Danny Green taking shots at Kawhi Leonard

[TheGreatYacht]

Reporter: Talking to one of your staffers yesterday, this person said that they noticed just how much more easier it is to score when he's [LMA] on the bucket. You know, obviously you guys like to move the ball, move players, but you have to execute hard to manufacture buckets at times and with him, it's just you just give it to him and he can score. Have you noticed that facet? Just how much easier it can be?

Danny: Definitely, definitely. We didn't have one of those guys where you just throw the ball to and say "Go get us a bucket", um, we have that now with him [LMA], and David West can do the same. So, um, that helps when were not shooting well and there's a drought, but it makes it easier to score because you cant double team anybody with there being a lot of threats on the floor....





:lol Yet some player fan neck beards on here are questioning Aldridge taking too many shots. Like DG said, we didn't have a go to scorer last year. No matter how much you hype up Kawhi, no one on the team believes he's a go-to scorer.. Thus showing just how hard Pop tried to recruit LMAlpha, a true first option.

[TheGreatYacht]

LINK: http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams/spurs/2015/09/29/1443555847453-green-camp.mp4-34163

6:05 minute mark. No made up quotes here.

[Clipper Nation]

Damn, Verde just exposing Enrique Porker as the choke artist and fake "star" pretending to be a first option that he is.

[TheGreatYacht]

You'd expect someone with a 20M/yr contract to be a primary option.. But nope. Green exposing Betas, per par.

[Mikeanaro]

So scoring is everything at basketball? no surprise OP is a big Porker fan, he scores... with the lowest % ever and zero ball movement/court vision/passing skills.

[testies]

Kawhi is too busy shutting down monsters like Barnes and Alexey Shved, it explains his subpar offense

[TheGreatYacht]

So scoring is everything at basketball? no surprise OP is a big Porker fan, he scores... with the lowest % ever and zero ball movement/court vision/passing skills.
2014-2015 season:

Tony Parker FG% - 48.6%
Kawhi Leonard FG% - 47.9%

Tony Parker AST% - 28.7%
Kawhi Leonard AST% - 13.0% (career-high)

Tony Parker APG Per 36 - 6.2
Kawhi Leonard APG Per 36 - 2.9 (career-high)

:lmao Parker's worst season still outplaying a 20M/yr player in his prime

[YGWHI]

Thus showing just how hard Pop tried to recruit LMAlpha, a true first option.

Aldridge's true first option, nothing new.
Kawhi's already one of the most impactful players in the league, his stats on both ends say that, and he didn't need to be the Spurs' go-to scorer to get those numbers.

So what's the big deal?

[YGWHI]

2014-2015 season:

Tony Parker FG% - 48.6%
Kawhi Leonard FG% - 47.9%

0.7 is outplaying?? :lmao


Tony Parker APG Per 36 - 6.2
Kawhi Leonard APG Per 36 - 2.9 (career-high)


Comparing APG between a point guard and a power foward? Just image if we compare RPG between Kawhi and Parker...

[pookenstein]

Since when is KL a PF other than in certain small ball stances? But I agree, APG shouldn't matter comparing KL/TP.

[Mikeanaro]

2014-2015 season:

Tony Parker FG% - 48.6%
Kawhi Leonard FG% - 47.9%

Tony Parker AST% - 28.7%
Kawhi Leonard AST% - 13.0% (career-high)

Tony Parker APG Per 36 - 6.2
Kawhi Leonard APG Per 36 - 2.9 (career-high)

:lmao Parker's worst season still outplaying a 20M/yr player in his prime
Yeah, considering it was Kiwi worst season and this http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252838&p=8204359#post8204359
Now who is outplaying who?
In 555 minutes last season with Kawhi Leonard on the court and Tony Parker off, the Spurs had a +16.0 net rating: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252838&p=8204359#post8204359)http://on.nba.com/1FGfUHQ

In 476 minutes last season with Tony Parker on the court and Kawhi Leonard off, the Spurs were -10.5 per 100: http://on.nba.com/1FGg6Xz (http://t.co/pq8YNQ8tU9) (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252838&p=8204359#post8204359)

[TheGreatYacht]

0.7 is outplaying?? :lmao
If Parker shoots in volumes and low FG%, like Mikeanraro said, what does that say about Kawhi? :lmao




Comparing APG between a point guard and a power foward? Just image if we compare RPG between Kawhi and Parker...
Kawhi is a PF now? Kiwitards changing history books as we know it :wow

Comparing assists would actually make sense, idiot. They both have similar Usage percentages, but one chose to be a selfish fuck with the ball.

Tony Parker USG% - 24.5
Kawhi Leonard USG% - 23.0

:downspin: This....

[YGWHI]

2014-2015 season:

Tony Parker FG% - 48.6%
Kawhi Leonard FG% - 47.9%

:lmao Parker's worst season still outplaying a 20M/yr player in his prime

Outplaying? 0.7? What's about these numbers...

Parker
36.3 FG% 0 3P% in last playoffs

Leonard
47.7 FG% 42.3 3P% in last playoffs

Parker -11.4 FG% -42.3 3P%

I guess 11.4/42.3 >>>>>>>>>> 0.7...this really mean outplaying a player

[TheGreatYacht]

Yeah, considering it was Kiwi worst season and this
Funny, same can be said for Parker. Yet you still count his last season as a grading curve for his career. Double standard much?

:cry Stahp! It was his worst season :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

Outplaying? 0.7? What's about these numbers...

Parker
36.3 FG% 0 3P% in last playoffs

Leonard
47.7 FG% 42.3 3P% in last playoffs

Parker -11.4 FG% -42.3 3P%

I guess 11.4/42.3 >>>>>>>>>> 0.7...this really mean outplaying a player
Oh, NOW playoff stats count... :lmao

But the season where we ring and Parker is statistically our best offensive player throughout the playoffs doesn't count. It's an asterisk*

One was guarded by the best defensive PG in the NBA, other was guarded by a 36yr old washed up scrub who punked your boy out when it mattered.

[TheGreatYacht]

How sad is it when OP has nothing to do with Parker, yet Kiwitards bring him up and use him as a grading scale... When they themselves call him a Top 300 player, at best....

:worthy: Thanks LMAlpha for rescuing this franchise from another first round bye led by Kawhi

[YGWHI]

Kawhi is a PF now? Kiwitards changing history books as we know it :wow
My bad, I mean he's a foward, a small foward, not a guard.


Comparing assists would actually make sense, idiot. They both have similar Usage percentages, but one chose to be a selfish fuck with the ball
Makes sense??

-Parker took more shots than Kawhi in the regular season

-Kawhi didn't have the ball in his hands like Parker

-Parker's the point guard who should distribute the ball, not Kawhi.

-Pop told Kawhi he shouldn't defer anymore, he should look for his own shot instead of passing the ball.

-By the way, if those numbers are true...Parker's asts rate is so low for a starter PG on a contender

[YGWHI]

Oh, NOW playoff stats count... :lmao

Now? Of course...in the last two playoffs stats didn't count for Parker stans

[Mikeanaro]

Funny, same can be said for Parker. Yet you still count his last season as a grading curve for his career. Double standard much?

:cry Stahp! It was his worst season :cry
What about the this? there is a 26 point differential between those 2 on/off court with Porker being the worst

Do you still think he is outplaying a 20 mil/year player in his prime?

[rasuo214]

Danny Green taking shots at Parker and TD...


:rolleyes


The Parker vs Kawhi shit is so played out. It's a new season come up with new material.

[YGWHI]

How sad is it when OP has nothing to do with Parker
My first post has nothing to do with Parker


Aldridge's true first option, nothing new.
Kawhi's already one of the most impactful players in the league, his stats on both ends say that, and he didn't need to be the Spurs' go-to scorer to get those numbers.

So what's the big deal

You're the guy posting Parker's stats and comparing him with Kawhi, here.

Anyway, it's hard to believe someone can think Parker at this point in his career is a better player than Kawhi.

[TheGreatYacht]

-Parker took more shots than Kawhi in the regular season
Kawhi missed games due to pink eye and sore pinky.
Parker FGA - 12.2
Leonard FGA - 12.8


-Kawhi didn't have the ball in his hands like Parker
Yes he did. Already stated USG% above. Like you said, Pop wanted Kawhi to control the ball more and quit differing.


-Parker's the point guard who should distribute the ball, not Kawhi.
You know this is the Spurs, right? You should probably give your suggestion to Pop on how the ball should go through one player and not the whole team.


-Pop told Kawhi he shouldn't defer anymore, he should look for his own shot than pass the ball.
*Looks at our playoff performance* .... I noticed.


-By the way, if those numbers are true...Parker's asts rate is so low for a starter PG on a contender
No if's, they are true. Again, it's not Parker's job to spoon feed the 4 other guys, that's what the system is for.

[YGWHI]

What about the this? there is a 26 point differential between those 2 on/off court with Parker being the worst

Do you still think he is outplaying a 20 mil/year player in his prime?

Wow.

[dabom]

Taking a shit on porker who can only score and can't do it anymore. :lmao

[YGWHI]

Kawhi missed games due to pink eye and broken hand
Parker missed games too and still took more shots than Kawhi


Yes he did. Already stated USG% above.
No, he didn't. Parker USG%>Kawhi USG%.


No if's, they are true. Again, it's not Parker's job to spoon feed the 4 other guys, that's what the system is for.
Of course..."the system"

[YGWHI]

Since when is KL a PF other than in certain small ball stances?
My bad. I meant foward, a small foward, it makes no sense to compare ASP forward stats with guard's stats.


But I agree, APG shouldn't matter comparing KL/TP.
:tu

[DeRozan m8]

How does anyone think Parker was better than Kawhi last year?

Its straight up stupidity tbh

[Dex]

Wow, another Kawhi vs. Parker thread.

Original stuff, fellas. Keep the hits coming. :rolleyes

[TheGreatYacht]

How does anyone think Parker was better than Kawhi last year?

Its straight up stupidity tbh
No one does. But for some reason every time Kawhi gets called out, Parker has to come in to the discussion.. I know he's a future first ballot HOF, but chill.

Discuss OP

[DeRozan m8]

Kawhi is a legend already and will be a GOAT
Just wait til he's off the leash : )

[Kool Bob Love]

Great find TGY. :tu

holy shit you have the System Player fans upset.:wow

[DeRozan m8]

Great find TGY. :tu

holy shit you have the System Player fans upset.:wow

Once again, wait til he's off the leash fgt

[TheGreatYacht]

Great find TGY. :tu

holy shit you have the System Player fans upset.:wow
Appreciate it fam :tu

LDN sending subliminal messages without throwing anyone under the bus. Class act by our best wing

[YGWHI]

How does anyone think Parker was better than Kawhi last year?


No one does.

This is from the guy who said...

Parker's worst season still outplaying a 20M/yr player in his prime

:lol

[DeRozan m8]

Yep.
The blokes either nuts or full of shit hahah

[YGWHI]

Kawhi is a legend already and will be a GOAT
http://i.imgur.com/fKBeqwn.jpg
:hat

I really like your vision of Kawhi's future.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i.imgur.com/fKBeqwn.jpg
:hat

I really like your vision of Kawhi's future.
:sequ ..... :vomit:

[YGWHI]

:lmao


I wonder what will happen with these Parker stans/haters in two years...Your end is near.

Poor TGY...

[DeRozan m8]

http://i.imgur.com/fKBeqwn.jpg
:hat

I really like your vision of Kawhi's future.

This is a very great post

[YGWHI]

GREEN ALAWAYS INVISIBLE IN PLAYOFFS

C'mon...he had great playoffs series. Against the Warriors in 2013, against the Heat in the Finals, the whole series against the Thunder.

Danny's one of the best NBA one-on-one defenders, and Kawhi and Danny are the best perimeter defensive duo in the league.

You think Kawhi can defend -at the same time- Westbrook AND Durant? Irving AND Lebron? Curry AND Thompson? He can't do it alone, Parker's a liability on defense, Aldridge's a dream addition, he's upgrading the offense, but we'll miss Tiago's defense...the Spurs need Danny so much.

[YGWHI]

GREEN ALAWAYS INVISIBLE IN PLAYOFFS

TheGreatYacht is a stupid troll/hater/Parker stan, but there are a lot of better arguments to expose him than talking about Danny's performance in playoffs.

[hater]

Green is right.

Crazy that some idiots here disagreee...

[SupremeGuy]

Yeah, considering it was Kiwi worst season and this http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252838&p=8204359#post8204359
Now who is outplaying who?
In 555 minutes last season with Kawhi Leonard on the court and Tony Parker off, the Spurs had a +16.0 net rating: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252838&p=8204359#post8204359)http://on.nba.com/1FGfUHQ

In 476 minutes last season with Tony Parker on the court and Kawhi Leonard off, the Spurs were -10.5 per 100: (http://t.co/pq8YNQ8tU9)http://on.nba.com/1FGg6Xz (http://t.co/HdeYHKknAK)It's hilarious how the short bus keeps avoiding this post the way thegreatbitch's crush avoids him.

[DeRozan m8]

Parkers defense is right in 2k...he must have about a zero rating

[hater]

Damn :lol lots of tears from kawhitards this morning :lmao

[YGWHI]

If for "tears" he means amazing Kawhi's stats...I agree. :hat

[TheGreatYacht]

Green is right.

Crazy that some idiots here disagreee...

[TheGreatYacht]

GREEN ALAWAYS INVISIBLE IN PLAYOFFS
Wait.... They're turning on Green now? :nope

[YGWHI]

they=one guy in the thread :lmao

That's why he said playoffs' stats don't count...he doesn't know how to count! poor TGY...:(

[YGWHI]

Teaching simple things to ignorant people

:lol

[Fireball]

Danny Green taking shots FROM Kawhi ...imagine the outrage here

[313]

LDN not afraid to tell it how it is :tu

[cd021]

2014-2015 season:

Tony Parker FG% - 48.6%
Kawhi Leonard FG% - 47.9%

Tony Parker AST% - 28.7%
Kawhi Leonard AST% - 13.0% (career-high)

Tony Parker APG Per 36 - 6.2
Kawhi Leonard APG Per 36 - 2.9 (career-high)

:lmao Parker's worst season still outplaying a 20M/yr player in his prime

This is whats hot in the ST streets now? Cherry picking stats to fit you take. KL did have a net rtg of +17 to Parkers -2 o

Net Rtg
KL- +17
TP- -2

Win Shares Per 100 Possessions

KL- .204 (second by .03 to Duncan)
TP-.100 (right at league average)

P.E.R

KL-22.0 (on par with most all stars)
TP- 15.9 (league average is around 15.0)

Leonard was on rookie scale while Parker was making $12.5 and playing like an average player.

:wakeup

[bklynspursfan]

Man what happened to this place....

[SuperCam]

Verde confirming what many of us forum intellectuals suspected, and the krew tried to deny :tu


Well done Yacht :toast

[Seventyniner]

Man what happened to this place....

It's becoming like Congress with those on each extreme trying to shout down everyone else.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is whats hot in the ST streets now? Cherry picking stats to fit you take. KL did have a net rtg of +17 to Parkers -2 o

Net Rtg
KL- +17
TP- -2

Win Shares Per 100 Possessions

KL- .204 (second by .03 to Duncan)
TP-.100 (right at league average)

P.E.R

KL-22.0 (on par with most all stars)
TP- 15.9 (league average is around 15.0)

Leonard was on rookie scale while Parker was making $12.5 and playing like an average player.

:wakeup
Did you read what I was responding to? Mikenaro said Parker is a sub par chucker and a mediocre passer, just showing he's better at those things than the "#10 ranked player on Sportsnet" :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Verde confirming what many of us forum intellectuals suspected, and the krew tried to deny :tu


Well done Yacht :toast
It's what I do :toast

[K...]

getting trolled by the dumbest troll

:lol

Seriously, I know I'm not innocent, but these really dumb trolling attempts don't merit a response.

Anyone who compares parker to kawhi is a dumb idiot. Parker doesn't prevent kawhi from showing leadership, in fact the more parker sucks the note kawhi should compensate, bit instead it's been the opposite, kawhis best moments have been when the team is rolling.


Also smh green haters. Danny is as important as kawhi on D and more important on O, and isn't gutting the team for a Max salary, is constantly underappreciated by fans because they only care about highlights not fundamental defense.

[YGWHI]

Mikenaro said Parker is a sub par chucker

Low Net Rtg and PER say more about "sub par chucker" than anything.


and a mediocre passer, just showing he's better at those things than the "#10 ranked player on SI.com

Parker's apg is one of the lowest average on a team contender, Paul 10.2 apg, Wall 10, Curry 7.7, Westbrook 8.6, Teague 7.0 in "Spurs-Bud system", Lillard 6.4, me-me Irving 5.2... Parker 4.9

If I were a Parker stan I wouldn't talk about apg...

[YGWHI]

Seriously, I know I'm not innocent, but these really dumb trolling attempts don't merit a response.
It's so funny how these haters talk about trolling to mask their bad takes :lol

That attention to stopping parker paid dividends in letting other spurs players thrive, but it didn't always work because the team lacked elite championship talent during Parker's peak
"The Spurs ruined his career"...


kawhis best moments have been when the team is rolling
Or the team is rolling because Kawhi's balling...who knows. The Spurs' record without him means something.

[YGWHI]

Anyone who compares parker to kawhi is a dumb idiot.

Well, you're a dumb idiot just tell us who was the best player last season, Parker or Kawhi?

[YGWHI]

Anyone who compares parker to kidd and nash is a dumb idiot

You and the other Parker stans say otherwise...

[Brian Windhorst]

:lol "taking shots at Kawhi"
:lol because everyone knows Kawhi was supposed to be our go-to scorer right?
:lol not the PG that does so much else besides score

[BacktoBasics]

Seriously, I know I'm not innocent, but these really dumb trolling attempts don't merit a response.

Anyone who compares parker to kawhi is a dumb idiot. Parker doesn't prevent kawhi from showing leadership, in fact the more parker sucks the note kawhi should compensate, bit instead it's been the opposite, kawhis best moments have been when the team is rolling.


Also smh green haters. Danny is as important as kawhi on D and more important on O, and isn't gutting the team for a Max salary, is constantly underappreciated by fans because they only care about highlights not fundamental defense.The only post in this thread with any measurable amount of rationale...

[YGWHI]

The only post in this thread with any measurable amount of rationale...
Especially...

-"Danny's more important on O than kawhi"

-"the more parker sucks the note kawhi should compensate, bit instead it's been the opposite"
The media compare Parker's stats with Kawhi stats and show how Kawhi helps the Spurs when Parker's off

[SpursBig3s]

I mean you'd think y'all would get tired of posting the same stupid shit every single day, but I guess not. When are we actually gonna talk about basketball?

[hater]

:lol Kawhitards turning on Green :lol

[Kool Bob Love]

Now they are going after Green? Fucking dumbass Kawhi fans. Worse than Kobe fans smh.

[DarrinS]

Now they are going after Green? Fucking dumbass Kawhi fans. Worse than Kobe fans smh.

Meh, one or two posts, and one of those was apparently a joke.

This thread is mostly EnriqueFanBoys, such as yourself, hater, TGY, and Cam circle jerkin.

[DAF86]

"we have that now with him [LMA], and David West can do the same"

The fuck son, the motherfucking fuck? :lol

[K...]

Especially...

-"Danny's more important on O than kawhi"

-"the more parker sucks the note kawhi should compensate, bit instead it's been the opposite"
The media compare Parker's stats with Kawhi stats and show how Kawhi helps the Spurs when Parker's off

Do you really think that Leonard can ever be paired without a dominant playmaker? That he could make plays consistently against common competition? Because pop leans on parker, parker didn't get a secondary ball handler. Kawhi does. Does kawhi run the most complicated plays in NBA history? Parker does.


Again, can you explain...... How parker hurts kawhi? If you say he doesn't pass to kawhi I'll refer you to the team coach. If you say he covers for parker on defense I'll ask you to list teams in which the pg didn't need coverage against athletic talent.

[daslicer]

Now they are going after Green? Fucking dumbass Kawhi fans. Worse than Kobe fans smh.

That's really what I despise about them they have managed to become as delusional as Kobe fans when it comes to evaluating Kawhi's talent and skill level. They have also turned this place into the spurs version of Lakersground.

[K...]

Meh, one or two posts, and one of those was apparently a joke.

This thread is mostly EnriqueFanBoys, such as yourself, hater, TGY, and Cam circle jerkin.

When is the last time you saw a Danny thread that wasn't created to complain about parker?

It's a fact. Kawhi player fans constantly undervalue Danny on both offense and defense. Danny is an equally important defensive player as kawhi and Duncan. Kawhi is the best defensive sf, sure, Danny is the best sg.

Kawhi can guard the best player in the world? Ok, Danny guards the 3,4,5,6 (curry, harden, cp3, Westbrook in no order)

Both are frustrating to watch on offense but both have some amazing highlights.

Can't really explain. Honestly it would make more sense to shit on parker using a fellow guard

[rastaspur]

Porker has got nothing to do with this. Nothing is wrong with that statement. And kawhi is not ready to be a number one scoring option. Aldridge is that dude.
Let's move on. Nothing to see here.

[SAGirl]

Reporter: Talking to one of your staffers yesterday, this person said that they noticed just how much more easier it is to score when he's [LMA] on the bucket. You know, obviously you guys like to move the ball, move players, but you have to execute hard to manufacture buckets at times and with him, it's just you just give it to him and he can score. Have you noticed that facet? Just how much easier it can be?

Danny: Definitely, definitely. We didn't have one of those guys where you just throw the ball to and say "Go get us a bucket", um, we have that now with him [LMA], and David West can do the same. So, um, that helps when were not shooting well and there's a drought, but it makes it easier to score because you cant double team anybody with there being a lot of threats on the floor....





:lol Yet some player fan neck beards on here are questioning Aldridge taking too many shots. Like DG said, we didn't have a go to scorer last year. No matter how much you hype up Kawhi, no one on the team believes he's a go-to scorer.. Thus showing just how hard Pop tried to recruit LMAlpha, a true first option.

Not having a go to scorer hurts specially to close out games and in overtimes. That is really when you get exposed. Last year the Spurs struggled hard in close games and lost several games they should/could have won. To be honest, if they reached the last 2 mins of the 4th quarter within 5 points, you had doubts that they could close that out. The problem wasn't for the most part defensively, (specially to close out the game, during the game yea, there could have been plenty of defensive mistakes). They really didn't have someone to get a bucket at times. They would end up with missed FT from somebody, untimely turnovers, an ill advised Manu 3 that clanked. Just a whole lot of bad execution to close out games.

I also thought when Timmy was asked about Kawhi's leadership he was uncomfortable about that question. Min. 6.36 here
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/archive

He said Kawhi is coming along just fine and will be the leader he needs to be, when he needs to be it and that luckily "we're here" (assume he's talking about the big 3 here), and now the team has LMA and David West, so its a veteran team. He said it will be Kawhi's team in due time if it already isn't (looks away here, I am not sure he's convinced by this). The says that he will need to be the kind of leader that will have to learn on the fly.

Not sure what to make of this except that Kawhi is not ready to be the leader and luckily there are vets in the team. Not to assault him, because I love his game, but he doesn't strike me as a guy who has the personality to lead at all. He comes across as antisocial.

[RayTdropout]

Dannys right kl was not at that level yet last year. Hopefully he can turn into that this year

[SuperCam]

:lol Kawhitards turning on Green :lol


:cry kiwi carrying the defense :cry


typical Kiwitards. Shouldn't be surprised since they'd already gone after tim, pop, the admiral, gervin, and LMAlpha.

[YGWHI]

It's a fact. Kawhi player fans constantly undervalue Danny on both offense and defense.

Really? Most Spurs' fan are Kawhi's fans too, except you and two or three haters here. I'm a Spurs' fan since I can remember, I love Tim, I love Kawhi and..I love Danny too.

I always say Dany's one of the best one-on-one defenders in the league, the true 3-D guy on the team, I undervalue Danny??

I disagree with you, he isn't more important than Kawhi on offense, Kawhi's a really more verstile offensive player and you can't explain why Dany's better than him...

People who like Kawhi's game constantly underrate Danny?? You're not only a stupid hater, but a liar too.

[rastaspur]

I love kawhis game and Danny's game as well. It doesn't have to be a one or the other scenario.

[YGWHI]

Do you really think that Leonard can ever be paired without a dominant playmaker? That he could make plays consistently against common competition? Because pop leans on parker, parker didn't get a secondary ball handler. Kawhi does. Does kawhi run the most complicated plays in NBA history? Parker does.

Again, can you explain...... How parker hurts kawhi? If you say he doesn't pass to kawhi I'll refer you to the team coach. If you say he covers for parker on defense I'll ask you to list teams in which the pg didn't need coverage against athletic talent.

You said "the more parker sucks the note kawhi should compensate, bit instead it's been the opposite" but the stats say otherwise.

If Kawhi can run the offense or not...we need to watch it more often to know. What we really know is he's improving a lot in that area of his game. He was top 15 NBA player in scoring efficiency running the pick and roll.

I shouldn't explain how Parker hurts Kawhi because I never said that, all we know that Parker's decline hurt the Spurs last season but that had nothing to do with Kawhi.

[YGWHI]

I love kawhis game and Danny's game as well. It doesn't have to be a one or the other scenario.
Like most Spurs fans.

K... saying "they undervalue someone" wants to polarize people, he loves to antagonize each other, it's his job, troll's job.

[lefty]

Damn, Verde just exposing Enrique Porker as the choke artist and fake "star" pretending to be a first option that he is.

[rastaspur]

If you had to play devil's advocate and pinpoint who it was directed at then I would agree it was probably Parker . he darn sure wasn't taking a pop shot at Tim.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not having a go to scorer hurts specially to close out games and in overtimes. That is really when you get exposed. Last year the Spurs struggled hard in close games and lost several games they should/could have won. To be honest, if they reached the last 2 mins of the 4th quarter within 5 points, you had doubts that they could close that out. The problem wasn't for the most part defensively, (specially to close out the game, during the game yea, there could have been plenty of defensive mistakes). They really didn't have someone to get a bucket at times. They would end up with missed FT from somebody, untimely turnovers, an ill advised Manu 3 that clanked. Just a whole lot of bad execution to close out games.

I also thought when Timmy was asked about Kawhi's leadership he was uncomfortable about that question. Min. 6.36 here
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/archive

He said Kawhi is coming along just fine and will be the leader he needs to be, when he needs to be it and that luckily "we're here" (assume he's talking about the big 3 here), and now the team has LMA and David West, so its a veteran team. He said it will be Kawhi's team in due time if it already isn't (looks away here, I am not sure he's convinced by this). The says that he will need to be the kind of leader that will have to learn on the fly.

Not sure what to make of this except that Kawhi is not ready to be the leader and luckily there are vets in the team. Not to assault him, because I love his game, but he doesn't strike me as a guy who has the personality to lead at all. He comes across as antisocial.
Good post, I didn't pay attention to that part of Tim's interview but that's interesting. Tim was a quiet leader himself, but his presence was felt throughout the team and league. Kawhi isn't there yet and the team knows that.. Anybody without an agenda knows that. The Big 3's window is closing and teams keep improving. Having LMA lead the way is obviously the way to go right now, don't know why some posters don't get that, tbh.

[rastaspur]

All leaders don't have to be loud and have a strong and dominant personality. Not every leader is s Gary Payton or Michael Jordan. Duncan isn't that way. It is the norm but not a must.

But yes, I agree that kawhi is not the leader of this team. However, i am not foreclosing that possibility in the next few years. He's on pace to become one. This is of no concern to me.

[313]

I disagree with you, he isn't more important than Kawhi on offense, Kawhi's a really more verstile offensive player and you can't explain why Dany's better than him...I'd argue Danny is a lot more important on offense seeing as wehenever he goes cold we go on a losing streak or get knocked out of the playoffs.

[313]

Kawhi isn't there yet
:lol implying he'll ever get there

Guys on the team have said Kawhi can go weeks without talking to anyone. A guy like that can't lead a team. It's not a knock on him as player, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.

[313]

All leaders don't have to be loud and have a strong and dominant personality. Not every leader is s Gary Payton or Michael Jordan. Duncan isn't that way. It is the norm but not a must.

But yes, I agree that kawhi is not the leader of this team. However, i am not foreclosing that possibility in the next few years. He's on pace to become one. This is of no concern to me.
Duncan isn't loud like Kobe, but he is well spoken and has, at the very least, basic socializing skills. Kawhi is antisocial and as articulate as Derrick Rose.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol implying he'll ever get there

Guys on the team have said Kawhi can go weeks without talking to anyone. A guy like that can't lead a team. It's not a knock on him as player, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.
He's got the tools, but like you said, the dude doesn't have leader skills. From clips I've seen of him in college, he wasn't always like this.. Aldridge on the other hand, ain't scared to put L:lolllard in his place :tu

[313]

He's got the tools, but like you said, the dude doesn't have leader skills. From clips I've seen of him in college, he wasn't always like this.. Aldridge on the other hand, ain't scared to put L:lolllard in his place :tu
Yo I always saw that gif on here of him laughing at Jimmer but other than that I hadn't seen any clips of ihm in college. Is that him dancing at :23

jeKLRi8ngBo

Weird that he would become more introverted as an NBA player.

[TheGreatYacht]

Yo I always saw that gif on here of him laughing at Jimmer but other than that I hadn't seen any clips of ihm in college. Is that him dancing at :23

jeKLRi8ngBo

Weird that he would become more introverted as an NBA player.
It had to be, Josh Davis wasn't on that team. wtf I've never seen that Carlton dance clip :lol

[Aztecfan03]

Reporter: Talking to one of your staffers yesterday, this person said that they noticed just how much more easier it is to score when he's [LMA] on the bucket. You know, obviously you guys like to move the ball, move players, but you have to execute hard to manufacture buckets at times and with him, it's just you just give it to him and he can score. Have you noticed that facet? Just how much easier it can be?

Danny: Definitely, definitely. We didn't have one of those guys where you just throw the ball to and say "Go get us a bucket", um, we have that now with him [LMA], and David West can do the same. So, um, that helps when were not shooting well and there's a drought, but it makes it easier to score because you cant double team anybody with there being a lot of threats on the floor....





:lol Yet some player fan neck beards on here are questioning Aldridge taking too many shots. Like DG said, we didn't have a go to scorer last year. No matter how much you hype up Kawhi, no one on the team believes he's a go-to scorer.. Thus showing just how hard Pop tried to recruit LMAlpha, a true first option.

That isn't taking shots. That's the obvious truth.

[Aztecfan03]

Yo I always saw that gif on here of him laughing at Jimmer but other than that I hadn't seen any clips of ihm in college. Is that him dancing at :23

jeKLRi8ngBo

Weird that he would become more introverted as an NBA player.

I feel like coming into the Spurs Tim and Pop plays at least some part in that. the young guys respect the legacy and all that.

[tholdren]

That isn't taking shots unless. That's the obvious truth.
Yes, no one views KL as an elite scorer.

[TheGreatYacht]

That isn't taking shots. That's the obvious truth.
^ One of the few posters who never disappoints :tu

[Two10Whitey]

I give Kawhi the ball in 2k16 whenever I want to score. It's awesome tbh.

[DeRozan m8]

^ This

Anyone worked out how to use Green on O in 2k16?
**** can't get open for 3s and is practically useless half the time

Also, LMA drops the ball at the site of the opposition.

[SAGirl]

^ This

Anyone worked out how to use Green on O in 2k16?
**** can't get open for 3s and is practically useless half the time

Also, LMA drops the ball at the site of the opposition. I don't play that game, but that is funny :lol

[Gladney to see you]

Kawhi has to bring it every game. He doesn't. He is an awesome player and should be all the time at this point in his career.

[Mr Bones]

Wow, another Kawhi vs. Parker thread.

Original stuff, fellas. Keep the hits coming. :rolleyes

[bic50]

Only a dumbphuck would see this as a shot from green to kawhi. But of course its the usual 4-5 dumbphucks that see it as just that. smh

[TheGreatYacht]

Only a dumbphuck
The irony.

[Kawhitstorm]

I feel like coming into the Spurs Tim and Pop plays at least some part in that. the young guys respect the legacy and all that.

Introverts aren't necessarily shy; they act a certain way depending on the setting. I'm an introvert myself & there are certain folks I don't care to interact with (who end up thinking I'm shy) but I've no issues socializing with someone that I find to be interesting. People label introverts as shy b/c they don't care much for going out & socializing w/ random folks at a clubs/bars but it's really b/c they don't care much for small talk/random conversations & not b/c they are scared of people. We introvert like to focus our energy on things that TRULY matter to us & small talk/random conversation isn't one of them besides just b/c we don't laugh at your corny jokes it doesn't mean we don't have a sense of humor.....it just means that we find you to be corny.

Tim/Kawhi avoid the media b/c they hates wasting energy interacting w/ people they doesn't find to be interesting & partaking in small talk/random conversation not b/c they are scared of the media. Kawhi is young & still learning how to handle the media but at this point of their careers, they are probably more comfortable w/ public speaking than numerous so call extroverts b/c they have done it numerous times. People forget Pippen (the guys Kawhi get compared to) was a country boy when he came into the league & was never a media darling. Derrick Rose on the other hand is shy since he tends to talk on the court w/ other players & is friendly w/ the local media but doesn't seem comfortable in front of strangers/national media.

I would only be worried about a person if they have low self-esteem (not the same as shy) & last I checked Tim/Kawhi are two pretty confident fellas.

[DMC]

2014-2015 season:

Tony Parker FG% - 48.6%
Kawhi Leonard FG% - 47.9%

Tony Parker AST% - 28.7%
Kawhi Leonard AST% - 13.0% (career-high)

Tony Parker APG Per 36 - 6.2
Kawhi Leonard APG Per 36 - 2.9 (career-high)

:lmao Parker's worst season still outplaying a 20M/yr player in his prime

There's no such as APG per 36m. It's APG or AP 36m.

[Kawhitstorm]

There's no such as APG per 36m. It's APG or AP 36m.

He graduated cum laude from special ed so give him a break.

[DMC]

Yo I always saw that gif on here of him laughing at Jimmer but other than that I hadn't seen any clips of ihm in college. Is that him dancing at :23

jeKLRi8ngBo

Weird that he would become more introverted as an NBA player.I realize most NBA players just become empowered to display their immaturity on a world stage, however some actually do mature as they age.

[AFMadison]

Reporter: Talking to one of your staffers yesterday, this person said that they noticed just how much more easier it is to score when he's [LMA] on the bucket. You know, obviously you guys like to move the ball, move players, but you have to execute hard to manufacture buckets at times and with him, it's just you just give it to him and he can score. Have you noticed that facet? Just how much easier it can be?

Danny: Definitely, definitely. We didn't have one of those guys where you just throw the ball to and say "Go get us a bucket", um, we have that now with him [LMA], and David West can do the same. So, um, that helps when were not shooting well and there's a drought, but it makes it easier to score because you cant double team anybody with there being a lot of threats on the floor....





:lol Yet some player fan neck beards on here are questioning Aldridge taking too many shots. Like DG said, we didn't have a go to scorer last year. No matter how much you hype up Kawhi, no one on the team believes he's a go-to scorer.. Thus showing just how hard Pop tried to recruit LMAlpha, a true first option.

Kinda funny to see the (Kawhi only) fans freak out and get so defensive

[313]

I realize most NBA players just become empowered to display their immaturity on a world stage, however some actually do mature as they age.

It's not really maturity thing. I'm sure losing his father at like 16 matured him quite a bit. It's the fact that in the NBA you're in the spotlight more often, and more inclined to be in social situations. Which I would assume would encourage someone to become more social rather than less tbh if that makes sense

[TheGreatYacht]

Kinda funny to see the (Kawhi only) fans freak out and get so defensive
Yup. Going at legends, future HOF's, and now Green.... Smfh these little queers need to get shipped to Syria

[bklynspursfan]

It's becoming like Congress with those on each extreme trying to shout down everyone else.

it's just so much nonsense here, so yea lol. The posting quality has dropped, the agenda's are getting old. Very little basketball discussion these days here

[YGWHI]

I'd argue Danny is a lot more important on offense seeing as wehenever he goes cold we go on a losing streak or get knocked out of the playoffs.
Three point-shooters like Danny or Beli are more important on offense than a versatile offensive player like Kawhi, a top 10-15 NBA player, the #5/#6 offensive option is more important than the #1/#2 option...this makes you seem a little crazy but it's fine, Spurstalk is full of crazy people lately.

For the record, Kawhi always raised his three-point shooting in playoffs, sadly we can't say the same about other players.
2011-12 37.6 3P% in the regular season 45% in playoffs
2012-13 37.4 3P% in the regular season 39% in playoffs
2013-14 37.9 3P% in the regular season 41.9% in playoffs
2014-15 34.9 3P% in the regular season 42.3 % in playoffs

[YGWHI]

I also thought when Timmy was asked about Kawhi's leadership he was uncomfortable about that question. Min. 6.36 here
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/archive

He said Kawhi is coming along just fine and will be the leader he needs to be, when he needs to be it and that luckily "we're here" (assume he's talking about the big 3 here), and now the team has LMA and David West, so its a veteran team. He said it will be Kawhi's team in due time if it already isn't (looks away here, I am not sure he's convinced by this). The says that he will need to be the kind of leader that will have to learn on the fly.

Not sure what to make of this except that Kawhi is not ready to be the leader and luckily there are vets in the team.

Or he meant just what he said.
Sometimes you don't have to interpret, just listen, instead of thinking "what he meant when he said this line..."

Kawhi is coming along just fine and will be the leader he needs to be, when he needs to be it and that luckily we're here, it will be Kawhi's team in due time if it already isn't.

Nobody forced Tim to say these things.
He could say "well... it's about Kawhi and LaMarcus now" "it's their team" or something like this, and both players would have been fine with it, but he still said Kawhi's team.

I'm not afraid of Spurs leadership transition, Duncan is and will be the leader of the team until he retires, he thinks Kawhi'll be ready to be that guy then, and Tim knows better than anyone how is when a young player needs to step up because the former team-leader left the team.

[SAGirl]

Or he meant just what he said.
Sometimes you don't have to interpret, just listen, instead of thinking "what he meant when he said this line..."

Kawhi is coming along just fine and will be the leader he needs to be, when he needs to be it and that luckily we're here, it will be Kawhi's team in due time if it already isn't.

Nobody forced Tim to say these things.
He could say "well... it's about Kawhi and LaMarcus now" "it's their team" or something like this, and both players would have been fine with it, but he still said Kawhi's team.

I'm not afraid of Spurs leadership transition, Duncan is and will be the leader of the team until he retires, he thinks Kawhi'll be ready to be that guy then, and Tim knows better than anyone how is when a young player needs to step up because the former team-leader left the team.

I am not afraid either. Afraid is kind of a strong word. You just know the vets are the leaders here, Tim says its going to be Kawhi's team if it already isn't, because its Tim and he's not going to be there proclaiming that Kawhi is not ready and its not his team. He says what you expect, but his body language shows he's not comfortable with that assessment, and he looks away from the eyes of the person asking. Make of it as you will.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kawhi's primary focus has always been defense. He wasn't a scorer in college. He wasn't a scorer when he came to the Spurs. He's worked hard to develop an offensive game and is a great compliment as a 2nd option on the offensive end. I believe the Spurs asked too much of him in last year's playoffs from an offensive standpoint, but what were their other options? Green was off, Manu was slowed, Parker was hobbled, and Tim was almost 40 years old.

Green wasn't taking a 'shot' at Leonard. He was acknowledging LMA's greatness on the offensive end.

The DPOY, at his age, probably earns him a max deal no matter what he's doing on offense. Dennis Rodman would be a max player in today's NBA and he couldn't make a layup.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi's primary focus has always been defense. He wasn't a scorer in college. He wasn't a scorer when he came to the Spurs. He's worked hard to develop an offensive game and is a great compliment as a 2nd option on the offensive end. I believe the Spurs asked too much of him in last year's playoffs from an offensive standpoint, but what were their other options? Green was off, Manu was slowed, Parker was hobbled, and Tim was almost 40 years old.

Green wasn't taking a 'shot' at Leonard. He was acknowledging LMA's greatness on the offensive end.

The DPOY, at his age, probably earns him a max deal no matter what he's doing on offense. Dennis Rodman would be a max player in today's NBA and he couldn't make a layup.
Right on the money!!!
:toast

[pgardn]

Same old boring ST shtick, setting players in opposition to each other.

Bunch of Middle school girls.
" CN, Goboom, and apoplectic say Tony is fat so they call him Porker"

"Oh yeah, Well the Great Floating Turd says KL is retarded"

Bunch of putrid little insects...

[Kawhitstorm]

For the record, Kawhi always raised his three-point shooting in playoffs, sadly we can't say the same about other players.
2011-12 37.6 3P% in the regular season 45% in playoffs
2012-13 37.4 3P% in the regular season 39% in playoffs
2013-14 37.9 3P% in the regular season 41.9% in playoffs
2014-15 34.9 3P% in the regular season 42.3 % in playoffs

Kawhi is the modern day Big Game James Worthy & as unappreciated as Scottie Pippen.

[K...]

Three point-shooters like Danny or Beli are more important on offense than a versatile offensive player like Kawhi, a top 10-15 NBA player, the #5/#6 offensive option is more important than the #1/#2 option...this makes you seem a little crazy but it's fine, Spurstalk is full of crazy people lately.

For the record, Kawhi always raised his three-point shooting in playoffs, sadly we can't say the same about other players.
2011-12 37.6 3P% in the regular season 45% in playoffs
2012-13 37.4 3P% in the regular season 39% in playoffs
2013-14 37.9 3P% in the regular season 41.9% in playoffs
2014-15 34.9 3P% in the regular season 42.3 % in playoffs

Lmao when did Leonard become reliable as a second option? Even by icy hot standards is take green I offense over Kawhi. Yes green is probably at his peak while Leonard will likely become a better player. But it's sad when Kawhi player fans resort to fantasy to make their points. Just enjoy Leonard for who he is and stop trying to white knight a multi millions salaried player.

[K...]

Fwiw this and always was a dumb troll thread. There's literally no substance to the op point. Yet moths to the flame........

[tholdren]

Kawhi is the modern day Big Game James Worthy & as unappreciated as Scottie Pippen.

Get out of here with that. He lost a finals with a FT. Lost to the Clips because he couldn't score. He's the modern day bruce bowen. The end

[Kawhitstorm]

Lmao when did Leonard become reliable as a second option? Even by icy hot standards is take green I offense over Kawhi. Yes green is probably at his peak while Leonard will likely become a better player. But it's sad when Kawhi player fans resort to fantasy to make their points. Just enjoy Leonard for who he is and stop trying to white knight a multi millions salaried player.

Yes you would take Danny's zero point till Gm 7 while taking open shots b/c you are an idiot.

[tholdren]

Yes you would take Danny's zero point till Gm 7 while taking open shots b/c you are an idiot.
LOL check Leonard's brick FT that cost a ring. = why he's not a #1 or #2.

good for him he got LMA. it will allow him to be a terrific 4th option... unstoppable

[Kawhitstorm]

LOL check Leonard's brick FT that cost a ring. = why he's not a #1 or #2.

good for him he got LMA. it will allow him to be a terrific 4th option... unstoppable

Shut the fuck up & go back to mowing the lawn.

[TheGreatYacht]

^ :cry Sthap insulting my idol, log off! :cry ^

[Kawhitstorm]

^ :cry Sthap insulting my idol, log off! :cry ^

As usual, I'm pretty sure this will be the most productive thing you will have done for the rest of the day. You won't be missed if you disappeared off the face of this earth.

[SuperCam]

LOL check Leonard's brick FT that cost a ring. = why he's not a #1 or #2.

good for him he got LMA. it will allow him to be a terrific 4th option... unstoppable


this, tbh. he will thrive in this super beta role, and can carry LMAlpha's luggage around during roadtrips

[TheGreatYacht]

As usual, I'm pretty sure this will be the most productive thing you will have done for the rest of the day. You won't be missed if you disappeared off the face of this earth.
You're on par to pass me up in posts in 1/8th of the time...

[Kawhi 5-0]

Reporter: Talking to one of your staffers yesterday, this person said that they noticed just how much more easier it is to score when he's [LMA] on the bucket. You know, obviously you guys like to move the ball, move players, but you have to execute hard to manufacture buckets at times and with him, it's just you just give it to him and he can score. Have you noticed that facet? Just how much easier it can be?

Danny: Definitely, definitely. We didn't have one of those guys where you just throw the ball to and say "Go get us a bucket", um, we have that now with him [LMA], and David West can do the same. So, um, that helps when were not shooting well and there's a drought, but it makes it easier to score because you cant double team anybody with there being a lot of threats on the floor....





:lol Yet some player fan neck beards on here are questioning Aldridge taking too many shots. Like DG said, we didn't have a go to scorer last year. No matter how much you hype up Kawhi, no one on the team believes he's a go-to scorer.. Thus showing just how hard Pop tried to recruit LMAlpha, a true first option.


This thread misconstrues Danny's statement. That's not a shot at Kawhi. However, if it was a shot at Kawhi, then it would equally be a shot at Duncan. Moreover, what kind of "reporter" uses the verbiage "more easier"?

[Kawhitstorm]

You're on par to pass me up in posts in 1/8th of the time...

Except I actually do this on my free time instead of watching commercial TV, the flavor of the month show on Netflix or playing video games against 9 year olds. Besides, my posts usually have substance unless I'm trolling a troll such as yourself.

[TheGreatYacht]

Except I actually do this on my free time instead of watching commercial TV, the flavor of the month show on Netflix or playing video games against 9 year olds. Besides, my posts usually have substance unless I'm trolling a troll such as yourself.
Don't breakdown.

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread misconstrues Danny's statement. That's not a shot at Kawhi. However, if it was a shot at Kawhi, then it would equally be a shot at Duncan. Moreover, what kind of "reporter" uses the verbiage "more easier"?
I don't know who asked the question, Dan McCarney is my best guess?

[Kawhitstorm]

Don't breakdown.

You're the one that's having a breakdown & spewing nonsense like a bitch that got dumped.

[DMC]

It's not really maturity thing. I'm sure losing his father at like 16 matured him quite a bit. It's the fact that in the NBA you're in the spotlight more often, and more inclined to be in social situations. Which I would assume would encourage someone to become more social rather than less tbh if that makes sense
Acting like an idiot isn't synonymous with being social.

[DMC]

TheGreatShit and Shitstorm are shitty posters.

[Kawhitstorm]

TheGreatShit and Shitstorm are shitty posters.

Fuck what you think

[tholdren]

Shut the fuck up & go back to mowing the lawn.
boo hooo

[TheGreatYacht]

TheGreatShit and Shitstorm are shitty posters.
Get back downstairs, queer.

[313]

Acting like an idiot isn't synonymous with being social.>Implying that I thought it was

Don't be such a tight ass, D.

[Kawhi 5-0]

I don't know who asked the question, Dan McCarney is my best guess?

Good to know. It's just ironic because "easier" is both more correct and even easier than "more easier".

[YGWHI]

Kawhi is the modern day Big Game James Worthy & as unappreciated as Scottie Pippen.
:tu
You read my mind bro

[YGWHI]

Lmao when did Leonard become reliable as a second option?

a terrific 4th option...
These haters...How can they be so stupid? :lmao


Just enjoy Leonard for who he is
I do it, I enjoy the fact that he's a top 10-15 player, the Spurs' most impactful player.

[tholdren]

[QUOTE=YGWHI;8207980]These haters...How can they be so stupid? :lmao


I do it, I enjoy the fact that he's a top 10-15 player, the Spurs' most impactful player.[/QUOTE

yet, he couldn't score in games 5-7 of last year during crunch time. Most impactful player? Tim had more steals last post season.

[YGWHI]

yet, he couldn't score in games 5-7 of last year during crunch time

So...he had a few bad games in playoffs? Like many other players in decisive games, Lebron 3-14 in game 5 against the Celtics, Dirk 2-13 in game 6 against the Warriors, shooting only 38.3 FG% in the whole series, Allen 0-13 against Lakers...I've said before, the list is extensive.
Why do you think 2 or 3 bad games in playoffs are going to define his career? Kawhi has improved consistently every season, why do you think it's a sure thing that he won't get better this new season?


Most impactful player?
Yes, the Spurs record without him says it, like his stats on/off court in the regular season. Say whatever you want about him, but he was the biggest barometer for Spurs' performances in the last two seasons.


Tim had more steals last post season
I wonder why you think Tim's steals in playoffs are an important contribution but underestimate Kawhi as NBA leader in steals and defensive ratings leader in the regular season.

Why is it so hard for you to admit he's improving a lot on both ends? His post-up game is elite, he looks very comfortable and fluid with his turnaround fadeaway, he couldn't shoot in college, now he's a good three point shooter and developing a strong mid-range game. Also, he's improving in areas we certainly didn't expect, three years ago who would have thought he would be able to run the pick and roll...but he was top 15 in scoring efficiency running the p&r last season.

I'm not saying he has an unlimited skill level on offense, but he isn't Spurs #4th option, sadly, you're stupid enough to think it.