such a vanilla argument..Pippen quitting on the final play of a playoff game because the gw wasn't called for him is the most "mentally weak" moment in league history..Lebron taking 2 weeks off? What about Dad Killer taking 2 fucking years off:lol..mentally weak like getting fucked in the ass and getting AIDS? Pathetic..

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao Tim Hardaway's weak-ass crossover being the gold standard

[djohn2oo8]

^^Those are mostly terrible arguments, tbh..I don't respond to ambchang anymore, though, he's like ChumpDumper with more words..shit, responding to White people enjoying watching niggas hurt each other with "rap lyrics"? :lol that's just silly..

:lmao mental fortitude:lmao..such a vanilla argument..Pippen quitting on the final play of a playoff game because the gw wasn't called for him is the most "mentally weak" moment in league history..Lebron taking 2 weeks off? What about Dad Killer taking 2 fucking years off:lol..mentally weak like getting fucked in the ass and getting AIDS? Pathetic..
You already know why Jordan took two years off. Yet and still wanted to play every game. Unlike today's players who are resting on back to backs in their prime. Then you have LeBron who wants a shorter season because one of his only skills, running over people, tires him out before the playoffs. :lol soft faggots getting tired in the regular season.

:lol today's NBA

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

All of these guys in the NBA today are supposed to be superior athletes but cry and rest about back to backs and want a shortened season. Crofl.

[Kawhitstorm]

Players that were All-NBA in the 90s/2000s
-Iverson
-Kobe
-Shaq
-KG
-Duncan
-Kidd
-Payton
-G.Hill
-Malone
-Alonzo
-Marbury
-Admiral
-Webber
-Carter

[Killakobe81]

Look I like Lowe but of course they would talk about 90's ball. Both are analytic lovers , Battier is one of the first players I have heard of that used them extensively. Nothing is wrong with metrics. It makes Lowe a better writer and helped battier forge a career greater than his talent ...

But gotta take their opinions on this with a grain of salt just like you have to take the MJ era writers opinions in the MJ/Lebron debate the same way. I of course am Squarely MJ over LeBeon but woul have LOVEd to seen the debate if James could have made it to 5 or 6 rings. Those guys would have a fit.

I am of the camp that MJ is GOAT but not in the camp that James could not pass him. He had the talent, ...I just dont think he was mentally tough or as driven (sociopathical?) enough to get there. But someday someone will surpass him I kind of wanted James to (after Kobe failed) just for the butthurt it would cause but James failed me ...

[Clipper Nation]

Today's players don't have the mental fortitude. Example: LeBron taking two weeks off during the season because his HGH ran out :lol
DK took two years off during his prime because of his gambling addiction :lol

[ambchang]

^^Those are mostly terrible arguments, tbh..I don't respond to ambchang anymore, though, he's like ChumpDumper with more words..shit, responding to White people enjoying watching niggas hurt each other with "rap lyrics"? :lol that's just silly..

Hilarious how you would say terrible arguments on one hand, then talk about the weakest of all your argument, which had no proof, and nothing to back up.

You want to talk about how Whites enjoyed Blacks hurting each other in the paint in the 90s?

Then see how many prominent black artists were rapping about basketball and the paint area where their brothers were hurting each other, glorifying it in fact.


I got next you wanna run with me homey
Well I don't need players in the paint that can't do nothing for me


Steppin' into the jam and I'm slammin' like Shaquille


I’m slamming n***as like Shaquille, s**t is real /When it’s time to eat a meal, I rob and steal


Rebounding, outstanding, no one surrounding / I’m screwing and doing like I was Ewing / The only one soaring and scoring is Jordan / He must of had his Wheaties this morning

So now what? Brothers like seeing black folks hurting each other in the paint?


:lmao mental fortitude:lmao..such a vanilla argument..Pippen quitting on the final play of a playoff game because the gw wasn't called for him is the most "mentally weak" moment in league history..Lebron taking 2 weeks off? What about Dad Killer taking 2 fucking years off:lol..mentally weak like getting fucked in the ass and getting AIDS? Pathetic..

Players craving to be in the centre stage and throwing hissy fits is not professional, it's not being mentally weak. You should have at least used the Pistons migraine game as an example. As opposed to today's superstar who plays hot potato with the ball in the last second. Who's the clutchest guy in the last 15 years? Dirk? Ginobili? Both foreign born white players, which is an entire race you try to denigrate. Kobe, who shoots 25% from the field in clutch situations, NEVER making a clutch shot in the WCF and F is your face of clutch in this era? Compared to Jordan, Bird, West, Gar Heard, Horry, and others who have no hesitation shooting the rock, AND making it, in pressure situations.

As for Jordan, he got suspended for his gambling (rumour), and that isn't mentally weak, he flaunted his power and dared the authorities to touch him.

[Caltex2]

DK took two years off during his prime because of his gambling addiction :lol

Father Setter Upper took them off because the league needed him to lay low because of all the media scrutiny over his father and gambling. I'm also open to the idea he didn't want to personally deal with it because of his emotional makeup, losing his dad just before the season and the media scrutiny that would follow.

[lefty]

If DK didnt retire in 94-95, the Rockets would have c-stomped the Bulls tbh

[Infinite_limit]

If DK didnt retire in 94-95, the Rockets would have c-stomped the Bulls tbh
Otis Thorpe as the 2nd leading scorer is frightening

[djohn2oo8]

Otis Thorpe as the 2nd leading scorer is frightening

Otis Thorpe was traded that year.

[Caltex2]

No, Thorpe was there in 1994. He was traded on Valentine's Day in 1995 for Clyde Drexler et al.

The Rockets had essentially the same roster the previous three seasons and were a matchup nightmare for the Bulls. And who cares if Otis Thorpe was the second leading scorer, they still won the title that year. Would you rather lose in the first round with DWade as your second leading scorer?

[z0sa]

Less predictable than the shitposters in this thread

[Pelicans78]

A funny list but be careful some will say this all part of your elevate Lebron plan. I dont agree with everything you say here especially your shots at MJ ... but folks here act as though if you say Mj has a flaw, it's sacrilege. Also The pippen thing doesnt get called out enough. Imagine if Russ, Harden, Dwight, cousins etc tried that in today's NBA?

Sorry didn't see the link you are right ...

There was a huge backlash against Pippen.

[Pelicans78]

DK took two years off during his prime because of his gambling addiction :lol

Or maybe he felt he had nothing to prove after winning 3 straight rings.

[Killakobe81]

There was a huge backlash against Pippen.

Define huge? Yes, some old school writers did call him out ...but overall Pippenhas lost little favor with most NBa fans ..in fact, his tea-bag dunk on Pippen, his mailmen dont deliver on Sunday line to Karl Malone get way more play in the story of his Legacy.

Time have just changed. HArlem is right with twitter, forums like this one the backlash would have been exponential.

[ambchang]

Define huge? Yes, some old school writers did call him out ...but overall Pippenhas lost little favor with most NBa fans ..in fact, his tea-bag dunk on Pippen, his mailmen dont deliver on Sunday line to Karl Malone get way more play in the story of his Legacy.

Time have just changed. HArlem is right with twitter, forums like this one the backlash would have been exponential.

Pippen's migrane game and his refusal to enter the game defined him, and it made Jordan look even better because it "proved" that Pippen is not a leader and need Jordan to babysit him.

[Killakobe81]

Pippen's migrane game and his refusal to enter the game defined him, and it made Jordan look even better because it "proved" that Pippen is not a leader and need Jordan to babysit him.

It did by hard core fans. Casual fans, most of the media I think have given him a pass. This can not be proven it's just an opinion. Let's say Wade or Lebron did this for the Heatles it would have set the internet on fire.

[ambchang]

It did by hard core fans. Casual fans, most of the media I think have given him a pass. This can not be proven it's just an opinion. Let's say Wade or Lebron did this for the Heatles it would have set the internet on fire.

Granted one of them happened 20 years ago, and the other one would be today.

Lebron still get those "not 2, not 3 .....", and "taking my talents" jokes thrown at him here and there, but nothing more vicious than Pippen not willing to check in.

[Killakobe81]

Granted one of them happened 20 years ago, and the other one would be today.

Lebron still get those "not 2, not 3 .....", and "taking my talents" jokes thrown at him here and there, but nothing more vicious than Pippen not willing to check in.

Different won was born from hubris (LeBron) the other was false, wounded pride (Pip)

My point is I have seen here and other places Pippen mentioned as the GOAt sidekick and this isnt brought up. Granted he was the Alpha, #1 when he pulled this crap not a #2 ...just feel as former coach it's one of the worst acts of insubordination and was potentially more damaging than anything Rodman, Jr. rider, ricky davis or plenty malcontents have done to undermine a coach and sabotage his own team. I used to coach. Sprewell and Artest actions were worse but outside of crazy stuff like that, a player refusing to enter a game is pretty damn low.

However, Phil and eventually MJ smoothed that out. It's funny we hear so much of him speaking on Lebron vs. Mj etc. Why doesnt he speak more about that?

[ambchang]

Different won was born from hubris (LeBron) the other was false, wounded pride (Pip)

My point is I have seen here and other places Pippen mentioned as the GOAt sidekick and this isnt brought up. Granted he was the Alpha, #1 when he pulled this crap not a #2 ...just feel as former coach it's one of the worst acts of insubordination and was potentially more damaging than anything Rodman, Jr. rider, ricky davis or plenty malcontents have done to undermine a coach and sabotage his own team. I used to coach. Sprewell and Artest actions were worse but outside of crazy stuff like that, a player refusing to enter a game is pretty damn low.

However, Phil and eventually MJ smoothed that out. It's funny we hear so much of him speaking on Lebron vs. Mj etc. Why doesnt he speak more about that?

No question it was a horrible act of insubordination, and part of that has to do with the Kukoc situation, which was really the root of the entire Pippen hissy fit, but to say him refusing to enter the game is more damaging than what Rodman, Rider and Davis did with their prolonged locker room issues could be stretching it.

Jackson and MJ smoothed it out because they both hated Krause, and especially this entire thing about Kukoc being the saviour and stuff. Both Jordan and Pippen went out of their way to embarrass Kukoc in Barcelona to prove a point.

Not sure about why Pippen speaks more about Lebron than Jordan, perhaps Jordan's assholeness ticked off Pippen?

Finally, Pippen is no question one of the GOAT sidekicks. It's between him, McHale, Kobe, and Magic.

[lefty]

GOAT sidekicks. Kobe, and Magic.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57968533.jpg

[unleashbaynes]

OP wants lebron to be the goat so badly but the only way to rationalize it is to bash DK's :cry easy era :cry

Lebron shouldn't have been such a bitch it's that simple.