School Shooting at Community College in Oregon

[pgardn]

Has anyone ever noticed that of all of the recent mass shootings no one ever has video? People fucking record everything these days yet no one has ever whipped out a cell when one of these shootings happens? Just odd.

Odd that people are ducking under chairs and tables or getting the hell out?

Fck the phone.
" Hey shooter hold it right..... there. Beautiful, no I need a desperate look... Your are a marmot, you are an angry marmot deftly moving taking potshots. Let's take 10 people, good shoot."

Jesus Christ rubert...

[RD2191]

Odd that people are ducking under chairs and tables or getting the hell out?

Fck the phone.
" Hey shooter hold it right..... there. Beautiful, no I need a desperate look... Your are a marmot, you are an angry marmot deftly moving taking potshots. Let's take 10 people, good shoot."

Jesus Christ rubert...
Bruh, people record people dying all the fucking time. People record crazy disgusting shit.

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQR4Z5fUkAAESOD.jpg

NzsIuhdBjVg

:cry freedom :cry

[ChumpDumper]

Bruh, people record people dying all the fucking time. People record crazy disgusting shit.They usually don't record themselves being shot at. I mean I remember the Boston bombers' firefight with the police was recorded by folks not directly involved, but even then the camera holder was ducking and hiding inside his house because shit was going everywhere. Tough to think that people actually getting shot at would take the time to futz with a phone at all other than to call someone.

[pgardn]

Bruh, people record people dying all the fucking time. People record crazy disgusting shit.

Recording dying while they are the target?

When this happens in enclosed places I'm not gonna have a phone out while a killer is scanning a room.
Just sayin...

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQ_E1dWcAAy6vJ.jpg

[RD2191]

They usually don't record themselves being shot at. I mean I remember the Boston bombers' firefight with the police was recorded by folks not directly involved, but even then the camera holder was ducking and hiding inside his house because shit was going everywhere. Tough to think that people actually getting shot at would take the time to futz with a phone at all other than to call someone.
I'm not saying all of them are staged but some just seem a little off. And yeah, I'd be hauling ass if I was ever in a mass shooting situation.:lol

[HI-FI]

Damn, where is Blake? :lol
normally he'd be on here fapping to dead Christians but I think he's got the night off. Chump is getting all the overtime.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not saying all of them are staged but some just seem a little off. And yeah, I'd be hauling ass if I was ever in a mass shooting situation.:lolUh, are you saying some of them are staged?

[RD2191]

Uh, are you saying some of them are staged?
Not sure. Sandy Hook seemed staged to me.

[RD2191]

normally he'd be on here fapping to dead Christians but I think he's got the night off. Chump is getting all the overtime.
:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Not sure. Sandy Hook seemed staged to me.Well, you know the next question.

[DarrinS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQR4Z5fUkAAESOD.jpg

NzsIuhdBjVg

:cry freedom :cry


Nice Reagan video. Was AK47 the weapon?

[ChumpDumper]

Nice Reagan video. Was AK47 the weapon?I've only seen one of the guns listed as "AR-type."

[RD2191]

Well, you know the next question.
:lolI just don't have the energy for 21 questions tonight. Tmrw.:lol

[Spurminator]

Not sure. Sandy Hook seemed staged to me.

That's because you don't know anyone affected by it.

[ducks]

20k-30k killed in automobile accidents a year
Compared to how many killed with a gun?

[ChumpDumper]

20k-30k killed in automobile accidents a year
Compared to how many killed with a gun?How many are murdered with cars?

[Spurminator]

20k-30k killed in automobile accidents a year
Compared to how many killed with a gun?

Holy shit. You guys. ducks has just blown my fucking mind.

What an amazing observation! Has anyone ever thought to compare deaths as a result of driving to deaths as a result of shootings?

It's like... Here we are, arguing for years and years over whether America's gun policy might be contributing to its murder rate, and ducks - swooping in like a fresh breath of logic - brings everyone to their senses by reminding us that everyday American luxuries - such as DRIVING - also exist in a series of events that sometimes leads to deaths.

Truly, to observe such similarities and synthesize into an illustration that makes us realize how similarly essential guns and automobiles are to our daily lives takes a mind of unprecedented genius.

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy::w orthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

[ducks]

How many are murdered with cars?

Many when drunks are driving them
Planes were also used to kill thousands

[ChumpDumper]

Many when drunks are driving themThat's not murder.

Planes were also used to kill thousandsEvery year?

[ducks]

That's not murder.
Every year?

Some are charged with murder

years ago did not have mass shootings people were afraid other people had guns to protect themselves

[Clipper Nation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQQ_E1dWcAAy6vJ.jpg
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_citation) (2008), was a landmark case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_case) in which the Supreme Court of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution ) protects an individual's right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms) to possess a firearm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm) for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

:lmao Dumb cuck

[ChumpDumper]

Some are charged with murderHow many?


years ago did not have mass shootings people were afraid other people had guns to protect themselvesWe've had mass shootings since the 1910s.

And overall, gun violence has been on a downward trend for years.

[FkLA]

Is that Manu in the white?

:lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

Just waiting for all the pro gun nuts to say "You can't even wait until the bodies are cold to push your anti-gun agenda!" to avoid any and all talk about guns. Per par.
- tries to predict when others will bring up gun rights
- simultaneously brings up gun rights

[spurraider21]

i'm waiting for the m>s thread about....

:cry false flag
:cry same actress as sandy hook
:cry crisis actors
:cry shutup kike

[Quetzal-X]

Bammy realllly fucked up these republican conservative gun fellationists

[boutons_deux]

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_citation) (2008), was a landmark case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_case) in which the Supreme Court of the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States) held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution ) protects an individual's right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms) to possess a firearm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm) for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

:lmao Dumb cuck

5 VRWC anti-Constitutional/anti-stare decisis SCOTUS tools vs 4 serious judges.

dumb cuck

[Clipper Nation]

:cry:cry:cry

[TheSanityAnnex]

Any info on motive?

Only thing new I've heard is he went to a school for kids with behavioral issues.

Have they decided on what long gun he used? He's pictured with a Ruger 10-22 but the talking heads keep saying AR15.

[RD2191]

Any info on motive?

Only thing new I've heard is he went to a school for kids with behavioral issues.

Have they decided on what long gun he used? He's pictured with a Ruger 10-22 but the talking heads keep saying AR15.
The dude probably developed a deep hatred for women tbh. Same shit as that ****** dude last year.

[mingus]

Haven't heard much backstory about the shooter.

IMO banning guns, even high caliber ones, isn't going to do much to solve the problem of mass murder. There'll be less mass shooting, but these crazy pos will use whatever means they can to meet their sick desired end. Columbine shooters built bomb (that didn't go off but if it did would've killed 200+), Colorado theater killer built one (that again didn't go off), Boston marathon bombers & McVeigh succeeded. Playing Devil's advocate here, but maybe an unintended consequence of taking guns out of equation actually makes mass killings worse because of the blast radius which kills and wounds far more people than guns.

Whatever the the case I don't think people should have access to high caliber guns (eg AR-15). Wanna use one? Join the military. That's no a defense weapon, it's damn assault combat weapon that belongs in combat/war.

[boutons_deux]

Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.html

[DMX7]

Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/chris-harper-mercer-umpqua-community-college-shooting.html?&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


Another neighbor, a man in his 50s who declined to give his name, said that Mr. Mercer lived on the second floor of the three-story building with his mother. He said he believed they were both students. “Chris was a good kid, you know,” he said...

He was a "good kid". They're all "good kids".

[TheSanityAnnex]

Whatever the the case I don't think people should have access to high caliber guns (eg AR-15). Wanna use one? Join the military. That's no a defense weapon, it's damn assault combat weapon that belongs in combat/war.

You clearly don't understand the definition of high caliber if you think the .223 qualifies (eg AR-15)

And what is an acceptable defense weapon in your opinion?

[Pauly D]

i was just thinking the same thing. him, @infinite limit and Pauly D all post that crap here and it wouldn't surprise me if they posted in that thread and told him to do it. i wish people thought about the shit they type online. there are cowards like the shooter in oregon who will do anything to earn e stripes.

I do not post in /r9k/, pretty much just /b/, /tv/, and /sp/

[Trill Clinton]

649809754731216901

the parents are always shocked when their weird ass kid fly's off the handle smh.

[TheSanityAnnex]

“I'd ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws and to save lives and to let young people grow up, and that will require a change of politics on this issue,” Obama said.


And what law exactly would have changed any of this Mr. Obama?

[boutons_deux]

“I'd ask the American people to think about how they can get our government to change these laws and to save lives and to let young people grow up, and that will require a change of politics on this issue,” Obama said.


And what law exactly would have changed any of this Mr. Obama?

why do you ask when you know the answer?

[boutons_deux]

Chicago über alles: Fox News’ directive from on high — if Obama discusses a mass-shooting, you mention Chicago

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/02/chicago_uber_alles_fox_news_directive_from_on_high _if_obama_discusses_mass_shooting_you_mention_the_ second_city/

[boutons_deux]

‘Good Guy With A Gun’ Was On UCC Campus At Time Of Massacre

But not only was UCC not a gun free zone by law, there were also people who brought guns onto campus at the time of the massacre.

John Parker Jr., a veteran and student at UCC, spoke with MSNBC and revealed that he was in a campus building with a concealed handgun when the shooting started. He suggested other students with him at the time were also carrying concealed handguns.

The issue of whether UCC was a “gun free zone” has become a source of controversy. Gun advocates argue that “gun free zones” encourage gun violence by creating a space where people are unable to defend themselves (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/less-than-90-minutes-after-oregon-shooting-cnn-analyst-suggests-schools-gun-free-zone-to-blame/).

This is not supported by the facts. According to a study of 62 mass shootings over 30 years conducted by Mother Jones, “not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data).” Many of those mass shootings took place in areas were guns where permitted, but not a single one was stopped by armed civilians.

Parker’s interview revealed the practical difficulties of armed civilians trying to stop a mass shooting. By the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly retreated into the classroom.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/02/3708410/good-guy-with-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

[Clipper Nation]

:lol "A study conducted by Mother Jones"
:lol ThinkRegress
:lol Boutards

[boutons_deux]

It was evident that Obama was being nostalgic in talking about regulations that have been enacted in the past. None of them would stand a chance of being passed under the current intransigent congressional regime.

Charlie Pierce made that reality abundantly clear.

"I've been doing the politics blog only since the fall of 2011," Charlie Pierce said. "This I think is the fourth one of these I had to write about. I was struck by the last bit by the president, where he talked about other things where you react to.

The fact remains we only allow ourselves two political parties in this country. And one of our political parties is completely insane. [emphasis added] It's the party that when we have mine disasters, blocks mine regulations.

It's the party that says when we want to fix our roads, you can't have an infrastructure bill.

You can't raise the gas tax.

It's the party that when some people have floods, like New Jersey, marks Chris Christie lousy because he accepted help from the federal government.

And we have the same party who has somewhere between three and 600 people running for president, none of whom will do anything about the problem of mass shootings in America."

In an irony of ironies, the sheriff of the county where the massacre occurred, Douglas County,wrote a defiant letter to Vice President Biden after the Sandy Hook school massacre (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/02/1426902/-Oregon-Sheriff-John-Hanlin-Fought-Obama-on-Gun-Control)stating he would obey no gun control laws he deemed unconstitutional. When will Americans snap?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/02/1426969/-Esquire-s-Charlie-Pierce-on-Oregon-massacre-One-of-our-political-parties-is-completely-insane?detail=email

[boutons_deux]

:lol "A study conducted by Mother Jones"
:lol ThinkRegress
:lol Boutards

No surprise that you can't refute the "bullshit" from MJ and TP.

[TheSanityAnnex]

why do you ask when you know the answer?

What is the answer Ms. Boutons?

[boutons_deux]

What is the answer Ms. Boutons?

I've you on that before, Do Your Own Research -- WC

[Bender]

Media just loves to say "execution-style" for every shooting

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/02/family-says-army-veteran-wounded-trying-to-keep-gunman-from-entering-classroom/

Chris Mintz a member at ChumpDumper's second most visited forum.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've you on that before, Do Your Own Research -- WC

So you've got no answer? Sounds like all guns legally acquired, so which new law would have prevented this tragedy?

[boutons_deux]

So you've got no answer? Sounds like all guns legally acquired, so which new law would have prevented this tragedy?

I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/02/family-says-army-veteran-wounded-trying-to-keep-gunman-from-entering-classroom/

Chris Mintz a member at ChumpDumper's second most visited forum.What are you babbling about now?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y
Which new law would have stopped this tragedy? Obama sure can't come up with anything when asked maybe you can't either.

[boutons_deux]

Which new law would have stopped this tragedy? Obama sure can't come up with anything when asked maybe you can't either.


I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y

These were all purchased legally, your previous in depth answer doesn't address this. So what new law would have prevented this tragedy?

[boutons_deux]

These were all purchased legally, your previous in depth answer doesn't address this. So what new law would have prevented this tragedy?

I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y

[m>s]

You're not getting the guns commies

[Blizzardwizard]

Another legally acquired weapon, another mass murder. When will it end?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y




You never addressed legally purchased guns.

[Blizzardwizard]

You're not getting the guns commies

Shame Obama's too conservative and weak to do the ballsy thing and flat out reject gun ownership in it's entirety.

"We've got to do something about it :cry"

[TheSanityAnnex]

Another legally acquired weapon, another mass murder. When will it end?

What is your solution? boutons is too much of a coward to give one.

[boutons_deux]

What is your solution? boutons is too much of a coward to give one.

I've answered you before, in depth. so G F Y

[mingus]

You clearly don't understand the definition of high caliber if you think the .223 qualifies (eg AR-15)

And what is an acceptable defense weapon in your opinion?

by high caliber I mean large magazine capacity like AR. So yeah technically what I said was misleading.

There re are lots of acceptable defense weapons. Too many to list all, but like a shotgun or pistol.

[Blizzardwizard]

What is your solution? boutons is too much of a coward to give one.

You know what I think. Ban the legal acquisition of handguns, assault rifles and whatever else you can pry from the hands of hillbillies. "But people would just get them illegally" I hear you say. Well, that already happens, so at least rid of one viable option for budding psychopaths to purchase a weapon.

[m>s]

Shame Obama's too conservative and weak to do the ballsy thing and flat out reject gun ownership in it's entirety.

"We've got to do something about it :cry"
Do you understand how the U.S. Legal system works? Obviously not

[m>s]

Obama doesn't take them because he can't, neither legally nor physically

[Blizzardwizard]

Do you understand how the U.S. Legal system works? Obviously not

I guess not. You must be a lawyer as well as a European!

[mingus]

I've got a 357 magnum. It was passed down to me, I keep it at home and rarely take it out. I actually one some more guns. I just don't see the use of having something like an AR if you're not in battle just as with an M4 or M16. those all fall in category of combat weapons to me and have no place on your person unless you're in the military.

[m>s]

Not is right, this isn't a monarchy

[Blizzardwizard]

Not is right, this isn't a monarchy

So a potential President, if completely opposed to guns, cannot voice their opinion on the issue, according to you.

I guess that's 'against the system', right?



'Ethnicity' :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

by high caliber I mean large magazine capacity like AR. So yeah technically what I said was misleading.

There re are lots of acceptable defense weapons. Too many to list all, but like a shotgun or pistol.

Shotguns and a pistol with stopping power are difficult for women to use.

What makes an AR15 unacceptable for defense?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You know what I think. Ban the legal acquisition of handguns, assault rifles and whatever else you can pry from the hands of hillbillies. "But people would just get them illegally" I hear you say. Well, that already happens, so at least rid of one viable option for budding psychopaths to purchase a weapon.

That will never happen in the United States. What is your solution that is feasible?

[Blizzardwizard]

That will never happen in the United States. What is your solution that is feasible?

You asked for my personal solution, not one that is supposedly viable according to you. That is my solution and could theoretically happen if support for it was widespread.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've got a 357 magnum. It was passed down to me, I keep it at home and rarely take it out. I actually one some more guns. I just don't see the use of having something like an AR if you're not in battle just as with an M4 or M16. those all fall in category of combat weapons to me and have no place on your person unless you're in the military.

I've taken down many deer with my AR's so the "they are just for battle" line is weak. I also have other rifles chambered in .223, what makes them any less dangerous than an AR? Sounds like you just don' like the "look" of an AR15 as it is no different than any other semi automatic rifle chambered in .223.

[mingus]

You know what I think. Ban the legal acquisition of handguns, assault rifles and whatever else you can pry from the hands of hillbillies. "But people would just get them illegally" I hear you say. Well, that already happens, so at least rid of one viable option for budding psychopaths to purchase a weapon.

Hillbilly' aren't the only ones who use them, in fact. Anyways, in the South many people live off the land and shoot what they eat. It's cheaper, even healthier in a lot of cases. In other parts, people who aren't hillbillys use them for target practice, hunting and self-defense. The vast vast majority of gun owners are completely legitimate people.

Every right we have basically has an unintended bad consequence. The right to own a gun, right to religion, right to drive a car, right to drink, right to drive (that's more a privilege)...The ugly truth of a free society is it opens doors to all kinds of freedom both good and bad. But that's a compromise I'm willing to die for if I have to. As selfish as it sounds I'd rather have it that way than live in a society where govt. is all up in our asses.

[boutons_deux]

"many people live off the land and shoot what they eat"

evidence?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You asked for my personal solution, not one that is supposedly viable according to you. That is my solution and could theoretically happen if support for it was widespread.

It isn't viable according to anyone. Support for it would never be widespread. Do you have a solution that is feasible in the United States?

[TheSanityAnnex]

"many people live off the land and shoot what they eat"

evidence?




Would you like me to take a picture of the freezer in my garage full of deer and fish? Do I also need to show you my garden and chicken coop?

Shut the fuck up already with your stupid comments.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Hillbilly' aren't the only ones who use them, in fact. Anyways, in the South many people live off the land and shoot what they eat. It's cheaper, even healthier in a lot of cases. In other parts, people who aren't hillbillys use them for target practice, hunting and self-defense. The vast vast majority of gun owners are completely legitimate people.

Every right we have basically has an unintended bad consequence. The right to own a gun, right to religion, right to drive a car, right to drink, right to drive (that's more a privilege)...The ugly truth of a free society is it opens doors to all kinds of freedom both good and bad. But that's a compromise I'm willing to die for if I have to. As selfish as it sounds I'd rather have it that way than live in a society where govt. is all up in our asses.

Yet you want to ban a rifle that is responsible for less than 1% of total gun murders in the United States per year.

[mingus]

I've taken down many deer with my AR's so the "they are just for battle" line is weak. I also have other rifles chambered in .223, what makes them any less dangerous than an AR? Sounds like you just don' like the "look" of an AR15 as it is no different than any other semi automatic rifle chambered in .223.

You must be a horrible shot if you choose to take an AR hunting.

Fact is it's a war weapon. I bet if you could get your hands on a Browning you would take that out hunting too, since you're a horrible shot. I could kill a squirrel with a fork if I wanted too, it doesn't mean it's what it's meant for. The AR can hold up to 40 rounds, and it holds different types of rounds some higher caliber than others. This is a gun used to spray and/or used against multiple targets, which apparently people like yourself who can't aim worth a god damn shit have adopted for hunting.

[mingus]

Yet you want to ban a rifle that is responsible for less than 1% of total gun murders in the United States per year.

You don't understand though, I don't care about statistics. I care about the point/use of the fucking god damn weapon. There's no use for a damn AR outside of combat, no matter how much you suck at fucking hunting

[m>s]

So a potential President, if completely opposed to guns, cannot voice their opinion on the issue, according to you.

I guess that's 'against the system', right?



'Ethnicity' :lol
What's him whining going to do? It doesn't change anything

[mingus]

"many people live off the land and shoot what they eat"

evidence?




Seriously you need evidence for this? Take a drive through your favorite part of the country, interact with people, and it's common. I've lived in Bible Belt it's a common thing. I'd take home shit that they killed to eat.

[m>s]

You don't understand though, I don't care about statistics. I care about the point/use of the fucking god damn weapon. There's no use for a damn AR outside of combat, no matter how much you suck at fucking hunting

hardcore motherfucker learned how to curse

[Clipper Nation]

So a potential President, if completely opposed to guns, cannot voice their opinion on the issue, according to you.

Obummer voices his opinion all the time. Just like you, he immediately rushes to politicize every mass shooting before the bullets even leave the gun. And like a true narcissist, he also makes them all about himself - I read somewhere that he referred to himself 28 times in his 12-minute speech about this latest shooting. 28 times!

Unfortunately for Obummer, we have a Second Amendment, and a population that is vehemently opposed to ever repealing it.

[boutons_deux]

"politicize every mass shooting"

well, duh, as if NRA/GOA/gun-industry NEVER participate in politics to block, trash, ridicule each and every MENTION of gun regulation! :lol

goddam, you rightwingnuts today are especially easy to bitch slap to inane silliness.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You must be a horrible shot if you choose to take an AR hunting.

Fact is it's a war weapon. I bet if you could get your hands on a Browning you would take that out hunting too, since you're a horrible shot. I could kill a squirrel with a fork if I wanted too, it doesn't mean it's what it's meant for. The AR can hold up to 40 rounds, and it holds different types of rounds some higher caliber than others. This is a gun used to spray and/or used against multiple targets, which apparently people like yourself who can't aim worth a god damn shit have adopted for hunting.

I have 5 round magazines I use in my AR when I hunt deer so they don't hit the ground when using my bi-pod. I've rung steel gongs consistently at 600+ yards with my 18" AR. You are really making a fool out of yourself and showing your severely limited knowledge of the AR platform.

[Clipper Nation]

"politicize every mass shooting"

well, duh, as if NRA/GOA/gun-industry NEVER participate in politics to block, trash, ridicule each and every MENTION of gun regulation! :lol

goddam, you rightwingnuts today are especially easy to bitch slap to inane silliness.




Sorry, but the people politicizing shootings are the ones who use the visceral aftermath right after a tragedy as a platform to push for radical, unconstitutional changes - not the people who defend our Constitutional rights (as guaranteed by the Supreme Court) 24/7/365.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You don't understand though, I don't care about statistics. I care about the point/use of the fucking god damn weapon. There's no use for a damn AR outside of combat, no matter how much you suck at fucking hunting

You should care about statistics because your argument now has just boiled down to :cry my feels :cry

It's the most popular rifle in the United States and is used the least for murders. A gun is a gun, stop pretending a little black handguard or a nifty red dot makes it any more lethal. Oh noes a vertical grip!!!

[boutons_deux]

Sorry, but the people politicizing shootings are the ones who use the visceral aftermath right after a tragedy as a platform to push for radical, unconstitutional changes - not the people who defend our Constitutional rights (as guaranteed by the Supreme Court) 24/7/365.

:lol you are FULL OF SHIT. The NRA/GOA and other gun nuts will pipe up soon as they always do after these slaughters to trash people who want serious gun regulations.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol you are FULL OF SHIT. The NRA/GOA and other gun nuts will pipe up soon as they always do after these slaughters to trash people who want serious gun regulations.

You mean the serious regulations that would have stopped this tragedy you aren't willing to share?

[Clipper Nation]

You mean the serious regulations that would have stopped this tragedy you aren't willing to share?

:cry I already addressed those. G F Y :cry

:cry You Lie :cry

[Blizzardwizard]

It isn't viable according to anyone. Support for it would never be widespread. Do you have a solution that is feasible in the United States?

Not sure why you bothered asking me for my solution if all you were going to do is call my solution unfeasible simply because it doesn't align with your political agenda.

[Blizzardwizard]

Obummer voices his opinion all the time. Just like you, he immediately rushes to politicize every mass shooting before the bullets even leave the gun. And like a true narcissist, he also makes them all about himself - I read somewhere that he referred to himself 28 times in his 12-minute speech about this latest shooting. 28 times!

Unfortunately for Obummer, we have a Second Amendment, and a population that is vehemently opposed to ever repealing it.

Similarly to how you rightwingnuts rush to politicize any shooting or act of violence committed by an immigrant or foreigner of any kind.

Pretending rightwingnuts have the moral high ground by avoiding the real issues as always :lol

And as I mentioned before which you skilfully evaded, are these parents that come out in support of gun control after their kid is murdered 'politicizing' the event?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.html

Interesting...The LA Times changed the title of the article already. So were the "white supremacy" leanings made up bullshit to fit the narrative?

Title now reads:

Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and long struggled with mental issues, sources say

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.html

[boutons_deux]

You mean the serious regulations that would have stopped this tragedy you aren't willing to share?

I've given you my ideas on gun regulation. IIRC, you agreed with most of them. G F Y

[boutons_deux]

“I had this challenge as governor because we had — look, stuff happens,”

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/02/jeb-bush-is-criticized-for-saying-stuff-happens-in-reaction-to-oregon-shooting/

[Medvedenko]

Once again, it's not about Guns. We have Guns in Canada and don't have the level of BS mass shootings each year. We also get the same entertainment, movies, video games and adult content as you. It's America's entitlement and culture of violence coupled with mental illness ensure these things will happen time and time again. Also, the fact that the second amendment which is archaic and nonsensical in modern times being used as both a rallying point for and against is not the issue either.
Guns are used to protect, correct....well let's think about a culture that celebrates violence, redemption, rewards selfishness and stupidity all while being entitled to think everyone is a unique snowflake.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not sure why you bothered asking me for my solution if all you were going to do is call my solution unfeasible simply because it doesn't align with your political agenda.

This has nothing to do with my personal opinion or political agenda. Your solution is not feasible in the United States period.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I've given you my ideas on gun regulation. IIRC, you agreed with most of them. G F Y

Yes we did agree on quite a few ideas on regulations which is why I am wondering why you won't share your ideas on what new regulations would have stopped yesterday's shooting.

[boutons_deux]

America's Gun Business, By the Numbers

Before a gun can be used to hunt, for protection, or in a mass school shooting like Thursday's tragic killing at Umpqua Community College that left 10 dead (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/oregon-college-shooting/oregon-shooting-umpqua-gunman-chris-harper-mercer-what-we-know-n437351), it must be bought. That one sale is a single dot in a multibillion-dollar industry, one that is coming under new scrutiny during the post-massacre gun control debate. Here's a by the numbers breakdown.

$13.5 billion

Annual revenue of gun and ammunition manufacturing industry, with a $1.5 billion profit. (IBIS World (http://www.ibisworld.com/industry/default.aspx?indid=662))

$3.1 billion

Annual revenue of gun and ammunition stores, with a $478.4 million profit. (IBIS World (http://www.ibisworld.com/industry/gun-ammunition-stores.html))

10,847,792

The number of pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns and miscellaneous firearms manufactured in the U.S. in 2013, the latest full year available. That's 4,441,726 pistols, 725,282 revolvers, 3,979,570 rifles, 1,203,072 shotguns, and 495,142 miscellaneous firearms. (ATF (https://www.atf.gov/file/3341/download))

4%

Percentage of the above guns which were exported. Of those 10.84 million guns, 10,413,880 stay in America. (ATF (https://www.atf.gov/file/89561/download))


270-310 million

Estimated of number of guns in the U.S. (Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/04/a-minority-of-americans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/))


263,223

Number of full-time jobs related to the firearm industry, up from 209,750 in 2012. (NSSF (http://nssf.org/impact))

$42.9 billion

Estimated overall economic impact of the firearms and ammo industry in the U.S. (NSSF (http://nssf.org/impact))

20,968,273

Number of firearm background checks initiated in 2014. Because a background check is required before a gun is bought, this numbers gives insight into gun sale trends. However, just because a background check was initiated doesn't mean a gun was purchased. (FBI (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf))

9,138,123

Number of firearm background checks in 1999. (FBI (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf))

5

Average number of firearms owned by a gun owner once you toss out the top 3% of gun owners who own more than 25 guns. (Journal of Injury Prevention (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2610545/))

31%

Percentage of American households with guns. (NORC (http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf))

29%, 43.7%, 55.9%

Adults living in a household with firearms: percentage by suburbs, other urban areas, and rural counties, respectively. (NORC (http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf))

60%

Percentage of Americans who say personal safety/protection is the reason they own a gun. (Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/165605/personal-safety-top-reason-americans-own-guns-today.aspx))

$229 billion

The cost of fatal and non-fatal gun violence to the U.S. in 2012, representing 1.4% of total gross domestic product.(Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america))

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/02/americas-gun-business-by-the-numbers.html

2nd Amendment! :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

This has nothing to do with my personal opinion or political agenda.

Well it clearly does. So it's a coincidence a fervent gun supporter such as yourself believes that dispossessing people all weapons is completely unfeasible?

My solution is feasible according to me since you asked what my solution would be. Not sure why you think I should change my mind simply because you told me to..

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting...The LA Times changed the title of the article already. So were the "white supremacy" leanings made up bullshit to fit the narrative?

Title now reads:

Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and long struggled with mental issues, sources say

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.htmlConspiracy!

[TheSanityAnnex]

Well it clearly does. So it's a coincidence a fervent gun supporter such as yourself believes that dispossessing people all weapons is completely unfeasible?

My solution is feasible according to me since you asked what my solution would be. Not sure why you think I should change my mind simply because you told me to..

I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm simply asking you for a feasible solution which you have failed to give time and time again. Even the hardcore left here would laugh at your silly idea.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Conspiracy!

Just the media pushing their narrative without fact checking. Do you have any other explanation for them changing the title?

[ChumpDumper]

Just the media pushing their narrative without fact checking. Do you have any other explanation for them changing the title?


Interesting...The LA Times changed the title of the article already. So were the "white supremacy" leanings made up bullshit to fit the narrative?

Title now reads:

Oregon gunman left hate-filled note and long struggled with mental issues, sources say

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-shooting-20151002-story.htmlHad you read even the first paragraph of the article, you'd have known that the "hate-filled" and "white supremacist leanings" phrases were still in there.

The gunman who carried out the deadly attack on Umpqua Community College was described Friday as a “hate-filled” individual, with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who has long struggled with mental health issues, law enforcement sources said.

Next time read the article.

[ducks]

People that buy guns are paying taxes on them

[ChumpDumper]

People that buy guns are paying taxes on themI think the car murder angle may be better than this one.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Had you read even the first paragraph of the article, you'd have known that the "hate-filled" and "white supremacist leanings" phrases were still in there.


Next time read the article.
I specifically mentioned the title change and you didn't answer the question of why they pull that from the title.

[ChumpDumper]

I specifically mentioned the title change and you didn't answer the question of why they pull that from the title.Since they didn't change the article, what is your problem?

You were accusing them of running a false story then redacting it. All they did was change the headline, emphasizing a different part of the story. The story is the same.

[Medvedenko]

The way I see it is this: More mass shootings, it feeds both sides, what increases is gun sales. These incidents don't decrease sales, they do the opposite by creating fear on both sides. "Geez, I don't want to get shot...better buy a gun for protection" Hey, they're going to take my guns away...buy more guns because the government will come in and make me register them and take them away soon"

America: Culture born of redemption, revenge, entitlement and warped sense of individuality.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Since they didn't change the article, what is your problem?

You were accusing them of running a false story then redacting it. All they did was change the headline, emphasizing a different part of the story. The story is the same.its poor journalism and was obviously brought to their attention as they took the original title down.

[ChumpDumper]

The way I see it is this: More mass shootings, it feeds both sides, what increases is gun sales. These incidents don't decrease sales, they do the opposite by creating fear on both sides. "Geez, I don't want to get shot...better buy a gun for protection" Hey, they're going to take my guns away...buy more guns because the government will come in and make me register them and take them away soon"

America: Culture born of redemption, revenge, entitlement and warped sense of individuality.The thing that gets me is in the face of the increasing frequency of these crimes, the families of guys like this don't even seem to think twice about the symptoms that aren't exactly hidden from them.

[ChumpDumper]

its poor journalism and was obviously brought to their attention as they took the original title down.Why is it poor journalism? The story is exactly the same. The white supremacist angle is still in the first paragraph. The story didn't change. Why are you acting like they redacted the white supremacist angle? They didn't. Changing the title didn't change the article one bit.

[Medvedenko]

The thing that gets me is in the face of the increasing frequency of these crimes, the families of guys like this don't even seem to think twice about the symptoms that aren't exactly hidden from them.

You don't always see your own family as the problem and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. It's simple and human.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't always see your own family as the problem and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. It's simple and human.I guess, but 14 guns in a two-bedroom apartment? I think that's a little hard to miss. Especially after Nancy Lanza got blasted after doing all the things she did for her fucked up kid, you'd think folks might work a little more in their own interest.

[Medvedenko]

The thing that gets me is in the face of the increasing frequency of these crimes, the families of guys like this don't even seem to think twice about the symptoms that aren't exactly hidden from them.

You don't always see your own family as the problem and will do whatever it takes to cover it up. It's simple and human.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The black registered independent right wing white supremacist. Did I get it right?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Curious why he was discharged from military.

[Medvedenko]

I guess, but 14 guns in a two-bedroom apartment? I think that's a little hard to miss. Especially after Nancy Lanza got blasted after doing all the things she did for her fucked up kid, you'd think folks might work a little more in their own interest.

Comes down to negligence and no real threat of repercussion other than being labelled as a shitty parent. Maybe jail time and financial penalties would spur people into action.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Comes down to negligence and no real threat of repercussion other than being labelled as a shitty parent. Maybe jail time and financial penalties would spur people into action.

Doesn't sound like she was a shitty parent though.

[mingus]

You should care about statistics because your argument now has just boiled down to :cry my feels :cry

It's the most popular rifle in the United States and is used the least for murders. A gun is a gun, stop pretending a little black handguard or a nifty red dot makes it any more lethal. Oh noes a vertical grip!!!

What you mean about "feels"? Feelings?

Statistics dont mean much to me in this argument. For me it's simple: there are certain weapons that belong purely on the battlefield. You wanna shoot a Bazooka? Join the military...you wanna shoot an m16? Join the military? You wanna shoot a machine gun? Then the military is where it's at for you.

Nobody who is not in combat needs nor should have access to a weapon that can hold 40 rounds for the same reason a nobody should have access to an M16: it's simply excessive for any situation any U.S. Citizen is going to need it for. 1% may not be a lot but it's an unreasonable figure when viewed in it's proper context, which is that it is too many shootings when there traditional hunting weapon out there and it doesn't need to be on streets for hunting or anything. It's an excessive weapon.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What you mean about "feels"? Feelings?

Statistics dont mean much to me in this argument. For me it's simple: there are certain weapons that belong purely on the battlefield. You wanna shoot a Bazooka? Join the military...you wanna shoot an m16? Join the military? You wanna shoot a machine gun? Then the military is where it's at for you.

Nobody who is not in combat needs nor should have access to a weapon that can hold 40 rounds for the same reason a nobody should have access to an M16: it's simply excessive for any situation any U.S. Citizen is going to need it for. 1% may not be a lot but it's an unreasonable figure when viewed in it's proper context, which is that it is too many shootings when there traditional hunting weapon out there and it doesn't need to be on streets for hunting or anything. It's an excessive weapon.

AR15's are not M16's.

I wont even bother with the rest of your argument because it's based on your feelings and not facts.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What you mean about "feels"? Feelings?

Statistics dont mean much to me in this argument. For me it's simple: there are certain weapons that belong purely on the battlefield. You wanna shoot a Bazooka? Join the military...you wanna shoot an m16? Join the military? You wanna shoot a machine gun? Then the military is where it's at for you.

Nobody who is not in combat needs nor should have access to a weapon that can hold 40 rounds for the same reason a nobody should have access to an M16: it's simply excessive for any situation any U.S. Citizen is going to need it for. 1% may not be a lot but it's an unreasonable figure when viewed in it's proper context, which is that it is too many shootings when there traditional hunting weapon out there and it doesn't need to be on streets for hunting or anything. It's an excessive weapon.

And just to make sure I am clear with your line of thinking you are not against all rifles just AR15s correct?

So this Ruger is all good in your book correct?
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/5801_zpsn3svqfwz.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Uh oh mingus. The traditional hunting weapon the shotgun was used in more murders than the rifle. And the AR15 is a subset of the rifle category so the numbers are even smaller than what the chart gives. Is the shotgun an excessive weapon that doesn't need to be on the streets for hunting or anything?

[mingus]

This is not about feelings at all to me. Can you point to one specific thing I said that was based on feeling? You keep saying it's about feeling, I don't know wtf you're talking about. YOU are the one who has an emotional attachment to your AR, which as I've stated shouldn't be legal. Why? They are excessive and over-qualified for basically any situation a regular citizen has a need for. The 1% statistic might as well be .001, it doesn't matter. I don't advocate rights based on statistics I advocate rights based on inherent reason. And there is no inherent reason to own an AR15.

[pgardn]

I have 5 round magazines I use in my AR when I hunt deer so they don't hit the ground when using my bi-pod. I've rung steel gongs consistently at 600+ yards with my 18" AR. You are really making a fool out of yourself and showing your severely limited knowledge of the AR platform.

I think he is questioning your ability as a hunter.

Bow Hunting anyone?

[mingus]

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Uh oh mingus. The traditional hunting weapon the shotgun was used in more murders than the rifle. And the AR15 is a subset of the rifle category so the numbers are even smaller than what the chart gives. Is the shotgun an excessive weapon that doesn't need to be on the streets for hunting or anything?

You know, if I have to repeat my self over and over then this is a waste of time. I hate people who waste my time, therefore I'm out.

[pgardn]

A gun is a gun

So the guns on a battleship are guns.

You know what he is saying. Shotguns are used for birds and would be fine by Mingus I would think. So what are you doing with a shotgun in NYC? Pigeons are that tasty?

Guns just shoot projectiles I would think. So you can't carry an ICBM. But a grenade launcher is ...

I actually find guns fascinating but don't own one. Is there some piece of sanity we can possibly arrive at besides guns are guns?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think he is questioning your ability as a hunter.

Bow Hunting anyone?

I have and hunt with a compound bow. Paper plates at 65 yards all day.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is not about feelings at all to me. Can you point to one specific thing I said that was based on feeling? You keep saying it's about feeling, I don't know wtf you're talking about. YOU are the one who has an emotional attachment to your AR, which as I've stated shouldn't be legal. Why? They are excessive and over-qualified for basically any situation a regular citizen has a need for. The 1% statistic might as well be .001, it doesn't matter. I don't advocate rights based on statistics I advocate rights based on inherent reason. And there is no inherent reason to own an AR15.
You feel they are excessive and over qualified and want your feelings to regulate another citizens rights.

[TheSanityAnnex]

And just to make sure I am clear with your line of thinking you are not against all rifles just AR15s correct?

So this Ruger is all good in your book correct?
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/5801_zpsn3svqfwz.jpg


Is this rifle excessive?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So the guns on a battleship are guns.

You know what he is saying. Shotguns are used for birds and would be fine by Mingus I would think. So what are you doing with a shotgun in NYC? Pigeons are that tasty?

Guns just shoot projectiles I would think. So you can't carry an ICBM. But a grenade launcher is ...

I actually find guns fascinating but don't own one. Is there some piece of sanity we can possibly arrive at besides guns are guns?Those bird shotguns murder more people than the scary black rifles he wants banned.

I'm also fascinated by them and enjoy building them as much as I do shooting them. And I don't see what is wrong with saying a gun is a gun because it is. A gun shoots a projectile, the human behind it decides where and when.

[pgardn]

Those bird shotguns murder more people than the scary black rifles he wants banned.

I'm also fascinated by them and enjoy building them as much as I do shooting them. And I don't see what is wrong with saying a gun is a gun because it is. A gun shoots a projectile, the human behind it decides where and when.

So a grenade launcher is a gun.

[pgardn]

Those bird shotguns murder more people than the scary black rifles he wants banned.

I'm also fascinated by them and enjoy building them as much as I do shooting them. And I don't see what is wrong with saying a gun is a gun because it is. A gun shoots a projectile, the human behind it decides where and when.

I understand that.

And I have trouble getting all salty with people who know a lot more about things I am interested in. But the places you would tend to have shotguns would be rural. So can you see some way to at least limit the availability in crowded urban areas? Like a bar in NYC.

Suppose you knew the government had the ability to outlaw and take all shotguns, yet you know,and I know, I want to eat those tasty dove and quail. What could we do to persuade the government to allow us to continue to shoot these tasty Avians? Just suppose, cause the NRA can't handle suppose, but on a silly board we can suppose. What could be done to reduce the numbers of these weapons where they don't belong?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I understand that.

And I have trouble getting all salty with people who know a lot more about things I am interested in. But the places you would tend to have shotguns would be rural. So can you see some way to at least limit the availability in crowded urban areas? Like a bar in NYC.

Suppose you knew the government had the ability to outlaw and take all shotguns, yet you know,and I know, I want to eat those tasty dove and quail. What could we do to persuade the government to allow us to continue to shoot these tasty Avians? Just suppose, cause the NRA can't handle suppose, but on a silly board we can suppose. What could be done to reduce the numbers of these weapons where they don't belong?
You are losing me manatee. Just ask me your question straight up.

[pgardn]

You are losing me manatee. Just ask me your question straight up.

I am the Walrus.


Nevermind.

[Th'Pusher]

AR15's are not M16's.

I wont even bother with the rest of your argument because it's based on your feelings and not facts.
You have to admit this is rich coming from you. It's been well established you're a wildly emotional man incapable of applying logic and reason when it comes to discussing guns.

i do admire the way you've repackaged my emotional monicker into this "feels" Shtick and labeled it your own. :lol

[ducks]

"The United States ranks about ninth compared to countries in Europe in terms of either the rate of these mass public shootings or the fatalities from them," he said.

"The thing you have to take into account to some extent is a lot of these European countries are a lot smaller. You know 4 million, 8 million, you may have 40 million people, Germany maybe 80 million.

"But we're over 320 million people and so you have to kind of adjust a little bit for the population differences. If you take Europe as a whole, there's not a big difference in the per capita rate of mass public shootings compared to the United States."

[TheSanityAnnex]

You have to admit this is rich coming from you. It's been well established you're a wildly emotional man incapable of applying logic and reason when it comes to discussing guns.

i do admire the way you've repackaged my emotional monicker into this "feels" Shtick and labeled it your own. :lol
You add value to discussions here and there, tonight is not one of those times. I'm sorry you felt the need to log in and express your emotions towards me.

[Clipper Nation]

You add value to discussions here and there
Since when?

[spurraider21]

This bro was 26 and living at home. No wonder he went fucking apeshit.
the only people who dont live at home are homeless tbh :lol

[pgardn]

the only people who dont live at home are homeless tbh :lol

Rob is always in transit between business meetings. 5 star hotels become mundane enough to cause paranoia and illusions of grandeur.

[boutons_deux]

Julie Annie shitbag reverses his stand

After Oregon Shooting, Rudy Giuliani Bashes Obama on Gun Control

If you were ever moved to search for Rudy Giuliani’s integrity, you might start at Fox News.

That is where, in an interview (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4526005350001/giuliani-on-deadly-c-130-crash-gun-control/?playlist_id=930909787001#sp=show-clips) on Friday morning, he let loose a gusher of right-wing drivel about gun rights. His argument would have been senseless and repellent anytime, but it was particularly grotesque coming the morning after yet another gun massacre, in Oregon, and coming from a former moderate Republican mayor who once understood the deadly toll of unregulated guns, and knew that gun laws needed fixing.

He was asked his reaction to President Obama’s weary, angry call on Thursday for an end to the slaughter.

“I think the president has very little knowledge of what causes crime or how to reduce crime,” Mr. Giuliani said. “The reality is gun control laws control the behavior of legitimate people. People who rob stores, people who rob banks and people who are insane and want to go ahead and murder don’t follow the gun control laws.”

He went on: “It’s the behavior of people, it’s not the guns.”

That’s not what he used to think.

In 1993 (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/12/nyregion/guns-laws-and-giuliani.html), he joined those calling for a national system of gun licensing, “with stringent but realistic criteria.”

In 1998 (http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/19/nyregion/mayor-proposes-a-law-requiring-trigger-locks-on-all-guns.html), he proposed a law to require New York City gun owners to buy trigger locks.

And in 2000 (http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/20/nyregion/giuliani-joins-the-war-on-handgun-manufacturers.html), he said New York would file a federal lawsuit seeking tens of millions of dollars in damages from gun companies as compensation for the injuries and deaths caused by their products. The Times headline: “Giuliani Joins the War on Handgun Manufacturers.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/takingnote/2015/10/02/after-oregon-shooting-rudy-giuliani-bashes-obama-on-gun-control/

[boutons_deux]

4 Pro-Gun Arguments We're Sick of Hearing

Thursday's mass shooting is sure to be met with the usual arguments for why we can't do anything about gun control

1. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

This is a fantastic argument for those who can't tell the difference between one death and a dozen. Absolutely, a murderer can often kill one person or two with a knife before being stopped. But to really rack up those mind-blowing death counts – to make sure that many lives are destroyed and families ruined in the space of five or 10 minutes – you need a gun. If all you care about is apportioning blame and declaring that someone does or does not have murderous intent, then by all means, claim a knife and a gun are equivalent weapons. For those of us who are more worried about preventing unnecessary deaths than merely acknowledging the hate that resides in some people's hearts, however, the sheer amount of damage a gun can do is reason to limit who can get their hands on one.

2. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

If you prefer pithy sayings to hard evidence, I can see why this would be convincing. But if you look at the real world, you'll find that far from being our only hope, good guys with guns are barely any help at all. No mass shootings in the past 30 years have been stopped by an armed civilian (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation); in 1982, an armed civilian successfully killed a shooter, but it was only after he committed his crime.

It's not that there aren't enough guns, either. There are as many guns as people in this country (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/04/a-minority-of-americans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/), and fully a third of people are armed. Even when shootings happen in gun-happy places, where armed people are sure to be nearby, this vigilante scenario simply doesn't work. That's because pulling a gun out and shooting back in the chaos of a mass shooting just makes things worse, as was discovered when a would-be hero at the 2011 shooting of Gabby Giffords very nearly shot the wrong man (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41018893/ns/slate_com/t/armed-giffords-hero-nearly-shot-wrong-man/). (The actual shooter was tackled by an elderly man.)

3. "But, mental health!"

Opponents of gun control love bringing up the problem of inadequate mental health care after a shooting. This is strictly for deflection purposes, as there is no indication that Republicans will ever work on meaningful reform for our mental health systems – which, it's true are woefully inadequate. It's an issue that only matters to them in the immediate aftermath of a shooting – then it's forgotten, until there's another shooting. Rinse, repeat.

Also, the "mental health" gambit, in this context, is always vague. What exactly is the plan? Round up everyone with a mental health issue and put them under lock and key? That amounts to 1 in 5 Americans (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/any-mental-illness-ami-among-adults.shtml), the vast majority of whom have no violent tendencies. Will we have some kind of extensive mental health registry? A lot of Americans who struggle with mental health are undiagnosed, though, and putting them on a government list that restricts their rights is not a great inducement to get a diagnosis. There are a lot of shooters in this country, so we have some pretty good data on mass shooters. And that data shows there's no reliable way to tell who is going to go off like this (http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/actually-know-connections-mental-illness-mass-shootings-gun-violence-83103), and only 23 percent of shooters have a diagnosis. Even if all of those individuals got gold-star treatment, the system would only stop a few shooters.

4. "Second Amendment, baby."

Here's a good time to remind everyone that the Second Amendment was written by slaveholders before we had electricity, much less the kind of weaponry that would-be murderers can buy today. But sure, if you think it's that precious, we can compromise: If you love the Second Amendment that much, feel free to live in a powdered wig and shit in a chamberpot while trying to survive off what you can kill with an 18th century musket. In exchange, let those of us living in this century pass some laws so we can feel safe going to class, or the movies, or anywhere without worrying that some maladjusted man will try to get his revenge by raining death on random strangers.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/4-pro-gun-arguments-were-sick-of-hearing-20151001?page=2

[unleashbaynes]

We gotta do something at some point. All of these people doing mass shootings seem to be getting their weapons through legal channels. So getting a gun legally is so easy in our country that any crazy piece of shit can do it. That needs to change. You should have to undergo psychiatric evaluations. Not have a family history of psychotic behavior. Prove that you're actually responsible enough to own it. Have to go through more than a one-day class in gun safety.

Yeah, i know criminals will always get guns. So the fuck what. Those people want guns to do criminal-related things, street crimes, not shoot up schools. I doubt awkward beta uprising guy knew very many people that had access to illegal weapons, much less any that would trust his weird looking ass enough to sell him one.

[RD2191]

the only people who dont live at home are homeless tbh :lol
With his mother, smartass.

[Pelicans78]

It was a Zionist plot.

[Bender]

AR15's are not M16's.
anti-gunners argue like people can just walk in to stores and buy bazookas and M-16s...

lol !!!!

[Trill Clinton]

so the shooter was a anti black, white supremacist, athiest. sounds like a lot of ST posters.

i wonder if he was a spurs fanhttp://i60.tinypic.com/p5etx.png

[boutons_deux]

All y'all rightwinguts, here's your "kill the n!gg@s" hero:


On Twitter, where Zimmerman does his attacking these days (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/zimmerman-brags-about-killing-trayvon-martin-we-all-know-how-it-ended-for-the-last-moron-that-hit-me/), the acquitted killer tweeted:

“2 things P.O.S. Obama & his son have in common, self proclaimed “mixed race” and attacking Christians on US soil.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/george-zimmerman-compares-obama-to-mixed-race-oregon-shooter-christopher-harper-mercer/?utm_source=fark

[Trill Clinton]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tfh8shplbl8xfa6bp9cd.jpg

649765518057046016

http://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.png

[m>s]

This is the second biracial black guy to shoot something up recently, then there was that biracial eli0t Rogers kid. I've posted the statistics on mixed race people being much more likely to suffer from mental illness. It's time we tackle race mixing and take this seriously.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol how is this guy considered white?

[Trill Clinton]

:lol how is this guy considered white?


same as shaun kinghttp://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.png

[TheSanityAnnex]

same as shaun kinghttp://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.png
No. King's parents were white. Mercer's parents were black and white.

[Trill Clinton]

No. King's parents were white. Mercer's parents were black and white.

so was shaun kings parentshttp://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.png

only difference between the two is king is a sjw and the shooter a white supremacist.

[Trill Clinton]

No. King's parents were white. Mercer's parents were black and white.

do you have a pic of the shooter's mom?

[TheSanityAnnex]

No rifle used. Only hand guns
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/umpqua_community_college_victi.html#incart_river_h ome

And no further mentions of him being a white supremacist
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-shooting-umpqua-community-college-chris-harper-mercer-investigation/

[Trill Clinton]

650340028636340224

http://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.jpg

[Trill Clinton]

from brietbart:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/02/cnn-oregon-shooter-rambled-about-hatred-toward-black-men-being-a-virgin-in-writings/


According to the report, Mercer gave his writings to a survivor of the massacre, which revealed “hatred” toward black men and his struggles with the opposite sex.


http://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.jpg

[mingus]

You feel they are excessive and over qualified and want your feelings to regulate another citizens rights.

As I said you're the one with emotional attachment here.

You don't agree with me and that's alright. But it's idiotic to say my argument is based on feeling when I've demonstrated argument based on nothing of the kind. I can see through your accusation tho, it's not a cover for not being able or wanting to rebuttal my argument. It distracts from my points, which I'm still waiting on you to challenge substantively.

[TheSanityAnnex]

And just to make sure I am clear with your line of thinking you are not against all rifles just AR15s correct?

So this Ruger is all good in your book correct?
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/5801_zpsn3svqfwz.jpg

[m>s]

^top kek. hey lefties go ahead and define what an "assault rifle" means to you. i'm hungry for some keks, please deliver.

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol how is this guy considered white?


Same as M>s and Uncle Rukus no doubt about it..don't let melanin fool ya :lol

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[Koolaid_Man]

from brietbart:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/02/cnn-oregon-shooter-rambled-about-hatred-toward-black-men-being-a-virgin-in-writings/


According to the report, Mercer gave his writings to a survivor of the massacre, which revealed “hatred” toward black men and his struggles with the opposite sex.


http://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.jpg

kII9KBdjW0U

[Harry Callahan]

This is not about feelings at all to me. Can you point to one specific thing I said that was based on feeling? You keep saying it's about feeling, I don't know wtf you're talking about. YOU are the one who has an emotional attachment to your AR, which as I've stated shouldn't be legal. Why? They are excessive and over-qualified for basically any situation a regular citizen has a need for. The 1% statistic might as well be .001, it doesn't matter. I don't advocate rights based on statistics I advocate rights based on inherent reason. And there is no inherent reason to own an AR15.

Ever heard of the feral hog? Amralite Rifles (ARs) are a popular tool to eliminate these hogs.. Look it up. There are over 2,000,000 ferals in the state of Texas, tearing up farmland and causing mayhem. There is open season on the hog in Texas nowdays.

[Harry Callahan]

The Oregon newspapers indicate the Oregon murderer passed every background check for every weapon used in the shooting. This has happened in other similar situations.

The NICS system, which was instituted in 1994 by Bill Clinton and his allies, is already providing the background checks that the "Brady Bunch" and Bloomberg crowd is so enamored with.

Once again the question is - what policy does Mr. Obama want to institute to eliminate these shootings? The background checks were in place - this scumbag in Oregon passed the checks. This was apparently a first (and only) time criminal.

The Federal government is not able to properly maintain the NICS system database. Better information needs to be put in the system - get the mentally impaired loaded into the system. Of course the ACLU folks would protest and we now have HIPPA laws in place to thrwart that approach.

Obama and his allies just want to ban something and/or pass another ineffective law when they know they can't properly administer/enforce the laws already in place. That is to set up the next law we can't live without that will "fix" things.

Bottom line is - background checks were not the solution in this shooting. This Oregon scumbag followed all the laws in place and a horrible shooting still took place.

I'm sure Obammy would love for the Aussie Gun Ban scenario to play out, but that is not happening here in the U.S. A constitutional amendment is not happening - the Bill of Rights is going to win out at least in my lifetime.

The goal for Mr. Obama is to implement some kind of legislation to chip away at the stone that is the 2nd Amendment.

BHO is not interested in saving lives. BHO is interested in growing the power of his political party. BHO is interested in "Moving Forward" with agenda Mr. Aires sold him on.

[spurraider21]

I'm either hearing white supremacist or isis affiliate. Lol fear mongering on both sides of the aisle

[Harry Callahan]

I'm either hearing white supremacist or isis affiliate. Lol fear mongering on both sides of the aisle

How bout a mental cripple who could not properly function in society and decided to become famous.

The Federal Goverment (U.S. Army) washed the Oregon scumbag out of the military during boot camp. It would be interested to know why.....hopefully a journalist will have the intellectual integrity to file a FOI act motion to obtain this information.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm either hearing white supremacist or isis affiliate. Lol fear mongering on both sides of the aisleYeah, i think there might be a touch more nuance to his beliefs.

[mingus]

Ever heard of the feral hog? Amralite Rifles (ARs) are a popular tool to eliminate these hogs.. Look it up. There are over 2,000,000 ferals in the state of Texas, tearing up farmland and causing mayhem. There is open season on the hog in Texas nowdays.

I've stated what I believe. If you want to stretch the situations (make them extreme) to where an AR15 would be more useful, which is what you are doing, then go ahead. But an AR isn't needed for realistic situations. Sure, it makes things easier for a lot of people, but that's because it's over-powered. M16s would facilitate it even more, but where does the buck stop? I've stated where I believe it stops.

[mingus]

Anyway, I think two things have to be done to help prevent these situations. 1, people have to be more vigilant for suspicious behavior. Even now it seems this guy made some very suspicious posts on the Internet. Those should be reported. 2, less or no reporting of killer. Don't mention his name, don't show his picture. It becoming more and more clear that these mass murders want fame either for their message, themselves or both. The media has huge effect on the perpetration and perpetuation of these killings with their coverage like in the movie Natural Born Killers shows. They have blood on their hands IMO. I know they're doing their journalistic duties but it times to make it secondary to moral duty.

[Spurminator]

from brietbart:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/02/cnn-oregon-shooter-rambled-about-hatred-toward-black-men-being-a-virgin-in-writings/


According to the report, Mercer gave his writings to a survivor of the massacre, which revealed “hatred” toward black men and his struggles with the opposite sex.


http://i61.tinypic.com/2vws50k.jpg

the comments on that article....

[boutons_deux]

Guns killed more Americans in 12 years than AIDS, war, and illegal drug overdoses combined

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism

2nd Amendment, bitches! :lol

[boutons_deux]

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0bl3sL5CpQxfIkpzBeEm3A9R-DQ=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4120760/gun-deaths-rate5.0.jpg

[boutons_deux]

There's scientific consensus on guns -- and the NRA won't like it

One survey asked whether having a gun in the home increased the risk of suicide. An overwhelming share of the 150 people who responded, 84%, said yes.

This result was not at all surprising because the scientific evidence is overwhelming. It includes a dozen individual-level studies that investigate why some people commit suicide and others do not, and an almost equal number of area-wide studies that try to explain differences in suicide rates across cities, states and regions.

widespread confidence that a gun in the home increases the risk that a woman living in the home will be a victim of homicide (72% agree, 11% disagree) and

that a gun in the home makes it a more dangerous place to be (64%) rather than a safer place (5%).

There is consensus that guns are not used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime (73% vs. 8%) and

that the change to more permissive gun carrying laws has not reduced crime rates (62% vs. 9%).

Finally, there is consensus that strong gun laws reduce homicide (71% vs. 12%).

Of course it's possible to find researchers who side with the NRA in believing that guns make our society safer, rather than more dangerous. As I've shown, however, they're in the minority.

Scientific consensus isn't always right, but it's our best guide to understanding the world. Can reporters please stop pretending that scientists, like politicians, are evenly divided on guns? We're not.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-hemenway-guns-20150423-story.html

More Guns = More Gun Violence ( = More Gun Business Profits and $250B in gun violence medical costs )

[Harry Callahan]

How can someone suppress the media from reporting information given the competitive nature of it. Networks will try and scoop other networks.

[Harry Callahan]

Instead of cutting and pasting platitudes from Rolling Stone and Vox (are they fair and balanced? Nope), how about some actual suggestions to minimize shootings.

My guess is BD would suggest registration of all firearms in the U.S. with a confiscation of all semi automatics across the board. Am I correct?

A serious upgrading of the NICS system might be a start, since the Oregon killer passed approximately 7 background checks in the last three years (according to one of the Oregon Papers) - yes the background checks that a lot of people think are the answer.

[boutons_deux]

"actual suggestions to minimize shootings."

Less Guns = Less Gun Violence

I don't support blanket confiscation, but I do support specific confiscation (and destruction) for violations of my much more stringent regulations.

treat killing tools the same as cars.

Every one GIN like a VIN. No GIN? gun confiscated and destroyed.

Every one registered in a national db accessible to all law enforcement.

On demand, owner or carrier must produce the registration card and insurance card.

Missing either one, the gun is confiscated for 30 days minimum. If GIN or insurance produced in 60 days, the gun is destroyed.

Every one gun pays an annual registration renewal.

Every one insured, with GOVT insurance (not private) with annual premiums, 10 guns? 10 insurance policies.

Lose a gun? $1000 fine. Lose another gun? $1000, 30 days in jail and state felony, and all guns confiscated for 1 year.

(nearly 250K guns "stolen" every year, any owner penalized?) Stolen guns recovered are destroyed.

Any gun modified is confiscated and destroyed.

etc, etc.

Expensive? fully funded by gun owners through insurance, registration fees, penalties, etc. If the program is in deficit, then hike all the insurance, fees, penalties, etc until in the black.

[Harry Callahan]

BD,

Interesting list - passing constitutional muster would be a mountain, but it's just suggestions after all.

The GIN would be a gun registry on top of the other registry list suggested - having that list would make full confiscation very attainable.

I would like prosecution of anyone who lies on a 4473 form. The Federal government treats this violation of a law in place as a joke. No one is prosecuted.

Upgrading the NICS system would be good, but doing that effectively and efficiently is a tall order. Comprehensive mental health records would need to be integrated into the system, but that seems to be a brick wall in some quarters (ACLU?). The right to privacy issues and all.



Thanks for the list.....

[m>s]

Except gun rights aren't only for the wealthy who can afford insurance and all this other bs, it's for anyone. You can't use the power to tax to start pushing political agendas. Why don't we tax you to post? $1.00 per shitty post, shitposting without a license? 1,000 dollar fine, 2nd offense? 5 year sentence for excessive shilling and shitposting.

[Harry Callahan]

Except gun rights aren't only for the wealthy who can afford insurance and all this other bs, it's for anyone. You can't use the power to tax to start pushing physical agendas. Why don't we tax you to post? $1.00 per shitty post, shitposting without a license? 1,000 dollar fine, 2nd offense? 5 year sentence for excessive shilling and shitposting.

Yup. Sounds pretty expensive. Where would the money go? The wrong place of course.

[ducks]

Go trump go
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/03/politics/donald-trump-oregon-shooting-armed-teachers/index.html

[ducks]

"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem," Trump told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "It's not a question of the laws, it's really the people."

[boutons_deux]

BD,

Interesting list - passing constitutional muster would be a mountain, but it's just suggestions after all.

The GIN would be a gun registry on top of the other registry list suggested - having that list would make full confiscation very attainable.

I would like prosecution of anyone who lies on a 4473 form. The Federal government treats this violation of a law in place as a joke. No one is prosecuted.

Upgrading the NICS system would be good, but doing that effectively and efficiently is a tall order. Comprehensive mental health records would need to be integrated into the system, but that seems to be a brick wall in some quarters (ACLU?). The right to privacy issues and all.



Thanks for the list.....

where the does the Constitution block any of that?

and add 25% Federal sales tax at retail on guns and ammo

[ducks]

Guns killed more Americans in 12 years than AIDS, war, and illegal drug overdoses combined

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism

2nd Amendment, bitches! :lolcars did to with help of drunks

When are u going to want to take our cars away
They also polute the earth

[ducks]

where the does the Constitution block any of that?

and add 25% Federa sales tax at ratial on guns and ammo
Yeah tax it so the people can not go to range and practice and carry guns legal to protect themselves from idiots that start shooting where u are at

Raise more money for gov to waste it is fucking stupid

Plan parent waste millions also but want 500 million from tax payers
And democrats are afraid to give that 500 million to other women health places

[ducks]

Instead of cutting and pasting platitudes from Rolling Stone and Vox (are they fair and balanced? Nope), how about some actual suggestions to minimize shootings.

My guess is BD would suggest registration of all firearms in the U.S. with a confiscation of all semi automatics across the board. Am I correct?

A serious upgrading of the NICS system might be a start, since the Oregon killer passed approximately 7 background checks in the last three years (according to one of the Oregon Papers) - yes the background checks that a lot of people think are the answer.

The military messed up should have flagged him when he was discharged from military

[DMX7]

Yeah tax it so the people can not go to range and practice and carry guns legal to protect themselves from idiots that start shooting where u are at

Raise more money for gov to waste it is fucking stupid

Plan parent waste millions also but want 500 million from tax payers
And democrats are afraid to give that 500 million to other women health places

Show me your evidence that PP wastes millions... and for context $500M is about what it costs to buy 2x jet fighters (F-22s). TWO!

[ducks]

For one they have pay their president over half a million
That is a waste
They give millions to politically stuff
Waste millions on entertainment

[ducks]

12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/top-12-reasons-defund-planned-parenthood-now

[DMX7]

12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/top-12-reasons-defund-planned-parenthood-now

Protecting their organization from lunatics spreading lies and trying to defund them? How scandalous...

[ducks]

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-boland/planned-parenthood-got-5406-million-government-grants-fy-2013

55 million about 1/8

Not counting entertainment and the president salary
Cut her salary to 100k and see if she runs or stays
It is for women's Heath right not the money

[DMX7]

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-boland/planned-parenthood-got-5406-million-government-grants-fy-2013

55 million about 1/8

Not counting entertainment and the president salary
Cut her salary to 100k and see if she runs or stays
It is for women's Heath right not the money


Ms. Richards’s pay is similar to that of a chief executive of a hospital with revenue a little more than a tenth of Planned Parenthood’s — about $151 million, according to Dr. Jha’s analysis of data from Guidestar, a company that analyzes nonprofits’ annual tax filings ... In Guidestar’s report on nonprofit pay, among the 3,335 organizations in its highest budget category — nonprofits bringing in more than $50 million — average compensation is $689,973, about 17 percent more than Ms. Richards earns in total compensation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/upshot/is-planned-parenthoods-president-overpaid.html?ref=politics&_r=0

[ducks]

The hospital is not saying it is just for women and getting 500 million from tax payers

[DMX7]

The hospital is not saying it is just for women and getting 500 million from tax payers

That's not really the point, is it? If her salary were cut to $100K and the rest of the organization were getting $499.9M, you would still want to defund it.

Regardless, she runs a very large organization and has tremendous responsibilities. A base salary in the $500K range is not unreasonable.

[ducks]

500k is fine just do not ask for taxpayers money then
Run it as a business

[tbdog]

cars did to with help of drunks

When are u going to want to take our cars away
They also polute the earth

Cars are used for transportation. Guns are used to maim and kill. Seriously? That is your argument?

[DMX7]

500k is fine just do not ask for taxpayers money then
Run it as a business

Why are you ok with Lockheed Martin CEO getting $15M in total comp? Lockheed Martin got over $30 Billion of tax payers money last year.

[tbdog]

You know what I think. Ban the legal acquisition of handguns, assault rifles and whatever else you can pry from the hands of hillbillies. "But people would just get them illegally" I hear you say. Well, that already happens, so at least rid of one viable option for budding psychopaths to purchase a weapon.

The less legally owned guns out in circulation, the more expensive the illegally purchased ones are. Supply and demand. Step up America.

[ChumpDumper]

How did ducks get Planned Parenthood salaries into this?

[Blizzardwizard]

The less legally owned guns out in circulation, the more expensive the illegally purchased ones are. Supply and demand. Step up America.

EXACTLY!

:toast

[boutons_deux]

EXACTLY!

:toast

Oz's very positive experience with fewer guns after the Tasmanian massacre

http://mic.com/articles/123049/19-years-after-passing-strict-gun-control-laws-here-s-what-happened-in-australia

[boutons_deux]

Except gun rights aren't only for the wealthy who can afford insurance and all this other bs, it's for anyone. You can't use the power to tax to start pushing political agendas. Why don't we tax you to post? $1.00 per shitty post, shitposting without a license? 1,000 dollar fine, 2nd offense? 5 year sentence for excessive shilling and shitposting.

If they really want a gun, they can find the money, like they do for cars, gas, whores, drugs, cable TV, dick hardener, cellphones, eat-out meals. So fuck that bullshit excuse. and fuck your pervertedly WRONG interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If they really want a gun, they can find the money, like they do for cars, gas, whores, drugs, cable TV, dick hardener, cellphones, eat-out meals. So fuck that bullshit excuse. and fuck your pervertedly WRONG interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

^^^^
Shit post.
1.00 dollar fine.

[Th'Pusher]

^^^^
Shit post.
1.00 dollar fine.
What's wrong with using tax policy to deter gun ownership? Is it unconstitutional? Honest question.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oz's very positive experience with fewer guns after the Tasmanian massacre

http://mic.com/articles/123049/19-years-after-passing-strict-gun-control-laws-here-s-what-happened-in-australia
Table 1 Victims of selected violent crimes, 1996–2012 (n)

Homicidea
Assaultb
Sexual assault
Robberyc
Kidnapping/abduction


1996
354
114,156
14,542
16,372
478


1997
364
124,500
14,353
21,305
564


1998
334
130,903
14,689
23,801
707


1999
385
134,271
14,699
22,606
766


2000
362
138,708
16,406
23,336
695


2001
347
152,283
17,577
26,591
767


2002
366
160,118
18,718
20,989
706


2003
341
157,280
18,025
19,709
696


2004
302
156,849
19,171
16,513
768


2005
301
166,507
18,695
17,176
729


2006
321
172,441
19,555
17,375
726


2007
283
176,077
19,954
17,996
733


2008
293
170,720
19,992
16,513
788


2009
293
175,277
18,807
15,238
564


2010
261
171,083
18,027
14,631
608


2011
276
117,992
17,592
13,653
675


2012
297
116,105
18,153
13,155
636

[TheSanityAnnex]

What's wrong with using tax policy to deter gun ownership? Is it unconstitutional? Honest question.

It's funny even m>s sees the racism in it.

[Th'Pusher]

It's funny even m>s sees the racism in it.

How is taxing gun ownership racist? Are sin taxes racist?

If anything, I'd think it unconstitutional if Americans have a fundamental right to own a gun. If that's the case, I'd equate it to a poll tax. Still, the heller decision acknowledged there can be restrictions to gun ownership. Is a tax on gun ownership a legitimate restriction?

[Th'Pusher]

Don't they have a stamp tax on automatic weapons? If that's not unconstitutional, could you apply the same to all gun ownership?

[Blizzardwizard]

Homicidea
Assaultb
Sexual assault
Robberyc
Kidnapping/abduction


1996
354
114,156
14,542
16,372
478


1997
364
124,500
14,353
21,305
564


1998
334
130,903
14,689
23,801
707


1999
385
134,271
14,699
22,606
766


2000
362
138,708
16,406
23,336
695


2001
347
152,283
17,577
26,591
767


2002
366
160,118
18,718
20,989
706


2003
341
157,280
18,025
19,709
696


2004
302
156,849
19,171
16,513
768


2005
301
166,507
18,695
17,176
729


2006
321
172,441
19,555
17,375
726


2007
283
176,077
19,954
17,996
733


2008
293
170,720
19,992
16,513
788


2009
293
175,277
18,807
15,238
564


2010
261
171,083
18,027
14,631
608


2011
276
117,992
17,592
13,653
675


2012
297
116,105
18,153
13,155
636




http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_austr alia_s_laws_provide_a.html

[ChumpDumper]

Table 1 Victims of selected violent crimes, 1996–2012 (n)

Homicidea
Assaultb
Sexual assault
Robberyc
Kidnapping/abduction


1996
354
114,156
14,542
16,372
478


1997
364
124,500
14,353
21,305
564


1998
334
130,903
14,689
23,801
707


1999
385
134,271
14,699
22,606
766


2000
362
138,708
16,406
23,336
695


2001
347
152,283
17,577
26,591
767


2002
366
160,118
18,718
20,989
706


2003
341
157,280
18,025
19,709
696


2004
302
156,849
19,171
16,513
768


2005
301
166,507
18,695
17,176
729


2006
321
172,441
19,555
17,375
726


2007
283
176,077
19,954
17,996
733


2008
293
170,720
19,992
16,513
788


2009
293
175,277
18,807
15,238
564


2010
261
171,083
18,027
14,631
608


2011
276
117,992
17,592
13,653
675


2012
297
116,105
18,153
13,155
636

Do you have the stats for mass gun homicides, all gun homicides and gun suicides in that period?

[m>s]

If they really want a gun, they can find the money, like they do for cars, gas, whores, drugs, cable TV, dick hardener, cellphones, eat-out meals. So fuck that bullshit excuse. and fuck your pervertedly WRONG interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.no morherfucker, if we're taxing my gun rights then we are taxing your hate speech

[Harry Callahan]

where the does the Constitution block any of that?

and add 25% Federal sales tax at retail on guns and ammo

The expense of the potential programs would violate the constitutional right of people with limited financial means to protect their constitutionally guaranteed (individual) 2nd A right. That, in my opinion, would be the ultimate outcome of the inevitable lawsuits / court appeals. Of course, the legislative and executive branches would have to pass laws of this nature (taxation, registration, potential confiscation). This would be dangerous to the political futures of the anti 2nd A folks as well.

[Harry Callahan]

no morherfucker, if we're taxing my gun rights then we are taxing your hate speech

m>s - Why does BD get so angry in his posts? Mayby he should be put on the NICS prohibited list. C'mon BD, just stick to "You Lie" instead of going totally blue in your posts- that's less inflammatory. After all, this is a big happy Spurs family here. Go Spurs Go.

By the way, by your logic BD, a poll tax really might work as well, right.

A car is not a right BTW. There is no right to transportation in the constitution.

[m>s]

Top kek maybe this is why britcucks aren't allowed town weapons not even knives

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-born-gunman-chris-harper-6558370

[Clipper Nation]

The death toll in a knife attack orchestrated by alleged “separatists” at a coal mine in northwestern China’s troubled Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region has climbed to at least 50 people—including five police officers—with as many as 50 injured, according to local security officials who say nine suspects are on the run.

The attack occurred on Sept. 18, when a group of knife-wielding suspects set upon security guards at the gate of the Sogan Colliery in Aksu (in Chinese, Akesu) prefecture’s Bay (Baicheng) county, before targeting the mine owner’s residence and a dormitory for workers.

When police officers arrived at the mine in Terek township to control the situation, the attackers rammed their vehicles using trucks loaded down with coal, sources said.

Three sources, including a ruling Communist Party cadre from a local township government, told RFA’s Uyghur Service in recent days that at least 50 people were killed and as many as 50 injured in the attack—with most casualties suffered by the mine’s largely majority Han Chinese workers.

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/attack-09302015174319.html

Ban all knives!

[boutons_deux]

The expense of the potential programs would violate the constitutional right of people with limited financial means to protect their constitutionally guaranteed (individual) 2nd A right.

"undue burden" how many of these poor people who can't afford the fees, IDs, etc already have afforded guns, maybe multiple guns?

So the Constitution will be raped again by you gun fellators on behalf of gun industry profits so the poorest of the poor can buy guns but there's no Constitutional guarantee that these same poorest of the poor have right to food, shelter, clothing.

iow, guns are the SUPREME right in the NRA/GOA/gun fellatin sicko fantasy universe, trumping all other rights?

[m>s]

I just wish you'd drop your mask completely and come try to take my guns. America is on a collision course and I for one am ready to deal with any and all threats to my security and livelihood. Keep on pestering, your wishes are going to come true. Keep whitewashing those pictures of black shooters. Keep talking your fucking shit.

[Blizzardwizard]

I just wish you'd drop your mask completely and come try to take my guns. America is on a collision course and I for one am ready to deal with any and all threats to my security and livelihood. Keep on pestering, your wishes are going to come true. Keep whitewashing those pictures of black shooters. Keep talking your fucking shit.

But I thought you were on the ground in Europe?

[boutons_deux]

2nd Amendment? G M A F B you duped, lied-to jerkoffs have no clue

The NRA’s profit soars as deaths from gun massacres mount

The Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Connecticut almost three years ago did nothing to restrict access to guns, as the students of Umpqua Community College in Oregon learned to their cost yesterday.

But it did a huge amount for the National Rifle Association.

As the rest of America mourns yet another murderous gun spree on campus, a review of financial filings shows just how far the mammoth gun organization has been able to cash in, big time, on the fallout that followed Sandy Hook in December 2012.



Membership dues jumped as supporters rallied to the cause. So did profits. And executive pay ran into the millions. Not bad for a charity that is exempt from taxes.
Yesterday’s college slaughter in Oregon, which left at least 10 dead (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gunman-at-oregon-college-kills-at-least-9-wounds-others-2015-10-02), was the 142nd shooting incident in a school or college since Sandy Hook. As there have been only over 1,000 days during that period, this means there’s been a shooting in an American school or college about once a week.

The debate about gun control produced no concrete action. But it did shake up gun supporters, who rushed out to buy more weapons and sent more money to the NRA. They were already in a panic after President Obama got re-elected.

Gun makers such as Sturm, Ruger RGR, -1.76% (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/rgr?mod=MW_story_quote) and Smith & Wesson SWHC, -0.18% (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/swhc?mod=MW_story_quote) saw a surge in sales.

The most fanatical gun supporters saw the incident as a call to arms — literally.

NRA membership dues skyrocketed by a staggering 62% in the year after Sandy Hook, from $108 million to $176 million. Total revenue in 2013 hit a third of a billion dollars.
As a result, the massive organization saw profits — excuse me, “surpluses” — rocket 2,750% to $57 million.

Of course, that’s before taxes. But, then, it didn’t pay any taxes, for it is a nonprofit charity.

The NRA estimates it was also helped by 150,000 volunteers. How many corporations could boast as much?

The NRA top executives shared that year in a treasure chest of more than $8 million in salary, bonuses, nontaxable benefits, deferred pay and other compensation — a nice payout for an organization that enjoys charitable exemption from U.S. taxes. LaPierre alone made a million bucks a year, which is, ironically, equal to about $100 for every man, woman and child murdered with a gun in America.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-nras-profit-soars-as-deaths-from-gun-massacres-mount-2015-10-02

[boutons_deux]

In America, more preschoolers are shot dead each year (82 in 2013) than police officers are in the line of duty (27 in 2013), according to figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-a-new-way-to-tackle-gun-deaths.html

[m>s]

Muh chilluns.

But you don't care about the thousands of white children killed by violent apes. You and cuck boy don't care about the 10,000 white British kids abused in Rotherham by "Asian" immigrants. Literally fuck off.

[RandomGuy]

Table 1 Victims of selected violent crimes, 1996–2012 (n)

Homicidea
Assaultb
Sexual assault
Robberyc
Kidnapping/abduction


1996
354
114,156
14,542
16,372
478


1997
364
124,500
14,353
21,305
564


1998
334
130,903
14,689
23,801
707


1999
385
134,271
14,699
22,606
766


2000
362
138,708
16,406
23,336
695


2001
347
152,283
17,577
26,591
767


2002
366
160,118
18,718
20,989
706


2003
341
157,280
18,025
19,709
696


2004
302
156,849
19,171
16,513
768


2005
301
166,507
18,695
17,176
729


2006
321
172,441
19,555
17,375
726


2007
283
176,077
19,954
17,996
733


2008
293
170,720
19,992
16,513
788


2009
293
175,277
18,807
15,238
564


2010
261
171,083
18,027
14,631
608


2011
276
117,992
17,592
13,653
675


2012
297
116,105
18,153
13,155
636



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Have to be a bit better as establishing causality. One graph out of context doesn't do that.

[RandomGuy]

I just wish you'd drop your mask completely and come try to take my guns. America is on a collision course and I for one am ready to deal with any and all threats to my security and livelihood. Keep on pestering, your wishes are going to come true. Keep whitewashing those pictures of black shooters. Keep talking your fucking shit.

You going to go down to the ATF and let them know what you are thinking about that?

Maybe you will band together, and use those guns to drive them out and create a free state?

:rollin

[RandomGuy]

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/


GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2015 TOLL OF GUN VIOLENCE
Total Number of Incidents 39,783
Number of Deaths1 10,020
Number of Injuries1 20,405
Number of Children (age 0-11) Killed/Injured1 555
Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured1 1,989
Mass Shooting2 265
Officer Involved Shooting2 3,351
Home Invasion2 1,706
Defensive Use2 910
Accidental Shooting2 1,404
Gun violence incidents collected/validated from 1200+ sources daily – source links on each incident report.

1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information
collected and will not add to 100% of incidents.

www.gunviolencearchive.org www.facebook.com/gunviolencearchive

Data Validated: October 04, 2015

Fwiw.

[RandomGuy]

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MKad9jau-rab5grviMR60-CnnAo=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4118530/gun_homicides_per_capita__1_.0.jpg

Guns don't kill people.

They just make it a lot easier for crazy and evil people to kill lots of other people.

[m>s]

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MKad9jau-rab5grviMR60-CnnAo=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4118530/gun_homicides_per_capita__1_.0.jpg

Guns don't kill people.

They just make it a lot easier for crazy and evil people to kill lots of other people.

you're also comparing a bunch of white countries to a black and mexican one. it ain't all apples and apples. where's congo and somalia on the list.

[ducks]

Cars are used for transportation. Guns are used to maim and kill. Seriously? That is your argument?

Guns are used to provide protection and food

[m>s]

Guns don't kill people.

They just make it a lot easier for crazy and evil people to kill lots of other people.

the knife guy in china made all these guys kill counts look like weak sauce

[Spurminator]

Guns are used to provide protection and food

Protection from other guns.

LOL food.

[boutons_deux]

Fox News host: People in Australia ‘have no freedom’ because hate speech and guns are regulated


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/fox-news-host-people-in-australia-have-no-freedom-because-hate-speech-and-guns-are-regulated/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

In the hours following a violent rampage in southwestern Oregon in which a lone attacker killed nine individuals and seriously injured seven others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Thursday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place.

“This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Ohio resident Lindsay Bennett, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations.

“It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.”

At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past six years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51444

[boutons_deux]

#MemeOfTheWeek: That Article From The Onion About Mass Shootings

The facts and dates surrounding the particular shooting change each time the story is republished, but key lines remain:



...citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded... that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place.
"This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them," said _______ resident ________, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world's deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations.
At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as "helpless."


The article's been shared thousands of times on social media, and some on Twitter have taken notice of the piece's repackaging:

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/03/445266632/-memeoftheweek-that-article-from-the-onion-about-mass-shootings?sc=17&f=1019&utm_source=iosnewsapp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=app

[Koolaid_Man]

Guns killed more Americans in 12 years than AIDS, war, and illegal drug overdoses combined

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism

2nd Amendment, bitches! :lol


I think you're awesome boutons....I like what you bring to the table politically but I just have to ask....not trying to sound condescending or anything but what would you do if someone broke into your house...and you heard them....would you just run outside jump the fence and yell back: You can keep it the house is yours" :lol

[boutons_deux]

Armed Vet Destroys Gun Nuts’ Argument on Mass Shooters By Explaining Why He Didn’t Attack Oregon Killer

veteran John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.

Saying he does conceal carry in case “I’m in close proximity” to an incident where he might try to save some lives,

Conservative commentators — none of whom were caught up in the panic and confusion at the college campus — have complained that the school’s “gun-free” designation drew the shooter there and that a “good guy with a gun” could have stopped him.

“Luckily we made the choice not to get involved,” he explained. “We were quite a distance away from the building where this was happening.

And we could have opened ourselves up to be potential targets ourselves, and not knowing where SWAT was, their response time, they wouldn’t know who we were.

And if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think that we were bad guys.”

Parker noted that he was hustled into a classroom with other students by a professor who asked if anyone was armed. He said he raised his hand and said he would attempt to protect his fellow students if they came under attack.

http://www.alternet.org/culture/armed-vet-destroys-gun-nuts-argument-mass-shooters-explaining-why-he-didnt-attack-oregon

[ducks]

Protection from other guns.

LOL food.grew up eating elk and deer for meet

[m>s]

Protection from other guns.

LOL food.
um no, a male assailant could easily overpower an unarmed female. or a larger male could overpower and rob another male. or they could rob you as a group. or rob you with a knife, or beat you with a blunt object. quit acting like there isn't a need for guns for self protection. this is a violent country with a large subhuman underclass who hates the so called "white people" or anyone who is successful really. take away the gun and the violent intentions are still there.

[pgardn]

grew up eating elk and deer for meet

On a Sunday "go to meeting" Bun?

[Spurminator]

grew up eating elk and deer for meet

You didn't have to.

[Splits]

You didn't have to.

Maybe he's a Kaczynski...

[spurraider21]

just read through booboo's proposed laws a few pages ago... destroying every confiscated gun is woefully inefficient

[boutons_deux]

just read through booboo's proposed laws a few pages ago... destroying every confiscated gun is woefully inefficient


Your alternative?

[spurraider21]

Your alternative?
not destroying every confiscated gun

confiscate the weapon, and LEGALLY reintroduce it into circulation with the same regulations/restrictions as a brand new gun

i'm fine with a lot of the other provisions you stated. just makes no sense to destroy everything you confiscate. it's throwing money down the drain. would you also destroy a car if it was purchased illegally? burn down a home if it was acquired illegally? etc

[boutons_deux]

not destroying every confiscated gun

confiscate the weapon, and LEGALLY reintroduce it into circulation with the same regulations/restrictions as a brand new gun

i'm fine with a lot of the other provisions you stated. just makes no sense to destroy everything you confiscate. it's throwing money down the drain. would you also destroy a car if it was purchased illegally? burn down a home if it was acquired illegally? etc

the stratagy is reduce the extreme high level of guns circulating in USA, NOT to keep them circulating. And reduce the guns in the possession of Bad Guys with extremely stringent regulations.

If a Good Guy can't meet the stringent regulations, he can't get a gun, or keep his guns.

throwing guns down the drain is the objective.

A car exists to provide transportation, a home to provide shelter, a gun exists to kill stuff. you and your analogies suck.

[boutons_deux]

John Oliver Takes on the Pro-Gun 'Mental Health' Hypocrisy

John Oliver took this defensive approach to task. “The aftermath of a mass shooting might actually be the worst time to talk about mental health,” said Oliver. “Because, for the record, the vast majority of mentally ill people are non-violent. And the vast majority of gun violence is committed by non-mentally ill people. In fact, mentally ill people are far likelier to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrators.”

Oliver then tackled the policies surrounding mental health, breaking down how congress has failed to fund the problem which has resulted in millions of mentally ill people behind bars. “If we’re going to constantly use mentally ill people to dodge conversations about gun control, then the very least we owe them is a fucking plan,” said Oliver.

http://www.alternet.org/video/watch-john-oliver-takes-pro-gun-mental-health-hypocrisy

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_austr alia_s_laws_provide_a.html

Except Australia has had mass shootings since 1996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mass_murders

[boutons_deux]

Except Australia has had mass shootings since 1996

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mass_murders

the mass shootings for a few dozen dead/years account for only tiny amount of 30K annual gun deaths, but are hyped all of proportion by the advertizing-chasing, mass-shooting-promoting media.

[spurraider21]

the stratagy is reduce the extreme high level of guns circulating in USA, NOT to keep them circulating. And reduce the guns in the possession of Bad Guys with extremely stringent regulations.

If a Good Guy can't meet the stringent regulations, he can't get a gun, or keep his guns.

throwing guns down the drain is the objective.

A car exists to provide transportation, a home to provide shelter, a gun exists to kill stuff. you and your analogies suck.
Guns also serve purposes that aren't against the law