Kawhi's numbers with Barnes On/Off court

[hater]

This is not a bashing or d*ck riding thread, just pure facts, straight outta NBA.COM



Barnes - ON Court
FGM
FGA
FG%


Restricted Area
0.7
1.3
50.0


In The Paint (Non-RA)
0.0
0.7
0.0

Mid-Range
0.7
2.3
28.6

Left Corner 3
0.3
0.7
50.0

Right Corner 3
1.0
2.0
50.0

Above the Break 3
0.3
2.7
12.5






Barnes - Off Court
FGM
FGA
FG%


Restricted Area
1.0
1.3
75.0


In The Paint (Non-RA)
1.5
3.0
50.0

Mid-Range
1.3
2.3
57.1

Left Corner 3
0.0
0.0
0.0

Right Corner 3
0.0
0.0
0.0
Above the Break 3
0.3
1.0
33.3

[Ignignokt]

Barnes - ON Court
FGM
FGA
FG%


Restricted Area
0.7
1.3
50.0


In The Paint (Non-RA)
0.0
0.7
0.0

Mid-Range
0.7
2.3
28.6

Left Corner 3
0.3
0.7
50.0

Right Corner 3
1.0
2.0
50.0

Above the Break 3
0.3
2.7
12.5

Backcourt
0.0
0.0
0.0






Barnes - Off Court
FGM
FGA
FG%


Restricted Area
1.0
1.3
75.0


In The Paint (Non-RA)
1.5
3.0
50.0

Mid-Range
1.3
2.3
57.1

Left Corner 3
0.0
0.0
0.0

Right Corner 3
0.0
0.0
0.0
Above the Break 3
0.3
1.0
33.3



Op being brutal with the truth.

[in2deep]

:wow damn



he turns into a 3pt chucking machine when Barnes comes in :pctoss

[TheGreatYacht]

Truth Nukem

[jehawk81]

Great thread! OP proving he is one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum

[tholdren]

LOL.... but but but

from those stats KL shoots 33% with barnes on and 66% with barnes off....

[TheGreatYacht]

Short bus is gonna stay away from this thread like Apo does with hair products

[HarlemHeat37]

Great thread! OP proving he is one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum

:lmao OP is actually known for having the shittiest predictions on ST, tbh..

It's cute when certain posters try to use numbers for the first time, though, it's like a baby taking his first steps, but stumbling and cracking his head against a table:lol..

[tholdren]

:lmao OP is actually known for having the shittiest predictions on ST, tbh..
yet, if his stats are real, says something about your take.

[HarlemHeat37]

yet, if his stats are real, says something about your take.

His stats are poorly used with a horrible sample size(pretty sure it's literally the first time he has ever used numbers here), and I was one of the few that predicted Clippers in 7 while most of you morons denied Parker's decline all year, tbh:lol..

[hater]

:cry well I predicted us to lose anyway :cry (kicks can and walks away)

LOL

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm actually a big fan of hater, I've said it many times, I disagree with 99% of his takes, but he's entertaining, unlike GreatYacht, Koon Bob Love, etc..his shticks and trolling points are pretty solid, game recognize game..

Best part about hater is that the opposite of what he says usually occurs, which is typically good for the Spurs..he said Beli should replace Green in 2014, which led to Green having a historically shooting run in the playoffs..said Manu was done, Manu was amazing in the 2014 playoffs..negative effect on MVParker, but now he's turned on TP, which means he's probably going to have a solid season:toast

[tholdren]

His stats are poorly used with a horrible sample size(pretty sure it's literally the first time he has ever used numbers here), and I was one of the few that predicted Clippers in 7 while most of you morons denied Parker's decline all year, tbh:lol..

So what you are saying is, that no one can be analyzed in one playoff series?

[Hoops Czar]

His stats are poorly used with a horrible sample size(pretty sure it's literally the first time he has ever used numbers here), and I was one of the few that predicted Clippers in 7 while most of you morons denied Parker's decline all year, tbh:lol..

Maybe so, but there's literally no denying how bad Leonard was in the postseason and how much better the Spurs were as a team with Leonard on the bench.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/on-off/2015/#on-off-post::none


(http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/on-off/2015/#on-off-post::none)

[daledondale]

:lmao OP is actually known for having the shittiest predictions on ST, tbh..

It's cute when certain posters try to use numbers for the first time, though, it's like a baby taking his first steps, but stumbling and cracking his head against a table:lol..
This. Also:
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/571/040/4ed.gif

[tholdren]

Maybe so, but there's literally no denying how bad Leonard was in the postseason and how much better the Spurs were as a team with Leonard on the bench.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/on-off/2015/#on-off-post::none
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/on-off/2015/#on-off-post::none)

Harlem heat won't accept that sample size

[ElNono]

Best part about hater is that the opposite of what he says usually occurs, which is typically good for the Spurs..he said Beli should replace Green in 2014, which led to Green having a historically shooting run in the playoffs..said Manu was done, Manu was amazing in the 2014 playoffs..negative effect on MVParker, but now he's turned on TP, which means he's probably going to have a solid season:toast

this is true... his "Tim Duncan is done" was followed by Tim's rejuvenation, and "Adams the next Ibaka" basically sealed the WCF for us...

[FkLA]

Best part about hater is that the opposite of what he says usually occurs,

:lol...


I refuse to believe we will lose to Tom Rivers, Cpchoke, Griffiths and Desimian (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246639)

call me a homer. But I refuse to believe we will lose to this group of known chokers and whiners. We know damn well when the going gets though they will start to whine and whine.

who's with me????

Spurs in 6


Damn now I feel even worse given the OP's track record. His boy Rique is killing the Spurs on the court and he's out here giving them the kiss of death with his dumbass threads smh.

[ElNono]

:lol

[313]

:wow damn



he turns into a 3pt chucking machine when Barnes comes in :pctoss
It's logical to assume that when barnes is on the court, so is Deandre Jordan which would deter Kawhi from driving but I don't have any numbers to support this. It also doesn't defend Kawhi's drop off from mid range.

Kawhi confirmed Matt Barnes' son :wow

[rasuo214]

Matt Barnes vs Kawhi:

FG% 28.3 when Kawhi was on court
FG% 55 when Kawhi was off court

just pure facts guys, not trying to hate on your favorite Matt Barnes. Saw them on NBA.com

[313]

this is true... his "Tim Duncan is done" was followed by Tim's rejuvenation, and "Adams the next Ibaka" basically sealed the WCF for us...
Hater doing the Lord's work tbh don't jinx his jinx

[HarlemHeat37]

So what you are saying is, that no one can be analyzed in one playoff series?

1. I don't think people can overreact to 1 series, I've said that before, but it doesn't matter to me, that wasn't what I meant for sample size
2. This isn't a matter of just 1 series, you're using a sample size of the minutes for Kawhi on the floor vs. Barnes off the floor, which was probably around a total of 20 mins:lol
3. Clippers have arguably the worst bench in the NBA, and Barnes(slightly above average defender) has arguably the worst perimeter defender in the NBA(Crawford) as his backup, along with 40-year old, out of shape Turkoglu as his other backup:lol..he also plays with a great rim protector in the starting unit, as opposed to 6'7 Big Baby Davis on the bench, too..

It's also ignoring the units and role that Leonard played earlier in the series..he completely dominated Barnes during the 1st 3 games, he didn't forget how to play basketball overnight:lol..

[tholdren]

1. I don't think people can overreact to 1 series, I've said that before, but it doesn't matter to me, that wasn't what I meant for sample size
2. This isn't a matter of just 1 series, you're using a sample size of the minutes for Kawhi on the floor vs. Barnes off the floor, which was probably around a total of 20 mins:lol
3. Clippers have arguably the worst bench in the NBA, and Barnes(slightly above average defender) has arguably the worst perimeter defender in the NBA(Crawford) as his backup, along with 40-year old, out of shape Turkoglu as his other backup:lol..he also plays with a great rim protector in the starting unit, as opposed to 6'7 Big Baby Davis on the bench, too..

It's also ignoring the units and role that Leonard played earlier in the series..he completely dominated Barnes during the 1st 3 games, he didn't forget how to play basketball overnight:lol..

The only number I care about, if these stats are real, would be the 33% when barnes is on the court. If it is legit, then the argument that Barnes shut down KL has some merit. the KL on off the court was an interesting post as well.

[HarlemHeat37]

Maybe so, but there's literally no denying how bad Leonard was in the postseason and how much better the Spurs were as a team with Leonard on the bench.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/on-off/2015/#on-off-post::none


(http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/on-off/2015/#on-off-post::none)

:lmao unadjusted on/off numbers for individual players..virtually useless, tbh, even ignoring the sample size..

[hater]

:lol ignoring the defensive adjustments teams do as series go along :lol

:lol ignoring a 25% point difference :lol

[NASpurs]

MVPRivers :wow

http://i.imgur.com/PPifsS0.jpg

[hater]

Kawhi confirmed Matt Barnes' son :wow

http://thecannibalist.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a4ea77cc970b01676154d8d3970b-pi

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol ignoring the defensive adjustments teams do as series go along :lol

:lol ignoring a 25% point difference :lol

Matt Barnes made an adjustment to make himself a better defender, overnight?

[hater]

Matt Barnes made an adjustment to make himself a better defender, overnight?

"and you call yourself a spursfan"

http://www.quotecollection.com/author-images/bruce-bowen-4.jpg

[NASpurs]

Those are regular season numbers, here are the playoff numbers

http://i.imgur.com/LUzsoz3.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

"and you call yourself a spursfan"

http://www.quotecollection.com/author-images/bruce-bowen-4.jpg

Matt Barnes became one of the best perimeter defenders of his generation after watching film of what Kawhi did during the first 3 games? :lol

[hater]

Matt Barnes became one of the best perimeter defenders Kawhi has faced

FIFY

It took 3 games for Barnes to neutralize Van Horn :lmao

[Silver&Black]

I've picked the Spurs to win every series they've played in since 1999....call me a homer I guess.

:cheer

[HarlemHeat37]

Anyways, Kawhi was pretty bad in the latter part of the series, could have played better, had virtually nothing to do with Barnes..overall, he wasn't one of the top 5 reasons the Spurs lose the series, and part of his struggles late in the series were due to circumstance and alteration of role, but hopefully he continues to improve his footwork and go-to moves..

Realistically, though, even if he improves and you put him in the same position again, the team would probably still fail due to the 5-man personnel on the floor and it's limitations..too easy for teams to defend with Parker on the floor + Duncan's inability to make jump shots + Kawhi's inconsistent J..fortunately, Aldridge will help change that..

Teams with a SF(that isn't a point-forward like Lebron and Bird, extremely rare) as a #1 option generally fail to win, anyways..

[tholdren]

Anyways, Kawhi was pretty bad in the latter part of the series, could have played better, had virtually nothing to do with Barnes..overall, he wasn't one of the top 5 reasons the Spurs lose the series, and part of his struggles late in the series were due to circumstance and alteration of role, but hopefully he continues to improve his footwork and go-to moves..

Realistically, though, even if he improves and you put him in the same position again, the team would probably still fail due to the 5-man personnel on the floor and it's limitations..too easy for teams to defend with Parker on the floor + Duncan's inability to make jump shots + Kawhi's inconsistent J..fortunately, Aldridge will help change that..

Teams with a SF(that isn't a point-forward like Lebron and Bird, extremely rare) as a #1 option generally fail to win, anyways..

I guess I don't understand then, why SA had _____ team stats with KL off the court for 90 minutes?

[dabom]

Hater said tp was looking fit and possibly due for a comeback and porker shit the bed in the euros. Lmao.

[SuperCam]

Wow, OP exposing Kiwi on whole new levels :wow:wow:wow


Thank you for the objective number based take, hater :tu

[tholdren]

I like KL, but he got a free pass because he is an up-and-coming player. He choked his first finals, he couldn't take over last year even after being FMVP, I would expect a resurgence this year with some offensive and defensive pressure taken off of him in the Playoffs.

[SuperCam]

More concerning is why Kiwi put up scrub numbers when MVParker wasn't on the floor, tbh

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao unadjusted on/off numbers for individual players..virtually useless, tbh, even ignoring the sample size..

Only to the untrained eye. Adjusted +/- has its flaws too.... doesn't take into account coaching schemes, teammates on the court or matchups. There is no such thing as a perfect nba stat. A stat geek such as yourself should know this. It doesn't really matter though because no matter what stat I throw in front of you, it will show Kawhi being a very poor defender and a pretty bad offensive player in games 5-7. As a matter of fact, his defensive impact in games 1-5 actually negated some of his offensive prowess. He was downright awful.


Matt Barnes became one of the best perimeter defenders of his generation after watching film of what Kawhi did during the first 3 games? :lol

In order for this to be true, wouldn't Leonard have to be one of the best offensive players of his generation?

[dabom]

Kawhi shit all over lebron both finals. Lmao.

[dabom]

Can someone show me lebron's finals record? Lmao.

[SuperCam]

Only to the untrained eye. Adjusted +/- has its flaws too.... doesn't take into account coaching schemes, teammates on the court or matchups. There is no such thing as a perfect nba stat. A stat geek such as yourself should know this. It doesn't really matter though because no matter what stat I throw in front of you, it will show Kawhi being a very poor defender and a pretty bad offensive player in games 5-7. As a matter of fact, his defensive impact in games 1-5 actually negated some of his offensive prowess. He was downright awful.



In order for this to be true, wouldn't Leonard have to be one of the best offensive players of his generation?

:wow

Ethering :lol

[313]

Kawhi shit all over lebron both finals. Lmao.
6szZ4hbumT0

[313]

Lebron averaged 25(10 more than Kawhi) ppg in 2013 then played even better in 2014 averaging 28(9 more than Kawhi) ppg on 57% shooting and 51% from 3 :wow

[313]

Kawhi spg in 2014; 1.6
LeBron; spg 2.0

:wow

[DarrinS]

Anyways, Kawhi was pretty bad in the latter part of the series, could have played better, had virtually nothing to do with Barnes

And if anyone wants proof, just watch those games again.

[SupremeGuy]

MVPRivers :wow

http://i.imgur.com/PPifsS0.jpgDamn. :lol Keep avoiding this shit short bus.

[DarrinS]

Matt Barnes was so awesome against Kawhi that no one was talking about it and the clippers released him.

:lmao @ ParkerTards

[DarrinS]

ParkerTard krew should write a strongly-worded "open letter" to the Spurs' FO and introduce this powerful Matt Barnes data to support their argument.

:lmao

[dabom]

Scoring only when you're
down 20. Lmao.

[SupremeGuy]

ParkerTard krew should write a strongly-worded "open letter" to the Spurs' FO and introduce this powerful Matt Barnes data to support their argument.

:lmaoThey'd just get laughed at like they're laughed at on here. :lol These bitter ass parker and lebron fans trying to diss Kawhi are fucking sad as fuck.

[dabom]

They'd just get laughed at like they're laughed at on here. :lol These bitter ass parker and lebron fans trying to diss Kawhi are fucking sad as fuck.

Just make fun of lebron and watch all the lebron cock riders give themselves away. :lmao

[hater]

Lol lots of tears up in here

[dabom]

Lol lots of tears up in here

Parker stans crying. :lmao

[SupremeGuy]

Lol lots of tears up in hereKeep crying. :lol

[SuperCam]

At least the krew aren't starting any more 'look at me!' threads in the last few days, tbh

[SupremeGuy]

Just make fun of lebron and watch all the lebron cock riders give themselves away. :lmaoOr talk shit about cats and watch the losers give themselves away. :lmao

[RD2191]

Or talk shit about cats and watch the losers give themselves away. :lmao
Fucking super cat talking to himself again. Broke bitch is a faggot online and offline.:lol

[DarrinS]

Lol lots of tears up in here


:lmao yes, tears from laughing at your dumb ass

[Darius McCrary]

:lmao OP is actually known for having the shittiest predictions on ST, tbh..

It's cute when certain posters try to use numbers for the first time, though, it's like a baby taking his first steps, but stumbling and cracking his head against a table:lol..

:lmao as opposed to douche nozzles who throw out numbers all the time and reality ends up contradicting his post :lmao

[RD2191]

:lmao yes, tears from laughing at your dumb ass
:lol

[rastaspur]

Gonna bump this thread at season's end after kawhi makes Barnes his bitch all season.

As for Parker fans, I hope your boy has a bounce back season. That's good for the spurs.

These kawhi v Parker crews are clashing too much. Keep it up and its gonna be bloods v crips level. Somebody's going to step on a sneaker at a game or kool mo Dee concert and a trolls going to get shot

[SupremeGuy]

Fucking super cat talking to himself again. Broke bitch is a faggot online and offline.:lolbut but matt barnes and mah cats :cry

[Mikeanaro]

Yet no one in the whole media talked about Kiws being raped by Barnes, how can it be?

[313]

At least the krew aren't starting any more 'look at me!' threads in the last few days, tbh
They're leader mustve sent a couple PMs out

[DarrinS]

Fuckin league better watch out for Bruce Barnes 3.0, tbh. Notorious Kawhi stopper.

:lmao

[dabom]

Yet no one in the whole media talked about Kiws being raped by Barnes, how can it be?

Conspiracy bro. :lmao

[RD2191]

Yet no one in the whole media talked about Kiws being raped by Barnes, how can it be?
Barnes was so good against Kawhi that they traded him.:lol

[Mikeanaro]

Conspiracy bro. :lmao
:lmao So sad, Barnes spent his whole life waiting to be a superstar, an the whole USA government wont give him the green light because he looks like a chicano.

[Mikeanaro]

Barnes was so good against Kawhi that they traded him.:lol
:cry Yolanda no traigas a los niños, Matias ha sido traded from the Clippers.

[dabom]

:cry Yolanda no traigas a los niños, Matias ha sido traded from the Clippers.

:lmao

[NASpurs]

Damn Parkertards getting blasted in this thread. Thread backfired on OP per par.

[RD2191]

:cry Yolanda no traigas a los niños, Matias ha sido traded from the Clippers.
:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

Yet no one in the whole media talked about Kiws being raped by Barnes, how can it be?I think catman's friend has an idea...

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Conspiracy-LOLCat1.jpg

[Kool Bob Love]

Only to the untrained eye. Adjusted +/- has its flaws too.... doesn't take into account coaching schemes, teammates on the court or matchups. There is no such thing as a perfect nba stat. A stat geek such as yourself should know this. It doesn't really matter though because no matter what stat I throw in front of you, it will show Kawhi being a very poor defender and a pretty bad offensive player in games 5-7. As a matter of fact, his defensive impact in games 1-5 actually negated some of his offensive prowess. He was downright awful.



In order for this to be true, wouldn't Leonard have to be one of the best offensive players of his generation?

damn. Take it easy on the Canadian. He was ready for all that. Hasn't even responded yet.

[rastaspur]

:lmao So sad, Barnes spent his whole life waiting to be a superstar, an the whole USA government wont give him the green light because he looks like a chicano.

:lol

[Kool Bob Love]

Yet no one in the whole media talked about Kiws being raped by Barnes, how can it be?

Media also didn't talk about 6. The media never talks about the Spurs. Good or bad. You stupid Bandwagon fan.

[Kool Bob Love]

I think catman's friend has an idea...



For a second I thought the meth,smack, crack, had finally caught up to you. Glad to see you back. Also, I like the new avy.:toast:toast

[tholdren]

Media also didn't talk about 6. The media never talks about the Spurs. Good or bad. You stupid Bandwagon fan.

sure they did. They talked about how great Lebron was. Not that the spurs choked at the line.

[Kool Bob Love]

Damn Parkertards getting blasted in this thread. Thread backfired on OP per par.

Always gotta be that one lame that talks from the sideline. Shut the fuck up.

[SupremeGuy]

For a second I thought the meth,smack, crack, had finally caught up to you. Glad to see you back. Also, I like the new avy.:toast:toastWell the season is going to start soon so I figured I might as well start posting again. :toast

Forreal though, how are your cats?

[Mikeanaro]

Media also didn't talk about 6. The media never talks about the Spurs. Good or bad. You stupid Bandwagon fan.
Media talked about 6 for a year, where have you been? You have been between so many cats that their shit vomit has made you lost your conscience.

[Kool Bob Love]

sure they did. They talked about how great Lebron was. Not that the spurs choked at the line.

Exactly. The media doesn't talk about the Spurs so why the fuck would they talk about Kawhi being Matt Barnes son? They have no interest.

[NASpurs]

Always gotta be that one lame that talks from the sideline. Shut the fuck up.

:lmao sensitive ass bitch

[Kool Bob Love]

Media talked about 6 for a year, where have you been? You have been between so many cats that their shit vomit has made you lost your conscience.

Don't fucking lie. I didn't hear anything bout 6 that whole summer.

[Mikeanaro]

Don't fucking lie. I didn't hear anything bout 6 that whole summer.
Psss, The whole media shit Spurs ate for a year was what make 5 so special, and there was little talking about how great Spurs were.

[DarrinS]

But but but, Matt Barnes


http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/511d104a69bedd1f7c000012/grumpy-cat-definitely-did-not-make-100-million.jpg

[rastaspur]

But but but, Matt Barnes


http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/511d104a69bedd1f7c000012/grumpy-cat-definitely-did-not-make-100-million.jpg

:lol

How many cats does he have? More than 10?

[kobyz]

I don't know why the krew make so effort to ignore that Kawhi has a personality disorder that can't let him being a leader and make tough guys image players like Matty to get into his had and cause him to shrink...

[Kool Bob Love]

594728825520562176
594728204574666753
594727941310812160
594723100249300994




594728435525636096

http://38.media.tumblr.com/22e5a3927361f63d25215453bfdd83c9/tumblr_n1nx7dC3yB1qhub34o1_500.gif

[DarrinS]

I don't know why the krew make so effort to ignore that Kawhi has a personality disorder that can't let him being a leader and make tough guys image players like Matty to get into his had and cause him to shrink...

Quiet guy that plays well. Totally not Spurs material.

Do you guys listen to yourself?

[Kool Bob Love]

Gonna bump this thread at season's end after kawhi makes Barnes his bitch all season.

As for Parker fans, I hope your boy has a bounce back season. That's good for the spurs.

These kawhi v Parker crews are clashing too much. Keep it up and its gonna be bloods v crips level. Somebody's going to step on a sneaker at a game or kool mo Dee concert and a trolls going to get shot

Trust me. Short bus don't want it to get to that level. It's a jungle out here b.

[rastaspur]

Kawhi will go balls deep on Barnes this year like an alpha inmate.

[DarrinS]

Kool Bob Love gonna keep posting the same shit, hoping for different results. The definition of insanity.

[Mikeanaro]

Lol now Kiwi is the main reason why Spurs lost, not an obese PG scoring 1 point in a whole game...

[rastaspur]

Trust me. Short bus don't want it to get to that level. It's a jungle out here b.

:lol

Who deserves to get shot most?

[tholdren]

Kool Bob Love gonna keep posting the same shit, hoping for different results. The definition of insanity.
The sad part is, you can all read the stats, but then post some crazy response like, "yeah well KL was awesome in the playoffs"

[Kool Bob Love]

:lol

Who deserves to get shot most?

i ain't gonna dry snitch. But trust they gonna feel it.

[Kool Bob Love]

Kool Bob Love gonna keep posting the same shit, hoping for different results. The definition of insanity.

Nope. Just reminding Spurs fans the real reason the Spurs lost in the fucking 1st round. :pctoss

[SuperCam]

Yet no one in the whole media talked about Kiws being raped by Barnes, how can it be?

people noticed, tbh:

http://i.imgur.com/fHLXRdN.png

[Mikeanaro]

people noticed, tbh:

http://i.imgur.com/fHLXRdN.png

:lmao
My bad.

[SpursIndonesia]

Matt Barnes vs Kawhi:

FG% 28.3 when Kawhi was on court
FG% 55 when Kawhi was off court

just pure facts guys, not trying to hate on your favorite Matt Barnes. Saw them on NBA.com

He ain't got any max contract anytime soon, though. :toast

[AZK619]

Lol now Kiwi is the main reason why Spurs lost, not an obese PG scoring 1 point in a whole game...

[HarlemHeat37]

Only to the untrained eye. Adjusted +/- has its flaws too.... doesn't take into account coaching schemes, teammates on the court or matchups. There is no such thing as a perfect nba stat. A stat geek such as yourself should know this. It doesn't really matter though because no matter what stat I throw in front of you, it will show Kawhi being a very poor defender and a pretty bad offensive player in games 5-7. As a matter of fact, his defensive impact in games 1-5 actually negated some of his offensive prowess. He was downright awful.

Jesus, are you serious?

Post 1- YOU cite shitty stat as the foundation of your argument
Post 2- You write a paragraph on the flaws and unreliability of stats(much better stats than the one you cited, too):lmao

You're fucking arguing against your own point in the same thread:lol, and then throw out a cop-out like "stats aren't perfect"..smh..

Hoops Czar: Stats are flawed, can't be perfect
Solution? Bring up a shitty stat as the foundation of my argument

Hoops Czar logic: Well, girls aren't perfect, so I'm going to fuck this 5/10 chick rather than the 8/10 chick, because what's the difference? They all have flaws!

Stick to your cliches and antiquated sportstalk radio arguments, tbh..

[Hoops Czar]

Jesus, are you serious?

Post 1- YOU cite shitty stat as the foundation of your argument
Post 2- You write a paragraph on the flaws and unreliability of stats(much better stats than the one you cited, too):lmao

You're fucking arguing against your own point in the same thread:lol, and then throw out a cop-out like "stats aren't perfect"..smh..

Stick to your cliches and antiquated sportstalk radio arguments, tbh..

Let me see if I get this straight. You threw the SAME supposedly useless, flawed statistic at me in argument back in late December to show how shitty Parker has been when he was on/off the court and now I use the SAME stat to show you how shitty Kawhi was in the postseason and I get "No, no, no, you can't do that." "what a shitty stat." Is their a double standard here that I'm not aware of or is your brain set to fried?

[HarlemHeat37]

Let me see if I get this straight. You threw the SAME supposedly useless, flawed statistic at me in argument back in late December to show how shitty Parker has been when he was on/off the court and now I use the SAME stat to show you how shitty Kawhi was in the postseason and I get "No, no, no, you can't do that." "what a shitty stat." Is their a double standard here that I'm not aware of or is your brain set to fried?

I gave you adjusted on/off metrics(along with RAPM numbers, too) with a sample size of an entire season + playoffs of 2013-2014:lol..you're giving me unadjusted on/off from 1 week of basketball..yep, same shit..

I would never use unadjusted on/off or offensive rating or defensive rating for my argument..

[DarrinS]

Nope. Just reminding Spurs fans the real reason the Spurs lost in the fucking 1st round. :pctoss

Awesome! You and some dude on Twitter.

I'll take my chances with how the Spurs FO and other NBA professionals see reality.

Thanks for playing.

[Clipper Nation]

people noticed, tbh:

http://i.imgur.com/fHLXRdN.png

Yeah, they did notice his championship, Finals MVP and DPOY. :tu

[Hoops Czar]

I gave you adjusted on/off metrics(along with RAPM numbers, too) with a sample size of an entire season + playoffs of 2013-2014:lol..you're giving me unadjusted on/off from 1 week of basketball..yep, same shit..

No, you gave me the same on/off numbers for Parker for the first 1.5 months of the 2014-2015 season that I gave you for Kawhi. You're referring to a different conversation when you went off on a tangent, telling anybody who'd listen how bad Parker's been over the last two years. Had Kiwi made two more shots in game 7 vs the Clippers, you're so-called prediction would have been wrong and we wouldn't be talking about a SSS. Most people have already owned up to the fact that Leonard had a bad series. You need to stop beating yourself up over the truth. There isn't a stat in existence (that doesn't require severe manipulation) that would show Kawhi being halfway decent in the series vs the Clippers. He was awful defensively and he was garbage offensively with the series hanging in the balance. It pains me to say these nasty, nasty things :lmao about such a truly great "once in a generation" player but, it was HIS team and he needs to bear the responsibility for failing to show up when the Spurs needed him most.

[Hoops Czar]

594728825520562176
594728204574666753
594727941310812160
594723100249300994

Damn, KBL going in without the lube.

[DarrinS]

Suely, there's video proof of this Matt Barnes ownage?

I've seen the highlight reel of Barnes' dunk and the block at the end of game 7 (when play was already known). So, if you guys have other video, please post.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fuckin league better watch out for Bruce Barnes 3.0, tbh. Notorious Kawhi stopper.

:lmao
Why should the league watch out for a Kawhi stopper?

He averages 12ppg for his career.... :lmao

[rasuo214]

Why should the league watch out for a Kawhi stopper?

He averages 12ppg for his career.... :lmao

So why are ya'll acting like he led the league in scoring and Matt Barnes shut him down?

[Kawhitstorm]

Why don't you post the stats for your hate level when Kawhi has his dick up your mom's ass vs. down her throat?

[hater]

:lol numbers from NBA.com not being enough now kawhitards want video evidence :lol

[DarrinS]

:lol numbers from NBA.com not being enough now kawhitards want video evidence :lol


Why did the Spurs lose to the clippers? http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/5/5/8552087/spurs-clippers-series-review





2 - Who was the team's MVP?

Erler: Duncan, no question. There isn't even a close second.

Passos: Tim Duncan. He was a rock at both ends all series long. An early playoff exit won't make people forget the sight of him outrunning his man down the floor and burying jumpers over DeAndre Jordan.

Itz: Of course it's Tim Duncan, like it's been for 18 years. Series line: 18-11-3-1-1.5 on 59% shooting. He also committed just one turnover a game in 36 minutes a night. I couldn't be prouder of Big Fun.

Gomez: Duncan, for sure. And weirdly, that's probably a reason why the Spurs lost. The days of Timmy being obviously the better offensive player on the Spurs roster were supposed to be over.

Wilco: The only guy on the team cool enough to have Theodore as his middle name. If we were able to put Kawhi's name here, then the Spurs are probably still playing.







3 - Who was the team's LVP?

Erler: Parker, no question. There isn't even a close second.

Passos: Tony Parker. The offensive futility of the Spurs' starting backcourt killed them, but at least Danny Green made up for it on defense.

Itz: Yes, Tony Parker, but in terms of expectations, it's Whi for me. Love the kid, but he wasn't as good as the Spurs needed him to be after a 25-game tear that made him look like a top-5 player. My expectations for him were really high while I didn't expect Parker to be great. Leonard has to be the best player on the team for the Spurs to get back to the top. The good news is that he's got another decade ahead of him to keep trying.

Gomez: Parker. I think he just wasn't himself because of injury, especially on the defensive end. But I also feel like it will take him some time to get used to a new role. He would force shots for a while, almost knowing that he wasn't going to touch the ball for minutes afterwards.

Wilco: Ugh, I don't like doing calling players least. But with how limited Parker was (and how long Pop has been saying that the Spurs aren't themselves without him playing well) it's hard to go with anyone else.




So, even the guy the said Kawhi didn't play up to expections (something everyone agrees on), never mentions Barnes. :lmao

[hater]

:lol quoting poundingtherock homer propagandist magazine :lol

[DarrinS]

:lol quoting poundingtherock homer propagandist magazine :lol


Lol, ZERO video of Barnes "owning" Kawhi.

[Budkin]

Kawhi is going to be a beast this season, book it.

[hater]

Kawhi is going to be a beast this season, book it.

:tu hear hear brother

I hope so and I hope his confidence has not been shattered by last playoffs.

He also has a great opportunity to avenge Matt Barnes if we face the Grizz

[ChumpDumper]

Game planners were a little shaken by this one tbh.

[DarrinS]

He also has a great opportunity to avenge Matt Barnes if we face the Grizz

Barnes is in your head, perhaps, but not Kawhi's.

[hater]

Barnes is in your head, perhaps, but not Kawhi's.

:lol claiming to know what is or not is in Kawhis head

I'm just judging by facts.

[Ignignokt]

:lol claiming to know what is or not is in Kawhis head

I'm just judging by facts.

If not barnes, then a couple of marbles and jax, bitten of crayons etc

[TheGreatYacht]

Game planners were a little shaken by this one tbh.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

We all have the one player we don't match up well with. Bowen outplayed Kobe a few times. It happens.

It's interesting that the Barnes matchup is what gets pointed out almost exclusively when folks try to knock KL. Truth is that's a fairly limited critique considering his contributions to the team.

[J_Paco]

Anyways, Kawhi was pretty bad in the latter part of the series, could have played better, had virtually nothing to do with Barnes..overall, he wasn't one of the top 5 reasons the Spurs lose the series, and part of his struggles late in the series were due to circumstance and alteration of role, but hopefully he continues to improve his footwork and go-to moves..

Realistically, though, even if he improves and you put him in the same position again, the team would probably still fail due to the 5-man personnel on the floor and it's limitations..too easy for teams to defend with Parker on the floor + Duncan's inability to make jump shots + Kawhi's inconsistent J..fortunately, Aldridge will help change that..

Teams with a SF(that isn't a point-forward like Lebron and Bird, extremely rare) as a #1 option generally fail to win, anyways..

Why do you constantly change the narrative to suit whatever point you attempt to argue? Other elite small forwards not named Bird or LeBron, namely Rick Barry and Julius Erving, have won NBA titles as the "alpha" on the team.

Kawhi sucked towards the end of that series plain and simple. You can attempt to spin it in a variety of ways, but what matters is the result and the fact that he played very poorly (on both ends of the court) at times.

Of course the spacing had been compromised - with Parker playing worse than Leonard, Green losing his touch/rhythm from outside, Splitter being a liability do to injury and Duncan not being able to hit from mid range - making even more difficult to operate. Yet, he missed a ton of shots he usually makes and just looked tentative being asked to lead the team. He was the complete opposite of the guy we had seen from '11 - '13. I chalk it up as a learning experience and with LaMarcus around he doesn't have to shoulder that burden alone next time.

[DarrinS]

We all have the one player we don't match up well with. Bowen outplayed Kobe a few times. It happens.

It's interesting that the Barnes matchup is what gets pointed out almost exclusively when folks try to knock KL. Truth is that's a fairly limited critique considering his contributions to the team.


Only on ST and only by certain posters.

[hater]

Could it be that it happened only weeks ago and resulted in a 1st round loss???

[DarrinS]

Could it be that it happened only weeks ago and resulted in a 1st round loss???

Lol, weeks ago. 5 months ago.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol, weeks ago. 5 months ago.
A 5 month long offseason. Only a Kawhi-led team is capable of that..

[DarrinS]

A 5 month long offseason. Only a Kawhi-led team is capable of that..

2011 Grizzlies say hello (TP led that Spurs team -- at least in pts)

[DarrinS]

Remember when Pop was begging Barnes not to sub in -- at least for a few more minutes?

[HarlemHeat37]

It
Why do you constantly change the narrative to suit whatever point you attempt to argue? Other elite small forwards not named Bird or LeBron, namely Rick Barry and Julius Erving, have won NBA titles as the "alpha" on the team.

Kawhi sucked towards the end of that series plain and simple. You can attempt to spin it in a variety of ways, but what matters is the result and the fact that he played very poorly (on both ends of the court) at times.

Of course the spacing had been compromised - with Parker playing worse than Leonard, Green losing his touch/rhythm from outside, Splitter being a liability do to injury and Duncan not being able to hit from mid range - making even more difficult to operate. Yet, he missed a ton of shots he usually makes and just looked tentative being asked to lead the team. He was the complete opposite of the guy we had seen from '11 - '13. I chalk it up as a learning experience and with LaMarcus around he doesn't have to shoulder that burden alone next time.


- What narratives have I changed to suit my argument?
- Rick Barry wasn't even in the modern NBA(:lol 70s basketball), and Erving was never the number 1 on a title team, he was actually pretty terrible offensively in the 83 playoffs, you're making shit up
- Saying score-first SFs shouldn't lead your team isn't defending Kawhi, clearly(almost the opposite:lol), its reiterating the point that players in his role don't lead offenses to titles(even elite scoring SFs like Durant and Carmelo are too difficult to build around)
- The rest of your post is just cliches and unquantifiable narrative shit, tbh, this isn't sports talk radio..

It's just too difficult to build an offense around a SF that doesn't run everything like Lebron, its difficult to get those guys in their preferred spots while running an efficient offense, and it often leads to questionable usage, evident in the constant Westbrook vs. Durant meltdowns and Parker's dribble-dribble habits..not to mention a Spurs system that treats the wing players like spot-up shooters and does not play to their strengths, see: Richard Jefferson, for example(which Pop himself had said in the past regarding Kawhi needing more plays called for him)

[SpursFan86]

Not going to read through this topic because I'm sure it's full of the same bullshit as always, but what disappointed me with Kawhi in the LAC series wasn't his offense. It was his defense. He did a great job on Redick to start, but then as the series went on he was basically non-existent on that end. I still think it's a bit unrealistic to expect Kawhi to become some 20+ ppg scorer with great efficiency, but what makes him so great is he doesn't have to score like that to be the best player on the court. Usually he can still have great impact even if he only scores 12-14 points. That wasn't the case against the Clippers though, and that's what surprised me most.

[DarrinS]

Not going to read through this topic because I'm sure it's full of the same bullshit as always, but what disappointed me with Kawhi in the LAC series wasn't his offense. It was his defense. He did a great job on Redick to start, but then as the series went on he was basically non-existent on that end. I still think it's a bit unrealistic to expect Kawhi to become some 20+ ppg scorer with great efficiency, but what makes him so great is he doesn't have to score like that to be the best player on the court. Usually he can still have great impact even if he only scores 12-14 points. That wasn't the case against the Clippers though, and that's what surprised me most.

This is a pretty good point. Kawhi was playing great offense and defense in the first few games, so I don't know if he was getting exhausted chasing around some of their smaller guards. But, then again, he's in his early 20's and Duncan played about the same number of minutes as Kawhi. It's too bad Splitter and Tony were not 100% in that series.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not going to read through this topic because I'm sure it's full of the same bullshit as always, but what disappointed me with Kawhi in the LAC series wasn't his offense. It was his defense. He did a great job on Redick to start, but then as the series went on he was basically non-existent on that end. I still think it's a bit unrealistic to expect Kawhi to become some 20+ ppg scorer with great efficiency, but what makes him so great is he doesn't have to score like that to be the best player on the court. Usually he can still have great impact even if he only scores 12-14 points. That wasn't the case against the Clippers though, and that's what surprised me most.

You must have forgotten that Pop switched Kawhi's defensive assignment to Chris Paul (Danny on Redick) after CP3 went off in Gm 4 & he kept getting DOUBLE screened by Blake/DJ on those high do PnRs the Clippers were milking all series long. I remember folks on ST complaining about it & questioning Pop's decision.

On the offensive side, Blake started doubling Kawhi in Gm 5 after they realized Tiago was done & Diaw couldn't hit an outside shot. Basically, what transpired in Gm 4 was the turning point of the series.

Carmelo at 23 put up a worse offensive display than Kawhi against the Lakers in '08 under similar circumstances (double teams) & he did even put much effort on defense.

[hater]

What bothered me the most was his rebounding tbh

He's a great rebounder but looked passive and lazy in this series. I think Matt Barnes put a lot of physicality and affected him mentally.

I'd like to see his rebounding #s with Barnes on off the court

[Kawhitstorm]

What bothered me the most was his rebounding tbh

He's a great rebounder but looked passive and lazy in this series. I think Matt Barnes put a lot of physicality and affected him mentally.

I'd like to see his rebounding #s with Barnes on off the court

Again, he was assigned to guard either ReDick or CP3 both of who play outside the paint. It's Porker/Danny/Tiago that got outplayed by Rivers/Barnes/Fat Baby.

[bic50]

Gonna bump this thread at season's end after kawhi makes Barnes his bitch all season.

As for Parker fans, I hope your boy has a bounce back season. That's good for the spurs.

These kawhi v Parker crews are clashing too much. Keep it up and its gonna be bloods v crips level. Somebody's going to step on a sneaker at a game or kool mo Dee concert and a trolls going to get shot

Would be a waste of time bumping this thread. Usually these clowns pull a disappearing act whenever kawhi is playing well. That stretch when kawhi was playing great back in march they were all quiet af. dumbphucks.

[TheGreatYacht]

Would be a waste of time bumping this thread. Usually these clowns pull a disappearing act whenever kawhi is playing well. That stretch when kawhi was playing great back in march they were all quiet af. dumbphucks.
What's up Bic? You forget your password for this alt?

[rastaspur]

What's up Bic? You forget your password for this alt?

I'm nobody's alt. But you are obviously paranoid and stupid. I have no agenda. My posts and comments are all over the place. Gump

[Kool Bob Love]

Lol, ZERO video of Barnes "owning" Kawhi.


http://youtu.be/DN7gkILHK-k

http://youtu.be/7FL-vm61x7I

Let me know if you need more Darrin.

[313]

Kawhi will go balls deep on Barnes this year like an alpha inmate.
Yeah and it won't matter because he didn't do it when it mattered

[rastaspur]

Yeah and it won't matter because he didn't do it when it mattered

He will have a lot of "when it matters" moments I. The future, whether it be against Barnes or other competent defenders, so time will tell if last season was an aberration. If not, bump this.

[Kawhitstorm]

http://youtu.be/DN7gkILHK-k

http://youtu.be/7FL-vm61x7I

Let me know if you need more Darrin.

OMG Barnes entire highlight from the series are two plays that any competent 6'8" player would be able replicate.....OMG!

[hater]

Wow don't remember Barnes dunking like that

:pctoss

[hater]

Holy shit that dunk triggered Pop to take Kawhi out and put in Belinelli :wow

[Mikeanaro]

:lmao
So because nobody blocked the Pork it was a good idea to keep him on court to be the laughing stock of a one legged fat mouse who played the series of his life?

[manu2timdynasty]

This is not a bashing or d*ck riding thread, just pure facts, straight outta NBA.COM



Barnes - ON Court
FGM
FGA
FG%


Restricted Area
0.7
1.3
50.0


In The Paint (Non-RA)
0.0
0.7
0.0

Mid-Range
0.7
2.3
28.6

Left Corner 3
0.3
0.7
50.0

Right Corner 3
1.0
2.0
50.0

Above the Break 3
0.3
2.7
12.5






Barnes - Off Court
FGM
FGA
FG%


Restricted Area
1.0
1.3
75.0


In The Paint (Non-RA)
1.5
3.0
50.0

Mid-Range
1.3
2.3
57.1

Left Corner 3
0.0
0.0
0.0

Right Corner 3
0.0
0.0
0.0
Above the Break 3
0.3
1.0
33.3



Perfect example of the gutter trash that fills ST. This slippery whore uses facts like a politician. The fact is Barnes is a damn good defender, obnoxious as hell. But he can't stop Kawhi alone. Deandre fucking Jordan, you know the guy Kawhi suckered the DPOY award from. With him protecting the paint Barnes could crowd Kawhi. It's that simple. Case closed. Delete this thread.

[hater]

Lol ^ typical example of a homer that refuses to see facts and face reality :rolleyes

[manu2timdynasty]

What no more facts? No just a lame attempt at an insult. Move along...

[hater]

What no more facts? No just a lame attempt at an insult. Move along...

Ok you too cuz

[cjw]

horrible sample size

Yup. He conveniently leaves out the actual number of minutes and attempts.

With Barnes off court, he was being guarded by a midget so no s*** he's going to take his guy in the post more often.

[hater]

Lol so kawhi can only post midgets ? :lol

[DarrinS]

Strange how Kawhi had his best game ever against Barnes.



http://youtu.be/7tgpVqWHdrM


Doesn't appear to me that Barnes' defense even bothers Kawhi.

[hater]

Best game ever in a first round exit. Smh

[DarrinS]

Best game ever in a first round exit. Smh

Where's the video of Barnes shutting down Kawhi?

[DarrinS]

More video of Barnes not bothering Kawhi at all



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxFL2PNorNQ

[Kool Bob Love]

Game 5, 6, and 7 now.

[DarrinS]

Game 5, 6, and 7 now.

Show me the ownage. Kawhi missing fairly uncontested shots aren't going to make highlight reel. I know Barnes blocked final shot, but they already knew what play we were running.

[Kool Bob Love]

Game 5, 6, and 7 now.

[DarrinS]

Game 5. Kawhi almost double-double. Barnes a non-factor in this game. Still no ownage.


http://youtu.be/CuR3sv5CsHg

[TheGreatYacht]

"Highlights" .. Sheesh this is getting sad. OP stated the numerical facts. Kwame Brown has highlights on YouTube as well.

[DarrinS]

Game 6. Still looking for ownage. Notice that Barnes is not Kawhi's defensive assignment? That's the guy the Spurs WANT to shoot. Usually, the Spurs would "hide" TP on him. It's too bad we wasted Ferrari's great game.


http://youtu.be/kClhJN2-4wE

[DarrinS]

"Highlights" .. Sheesh this is getting sad. OP stated the numerical facts. Kwame Brown has highlights on YouTube as well.

Out of context numbers don't mean shit.

[DarrinS]

Game 7. Kawhi played very bad defense in this game and seemed passive at times. Still, nothing whatsoever to do with Matt Barnes.

Myth busted


http://youtu.be/4X1qelpMxCs

[tholdren]

Yup. He conveniently leaves out the actual number of minutes and attempts.

With Barnes off court, he was being guarded by a midget so no s*** he's going to take his guy in the post more often.
FG%

[Kawhitstorm]

FG%

No you forgot to mention how many dildos you have up your ass & when your period started.

[tholdren]

No you forgot to mention how many dildos you have up your ass & when your period started.
crying all night

[hater]

Wow

[tholdren]

Out of context numbers don't mean shit.

If he shot 33% with Barnes on the floor, then they aren't out of context. Looking for highlights of a player rather than a final score of a win? Great work. KL had a chance to show he was #1 or even a #2, but he didn't in the Clippers series. Had he shown/taken over the series, the dog and pony show for LMA wouldn't have been so erotic to KL player-fans

[SuperCam]

If he shot 33% with Barnes on the floor, then they aren't out of context. Looking for highlights of a player rather than a final score of a win? Great work. KL had a chance to show he was #1 or even a #2, but he didn't in the Clippers series. Had he shown/taken over the series, the dog and pony show for LMA wouldn't have been so erotic to KL player-fans

Yup this is why team fans and objective, unbiased outsiders like myself realized how important the LMAlpha recruitment was. MVParker won't be around forever to elevate Kawhi and Matt Barnes probably has another 2-3 years left in the tank :tu

[DarrinS]

If he shot 33% with Barnes on the floor, then they aren't out of context. Looking for highlights of a player rather than a final score of a win? Great work. KL had a chance to show he was #1 or even a #2, but he didn't in the Clippers series. Had he shown/taken over the series, the dog and pony show for LMA wouldn't have been so erotic to KL player-fans

We lost that series because Slitter and TP were not healthy. Barnes was pretty much a non-factor in that series. I've already shown video evidence that Kawhi could score at-will against Barnes. Until you guys can show me evidence of Barnes locking down KL, you are just full of shit.

[hater]

:lol 33% = score at will

[SuperCam]

:lol 33% = score at will

:cry b-b-but no video footage = didn't happen :cry

[DarrinS]

:lol 33% = score at will

He could get off a shot whenever he wanted. He shot poorly in in the last few games.

You guys find any video of Barnes' lockdown defense yet?

Because your claim doesn't pass the eyeball test.

[DarrinS]

:cry b-b-but no video footage = didn't happen :cry

His defense was so epic, that no one talked about, there's no video of it, and he was released by the Clips.

:lmao

[DarrinS]

Meanwhile, Kawhi sucked so bad that Spur maxed him out and he's recognized as a top 10 player.

:lmao at TP fanboys

[tholdren]

We lost that series because Slitter and TP were not healthy. Barnes was pretty much a non-factor in that series. I've already shown video evidence that Kawhi could score at-will against Barnes. Until you guys can show me evidence of Barnes locking down KL, you are just full of shit.

No, we lost the series because tony played more than the backup, and KL couldn't take over. I don't care about a video called KL Highlights. I care about the video that says Clippers win series. The evidence is that KL didn't do anything to establish himself as a legit finals MVP or max player because he was like the 3-4 best spur in the playoffs.

[tholdren]

Meanwhile, Kawhi sucked so bad that Spur maxed him out and he's recognized as a top 10 player.

:lmao at TP fanboys

Meanwhile KL was a -35 in the Clippers Series. WTF? Mills was a +36

[DarrinS]

Meanwhile KL was a -35 in the Clippers Series. WTF? Mills was a +36

You should write a strongly-worded letter to Pop and RC. :lmao

[tholdren]

You should write a strongly-worded letter to Pop and RC. :lmao
Im uncertain why you would find this funny, didn't you allude to the fact that KL could score at will, defend better than anyone, and is the leader of the team?

I would suspect that his +/- is fairly terrible compared to every other spur in that series.

But keep on get your post count up

[Kawhitstorm]

Im uncertain why you would find this funny, didn't you allude to the fact that KL could score at will, defend better than anyone, and is the leader of the team?

I would suspect that his +/- is fairly terrible compared to every other spur in that series.

But keep on get your post count up

Yes b/c +/- are the best indicator of a players effectiveness as indicated by +/- king Matt Bonner.

[SuperCam]

He could get off a shot whenever he wanted. He shot poorly in in the last few games.

You guys find any video of Barnes' lockdown defense yet?

Because your claim doesn't pass the eyeball test.

So he just happen to shoot that bad when barnes was on him? kiwitard logic :lmao



Matt Barnes forcing Kiwi into taking bad shots :depressed

[SuperCam]

Meanwhile KL was a -35 in the Clippers Series. WTF? Mills was a +36


Kawbeta letting the whole team down :nope

[in2deep]

Im uncertain why you would find this funny, didn't you allude to the fact that KL could score at will, defend better than anyone, and is the leader of the team?

I would suspect that his +/- is fairly terrible compared to every other spur in that series.

But keep on get your post count up

:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

So he just happen to shoot that bad when barnes was on him? kiwitard logic :lmao



Matt Barnes forcing Kiwi into taking bad shots :depressed

How you feel when you look at yourself in the mirror every morning & evaluate your life--->:depressed(the biggest accomplishment in your life so far is trolling on a message board from your mom's basement)

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawbeta letting the whole team down :nope

[dabom]

Lebron slurpers and parker dick riders. Lmao.

[DarrinS]

The only people who believe the delusional fantasy that Barnes shut down Kawhi are the LGBT members of the Porker appreciation krew.


Lol, microbus

[spurs10]

Those are regular season numbers, here are the playoff numbers

http://i.imgur.com/LUzsoz3.jpg :toast

[tholdren]

2015 Playoffs Age is Years-Days · Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · Export · PRE · LINK (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2015/#pgl_basic_playoffs::none) · ?



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.500
3
6
.500
2
4
6
3
4
0
4
3
18
14.7
-21
36.5


2
2
2015-04-22 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504220LAC.html)
23-297
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
@
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2015.html)
W (+4)
1
39:02
9
16
.563
2
3
.667
3
4
.750
2
7
9
3
1
1
3
2
23
18.5
+4
42.3


3
3
2015-04-24 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504240SAS.html)
23-299
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)

LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2015.html)
W (+27)
1
28:30
13
18
.722
3
5
.600
3
3
1.000
2
2
4
1
3
2
1
1
32
30.3
+20
49.5


4
4
2015-04-26 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504260SAS.html)
23-301
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)

LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2015.html)
L (-9)
1
39:56
10
19
.526
3
6
.500
3
4
.750
2
5
7
5
0
1
0
1
26
23.0
-3
45.8


5
5
2015-04-28 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504280LAC.html)
23-303
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
@
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2015.html)
W (+4)
1
36:15
5
16
.313
0
3
.000
8
10
.800
2
7
9
3
0
0
2
5
18
9.6
-10
32.8


6
6
2015-04-30 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504300SAS.html)
23-305
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)

LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2015.html)
L (-6)
1
40:19
3
15
.200
1
3
.333
5
6
.833
1
6
7
2
0
0
4
2
12
1.4
-19
22.3


7
7
2015-05-02 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201505020LAC.html)
23-307
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
@
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2015.html)
L (-2)
1
33:19
5
13
.385
1
4
.250
2
2
1.000
2
8
10
1
0
0
1
4
13
7.8
-6
28.5



Games that mattered = 5/6/7... Games Leonard played like shit = 5/6/7

He's not the Spurs best player. He's not a great offensive player. He's a great 3rd or 4th. The end.

[DarrinS]

A 3rd or 4th best offensive player who played 3 shitty games still led the team in points in that series.

Patty scored nearly as much as TP, playing half his minutes. :lol

[DarrinS]

This thread isn't going well for PorkerTards.

[tholdren]

A 3rd or 4th best offensive player who played 3 shitty games still led the team in points in that series.

Patty scored nearly as much as TP, playing half his minutes. :lol

He led the team in minutes played. Per 36 or 100 possessions Patty was better and Marco was tied. Cory, Tim, Marco and Patty all shot higher FG%. Tim and Boris both had more assists, and Tim had more steals.

KL led SA in points scored, and TO's.

Again, I don't care about any of the above. What I care about is Leonard, especially if he led SA in PTS, why he ran away in HUGE playoff games 5/6/7?

In those games 13/44 FG = 29%, 7TOs, 6 Assists, 2/10 3pt = 20%

Crazy you think that was worth max money, or the #1 option for SA.

[DarrinS]

:cry Bruce Barnes :cry

[Kawhitstorm]

H

Again, I don't care about any of the above. What I care about is Leonard, especially if he led SA in PTS, why he ran away in HUGE playoff games 5/6/7?



You are an ignorant dumbass who doesn't understand the nuances of basketball so do yourself a favor and log off.

[Kool Bob Love]

Kawbeta letting the whole team down :nope

Season needs to start to get this bad taste outta my mouth. :pctoss

[313]

Game 7. Kawhi played very bad defense in this game and seemed passive at times. Still, nothing whatsoever to do with Matt Barnes.
Pretty disgusting tbh

Ya know, Kawhi's human and everyone has bad matchups. but you're telling me it wasn't his matchup, but he's just a mental midget and shrunk in a pivotal, win or go home game 7? Yikes.

Good thing we brought over LMAlpha :toast

[313]

Leflop pad his stats in garbage tine,nuff said

6szZ4hbumT0

:rolleyes

[tholdren]

He only showup in 1 game,he play shits until wade step up and put the team on his back :hat
True, had KL made a free throw Lebron's Legacy would have been shot. Had KL shown up in games 5-7 last post season he wouldn't be looked at as a 3-4 option.

[hater]

Come on now. It was Manu who sabotaged our 2013 title. Lets get back on topic....

[SupremeGuy]

Why are you guys still responding to shitty troll threads like this? Parker sucked dick all of last year, regardless of who were playing or who he was going up against. Kawhi had a few mediocre games against Barnes and all the short bus crew can do is hate on our best young player. It's pretty fucking stupid. Just accept that the only people still defending parker/hating on Kawhi are the french posters, fans of other teams, trolls, or just idiots and let's all move on. :toast

[hater]

Hide your kids hide Kawhi, Matt Barnes is on NBATV right now :wow

[tholdren]

using gm567 only porker tards?

how was porker in gm567 since you are cherry picking games, instead of all 7 games, we can also play gm567

No one is talking about Parker. I think it's consensus that he was terrible. The topic is some stated KL is a #1 on the team, when in fact he disappeared in games 5/6/7. #1's do not do that.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hide your kids hide Kawhi, Matt Barnes is on NBATV right now :wow
:lol

[hater]

No one is talking about Parker. I think it's consensus that he was terrible. The topic is some stated KL is a #1 on the team, when in fact he disappeared in games 5/6/7. #1's do not do that.

:lol damn

Post made kawhitards give up their weapons and turn themselves in for safe passage :lol

[DarrinS]

:lol damn

Post made kawhitards give up their weapons and turn themselves in for safe passage :lol

Meh, you and the other members of the tummysticks krew can keep trying to sell your busted myth of Bruce Barnes, but no one is buying it.

[hater]

Meh, you and the other members of the tummysticks krew can keep trying to sell your busted myth of Bruce Barnes, but no one is buying it.

"If there's any player that was destined to be a Grizzly, it's Matt Barnes," Grizzlies GM said. "He's a guy that we had our dustups with when he was on the other side of the fence -- particularly the Clippers -- but now he's one of us and we're ecstatic to have him."

"The best compliment you can give somebody is that you just don't like playing against him," Grizzlies coach Dave Joerger said. "Matt's a guy we just did not like playing against. ... We want those kinds of guys on our team."


:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

"If there's any player that was destined to be a Grizzly, it's Matt Barnes," Grizzlies GM said. "He's a guy that we had our dustups with when he was on the other side of the fence -- particularly the Clippers -- but now he's one of us and we're ecstatic to have him."

"The best compliment you can give somebody is that you just don't like playing against him," Grizzlies coach Dave Joerger said. "Matt's a guy we just did not like playing against. ... We want those kinds of guys on our team."


:lol
:cry "But, but, but why did the Clippers release him?" :cry

... Like containing a 12ppg career scorer is some sort of accomplishment and required a max contract :lol Matty did the job. Now the Spurs must avoid MEM at all costs.

[DarrinS]

:cry "But, but, but why did the Clippers release him?" :cry

... Like containing a 12ppg career scorer is some sort of accomplishment and required a max contract :lol Matty did the job. Now the Spurs must avoid MEM at all costs.


the usual faggots show up to help hater wipe his ass. :lmao

[hater]

the usual faggots show up to help hater wipe his ass. :lmao

Wow you are one sick puppy

[TheGreatYacht]

651862779511574528

[SuperCam]

651862779511574528


Real nigga :wow

[spurraider21]

i was at this game, disappointing performance. timmy put on a show (including hitting a corner 3 :lol), parker actually played well, but wasn't enough. crawford hit a nutty shot late

https://i.gyazo.com/aa593a936bc349800d14ba3c85793909.png

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs-los-angeles-clippers-2015021912/

[hater]

Derek is built like a tank tbh

don't think Barnes can do much damage.

[TheGreatYacht]

i was at this game, disappointing performance. timmy put on a show (including hitting a corner 3 :lol), parker actually played well, but wasn't enough. crawford hit a nutty shot late

https://i.gyazo.com/aa593a936bc349800d14ba3c85793909.png

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs-los-angeles-clippers-2015021912/
Matt Barnes starting = Kawhi 4 points, 1-11 shooting

:lmao

[DarrinS]

Matt Barnes starting = Kawhi 4 points, 1-11 shooting

:cry Bruce Barnes :cry




Another stellar defensive performance by Barnes (so awesome that highlights show none of it and TNT announcers never say the name "Barnes".

Kawhi coming off injury in February game. ParkerTards desperate :lol

[spurraider21]

Another stellar defensive performance by Barnes (so awesome that highlights show none of it and TNT announcers never say the name "Barnes".

Kawhi coming off injury in February game. ParkerTards desperate :lol
its not like there's some giant sample size of games

https://i.gyazo.com/18fde503c698d5f60389400c0f8bf6e7.png

https://i.gyazo.com/09c39951a2b89936f178d743f9249628.png

[SuperCam]

Another stellar defensive performance by Barnes (so awesome that highlights show none of it and TNT announcers never say the name "Barnes".

Kawhi coming off injury in February game. ParkerTards desperate :lol

Why would TNT show highlights of someone stopping a role player tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

its not like there's some giant sample size of games

https://i.gyazo.com/18fde503c698d5f60389400c0f8bf6e7.png

https://i.gyazo.com/09c39951a2b89936f178d743f9249628.png
Kawhi averages 9ppg on 41% against Matt in the RS :wow

[rasuo214]

its not like there's some giant sample size of games

https://i.gyazo.com/18fde503c698d5f60389400c0f8bf6e7.png

https://i.gyazo.com/09c39951a2b89936f178d743f9249628.png

Kawhi was ~11 ppg better in the playoffs than the regular season? Wow what damning stats...

[rasuo214]

651862779511574528

lmao, how pathetic.

[SuperCam]

Kawhi averages 9ppg on 41% against Matt in the RS :wow

Wait to you see the numbers with MVParker off the court in those games, tbh

[DarrinS]

Kawhi was ~11 ppg better in the playoffs than the regular season? Wow what damning stats...

:lol

[DarrinS]

Wait to you see the numbers with MVParker off the court in those games, tbh

Yes, why don't you post some MVParker stats for last years' playoffs? :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

MostVilePorker sucks.

[ElNono]

651862779511574528

:lol Fish is such a snake... wonder if he was there to ask about treatment options for his cancerous daughter, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Fish is such a snake... wonder if he was there to ask about treatment options for his cancerous daughter, tbh...
Is it fucked up if I :lol 'd

[Wu36]

:lol Fish is such a snake... wonder if he was there to ask about treatment options for his cancerous daughter, tbh...
Nah he was just there for a .4

[K...]

While kawhi turns down random little for autographs, Matt Barnes was exercising his rights under state law to visit his children. Like any good and decent person he took offense at world champion fag Derek Fisher. That man is a hero not a loser. Y'all people act like it's a crime to pretext your kids against a monster like Derek "ring and milf chaser" Fisher.

[TheGreatYacht]

Clippers 2-7 in their last 9 games. Fall under .500

Everything went down after Barnes

[Lostwingman]

Clippers 2-7 in their last 9 games. Fall under .500

Everything went down after Barnes

They started off 4-0. I wonder why Barnes was still on the roster in October :huh

[DarrinS]

:lol

[K...]

Guys, what I saw, was that mvbarnes made kawhi shoot outside shots all game. Classic locking down the paint. Leonard made those shots now, but in the playoffs? I'm not saying it'll happen necessarily, but it is concerning that Memphis can dictate kawhis offensive.. Memphis had Leonard where they wanted. They're planning for the playoffs.

[SupremeGuy]

Classic cat crew fail thread. :lol

[manu2timdynasty]

Guys, what I saw, was that mvbarnes made kawhi shoot outside shots all game. Classic locking down the paint. Leonard made those shots now, but in the playoffs? I'm not saying it'll happen necessarily, but it is concerning that Memphis can dictate kawhis offensive.. Memphis had Leonard where they wanted. They're planning for the playoffs.

With an attitude like that it's no wonder your single and seek out attention online.

[look_at_g_shred]

With an attitude like that it's no wonder your single and seek out attention online.
:lmao

[bic50]

With an attitude like that it's no wonder your single and seek out attention online.

:rollin

[DarrinS]

Guys, what I saw, was that mvbarnes made kawhi shoot outside shots all game. Classic locking down the paint. Leonard made those shots now, but in the playoffs? I'm not saying it'll happen necessarily, but it is concerning that Memphis can dictate kawhis offensive.. Memphis had Leonard where they wanted. They're planning for the playoffs.

:lol

[Benoit]

hahahaha

[dabom]

Laker fans. :lmao

[RD2191]

Laker fans. :lmao

Most pathetic team in the league. :lmao

[dabom]

Most pathetic team in the league. :lmao

The guy is a laker fan pretending to be a warrior fan on a Spurs forum. :lmao