Eid Mubarak Muslim Spurs Fans

[turkish spurs fan]

don't forget people in need.

let's see how many muslims here :hat

[turkish spurs fan]

is shaq muslim ?

[Brian Windhorst]

I made a clock one time

[apalisoc_9]

EID MUBARAK

m>s

seriously though op, legit question...I knew a turkish girl a few years ago that I thought was non-muslim...Srs...She looked so slutty and I wanted to penetrate her. She added me on FB and and I ended up adding some of her girlfriends too. Why do they always use Islamic phrases and shit..probably way more than any Muslim I know but most of them hardly practice.:lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Eid al-Fitr was what... two months ago? :huh

[hater]

Cheers.

Round of tequila shots for all... :tu

[m>s]

don't forget people in need.

let's see how many muslims here :hat
Muhammad was a pedophile and a pigfucker repent now for your sins and find Jesus

[apalisoc_9]

OP, ignore M>S..

He has an sig of an individual that committed genocide. :lol

[Kuestmaster]

Islam is stupid.

[Ignignokt]

OP, ignore M>S..

He has an sig of an individual that committed genocide. :lol

unlike the prophet, amirite?

[hater]

Lots of intolerant folks are spursfans. That's what I learned from this thread :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

let's see how many muslims here :hat

WE WILL SEE.

[monkeypunk]

Muhammad was a pedophile and a pigfucker repent now for your sins and find Jesus


Islam is stupid.

All religion is. It's for weak minded fools that have to be told what to do or animals that need an excuse to do amazingly awful shit.

How about everyone just do the right thing because it's the right fucking thing.

Oh and Islam, at the very least stop fucking little kids as part of your religion, please and thank you.

[Brian Windhorst]

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[SpursIndonesia]

don't forget people in need.

let's see how many muslims here :hat

Eid Mubarak to you too, fella. :) Not too fond with mammal slaughtering fest tomorrow, but that's just part of the faith.

[Pelicans78]

Eid Mubarak to you too, fella. :) Not too fond with mammal slaughtering fest tomorrow, but that's just part of the faith.

Abraham started it.

[RD2191]

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:lmao

[K...]

All religion is. It's for weak minded fools that have to be told what to do or animals that need an excuse to do amazingly awful shit.

How about everyone just do the right thing because it's the right fucking thing.

Oh and Islam, at the very least stop fucking little kids as part of your religion, please and thank you.

Funny you talk about child sexual abuse when the Pope is on town. Lol.

[turkish spurs fan]

i'll just ignore offensive and evil minded posts ¯\(ツ)/¯

[spurraider21]

i'll just ignore offensive and evil minded posts ¯\(ツ)/¯
so do you ignore everything erdogan says?

[hater]

Funny you talk about child sexual abuse when the Pope is on town. Lol.

:lol

[turkish spurs fan]

Eid Mubarak to you too, fella. :) Not too fond with mammal slaughtering fest tomorrow, but that's just part of the faith.

thank u bro.
all over world, everyone kill animals and mostly in west.
for ex: meat consumption per person per year, usa: 124.8 kg, turkey: 19.3 kg
probably animals in usa are not killed but their meat eaten :king
we take 1/3 of meat to us, give 1/3 to our relatives and neighbours, 1/3 people in need (poor). i think this is good.

[Horry Hipcheck]

All religion is. It's for weak minded fools that have to be told what to do or animals that need an excuse to do amazingly awful shit.

[gameFACE]

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[ismael-robert]

Dear Muslim,

Assalamu alaikum

The Gospel of Jesus is Good News. That is what "gospel" means in Greek, the original language of the New Testament. It is the good news because Jesus has fulfilled the requirements of keeping the Law so that through Jesus we can receive the complete forgiveness of our sins. By Jesus keeping the Law of God the Father perfectly and by His dying and rising from the dead as proof that His good life was acceptable to God, Jesus has made it possible for people to receive the free and complete gift of salvation by faith.

Our father Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness (Gen. 15:6). It was his faith in God that made Abraham righteous before God--not keeping the law and not keeping the commandments. He couldn't do it perfectly.

The Law of God is perfect because God is perfect. The Law is a reflection of the character of God. It is wrong to lie because lying is against God's character. It is wrong to steal because stealing is against God's character. That is why the Law tells us what is wrong. The Law is based on God's holy character. This is why God's law is not arbitrary. It is there for a reason. Though the Law is good and perfect, no man can keep it perfectly.

Jesus taught us that to even look on a woman with lust in your heart is to commit adultery with her (Matt. 5:27-28). You see, the Law of God is not simply to govern actions. It is for our hearts and attitudes. Purity of heart is what God wants from us--purity of heart down to the deepest part of our being. Why? Because God's heart is the Purest and Most Holy of all, and since the Law was spoken by Him and came from Him, the Law is Perfect and Holy. That is the level of perfection you must have when trying to keep the Law. You must be perfect and without sin in order to stand before an infinite and holy God.

However, we are not able to keep the Law. We sin. We fail. The Law says do not lie and shows us where we lie--in our very hearts. It says do not commit adultery and shows us where we commit adultery--in our hearts. The Law of God is perfect. We are not. God is perfect and Holy. We are not. We are not able to keep the Law of God because we are finite, limited, and affected by sin. So we have to ask, how can anyone ever hope to please God through keeping the Law? How can anyone ever hope to please God and attain Heaven by doing good deeds? It is not ourselves that we must please but a Holy and Pure God.

The Good News
The Good News is that you do not have to try to keep the Law of God in order to please Him and go to Heaven. You do not have to try to raise yourself to the level of God's Perfection by trying to keep His Holy and Perfect Law. You cannot do that. If you thought you could, then your heart is full of pride and sin since you would be thinking you are as perfect and good as God's holy character. You cannot keep God's law perfectly. This is impossible, but what is impossible with us is possible with Jesus. He kept all the Law perfectly and never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22).

Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friends," (John 15:13). Jesus laid his life down for his friends. Jesus performed the greatest act of love. He died for our sins. He paid the penalty of breaking the Law, which is death. Remember that sin brings damnation, but Jesus took our sins and took death upon Himself. In other words, He took our place. In doing this, He also bore our sins in His body on the cross as it says in 1 Pet. 2:24. This great act of love is unsurpassed in all the world. It is unsurpassed in Islam because in the Koran, the greatest act of love, dying for another, is not performed by God. But in the Bible, it is. Jesus is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity, who became one of us, suffered at the hands of sinful men, died on the cross, and rose from the dead. Therefore, the promise of God is that all who trust in Jesus will, like Abraham, be made righteous before God by faith (Gen. 15:6).

In the Quran it says in Surah 23:101-103, "Then when the Trumpet is blown, there will be no more relationships between them that Day, nor will one ask after another! 102 Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy, they will attain salvation: 103 But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls, in Hell will they abide."

Are you tired of trying to keep all the Laws in Islam as you strive to do more good deeds than bad deeds in the hope that on the Day of Judgment your good deeds will outweigh your bad? You see, because you earn in large part your salvation by your works, you cannot know whether or not you will be saved. If you are tired of trying to be perfect, tired of trying to obtain Paradise through your efforts and you realize that you are not good enough, then you need Jesus. Jesus said, "If any of you are heavy laden, come to me, and I will give you rest," (Matt. 11:28).

Jesus forgave sins in Luke 5:20 and 7:48-49. He walked on water (Matt. 14:25). He rose from the dead (Matt. 28:6). Have you done more than Jesus in keeping the Law or performing miracles? Has even the Prophet Muhammad done more than Jesus? No, he has not.

The Good News is that you, like Abraham, can be made righteous by faith. Do you want the righteousness that is by faith? Or, do you want to earn Paradise through your deeds? Can you earn it? Have you done it so far? Have you been doing enough good to be saved?

Jesus said:

that He gives eternal life, (John 10:28-30).
that He received all authority in heaven and earth, (Matt. 28:18).
that He is the Way the Truth and The Life, (John 14:6).
that He will resurrect people on the Last Day, (John 6:40, 44, 54).
that the Holy Spirit bears witness of Him, (John 15:26).
Do you want to try to please God through keeping the Law of Allah or by the grace of Christ? Again, Jesus said that the greatest act of love is to die for another. Is it the greatest act of love to ask you to earn Heaven through good deeds that perhaps, if Allah wills, you might be saved? In which is the greatest act of love shown to us?

If you want the eternal life that Jesus can give you, then trust what He did on the cross and do not rely on your own works to please God. Trust Jesus by faith. It is not Muhammad who forgives sins. Jesus does that (Luke 5:20, 7:48-49). It is not Muhammad who died and rose from the dead. Jesus did that. It was not Muhammad who said, "Come to me and I will give you rest." Jesus said that. And, Jesus also said, "Believe in God. Believe also in me," (John 14:1).

Like Abraham, be righteous in God's eyes . . . by faith.

[K...]

Oh yeah, be Christian where no one cares how you interpret the Bible! You don't need to abide by Christ, he's a true cuck! Don't like your church, there are 30 different sects!


General religion comment: most Christians are actually pagans, hasn't changed in 1000 years. Too many "Christians" don't help the poor, support the death penalty, support war, get divorced, look at porn, covet shit above God, use the name in vain, work on the sabbath, celebrate a pagan holiday with consumptive excess and have the balls to call it Jesuss birthday.



My respect of Islam is that the average Muslim is far far better at being Muslims than Christians being Christian. I don't want the Latin American posters to feel insulted, I'm talking American south. Too many fake Christians in Texas mistaking procedure for substance.


If not for Martin Luther, we'd all be Muslims today probably, many would still be slaves.

[SupremeGuy]

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[monkeypunk]

Funny you talk about child sexual abuse when the Pope is on town. Lol.

Yeah, I thought about calling the Catholics out too but my point was that it's part of the religion of Islam where Catholics just do it for fun, lol.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Islam and Christianity wars, lol.

Lol at worshiping God when we know the true religion is Satanism. May the Great Lord Lucifer be watching upon us all.


ALL HAIL SATAN!! :toast

[ismael-robert]

For the most part K i agree with you. You di make an over generalization and a couple misunderstandings (miss the point) but you're right true Christianity is dying. But if you went to my church youd meet lots of sincere loving people who are doing the work. Its no megachurch mind u.

[Spurtacular]

I made a clock one time

My grandpa made fine clocks that show the signs of great workmanship on many of occasions. Many of them passed throughout his lineage. But he sure as hell was no muzzie.

[SpursIndonesia]

Abraham started it.

Yeah, he did. Different son to be sacrificed though. I've never put too much emphasis on the ritual & historical believes of my religion, just trying to follow the righteous teachings, which i find quite universal. Got plenty of Christian relatives in the family and close friends, i think we can get along just fine if we leave religion in our private life and not bringing it into public. :)


thank u bro.
all over world, everyone kill animals and mostly in west.
for ex: meat consumption per person per year, usa: 124.8 kg, turkey: 19.3 kg
probably animals in usa are not killed but their meat eaten :king
we take 1/3 of meat to us, give 1/3 to our relatives and neighbours, 1/3 people in need (poor). i think this is good.

Of course, i just prefer non mammal source of meat protein though. :D Poultry & fishery meat, please. :)

Are you doing the sacrifice ritual this year ? I sacrifice 3 goats on the behalf of my mother in law & both of my parents this year. :)

[itzsoweezee]

Eid Mubarak!

[turkish spurs fan]

https://twitter.com/turkishgoals/status/646908307274395648

[ismael-robert]

THE DEUTERONOMY DEDUCTIONS:
Two Short, Sound, Simple Proofs that Muhammad Was a False Prophet

By David Wood
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die."
~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20)[1]
"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)[2]
Muhammad claimed that Jewish and Christian scriptures had predicted his coming (see, e.g., Qur’an 7:157). This has led Muslim apologists to comb the Old and New Testaments in search of passages that refer to their prophet. While all biblical evidence offered by Muslims in support of their prophet appears horribly strained to non-Muslims (provided the latter read the passages in context) and has been thoroughly refuted time and again, it is still common to hear Muslims claim that the Bible speaks about Muhammad.
The most popular "prophecy" about Muhammad is found in Deuteronomy 18. It is quite ironic, then, to learn that, according to Deuteronomy 18, Muhammad can’t possibly be a prophet. As we will see, this puts Muslims in an awkward position, and helps show the lengths to which they will go in their efforts to defend their prophet.
The purpose of this essay is to prove, based on Muslim claims (including their appeal to Deuteronomy 18), that Muhammad was a false prophet. I will begin by presenting two arguments against the prophethood of Muhammad, and I will follow this by carefully defending the arguments. Once I have shown that the arguments are sound, I will briefly discuss the options available to Muslims who want to reject the obvious conclusion.
I. THE DEUTERONOMY DEDUCTIONS

There are two elements to look for when examining deductive arguments: valid logic and true premises. To say that a deductive argument is valid is to say that, due to the logical form, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. The most basic argument form is the syllogism, and the most basic valid form of the syllogism is Modus Ponens.[3] The logical form of the following arguments is Modus Ponens; thus, they are logically valid:
Argument A—false gods and false prophets

A1. If a person speaks in the names of false gods, that person is a false prophet.
A2. Muhammad spoke in the names of false gods.
——————————————————
A3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.
Argument B—false revelations and false prophets

B1. If a person delivers a revelation that doesn’t come from God, that person is a false prophet.
B2. Muhammad delivered a revelation that didn’t come from God.
——————————————————
B3. Therefore, Muhammad was a false prophet.
Since the logic of both arguments is valid, true premises will always lead to a true conclusion. Hence, if the premises of these arguments are true, Muhammad was a false prophet. Let us turn, then, to a careful discussion of our premises.
II. PREMISES A1 AND B1 DEFENDED

A1 and B1 seem intuitively obvious. That is, it seems clear that if a person speaks in the names of false gods or delivers revelations that don’t come from God, the person cannot be a true prophet. Nevertheless, by appealing to the Bible to bolster their belief in Muhammad, Muslims have inadvertently granted that A1 and B1 are true.
Deuteronomy 18 serves as the foundation of Islam’s "Argument from Biblical Prophecy," used by generations of Muslims to prove that Muhammad was a true prophet. Indeed, the popular Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam uses Deuteronomy 18 as its primary evidence that the Bible speaks of Muhammad. Author I. A. Ibrahim says,
The Biblical prophecies on the advent of the Prophet Muhammad are evidence of the truth of Islam for people who believe in the Bible.
In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18: 18-19)[4]
The book goes on to argue that Muhammad fulfilled this prophecy in numerous ways. While such claims have been refuted ad nauseum,[5] I will simply note that Muslims have here granted that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 is inspired by God (since they regard it as a miraculous prophecy). Surely, then, we can’t ignore the next verse, where God says:
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die." (Deuteronomy 18:20)
Here we have two criteria for spotting a false prophet: (1) delivering a revelation which God has not "commanded him to speak," and (2) speaking "in the name of other gods." Since Muslims who appeal to so-called biblical prophecies of Muhammad have given this passage their stamp of approval, they cannot deny the truth of A1 and B1. To sum up, Muslims have appealed to a passage in Deuteronomy 18, and that passage entails premises A1 and B1. Thus, according to Muslim claims, the first premise of each of the Deuteronomy Deductions is true.
III. PREMISES A2 AND B2 DEFENDED

We have seen that, according to a passage regarded by many Muslims as divine revelation, a person who either delivers a message that does not come from God or speaks in the names of false gods must be a false prophet. But this means that Muhammad was a false prophet, since he did both when he delivered the infamous "Satanic Verses."
We learn about the Satanic Verses, not from Christian or Jewish sources, but from early Muslim writings. Accounts of the Satanic Verses are given in a number of early sources, including: (1) Ibn Ishaq, (2) Wakidi, (3) Ibn Sa’d, (4) al-Tabari, (5) Ibn Abi Hatim, (6) Ibn al-Mundhir, (7) Ibn Mardauyah, (8) Musa ibn 'Uqba, and (9) Abu Ma'shar.[6] According to the great Muslim scholar Ibn Hajar, three chains of transmission (isnad) in these accounts "satisfy the conditions requisite for an authentic report."[7] Moreover, Sahih al-Bukhari, Islam’s most trusted source on the life of Muhammad, gives indirect confirmation of the event (Number 4862, quoted below). Beyond this, certain verses of the Qur’an (17:73-5 and 22:52-3) were revealed in response to Muhammad’s embarrassing lapse into polytheism.
We therefore have compelling historical evidence that the story is authentic. (For a thorough discussion of the evidence for the Satanic Verses, see "Muhammad and the Satanic Verses.") In fact, the historical method virtually guarantees the legitimacy of the story. Historians examining the lives of leaders and religious figures employ what is known as the "Principle of Embarrassment," a principle which also carries much weight in legal investigations. Law professor Annette Gordon-Reed sums up the principle thus: "Declarations against interest are regarded as having a high degree of credibility because of the presumption that people do not make up lies in order to hurt themselves; they lie to help themselves."[8] Applying the Principle of Embarrassment to accounts of the Satanic Verses, we see immediately that Muslims would not have invented this story, since it calls Muhammad’s reliability into question. We also see that the story couldn’t have been invented by non-Muslims; for if non-Muslims had invented the story, Muslims would have exposed the story’s origin, instead of defending it in their earliest historical works.
The evidence for the general reliability of the Muslim accounts concerning the Satanic Verses is therefore too overwhelming to ignore. With this in mind, let us consider a condensed account of what happened, based on the History of al-Tabari.
According to al-Tabari,
When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated within himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed:
By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire . . .
and when he came to the words:
Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?
Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words:
These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval. (Al-Tabari, p. 108)
The polytheists were delighted that Muhammad had at last approved of their gods. To return the kindness, they "prostrated themselves because of the reference to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself" (p. 109).
Muhammad’s friendly relations with the polytheists were short-lived, however, for he soon learned that his verses praising pagan idols came not from God, but from Satan. Saddened to recognize his treachery against Allah, Muhammad lamented: "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken" (p. 111). Yet "Gabriel" comforted Muhammad, informing him that all prophets fall for Satan’s tricks from time to time. This staggering and unbelievable claim even found its way into the Qur’an:
"And We did not send before you any apostle or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise." (Surah 22:52)[9]
According to the next verse, Allah allows his prophets to receive revelations from Satan in order to test hard-hearted people.
Whatever we think of the preposterous Qur’anic explanation of the Satanic Verses (and its defense of Muhammad), it is clear that the Prophet of Islam, on at least one occasion, delivered a message that did not come from God. It is also clear that Muhammad, on at least one occasion, spoke in the names of false gods.[10] Thus, we can establish from Muslim sources that A2 and B2 are almost certainly true.
IV. POSSIBLE REPLIES

Since we have good reasons to accept premises A1, A2, B1, and B2, we have good reasons to accept conclusions A3 and B3, both of which claim that Muhammad was a false prophet. Muslims, however, will not want to accept this conclusion. Let us briefly discuss their prospects for rejecting it.
Muslims could, of course, claim that Deuteronomy 18:20 is a false teaching, not actually revealed by God. But if they take this route, it would be absurd of them to turn around and declare that 18:18-19 is an inspired prophecy. While it is alarmingly common for Muslims to pick and choose which passages in the Bible are correct (i.e. everything that agrees with Islam is correct, but everything that disagrees with Islam was corrupted by evil Jews and Christians), no one is going to be convinced by the claim that one verse in Deuteronomy 18 proves the prophethood of Muhammad, while another verse in the same passage is corrupted because it proves that he was a false prophet.
Thus, Muslims who want to deny A1 and B1 must abandon their claim that Deuteronomy 18 predicts the coming of Muhammad. The problem with this approach is that the prophecy of a coming messenger like Moses is one of the last remaining verses that Muslims—in spite of the evidence—cling to in their hopes of vindicating Muhammad. But if the Bible contains no clear prophecies about Muhammad, then Muhammad was a false prophet, since he claimed (in the Qur’an no less!) that the Jewish and Christian scriptures contain prophecies of his coming. This means that Muslims are caught between the horns of a dilemma. If they cling to Deuteronomy 18, then Muhammad was a false prophet. If they abandon it, then they are on the verge of having no biblical prophecies of Muhammad, which would imply that Muhammad was a false prophet.
Muslims who give up their most prized prophecy still wouldn’t be out of the water, however. For even if they abandon Deuteronomy 18 and declare it to be utterly corrupted, this wouldn’t refute A1 and B1, since, as I have already noted, these premises are intuitively obvious. Muslims who want to deny A1 and B1 must therefore show that these premises are false by arguing that genuine prophets can indeed deliver false revelations and speak in the names of false gods. I would love to see Muslims attempt to defend such an untenable position!
It seems, then, that Muslims who want to continue believing in Muhammad must deny not A1 and B1, but A2 and B2. But this means that they must reject the overwhelming historical evidence for Muhammad’s temporary support of paganism. Muslims who take this approach must do seven things. First, they must provide some reasonable explanation as to the story’s origin (e.g. they must make a plausible case that the story was invented by pagans, Jews, or Christians). Second, they must explain why Muslims, who had every reason to reject such a story, passed it on as if it were true (instead of exposing it as a fabrication). Third, they must show that Ibn Ishaq, Wakidi, Ibn Sa’d, al-Tabari, Ibn Abi Hatim, Ibn al-Mundhir, Ibn Mardauyah, Musa ibn ‘Uqba, and Abu Ma’shar were sloppy historians (so amazingly sloppy that they included false stories about Muhammad that called his prophethood into question). Fourth, they must account for the various chains of authority to which the early Muslim biographers appealed in their efforts to demonstrate the story’s authenticity. Fifth, they must explain why al-Bukhari, Islam’s most trusted authority, confirms certain details of the story that only make sense if Muhammad really did deliver the Satanic Verses. According to Bukhari,
The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat an-Najm [Surah 53], and all the Muslims and Al-Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His Messenger Muhammad) and jinn and human beings prostrated along with him. (4862)[11]
Though Bukhari understandably omits the embarrassing reason for the prostration of the pagans, he inadvertently confirms the account given by Ibn Ishaq and the others, who faithfully reported that the pagans bowed down because Muhammad spoke favorably of their gods. Sixth, Muslims must account for Surah 22:52, which, again, declares that all God’s prophets received revelations from Satan—a verse so preposterous that it could only have been offered to the Muslim community as an absurd explanation for something like the Satanic Verses. Seventh, they must show non-Muslims why we should reject all the available evidence and believe that Muhammad was spiritually reliable, when, as all informed Muslims will admit, Muhammad was the victim of black magic (a spell cast by a Jewish magician) and, at one point, was convinced that he was demon-possessed. Put differently, if the Prophet of Islam could mistakenly believe that he was demon-possessed, and was susceptible to spiritual attacks (such as black magic), why shouldn’t we believe that he could fall prey to revelations from Satan? (For more on Muhammad’s spiritual difficulties, see "A Bewitched Prophet?")
While I have witnessed Muslim attempts to explain away the historical evidence for the Satanic Verses, I have never seen anything remotely resembling a convincing refutation of the evidence. For instance, in my debate on the prophethood of Muhammad at U.C. Davis, my opponent Ali Ataie tried to respond to al-Bukhari’s indirect confirmation of the Satanic Verses by appealing to the miraculous power of the Qur’an. According to Ataie, the reason the pagans bowed down in honor of Surah 53 (which, in its present form, ridicules polytheism) was that they were overwhelmed by its majesty. But surely such a response is based on fantasy rather than fact. Muslims have been reciting the Qur’an for more than a thousand years, and unbelievers are typically quite unimpressed by Muhammad’s poetry. Indeed, Muhammad won remarkably few converts when he appealed to the Qur’an as evidence of his divine commission. He only saw large numbers of converts when he turned to other (far more bloody) means of conversion. Thus, for Muslims like Ataie to claim that the pagans, with one accord, bowed down at Muhammad’s recitation of Surah 53, is bordering on delusional. Bukhari’s hadith makes far more sense when read in the light of historical works like Ibn Ishaq (which, incidentally, predates Sahih al-Bukhari by many decades). The only conceivable reason the pagans would bow down in honor of Surah 53 is that the Surah originally supported paganism, and this is exactly what our earliest historical records claim.
All things considered, the only reasonable conclusion to be drawn from the historical evidence is that Muhammad, in a moment of weakness, gave into temptation and actively promoted polytheism by delivering a revelation from Satan. But this means that we cannot rationally reject premises A2 and B2. Muslims, then, can have no good response to the Deuteronomy Deductions. We are therefore left with an unavoidable conclusion: Muhammad was a false prophet.
V. ASSESSMENT

To conclude, I would like to emphasize again that my entire argument (in two deductions) has been based on the writings and claims of Muslims. Early Muslim historians, in an astounding display of honesty and integrity, admitted that their prophet had delivered the Satanic Verses to his listeners. In acknowledging this, they provided all the evidence we need for premises A2 and B2. Modern Muslims, in an effort to defend Muhammad’s claim to biblical support for his ministry, have granted that a passage in Deuteronomy 18 was inspired by God. In doing so, they have given us all the evidence we need for premises A1 and B1. Since both of the Deuteronomy Deductions are logically valid, we have two proofs, based entirely on the claims of Muslims, that Muhammad was a false prophet.
Since the Deuteronomy Deductions are sound (i.e. logically valid with true premises), any honest seeker will have to admit that Muhammad was a false prophet. It should be an enlightening exercise, then, to present these arguments to Muslims. If a Muslim examines the arguments carefully, inspecting the premises and weighing the evidence, and then rejects the conclusion without refuting the argument, we can only assume that such a person is less interested in truth and more interested in the comfort provided by blindly accepting the faith he was raised in. Although my experience leads me to believe that most Muslims are of this type, my experience has also shown me that there are Muslims in the world who are actively dedicated to learning the truth about God. The first truth such Muslims must learn is that their prophet Muhammad was no prophet at all. The second is that their prophet Jesus is much more than a prophet.

[BillMc]

don't forget people in need.

let's see how many muslims here :hat

I'm not a Muslim, but have several Muslim friends from Turkey, Pakistan, America and England. Good people all.

Not sure where you're from in Turkey, but I've visited Istanbul six times. One of the most beautiful cities on earth.

Also, my prayers and sympathies about the tragedy in Ankara. Simply horrific.

[BillMc]

Islam and Christianity wars, lol.

Lol at worshiping God when we know the true religion is Satanism. May the Great Lord Lucifer be watching upon us all.


ALL HAIL SATAN!! :toast

On a related note, Black Sabbath is playing Riga this summer. Should be fun.

[hater]

:lmao Erdogan trolls the fuck out of US and Europe :lol

"They announce they'll take in 30,000 to 40,000 refugees and then they are nominated for the Nobel for that. We are hosting two and a half million refugees but nobody cares," Erdogan said.

[monkeypunk]

Islam and Christianity wars, lol.

Lol at worshiping God when we know the true religion is Satanism. May the Great Lord Lucifer be watching upon us all.


ALL HAIL SATAN!! :toast

He is ruling over us.

You know him as Capitalism...

[UNT Eagles 2016]

He is ruling over us.

You know him as Capitalism...
communism is the greater evil honestly... big government telling everyone what to do? Hell no!

[hater]

He is ruling over us.

You know him as Capitalism...

can't find a way to disagree with this tbh

[hater]

communism is the greater evil honestly... big government telling everyone what to do? Hell no!

at least you see communism coming from a mile away. you can't see capitalism until you and your family and all your descendants are fucked forever

[UNT Eagles 2016]

at least you see communism coming from a mile away. you can't see capitalism until you and your family and all your descendants are fucked forever
The federal reserve, presidents, and legislature have fucked us and our descendants far worse than corporate enterprises have. The "corporatocracy" didn't drive us $17 trillion into debt.

[hater]

The federal reserve, presidents, and legislature have fucked us and our descendants far worse than corporate enterprises have. The "corporatocracy" didn't drive us $17 trillion into debt.

Wake up. The presidents and government agencies are nothing but corporatocracy puppets.

Who the hell you think owns the federal deserve :lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Wake up. The presidents and government agencies are nothing but corporatocracy puppets.

Who the hell you think owns the federal deserve :lol
If you're talking about PACs, many of those are run by selfish old men with agendas, many of which are former "corporatocratic" owners and CEOs, but that's not representative of their overall companies and those who work for them.

[hater]

If you're talking about PACs, many of those are run by selfish old men with agendas, many of which are former "corporatocratic" owners and CEOs, but that's not representative of their overall companies and those who work for them.

Wtf? The banks own the federal deserve Einstein.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Wtf? The banks own the federal deserve Einstein.
lol, federal "deserve" .....

[turkish spurs fan]

I'm not a Muslim, but have several Muslim friends from Turkey, Pakistan, America and England. Good people all.

Not sure where you're from in Turkey, but I've visited Istanbul six times. One of the most beautiful cities on earth.

Also, my prayers and sympathies about the tragedy in Ankara. Simply horrific.

i am from istanbul, happy u liked here but a little crowded :hat

if u visit again, u can contact me.

thank u for your good words.

[GSH]

probably animals in usa are not killed but their meat eaten
So you think we just like hack off a leg and eat it, and keep the animals alive?

we take 1/3 of meat to us, give 1/3 to our relatives and neighbours, 1/3 people in need (poor). I think this is good.
With everyone giving them meat all the time, you would think you'd run out of poor people. They're getting just as much as you are.

If you gave the poor people 2/3 of your meat, YOU would be poor, and they would have to give you stuff. I think this is good.




Stupid fucking thread for a sports forum. Do whatever you do, and leave other people alone. Maybe you guys could afford more meat if you weren't importing bacha bazi boys from Afghanistan.

[BillMc]

i am from istanbul, happy u liked here but a little crowded :hat

if u visit again, u can contact me.

thank u for your good words.

Cheers man. :toast Will do.

[turkish spurs fan]

EID MOBAREK

[dbestpro]

God is love. In the absence of love there is hate. You get to choose.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Eid al-Fitr was what... two months ago? :huh


Beware the Eid of March!


I shared a dorm room with a Muslim guy my second year of college. He swore that the best blowjobs were Muslim blowjobs. And he said the women were pretty good, too. I thought he was joking, but him and a couple of his buddies were constantly trying to talk guys into giving them blowjobs.

Then I found out that they hated gays. Like really, really hated them. So I asked him, "How can you claim to hate gays, and you're always trying to get blowjobs from men?" And he said, "Oh... the one who receives the blowjob isn't gay." I thought he was kidding about that, too, but he wasn't. They wouldn't give me a new roommate, so I moved out of the dorm. I was afraid I'd wake up one night and he'd be humping me like a dog.

Not all Muslims are alike, but I found that a LOT of them subscribe to that same fucked-up, twisted logic. It's why things like Bacha Bazi boys are so popular in some places.

[apalisoc_9]

EID MOBAREK

Eid mubarak scrah

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

turkish people are cool even though some ash their cigarettes into their beers on purpose and then drink so the alcohol works better

[RC_Drunkford]

Eid Mubarak




Not all Muslims are alike, but I found that a LOT of them subscribe to that same fucked-up, twisted logic. It's why things like Bacha Bazi boys are so popular in some places.

That's not muslim logic, that's totally unlogical and unislamic. That dude you met just twisted the rules the way he'd like to have them, which is totally prohibited. People really lack education when it comes to this topic.

Whoever takes part in a sin, that sin is on him. And if it's 10 people it's on all 10. A gay muslim is basically an oxymoron, but nowadays all kinda crazy shit exists.

[Prose]

EID MOBAREK

late to the party, eid mubarak brother! turkey is a beautiful country