Greatest rapper ever?

[Thebesteva]

2pac obviously, but who you got?

[Kool Bob Love]

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[Thebesteva]

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[spurraider21]

excellent NBA thread

[HarlemHeat37]

Claiming there's a "greatest" doesn't really make any sense since it's all subjective and there's no consensus criteria, tbh..2Pac was appealing due to his emotions and delivery, but he was pretty mediocre as an actual rapper, for example..

It's a list of your favorite rappers, essentially..

[Clipper Nation]

Rakim, with Big L as a close second.

/thread
/Pinoy Nurse's takes

[Kool Bob Love]

excellent NBA thread


http://youtu.be/OdLSZKaFi4s

[Thebesteva]

excellent NBA thread

Oh I'm so sorry...did i interrupt all the intense pre season talk? Go BBQ those kabobs u faggot

[Thebesteva]

Claiming there's a "greatest" doesn't really make any sense since it's all subjective and there's no consensus criteria, tbh..2Pac was appealing due to his emotions and delivery, but he was pretty mediocre as an actual rapper, for example..

It's a list of your favorite rappers, essentially..

Oh...is it subjective on stating MJ is the GOAT? apparently not

[HarlemHeat37]

Oh...is it subjective on stating MJ is the GOAT? apparently not

:lol you can use stats, accomplishments, accolades, etc to rank sports figures..

There's no criteria for ranking rappers..some local rapper that nobody knows is probably a better lyricist than 2pac, for example..there's no random guy on the streets that has better basketball skills than DK:lol..

[Sean Cagney]

Nasir Jones IMO, Pac was great though obviously.
Rakim, with Big L as a close second.

/thread
/Pinoy Nurse's takesRakim was pretty fucking nice, listening to his old shit the other week. Kane was raw too (No Pun)

[Thebesteva]

:lol you can use stats, accomplishments, accolades, etc to rank sports figures..

There's no criteria for ranking rappers..some local rapper that nobody knows is probably a better lyricist than 2pac, for example..there's no random guy on the streets that has better basketball skills than DK:lol..

The overall consensus is that the top rappers are either Pac, Biggie, and Rakim

[313]

Lol @ Pac being even a top 10 rapper all time. Nigga wasn't even the best of his generation, and I don't even fw dusty ass 90s rap like that.

[Killakobe81]

Nas, Pac, biggie, Jay, Rakim, Kanye, Wayne, Drake all could have cases made ...but I think Em and Andre 3000 are probably my faves. Not a fan of wayne or drake but you cant deny their talent.

[teddygreen]

Redman. Very Underrated...

http://pressrewind.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/redman_source1192.jpg

[DeRozan m8]

Eminem
Hopsin
Dre for one album

[Killakobe81]

Eminem
Hopsin
Dre for one album

I know Hopsin ... Went to school with his older brothers. I ran track with one and hooped with the other ... Crazy that lil nigg would even be in this convo. I need to listen to more of his stuff. I thought he had skills but not sure I would put him this class maybe I am wrong ...

I also and a big 'ye fan. he is weird. and after Dark twisted I cant say he is as consistent but I think he and Andre 3000 in his prime were best as having message rap that was still fire still a hit but also displaying skills. West though cant flow like 3000, Em or even Hopsin.

[baseline bum]

Rakim

[lebomb]

There probably is no overall greatest. Its like asking who is the greatest basketball player of all time.......MJ would probably be tops, but you will get different arguments. I would say PAC had the most powerful delivery, Eminem is up there, as well as Biggie. But different styles made alot of them great.......I loved the way UGK had that southern playah swag. I loved the way Bone Thugs had that herky jerky style of rapping. Snoop with his smooth gangtah flow. It goes on and on. So basically there is not truly greatest rapper ever.

[Killakobe81]

There probably is no overall greatest. Its like asking who is the greatest basketball player of all time.......MJ would probably be tops, but you will get different arguments. I would say PAC had the most powerful delivery, Eminem is up there, as well as Biggie. But different styles made alot of them great.......I loved the way UGK had that southern playah swag. I loved the way Bone Thugs had that herky jerky style of rapping. Snoop with his smooth gangtah flow. It goes on and on. So basically there is not truly greatest rapper ever.

I hear ya as Harlem said it's just personal prefrence. But I dont like strip club rap or just punchline rap that has no meaning no message. It may have a good beat or "go hard" but if it doesnt have layers I cant mess with it.

Other guys that desrve mentions QTip, Common, Mos, Lupe, Black Thought, Kendrick, JCole Talib K, Scarface, TI, Goodie Mobb, De La, BDK, KRS1, Snoop, DMx, Jadakiss

[benefactor]

:lol Tupac
:lol TMZ fanboy take

I'm biased towards the south, so I'll go with Scarface.

[Killakobe81]

kirbys victim, her rap game.....so far kirby hasnt replied back any bars yet

Yo that "bar" was softer than Macklemore verse ...please, step yo game up.

[Bynumite]

:lol you can use stats, accomplishments, accolades, etc to rank sports figures..

There's no criteria for ranking rappers..some local rapper that nobody knows is probably a better lyricist than 2pac, for example..there's no random guy on the streets that has better basketball skills than DK:lol..

Well, Pac has multiple classic albums. Your boy Drake is hot garbage and has yet to drop a classic album even with the help of ghostwriters :lmao

By the way, being a great lyricist=/=being a great rap artist. Can the great lyricist put a song together the way 2Pac did? Obviously not.

[MultiTroll]

Spurztawk Hardkowr Rapper

B-Rad Gluckman

[Trill Clinton]

toss up between froggy fresh or slim jesus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Omtvdfh2U



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRo48zg2iyU

[RsxPiimp]

Wrex and Effects


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKKONgfNONU

tone loc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUNZUvjZX8

[Clipper Nation]

I never understood the appeal of Tupac, tbh. His beats were consistently lame, his delivery/cadence was like nails on a chalkboard, and his militant political schtick was ripped off from Public Enemy (who did it better). He was still a million times better than that faggot Drake, but that's a pretty low bar. Still, I don't see how people could listen to Rakim, Big L, prime Nas, Wu-Tang, etc. and still rank Tupac as the greatest of his generation, let alone all-time.

[Clipper Nation]

Eminem
Hopsin
Dre for one album
Seriously? Eminem built his career off of biting from good rappers like Pharaohe Monche, Masta Ace, AZ, Nas, and Pacewon. And Hopsin is a ripoff of Eminem, making him a biter of a biter.

[Splits]

toss up between froggy fresh or slim jesus


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Omtvdfh2U



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRo48zg2iyU

:lmao

[clambake]

weird al yankovic

[Bynumite]

I never understood the appeal of Tupac, tbh. His beats were consistently lame, his delivery/cadence was like nails on a chalkboard, and his militant political schtick was ripped off from Public Enemy (who did it better). He was still a million times better than that faggot Drake, but that's a pretty low bar. Still, I don't see how people could listen to Rakim, Big L, prime Nas, Wu-Tang, etc. and still rank Tupac as the greatest of his generation, let alone all-time.

Wu Tang :lol You're such a gook geek, it ain't even funny.

[Killakobe81]

Wu Tang :lol You're such a gook geek, it ain't even funny.

wu was popular with asian kids ...but i loved them too. enter the 36 and only built for cuban linx are classics. triumph was also an anthem.

[The Gemini Method]

wu was popular with asian kids ...but i loved them too. enter the 36 and only built for cuban linx are classics. triumph was also an anthem. Don't forget Liquid Swords!

[Infinite_limit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtxoTjqNf0

[ambchang]

2Pac, Jay-Z, Outkast (Dre mostly), Rakim, Public Enemy ... in that order.

Drake is trash.

[Clipper Nation]

wu was popular with asian kids ...but i loved them too. enter the 36 and only built for cuban linx are classics. triumph was also an anthem.
Triumph was a classic. How many six-minute-long tracks without any hook at all get on the radio? Plus the full video got played on MTV at a time when people still cared about music videos, despite being five minutes longer than their audience's attention span.

[Killakobe81]

Don't forget Liquid Swords!

No doubt ... shadowboxin', Labels, classic hip hop

[Thebesteva]

I never understood the appeal of Tupac, tbh. His beats were consistently lame, his delivery/cadence was like nails on a chalkboard, and his militant political schtick was ripped off from Public Enemy (who did it better). He was still a million times better than that faggot Drake, but that's a pretty low bar. Still, I don't see how people could listen to Rakim, Big L, prime Nas, Wu-Tang, etc. and still rank Tupac as the greatest of his generation, let alone all-time.

It's hard to see greatness when your eyes are slanted

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, Pac has multiple classic albums. Your boy Drake is hot garbage and has yet to drop a classic album even with the help of ghostwriters :lmao

By the way, being a great lyricist=/=being a great rap artist. Can the great lyricist put a song together the way 2Pac did? Obviously not.

Drake is one of the most innovative and creative rappers in music history, tbh..it's usually people in their 30s and 40s that dislike him, along with insecure men IMO..

I like 2Pac, but he had 1 great album and was a mediocre rapper from a lyrical/creativity standpoint..his passion and emotion was his best feature, which is why I like him, but his actual music wasn't that great..he was pushing his Black Panther shit in an era where niggas were just making music, rather than making political statements, which helped him stand out and resonate with fans..

[HarlemHeat37]

The West Coast has the shittiest rap music of all-time, tbh:lol..it's been absolute trash since about 1993..

[Bynumite]

Drake is one of the most innovative and creative rappers in music history, tbh..it's usually people in their 30s and 40s that dislike him, along with insecure men IMO..

I like 2Pac, but he had 1 great album and was a mediocre rapper from a lyrical/creativity standpoint..his passion and emotion was his best feature, which is why I like him, but his actual music wasn't that great..

You're entitled to be wrong.

This song alone>Drake's entire discography:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1LXb8RAOtA

[HarlemHeat37]

Ugh, had to restart my laptop after clicking play on that trash song, tbh:lol..

[Bynumite]

Ugh, had to restart my laptop after clicking play on that trash song, tbh:lol..

Your boy Drake wishes his ghostwriters could have written that song for him :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry5_RntBSO4

[DeRozan m8]

Seriously? Eminem built his career off of biting from good rappers like Pharaohe Monche, Masta Ace, AZ, Nas, and Pacewon. And Hopsin is a ripoff of Eminem, making him a biter of a biter.

Yeah, i realize I like what a lot of hiphop dudes consider garbage hahah
Im more into metalcore and shit so its not like im a pro in the rap area

[Arcadian]

none, they all suck

[DeRozan m8]

I know Hopsin ... Went to school with his older brothers. I ran track with one and hooped with the other ... Crazy that lil nigg would even be in this convo. I need to listen to more of his stuff. I thought he had skills but not sure I would put him this class maybe I am wrong ....

Hahha thats sick man.

Hop has a fair following in Australia, his latest album is his most consistent work but he's does have a lot of good tracks....just a few crap ones also.

Rate him highly but

[Down Under]

Corny lyrics which are written by a record company obviously makes a bad rapper. But any upper middle class rappers, like kanye, talking about how great they are, are obviously garbage as well because there is no substance to what he is writing about. 2Pac as a composer obviously wasn't the best, but his lyrics had a message, as well as his emotion in the rapping, made his music of real substance.

[LakasRool4eva]

Eminem is the greatest lyricologist of are times.......................

[Down Under]

Marshall Mathers & Slim Shady were good apart from the pop songs. The rest of his stuff is obviously written to make money as pop music. Outkast Aquemini, Snoop's Doggystyle are good. Other multisyllabic stuff like blackalicious & alternative rap like the roots & Jurassic 5 have some pretty good stuff too.

[313]

Well, Pac has multiple classic albums. Your boy Drake is hot garbage and has yet to drop a classic album even with the help of ghostwriters :lmao

By the way, being a great lyricist=/=being a great rap artist. Can the great lyricist put a song together the way 2Pac did? Obviously not.
Have you listened to Pac albums? :lmao Full of shite fillers

[Killakobe81]

The West Coast has the shittiest rap music of all-time, tbh:lol..it's been absolute trash since about 1993..

You aint from there so you dont get it. tha Liks, Snoop, DJquik, Nate Dogg, Tha Dog Pound, Ras Kass xzibit, WC, Cube all put out quality music. I love hip hop from all sides. Wasnt a fan of much of the Southern the chop and screwed or strip club rap (which Drake does sometimes as well) .... but Outkast and Goodie mobb, scarface and Luda.

Drake is talented but not so innovative imho ...he borrowed so much from Wayne, the south hyfy rap ...

Pretty dismissive for you to hate on westcoat rap "since '93" ...and complete bullshit.

[Killakobe81]

Corny lyrics which are written by a record company obviously makes a bad rapper. But any upper middle class rappers, like kanye, talking about how great they are, are obviously garbage as well because there is no substance to what he is writing about. 2Pac as a composer obviously wasn't the best, but his lyrics had a message, as well as his emotion in the rapping, made his music of real substance.

Kanye has party songs but if you listen to his albulms he has plenty to say ...even his hits:

Golddigger, Jesus Walks, Diamonds from sierra Leone, Runaway are all deep if you get by the catchy beats and hooks.

[benefactor]

:lol Pain...Pac was doing that same shit on Me Against the World. It Ain't Easy could've been Pain with a different groove.

Scarface>>>Pac lyrically. It's not close at all.

[313]

2Pac, Jay-Z, Outkast (Dre mostly), Rakim, Public Enemy ... in that order.

Drake is trash.
Big Boi is arguably better than Dre tbh

lol at Drake hate, it's not 2009

[Kool Bob Love]

Your boy Drake wishes his ghostwriters could have written that song for him :lmao


shut his dumbass up real quick.:lol

[313]

You aint from there so you dont get it. tha Liks, Snoop, DJquik, Nate Dogg, Tha Dog Pound, Ras Kass xzibit, WC, Cube all put out quality music. I love hip hop from all sides. Wasnt a fan of much of the Southern the chop and screwed or strip club rap (which Drake does sometimes as well) .... but Outkast and Goodie mobb, scarface and Luda.

Drake is talented but not so innovative imho ...he borrowed so much from Wayne, the south hyfy rap ...

Pretty dismissive for you to hate on westcoat rap "since '93" ...and complete bullshit.Drake bites from a lot of people but he's so good no one cares

[benefactor]

If you want to talk about one full album lyrically, Twista's Adrenaline Rush is probably top three.

[benefactor]

Big Boi is arguably better than Dre tbh

lol at Drake hate, it's not 2009
They are the perfect pairing tbh...like MJG and Eightball.

[Killakobe81]

Big Boi is arguably better than Dre tbh

lol at Drake hate, it's not 2009

Wait what? In what sense is Big Boi even close to andre? Dont get me wrong Big boi is cooler than a Polar Bear's toenails ... he dropped this:
Well it's the M - I - crooked letter, ain't no one better
And when I'm on the microphone you best to wear your sweater
Cause I'm cooler than a polar bear's toenails
Oh hell, there he go again talking that shit
Bend, corner's like I was a curve, I struck a nerve
And now you bout to see this Southern player serve
I heard it's not where you're from but where you pay rent
Then I heard it's not what you make but how much you spent
You got me bent like elbows, amongst other things, but I'm not worried
Cause when we step up in the party, like I'm out-you-scurry
So go get your fuckin' shine box, and your sack of nickles
It tickles to see you try to be like Mr. Pickles
Daddy fat sacks, B-I-G B-O-I
It's that same motherfucker that took them knuckles to your eye
And I try, to warn you not to test but you don't listen
Giving the shout out to my Uncle Donnel locked up in prison
but when Dre dropped ...

Now, my oral illustration be like clitoral stimulation
To the female gender, ain't nothin better
Let me know when it's wet enough to enter
If not I'll wait, because the future of the world depends on
If or if not the child we raise gon' have that nigga syndrome
Or will it know to be the hard regardless of the skintone
I really feel that if we tune it, it just might get picked on
Or will it give a fuck about what others say and get gone
The alienators cause we different keep your hands to the sky
Like Sounds of Blackness when I practice what a preach ain't no lie
I'll be the baker and the maker of the piece of my pie
Now breaker, breaker 10-4 can I get some reply?

this was one verse later it's like Nas said "you got murdered on yo own shit!!! I like Big Boi his but he has not had one verse on his resume that can fuck with 3000 on Atliens. But as someone else said they balanced each other out well.

[benefactor]

I would say Dre is the king of the single verse. That man had some shit that would just come out of nowhere and have you shaking your head.

[benefactor]

Btw...MJG and Eightball>Outkast. I'll argue that shit to my fucking grave.

[Bynumite]

Have you listened to Pac albums? :lmao Full of shite fillers

Very few albums you can actually listen to from beginning to end without skipping and at the pace Pac was releasing albums it was almost impossible to have no fillers.

All Eyez On Me is guilty of that being a double album and all.

[Killakobe81]

Btw...MJG and Eightball>Outkast. I'll argue that shit to my fucking grave.

Love dem memphis niggs but cant co-sign that. when it comes to true duos it's


1. Outkast
2. Qtip and Fife
3. EPMD
4. Eightball & MJG
5. UGK
6. Kurrupt & Daz

im probably forgetting some but that's my list for now

[Bynumite]

:lol Pain...Pac was doing that same shit on Me Against the World. It Ain't Easy could've been Pain with a different groove.

Scarface>>>Pac lyrically. It's not close at all.

What rapper uses a different subject matter in all his songs?

[Blizzardwizard]

Notorious B.I.G. or Nate Dogg, with Warren G as an underrated front runner.

[benefactor]

What rapper uses a different subject matter in all his songs?
There's a difference between different subject matter and saying the exact same shit over and over. I would say anything past Me Against the World was Pac living on his delivery and his voice, not his lyrics. He's the Pimp C of the West Coast.

[benefactor]

Love dem memphis niggs but cant co-sign that. when it comes to true duos it's


1. Outkast
2. Qtip and Fife
3. EPMD
4. Eightball & MJG
5. UGK
6. Kurrupt & Daz

im probably forgetting some but that's my list for now
Well my south bias is always going to show. Can't place EPMD near Outkast or Ball & G. I'm not going to be mad at someone that says Outkast is better, but if you take the whole catalog with beats, lyrics etc. I have to go with Ball & G.

[313]

Dre is a better artist, but I always liked Big Boi's delivery more.

Dre > Boi in Outkast

But Big Boi has the better solo career, no? Sir lucious Left foot :fire:

[8FOR!3]

Big L
Nas
Andre 3000
Lord Finesse
Wu-Tang Clan
Big Pun
Jay-Z

In no particular order, but with Big L #1. That's a personal list though, lots of greats not on it that could easily be argued over a few of those guys.

Big L could make most people listed on this thread look stupid. That guy's freestyle is better than their written rap.

[teddygreen]

Best West Coast MC is probably Ice Cube.

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[Chris]

Jay, Kanye, Wayne, Drake all could have cases made ...but I think Em and Andre 3000 are probably my faves. Not a fan of wayne or drake but you cant deny their talent.

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[Silver&Black]

You guys need to listen to my nigga benefactor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13284)

His taste in rap music is exquisite...he put in some legendary work in that 90s rap thread in The Club.

BTW....IMO....UGK > Everybody else combined

Ridin' Dirty might be the greatest rap album of all time....top 5 no doubt.

[Clipper Nation]

Drake is one of the most innovative and creative rappers in music history, tbh..it's usually people in their 30s and 40s that dislike him, along with insecure men IMO..

Sorry, man, but your boy has ghostwriters out the ass :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qdR5b1vOE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l8etEBRSVU

Drake's just lucky that Meek - despite having golden, career-ruining material to use against him - was too fucking retarded to produce even a semi-competent diss track.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's nothing wrong with having a ghost writer, tbh, most greatest artists do at some point..

[Sean Cagney]

Lol @ Pac being even a top 10 rapper all time. Nigga wasn't even the best of his generation, and I don't even fw dusty ass 90s rap like that.
As a fan of hip hop how can you not fuck with 90's rap honestly? It's a matter of preference but rap since the 90's has gotten A LOT worse. 80's fan? This era today is just the worst by far, horrible.
There's nothing wrong with having a ghost writer, tbh, most greatest artists do at some point..

Input maybe here or there or maybe for a song or two, not full albums though. Most artists who pride them selves write most of their own raps, thats why when it gets out there is a Ghost writer or you are accused of it then they get so defensive or deny it. Most great artists pen their own shit man.
Sorry, man, but your boy has ghostwriters out the ass :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qdR5b1vOE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l8etEBRSVU

Drake's just lucky that Meek - despite having golden, career-ruining material to use against him - was too fucking retarded to produce even a semi-competent diss track.

Thats what I don't get with Meek, he is a battle rapper or was and he can't even beat Drake in a battle? Drakes diss was average but better than his, that was a weak ass battle. Pathetic.

[Bynumite]

There's nothing wrong with having a ghost writer, tbh, most greatest artists do at some point..

Are you gonna post proof of that or you're just talking out of your ass?

Drake has ghostwriters and there's even a video of him reading lyrics off a cellphone during a radio freestyle.

He's basically a pop act and will never be mentioned among the all time greats. Especially when he can't make a classic album to save his life.

[Sean Cagney]

Are you gonna post proof of that or you're just talking out of your ass?

Drake has ghostwriters and there's even a video of him reading lyrics off a cellphone during a radio freestyle.

He's basically a pop act and will never be mentioned among the all time greats. Especially when he can't make a classic album to save his life.

Drake is farrrrrrrrrr from an all time great, more like a dude in a weak ass era who gets by because of that mainly. I will never put him in the top 50 rappers of all time. He is okay I guess for this era, but all times agree HELL NO.
Love dem memphis niggs but cant co-sign that. when it comes to true duos it's


1. Outkast
2. Qtip and Fife
3. EPMD
4. Eightball & MJG
5. UGK
6. Kurrupt & Daz

im probably forgetting some but that's my list for now
I personally got Mobb Deep up there from Infamous and Hell on Earth but I agree on Outkast being better than Eightball and MJG and I love them. Daz and Kurupt only had one album IMO that I really liked so I don't know if I would put them on there. I agree on Tribe and EPMD as well, UGK went hard too. That is a pretty solid list.
Don't forget Liquid Swords!

Co SIGN, don't get me stared on Wu Tang, Dirties album went hard as well as Ironman and Supreme Clientel. Wu was popular with alot more than Asian kids, they had a very diverse fan base here and in Europe etc. during their prime, most liked the Wu. They put out some great music.
Wu Tang :lol You're such a gook geek, it ain't even funny.

Yeah because Wu didn't have any classic songs.... 36 Chambers alone is a classic, they had a fan base of all colors in the 90's to be honest and their music was ridiculous during the 93-97 span. I don't care if you are a fan or not they got classics. They are still huge overseas today, loyal fan base. I remember in the 90's around 95 everyone was fuckin with Wu on the East Coast up and down, black, white and Asian etc. Like they said they were nothing to fuck with.

[spurraider21]

toss up between froggy fresh or slim jesus
respect

[Clipper Nation]

There's nothing wrong with having a ghost writer, tbh, most greatest artists do at some point..

Some probably do when they get old and stop caring, but Wheelchair Jimmy has literally built a career off of ghostwriters :lol

Canibus got clowned mercilessly for having to pull out a notebook once during a rap battle because he forgot his lines. Meanwhile, Drake is the 2015 version of Milli Vanilli, moving his lips to Quentin Miller's bars, and it's all okay :lol

[Bynumite]

Yeah because Wu didn't have any classic songs.... 36 Chambers alone is a classic, they had a fan base of all colors in the 90's to be honest and their music was ridiculous during the 93-97 span. I don't care if you are a fan or not they got classics. They are still huge overseas today, loyal fan base. I remember in the 90's around 95 everyone was fuckin with Wu on the East Coast up and down, black, white and Asian etc. Like they said they were nothing to fuck with.

I actually like the Wu Tang. I was just talking shit to the gook :lol

[Killakobe81]

Drake is farrrrrrrrrr from an all time great, more like a dude in a weak ass era who gets by because of that mainly. I will never put him in the top 50 rappers of all time. He is okay I guess for this era, but all times agree HELL NO.
I personally got Mobb Deep up there from Infamous and Hell on Earth but I agree on Outkast being better than Eightball and MJG and I love them. Daz and Kurupt only had one album IMO that I really liked so I don't know if I would put them on there. I agree on Tribe and EPMD as well, UGK went hard too. That is a pretty solid list.

Co SIGN, don't get me stared on Wu Tang, Dirties album went hard as well as Ironman and Supreme Clientel. Wu was popular with alot more than Asian kids, they had a very diverse fan base here and in Europe etc. during their prime, most liked the Wu. They put out some great music.

Yeah because Wu didn't have any classic songs.... 36 Chambers alone is a classic, they had a fan base of all colors in the 90's to be honest and their music was ridiculous during the 93-97 span. I don't care if you are a fan or not they got classics. They are still huge overseas today, loyal fan base. I remember in the 90's around 95 everyone was fuckin with Wu on the East Coast up and down, black, white and Asian etc. Like they said they were nothing to fuck with.

Forgot about mobb deep my bad easily top 5 but you sleeping on EPMD crossover still goes hard and is relevant today

[Sean Cagney]

Forgot about mobb deep my bad easily top 5 but you sleeping on EPMD crossover still goes hard and is relevant today
I agreed on EPMD, loved them. That is a great duo. Crossover is one of my fave songs ever.
I actually like the Wu Tang. I was just talking shit to the gook :lol

:lol

[Thebesteva]

First time I've seen CN and HH not be on the same page....I thought you loved Drake CN. WTF happened? That guys a major faggot tbh, he has some catchy tunes I admit but I just cant stand the dude

[HarlemHeat37]

Are you gonna post proof of that or you're just talking out of your ass?

Drake has ghostwriters and there's even a video of him reading lyrics off a cellphone during a radio freestyle.

He's basically a pop act and will never be mentioned among the all time greats. Especially when he can't make a classic album to save his life.

There's no "all-time greats" list for music:lol, and writing your own lyrics is irrelevant, too, the actual music is all that matters..if you based it on lyrical ability, the top 10 would be a bunch of underground rappers that nobody has ever heard of..

Anyways, it's all subjective and based on preference..you don't have to like Drake, but he's unquestionably the biggest rapper of this generation..he makes great, versatile music IMO..2Pac is decent, his music doesn't really hold up today, he's like 90s basketball IMO, but it's all subjective, to each their own..

To be fair, personally speaking, I have trouble listening to a lot of old rap today..I loved Jay-Z growing up in NY in my teens, but I can't really listen to a lot of it today..I liked Eminem, too, but I wouldn't be able to stomach listening to his old shit today, sounds like trash to me..

[Clipper Nation]

First time I've seen CN and HH not be on the same page....I thought you loved Drake CN. WTF happened? That guys a major faggot tbh, he has some catchy tunes I admit but I just cant stand the dude
I've never liked Drake, tbh. He's basically a pop singer who benefits from killer production and some ghostwritten rap verses.

[313]

I've never liked Drake, tbh. He's basically a pop singer who benefits from killer production and some ghostwritten rap verses.

40 production :worthy:

[Bynumite]

There's no "all-time greats" list for music:lol, and writing your own lyrics is irrelevant, too, the actual music is all that matters..if you based it on lyrical ability, the top 10 would be a bunch of underground rappers that nobody has ever heard of..

Anyways, it's all subjective and based on preference..you don't have to like Drake, but he's unquestionably the biggest rapper of this generation..he makes great, versatile music IMO..2Pac is decent, his music doesn't really hold up today, he's like 90s basketball IMO, but it's all subjective, to each their own..

To be fair, personally speaking, I have trouble listening to a lot of old rap today..I loved Jay-Z growing up in NY in my teens, but I can't really listen to a lot of it today..I liked Eminem, too, but I wouldn't be able to stomach listening to his old shit today, sounds like trash to me..

Like i've mentioned before. Being a great rap artist, it's not just about being a great lyricist. You gotta know how to put a song together. For example, go tell a battle rapper to do a hook and some would probably get lost or write some garbage. Also, there's not an objective rapper top 10 per se but based on the quality of their albums and impact there's definitely some names that will get mentioned a lot more than others.

Also, Drake's a singer, didn't write a good portion of his lyrics and doesn't freestyle. If you're still gonna call him a rapper, technically Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus are rappers too.

[ambchang]

Big Boi is arguably better than Dre tbh

lol at Drake hate, it's not 2009

Can't find one Drake song that is not a rip off from someone else's work.

[m>s]

Idk but the greatest crapper probably hails from somewhere in India where they literally shit in the street

[DAF86]

Seriously? Eminem built his career off of biting from good rappers like Pharaohe Monche, Masta Ace, AZ, Nas, and Pacewon. And Hopsin is a ripoff of Eminem, making him a biter of a biter.

How so? I thought it was established that what made Eminem so popular (besides the fact of being white and girls thinking he's hot) is the fact that he was so different from other rappers with his gooffy style and witty humour.

P/S:

Eminem
Beastie Boys
Macklemore
Vanilla Ice

[313]

Can't find one Drake song that is not a rip off from someone else's work.
lol

[Leetonidas]

I don't give a shit about anyone else's musical tastes tbh. All Eyez on Me is the greatest rap album of all-time imo


I will say though I don't know how anyone can say Kanye is even in the discussion. I like his first couple albums but half the shit he rhymes about doesn't even make sense. he has a sense of grandiosity like he's saying some deep insightful shit or making brilliant aphorisms when it really doesnt even form a coherent sentence most of the time :lol his actual music is really good though

[Leetonidas]

I also don't get why people think that their musical preferences says anything legitimate about who they are as a person or makes them cool or cultured or something anyway, to be honest.

[313]

Can't find one Drake song that is not a rip off from someone else's work.
Over My Dead Body
Club Paradise
Paris Morton Music
Dreams Money Can Buy
Marvin's Room
Say What's Real
Too Much
The Resistance
Tuscan Leather
DITE
Camera's
Legend
Connect
5 AM in Toronto
6pm in New York

Drake's discography is impeccable tbh, I don't see how you can still hate the man in 2015

[ambchang]

Over My Dead Body
Club Paradise
Paris Morton Music
Dreams Money Can Buy
Marvin's Room
Say What's Real
Too Much
The Resistance
Tuscan Leather
DITE
Camera's
Legend
Connect
5 AM in Toronto
6pm in New York

Drake's discography is impeccable tbh, I don't see how you can still hate the man in 2015

Impeccable? Are you kidding me?

He basically rips off Jay-Z and Nas, and sadly, even a bit of Will Smith.

[ambchang]

Shocked that I haven't heard Harlem and the crew talking about rappers in the 80s doesn't even know the English language, and that the 90s rappers didn't even have electricity in the studio.

[Clipper Nation]

Over My Dead Body
Club Paradise
Paris Morton Music
Dreams Money Can Buy
Marvin's Room
Say What's Real
Too Much
The Resistance
Tuscan Leather
DITE
Camera's
Legend
Connect
5 AM in Toronto
6pm in New York

Drake's discography is impeccable tbh, I don't see how you can still hate the man in 2015
Those are just the tracks where the Quentin Miller reference tracks haven't come out yet.

[313]

Impeccable? Are you kidding me?

He basically rips off Jay-Z and Nas, and sadly, even a bit of Will Smith.Sure, pick a song from that list and tell me how it resembles Jay or Nas? I'm a big fan of both btw

[313]

Those are just the tracks where the Quentin Miller reference tracks haven't come out yet.
:rolleyes

[ambchang]

Sure, pick a song from that list and tell me how it resembles Jay or Nas? I'm a big fan of both btw

it's just pure rip offs man.

[313]

it's just pure rip offs man.

How old are you? I can understand some of the older guys ITT being biased to the hiphop they grew up with, but I figured you around 20-23..

Either that or you're just a hipster and only a fan of backpack rap...which is fine of course

[SpursSerb]

Stephen Jackson aka Stak5

[Killakobe81]

How old are you? I can understand some of the older guys ITT being biased to the hiphop they grew up with, but I figured you around 20-23..

Either that or you're just a hipster and only a fan of backpack rap...which is fine of course

no way Amb is that young ...most of the forum is probably under 30 but he isnt and neither am I ...

[Kool Bob Love]

Kanye West paved the way for Drake so he's alright in my book.

[313]

no way Amb is that young ...most of the forum is probably under 30 but he isnt and neither am I ...
Really? I don't why I thought he was like college age.

[313]

Kanye West paved the way for Drake so he's alright in my book.
remember, without Drake we wouldn't have gotten WTT :worthy:

[ambchang]

How old are you? I can understand some of the older guys ITT being biased to the hiphop they grew up with, but I figured you around 20-23..

Either that or you're just a hipster and only a fan of backpack rap...which is fine of course

Never realized I am acting so immaturely here, but I can tell you I have seen magics prime, birds prime, most of Kareem's prime, the entire career of Jordan and such.

Didn't get to see wilt Russell and Oscar live but saw plenty of tapes and highlights.

[Thebesteva]

I've never liked Drake, tbh. He's basically a pop singer who benefits from killer production and some ghostwritten rap verses.

Basically...I'm not gonna deny some of his songs are catchy, but great rappers weren't catchy they were great rappers. I'm not hating on the guy because he's not hard, its because his music is for females or dudes going through break ups. It's pretty lame tbh...Chris D'Elia shitted on this guy harder than anyone


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAL_HP1yE_c

[Sean Cagney]

I don't give a shit about anyone else's musical tastes tbh. All Eyez on Me is the greatest rap album of all-time imo


I will say though I don't know how anyone can say Kanye is even in the discussion. I like his first couple albums but half the shit he rhymes about doesn't even make sense. he has a sense of grandiosity like he's saying some deep insightful shit or making brilliant aphorisms when it really doesnt even form a coherent sentence most of the time :lol his actual music is really good though

Kanye is a great artist and made some great albums but I agree, not even in the discussion of greatest of all times when it comes to an mc.

I liked All Eyez on me a lot but one of the discs had too much filler for me (Disc 2 I think), the disc with Got My Mind Made up and 2 of a Amerikaz etc., was just a flat out classic. I liked Makaveli a lot too, that was a very solid album.

[313]

Never realized I am acting so immaturely here, but I can tell you I have seen magics prime, birds prime, most of Kareem's prime, the entire career of Jordan and such.

Didn't get to see wilt Russell and Oscar live but saw plenty of tapes and highlights.
I didn't think you were immature, I just thought you were mature for your age lol

[Kool Bob Love]

I will say though I don't know how anyone can say Kanye is even in the discussion. I like his first couple albums but half the shit he rhymes about doesn't even make sense. he has a sense of grandiosity like he's saying some deep insightful shit or making brilliant aphorisms when it really doesnt even form a coherent sentence most of the time :lol his actual music is really good though

What the FUCK are you talking bout?

peep game. 2nd verse is easliy the greatest verse of this decade.


http://youtu.be/B8Uxvp1ctfA

[313]

Basically...I'm not gonna deny some of his songs are catchy, but great rappers weren't catchy they were great rappers. I'm not hating on the guy because he's not hard, its because his music is for females or dudes going through break ups. It's pretty lame tbh...Chris D'Elia shitted on this guy harder than anyone


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAL_HP1yE_c
:lol Chris D'Elia :tu

Drake mostly got that rep for Take Care just for a few songs(Marvin's room) tbh But Take Care was not an album about him crying or w/e, he had a lot of hard hitting songs on there. It was probably his best album. He's always going to have some songs where he's talking about flying out Strippers or saving hoes, but he doesn't do that the majority of the time.

Over My Dead Body Intro :worthy:
Headlines :worthy:
Crew Love :worthy:
Underground Kings :worthy:
Lord Knows (go listen to this right now actually) :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

[313]

I'm hearing all of the jokes, I know that they tryna push me (http://genius.com/434631)
I know that showin' emotion don't ever mean I'm a pussy (http://genius.com/449802)
Know that I don't make music for niggas who don't get pussy
So those are the ones I count on to diss me or overlook me (http://genius.com/435333)
Lord knows, Lord knows, I'm heavy, I got my weight up (http://genius.com/490847)
Roberson boost your rate up, (http://genius.com/449778) it's time that somebody paid up (http://genius.com/516262)
A lot of niggas came up off of a style that I made up
But if all I hear is me, then who should I be afraid of? (http://genius.com/435875)
Bought a white Ghost, now shit is gettin' spooky
Very, very scary, like shit you see in the movies (http://genius.com/434613)
In this bitch all drinks on the house like Snoopy (http://genius.com/434599)

:worthy:

[Clipper Nation]

Quentin Miller writes some nice verses sometimes, but I just can't take Wheelchair Jimmy's attempts to look tough seriously.

[313]

What the FUCK are you talking bout?

peep game. 2nd verse is easliy the greatest verse of this decade.


http://youtu.be/B8Uxvp1ctfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmw6EaTfX8g

:worthy:

[Kool Bob Love]

:worthy:


http://youtu.be/ObUzFn2HyyE

:tu

[ambchang]

I'm hearing all of the jokes, I know that they tryna push me (http://genius.com/434631)
I know that showin' emotion don't ever mean I'm a pussy (http://genius.com/449802)
Know that I don't make music for niggas who don't get pussy
So those are the ones I count on to diss me or overlook me (http://genius.com/435333)
Lord knows, Lord knows, I'm heavy, I got my weight up (http://genius.com/490847)
Roberson boost your rate up, (http://genius.com/449778) it's time that somebody paid up (http://genius.com/516262)
A lot of niggas came up off of a style that I made up
But if all I hear is me, then who should I be afraid of? (http://genius.com/435875)
Bought a white Ghost, now shit is gettin' spooky
Very, very scary, like shit you see in the movies (http://genius.com/434613)
In this bitch all drinks on the house like Snoopy (http://genius.com/434599)

:worthy:
Notice how he rhymes pussy with me, even doubling both one after the other as to remove all doubt.