Illegals bringing their disputes and ways with them over the border

[m>s]

Bean on bean crime

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/29/illegal-immigrant-accused-gruesome-executions-burning-corpses-texas/

[Winehole23]

there are benefits, too


For receiving countries, meanwhile, the verdict on migration is even more favorable. A good example of the benefits is to be found in the United Kingdom—despite the fact that many Britons (https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/western-europe/2015-03-01/failure-multiculturalism) deeply resent immigrants. Contrary to popular mythology, the United Kingdom’s immigrants are, on average, better educated, more productive, and less of a burden on public services than native-born citizens. Almost half of the British-born work force left school at 16 or younger; fewer than one in five foreign-born workers abandoned the classroom so early. At the other end of the spectrum, 46 percent of recent immigrants to the United Kingdom in 2005 stayed in education until age 21 or beyond; only 16 percent of native Britons were as well educated. Meanwhile, just over a third of British residents are either too young or too old to work and pay taxes, whereas the vast majority of migrants are in the prime of their productive years. In London, where 37 percent of residents were born abroad, migrants account for fully 60 percent of the labor force in parts of the city.



Migrants, then, boost output and are net contributors to the United Kingdom’s public finances. But do they nonetheless harm low-skilled native workers by flooding the labor market and depressing wages? At first glance, this is a plausible story: migrants often compete for low-skilled jobs despite having good educational qualifications. But studies in the United Kingdom and in the United States have shown that migrants do surprisingly little to depress wages for low-skilled native workers. One reason may be that low-skilled natives can shift into occupations that place a premium on English-language skills, for which migrants represent limited competition. Another may be that workers compete not just with one another but also with machines, so that when migrants swell the labor force, businesses spend less on automation and hire more workers. The supply of jobs thus rises to match the increased pool of job seekers, and wages remain more or less unaltered.


Seen from the standpoint of global welfare, migration offers a clear win. The positive impacts of migration on host economies, meanwhile, tend to be underappreciated because they are tricky to measure. As the economist Jonathan Portes has argued, migrants bring new ideas and methods, offering native-born workers opportunities to learn and adapt. They increase competition for jobs, spurring natives to acquire new skills and to stay in the educational system longer. Evidence from the United Kingdom and the United States suggests that migrants are more likely to register patents than natives (http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/09-005.pdf); even more striking, migrants’ success in this respect spurs natives to register more patents, too. By enriching and diversifying the supply of labor and by sharpening competitive incentives, immigration can boost productivity across host economies.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2015-09-28/net-benefits

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155003

[Winehole23]

net economic gain for Texas:


The Comptroller’s office estimates the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our Gross State Product of $17.7 billion. Also, the Comptroller’s office estimates that state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million (Exhibit 18). http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/

[boutons_deux]

How Conservative Media Obliterated The Space For "Compassionate Conservatism" On Immigration

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2015/09/28/conservativecompassion2.jpg

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/09/30/how-conservative-media-obliterated-the-space-fo/205859

[m>s]

Whine hole posting propaganda and lies itt

[m>s]

It's time that "muh gdp" stopped being the end all be off of policy setting. It sure hasn't contributed to real wage growth or improved standard of living, also how much will money matter to those murdered by illegals? They're just acceptable collateral damage for "muh cheap workers and GDP" right you clown?

[Winehole23]

Whine hole posting propaganda and lies ittthat you can't see past your own nose doesn't make reports of the Texas Comptroller propaganda. immigration isn't all positive or all negative. the value of the negative things you consistently stress are unknowable until you balance them with the benefits.

[Winehole23]

you can't have free markets without the free movement of goods and labor. but you're not really a free market guy, are you?

[Ignignokt]

you can't have free markets without the free movement of goods and labor. but you're not really a free market guy, are you?

orwellian double speak being used here.

[Winehole23]

classical liberalism, aka laissez-faire capitalism. nativists aren't really into it.

[m>s]

No I'm totally against extreme libertarian free market I've stated this plenty. You either have a country with borders or you don't. Some things are more important than muh cheap workers.

[Winehole23]

we do have a country with borders

[Clipper Nation]

you can't have free markets without the free movement of goods and labor. but you're not really a free market guy, are you?
You can't have a free market without strong property rights, and illegal immigration is an attack on property rights writ large.

[Clipper Nation]

The libertarian case against open borders:

https://mises.org/system/tdf/13_2_3_0.pdf?file=1&type=document

[boutons_deux]

You can't have a free market without strong property rights, and illegal immigration is an attack on property rights writ large.

MERS totally rapes chain of title, allowing BigFinance to steal Ms of homes.

[m>s]

we do have a country with borders
Well we don't enforce them, we don't even know who's here

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Well we don't enforce them, we don't even know who's here

We know your dumbass is here and can't see the facts. Just thank the next immigrant you run in to, which is the next person, for the food on your table.

[m>s]

We know your dumbass is here and can't see the facts. Just thank the next immigrant you run in to, which is the next person, for the food on your table.
Lmao shut the fuck up, this country managed just fine before massive amounts of third world immigration. Things were better actually

[I. Hustle]

Lmao shut the fuck up, this country managed just fine before massive amounts of third world immigration. Things were better actually

You talking about when the Native Americans were here? When was this time that you speak of?

[m>s]

No things were not better then but by "native" Americans do you mean uncivilized Mongol migrants?

[Winehole23]

Well we don't enforce them, we don't even know who's hereactually, not true. there's more border enforcement now than there ever has been. the American tradition is not enforcing it. that's changed.

[Winehole23]

we didn't have a giant bureaucracy to enforce it before WWII, much less the level of militarization we have now. so, you're wrong on all counts, as usual.

[Clipper Nation]

actually, not true. there's more border enforcement now than there ever has been. the American tradition is not enforcing it. that's changed.
Bullshit. Eisenhower enforced the border way more than it's protected now. He had hundreds of thousands of illegals deported with only a thousand Border Patrol agents at his disposal. There's no excuse for illegal immigration still being such a big problem with all the manpower and technology we have now compared to then.

[Quetzal-X]

tbh Hopefully it will get more and more eurocucks to self-deport back to europe to witness the cucking of europe live and in the flesh. I applaud you faggot hoes self-deporting.

[boutons_deux]

"There's no excuse for illegal immigration still being such a big problem"

it's not a big problem for most Americans. It's fabricated outrage by your cocksucking Repugs to rouse rightwingnut rabble as yourself.

btw, your hero St Ronnie NATURALIZED (AMNESTIED!) 3M illegals.

the Repugs' best policy for reducing, even reversing, illegal migration is their govt austerity and budget cutting at all govt levels, which of course also fucks over Americans, but that's OK with Repug ideology.

[m>s]

tbh Hopefully it will get more and more eurocucks to self-deport back to europe to witness the cucking of europe live and in the flesh. I applaud you faggot hoes self-deporting.
You'll starve without our tax and labor funding your incompetent ass.

[Winehole23]

Bullshit. Eisenhower enforced the border way more than it's protected now. He had hundreds of thousands of illegals deported with only a thousand Border Patrol agents at his disposal. There's no excuse for illegal immigration still being such a big problem with all the manpower and technology we have now compared to then.compared to the 80s and 90s, and even the early 2000s, it isn't such a big problem. the Reagan amnesty, then NAFTA, caused the wave from Mexico and Central America.

[pgardn]

Whine hole posting propaganda and lies itt

One of the most honest, fair minded posters on the board IMO.

Look in the mirror. You will see "your" Winehole.

[m>s]

I no longer respond to shitposting or drivel, come with something substantial or get lost in the void