Preseason: Spurs vs Hawks -- 10/14/15 -- NBATV -- 7 PM CST

[NASpurs]

Faggot Hawk fans celebrating a preseason game :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmer trying to play defense:lmao

[SPURt]

Why are the Hawks playing their starters? That's pretty petty Bud

[loveforthegame]

Give it to Ray and get out of the way.

[hater]

Mcallum >>>>> jimmer

[weeks]

thank you mccallum for stopping the bleeding

[urunobili]

Mc Callum not bad Patty sub

[313]

That was quick

[Ditty]

Come on Kyle spot up shooters like Korver are the type of offensive players you're going to go against the most when you play this season!

[Kawhitstorm]

Kyle trying to chase Korver through screen:lmao

[loveforthegame]

Boban finally.

[weeks]

oh so we're all gonna sit here and act like KA isn't having his second terrible game in a row

[Kawhitstorm]

Boban coaching up the scrubs:lol

[urunobili]

So hater... Still want Manu gone?

[313]

Jimmer's slow ass release:lmao....then Korver shows him how it's done
:lmao

At least he can tell guys at practice what the inside of Korver's wood shed looks like :lmao

[SAGirl]

Kyle costly mistakes but no matter its part of learning, made a terrific play in the end. Growing pains TBH. Atlanta wants this game hard and pressing on D.

[BillMc]

KA is going to be seriously good very soon. So impressed.

[Hoops Czar]

Lol Korver shining when nobody cares.

Felt the same way about KA in the summer league.

[Darius Bieber]

eh. The lead being gone was expected. Not really anyone's fault in particular. You have 5 guys out there who barely have played ~20 minutes together going against Atlanta's best.

[Dancelot]

Shoulda been a & 1 for boban.

[KL2]

Teams see Jimmer out there and their confidence goes up, they just keep attacking him. He's like a prime Bonner.

[TheGreatYacht]

jimmer look like sn idoot :lmao
The irony.

[Perry Mason]

So Hawks are pressing hard with starters against the Spurs' 3rd stringers. Not sure what the announcers are on about.

[ElNono]

oh so we're all gonna sit here and act like KA isn't having his second terrible game in a row
Chinook will find a way to spin it :lol

[SuperCam]

none of these scrubs would get a minute on the cavs, tbh

[NASpurs]

Why is Manu even playing?

[TheGreatYacht]

I seriously think Ndoye is more useless than Atkins from the summer league

[NASpurs]

Pop is going to cut Ray after that shit :lol

[SPURt]

Ray giving Jimmer hope

[Kawhitstorm]

Noyde in, game over:downspin:

[weeks]

ray :bang

[SAGirl]

Ray! :lmao

[ElNono]

Why is Manu even playing?

getting in shape

[Nathan89]

He just joined the short bus

[TheDoctor]

Ray Mc with the Jimmerish turnover smh

[loveforthegame]

I'm going to miss these preseason lineups.

[look_at_g_shred]

Ray :lol scrub

[Shipupi]

Missed the whole 3rd, what'd i miss?

[ElNono]

slomo with the dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble,

[Nathan89]

KA is one inefficient player.

[ElNono]

Missed the whole 3rd, what'd i miss?

the Jimmer Jam

[Mikeanaro]

Stupid foul.

[cd98]

Tbh Korver was Anderson's guy

[NASpurs]

Golden God, plz stahp :cry

[weeks]

golden god :depressed

[r0drig0lac]

wow splitta

[TheDoctor]

Scrubs :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Ray giving Spurmtacular hope :pctoss:

[Dancelot]

:wow Splitter

[313]

another loss lol

[Mikeanaro]

Now we are officially getting raped.

[Kawhitstorm]

Hawks starters vs. Scrubs:sleep

[SPURt]

The irony.
Hahaha!

[SAGirl]

Omg Manu just earned more love from me. For him to have the heart to be out there with this lineup its nothing but leadership. I kind of think he's doing it for Anderson and Ray TBH. Shows his character. Has to mentor these two.

[Perry Mason]

Hawks showing our 3rd string plus Manu no mercy. really impressive.

[313]

How long has ATL's starters been out there? Are they going to play the whole game or what

[NASpurs]

Damn, is Jeff Ayres still available?

[TheGreatYacht]

Ndoye bailed out, 7 footer can't finish a layup :rollin

At least he can hit free th.... Nvm

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

McCallum chucking a ball off the backboard....

[TXstbobcat]

Manu3333333333333

[ace3g]

Manu tres!!!

[NASpurs]

Someone bump hater's thread

[Mikeanaro]

Felt the same way about KA in the summer league.
Agreed.

[Ditty]

Damn I guess Pop really doesn't want to lose this game with Manu in there. He has looked impressive, Manu.

[ElNono]

Love how Manu looks going into the season, tbh

[TheDoctor]

Manu showing Brickette how it's done.

[look_at_g_shred]

Has manu found his stroke?

[SuperCam]

There is so little quality depth on the team this year. can't afford any injuries.

[ElNono]

@Spurs 5 mins ago
The Spurs are scheduled to make a quick stop in Utah on their way to San Antonio. No details given.

[Robz4000]

Love how Manu looks going into the season, tbh

See you in a couple months Manu :depressed...

[TheGreatYacht]

Love how Manu looks going into the season, tbh
Should be fishing in Buenos Aires right now tbh IMO

[Chinook]

Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) will find a way to spin it :lol

Didn't I give him a C last game?

[BillMc]

Love how Manu looks going into the season, tbh

[Dancelot]

I would smash.

[ElNono]

Didn't I give him a C last game?

:lol I'm teasing you

[SAGirl]

oh so we're all gonna sit here and act like KA isn't having his second terrible game in a row
with a few guys that are not NBA players against the Hawks starters. He's basically a rook, Pop giving him the welcome to the NBA treatment. Has to learn from mistakes, and this is it.

[look_at_g_shred]

Should be fishing in Buenos Aires right now tbh IMO
Faggot :lol

[RD2191]

Love how Manu looks going into the season, tbh

A true warrior.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kiefer sighting :tu

[TheDoctor]

@Spurs 5 mins ago
The Spurs are scheduled to make a quick stop in Utah on their way to San Antonio. No details given.
:rollin

[Spurtacular]

Dominique sounds almost as dumb as Clyde, tbh.

[SPURt]

Did Nique say something about making a team wet?

[RD2191]

@Spurs 5 mins ago
The Spurs are scheduled to make a quick stop in Utah on their way to San Antonio. No details given.

RIP spurtacular.

[SAGirl]

Nice pass by Thomas.

[r0drig0lac]

lucky shot..

[Ditty]

Anderson will be fine when he gets some NBA talent around him, and plays against some of these second units.

[Diego20]

Only 16 assists so far?


:lmao

[NASpurs]

These scrubs are horrible :lol

[ElNono]

0-3 here we come

[TheGreatYacht]

Jarell Eddie get cut by GS yet?

[313]

These scrubs are horrible :lol

[daslicer]

Granted it's preseason but this game was boring as hell too watch.

[T_L_P]

Not watching the game.

How've Duncan and Parker looked (if they're even playing)?

[TheDoctor]

We are martyrs just for watching these junior basketball scrubs.

[playbonner15]

Fckin scrubs :lol

[BillMc]

with a few guys that are not NBA players against the Hawks starters. He's basically a rook, Pop giving him the welcome to the NBA treatment. Has to learn from mistakes, and this is it.

This.

[Kawhitstorm]

none of these scrubs would get a minute on the cavs, tbh

True, they already have a surplus of scrubs.

[Chinook]

How the hell does Fredette have a -14 despite barely playing? Dude's an anti-Bonner.

[SAGirl]

0-3 here we come
Pop is not even bothering coaching these dudes. Messina on the first game was trying to win that game, Pop throwing the two he coached at the end.
He put up the weirdest lineups with a couple of guys in the rotation, surrounded by all the non-nba level talent. I think its a sink or swim strategy maybe?
Then the coaches sitting down with young guys in the team to fix up their mistakes and cut whoever is going to be cut.
Otherwise doesn't make sense.

[Fireball]

So if we win this game, it's LaCancer Aldrige, tbh?

nice try :lol

[BillMc]

Wonder why they didn't just leave Boris back in SA?

[Hoops Czar]

How the hell does Fredette have a -14 despite barely playing? Dude's an anti-Bonner.

small ample size

[weeks]

whistle
whistle whistle
whistle

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs need ton start making cuts.

[Kawhitstorm]

Ndoye would make Ayres seem like Amare on offense.

[SPURt]

Simmons struggling this preseason

[Ditty]

Would not be shocked if none of the Spurs players on the floor don't make the team.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How has Simmons looked?

[Ditty]

Jimmer may have lasted a extra day on this team if he finished that lay up :lol

[Fireball]

How has Simmons looked?

looked like shit tbh ... totally overrated after SL

[TheGreatYacht]

"Great form there on that missed layup there by Jimmer, love the effort" -Sp________

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmer thinks he's Hot Sauce from And-1:lol

[ElNono]

nice try :lol

:lol

[Hoops Czar]

How has Simmons looked?

like the fringe NBA player that he is.

[Ditty]

How has Simmons looked?

NBA talent, and speed really bothering the kid it seems. Hope he picks up his play, I'm really rooting for him.

[ElNono]

How has Simmons looked?

Like he doesn't belong, tbh

[Chinook]

small ample size

I mean, it wouldn't give a good p-value, but come on. It's crazy how bad he's been.

[Chinook]

Like he doesn't belong, tbh

Looks like a 26-year-old d-leaguer.

[SPURt]

Jimmer thinks he's Hot Sauce from And-1:lol
Don't you mean "The Professor"?

[Kawhitstorm]

How has Simmons looked?

The scrubs are making him look bad when he tries to set them up (fumble passes) or run a PnR (don't get out of his way). Ndoye is the worst offender.

[apalisoc_9]

Simmons main problem is his inability to play off ball...He really needs to ball on his hands to to be able to contribute offensively. He needs to learn how to play off the ball..That's key when you're a player at his level...

Should humble down a bit and concentrate on improving his off ball contributions..

Not talking about the 4th quarter of this game since he needed to with the lineup..

[.G.]

:lmao jimmah

[Dex]

:lmao Jimmer shooting a jumper basically on his back.

Can't believe this scrub sucked the FO out of guaranteed money.

[Hoops Czar]

I mean, it wouldn't give a good p-value, but come on. It's crazy how bad he's been.

I know, I was jk. He's a joke of a player that has no business being near an NBA roster.

[BatManu20]

Jimmer is not making this team tbh. Time to put that thread out of its misery.

[ElNono]

Looks like a 26-year-old d-leaguer.

He looked extra bad this game

[MVPCues]

Damn....my corneas may never be the same after watching this game...

[Spurtacular]

Simmons: A turnover machine in the open court.

[Ditty]

Butler and Williams are making this roster, and Simmons and Fredette are getting cut is my current prediction.

[SPURt]

I wonder if Boban and Sykes have a ventriloquist routine?

[SAGirl]

How has Simmons looked?
Not good.

[ElNono]

At least Jimmer made the poster

[loveforthegame]

Going to enjoy watching Ndoye in Austin.

[TheGreatYacht]

Cut these scrubs and lets give Tyrus Thomas, Josh Howard, and Brandon Roy a call srs

[Ditty]

Nice move/travel Jimmer!

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer takin' it to the hole.... Suck it, haters.

[BillMc]

Would like to give Ndoye some time in the program to develop.

[Spurtacular]

Cut these scrubs and lets give Tyrus Thomas, Josh Howard, and Brandon Roy a call srs

:lmao

[Diego20]

Sell all the scrubs...




oh wait

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Cut these scrubs and lets give Tyrus Thomas, Josh Howard, and Brandon Roy a call srs

Gotta add Royce White to that list, tbh.

[Nathan89]

Spurs have some issues now that every single prospect has disappointed

[Chinook]

Would like to give Ndoye some time in the program to develop.

He really impressed me in the SL. I don't mind him as the sixth big over Bonner.

[Dex]

Jimmer takin' it to the hole.... Suck it, haters.

:lmao

Even a broken fucking clock is right twice a day.

[Gladney to see you]

I thought jimmer was very active if not always effective. He was working hard.

[Spurtacular]

Hey, Ray McCallum lead the team......

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs have some issues now that every single prospect has disappointed
I wouldn't exactly call Simmons and Boban prospects.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gotta add Royce White to that list, tbh.
:lmao

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spurs have some issues now that every single prospect has disappointed

As if the wing depth wasn't already weak. Now it seems like there's a gaping hole at that spot.

[Spurtacular]

Hey, Ray McCallum lead the team......

In negative +/-

-19 :lmao:

[BatManu20]

At least Jimmer made the poster

:lol

[Spurtacular]

I wouldn't exactly call Simmons and Boban prospects.

I wouldn't say they haven't "disappointed."

[Chinook]

Tiago 3-0. LMA 0-3.

We messed up guys. :depressed

[Kawhitstorm]

The only players that have looked rotation material consistently are Butler/Ray both of whom should get minutes as a backup wing & 3rd string PG (very important considering Porker is the starter). Kyle/Bonner/Boban aren't going anywhere so the only position of need is a wing defender (Simmons/Reggie); Deshaun/Jimmer are as good as gone. Ndoye is a decent project player but he has no touch around the rim & is terrible at setting picks.

[weeks]

I thought jimmer was very active if not always effective. He was working hard.
true

[Spurtacular]

Nobody's gonna hop Rasual Butler's dick tonight? He was only 0-6.

Edit: Sorry I didn't see that Apo Sock was riding that dick tonight, after all.

[Spurtacular]

The only players that have looked rotation material consistently are Butler/Ray both of whom should get minutes as a backup wing & 3rd string PG (very important considering Porker is the starter). Kyle/Bonner/Boban aren't going anywhere so the only position of need is a wing defender (Simmons/Reggie); Deshaun/Jimmer are as good as gone. Ndoye is a decent project player but he has no touch around the rim & is terrible at setting picks.

Yea, that 0-6 for Butler and -19 for McCallum was just magical!

[Kawhitstorm]

Nobody's gonna hop Rasual Butler's dick tonight? He was only 0-6.

He rebounded the ball & was at the right spot on offense, he just missed shots that he usually makes. He wasn't dribbling the ball off his feet, getting stuffed on a jump-shot, trying to do too much on offense or getting toyed w/ on defense like Jimmer

[Hoops Czar]

I wouldn't say they haven't "disappointed."

Depends on your definition of "disappoint". Boban's everything I expected he would be. He won't move the needle in either direction and he has no shot at the rotation. Simmons is vying for a spot in the rotation and he looks like anything but a rotation player thus far.

[ElNono]

The only players that have looked rotation material consistently are Butler/Ray both of whom should get minutes as a backup wing & 3rd string PG (very important considering Porker is the starter). Kyle/Bonner/Boban aren't going anywhere so the only position of need is a wing defender (Simmons/Reggie); Deshaun/Jimmer are as good as gone. Ndoye is a decent project player but he has no touch around the rim & is terrible at setting picks.

I think Reggie's spot is pretty much up for grabs, and we're definitely going to need one of Reggie/Simms/Fredette to stick around due to both Tony and Manu getting some nights off.

[Chinook]

Butler was definitely better than Jimmer. But he has to defend fours better. He fouled every time he was posted up. He's too big and too old for that.

[Spurtacular]

He rebounded the ball & was at the right spot on offense, he just missed shots that he usually makes. He wasn't dribbling the ball off his feet, getting stuffed on a jump-shot, trying to do too much on offense or getting toyed w/ on defense like Jimmer

He clanked I don't know how many non-corner threes; just missed them badly.

[SAGirl]

@Spurs 5 mins ago
The Spurs are scheduled to make a quick stop in Utah on their way to San Antonio. No details given.
This for real?

[Gladney to see you]

It will be interesting the last few games to see who makes it. Even after not so great performances I might lean Jimmer. My reasoning is when I watch the offense...even when he isn't hitting his shot, His man really plays him. Other guys don't get that. He takes up a space. He could suck next game but in the realm of suckiness tonight I thought he was ok.

we have a pretty sad bottom of the team. I mean the coach literally doesn't care to watch. That is too funny.

[weeks]

This for real?:lol

[BillMc]

It will be interesting the last few games to see who makes it. Even after not so great performances I might lean Jimmer. My reasoning is when I watch the offense...even when he isn't hitting his shot, His man really plays him. Other guys don't get that. He takes up a space. He could suck next game but in the realm of suckiness tonight I thought he was ok.

we have a pretty sad bottom of the team. I mean the coach literally doesn't care to watch. That is too funny.

We should have a fantastic Top ten and the worst bottom 5 in years. Interesting mix...

[Kawhitstorm]

Butler and Williams are making this roster, and Simmons and Fredette are getting cut is my current prediction.

Williams & Butler are redundant since they are both shooters, Williams is a mediocre defender so I don't see him making the rosters as the designated backup "wing defender". Landry Fields is still available & used to be a 3-&-D guy but his career came crashing after the Raptors gave him a fat contract he was never able to live up to, maybe Pop could revive his career since he's still relatively young.

Welp, looks like Landry Fields is rehabbing: "Becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2015, Fields sustained a hip injury during the off-season that required surgery, sidelining him from basketball-related activities for five months"

[ElNono]

This for real?

you hope :lol

[ace3g]

https://s.yimg.com/sr/imgv1/1/312a747b-6dce-30c9-8657-3901083f9d7a

[Gladney to see you]

We should have a fantastic Top ten and the worst bottom 5 in years. Interesting mix...

It will be ok if we can stay reasonably healthy. We just need hustlers to fill out the roster. Guys who can fake it for a few games.

[Ditty]

My take from tonight's game:

Manu, Duncan and Patty look great!

Kawhi looks amazing also, but needs to stop forcing things at times.

Bonner sucks.

Parker needs to settle down a bit, but looks like he is taking on that distributor role a lot of y'all want him to take.

Green's shot will come around, defense is good.

West is going to be a really good player off the bench for of us if he can knock down those mid range shots, like he has against us in the past. Him and LA are going to get those open all game long.

I have been impressed with Boban against the Kings and Hawks game especially defensively. I think when he gets more used to the NBA speed, I think he will calm down a bit and his hands will get better on offense.

Anderson is most effective on pick n rolls, and on the block. Outside of that he dribbles too much on isolation plays and not very good then.

McCallum needs to settle down a bit also, but like how he gets to the rim.

Simmons has been disappointing.

Butler may have the advantage over Jimmer because he is bigger need, and plays better defense but Butler didn't shoot too great tonight, and Jimmer made a few nice plays getting to the basket even if he traveled on the last play :lol

Reggie Williams looks like he is the only one deep on the bench that can knock down a NBA three, and can score so he will probably make the team based on that.

Ndoye, Sykes and Thomas are probably going to be the first three that get cut.

[BillMc]

This for real?

Rumor is they won't actually land in Utah, just circle around above Salt Lake, jettison something, then fly back to SA.

[SAGirl]

Butler and Williams are making this roster, and Simmons and Fredette are getting cut is my current prediction.
I really really think, they will keep Butler. Personally i would take Simmons over Williams, but at this point really don't know. Williams is terrible on defense, really really bad, slow unathletic and just bad. He can shoot, so I think they are giving him an extra look. Simmons has always had ballhandling issues, and his game depending on dribble drives its a problem. Reluctant to shoot and not making any jumpers he takes, but defensively he's been better than Williams, and he can for sure pass. I would take him and hope he can do something at least about his shooting.

[BillMc]

It will be ok if we can stay reasonably healthy. We just need hustlers to fill out the roster. Guys who can fake it for a few games.

Yep

[SAGirl]

Rumor is they won't actually land in Utah, just circle around above Salt Lake, jettison something, then fly back to SA.
/rofl
you got me BillMc
:bobo

[Hoops Czar]

Outside of Green and Leonard, this team defends the three very poorly. That's a problem considering the Spurs only have two three point specialists of their own (Mills, Green) and if one or both go into prolonged slumps, this team could get clowned from behind the arc.

[Kawhitstorm]

Williams is terrible on defense, really really bad, slow unathletic and just bad.

Williams on defense is no better than the real James Harden.

[Chinook]

It will be interesting the last few games to see who makes it. Even after not so great performances I might lean Jimmer. My reasoning is when I watch the offense...even when he isn't hitting his shot, His man really plays him. Other guys don't get that. He takes up a space. He could suck next game but in the realm of suckiness tonight I thought he was ok.

we have a pretty sad bottom of the team. I mean the coach literally doesn't care to watch. That is too funny.

Jimmer could easily make it because of his salary. I honestly think that he, Butler and Simmons may be in competition for two spots. Maybe you'd have to add Bonner into the mix, as Butler has been playing PF exclusively, I think. But anyways, Jimmer and Butler show better intangibles, which is to be expected with Jonathon being a rookie. But honestly, Simmons looks completely overmatched at this level, and I don't know of that he'll get better. He also might have confidence issues, as he was on the verge of quitting basketball until last season if the story is correct.

Here's how I see it.

Absolute locks to make the team (1.0):

Parker, Green, Leonard, Aldridge, Duncan, Mills, Ginobili, Anderson, Diaw, West

Functional locks (.99 - .95):

McCallum, Marjanovic,

Near-locks (.94 - .8):

Simmons, Bonner

Likely (.79 - .5):

Fredette

Great chance (.5 - .4):

Butler

Some chance (.39 - .03):

Thomas, Ndoye, Wiliams

No chance (.02 - 0):

Sykes

[Kawhitstorm]

Outside of Green and Leonard, this team defends the three very poorly. That's a problem considering the Spurs only have two three point specialists of their own (Mills, Green) and if one or both go into prolonged slumps, this team could get clowned from behind the arc.

Kawhi/Danny are going to be working OT unless Simmons somehow figures it out before he gets cut.

[Gladney to see you]

I think Thomas will be on an NBA team this year.

[Chinook]

I think Thomas will be on an NBA team this year.

He and Ndoye deserve serious minutes with the big guns to show what they can do.

[BillMc]

/rofl
you got me BillMc
:bobo

All in fun! :toast:flag:

[Gladney to see you]

He and Ndoye deserve serious minutes with the big guns to show what they can do.

Totally agree...they have exploitable NBA skills.

[Spurtacular]

He and Ndoye deserve serious minutes with the big guns to show what they can do.

No, they don't. Thomas did okay tonight though.

[Kawhitstorm]

Anderson is most effective on pick n rolls, and on the block. Outside of that he dribbles too much on isolation plays and not very good then.

The issue w/ the scrubs is that none of the perimeter players can play off the ball nor can the big guys roll/catch thus the ball handlers keep trying to do too much off the dribble since they don't trust their teammates.

[Kawhitstorm]

No, they don't. Thomas did okay tonight though.

Thomas is supposed to be a stretch 4 but he can't make an NBA 3. He also sucks at rebounding but is always seemingly chasing offensive rebounds instead of getting back on defense...he is also not a good defender either besides having quick hands. I'm not sure he's a better rebounder/defender than Bonner let alone shooter:lol, he is just more mobile.

[apalisoc_9]

Thomas is supposed to be a stretch 4 but he can't make an NBA 3.

his shot is so flat :lol

[BillMc]

his shot is so flat :lol

Truth.

[Chinook]

No, they don't. Thomas did okay tonight though.

Both are much better than Jimmer. This we know.

[SAGirl]

My take from tonight's game:

Manu, Duncan and Patty look great!

Kawhi looks amazing also, but needs to stop forcing things at times.

Bonner sucks.

Parker needs to settle down a bit, but looks like he is taking on that distributor role a lot of y'all want him to take.

Green's shot will come around, defense is good.

West is going to be a really good player off the bench for of us if he can knock down those mid range shots, like he has against us in the past. Him and LA are going to get those open all game long.

I have been impressed with Boban against the Kings and Hawks game especially defensively. I think when he gets more used to the NBA speed, I think he will calm down a bit and his hands will get better on offense.

Anderson is most effective on pick n rolls, and on the block. Outside of that he dribbles too much on isolation plays and not very good then.

McCallum needs to settle down a bit also, but like how he gets to the rim.

Simmons has been disappointing.

Butler may have the advantage over Jimmer because he is bigger need, and plays better defense but Butler didn't shoot too great tonight, and Jimmer made a few nice plays getting to the basket even if he traveled on the last play :lol

Reggie Williams looks like he is the only one deep on the bench that can knock down a NBA three, and can score so he will probably make the team based on that.

Ndoye, Sykes and Thomas are probably going to be the first three that get cut.

Nice take. Thanks for your nice basketball feedback, no trolling!!! Agree with most of the stuff here.

About Kawhi, still developing this part of his game, the taking command superstar part. We are bound to see some boneheaded plays from him, specially because Pop is asking him to make stuff happen and be aggressive and force issues if need be. He will hopefully clean these up in games that matter I think, since he has been inefficient. He's been saved however, by the foul draw rate having increased. Its apparent he was told to be aggressive and force the issue at times, and will have his moments when it won't be pretty. (same as Tony had his moments when forcing things didn't look pretty either, and hopefully the times where he has to force things on his own are behind him). I guess at some point, Kawhi will transcend the level where the forced things end up horrible and will be nice most of the time and will wisen up and will rise above to an NBA MVP level. :hat

Anderson, has potential. Youngest guy in the team and has looked good with good teammates and bad with the scrubs. He is even further behind on the learning curve than any other youngsters we have, so I think Pop throwing him to the Hawks top dogs, is a humbling learning moment to get over himself. Also, has to improve decision making, pick his spots, et. al. Cannot let the pressure of the moment make him take all these crazy dribbles for example. If there are injuries, who is to say he doesn't have to start a few games that matter? IMO he needs moments like this.

McCallum very crazy, bad decisions, taking it to the rim against rim protections not a good idea. I like his spirit, and aggressiveness but just no. Had a few boneheaded plays too. Very much a work in progress.

Manu the Gawd!!! :cheer

Reggie can shoot, that is about all that can be said about him.

Butler is a vet, plays within himself. Had a bad shooting night, but can shoot.

Bonner, I get it. He's not getting cut, but he can't play. You can't even hide him with the starters and that is bad to me. I think you could have hidden other guys in this list with the starters and they would be ok, but Bonner doesn't. I don't expect the team to do well any time he plays, that is how bad it is. Last season whenever he started, the team could not score. The trend continues. He's cold shooting, but bc he doesn't add anything else its a problem. Kyle comes up with a rebound, a steal or a deflection here or there. Other guys will give you something, anything. Bonner at this point is not adding anything basketball wise. 7 mins and O, just 1 def rebound. First game he played 5 mins and got 0, nothing, nothing recorded, no rebounds, not a thing. I don't want to bash him anymore bc he's such a high character likeable guy, but he's not even guilty of doing too much, bc he doesn't do anything..... grr you get my point.

Simmons I sort of knew would not translate exactly as he looked in SL bc of his ballhandling, and his dependence on dribble drives. His stats in SL were boosted by a lot of finishes at the rim that are not available in the NBA. I still like things about him though. His does have a talent to pass, and he has tools to defend well. I think he can be hidden in good lineups very well. The most concerning at this point is that he can't shoot. Hasn't made jumpshots and reluctant to let it fly from range. I do hope he makes the team.

[ElNono]

Feel bad for Simmons, tbh... had a horrible game and on top of that he had to play extended minutes with Jimmer... hopefully it won't cost him a potential NBA career...

[Gladney to see you]

Bonner will retire and become part of the front office.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EOloyU_0Rk

[Kawhitstorm]

Simmons I sort of knew would not translate exactly as he looked in SL bc of his ballhandling, and his dependence on dribble drives. His stats in SL were boosted by a lot of finishes at the rim that are not available in the NBA. I still like things about him though. His does have a talent to pass, and he has tools to defend well. I think he can be hidden in good lineups very well. The most concerning at this point is that he can't shoot. Hasn't made jumpshots and reluctant to let it fly from range. I do hope he makes the team.

If Tony Allen can be a starter for a contending team then Simmons can definitely be a 3rd string guard if he plays in the right situation. He needs a PnR partner for his dribble drive game & Ndoye isn't helping him whatsoever since he can't catch, roll nor do defender respect his finishing abilities. Playing w/ high IQ guys Diaw/West/Manu/Kyle might help him since they will find him if he's slashing or they will get out of his way & be at the right spot when he's driving so the floor is spaced appropriately. Even though he's struggling you still can see that he has great floor vision.

[tmtcsc]

Simmons will benefit from playing with better players. I still think he'll be ok. Playing alongside scrubs didn't help him tonight. As for Jimmer, he deserves to be among the first cut but will probably get an extended look because of the guaranteed money.

[SAGirl]

...so the only position of need is a wing defender (Simmons/Reggie); Deshaun/Jimmer are as good as gone. Ndoye is a decent project player but he has no touch around the rim & is terrible at setting picks.
Think Ndoye is probably a good project big for Austin. He's been poor, but has athleticism, agility and hustle. Definitely has defensive potential. I would take Simmons over Reggie, but who knows what Pop is thinking. Reggie can shoot and Simmons cannot, so we'll see what Pop decides.

[spurraider21]

kawhi's talent is undeniable, but i dont like when offense just becomes kawhiso

[TheDoctor]

As you all said, Simms looked horrible vs NBA competition but also he was the only "playmaker" or at least the only one trying to set up players in a line-up full of scrubs. In SL obviously there was much less competition and most of the time he played along KA.

Simms will definitely benefit from playing next to players like KA, Boris, etc.

[Kawhitstorm]

Think Ndoye is probably a good project big for Austin. He's been poor, but has athleticism, agility and hustle. Definitely has defensive potential. I would take Simmons over Reggie, but who knows what Pop is thinking. Reggie can shoot and Simmons cannot, so we'll see what Pop decides.

It's not like any of them are going to be rotation players this upcoming season. CoJo used to play garbage minutes when both Patty/Tony were healthy so as long as Manu can stay healthy Butler/Kyle should be sufficient. Whoever hustles most in practice & is well liked is most likely going to make the team.

[TheDoctor]

kawhi's talent is undeniable, but i dont like when offense just becomes kawhiso

Preseason. Once the regular season starts, there will be more offensive options. Tho the KaMarcus dupla should dominate the ball. For now I don't mind his ISOing. Needs to practice his shots in real games circumstances.

[daslicer]

Can't wait for the preseason games to end. These games have been garbage to watch.

[Spurtacular]

Both are much better than Jimmer. This we know.

:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

kawhi's talent is undeniable, but i dont like when offense just becomes kawhiso

Stop talking basketball. You are embarrassing.

[spurraider21]

Stop talking basketball. You are embarrassing me.
I know, but it has to be done.

[Ice009]

I really really think, they will keep Butler. Personally i would take Simmons over Williams, but at this point really don't know. Williams is terrible on defense, really really bad, slow unathletic and just bad. He can shoot, so I think they are giving him an extra look. Simmons has always had ballhandling issues, and his game depending on dribble drives its a problem. Reluctant to shoot and not making any jumpers he takes, but defensively he's been better than Williams, and he can for sure pass. I would take him and hope he can do something at least about his shooting.

Simmons isn't even looking to shoot. Not sure if he's trying to fit in and not seem selfish by looking for his own shot/offense or what, but all I know is that he isn't looking too good right now. It seems like if he can't drive to the rim, he'd rather pass the ball than even think about taking a shot for himself. I'm very disappointed in his play so far. I expected someone more aggressive and confident out there with his shooting and offensive game. It looks like I could destroy him in a shooting contest (the rest of my game sucks though ;) ). It doesn't seem like he has any confidence whatsoever in his jumper to even look at taking one during these games so far. As a shooter, you have to have confidence in your shot at all times. You can't be scared to shoot. Even if you're a great shooter, if you're scared to shoot the ball there's a lot less of a chance that the ball will go in.

It's really disappointing because he has some other great tools to work with, but if he doesn't even want to shoot the ball, I'm not sure if those other tools will be enough. I only saw him in summer league and based on that, I was worried about his shooting. Looks like his shooting could be even worse than I imagined. What was his shooting like in D-League? Did he need time to get his shot up? Did he only shoot it when he was open?

[Spurtacular]

Feel bad for Simmons, tbh... had a horrible game and on top of that he had to play extended minutes with Jimmer... hopefully it won't cost him a potential NBA career...

Give me a break.

[apalisoc_9]

I know, but it has to be done.

Oh so funny...Philo's track Record.

- Kawhi will never be a star player..Goes on to become a top 10 player in the league
- Memphis/thunder will beat the Spurs 2014..Spurs goes on to
- Warriors are a joke of team...team goes on to win LOBT

Seriously you're terrible at basketball takes..Stick to talking about Turkey or some shit.

[DeRozan m8]

Who was the fucking idiot that said reggie can score?

I almost hate this guy more than Ayres...hes so fucking bad

[DeRozan m8]

So it seems that it's user ditty that doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about

[spurraider21]

Oh so funny...Philo's track Record.

- Kawhi will never be a star player..Goes on to become a top 10 player in the league
- Memphis/thunder will beat the Spurs 2014..Spurs goes on to
- Warriors are a joke of team...team goes on to win LOBT

Seriously you're terrible at basketball takes..Stick to talking about Turkey or some shit.
never said any of those things but k.

keep telling us about kawhi's fanduel points or about how TD is a stat padder

[SAGirl]

Simmons isn't even looking to shoot. Not sure if he's trying to fit in and not seem selfish by looking for his own shot/offense or what, but all I know is that he isn't looking too good right now. It seems like if he can't drive to the rim, he'd rather pass the ball than even think about taking a shot for himself. I'm very disappointed in his play so far. I expected someone more aggressive and confident out there with his shooting and offensive game. It looks like I could destroy him in a shooting contest (the rest of my game sucks though ;) ). It doesn't seem like he has any confidence whatsoever in his jumper to even look at taking one during these games so far. As a shooter, you have to have confidence in your shot at all times. You can't be scared to shoot. Even if you're a great shooter, if you're scared to shoot the ball there's a lot less of a chance that the ball will go in.

It's really disappointing because he has some other great tools to work with, but if he doesn't even want to shoot the ball, I'm not sure if those other tools will be enough. I only saw him in summer league and based on that, I was worried about his shooting. Looks like his shooting could be even worse than I imagined. What was his shooting like in D-League? Did he need time to get his shot up? Did he only shoot it when he was open?

He wasn't shooting a whole lot TBH, he's a reluctant shooter. He'd get a lot of looks like in SL, which boost your stats and are deceptive: Dunks in transition, an alley oop from Kyle, a slash to the rim off the dribble, but there is no rim protection in dleague, and lanes open up more frequently with bad defense. He would take a 3 if he was open, but he is not a guy you run off a screen to get a shot off, he'd need to be spotted up and with no one closing out to take a 3. I don't remember form or anything like that, just that he was reluctant to shoot. He's got an average shot, not quick trigger, but also not terribly slow like some others that are noticeable. I am not sure what has happened to his shot, but clearly NBA players have more size and close out to shooters, and he's got in his mind what he likes to do which is drive. A shooter would get the ball and want to shoot it, he's not that.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EOloyU_0Rk

Thanks for posting!:toast

[Ice009]

Who was the fucking idiot that said reggie can score?

I almost hate this guy more than Ayres...hes so fucking bad

I recall one season, I think it was with the Warriors and he was hitting shots with regularity in the few games I saw him play with them. He has scored at the NBA level before.

[T Park]

Rasul Butler has the 15th spot on lockdown. He looks like he's New Orleans again.

Once Marjanovic gets used to the speed by Janury, he'll be fine. He moves WAY better than the scouting report in August said.

David West is going to be so freaking fun to watch.

[DeRozan m8]

He has scored at the NBA level before.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day aye

I've built a passionate hate for him without even meaning it, i see him on the court and my blood boils, he brings nothing

[GeorgiaSpursFan]

Was at the game, much to forget but boban is going to bea beast defensively. He's fast enough, just not quick. But every hawk gave him space unless they were forced into him. No one wanted to bang him. If he can work on his short "jumper" or maybe a hook, he'll be a solid starter. No star, but solid.

[Obstructed_View]

It's late and I'm groggy. Wanted to get this written before I crash. Just comment on any mistakes I made and I'll fix them later. This is off a single watch, without reading anyone else's comments.

Game observations:

Rotation guys from last year, we know who you are and what we're getting. You did fine. Your transition defense was awful. I'm sure Pop will let you know about that. Don't get hurt before the season starts.

Sometimes I wonder why everyone makes such a big deal about Kawhi Leonard, and then there are other times that he does something that makes me think of Michael Jordan. He's really working on that turnaround, and his footwork on it is really fun to watch. He looks like he's added some cleverness in traffic that he didn't have last year. He can put it up softly even when charging at the glass.

Tony Parker looks a little quicker than he did playing for France. His sluggish start is probably alarming to a number of fans, particulary those who didn't see him over the summer. His first jump shot barely drew glass, and not many of his other jumpers looked any better. His passing was pretty good, and he looked like he got more aggressive going toward the basket as he went further into the game. He showed a bit of explosiveness, if only on offense. At this point, he showed that he's physically capable of being game-changing TP from time to time, which many of us were questioning if he could do at all. I think we've all learned that it's not something the Spurs should rely on going forward, but it would be nice to discover it still exists.

Kyle Anderson looks fine as long as he's with good teammates. I really liked when he was bringing the ball up when he was on the floor with Mills. I seem to recall that he played some 2 and some 4 as well. When it was him and the scrub show in the second half the whole team became a train wreck, and I don't think he's any more to blame for that than everyone else on the floor with him. I have enough faith in his basketball IQ that he's figuring out how to contribute in the rotation with the players who matter.

If I were to guess, and I'm usually wrong about stuff like this, Rasual Butler looks like the guy who's going to make the roster. He's in the right places on both ends, he contributes even if he's not scoring, and he manages not to be a liability when he's on the floor, which is all the Spurs ask of a deep bench player.

Deshaun Thomas looks like Deshaun Thomas, but three years older. Nothing else has changed. I originally wrote a lot, but that's all you need to know. He added nothing to his game since being drafted. Don't forget your passport, D.

Ray McCallum. Yo, Ray. The shot clock resets to 14 after a kicked ball. How the ever-living fuck do you not know that? The Spurs finally got a representative for Shaqtin' a fool. Also, not a good idea to try to dunk on a guy who's a foot taller than you are.

At this point, I like Youssou Ndoye better than I like Boban Marjanovic, but I've seen more of Ndoye because he was in summer league. I don't really think there's any way Ndoye gets that last roster spot

Unless I missed it, Jonathon Simmons didn't play at all in the first half, and only got some run with the scrubs in the fourth after the team and the game fell apart. I'm not worried about anything he did.

Jimmer Fredette. Holy shit. He takes risks with the ball when he handles it, doesn't pay attention to where he is, and uses the same spin move as often as he can, turning a relatively easy shot attempt into a circus shot. He actually made one at the end of the game, which is probably proof of nothing more than he practices shit like that in an empty gym. I don't see how Pop can put up with that for an entire season. He also leads the league in passing the ball to teammates who are out of bounds. :bang

Any of you guys miss Jeff Ayres yet? After watching Bonner, Boban and Ndoye you probably should.

[DeRozan m8]

There's no such thing as missing Jeff Ayres

[ceperez]

kawhi's talent is undeniable, but i dont like when offense just becomes kawhiso

However, this is pre-season, so he's got to keep forcing the offense so that he learns how he feels when he is outside his comfort zone.

[Chinook]

Any of you guys miss Jeff Ayres yet? After watching Bonner, Boban and Ndoye you probably should.

I actually really liked your take as a whole, but I didn't miss Ayres. Dude looked awful in the summer league a couple of years ago. I prefer Boban's size and Ndoye's hustle.

[Wildcat67]

However, this is pre-season, so he's got to keep forcing the offense so that he learns how he feels when he is outside his comfort zone.


I agree with this. Now is the perfect time for Kawhi to just take over the game and use it as practice for working on the things he worked on this summer in game situations. It's one thing to work on moves in a gym, but you need game experience to be able to string moves together seamlessly, without having to think.

[ceperez]

I agree with this. Now is the perfect time for Kawhi to just take over the game and use it as practice for working on the things he worked on this summer in game situations. It's one thing to work on moves in a gym, but you need game experience to be able to string moves together seamlessly, without having to think.

Leonard doesn't have the fluidity in motion as Parker or Ginobili. He's a bit mechanical, so by forcing the plays, he gets to learn how to get creative.

Heck, I would go as far as having half a regular season where Leonard plays out of control, just so he learns.

The scrubs need to do the opposite, learn how to play a controlled game. Simmons for example needs to learn to catch and shoot. He has the talent, but it is too early in his career to be other than a role player. Just be a Bruce Bowen is what I recommend for Simmons.

[r0drig0lac]

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/basketball/splitter-shares-light-moment-with-former-coach/nn3fM/

[cariocaz]

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/basketball/splitter-shares-light-moment-with-former-coach/nn3fM/

That's funny!

[SAGirl]

Was at the game, much to forget but boban is going to bea beast defensively. He's fast enough, just not quick. But every hawk gave him space unless they were forced into him. No one wanted to bang him. If he can work on his short "jumper" or maybe a hook, he'll be a solid starter. No star, but solid.
Thanks for sharing!!! I don't know if it's just me, but I think he has good chemistry with Anderson, they are often involved in a two man game, that I think given Anderson's youth and potential can develop into a future fun combo.

[wildbill2u]

How has Simmons looked?

First time I've been able to watch him this preseason and it was only in the closing minutes of 4th. That being said, I had 3 takeaways:
1. Trying too hard and forcing things. The coaches may have sent him in to bring energy since we were behind, so hopefully this attitude might have been purposeful. Working hard but not smart and committing unforced errors.
2. Most athletic guy on the team? Dude can move fast and jump high--but as Sir Charles said, "So can deer, but you don't see many in the NBA"
3. He's obviously taking Pop's comment to heart and is trying to make his mark via passing, but I'd like to see better shooting and offensive moves.

Limited sample. Maybe others have different takes. I'm hoping for faster adjustment to the big show.

[sasaint]

Pop is not even bothering coaching these dudes. Messina on the first game was trying to win that game, Pop throwing the two he coached at the end.
He put up the weirdest lineups with a couple of guys in the rotation, surrounded by all the non-nba level talent. I think its a sink or swim strategy maybe?
Then the coaches sitting down with young guys in the team to fix up their mistakes and cut whoever is going to be cut.
Otherwise doesn't make sense.

Most confusing... Seems to me that guys like KA, Ray, Simmons and possibly Butler could benefit from some coaching in these games rather than the "sink or swim" treatment. Personally I think they would benefit more from playing UP with guys above them on the depth chart rather than DOWN with training camp fodder. I am sorry that this mess was the first game I have seen.

Boban, in particular, is a disappointment. He is huge and he moves in a straight line with good speed. The good hands that were touted are nowhere in evidence, though, and I have yet to see his feet break contact with the floor. It is hard for me to imagine a player being serviceable in the league today who cannot jump AT ALL. he makes Artis Gilmore look like Dr. J. If he sticks we could call him B-train. I almost prefer Ndoye. I love his hustle and general athleticism. It's a pity he doesn't seem to have much in the way of basketball skill. Not sure he could ever reach the level of Reggie Evans, but that is who he kind of reminds me of. At some very low level, Thomas was better than I had anticipated. It's a shame we do not have the luxury of being able to send him to Austin for the year.

[sasaint]

He looked extra bad this game

That is the unfortunate truth. I have really been keeping my fingers crossed and rooting for Simmons, hoping that with some mentoring from the great Manu he might blossom. Now it seems like he is playing himself off the roster at this point.

On the bright side (?!) compared to everybody except TD, his performance doesn't seem so bad... Tbh below the top 9-10 players we have warm bodies who seem like marginal NBA talent at best. It seems probable that the FO is willing to pay a considerable luxury tax this year. I would not be surprised to see a lot of the warm bodies jettisoned in the next month or two to make room for training camp culls and early season releases from other teams.

Marjanovic, Bonner, Thomas, Simmons and McCallum all seem very marginal. No doubt Boban will make the regular season roster. Bonner will be here unless he would prefer to move upstairs. Thomas is probably gone. Simmons may also be gone, but McCallum probably will be here. However, if we can pick up waived players better than Simmons or McCallum, those players could be gone by mid-season. I think Butler may stick. As for Williams and Jimmer: No.

[sasaint]

Spurs have some issues now that every single prospect has disappointed

They have three more games to turn it around, but barring divine intervention, you are right. Adding LMA at the expense of all that we lost is looking more questionable - especially if Tiago has a solid, injury-free season in Hot 'Lanta. This roster seems very shallow in reliable players; hence the Spurs look more vulnerable.

[sasaint]

Butler and Williams are making this roster, and Simmons and Fredette are getting cut is my current prediction.

Butler, yes; Williams, no; Simmons probably gone unless he makes a big turn-around; Jimmer is gone, unless we see him used more as a mere spot-up shooter, pouring in 3's at a 40% clip. It seems like PATFO envisioned him as a Marco replacement when he should be considered a Danny Green "3-and-No-D".

[sasaint]

The issue w/ the scrubs is that none of the perimeter players can play off the ball nor can the big guys roll/catch thus the ball handlers keep trying to do too much off the dribble since they don't trust their teammates.

EXACTLY! Makes for a completely dysfunctional group on the floor. I don't know why Pop is mixing and matching like he is. Seems like the madness has outstripped the scientist...

[sasaint]

Thomas is supposed to be a stretch 4 but he can't make an NBA 3. He also sucks at rebounding but is always seemingly chasing offensive rebounds instead of getting back on defense...he is also not a good defender either besides having quick hands. I'm not sure he's a better rebounder/defender than Bonner let alone shooter:lol, he is just more mobile.

Yep, Thomas has very poor instincts. Won't work with Pop.

[steeledl]

Thanks for sharing!!! I don't know if it's just me, but I think he has good chemistry with Anderson, they are often involved in a two man game, that I think given Anderson's youth and potential can develop into a future fun combo.

Oh God if these two are on the court together playing any significant minutes teams will just pick and roll us to fucking death.

[SAGirl]

The second half of this game has a lot of Shaktin a fool moments. :lol From Kawhi doing a Kobe impersonation putting up a contested fadeaway jump shot over 3 defenders to Slowmo getting in trouble in the paint after sucking about three guys in with him, Ray putting up the worst desperation heave I have seen after not realizing the clock had been reset to 14 after a kicked ball (:lmao), Jimmer trying to do too much getting the ball deflected and proceeding to dribble it off his foot, Thomas stepping out of bounds upon catching a ball in the paint, Simms terrible out of control play... I mean some stuff was flat out hilarious.

If you wanted to parody the Spurs just replay the second quarter of that game. Makes me realize why coaches love vets, all of the young guys (and some not so young) had at least one boneheaded play and some guys several. Some of the ugliest bball you will see but some stuff was flat out hilarious.

Spurs Shaktin a fool MVP have to go with Ray, the crazy 3 pt shot attempt had me crawling with laughter when I rewatched it.

[PingPong]

:cry dat Parker leadership tbh :cry organizing a dinner with Tiago :cry

too bad Kawhi and Manu are nowhere to be seen tbh... not everybody is a great teammate like TD, Tony, Boris and Matt tbh

Probably Manu was taking the Picture and Mills was sitting in the ground because Porker pulled his chair back to avoid the aussie to steal his spotlight...

"Splitter was beloved by his teammates in San Antonio, as evidenced by the guest list that accompanied him to dinner Tuesday: Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Boris Diaw, Patty Mills and Matt Bonner"

[tholdren]

I agree with this. Now is the perfect time for Kawhi to just take over the game and use it as practice for working on the things he worked on this summer in game situations. It's one thing to work on moves in a gym, but you need game experience to be able to string moves together seamlessly, without having to think.
who is polka-dot in sig?