Democrats Begin the Long, Tortuous Retreat from Obamacare

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-begin-long-tortuous-retreat-093000257.html

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Repugnatin plan:
Don't get sick.

If you get sick, die soon.

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http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003101829/455679999_obamacare_label_8_xlarge.jpeg

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:lol the author has never been right about anything. Don't expect him to start now.

[RandomGuy]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-begin-long-tortuous-retreat-093000257.html

Long time no see, ducks. Still living on a fact-free diet I see. :lol

[RandomGuy]

:lol the author has never been right about anything. Don't expect him to start now.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Authors/M/Edward-Morrissey


Edward Morrissey has been providing political analysis as a blogger, columnist, and radio host since 2003. He now writes at Hot Air as senior editor and correspondent and also hosts a daily online talk show. His radio show is on Minnesota’s AM 1280 The Patriot every Saturday afternoon.

But, it is important to separate the blather from the facts. Might be worth sorting through the opinion and see what the facts actually are.

I can't think of any Democrats or any conversations I have seen where there has been any real lessening of support.

Most Democrats wish Obamacare had gone farther.

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Most Democrats wish Obamacare had gone farther.

off topic: Serious question: When will we have progressed enough that you would become a status-quo guy? Is there a limit? Single payor, then what? What tax rate on what income level would you find high enough - the horrible Bush tax cuts are gone (at least on the wealthy, most Americans still enjoy theirs)? How many industries owned by the government? I mean Canada has a single payor system, and yet progressives are not happy there...still blame their woes on corporations and conservatives...

[101A]

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Authors/M/Edward-Morrissey



But, it is important to separate the blather from the facts. Might be worth sorting through the opinion and see what the facts actually are.

I can't think of any Democrats or any conversations I have seen where there has been any real lessening of support.

Most Democrats wish Obamacare had gone farther.


The only way to make healthcare less expensive is to make the actual cost of healthcare less expensive.

Unfortunately this truism is lost on most people. They think HOW something is paid for can dramatically effect what that thing costs.

Assuming you don't believe competition can be a viable solution, eitther utilization and/or price controls are the only answer if we really want to control the expansion of healthcare costs. Of course, controlling costs also means people losing jobs...

[RandomGuy]

The only way to make healthcare less expensive is to make the actual cost of healthcare less expensive.

Unfortunately this truism is lost on most people. They think HOW something is paid for can dramatically effect what that thing costs.

Assuming you don't believe competition can be a viable solution, eitther utilization and/or price controls are the only answer if we really want to control the expansion of healthcare costs. Of course, controlling costs also means people losing jobs...

Competition is a wonderful thing.

Health care in the US doesn't really have any, so that market assumption sort of breaks down. I can't shop for doctors on price, and certainly can't really evaluate the quality of care very well by looking online at doctors.

I think no small part of the problem is that we have a fee for service system, with runaway tests for everything, and practices that have begun to treat patients as revenue streams, as I have witnessed firsthand.

[RandomGuy]

off topic: Serious question: When will we have progressed enough that you would become a status-quo guy? Is there a limit? Single payor, then what? What tax rate on what income level would you find high enough - the horrible Bush tax cuts are gone (at least on the wealthy, most Americans still enjoy theirs)? How many industries owned by the government? I mean Canada has a single payor system, and yet progressives are not happy there...still blame their woes on corporations and conservatives...

Single payor, yes. We all collectively pool our risk anyways in all sorts of hidden, inefficient ways. The huge costs get buried in the cost of everything else.

Businesses in Canada tend to appreciate not having to worry about that on their balance sheet.