Netanyahu absolves Hitler of his crimes, blames Palestinian for Genocide

[hater]

:wow

and this guy is considered a "moderate" in Israeli politics :lol

can you imagine the right leaning Israelis :wow

scary

[hater]

LTVunUM3L7I

[boutons_deux]

already posted, and debunked. Conservative Bibi is lying, all conservatives lie. yawn

[hater]

what's debunked? that he is a moderate?

have you seen real Israeli conservatives speak??? they refer to Palestinian children as little snakes

[m>s]

The holocaust is like a 100 page thread in itself. The holocaust isn't anything like what is taught in the textbooks. I've studied extensively and everything about the "official" narrative is wrong. It's sad that people still believe 70 year old allied war propaganda.

[pgardn]

The holocaust is like a 100 page thread in itself. The holocaust isn't anything like what is taught in the textbooks. I've studied extensively and everything about the "official" narrative is wrong. It's sad that people still believe 70 year old allied war propaganda.

My wifes grandfather was there. He was building landing strips. Guess what he did when the allies did not need him? He took pictures. Film and stills. Guess where he travelled to in Germany and other countries. Sorry, I saw the pictures and heard it from his mouth.

What were the dates you stayed in Syria on the ground near the fighting?

[DMX7]

The holocaust is like a 100 page thread in itself. The holocaust isn't anything like what is taught in the textbooks. I've studied extensively and everything about the "official" narrative is wrong. It's sad that people still believe 70 year old allied war propaganda.

How did you study it if your didn't study the official textbooks? Did you get your information from random internet posters?

And please tell us more about what really happened. :lol

[hater]

My wifes grandfather was there. He was building landing strips. Guess what he did when the allies did not need him? He took pictures. Film and stills. Guess where he travelled to in Germany and other countries. Sorry, I saw the pictures and heard it from his mouth.

What were the dates you stayed in Syria on the ground near the fighting?

pics or it didn't happen. post them

[pgardn]

pics or it didn't happen. post them

Go to the Jewish Community Center on Military Highway in San Antonio and ask them what Holocaust group they are with. Tell them it's all the notes, pictures and film the two star general who worked at Vandenberg AFB donated. And then ask them which holocaust group interviewed him about the donation. He interviewed with at least 3 people. Then track them down.

Pay stubs for your illegals that work for you. Redact names and such.

Tired of getting punched in the mouth?

[pgardn]

pics or it didn't happen. post them

So Jews were not killed in concentration camps as well?

[hater]

So Jews were not killed in concentration camps as well?

no your wifes grandpa tale.

[pgardn]

no your wifes grandpa tale.

Land taking a shot of what I saw if they were in front of me might not be possible.
Not for the faint of heart.

[m>s]

Go to the Jewish Community Center on Military Highway in San Antonio and ask them what Holocaust group they are with. Tell them it's all the notes, pictures and film the two star general who worked at Vandenberg AFB donated. And then ask them which holocaust group interviewed him about the donation. He interviewed with at least 3 people. Then track them down.

Pay stubs for your illegals that work for you. Redact names and such.

Tired of getting punched in the mouth?
No one is saying that Jews weren't interned in camps

[ChumpDumper]

No one is saying that Jews weren't interned in campsWhat are you saying?

Step up.

[m>s]

What are you saying?

Step up.

im right here, step back

Jews were being send to Palestine with the help of he government up until the war broke out, those who remained behind at that point were out into internment camps like the Japanese and forced to work to help the war effort. Not just Jews but communists and anyone who could form a sort of fifth column, the nazis were worried about this after the stab in the back in the First World War.

As time went on rations got scarce and allied bombing destroyed German supply lines. Half of the country was starving and not just in the camps. Then typhus broke out and killed a lot of people and in order to stop the spread he bodies were incinerated. In all several hundred thousand Jews died due to the conditions but to systematically incinerate that many
people in that amount of time is mathematically impossible. It took 12 house to dispose of a body in those crematoriums which were not that big. There is no evidence or mountain of ash or bodies to support such an assertion that 6 million people were killed.

[ChumpDumper]

im right here, step back

Jews were being send to Palestine with the help of he government up until the war broke out, those who remained behind at that point were out into internment camps like the Japanese and forced to work to help the war effort. Not just Jews but communists and anyone who could form a sort of fifth column, the nazis were worried about this after the stab in the back in the First World War. They were worried about a myth?


As time went on rations got scarce and allied bombing destroyed German supply lines. Half of the country was starving and not just in the camps. Then typhus broke out and killed a lot of people and in order to stop the spread he bodies were incinerated. In all several hundred thousand Jews died due to the conditions but to systematically incinerate that many
people in that amount of time is mathematically impossible. It took 12 house to dispose of a body in those crematoriums which were not that big. There is no evidence or mountain of ash or bodies to support such an assertion that 6 million people were killed.Then where did they all go?

and lol at "mountains of ash" -- you act like there were no rivers in Europe.

[DMX7]

So they only killed them to stop the spread of Typhus?

How convenient that they are forced to kill all these people they totally rail against at every opportunity.

[m>s]

They didn't kill them, they died of starvation and typhus hence the need for crematoriums and the death camp myth was born

[ChumpDumper]

Why would you even try to deny the holocaust when you call for a day rope where you want thousands of people to be killed?

Pick a lane.

[DMX7]

They didn't kill them, they died of starvation and typhus hence the need for crematoriums and the death camp myth was born

Then why did they need Gas chambers if they were already dead???

[m>s]

Then why did they need Gas chambers if they were already dead???
There weren't gas chambers, there wee designated rooms for delousing clothing. The so called "gas chambers" weren't even airtight. They would've gassed the entire camp including guards and staff.

[m>s]

Why would you even try to deny the holocaust when you call for a day rope where you want thousands of people to be killed?

Pick a lane.
Traitors deserve nothing but merciless death, the Jews just needed to be deported

[pgardn]

They didn't kill them, they died of starvation and typhus hence the need for crematoriums and the death camp myth was born

No sir.

Thats clearly not what many died from. And the Germans around the camps new exactly what was going on.

[ChumpDumper]

Traitors deserve nothing but merciless death, the Jews just needed to be deportedYou just said the Germans considered them traitors after WWI.

Pick a lane.

[pgardn]

Traitors deserve nothing but merciless death, the Jews just needed to be deported

Traitors to what?
And then Who decides if one is a traitor?

[m>s]

You just said the Germans considered them traitors after WWI.Pick a lane.As a block yes but that doesn't mean they killed them off systematically or that I'd support that. It's like how not every jap was a spy, but since we didn't know they all went to the camp.

[m>s]

Traitors to what?And then Who decides if one is a traitor?To your nation, and the people will decide

[pgardn]

To your nation, and the people will decide

Whats MY nation?

[ChumpDumper]

As a block yes but that doesn't mean they killed them off systematically or that I'd support that. It's like how not every jap was a spy, but since we didn't know they all went to the camp.So where did all six million go if they were still alive?

[DMX7]

There weren't gas chambers, there wee designated rooms for delousing clothing. The so called "gas chambers" weren't even airtight. They would've gassed the entire camp including guards and staff.

They looked pretty air tight to me.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html

[m>s]

So where did all six million go if they were still alive?
They never existed

[ChumpDumper]

They never existedSo all their prewar records in multiple countries were faked?

[m>s]

They looked pretty air tight to me.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html
lol wooden doors

[m>s]

So all their prewar records in multiple countries were faked?
>communist country records

[ChumpDumper]

>communist country recordsThey weren't communist before the war.

[DMX7]

lol wooden doors

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Photos2005/EntranceDoor.jpg

That's wood? It looks like rusting metal. And look how thick the walls of the building are. lol delousing center.

[DMX7]

SS Officer Hans Stark:


At another, later gassing--also in autumn 1941--Grabner ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B--as already mentioned--was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.

Same link.

[Clipper Nation]

Let's pretend for the purpose of the argument that the deniers are right and the victims were "just" starved to death. How does that change anything in the grand scheme of things? It's still despicable, just like the Holodomor and the Great Leap Forward were despicable.

[hater]

So how many were actually gassed tbh?

I have a hard time believing a large portion of those 6 million suffered that fate tbh

I would say most died due to war, sickness and famine.

Not that it makes it any less wrong

[m>s]

They weren't communist before the war.
They were communist by the end of it and I wouldn't trust anything coming from there

[m>s]

Let's pretend for the purpose of the argument that the deniers are right and the victims were "just" starved to death. How does that change anything in the grand scheme of things? It's still despicable, just like the Holodomor and the Great Leap Forward were despicable.
It is terrible, but not intentional and there's a big difference in starving because you run out of supplies and being systematically gassed for fun

[m>s]

SS Officer Hans Stark:



Same link.
There were signs of torture on everyone who testified at Nuremberg and you had non English speaking Germans signing admissions of guilt written in English, it was a total kangaroo court and a joke

[ChumpDumper]

They were communist by the end of it and I wouldn't trust anything coming from thereSo your theory is they went back and created millions of false records from previous governments just to mess with the memory of an enemy they had already annihilated and completely defeated?

This is what you are trying to sell here?

[m>s]

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Photos2005/EntranceDoor.jpg

That's wood? It looks like rusting metal. And look how thick the walls of the building are. lol delousing center.

ill have to read the link when I get the chance in not sure which one that is, but some of the alleged gas chambers had wooden doors which is laughable. Some are admitted "reconstructions" of what they "did" look like before Muh nazis destroyed the evidence. Whole thing is a joke.

[m>s]

to mess with the memory of an enemy they had already annihilated and completely defeated
they wanted the political ideology of national socialism dead and destroyed so that it could never be a viable political choice ever again. They did this by associating it with unthinkable atrocities and evil. They proceeded to put all of Germany and Austria under a massive national brainwashing program called "denazification." National socialism put fear in the hearts of the global shadow government. That's why today the message everywhere is that nationalism = bad.

[DMX7]

There were signs of torture on everyone who testified at Nuremberg and you had non English speaking Germans signing admissions of guilt written in English, it was a total kangaroo court and a joke

He was never at the Nuremberg Trials.

[m>s]

You people act as if there isn't propaganda in war. You're all repeating 70 year old allied war propaganda. The soviets made up all kinds of lies such as electrocution before settling on gas chambers. They said the Germans massacred the polish officers in Katyn. Of course the victor is the one who writes history. You know there was a guy who went to the camps and took samples, no cyanide residue was found outside of the delousing room. I'll post more red pills later.

[Clipper Nation]

It is terrible, but not intentional
That's what all authoritarian regimes say while they're mass-killing people. The Soviets tried to pass off the Holodomor as "food difficulties," the Maoists pretended the Great Leap Forward's famines and starvation were the result of "bad weather" and "policy mistakes." We know now that both were planned and done on purpose.

I don't buy the deniers' claims that nobody was gassed, but even if that were the case, you'd have to be the biggest sucker on the planet to think that it was all a huge mistake. Just look at the track record of similar regimes who did mass-starve people to death. You don't march that many people into concentration camps just to kill them "by accident."

[m>s]

That's what all authoritarian regimes say while they're mass-killing people. The Soviets tried to pass off the Holodomor as "food difficulties," the Maoists pretended the Great Leap Forward's famines and starvation were the result of "bad weather" and "policy mistakes." We know now that both were planned and done on purpose.

I don't buy the deniers' claims that nobody was gassed, but even if that were the case, you'd have to be the biggest sucker on the planet to think that it was all a huge mistake. Just look at the track record of similar regimes who did mass-starve people to death. You don't march that many people into concentration camps just to kill them "by accident."
If the us was getting bombed to hell the same exact thing would've happened to the Japanese here. You put people there to keep them from sabotaging your country from within and to pull their weight for the war effort. Killing them doesn't even make sense then they could be used as labor which was the point.

[m>s]

You all have two choices:

A) the red pill
B) the red suppository

[DMX7]

Majdanek

https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-300a73690a20e0b1fd8eb010bf8b6671?convert_to_webp=t rue

[ChumpDumper]

they wanted the political ideology of national socialism dead and destroyed so that it could never be a viable political choice ever again. They did this by associating it with unthinkable atrocities and evil. They proceeded to put all of Germany and Austria under a massive national brainwashing program called "denazification." National socialism put fear in the hearts of the global shadow government. That's why today the message everywhere is that nationalism = bad.Since the murdered all those people, that particular form of nationalism was bad.

[ChumpDumper]

If the us was getting bombed to hell the same exact thing would've happened to the Japanese here. You put people there to keep them from sabotaging your country from within and to pull their weight for the war effort. Killing them doesn't even make sense then they could be used as labor which was the point.No one ever said Hitler and the Nazis were rational.

[m>s]

National socialism is the only political model built on rational thinking and the basic laws of nature. They were very rational.

[ChumpDumper]

National socialism is the only political model built on rational thinking and the basic laws of nature. They were very rational.Yeah, attacking Russia in winter -- totally rational.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, attacking Russia in winter -- totally rational.

:lol The non-aggression pact with Stalin to give him time to move all his manufacturing across the Urals.

[DMX7]

Yeah, attacking Russia in winter -- totally rational.

To be fair, they didn't start the war during the Winter... They just ridiculously thought that it would be over before then.

[m>s]

To be fair, they didn't start the war during the Winter... They just ridiculously thought that it would be over before then.
It would have if Italy didn't attack Greece

[hater]

The Germans made very illogical and grave mistakes. First they failed to land on Britain, which was very doable as Britain was very unready for a war at the beginning. Hitler's intelligence chief was either a double agent or an idiot and convinced Hitler landing in Britain was impossible. This caused Germany to fight on 2 fronts.

Then on the Eastern front Hitler's army was well on their way to Moscow but at last minute Hitler ordered a large portion of it to go near Kiev and take out about 450,000 Red Army soldiers. They did but it took time and by the time they went back towards Moscow the winter arrived and the German soldiers did not even have the proper clothing.

German army made a grave logistic mistake in the East and a grave intelligence mistake in the West. they are the ones to blame on this loss.

the rest of the credit must be given to the Red Army who did not care if 50,000 of their soldiers were wiped out in a matter of days. They would have a fresh 50,000 right behind them and so on and so forth. The Red Army kept coming in waves and tired out the Germans.

[Ignignokt]

The gas chamber at Auschwitz was an admitted reconstruction by the site's administrator, this was taped by David Cole in the 90's. There is no proof of there being gas chambers in Auschwitz that were used for mass extermination. Also Auschwitz had a pool and a hospital, soccer fields , etc. It even had a theater. Lel

[Ignignokt]

The gas chamber at Auschwitz was an admitted reconstruction by the site's administrator, this was taped by David Cole in the 90's. There is no proof of there being gas chambers in Auschwitz that were used for mass extermination. Also Auschwitz had a pool and a hospital, soccer fields , etc. It even had a theater. Lel

[hater]

Still waiting on the # of ppl gasssed tbh. Logistics tell me it couldn't have been in the millions. Or could it?

[m>s]

Not just logistics but if you look at the size of the crematoriums, the fact that it took 12 hours to fully incinerate a body, and the fact that they say the final solution didn't start until sometime in 43 it's just a mathematical impossibility

[m>s]

Also they keep having to downgrade the number of people killed at auschwitz. What did they say originally 1 million? I believe today the plaque reads 100,000

[ChumpDumper]

Not just logistics but if you look at the size of the crematoriums, the fact that it took 12 hours to fully incinerate a body, and the fact that they say the final solution didn't start until sometime in 43 it's just a mathematical impossibility12 hours? Are you trying to burn it with a book of matches?

[m>s]

thanks for pointing that out I got my numbers mixed up. 12 hours was the max amount of time that the crematoriums could run each day. It took several hours to cremate a body with the crematoriums they had back then but the larger bones could take substantially longer. The math just doesn't check out and this has been debunked.

[ChumpDumper]

thanks for pointing that out I got my numbers mixed up. 12 hours was the max amount of time that the crematoriums could run each day.Why?
It took several hours to cremate a body with the crematoriums they had back then but the larger bones could take substantially longer. The math just doesn't check out and this has been debunked.And your evidence of this is?

[DMX7]

The gas chamber at Auschwitz was an admitted reconstruction by the site's administrator, this was taped by David Cole in the 90's. There is no proof of there being gas chambers in Auschwitz that were used for mass extermination.

There are first hand accounts from SS officers who said there were. I already gave one example in this thread, Hans Stark.

[ChumpDumper]

lol gtown is also a holocaust denier?

It all makes sense now.

[m>s]

There are first hand accounts from SS officers who said there were. I already gave one example in this thread, Hans Stark.
confessions coerced via torture are not valid

[m>s]

Why?And your evidence of this is?
Why? Because you have to let it cool down in between cremations due to the temperatures required to do the job, crematoriums have a shelf life as it is

[ChumpDumper]

confessions coerced via torture are not validWhat is your evidence they were tortured?

[Splits]

confessions coerced via torture are not valid

I knew Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was innocent.

[ChumpDumper]

Why? Because you have to let it cool down in between cremations due to the temperatures required to do the job, crematoriums have a shelf life as it isSo steel foundries can work all day but burning human bodies is harder on equipment?

This is your argument?

[ChumpDumper]

And of course the gas chamber at Auschwitz is a re-creation. The Nazis destroyed the original when Himmler gave the order to start bugging out because the Red Army was coming down on them. Why destroy it if it was just a nice room for showers, etc.?

They didn't have time to destroy the ones in other camps though. Airtight doors and all.

[DMX7]

confessions coerced via torture are not valid

Where is the evidence of this?

[m>s]

What is your evidence they were tortured?
This is all well documented and many books have been written on the British torture centers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html

[m>s]

So steel foundries can work all day but burning human bodies is harder on equipment?

This is your argument?
even today they still do this, it was even more important back then, they weren't as hardy

is imperative that crematory operators allow a cool-down period between cremations because during the cremation cycle, the refractory lining absorbs heat. Overheating of the refractory walls, floor and arches can lead to premature ignition of the next case or result in a rate of combustion in excess of the unit's capacity. This can lead to visible emissions and pollution exiting the stack.
By properly cooling the chamber, you can prevent this from occurring and prevent premature refractory damage.
- See more at: https://www.iccfa.com/cremation/support/importance-cooling-down-your-cremator#sthash.igx2Yurd.dpuf

[ChumpDumper]

This is all well documented and many books have been written on the British torture centers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.htmlAnd the only mention concerning the camps is one guy who was acquitted....

[ChumpDumper]

even today they still do this, it was even more important back then, they weren't as hardy

is imperative that crematory operators allow a cool-down period between cremations because during the cremation cycle, the refractory lining absorbs heat. Overheating of the refractory walls, floor and arches can lead to premature ignition of the next case or result in a rate of combustion in excess of the unit's capacity. This can lead to visible emissions and pollution exiting the stack.
By properly cooling the chamber, you can prevent this from occurring and prevent premature refractory damage.
- See more at: https://www.iccfa.com/cremation/support/importance-cooling-down-your-cremator#sthash.igx2Yurd.dpufSo there was no way any Germans could make a better crematorium that could be used more often than the commercial crematorium you are trying to say Germans used in concentration camps?

What is your evidence they were less hardy?

[m>s]

And the only mention concerning the camps is one guy who was acquitted....
Germans were tortured to confess to crazy things period

[ChumpDumper]

Here is a memo from the manufacturer of the ovens stating the daily capacity of the ovens.


I told him that at this time 3 double-muffle ovens are in operation, with a capacity of 250 per day. Further, currently under construction are 5 triple muffle ovens with a daily capacity of 800. Today and in the next few days, 2 eight-muffle ovens, each with a daily capacity of 800, will come on consignment, redirected from Mogilew.

Mr K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible.http://web.archive.org/web/20120401191409/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

So each muffle could burn about 40 bodies a day. Seems like they built a pretty hardy oven.

[ChumpDumper]

Germans were tortured to confess to crazy things periodBut where is your evidence all their confessions about the camps were coerced?

[DMX7]

Germans were tortured to confess to crazy things period

I only gave one example (I could give plenty more), but you failed to prove it was a coerced confession.

Hans Stark, who said explicitly that he gassed people at Auschwitz, was never captured by the British.

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes

Holocaust deniers...and Netanyahu is as right wing as it gets....he is a Neo-con

[Clipper Nation]

:rolleyes

Holocaust deniers...and Netanyahu is as right wing as it gets....he is a Neo-con

As idiotic as Holocaust deniers are, aren't you a 9/11 twoofer? You're just as bad.

[hater]

:rolleyes

Holocaust deniers...and Netanyahu is as right wing as it gets....he is a Neo-con

Not by Israeli standards he is not

[pgardn]

Not by Israeli standards he is not

With this latest attempt to... I'm guessing... To use Islamaphobia on the Europeans, I would dare say he has put himself in another category. He is getting beat up in world wide press as well as in Israel. This was a gaffe of gigantic proportions. Its really in another time zone. Angela Merkel is standing next to him basically saying," no, that's a big no".

[Ignignokt]

So there was no way any Germans could make a better crematorium that could be used more often than the commercial crematorium you are trying to say Germans used in concentration camps?

What is your evidence they were less hardy?

which internment camps used gas chambers?

[Ignignokt]

lol gtown is also a holocaust denier?

It all makes sense now.

It is isn't always all or nothing. History is nuanced. Too nuanced for a UTSA education and toros photographer.

[ChumpDumper]

which internment camps used gas chambers?Are you saying none of them did?


It is isn't always all or nothing. History is nuanced. Too nuanced for a UTSA education and toros photographer.Go ahead and explain the nuance here. Step up.

[Ignignokt]

Are you saying none of them did?

Go ahead and explain the nuance here. Step up.

Don't dodge the question, which internment camps had gas chambers?

[m>s]

I want to know which ones had the electrocution chambers where they filled it with water and made them stand in it, that's what the soviets said

[m>s]

King kike already hinted at hitler dindu nuffin, you can't argue with the head Jew. Red pill dumping will now commence

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445510910519.jpg

[m>s]

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445511119305.jpg

[m>s]

I always like to start on the russian occupation of poland.

After the end of the war the first claims were that all labor camps were death camps. (according to the russians) Who didn't have a strong track record of not killing jews.

Then after all the US inspectors got into camps, they found that none of the ones they inspected were death camps, but still may reports of death camps in poland.

Did the russians continue killing the jews that fled russia during the great purge? Did they do this, knowing that once they took poland they could pin it on the nazis? Why would they do this in the first place.

If you're going to be info graphics, they need to be concise and very pointed. What you have is a chart that's essentially random facts about auschwitz. Any facility that houses a large inmate population would have had those facilities. It doesn't prove it wasn't a death camp, just that it had a number of facilities.

[m>s]

Nuremberg Show Trials
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_show_trials (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.metapedia.org%2Fwiki%2 FNuremberg_show_trials)

The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust
http://www.patriot.dk/nurnberg1.html (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patriot.dk%2Fnurnberg 1.html)
http://www.patriot.dk/nurnberg2.html (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patriot.dk%2Fnurnberg 2.html)

Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 1
Article 19
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp#art19 (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Favalon.law.yale.edu%2Fimt %2Fimtconst.asp%23art19)
>The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.

Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 1
Article 21
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp#art21 (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Favalon.law.yale.edu%2Fimt %2Fimtconst.asp%23art21)
>The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.

Not Guilty at Nuremberg - Carlos W. Porter
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/CPeng.pdf (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vho.org%2Faaargh%2Ffr an%2Flivres3%2FCPeng.pdf)

Nuremberg: The Last Battle - David Irving
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres4/DInur.pdf (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvho.org%2Faaargh%2Ffran%2 Flivres4%2FDInur.pdf)

Jew Run Nuremberg Show Trial
https://trutube.tv/video/27673/Jew-Run-Nuremberg-Show-Trial-Nazis-made-human-skin-hand-bags-and-slippers (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrutube.tv%2Fvideo%2F276 73%2FJew-Run-Nuremberg-Show-Trial-Nazis-made-human-skin-hand-bags-and-slippers)

Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ihr.org%2Fjhr%2Fv19%2 Fv19n3p20_radar.html)

Scientific works that Jews have shut down
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p21_thesis.html (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ihr.org%2Fjhr%2Fv19%2 Fv19n3p21_thesis.html)

Here's the 1946 ICRC report, by the way: https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1223 (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.codoh.com%2Fdownlo ad%2Ffile.php%3Fid%3D1223)
Unlike the 1948 report, it does not include the claims made at the Nuremberg trials, such as the "human skin lampshades" and "shrunken heads".
Sorry it's in French, but the English copy does not seem to exist online.
Does not mention gassing or deliberate genocide. Plenty of info about typhus though.

[m>s]

(http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445520958318.png)

Turns out there were no mass graves at Treblinka, despite all of the "eyewitnesses" claiming there were.
http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445520958318.png

[m>s]

I've done days of research because shills were being so dishonest about it.

Here are most easy to understand redpill holohoax info and videos (at least they were most informative to me). No way you will believe the holohoax after you vet this information, don't blindly believe it research yourself. There are several sites dedicated to "bysting denial myths", see for yourself how dishonest and manipulative jew minds are

Most concise video presenting some arguments and debates about free speech and revisionism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uJEE3thwmk (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch% 3Fv%3D1uJEE3thwmk) [Open]

Other very redpilling videos

https://trutube.tv/video/29180/The-Majdanek-Gas-Chamber-Myth (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrutube.tv%2Fvideo%2F291 80%2FThe-Majdanek-Gas-Chamber-Myth)

https://trutube.tv/video/4412/Auschwitz-Why-The-Gas-Chambers-Are-A-Myth-full (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrutube.tv%2Fvideo%2F441 2%2FAuschwitz-Why-The-Gas-Chambers-Are-A-Myth-full)

https://trutube.tv/video/23849/The-Treblinka-Archaeology-Hoax (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrutube.tv%2Fvideo%2F238 49%2FThe-Treblinka-Archaeology-Hoax)

https://trutube.tv/video/2345/ONE-THIRD-of-the-HOLOCAUST-full-video (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrutube.tv%2Fvideo%2F234 5%2FONE-THIRD-of-the-HOLOCAUST-full-video)


concentration camps : myth vs reality

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndGraf.html (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vho.org%2FGB%2FBooks% 2Fdth%2FfndGraf.html)

Aushwitz death certificates

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ihr.org%2Fleaflets%2F auschwitz.shtml)

Scientific works that Jews have shut down

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p21_thesis.html (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ihr.org%2Fjhr%2Fv19%2 Fv19n3p21_thesis.html)


Beyond these you can read books, but videos and articles are so much more approachable

[m>s]

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445521193402.png

[m>s]

Oy vey! How cruel of the natzis to help her back to health just so she could be gassed again!

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445522146262.png

[clambake]

how does one narrowly escape a gas chamber that doesn't exist?

[m>s]

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1445524582971.jpg

[DMX7]

As I have already mentioned, the first gassing was carried out in the small crematorium in autumn 1941. Grabner ordered me to go to the crematorium [at Auschwitz] in order to check numbers, just as I had had to do with the shootings. About 200–250 Jewish men, women and children of all ages were standing at the crematorium. There may also have been babies there. There were a great many SS members present, though I could not say what their names were, plus the camp commandant, the Schutzhaftlagerführer, several Blockführer, Grabner and also other members of the Political Department. Nothing was said to the Jews. They were merely ordered to enter the gas-chamber, the door of which was open. While the Jews were going into the room, medical orderlies prepared for the gassing. Earth had been piled up against one of the external walls of the gassing room to ceiling height so that the medical orderlies could get on to the roof of the room. After all the Jews were in the chamber the door was bolted and the medical orderlies poured Zyklon B through the openings...

-Hans Stark, SS Officer, never captured by the British and never at the Nuremberg Trials.

[m>s]

Here's something that may interest you:

This is the 1946 International Committee of the Red Cross report on the Nazi Concentration Camps: https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1223 (http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.codoh.com%2Fdownlo ad%2Ffile.php%3Fid%3D1223)

Unlike the 1948 report, it does _not_ include the claims made at the Nuremberg trials, such as the "human skin lampshades" and "shrunken heads", and such rubbish. It does not mention anything at all about gassing or deliberate genocide. It also clearly states the high death rate from Typhus late in the war.


Sorry it's in French, but the English copy does not seem to exist online.

[m>s]

-Hans Stark, SS Officer, never captured by the British and never at the Nuremberg Trials.
He cut a deal and got only 10 years

[DMX7]

He cut a deal and got only 10 years

That's not evidence he lied.

[m>s]

He said what they wanted in exchange for a lighter sentence. Guy says he mass mirdered people and shit them dead and gets 10 years, get out

[m>s]

I'm handing out the red suppository today, bend over and grab your ankles. Some people just can't swallow the red pill but that's ok, we've got options.

[DMX7]

He said what they wanted in exchange for a lighter sentence. Guy says he mass mirdered people and shit them dead and gets 10 years, get out

That's still not evidence he lied.

You'll need actual evidence to support your claim that he is lying -- desperate innuendo is not evidence.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't dodge the question, which internment camps had gas chambers?As far as I know, they weren't able to destroy the ones at Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and Majdanek. Of course they blew up the one at Auschwitz.

Now tell us all your great nuanced thoughts on the Holocaust. Don't dodge.

[m>s]

The allies mass torture program invalidates any testimony given to them, sorry

[DMX7]

The allies mass torture program invalidates any testimony given to them, sorry

Hans Stark was charged at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials... in Frankfurt... under German criminal law...

[ChumpDumper]

The allies mass torture program invalidates any testimony given to them, sorryYou have already been given the testimony of one who worked in the camps and was never tortured by anyone, sorry.

[Ignignokt]

As far as I know, they weren't able to destroy the ones at Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and Majdanek. Of course they blew up the one at Auschwitz.

Now tell us all your great nuanced thoughts on the Holocaust. Don't dodge.

^ There's no evidence that they ever did have that gas chamber, the auschwitz site administrator said it was a soviet reconstruction from an old bomb shelter. As far as you know is not sufficient evidence nor an argument. Dachau chambers were a reconstructed hoax, it was used by allied propaganda, the only historian to tackle this was David Irving who is highly credentialed, and as a british subject knew German well enough and accessed Hitler's documents to shed lots of light on the history of that era.

[Ignignokt]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html

[Ignignokt]

Gas chambers at Dachau... but no zyklon b blue stains on the wall from use. LOLOL !!

[ChumpDumper]

^ There's no evidence that they ever did have that gas chamber, the auschwitz site administrator said it was a soviet reconstruction from an old bomb shelter. As far as you know is not sufficient evidence nor an argument. Dachau chambers were a reconstructed hoax, it was used by allied propaganda, the only historian to tackle this was David Irving who is highly credentialed, and as a british subject knew German well enough and accessed Hitler's documents to shed lots of light on the history of that era.lol stormfront gtown

Everything about you and m<s makes sense now.

[Ignignokt]

How did you study it if your didn't study the official textbooks? Did you get your information from random internet posters?

And please tell us more about what really happened. :lol

Official Textbooks

>Textbooks
>Literally Basic Bitch Cliff Notes
>Condensed material, next page trail of tears
>UTSA Faggot

[Ignignokt]

lol stormfront gtown

Everything about you and m<s makes sense now.

Not an argument, ad hominem attack etc.

Whottt is rolling in his grave. If you cared about his legacy, you wouldn't be a sleazy dishonest twat when it comes to discussing politics.

[DMX7]

^ There's no evidence that they ever did have that gas chamber, the auschwitz site administrator said it was a soviet reconstruction from an old bomb shelter. As far as you know is not sufficient evidence nor an argument. Dachau chambers were a reconstructed hoax, it was used by allied propaganda, the only historian to tackle this was David Irving who is highly credentialed, and as a british subject knew German well enough and accessed Hitler's documents to shed lots of light on the history of that era.


SS Officer Hans Stark:


At another, later gassing--also in autumn 1941--Grabner ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening [of the Auschwitz gas chamber] because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B--as already mentioned--was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.


Same link.

[ChumpDumper]

dupe

[ChumpDumper]

Not an argument, ad hominem attack etc.

Whottt is rolling in his grave. If you cared about his legacy, you wouldn't be a sleazy dishonest twat when it comes to discussing politics.OK, what are historian David Irving's credentials?

Let's start there.

[Ignignokt]

testimony has to account for material physical facts. There were no zyklon b stains found at the dachau chambers.

[Ignignokt]

OK, what are historian David Irving's credentials?

Let's start there.

Google is your friend. Give me a pertinent question that matters.

[ChumpDumper]

Google is your friend. Give me a pertinent question that matters.You claim he is highly credentialed.

What are those credentials? Don't dodge the question.

[ChumpDumper]

testimony has to account for material physical facts. There were no zyklon b stains found at the dachau chambers.How long does it take to make Prussian Blue stains?

[ChumpDumper]

Is it the same highly credentialed David Irving who composed this nursery rhyme for his daughter:

I am a Baby Aryan, Not Jewish or Sectarian. I have no plans to marry an ape or Rastafarian.

Does that count among his credentials to you?

[DMX7]

Is it the same highly credentialed David Irving who composed this nursery rhyme for his daughter:

I am a Baby Aryan, Not Jewish or Sectarian. I have no plans to marry an ape or Rastafarian.

Does that count among his credentials to you?

:bobo

[Ignignokt]

You claim he is highly credentialed.

What are those credentials? Don't dodge the question.

Argumentum ad naseum.

Wiki and move on, next question.

[ChumpDumper]

Argumentum ad naseum.

Wiki and move on, next question.Sorry, you made a claim -- now back it up. Very simple.

I have seen nothing to suggest he is a highly credentialed historian.

Your claim is he is highly credentialed -- what are his credentials?

[m>s]

Hans Stark was charged at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trials... in Frankfurt... under German criminal law...


You have already been given the testimony of one who worked in the camps and was never tortured by anyone, sorry.

tried by a puppet government put in place by the military occupiers of Germany. A confession made in order to get a 10 year reduced sentence.

[ChumpDumper]

tried by a puppet government put in place by the military occupiers of Germany. A confession made in order to get a 10 year reduced sentence.lol that's the weakest goalpost more you have ever attempted. He received the maximum sentence possible.

[m>s]

>confess to shooting hundreds of people point blank
>get a 10 year sentence in a country that hunts down elderly cooks and janitors at the camps to lock them up

Yeah they cut a deal. They'd have just killed him or the Mossad would've kidnapped him like all the others to stand trial in Israel. His "confession" means shit.

[ChumpDumper]

>confess to shooting hundreds of people point blank
>get a 10 year sentence in a country that hunts down elderly cooks and janitors at the camps to lock them upThe maximum sentence he could get under the laws he was tried.


Yeah they cut a deal. They'd have just killed him or the Mossad would've kidnapped him like all the others to stand trial in Israel. His "confession" means shit.He was tried and found guilty.

[m>s]

He gave them what they wanted for a 10 year sentence and not being kidnapped by the Mossad

[ChumpDumper]

He gave them what they wanted for a 10 year sentence and not being kidnapped by the MossadHe was given the maximum sentence allowed and you just made up the Mossad angle.

[m>s]

He was given the maximum sentence allowed and you just made up the Mossad angle.
No, the Mossad kidnaps "ex nazis" literally

[ChumpDumper]

No, the Mossad kidnaps "ex nazis" literallyYou made it up here. It's not like this guy was in hiding.

[m>s]

No because he cut a deal

[DMX7]

No because he cut a deal

Not with prosecutors.

He was tried, found guilty, and received the maximum sentence allowed under the law for a minor (which he was at the time of his offense).

[m>s]

In a fixed case

[ChumpDumper]

No because he cut a dealNo deal was cut.


In a fixed caseWhat is your evidence the case was fixed?

[m>s]

I have inside information

keep cuckposting

[ChumpDumper]

I have inside information

keep cuckpostingOh, double secret inside information about something you never heard of until yesterday!

The last refuge of the cucked wannabe Nazi.

[m>s]

>never heard about

top kuk

[Ignignokt]

Oh, double secret inside information about something you never heard of until yesterday!

The last refuge of the cucked wannabe Nazi.

Un original spiel stealing worthless cuck.

[ChumpDumper]

Un original spiel stealing worthless cuck.
You will do anything to avoid questions.

[Ignignokt]

You will do anything to avoid questions.

Ironic huh

[ChumpDumper]

Ironic huhNope. I answered all yours.

I got you both stammering and salty. You should try to find more support. Maybe have David Irving write a poem for you.

[Ignignokt]

Shit i guess netanyahu is a white nationalist lol and denies the holocaust too.

Anyone that questions the official narrative is a holocaust denier according to people with shitty arguments.

[Ignignokt]

Nope. I answered all yours.

I got you both stammering and salty. You should try to find more support. Maybe have David Irving write a poem for you.

Did the supposed gas chambers that were used to kill people in these internment camps have signs of zyklon stains in them, yes or no?

[Ignignokt]

the original auschwitz chamber doors

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7vlzkM_ByA8/VRWEgmKzIfI/AAAAAAAAS-s/UO9B71dvN5E/s1600/Cv1AyUm.png

kek

[ChumpDumper]

Did the supposed gas chambers that were used to kill people in these internment camps have signs of zyklon stains in them, yes or no?Use of Zylkon B does not inevitably lead to Prussian Blue stains. They were more likely to be seen in the delousing rooms since that process took much longer than just killing folk.

[ChumpDumper]

Shit i guess netanyahu is a white nationalist lol and denies the holocaust too.

Anyone that questions the official narrative is a holocaust denier according to people with shitty arguments.What are David Irving's credentials?

All I could see was that he sued someone who said he was a shitty historian and lost. Is this the same guy or do you have a guy with really great credentials as an historian.

[Wild Cobra]

:wow

and this guy is considered a "moderate" in Israeli politics :lol

can you imagine the right leaning Israelis :wow

scary

I do believe there is strong evidence that what he said is factual.

[ChumpDumper]

the original auschwitz chamber doors

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7vlzkM_ByA8/VRWEgmKzIfI/AAAAAAAAS-s/UO9B71dvN5E/s1600/Cv1AyUm.png

kekOh, an interior door? What does the exterior door look like?

[Ignignokt]

Use of Zylkon B does not inevitably lead to Prussian Blue stains. They were more likely to be seen in the delousing rooms since that process took much longer than just killing folk.


impossible, 4 gorrillion sheckel horders were massacred der!!

Anyway, did they only use one can of zyklon b, or maybe the free sample from Macy's to gas 4 gorillion of your relatives?

[ChumpDumper]

impossible, 4 gorrillion sheckel horders were massacred der!!

Anyway, did they only use one can of zyklon b, or maybe the free sample from Macy's to gas 4 gorillion of your relatives?How long does it take for the Prussian Blue reaction to take place? Give me a ball park figure from your extensive research.

[Ignignokt]

Oh, an interior door? What does the exterior door look like?

either weren't airtight.

[ChumpDumper]

either weren't airtight.No picture of the exterior door?

[Wild Cobra]

An interesting read:

http://spectator.org/blog/64436/lets-not-pretend-haj-amin-al-husseini-didnt-support-holocaust



While there is literature that suggests Husseini played a far bigger role in the Holocaust, I think it is a subject which needs to be more explored far more exhaustively before someone like Netanyahu declares it to be fact.


Maybe Netanyahu has read all the material surrounding it.

To dismiss what he says out if ignorance and/or disbelief is not good.

[m>s]

David Irving >> David kimbrell IMHO

[ChumpDumper]

David Irving >> David kimbrell IMHONever met either.

Maybe you can help gtown out and tell us about Irving's credentials.

[m>s]

He was actually a really respected historian before he rocked the boat on the holocaust and then they assassinated his character. Even Wikipedia admits this. The guy has written over 30 best selling books.

[ChumpDumper]

He was actually a really respected historian before he rocked the boat on the holocaust and then they assassinated his character. Even Wikipedia admits this. The guy has written over 30 best selling books.What are his credentials?

You guys keep avoiding this question.

All I see is that he was proved to be a shitty historian in a court of law and wrote racist nursery rhymes.

[DMX7]

An interesting read:

http://spectator.org/blog/64436/lets-not-pretend-haj-amin-al-husseini-didnt-support-holocaust



While there is literature that suggests Husseini played a far bigger role in the Holocaust, I think it is a subject which needs to be more explored far more exhaustively before someone like Netanyahu declares it to be fact.


Maybe Netanyahu has read all the material surrounding it.

To dismiss what he says out if ignorance and/or disbelief is not good.

You have to be ignorant to believe what he says in the first place.

You really think that's the reason Hitler decided to kill the Jews?

Hitler had no problem killing men, women, and children of any race or religion if they were born autistic, mentally ill, with physical handicaps, etc.

"Lebensunwertes Leben" (translated: life unworthy of life) -- The term used to describe those didn't live up to the Aryan ideal according to the Nazis and were thus often selected to be "euthanized".

[Splits]

An interesting read:

http://spectator.org/blog/64436/lets-not-pretend-haj-amin-al-husseini-didnt-support-holocaust


While there is literature that suggests Husseini played a far bigger role in the Holocaust, I think it is a subject which needs to be more explored far more exhaustively before someone like Netanyahu declares it to be fact.


Maybe Netanyahu has read all the material surrounding it.

To dismiss what he says out if ignorance and/or disbelief is not good.

Wow... Just...

wow...

[Wild Cobra]

You have to be ignorant to believe what he says in the first place.

You really think that's the reason Hitler decided to kill the Jews?

Hitler had no problem killing men, women, and children of any race or religion if they were born autistic, mentally ill, with physical handicaps, etc.

"Lebensunwertes Leben" (translated: life unworthy of life) -- The term used to describe those didn't live up to the Aryan ideal according to the Nazis and were thus often selected to be "euthanized".

Do you think that a suggestion to do so by a trusted adviser wouldn't be considered?

The thread title is wrong in absolving Hitler, but to believe Husseini didn't suggest such a plan is stupid. It is very plausible that he did just that.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow... Just...

wow...

LOL...

Wow...

Just wow...

How flattering you wish to copy what I say!

[hater]

Don't buy it. Hitler had already killed tens of thousands of Jews before meeting anyone. It's stupid to think an outsider injected the most nefarious and attrocious idea to the third Reich


It's actually stupid to think so :lmao

[pgardn]

This is a rehashing of something Jews and so many other people that were there thought the Nazis would try.
Deny.

Thats why so much time was taken to organize all the facts the Nazis themselves compiled as well as tons of other evidence. It's also strange that All the Holocaust survivors in all the different camps were just witnessing isolated events I guess. All those relatives that did not make it were just due poor memory. Massive poor memory...

[DMX7]

Do you think that a suggestion to do so by a trusted adviser wouldn't be considered?

The thread title is wrong in absolving Hitler, but to believe Husseini didn't suggest such a plan is stupid. It is very plausible that he did just that.

Plausibility is not proof. The guy murdered political opponents, physically and mentally handicapped people almost at will. There is no reason to believe he needed someone else to suggest to him that he should kill the Jews before he actually started doing it. That's totally ridiculous and that's why he's been almost universally condemned.

[m>s]

Night of the long knives was justified to save Germany, they didn't kill the disabled they sterilized them stop lying

[ChumpDumper]

Night of the long knives was justified to save Germany, they didn't kill the disabled they sterilized them stop lyingNope, there are clear records of at least 70,000 murders of those deemed unfit to live under the T4 program.

[m>s]

Got a real source?

[ChumpDumper]

Got a real source?Yeah, the Nazis.

[ChumpDumper]

Shit, even David Irving acknowledges T4.

[boutons_deux]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan


http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/the_truth_about_jerusalems_grand_mufti_hitler_and_ the_holocaust

[Wild Cobra]

Plausibility is not proof. The guy murdered political opponents, physically and mentally handicapped people almost at will. There is no reason to believe he needed someone else to suggest to him that he should kill the Jews before he actually started doing it. That's totally ridiculous and that's why he's been almost universally condemned.

So you agree. Qaddafi didn't order the Pan Am bombing.

[ChumpDumper]

So you agree. Qaddafi didn't order the Pan Am bombing.What does this have to do with anything?

[Wild Cobra]

What does this have to do with anything?

LOL...

How many people, with no better evidence, were absolutely certain that Qaddafi committed that crime?

I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

How many people, with no better evidence, were absolutely certain that Qaddafi committed that crime?

I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy.What is the evidence someone else ordered it?

[m>s]

Yeah, the Nazis.
That's not a source

[Wild Cobra]

What is the evidence someone else ordered it?

Strawman alert...

Care to rephrase that?

[ChumpDumper]

That's not a sourceOf course Nazis are sources. They provided most of the evidence. Even David Irving uses them as sources.


Strawman alert...

Care to rephrase that?Not really -- your implication is that Qaddafi didn't order the bombing.

What is the evidence someone else ordered it?

[DMX7]

So you agree.

I don't agree with you. That much should be clear. And I'm not going to get sidetracked into a whole different discussion.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't agree with you. That much should be clear. And I'm not going to get sidetracked into a whole different discussion.Just as well. He doesn't seem to know what he is saying.

[m>s]

Of course Nazis are sources. They provided most of the evidence. Even David Irving uses them as sources.

Not really -- your implication is that Qaddafi didn't order the bombing.

What is the evidence someone else ordered it?so I guess you don't have an actual source for your false claim

[Wild Cobra]

Not really -- your implication is that Qaddafi didn't order the bombing.

What is the evidence someone else ordered it?

No.

I only contend there is no proof he did.

Where did I imply someone else ordered the holocaust outside of Hitler? That's your own lack of reading comprehension and your biased view to find what you want to see.

You are probably the best strawman builder in these forums. Don't you even recognize it?

Are you that good, or that stupid?

[ChumpDumper]

so I guess you don't have an actual source for your false claimThere is extensive documentation on the subject. Even David Irving agrees.

[ChumpDumper]

No.

I only contend there is no proof he did.There is plenty of evidence he did -- just not airtight proof. If he didn't, someone else did.

Do you think someone else did?

Yes or no.

Simple question.


Where did I imply someone else ordered the holocaust outside of Hitler? That's your own lack of reading comprehension and your biased view to find what you want to see.See, that's a straw man.


You are probably the best strawman builder in these forums. Don't you even recognize it?

Are you that good, or that stupid?I think you just proved that you are that stupid. Show me proof that I implied anything about Hitler in my posts to you.

Then apologize when you can't.

[Wild Cobra]

There is plenty of evidence he did -- just not airtight proof. If he didn't, someone else did.

Exactly. Evidence is not proof.



Do you think someone else did?

Yes or no.

I don't know if someone else ordered it, but two men were convicted of it. Maybe they acted on their own.



Show me proof that I implied anything about Hitler in my posts to you.

Technically, you have me on that one. Isn't your position that Netanyahu was wrong? The way you use strawmen, I was sure you were taking the position of claiming I said someone else ordered the holocaust.

Maybe nobody ordered the Pan Am bombing, so maybe you can see why I thought you meant Hitler. We know Hitler ordered the mass murdering. We don't know if anyone order the Pan Am bombing.

So either way you slice it, you built a strawman.

[m>s]

There is extensive documentation on the subject. Even David Irving agrees.
You didn't even know who David Irving was yesterday, post documentation.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly. Evidence is not proof.So?



I don't know if someone else ordered it, but two men were convicted of it. Maybe they acted on their own.Why?



Technically, you have me on that one. Isn't your position that Netanyahu was wrong? The way you use strawmen, I was sure you were taking the position of claiming I said someone else ordered the holocaust.You're all over the place.


Maybe nobody ordered the Pan Am bombing, so maybe you can see why I thought you meant Hitler. We know Hitler ordered the mass murdering. We don't know if anyone order the Pan Am bombing.Seeing the bombers' connections to the Libyan government, the evidence has mounted on the side of its being ordered.


So either way you slice it, you built a strawman.That was you.

[ChumpDumper]

You didn't even know who David Irving was yesterday, post documentation.Why do you not believe David Irving now? You were so gung ho on him yesterday when yo first heard of him.

[pgardn]

Still waiting on the # of ppl gasssed tbh. Logistics tell me it couldn't have been in the millions. Or could it?

Yes indeed.

Germany and the Nazis were just incompetent from a logistical point of view. One country took over the whole of Europe and almost a great deal of Russia but all of the sudden they become unable to carry out a holocaust.

Jesus...

[m>s]

Why do you not believe David Irving now? You were so gung ho on him yesterday when yo first heard of him.
David (Irving, not kimbrell) is the man

now post docs cuck

[pgardn]

Exactly. Evidence is not proof.


I don't know if someone else ordered it, but two men were convicted of it. Maybe they acted on their own.


Technically, you have me on that one. Isn't your position that Netanyahu was wrong? The way you use strawmen, I was sure you were taking the position of claiming I said someone else ordered the holocaust.

Maybe nobody ordered the Pan Am bombing, so maybe you can see why I thought you meant Hitler. We know Hitler ordered the mass murdering. We don't know if anyone order the Pan Am bombing.

So either way you slice it, you built a strawman.

We rely on evidence for most of what we do not witness.

Everyonce in a very long while I begin to think you are sane...
But you bring me back to the evidence that you are not.

[ChumpDumper]

David (Irving, not kimbrell) is the man

now post docs cuckIf you think David Irving is the man, then you agree with his assessment of the Nazi euthanasia program?

Yes or no.

[m>s]

If you think David Irving is the man, then you agree with his assessment of the Nazi euthanasia program?

Yes or no.stop stalling and post proof

[ChumpDumper]

stop stalling and post proofProof that David Irving believes the Nazis euthanized thousands of Germans?

[m>s]

Proof that David Irving believes the Nazis euthanized thousands of Germans?

post proof to back up your own assertion or you're admitting you were just talking out of your ass

[ChumpDumper]

But it was not until the end of 1938 that Hitler was directly involved in any euthanasia decisions, and then it was in “mercy killing,” rather than the infinitely more controversial blanket program to eliminate the insane. Bouhler’s Chancellery had repeatedly submitted to him appeals from patients in intolerable pain, or from their doctors, asking Hitler to exercise the Head of State’s prerogative of mercy and permit the doctor to terminate the patient’s life without fear of criminal proceedings. When Hitler received such an appeal from the parents of a malformed, blind, and imbecile boy born in Leipzig, he sent Dr. Brandt early in 1939 to examine the child, and on hearing the doctor’s horrifying description of the pathetic case, he authorized the doctors to put him to sleep ; at the same time he orally authorized Bouhler and Brandt to act accordingly in any similar cases in the future. A ministerial decree was eventually passed in August 1939 requiring all midwives and nurses to report to the local health office the details of such deformed newborn babies ; a panel of three assessors judged each case, and if all three agreed, the infant was procured from the parents either by deception or by compulsion and quietly put away with as little pain to the child and sorrowing parents as possible. From a theological expert(6) Hitler had in 1939 secured formal assurances that the church need not be expected to raise basic objections to euthanasia. Perhaps as many as five thousand children were eventually disposed of in this way.
The “mercy killing” of the few was followed by the programmed elimination of the burdensome tens of thousands of insane ; and all this was but a platform for far wider campaigns of extermination on which the Reich was to embark now that it was at war.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/1977/html_chapter/01.html

Yep, even David Irving knows that Hitler ordered the murder of thousands of disabled people.

[m>s]

You said there were actual documents proving this, don't post some copy pasta of s guy you said was a fraud post the docs

[ChumpDumper]

You said there were actual documents proving this, don't post some copy pasta of s guy you said was a fraud post the docsSo you disagree with David "The Man" Irving?

Why?

[m>s]

So you disagree with David "The Man" Irving?

Why?post proofs David

[ChumpDumper]

post proofs DavidWhy do you disagree with David Irving, David?

[m>s]

Post proof

[ChumpDumper]

Post proofWhat proof would satisfy you?

[m>s]

What proof would satisfy you?
The documents that you said exist to support your claim

[ChumpDumper]

The documents that you said exist to support your claimHere's one:

http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1528

[DMX7]

You said there were actual documents proving this, don't post some copy pasta of s guy you said was a fraud post the docs

You can start with the Harthiem Document.


[The Hartheim Document] was a 39-page brochure produced for the internal purposes of the Nazi euthanasia programme (Aktion T4), and contained monthly statistics of the gassing of mentally and physically handicapped patients (called "disinfection" in the document) carried out in the six euthanasia institutions on the territory of the Reich. In 1968 and 1970 an ex-employee of the establishment revealed, as a witness, that he had to compile the material at the end of 1942. The Hartheim statistics included a page on which it was calculated that "disinfecting 70,273 people with a life expectation of 10 years" had saved food in the value of 141,775,573.80 Reichsmarks.

-Wikipedia

Excerpt from Hartheim Statistics, listing killings and resulting savings:

http://gedenkstaettesteinhof.at/sites/default/files/field/image/79.jpg

[m>s]

Here's one:

http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=1528
We have Doctor assisted suicide today

[m>s]

You can start with the Harthiem Document.



-Wikipedia

Excerpt from Hartheim Statistics, listing killings and resulting savings:

http://gedenkstaettesteinhof.at/sites/default/files/field/image/79.jpg
Fake and gay

[ChumpDumper]

We have Doctor assisted suicide todayHitler approved doctor assisted homicide.

[DMX7]

Fake and gay

Prove it.

[m>s]

Prove it.
Prove it

[DMX7]

Prove it

I've provided documentation. You've provided nothing.

[m>s]

Fake document and wiki as a source doesn't prove anything

[m>s]

Hitler approved doctor assisted homicide.
Nowhere did it say that

[Wild Cobra]

We rely on evidence for most of what we do not witness.

Everyonce in a very long while I begin to think you are sane...
But you bring me back to the evidence that you are not.

So...

Do you know, with no doubt, that Qaddafi ordered the bombing?

Do you know, with no doubt, that Hitler wasn't swayed by Husseini do start extermination?

I would ask what is your proof?

I think I'm the only sane one here, since I am skeptical, and keep an open mind.

[Wild Cobra]

stop stalling and post proof

He has no proof.

[Wild Cobra]

You said there were actual documents proving this, don't post some copy pasta of s guy you said was a fraud post the docs

Chump may have no actual proof of those specific events, but you support for the Nazis is appalling.

There is plenty of proof that the holocaust did happen.

The intent of this thread is to show others were involved in Hitler's decision making, whether that is true or not.

[DMX7]

Fake document and wiki as a source doesn't prove anything

Not proof its fake; and Wiki is sourced from OTHER sources.

[pgardn]

So...



Do you know, with no doubt, that Hitler wasn't swayed by Husseini do start extermination?



.

Yes.

William Shirer


And some doubt always exists as to what goes on in another's head. But IMO this is so insignificant it's not relevant.

Get it. There is always some doubt. But your good, never ever go forward with any assertion as there might be doubt. Your open mind is equivalent to not ever believing anything.

[DMX7]

Chump may have no actual proof of those specific events, but you support for the Nazis is appalling.


There is plenty of proof. That you choose to ignore it is not proof to the contrary.

I already cited the Hartheim Statistics from the collection of the U.S. National Archives. m>s thinks they're fake because he is an idiot, but I am sorry to say their authenticity had been corroborated by ex-workers who compiled them.

[DMX7]

Door to the gas chamber of the Hartheim Euthanasia Center:

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/euthan/euthangal2/Door%20to%20the%20gas%20chamber%20at%20Hartheim.jp g

Note that the door is NOT wood.

[pgardn]

Chump may have no actual proof of those specific events, but you support for the Nazis is appalling.

There is plenty of proof that the holocaust did happen.

The intent of this thread is to show others were involved in Hitler's decision making, whether that is true or not.

Now here is a fact.
Gas is below 2 dollars a gallon in San Antonio. Your evidence suggested that there was a bridge you would buy or sell if f this occurred. So you do believe strongly in some things apparently, using your evidence and intense analytics. But alas, it's dead wrong. Yet you refuse to believe At least one very solid belief held by the vast majority of people who study Hitler and the holocaust. And then you have the gaul to proclaim you keep an open mind. Grab the closest pie and slam it in your face.

Have you sold a bridge yet?

[Wild Cobra]

Have you sold a bridge yet?

What bridge? I'll build one out of Popsicle sticks if you like.

You know that was a figure of speech, right?

Think it will hit under $2 as a nationwide average?

What can I say. I am wrong from time to time. I didn't believe it would happen.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250985&p=8122010&viewfull=1#post8122010

[DMX7]

NY TIMES: Netanyahu Retracts Assertion That Palestinian Inspired Holocaust


“The decision to move from a policy of deporting Jews to the Final Solution was made by the Nazis and was not dependent on outside influence,” Mr. Netanyahu posted on Facebook, in Hebrew and English. “The Nazis saw in the Mufti a collaborator, but they did not need him to decide on the systematic destruction of European Jewry, which began in June 1941.”

He went on: “Contrary to the impression that was created, I did not mean to claim that in his conversation with Hitler in November 1941 the Mufti convinced him to adopt the Final Solution. The Nazis decided on that by themselves.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/world/middleeast/netanyahu-retracts-assertion-that-palestinian-inspired-holocaust.html

[TimDunkem]

Why are people arguing with m>s? He's trolled ever since he joined the board. This Holocaust denial BS is just his current shtick.

Lol Remember when he was a badass Native American?

[Nbadan]

Lol Remember when he was a badass Native American?


:lol

[hater]

:lmao pussy faggot backpedaling :lol

[pgardn]

Why are people arguing with m>s? He's trolled ever since he joined the board. This Holocaust denial BS is just his current shtick.

Lol Remember when he was a badass Native American?

Internet rehab.

Its not working.

[boutons_deux]

Netanyahu Retracts Claim That a Palestinian Cleric Inspired the Holocaust
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/netanyahu_retracts_claim_that_palestinian_inspired _holocaust_20151031?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%253A+Dril ling+Beneath+the+Headlines

Extreme rightwingnuts, conservatives, around the planet, suck donkey dick.

[Wild Cobra]

Netanyahu Retracts Claim That a Palestinian Cleric Inspired the Holocaust
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/netanyahu_retracts_claim_that_palestinian_inspired _holocaust_20151031?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%253A+Dril ling+Beneath+the+Headlines

Extreme rightwingnuts, conservatives, around the planet, suck donkey dick.

My God.

What a loser faggot you are.

You link TruthDig instead of the source it refers to. I guess you like someone telling you what to believe?

You are so indoctrinated, and too stupid to know it.



I wish to clarify my remarks about the connection between the Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini and the Nazis. In no way did I intend to absolve Hitler of his responsibility for the Holocaust. Hitler and the Nazi leadership are responsible for the murder of six million Jews. The decision to move from a policy of deporting Jews to the Final Solution was made by the Nazis and was not dependent on outside influence. The Nazis saw in the Mufti a collaborator, but they did not need him to decide on the systematic destruction of European Jewry, which began in June 1941.

Still, the Mufti was one of those who supported the Nazi goal of destroying the Jews. He conducted his activities from Berlin during the war, disseminated virulent anti-Semitic propaganda on behalf the Nazis, recruited Muslims to the SS, demanded that after conquering the Middle East the Nazis destroy the Jewish national home and vigorously opposed the emigration of Jews – even children – from the Nazi inferno, knowing full well that this would seal their fate.

My remarks were intended to illustrate the murderous approach of the Mufti to the Jews in his lengthy contacts with the Nazi leadership. Contrary to the impression that was created, I did not mean to claim that in his conversation with Hitler in November 1941 the Mufti convinced him to adopt the Final Solution. The Nazis decided on that by themselves.

The interpretation of my remarks as though I absolved the Nazis of even one ounce of responsibility for the Holocaust is absurd.

It was important for me to point out that even before World War II it was the Mufti who propagated the big lie that the Jews intend to destroy the al-Aqsa mosque. This lie lives on and continues to exact a price in blood.

The Mufti was a war criminal who collaborated with the Nazis and who opposed the creation of a Jewish state in any boundaries. In 2013 President Abbas praised him as a Palestinian “pioneer.” That the Mufti remains an iconic figure among the Palestinian leadership today speaks volumes about that leadership’s real attitude towards Israel


https://www.facebook.com/Netanyahu/posts/10153262682842076

If your mind wasn't so easily swayed by agenda driven pundits, you would have known from the start, that this clarification of what he meant all along.

It's a clarification, not a retraction, you fucking moore-on.

[boutons_deux]

Bibi spinning shit to cover the Iraeli genocide of the Palestinians

he got trashed so thoroughly from so many quarters for his initial crap

[DMX7]

My God.

What a loser faggot you are.

You link TruthDig instead of the source it refers to. I guess you like someone telling you what to believe?

You are so indoctrinated, and too stupid to know it.



https://www.facebook.com/Netanyahu/posts/10153262682842076

If your mind wasn't so easily swayed by agenda driven pundits, you would have known from the start, that this clarification of what he meant all along.

It's a clarification, not a retraction, you fucking moore-on.

You are so gullible. :lol

[Wild Cobra]

You are so gullible. :lol
Why?

because I have an open mind, and don't jump to conclusions like most you idiots?

What post do you base that on? The one where I say something to the effect that maybe he did study the history? The one where I say it could be plausible?

Does plausible or maybe, holding an open mind, make me gullible?

If that's the mindset you have, then I'm glad you are some distance from me, because it's those like you who are worse than gullible. You are a bigot.

Those who are gullible are the ones that believe what the read on the internet, or bu journalists, politicians, etc. You hear what you want to hear, and state it as fact.

Just go away little troll.

[DMX7]

Why?

because I have an open mind, and don't jump to conclusions like most you idiots?

What post do you base that on? The one where I say something to the effect that maybe he did study the history? The one where I say it could be plausible?

Does plausible or maybe, holding an open mind, make me gullible?

If that's the mindset you have, then I'm glad you are some distance from me, because it's those like you who are worse than gullible. You are a bigot.

Those who are gullible are the ones that believe what the read on the internet, or bu journalists, politicians, etc. You hear what you want to hear, and state it as fact.

Just go away little troll.

I'm not convinced you know the difference between possible and plausible.

Perhaps your gullibility is due, in part, to this confusion.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not convinced you know the difference between possible and plausible.

Perhaps your gullibility is due, in part, to this confusion.

Believe as you wish.

[pgardn]

Bibi spinning shit to cover the Iraeli genocide of the Palestinians

he got trashed so thoroughly from so many quarters for his initial crap

He got mutilated most violently by his own press.
This happens in a democracy when a leader goes off the deep end.
His statements were so horribly miscalculated, I can't believe... it sounded prepared. I can't believe he tried to fly that plane.

And conservatives wonder why Obama has such a hard time dealing with him... For Christsakes they invited him to speak to Congress.

[Th'Pusher]

Just getting around to the latest Frontline - Netanyahu at War. Solid programming as usual.