Butler added to training camp

[JR3]

Didn't see this posted... http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Rasual-Butler-among-the-Spurs-training-camp-invites-39796060

[K...]

There's a woj tweet saying he's firing shots and being veteran leaderish

[BillMc]

Cool! Does have a chance? And, if so, who goes?

[Chinook]

Cool! Does have a chance? And, if so, who goes?

Jimmer, I'd imagine, as Simmons is really more of a two-guard than SF anyway. Though Jonathon can indeed get waived/claimed if he disappoints against true NBA athleticism/skill.

[HarlemHeat37]

A few of us called for him months ago, obvious fit for a veteran benchwarmer/reserve, tbh..unlike other players that have been mentioned here during this off season(Miller, Caron Butler, Jason Richardson, etc), he actually has a little game left for short regular season stints, too..

[Chinook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWdbU-B7iVo

Dude definitely seems to have a lot in the tank. If his defense is decent, I could see him being a passable fourth-wing. Would be great insurance in case both Anderson and Simmons disappoint.

[DPG21920]

I'm firmly on the Rasual Butler bandwagon now. Hope he makes it as he was the best of what's left.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWdbU-B7iVo

Dude definitely seems to have a lot in the tank. If his defense is decent, I could see him being a passable fourth-wing. Would be great insurance in case both Anderson and Simmons disappoint.

Jimmer era could be over before it begins. I wonder why Washington didn't push to sign RB? If he signed with us on the last day for a surely non-guaranteed deal, you have to think interest was limited.

[Kawhitstorm]

I TOLD Y'all bitches............BYE JIMMER!

[Spurtacular]

Cool! Does have a chance? And, if so, who goes?

People gonna take their shots at Jimmer; but truthfully, a lot could happen.

Bonner could be (temporarily) waived.

Simmons/KA could go to the d-league.

McCallum could be cut.

Rasual could sign a ten day contract to cover for an injured Spur.

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer era could be over before it begins. I wonder why Washington didn't push to sign RB? If he signed with us on the last day for a surely non-guaranteed deal, you have to think interest was limited.

He's a good finisher and corner three shooter. I think the rest of his game has significant deficiencies, imo.

[ChumpDumper]

People gonna take their shots at Jimmer; but truthfully, a lot could happen.

Bonner could be (temporarily) waived.

Simmons/KA could go to the d-league.

McCallum could be cut.

Rasual could sign a ten day contract to cover for an injured Spur.Not a small amount of wishful thinking there.

No way McCallum gets waived.

[Spurtacular]

Not a small amount of wishful thinking there.

No way McCallum gets waived.

There's nothing RM does that Jimmer can't do.

[Chinook]

There's nothing RM does that Jimmer can't do.
McCallum is about to add "be active on gamedays" to that list.

And Anderson or Simmons going to the d-league doesn't open up a roster spot. This isn't baseball.

[ChumpDumper]

There's nothing RM does that Jimmer can't do.He can be 6'7".

[Chinook]

He can be 6'7".

McCallum can grow?

[ChumpDumper]

McCallum can grow?lol read that as RB.

Still, McCallum isn't being waived for Jimmer.

[Spurtacular]

lol read that as RB.

Still, McCallum isn't being waived for Jimmer.

That's the popular opinion; and it's an acceptable perception that RM is the "safe choice." But I ain't gonna mince words; Jimmer is flat out better than McCallum. This will soon be established.

[Chinook]

lol read that as RB.

Still, McCallum isn't being waived for Jimmer.

Yeah, obviously. Jimmer is on the hot seat now. Thomas and Butler are both candidates to take his job.

[ChumpDumper]

That's the popular opinion; and it's an acceptable perception that RM is the "safe choice." But I ain't gonna mince words; Jimmer is flat out better than McCallum. This will soon be established.That's the edgy Mormon opinion; and it's an acceptable perception that Jimmer is the "trendy choice." But I ain't gonna mince words; Jimmer is white. This will soon be established.

[SPURt]

That's the edgy Mormon opinion; and it's an acceptable perception that Jimmer is the "trendy choice." But I ain't gonna mince words; Jimmer is white. This will soon be established.
I am pretty sure (much to the relief of Jimmer's father and all Mormons) that Jimmer being white was established the minute he poked is head out of his mommas vagina

[random21]

Jimmer sucks, give the 15th spot to R. Butler.... Don't need a bricking guard....

[spurspokesman]

Would be a solid pickup

[Splits]

People gonna take their shots at Jimmer; but truthfully, a lot could happen.

Bonner could be (temporarily) waived.

Simmons/KA could go to the d-league.

McCallum could be cut.

Rasual could sign a ten day contract to cover for an injured Spur.

You really don't know shit about how roster spots work, do you? Simmons/KA to d-league? "Cover for an injured Spur"? :lol

[Spurtacular]

You really don't know shit about how roster spots work, do you? Simmons/KA to d-league? "Cover for an injured Spur"? :lol

There's a significant chance that KA or Simmons spend time in the d-league this season. I'm not predicting it; I'm acknowledging the fact. And injuries are part of the game. Come correct next time, son.

[Splits]

There's a significant chance that KA or Simmons spend time in the d-league this season. I'm not predicting it; I'm acknowledging the fact. And injuries are part of the game. Come correct next time, son.

God you are fucking dumb. Under neither of those scenarios can the Spurs sign another player, to any type of contract, unless they already have less than 15 signed. Or they waive a player. Or apply for an injury exception (rare, need many many injuries).

[Spurtacular]

God you are fucking dumb. Under neither of those scenarios can the Spurs sign another player, to any type of contract, unless they already have less than 15 signed. Or they waive a player. Or apply for an injury exception (rare, need many many injuries).

Okay. You're right about that (KA/Simmons). I forgot. I'm not paid for this sh** though; so, how about you take an f'ing pill. Just cos your boss or woman is on your ass, don't mean I'm here to take your sh** over some technical garble. A simple correction is sufficient. The other stuff I mentioned is plausible.

[Sean Cagney]

I'm firmly on the Rasual Butler bandwagon now. Hope he makes it as he was the best of what's left.

^^^^ This.

[Chinook]

The Butler signing triggered a full meltdown for Spurtacular.

[Splits]

Okay. You're right about that (KA/Simmons). I forgot. I'm not paid for this sh** though; so, how about you take an f'ing pill. Just cos your boss or woman is on your ass, don't mean I'm here to take your sh** over some technical garble. A simple correction is sufficient. The other stuff I mentioned is plausible.

I'm also right about an injury not providing an open roster spot and about the fact that you're fucking dumb.

[spurraider21]

jimmer to europe is more reasonable
fify

[DPG21920]

Okay. You're right about that (KA/Simmons). I forgot. I'm not paid for this sh** though; so, how about you take an f'ing pill. Just cos your boss or woman is on your ass, don't mean I'm here to take your sh** over some technical garble. A simple correction is sufficient. The other stuff I mentioned is plausible.

Not to pile on you, but how can you get all bent out of shape about people's responses when you first typed "come correct son"? If you don't want people talking to you a certain way, don't do it to others.

[szkorhetz]

https://youtu.be/VWdbU-B7iVo
I want this guy.

[Nathan89]

Not a good sign for Jimmer. He'll need to play really well to earn his spot now.

[SAGirl]

Good addition. The plot thickens for the last couple of spots and I like it. Spurs should have done this last year too, instead of staying pat with Daye, Ayers, and Bonner. Competition is good. I have said even Bonner needs to show he can still hoop.
For a wing spot competition: Deshaun Thomas, Reggie Williams, Rasual Butler, Simmons, Anderson.
For a shooting big for depth: Bonner, Anderson.
Combo guard: Jimmer, McCallum, Simmons (SG).

Anderson and Simmons are versatile. The fact you can legitimately play them in several spots helps them. As backups, being able to fill in adequately for several guys give them sticking power, and the team depth, whereas one of Jimmer or McCallum, and even both will be needed with Tony and Manu aged. There will be minutes at the backup PG and SG spots. I actually see Bonner on the outside looking in, competing for minutes here. Maybe I am the only one who sees this because everyone else takes Bonner as a given, but really, the other guys fill potentially huge needs, whereas Bonner is a shooting big in a team with several shooting bigs who will likely get a lot of playing time. His likelihood of playing is smaller than any of the combo guards and wings cited here. I think its not just about who is better, but who could potentially fill in holes in case of injuries and supply things the teams needs. It may come down to who can shoot better overall, and if several guys shoot well and play well (assuming no one shoots himself out of contention) its going to be what the team needs. IMO, Bonner is a little redundant.

[ChumpDumper]

Okay. You're right about that (KA/Simmons). I forgot. I'm not paid for this sh** though; so, how about you take an f'ing pill. Just cos your boss or woman is on your ass, don't mean I'm here to take your sh** over some technical garble. A simple correction is sufficient. The other stuff I mentioned is plausible.lol m*ltd*wn

[ceperez]

I think he'll play practically the same role and spot as Anderson (but can't dribble). That is SF.

There's a big crowd right now at PG and SG - Parker, Mills, McCallum, Fredette, Green, Simmons, Ginobili

[Spurtacular]

lol m*ltd*wn

:lol dumb ass.

[monkeypunk]

lol m*ltd*wn


:lol dumb ass.

Yeah, you are. Lol indeed...

[SpurPadre]

Do we really need another guy in his late 30s? Oh well, guess we'll see what he can bring to the table at camp.

[timtonymanu]

Do we really need another guy in his late 30s? Oh well, guess we'll see what he can bring to the table at camp.

For a near 40 year old, he still looks athletic. I'd favor him over Bonner and Fredette.

[Gladney to see you]

Do we really need another guy in his late 30s? Oh well, guess we'll see what he can bring to the table at camp.

[cd98]

I'd hold off on annointing Simmons. He's yet to prove he can play against NBA-players night in and night out. Scoring big in the summer leagues rarely translates to the NBA regular season.

[szkorhetz]

For a near 40 year old, he still looks athletic. I'd favor him over Bonner and Fredette.

[SpurPadre]

For a near 40 year old, he still looks athletic. I'd favor him over Bonner and Fredette.

Yeah, you'd know I'd take him over Bonner at least but we all know Ginger is a made man.

[cd98]

RB will not spread the floor. He'll be guarded by a guard that can get to him and contest his shot while not standing right next to him. Plus, the advantage of a three is generally that they can guard multiple positions. But RB can't guard anyone. Neither can Jimmer. But there's no real advantage of RB over Jimmer.

[Spurtacular]

For a near 40 year old, he still looks athletic.

He looks like he's got more spring than Kobe at this point.

[Spurtacular]

RB will not spread the floor. He'll be guarded by a guard that can get to him and contest his shot while not standing right next to him. Plus, the advantage of a three is generally that they can guard multiple positions. But RB can't guard anyone. Neither can Jimmer. But there's no real advantage of RB over Jimmer.

I suspect RB is not a great defender; haven't been following him though. I was surprised that Washington gave this guy 20 mpg a game in 75 games last year though.

[Spurtacular]

I have said even Bonner needs to show he can still hoop.

Wouldn't hurt his standing if he regained some three prowess. But I think the book is out on him.

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, obviously. Jimmer is on the hot seat now. Thomas and Butler are both candidates to take his job.

Not sure why you think Jimmer is on the hot seat because of the Thomas and Butler signings. Neither are notable ball handlers. If anything, they're pressuring Simmons and Anderson to build upon their excellent summer league showings and if either spit the bit, Butler/Thomas might have their small window of opportunity to crack the rotation. I haven't seen anything in that video that even remotely suggests Butler can do anything better than Simmons. So I'd say it's still a real long shot.

[admiralsnackbar]

I suspect RB is not a great defender; haven't been following him though. I was surprised that Washington gave this guy 20 mpg a game in 75 games last year though. He's not a great defender in ISO (never has been) but he brings enough other skills to the floor to compensate. It shouldn't be a surprise he's been a high-usage player most of his career unless you think only marquee players get real minutes. Which you don't, of course.

[Spurtacular]

He's not a great defender in ISO (never has been) but he brings enough other skills to the floor to compensate. It shouldn't be a surprise he's been a high-usage player most of his career unless you think only marquee players get real minutes. Which you don't, of course.

He was old and out of the league two seasons before that.

[Brian Windhorst]

Jimmer sucks!

No he doesn't!

/thread

[admiralsnackbar]

He was old and out of the league two seasons before that. During the lockout, you mean? Then he came back, and not much about his contributions suggested he was too old to play besides Indiana cutting him when Granger got well. You knew all that, though.

[Spurtacular]

During the lockout, you mean? Then he came back, and not much about his contributions suggested he was too old to play besides Indiana cutting him when Granger got well. You knew all that, though.

You're twisting my arguments (again).

1. I never said that role players couldn't be high usage guys.
2. Never really said Rasual is too old to play. Just was noting his age during the course of discussion.

[admiralsnackbar]

You're twisting my arguments (again). 1. I never said that role players couldn't be high usage guys. 2. Never really said Rasual is too old to play. Just was noting his age during the course of discussion. You said his contributions were surprising, I said they shouldn't have been, you defended yourself by citing RB's year off, I reminded you about the circumstances for his year off and his trouble sticking to a team. Now you say I'm twisting your arguments, and I expect you'll next accuse me of being an apalisoc puppet. You don't have to know everything, chief -- but when you consistently defend your mistakes with dickery and smoke, you don't convince anyone you're right, either.

[tholdren]

Not a good sign for Jimmer. He'll need to play really well to earn his spot now.
This has nothing to do with Jimmer, he doesn't even play the same position, and the fact that SA probably has to give 7 spots to perimeter players who can actually dribble. Parker, Mills, Ginobili have injury issues. Green/KL cannot handle the ball. You really only have Ray who has any experience with ball handling, Jimmer has to be a higher percentage to make the team. Those are 7. 3 are injury concerns, and two we don't want dribbling the ball. Therefore you need a backup and a last resort - Ray and Jimmer.

[ChumpDumper]

This has nothing to do with Jimmer, he doesn't even play the same position, and the fact that SA probably has to give 7 spots to perimeter players who can actually dribble. Parker, Mills, Ginobili have injury issues. Green cannot handle the ball. You really only have Ray who has any experience with ball handling, Jimmer has to be a higher percentage to make the team. Those are 7. 3 are injury concerns, and one we don't want dribbling the ball. Therefore you need a backup and a last resort - Ray and Jimmer.I think Simmons got enough minutes at the point in the Spurs system that he may be penciled in for the 7th handler. If Butler sticks, that takes the pressure off Simmons to imitate a three.

[SAGirl]

I think the book is out on him.
I am not sure what you mean by this. . . Maybe that the jury is still out on Bonner, you know deliberating? :lol

Yea I am not against him. Not only does he have chemistry and is a good teammate, but he's a professional. He will not grumble about a role, is happy to stay on the bench, and yet will stay ready and in good conditioning to play quality minutes if the team needs him to. That is very, very valuable. I might talk myself out into the Bonner camp, in fact. I guess I am just challenging others out there who assume he will be around, to realize he was partially guaranteed for a reason. He wasn't very good last year, and he was injured. He might have a repetitive use sports related injury, that could return to ruin his shooting. I do not wish him that, but that is more believable to me, than just cell phone use ruined his elbow and affected his shooting. His agent was even out sniffing other possible contracts for him, putting pressure on the Spurs to make a choice on whether to bring him back or not. To me that signals that he was not such a done deal to the Spurs as some would think.

Beyond that, there are needs at the guard and wing spots, with a ton of minutes left by CoJo and Belinelli out there and Tony and Manu leaving minutes for others between rest and injuries, and Bonner doesn't help with any of that. On the other hand, the team added quality bigs who can shoot who will soak up a lot of minutes. Overall, Bonner will bring welcomed depth but is really unlikely to play much. Probably will be in suits a lot, except when Timmy is rested.

I am not sure how much of a chance Rasual Butler has to make the team and I don't put him above anyone. I think all these guys are in play for those last couple of spots. Of all the end of the bench guys, I tend to think only Anderson is guaranteed to not get cut. He's just so young, and still on a rookie deal. You just don't give up on young guys that looks like him at this stage. I think they are unlikely to cut McCallum either. They just absolutely need PG depth with Parker looking the way he has been looking, and they traded an asset for him. I personally think they keep Jimmer if he comes in shooting well.

Last year both Tony and Mills were injured and the team went for almost a third of the season with just Cojo out there. I don't think Pop wants to be in a situation like that again. It may be Simmons and Bonner who are possibly battling it out. I like Simmons for his defense more than the highlights plays TBH. That is the one reason I think he sticks, so for me the one who could be beat by a Rasual Butler could be Bonner.

Its all speculation at this point, but its interesting nonetheless.

[tholdren]

I think Simmons got enough minutes at the point in the Spurs system that he may be penciled in for the 7th handler. If Butler sticks, that takes the pressure off Simmons to imitate a three.

I would highly disagree. Simmons averaged 3apg in summer league, but he didn't have a 1:1 A/TO. Thats pretty bad. I would not want him playing point, if he cannot give SA a positive A/TO ratio in summer.

[TD 21]

Between a combination of Green and Simmons defensively and a combination of Ginobili, Anderson and Simmons offensively, Fredette is not making this team on the count of him being able to serve as a fourth/emergency PG.

As I said a few months ago, I'm not surprised that Butler is at camp, but I am surprised that Pop said "he has a good chance to make the team". Not so much that they'd think that internally, but that he'd externalize it.

[ChumpDumper]

I would highly disagree. Simmons averaged 3apg in summer league, but he didn't have a 1:1 A/TO. Thats pretty bad. I would not want him playing point, if he cannot give SA a positive A/TO ratio in summer.I wouldn't put a ton of stock in SL ratios when the Spurs have a much larger body of work to look at.

[Chinook]

I would highly disagree. Simmons averaged 3apg in summer league, but he didn't have a 1:1 A/TO. Thats pretty bad. I would not want him playing point, if he cannot give SA a positive A/TO ratio in summer.

That's the concern for sure. He made careless passes that got through due to the lack of elite athleticism of the competition. That's the kind of thing that we will have to see transfer before giving him lock status.

Still has the edge over Jimmer by a wide margin, though.

[SAGirl]

Between a combination of Green and Simmons defensively and a combination of Ginobili, Anderson and Simmons offensively, Fredette is not making this team on the count of him being able to serve as a fourth/emergency PG.

As I said a few months ago, I'm not surprised that Butler is at camp, but I am surprised that Pop said "he has a good chance to make the team". Not so much that they'd think that internally, but that he'd externalize it.

I actually don't think Pop does media just for the publicity. If he has a good chance, he has a good chance. He has a good a chance as any of the guys we are talking about here.

[TD 21]

I actually don't think Pop does media just for the publicity. If he has a good chance, he has a good chance. He has a good a chance as any of the guys we are talking about here.

I didn't say he did. I suspected he'd come with something along the lines of "we'll take a look at him, see if he has anything left", which is essentially what he said in the cases of Simmons and Maggette.

I think what it indicates, is what I said a few months ago, which was that the half guarantee for Fredette was more so about what it took to sign him at the time and them not being thrilled enough with the alternatives to risk him going elsewhere, than it was a sign that he was guaranteed to be on the team until January 10th.

[SAGirl]

That's the concern for sure. He made careless passes that got through due to the lack of elite athleticism of the competition. That's the kind of thing that we will have to see transfer before giving him lock status.

Still has the edge over Jimmer by a wide margin, though.
I watched him a lot in the D'league. I watched a lot of D'league games when the Spurs went on a loosing spree in February and sent Anderson to the D'league. He just so happened to have a terrific few games and was named player of the month in February and the Austin Spurs were 8-1 on February. At the end of February they lost Cotton, who went to Utah and asked Simmons to handle the ball like a PG. It really worsened his TO stats, and convinced me he really can't be an NBA PG if he could not handle the ball pressure at the D'league. He can be a good wing player though, if his defense and shooting translates.

From February 24, 2015 on when they lost Cotton, watch his turnovers. Some games with 7 and 8!!
http://stats.nbadleague.com/playerGameLogs.html?PlayerID=203613&pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25

[Chinook]

I didn't say he did. I suspected he'd come with something along the lines of "we'll take a look at him, see if he has anything left", which is essentially what he said in the cases of Simmons and Maggette.

Butler looked far from done last year, and he's supposedly mentoring the young wings -- which was an underrated need on the team with Anderson and Simmons being so fresh and Leonard and Green still having some room for growth. I think that's a better recent track record than Simmons or Maggette had.

[ChumpDumper]

It's hard to conclude that Butler couldn't sponge up minutes and potentially step up in case of injury during the regular season.

[TD 21]

Butler looked far from done last year, and he's supposedly mentoring the young wings -- which was an underrated need on the team with Anderson and Simmons being so fresh and Leonard and Green still having some room for growth. I think that's a better recent track record than Simmons or Maggette had.

I know (though he inevitably came crashing back down to earth in the second half), but I still thought Pop would say that, since it's his go to line with players in his situation.

Ultimately, despite Fredette's sizable guarantee, all things being relatively equal, I suspect Butler beats him out.

[TheDoctor]

There's a significant chance that KA or Simmons spend time in the d-league this season. I'm not predicting it; I'm acknowledging the fact. And injuries are part of the game. Come correct next time, son.

You're starting to sound a lot like apalisoc. I may say way too similar.

[Chinook]

I watched him a lot in the D'league. I watched a lot of D'league games when the Spurs went on a loosing spree in February and sent Anderson to the D'league. He just so happened to have a terrific few games and was named player of the month in February and the Austin Spurs were 8-1 on February. At the end of February they lost Cotton, who went to Utah and asked Simmons to handle the ball like a PG. It really worsened his TO stats, and convinced me he really can't be an NBA PG if he could not handle the ball pressure at the D'league. He can be a good wing player though, if his defense and shooting translates.

From February 24, 2015 on when they lost Cotton, watch his turnovers. Some games with 7 and 8!!
http://stats.nbadleague.com/playerGameLogs.html?PlayerID=203613&pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25

Yeah, and it's not like his assist numbers spiked. He also doesn't have the best handle, so even is driving ability is vulnerable. Still, playing PG probably gave him a new perspective on the game and the offense, so he should be able to make the right pass and use his athleticism to make the some things happen due to having more threats around him. Again, this TC is probably most important for him, as he's the only player (along with perhaps Butler) who both has a chance to be a consistent rotation player and a chance to be cut. And since he's almost certain to be claimed, I doubt Simmons' guaranteed money prevents his release if it comes to it.

[Chinook]

I know (though he inevitably came crashing back down to earth in the second half), but I still thought Pop would say that, since it's his go to line with players in his situation.

Ultimately, despite Fredette's sizable guarantee, all things being relatively equal, I suspect Butler beats him out.

I do think that like Simmons, Jimmer would get claimed if waived, so I think the Spurs may not worry about that. Hell, I think even Bonner has a good chance of getting claimed if released. Those final three spots are truly up for grabs. The only unfortunate thing about camp is that with all the new faces, the main guys are going to have to play a lot to develop chemistry. So we aren't going to see as much garbage lineups as we're used to seeing, despite those lineups having more intrigue than usual.

[TD 21]

I do think that like Simmons, Jimmer would get claimed if waived, so I think the Spurs may not worry about that. Hell, I think even Bonner has a good chance of getting claimed if released. Those final three spots are truly up for grabs. The only unfortunate thing about camp is that with all the new faces, the main guys are going to have to play a lot to develop chemistry. So we aren't going to see as much garbage lineups as we're used to seeing, despite those lineups having more intrigue than usual.

Yeah, good point. If they knew there was another team(s) willing to give him the same deal and they didn't later fill his role with a fully guaranteed veteran, then they probably figure he'll get claimed if waived, in which case they'd essentially get a free look.

I get the rationale, but I don't really think Bonner's or even Simmons' spots are up for grabs. I don't even really think Thomas or Williams have a legit chance. I think it's Butler vs Fredette for one spot.

[Kawhitstorm]

It's hard to conclude that Butler couldn't sponge up minutes and potentially step up in case of injury during the regular season.

He started for the Wizard when Pierce was injured last season & didn't look any worse than Marco. He's most likely going to be the designated sniper off the bench & might even get some starters when someone is resting or injured. He fills a need since the rest of the players competing for the last roster spot can't pass for a wing (for defensive purposes) &/or aren't knock down shooters.

Tony/Patty/Ray
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Kawhi/Kyle/Butler
LMA/D-West/Bonner
Tim/Diaw/Boban

[SAGirl]

He started for the Wizard when Pierce was injured last season & didn't look any worse than Marco. He's most likely going to be the designated sniper off the bench & might even get some starters when someone is resting or injured. He fills a need since the rest of the players competing for the last roster spot can't pass for a wing (for defensive purposes) &/or aren't knock down shooters.

Tony/Patty/Ray
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Kawhi/Kyle/Butler
LMA/D-West/Bonner
Tim/Diaw/Boban
On this I agree with you fully. Neither Simmons, nor Anderson are knockdown shooters and that could be a problem. We just don't know at this stage how they will do. The other shooters Spurs got aren't truly wing options (Jimmer and Bonner).

I read this article from Michael Erler at http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/9/28/9410307/spurs-hold-media-day-add-another-familiar-name-to-roster

Not a writer I like at all, but he does have some insight on some interviews from Pop today.
"He's a seasoned pro in the sense that he knows himself, he knows what role he could play, he's at the stage of his career where he just wants to be a part of something that's positive and good," Popovich said of the signing. "He obviously can shoot the basketball, if he couldn't shoot we wouldn't be talking to him. You gotta have a skill to play. So for all those reasons he's somebody who has a great shot to make our team."
Also this tidbit about Jimmer: When asked about Fredette specifically, Pop replied, "He's a shooter, he's a scorer, and we're looking for that type of thing to add to the team. People always look at the big guys, but we started last season thinking that not having Patty Mills (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71950/patty-mills) is going to be a big factor for us, and it was huge. It took him a long time... first of all you don't have him for the first half, and then it took him a long time to get back into the flow. And this year Marco (Belinelli) not being here is important. He came off the bench and helped us in a lot of games and I think that's a big concern."

(Sorry if the formatting is weird, posting from tablet.)

[Kawhitstorm]

On this I agree with you fully. Neither Simmons, nor Anderson are knockdown shooters and that could be a problem. We just don't know at this stage how they will do. The other shooters Spurs got aren't truly wing options (Jimmer and Bonner).

I read this article from Michael Erler at http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/9/28/9410307/spurs-hold-media-day-add-another-familiar-name-to-roster

Not a writer I like at all, but he does have some insight on some interviews from Pop today.
"He's a seasoned pro in the sense that he knows himself, he knows what role he could play, he's at the stage of his career where he just wants to be a part of something that's positive and good," Popovich said of the signing. "He obviously can shoot the basketball, if he couldn't shoot we wouldn't be talking to him. You gotta have a skill to play. So for all those reasons he's somebody who has a great shot to make our team."
Also this tidbit about Jimmer: When asked about Fredette specifically, Pop replied, "He's a shooter, he's a scorer, and we're looking for that type of thing to add to the team. People always look at the big guys, but we started last season thinking that not having Patty Mills (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71950/patty-mills) is going to be a big factor for us, and it was huge. It took him a long time... first of all you don't have him for the first half, and then it took him a long time to get back into the flow. And this year Marco (Belinelli) not being here is important. He came off the bench and helped us in a lot of games and I think that's a big concern."

(Sorry if the formatting is weird, posting from tablet.)



Pop loves shooters & Butler is actually a need rather than a luxury thus I don't see why he won't stick if he can play like last season. Jimmer would have been a decent insurance for Patty but the media people are raving about Patty's workout so Jimmer would just be a luxury as long as Patty is healthy.

[SAGirl]

Pop loves shooters & Butler is actually a need rather than a luxury thus I don't see why he won't stick if he can play like last season. Jimmer would have been a decent insurance for Patty but the media people are raving about Patty's workout so Jimmer would just be a luxury as long as Patty is healthy. It does sound like they are looking to replace the shooting aspect of Marco's game, even if sometimes they play other guys, which is kind of perplexing as they let Jarrel Eddie go (who was then picked up by the warriors).

[Kawhitstorm]

It does sound like they are looking to replace the shooting aspect of Marco's game, even if sometimes they play other guys, which is kind of perplexing as they let Jarrel Eddie go (who was then picked up by the warriors).

Jarrel couldn't even keep up w/ his own shadow & would have made Belly seem like Tony Allen (Jarrel is basically a dark skinned Steve Novak). Butler on the other hand proved last season he can be serviceable in the regular season against NBA quality wing players & is a pretty darn good shooter himself.

[SAGirl]

Jarrel couldn't even keep up w/ his own shadow & would have made Belly seem like Tony Allen (Jarrel is basically a dark skinned Steve Novak). Butler on the other hand proved last season he can be serviceable in the regular season against NBA quality wing players & is a pretty darn good shooter himself.

But they did not know until the literal eleventh hour that Butler would agree to a cheap training camp deal. There has to be something behind close doors we don't know beyond that. They might just have been lucky to get Butler for a training camp make good deal. Not sure what Eddie got from the Warriors, but it's a look by a different team.

[100%duncan]

Okay. You're right about that (KA/Simmons). I forgot. I'm not paid for this sh** though; so, how about you take an f'ing pill. Just cos your boss or woman is on your ass, don't mean I'm here to take your sh** over some technical garble. A simple correction is sufficient. The other stuff I mentioned is plausible.

:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

But they did not know until the literal eleventh hour that Butler would agree to a cheap training camp deal. There has to be something behind close doors we don't know beyond that. They might just have been lucky to get Butler for a training camp make good deal. Not sure what Eddie got from the Warriors, but it's a look by a different team.

Butler probably couldn't get a deal from a contender & most likely turned down pretenders.

[GSH]

He can be 6'7".

:lol

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn I remember RB being a solid contributor for the Wiz last year..He'd be a great backup/insurance option for the team. Like most have already said, it looks like Jimmer is really going to have a standout TC. I think Jimmer and McCallum cancel each other out with the edge going to Ray.

[rastaspur]

Butler had a great year last year all things considered got some lift back in his legs and still has a relatively quick step. The year before that I was thinking he was done. It was a nice bounce back year.

He definitely can contribute some this year and I want him on the spurs instead of jimmer. But if pop is comfortable with Simmons and Anderson contributing then what's the point to carry Butler. Butlers future with the spurs is contingent upon how Simmons and Anderson look in camp.

[GSH]

Bottom line, Butler isn't a guy who creates offense - which is what you'd expect from a training camp invitee. His play has a lot more to do with the players around him than with his age. Put him on a shit team, and he pretty much goes to shit with them. Put him on a decent team that can get him some open looks, and he's pretty good at knocking them down. If you think the Spurs are a good team this year, then he's probably a positive addition. He's not a defensive stopper, but he's comfortably average, which is all you should expect from a training camp invitee.

I didn't check, but I expect he's played in fewer playoff games than Patty Mills. But he's been around long enough to be pretty well-seasoned. If this is really a team that is one of the favorites for the LOB, then they are going to need to be solid all the time, and not just some of the time. Butler is a lot more likely to be steady than Jimmer.

My opinion, the future is this year for the Spurs. They can worry about next year... next year. This season should be all about tweaking last year's near-miss team, and getting #6. I expect that's why they are looking at RB vs. Fredette.

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs going all win this year

[loveforthegame]

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[SAGirl]

Bottom line, Butler isn't a guy who creates offense - which is what you'd expect from a training camp invitee. His play has a lot more to do with the players around him than with his age. Put him on a shit team, and he pretty much goes to shit with them. Put him on a decent team that can get him some open looks, and he's pretty good at knocking them down. If you think the Spurs are a good team this year, then he's probably a positive addition. He's not a defensive stopper, but he's comfortably average, which is all you should expect from a training camp invitee.

I didn't check, but I expect he's played in fewer playoff games than Patty Mills. But he's been around long enough to be pretty well-seasoned. If this is really a team that is one of the favorites for the LOB, then they are going to need to be solid all the time, and not just some of the time. Butler is a lot more likely to be steady than Jimmer.

My opinion, the future is this year for the Spurs. They can worry about next year... next year. This season should be all about tweaking last year's near-miss team, and getting #6. I expect that's why they are looking at RB vs. Fredette.

Yea, I really think that last spot specifically will go to the guy who performed the best, but if both Jimmer and Butler perform well enough, it's going to depend on how other guys do and is totally out of their control. Like rataspur said above, if Simmons and Anderson look good and make Rasual Butler look like a luxury, that decreases his appeal. On the other hand, if Tony continues to look awful and you can foresee a season where guard depth is going to be a huge need, you might regret not picking up Jimmer for the season.

Bottom line, if both Jimmer and Butler shoot well, its going to depend on what the team needs the most. Veteran help to mentor Kyle and Simmons? An old vet to possibly come and knock down some shots if these guys are having a cold night? That is Butler. Does the team need more guard depth instead? Does it look like Tony and Manu will need more rest than you thought? Are you convinced fully that you will not regret going for a few games of the season (hopefully just a few) with less guard depth if there are injuries? Then that's Jimmer you want.

I really can't give the edge to one guy or another without seeing how everyone else is performing and foreseeing what will be a bigger need for the team. Kyle and Simmons are not known shooters though, that is why Butler is here. I tend to agree that its Jimmer vs. Butler. Jimmer being younger and a more dynamic scorer if he gets going, kind of makes me root for him, but its really on him to play well.

[Gladney to see you]

Butler won't be on this team.

[rastaspur]

Butler won't be on this team.

Is that you, rc?

[admiralsnackbar]

Butler won't be on this team. Dewey defeats Truman!

[ceperez]

Yea, I really think that last spot specifically will go to the guy who performed the best, but if both Jimmer and Butler perform well enough, it's going to depend on how other guys do and is totally out of their control. Like rataspur said above, if Simmons and Anderson look good and make Rasual Butler look like a luxury, that decreases his appeal. On the other hand, if Tony continues to look awful and you can foresee a season where guard depth is going to be a huge need, you might regret not picking up Jimmer for the season.

Bottom line, if both Jimmer and Butler shoot well, its going to depend on what the team needs the most. Veteran help to mentor Kyle and Simmons? An old vet to possibly come and knock down some shots if these guys are having a cold night? That is Butler. Does the team need more guard depth instead? Does it look like Tony and Manu will need more rest than you thought? Are you convinced fully that you will not regret going for a few games of the season (hopefully just a few) with less guard depth if there are injuries? Then that's Jimmer you want.

I really can't give the edge to one guy or another without seeing how everyone else is performing and foreseeing what will be a bigger need for the team. Kyle and Simmons are not known shooters though, that is why Butler is here. I tend to agree that its Jimmer vs. Butler. Jimmer being younger and a more dynamic scorer if he gets going, kind of makes me root for him, but its really on him to play well.

What are Butler's 3 point percentages anyway? I don't think they are remarkably better than either Simmons or Anderson.

We absolutely have to assume that both Parker and Ginobili will be taking a lot of rest. In fact, the probability that either one of them isn't healthy come play off time is extremely high. Therefore, those two spots absolutely need a capable backup.

Parker is backed up by McCallum and Fredette
Ginobili is backed up either by Simmons or Anderson. Anderson can orchestrate offense, but Simmons can slash like Ginobili.
I don't see Spurs needing a stiff like Buttler backing up a missing Ginobili.

[tholdren]

Butler had a great year last year all things considered got some lift back in his legs and still has a relatively quick step. The year before that I was thinking he was done. It was a nice bounce back year.

He definitely can contribute some this year and I want him on the spurs instead of jimmer. But if pop is comfortable with Simmons and Anderson contributing then what's the point to carry Butler. Butlers future with the spurs is contingent upon how Simmons and Anderson look in camp.

HE WAS A NEGATIVE 3 IN PER FOR THE PLAYOFFS....

[Ignignokt]

ITT Crypto Kikes and New age Males doing the trendy cuck thing and bashing whites.

[rastaspur]

HE WAS A NEGATIVE 3 IN PER FOR THE PLAYOFFS....

All things considered.

Consider this - in 2013-14 he logged less than 500 minutes on the season. Last year he had a defined role on a playoff team. Sounds like a definite improvement and a great season when compared to the season before.

Playing 7 minutes a game on a team one year and more than doubling that the next year is a bounce back season at 35.

His per for regular season last year - 11.44
Jimmers per for last season - under 10

[DJR210]

Rasual can fucking shoot.. Not sure another 1 dimensional shooter is needed considering Bonner is the golden jew who never gets injured

[Big P]

I would take Butler over Williams, no question.

[tholdren]

All things considered.

Consider this - in 2013-14 he logged less than 500 minutes on the season. Last year he had a defined role on a playoff team. Sounds like a definite improvement and a great season when compared to the season before.

Playing 7 minutes a game on a team one year and more than doubling that the next year is a bounce back season at 35.

His per for regular season last year - 11.44
Jimmers per for last season - under 10

13-14 he had better shooting stats and winshare per 48.

14-15 he had a lower PER during the regular season, than 13/14, despite playing 1500 minutes. He also had a lower shooting percentage than the previous year. Then he gets to the playoffs, on a good team, and plays like dog shit. Why would SA want that? So he could sub during the regular season then never play during the playoffs, or even worse, play and suck during the playoffs? I see no upside with him over a younger player that SA could groom into the 15th man.

[Kawhitstorm]

HE WAS A NEGATIVE 3 IN PER FOR THE PLAYOFFS....

Idiot, he barely played in the playoffs b/c Wittman all of a sudden decided he was going to ride Otto Potter & play Pierce at the 4. Rasual did his job which was to eat up minutes to keep Pierce fresh for the postseason. His job w/ the Spurs will be to eat up minutes at the wing to keep Danny/Kawhi/Manu fresh & mentor Simmons/Kyle without bitching/whining unlike Stephen Jackson/Finley. Come playoff time he will just be a situational player ala Bonner.

[rastaspur]

Idiot, he barely played in the playoffs b/c Wittman all of a sudden decided he was going to ride Otto Potter & play Pierce at the 4. Rasual did his job which was to eat up minutes to keep Pierce fresh for the postseason. His job w/ the Spurs will be to eat up minutes at the wing to keep Danny/Kawhi/Manu fresh & mentor Simmons/Kyle without bitching/whining unlike Stephen Jackson/Finley. Come playoff time he will just be a situational player ala Bonner.
Good post. Dude has proven himself over the course of a decade and is still serviceable. Jimmer, OTOH, has proven nothing in the NBA.

However, as I said earlier, if Anderson and Simmons don't look like dogshit in training camp then Butler will not make this team.

All this back and forth banter is immaterial though. If patfo has to count on key contributions coming from either of these players then the titanic has already sprung a leak. Minute eaters at best should be the ceiling for either player

[hooperflash]

:hat Jimmy Butler

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol not sure why people are citing advanced metrics and such for Rasual Butler, tbh..

He's a veteran presence that will eat up minutes during the regular season as a 12th-15th man..he's not going to play in the playoffs, nor should he..he shot around 45% from 3 during the first half of last season, and finished at 38 or 39% IIRC, he did his job, as Kawhistorm said..

IMO, this is insurance more than anything, his role/spot will probably be determined by the performances of the unproven young guys during camp and preseason..

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I honestly like Rasual Butler better than Caron Butler. Rasual is excusively a spot up shooter and a pretty solid defender. Caron is a lower percentage shooter, an inefficient scorer, a ball stopper and a bad attitude guy. Rasual will be an adequate Belinelli replacement. He should definitely be our 4th wing, unless Simmons really impresses. I don't want ninehead turtle to play at all.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

:lol not sure why people are citing advanced metrics and such for Rasual Butler, tbh..

He's a veteran presence that will eat up minutes during the regular season as a 12th-15th man..he's not going to play in the playoffs, nor should he..he shot around 45% from 3 during the first half of last season, and finished at 38 or 39% IIRC, he did his job, as Kawhistorm said..

IMO, this is insurance more than anything, his role/spot will probably be determined by the performances of the unproven young guys during camp and preseason..
4th wing in the regular season, won't play in the playoffs except possibly in garbage time... still better than any other trash we can trot out at 4th wing, I'm not sold on Simmons just from summer league

[Kawhitstorm]

However, as I said earlier, if Anderson and Simmons don't look like dogshit in training camp then Butler will not make this team.

All this back and forth banter is immaterial though. If patfo has to count on key contributions coming from either of these players then the titanic has already sprung a leak. Minute eaters at best should be the ceiling for either player

Even as a minute eater Bonner played decent amount of minutes to piss people off for his sole existence on the roster. Butler is a guy who has a game that can hold up against bench wing players on the other hand Jimmer plays a position that's overloaded w/ talent & has flaws/deficiencies in his game that would have fans sighing when he checks into the game. Besides, I don't see why Butler won't beat out Jimmer/Reggie/DeShaun for the finals spot if he plays up to his capabilities especially considering there really isn't a better Marco replacement in the FA market that can be had for the vet min.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs have enough guards already. Butler is a much more obvious choice because for one the swingmen are interchangeable for the most part and he is also a solid 3 point shooter, a veteran presence on the team, and someone who can eat up some minutes in blowouts during the regular season or in rest games or if Simmons/Anderson are sucking. He will do his job without complaining and not take much money to do it.

[wildbill2u]

Butler has been with seven teams since 2010 as a reserve, 2 years with less than 10 min. per game, but I was surprised to see that he got/could play 20 minutes last year with Washington. Definitely a journeyman/veteran who's always been on the bubble for most of his career. Shoots a decent percentage from the arc.

I see him in competition with Jimmer with age and defense being the two deciding factors between the two and Thomas as a wild card. Depends on how much Thomas learned in Europe that he can show in camp.

[rastaspur]

Even as a minute eater Bonner played decent amount of minutes to piss people off for his sole existence on the roster. Butler is a guy who has a game that can hold up against bench wing players on the other hand Jimmer plays a position that's overloaded w/ talent & has flaws/deficiencies in his game that would have fans sighing when he checks into the game. Besides, I don't see why Butler won't beat out Jimmer/Reggie/DeShaun for the finals spot if he plays up to his capabilities especially considering there really isn't a better Marco replacement in the FA market that can be had for the vet min.

I'd prefer to have Butler over jimmer. But if Anderson and Simmons are ready to contribute then it makes sense to carry a scoring pg/sg for insurance, especially considering parkers potential decline or if other pgs get injured.

[Ice009]

I'd prefer to have Butler over jimmer. But if Anderson and Simmons are ready to contribute then it makes sense to carry a scoring pg/sg for insurance, especially considering parkers potential decline or if other pgs get injured.

Not if Jimmer's defense is worse than Parker's horrendous defense from last season. I won't allow that on the team. I don't give a shit how good his offense is, he can't be a really bad defender and stay on this team. He's going to have to show he can play some defense if he's to stay on the team.

[rastaspur]

Not if Jimmer's defense is worse than Parker's horrendous defense from last season. I won't allow that on the team. I don't give a shit how good his offense is, he can't be a really bad defender and stay on this team. He's going to have to show he can play some defense if he's to stay on the team.

He definitely can't be a complete defensive liability. I'm thinking he makes the team but is cut by early January before his remaining salary becomes guaranteed.

I think Simmons will have a role this year. I like this kid. He's going to eat up some sf minutes. And that's how jimmer gets that 15th spot. Patfo seem to see it that way because the money is following and telling of their forecast of how things will shake out

[wildbill2u]

I'd prefer to have Butler over jimmer. But if Anderson and Simmons are ready to contribute then it makes sense to carry a scoring pg/sg for insurance, especially considering parkers potential decline or if other pgs get injured.

I think Butler has always played SG/SF and probably has little or no experience at PG. He's working for one of the backup slots at SG/SF

[rastaspur]

Jimmer as pg/sg insurance. Not rasual

[dbestpro]

Move Bonner to front office, and keep both Butler, and Jimmer. if someone goes down or blows, then activate Bonner.

[RayTdropout]

this bUm sucks get his ass out of here

[Nathan89]

Jimmer is more useful as insurance to a Patty,Simmons, or Gino injury. Rasual is much insurance for an injury to anyone.

[ceperez]

Spurs that can dribble the ball:

Parker
Mills
McCallum
Ginobili
Simmons
Anderson
Diaw
Leonard
Fredette

Spurs that can't dribble but can assist:

Green
Marjanovic
Duncan
West
Aldridge

Spurs that can't do either:

Bonner
Butler

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Spurs that can dribble the ball:

Parker
Mills
McCallum
Ginobili
Simmons
Anderson
Diaw
Leonard
Fredette

Spurs that can't dribble but can assist:

Green
Marjanovic
Duncan
West
Aldridge

Spurs that can't do either:

Bonner
Butler
Spurs that can dribble the ball faster than my 2 year old nephew:::


All except one.

[SAGirl]

Spurs that can dribble the ball:

Parker
Mills
McCallum
Ginobili
Simmons
Anderson
Diaw
Leonard
Fredette

Spurs that can't dribble but can assist:

Green
Marjanovic
Duncan
West
Aldridge

Spurs that can't do either:

Bonner
Butler

Good reasoning. I haven't been sold on Bonner returning because there are many big men in the team nowadays who can shoot and are better. His signing seemed a bit redundant. He can only legitimately be subbed in as a 4 (a 5 with Timmy, but we all know Timmy is the real 5 ok? lol), and the team has many options at the 4 now. Used to be we had bench big men who could not shoot and had to play close to the basket, but that is not the case now. I think Bonner is garbage time minutes eater, but for that role, you can even roll out Anderson as a 4. The fact other bench bodies out there are versatile and can play several spots helps them over Bonner's case. I can't envision Pop cutting Bonner for Butler though, so we'll see.

Even when you have more guards, you have to account for the fact that you will need every bit of what guard depth you have with Tony and Manu having scheduled rest and possible injuries, and then you have to account for random injuries to other guys as well, bc someone else is bound to be out at some point for some games as well. What I am saying is guard depth is not as solid as it would seem, whereas bench depth at the 4 spot is the best in the team.

[tholdren]

Idiot, he barely played in the playoffs b/c Wittman all of a sudden decided he was going to ride Otto Potter & play Pierce at the 4. Rasual did his job which was to eat up minutes to keep Pierce fresh for the postseason. His job w/ the Spurs will be to eat up minutes at the wing to keep Danny/Kawhi/Manu fresh & mentor Simmons/Kyle without bitching/whining unlike Stephen Jackson/Finley. Come playoff time he will just be a situational player ala Bonner.

Right, so take an end-of-career player and put him in the regular season, something that pop and company don't play for. Get rid of a younger, high character guy who you could groom to be every bit as good as joseph and actually use in future regular season and playoff games.

Wonder why your guy only got 7 minutes?

Turdstorm strikes again

[Kawhitstorm]

Right, so take an end-of-career player and put him in the regular season, something that pop and company don't play for. Get rid of a younger, high character guy who you could groom to be every bit as good as joseph and actually use in future regular season and playoff games.

Wonder why your guy only got 7 minutes?

Turdstorm strikes again

I wonder why Jimmer wasn't even on the Pelicans playoff roster & got demoted by Tony Douglas? Idiot, the addition of Butler is for the UPCOMING SEASON b/c last I checked the Big 3 are on their last legs & D-West is probably going to opt-out next season. For the UPCOMING season the team NEEDS a PROVEN wing-player that can spread the floor & eat up minutes in the regular season. The team knows what to expect from Butler & he won't rock the boat if he isn't getting minutes which probably would be an issue for Jimmer since he's trying to make it in the league. It's not like Jimmer is going anywhere next summer if the team ever needs an undersized shooting guard. Pop will have done his due diligence by inviting him to training camp.

[Kawhitstorm]

Good reasoning. I haven't been sold on Bonner returning because there are many big men in the team nowadays who can shoot and are better. His signing seemed a bit redundant. He can only legitimately be subbed in as a 4 (a 5 with Timmy, but we all know Timmy is the real 5 ok? lol), and the team has many options at the 4 now. Used to be we had bench big men who could not shoot and had to play close to the basket, but that is not the case now. I think Bonner is garbage time minutes eater, but for that role, you can even roll out Anderson as a 4. The fact other bench bodies out there are versatile and can play several spots helps them over Bonner's case. I can't envision Pop cutting Bonner for Butler though, so we'll see.

Even when you have more guards, you have to account for the fact that you will need every bit of what guard depth you have with Tony and Manu having scheduled rest and possible injuries, and then you have to account for random injuries to other guys as well, bc someone else is bound to be out at some point for some games as well. What I am saying is guard depth is not as solid as it would seem, whereas bench depth at the 4 spot is the best in the team.

If Jimmer has a good showing in camp then waving Bonner isn't far fetched since they both have partially guaranteed contracts thus money is irrelevant. I hope that happens b/c the Jimmer nut huggers are going to bitch & whine when Butler misses a FT (Butler isn't much better than Kawhi in that department). I have no issues w/ Jimmer being on the squad as long as it's over Bonner.

[TheDoctor]

From a coaching staff point of view, if they are looking at Butler or Mormonner for that #15 spot, they gotta be extremely excited and anxious with their situation. It means you have a team with a pretty nice depth. I may say evaluating each combo of players to find that balance, cohesion and get used to each other is the hard part.

[tholdren]

yes he can

[Chinook]

yes he can

Yes. I have no idea what he's talking about. Is Spurtacular wants to see what blind Jimmer hate looks like, that's his man right there.

[tholdren]

George Hill starts at PG, dribbling skill seems to have no bearing on it

[Kawhitstorm]

George Hill starts at PG, dribbling skill seems to have no bearing on it

There is a reason why the Pacers offense was shitty as fuck last season. When they were contenders, Lance was their point guard & Paul George used to handle the ball a lot; Hill was merely a spot up shooter/scoring guard.

[Ditty]

It would be nice if Butler, and one of Jimmer/Williams stayed while Bonner ends up getting cut and take a development coach position for the mean time. I doubt it though. He's a fan favorite for most casual Spurs fans :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

It would be nice if Butler, and one of Jimmer/Williams stayed while Bonner ends up getting cut and take a development coach position for the mean time. I doubt it though. He's a fan favorite for most casual Spurs fans :lol

Pop did trade Bruce Bowen so it's not far fetched.