Opening Day Game Thread

[benefactor]

DET @ ATL
CLE @ CHI
NOH @ GSW

Welcome back. :toast

[Buddy Mignon]

Go suck a cock. Opening day is when the Lakers play.

[benefactor]

Sup luva? How's life as the Ghost of Gashir this morning?

[Killakobe81]

DET @ ATL
CLE @ CHI
NOH @ GSW

Welcome back. :toast

All 3 home team wins ... Cavs probbably have the best shot as a road dog ...because of LeBron.

[ElNono]

Thanks bene, was about to make a similar thread... :toast

[ElNono]

sup Killa

[140]

Sup luva? How's life as the Ghost of Gashir this morning?

:lmao Naruto faggot

[Buddy Mignon]

Thanks bene, was about to make a similar thread... :toast

Dude... stoppl behaving like a sissy.

[Killakobe81]

sup Killa

Sup, EL. If it wasnt for the haters I would wish you well on a good season. El, you throw your shots at Lakers/Kobe. But you don't go overboard with the ridiculous and make good game thread posts. you are cool in my book even if we disagree from time to time.

Ok enough with the pleasantries. I look forward to watching my nicca Russ dunk on the SPURS front-line come Wednesday, For durant to drop 30 on Kiwi And The Sege to swat Tony and slap his member on Tony's forehead in the aftermath ...

As the Lakers beat Minny ...:toast

[ElNono]

Sup, EL. If it wasnt for the haters I would wish you well on a good season. El, you throw your shots at Lakers/Kobe. But you don't go overboard with the ridiculous and make good game thread posts. you are cool in my book even if we disagree from time to time.

Ok enough with the pleasantries. I look forward to watching my nicca Russ dunk on the SPURS front-line come Wednesday, For durant to drop 30 on Kiwi And The Sege to swat Tony and slap his member on Tony's forehead in the aftermath ...

As the Lakers beat Minny ...:toast

You guys got some pieces at least to make the games watchable, tbh, which is much better than what it's been the last couple of seasons, IMO.

Good to hear you're doing well, and yeah, as the season starts.... FTL :lol :toast

[Killakobe81]

You guys got some pieces at least to make the games watchable, tbh, which is much better than what it's been the last couple of seasons, IMO.

Good to hear you're doing well, and yeah, as the season starts.... FTL :lol :toast

It's all good, El. Weird that neither of our teams playing opening night. Most years since 1999 SPurs or Lakers were defending champs and even when not one of us (usualy us) was playing opening night. Should be a great season if we still arent very good. Last year was disgusting. Im hoping I can leave the "tank" at the base all year. she has been really busy the past two seasons ...

[Darth_Pelican]

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FML

[ElNono]

It's all good, El. Weird that neither of our teams playing opening night. Most years since 1999 SPurs or Lakers were defending champs and even when not one of us (usualy us) was playing opening night. Should be a great season if we still arent very good. Last year was disgusting. Im hoping I can leave the "tank" at the base all year. she has been really busy the past two seasons ...

I suspect the Spurs will come out of the gate a bit flat, tbh... might play great some games, but suck terribly on others... it's gonna take some time to assemble everything...

That's a departure from previous seasons where we used to use the familiarity we had to start off with a great record. I think this season we're more like most teams that take a while to figure things out. We have an exciting roster though...

[Killakobe81]

I suspect the Spurs will come out of the gate a bit flat, tbh... might play great some games, but suck terribly on others... it's gonna take some time to assemble everything...

That's a departure from previous seasons where we used to use the familiarity we had to start off with a great record. I think this season we're more like most teams that take a while to figure things out. We have an exciting roster though...

I know the excitement is tied to LMA but as a somewhat neutral party I think Kiwi is the bigger and better story. he just won DPOTY and was ranked 7th by ESPN insiders even over Blake Griffin who was a top MVP candidate just a few seasons ago.
IDK, I really like Kiwi but that is pretty big role as a top player on a title contender for him to mature in to and the 7th best player in the NBA. (he was just a high level starter when he won Finals MVP). I think so far he has met or exceeded expectations but now the pressure to be a possibly a #2 or #1 ... it will be interesting to see how he adjusts.

[Killakobe81]

0-1
FML

I am not a Tyreke fan but you guys got him to play well last year ... with him down Jrue not a 100% backcourt play will be a problem. I think Gordon regained his confidence and stroke he will need to play well.

[Darth_Pelican]

I am not a Tyreke fan but you guys got him to play well last year ... with him down Jrue not a 100% backcourt play will be a problem. I think Gordon regained his confidence and stroke he will need to play well.

Tyreke is out 6-8 weeks. Pondexter, Cole, and Asik are also out with injury.

[Killakobe81]

Tyreke is out 6-8 weeks. Pondexter, Cole, and Asik are also out with injury.

Damn. well Davis can begin his MVP campaign by hanging with the champs. I think Davis will put up video game numbers but you guys needs to get a top 4/5 seed in West for him to win it ...

[spursistan]

Atl over Detroit; Chicago over CLE; Warriors over Pelicans..

[Darth_Pelican]

NBA CHAMPIONS



WRITER
PICK



J.A. Adande
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Warriors


Kevin Arnovitz
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Thunder


Ian Begley
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Cavaliers


Bradford Doolittle
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Cavaliers


Amin Elhassan
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Warriors


Chad Ford
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Warriors


Chris Forsberg
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Cavaliers


Nick Friedell
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Spurs


Israel Gutierrez
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Thunder


Tom Haberstroh
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Warriors


Baxter Holmes
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Spurs


Tim MacMahon
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Thunder


Mike Mazzeo
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Spurs


Dave McMenamin
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Cavaliers


Kevin Pelton
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Warriors


Ramona Shelburne
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Cavaliers


Marc Stein
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Warriors


Ethan Sherwood Strauss
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Warriors


David Thorpe
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Rockets


Michael Wallace
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Spurs


Calvin Watkins
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Cavaliers


Michael C. Wright
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Cavaliers


Justin Verrier
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Cavaliers


Royce Young
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Thunder


Ohm Youngmisuk
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Spurs



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[Arcadian]

Fuck yeah! Finally...I've been more excited for this season than any other I can remember.

Tomorrow will be awesome with 14 fucking games.

[Killakobe81]

NBA CHAMPIONS



WRITER
PICK



J.A. Adande
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Warriors


Kevin Arnovitz
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Thunder


Ian Begley
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Cavaliers


Bradford Doolittle
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Cavaliers


Amin Elhassan
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Warriors


Chad Ford
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Warriors


Chris Forsberg
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Cavaliers


Nick Friedell
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Spurs


Israel Gutierrez
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Thunder


Tom Haberstroh
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Warriors


Baxter Holmes
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Spurs


Tim MacMahon
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Thunder


Mike Mazzeo
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Spurs


Dave McMenamin
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Cavaliers


Kevin Pelton
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Warriors


Ramona Shelburne
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Cavaliers


Marc Stein
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Warriors


Ethan Sherwood Strauss
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Warriors


David Thorpe
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Rockets


Michael Wallace
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Spurs


Calvin Watkins
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Cavaliers


Michael C. Wright
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Cavaliers


Justin Verrier
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Cavaliers


Royce Young
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Thunder


Ohm Youngmisuk
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Spurs



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David Thorpe, Rockets :lol I actually think Ty Lawson is a great get and I am less critical of Harden than most fans who arent Rox homers, but shit. if the Rox win a title this year I will buy a Dwight Howard jersey and post the pic here on Spurstalk of me wearing it.

[Killakobe81]

5 real legit contenders in my book:

1. Dubbs
2. Spurs
3. Cavs
4. OKC


5. Clips as my darkhorse but I said the same last year ...and maybe Rox can overtake them ...but I doubt it.

[BatManu20]

:lol Duncan


659141682655461376

[FkLA]

Is it just me or does LBJ look skinny af?

[SuperCam]

King James shitting on bullfags :worthy:

[TheCultOfPersonality]

What in the world has Marcus Morris ever done to deserve to be double teamed?

[Raven]

rose seems to think he is steph curry.. there are no bad shots for him apparently..

[ElNono]

cavs coasting again

[FkLA]

the GOAT's hairline is looking good tbh

[CitizenDwayne]

Rose already hurt

[Fireball]

Rose cannot survive one game without being hurt ...

[Cry Havoc]

Rose already hurt

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao D-Blose

[BatManu20]

Kevin Love legit got a perm.... Guess this nigga got tired of trying to shake the "soft" label and just accepted it tbh.

[313]

I expected the Pistons to be good but the Hawks just look disinterested..at home. Not a good sign for Spurs east.

[benefactor]

Good game tbh

[SuperCam]

Richard Jefferson is garbage, tbh

[313]

I forgot the Cavs got Dick Jefferson. They're definitely not winning it all this season.

[benefactor]

I forgot the Cavs got Dick Jefferson. They're definitely not winning it all this season.
Tbh. Teams with Dick Jefferson don't win championships. Kenyon Martin Theory.

[Bynumite]

Wait. Mo Williams is with the Cavs again? After he got so butthurt when Lebron left.

:lmao

[Brian Windhorst]

Tristan Thompson has to be the worst player ever to get paid eight figures, right?

[TheCultOfPersonality]

12 offensive rebounds in the 4th quarter for the Pistons.

Pistons throwing up all sorts of bad bricks and the Hawks still couldn't get the rebound.

[Brian Windhorst]

12 offensive rebounds in the 4th quarter for the Pistons.

Pistons throwing up all sorts of bad bricks and the Hawks still couldn't get the rebound.

Having a useless 6'5 small forward will do that.

[D-Wade]

Kevin Scrub :lol

[The Franchise]

Hawks played like shit all night.

[Brian Windhorst]

This Cavs team sucks tbh. Rose/Noah/Butler 14/41 still gonna take it easily.

[ElNono]

lol @ Baynes >>> Splitter... more rebounds and points tonight

[Clipper Nation]

Another year of LeBron playing with scrubs... SMH.

[313]

Tristan Thompson has to be the worst player ever to get paid eight figures, right?
He's going to make $82,000+ every half he plays this year. AD? $42k

[benefactor]

Choke watch engaged

[ElNono]

damn, Bulls gonna choke this?

[Brian Windhorst]

:wow

[benefactor]

MVPau tbh

[Brian Windhorst]

Watch Delly and TT be in for this offensive possession

[Brian Windhorst]

Watch Delly and TT be in for this offensive possession

Blatt such an idiot tbh

[ElNono]

MVPau tbh

[benefactor]

:lol...well that was anticlimactic

[Silver&Black]

:worthy: MVPau

[CitizenDwayne]

Wow

[Brian Windhorst]

Blatt such an idiot tbh

[SpursIndonesia]

Gasol is so damn long -no homo, and Butler with the defensive hustle to seal the win, nice. And all that with the Gang Banger doing his best work to spoil it all with a horrible shot at the Bulls last possession.

[SuperCam]

fucking jew coached his way out of another one

[baseline bum]

Mo Williams blowing another game :lmao

:lol faggot

[Brian Windhorst]

Bazemore was a disaster... Honestly they need to bit the bullet and go huge with Millsap/Horford/Splitter

[CitizenDwayne]

:lol kenny smith: "Bulls don't look intimidating"

First game of the season, numb-nuts

[spursgu]

Mo Williams blowing another game :lmao

:lol faggot

Mo is going to kill that team in the playoffs.

[urunobili]

The Bulls coach looks like Harvey Dent from the batman movie TBH

[ElNono]

Mo Williams blowing another game :lmao

:lol faggot

Weird, he's Mr Regular Season

[SpursIndonesia]

Two teams who could threaten to have better regular season record than the Spurs lost tonight, not bad. Now, if only the Pelicans can make it perfect, that would be so awesome ! :tu

[benefactor]

Mo Williams blowing another game :lmao

:lol faggot
How in the fuck can you call this team a contender with Mo Williams AND Dick Jefferson on their team? Giving either any kind of meaningful minutes puts your team in a position to lose on any given night...and doing it with both is suicide.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Tristan Thompson has to be the worst player ever to get paid eight figures, right?
He's at least top 5.

He has 1 skill which is rebounding, and he absolutely zero offensive talent. Compared to Thompson, DeAndre Jordan is prime Tim Duncan when it comes to offense.

[spursistan]

:lol Spurs East
:lol fluke year
:lol Shitter
:lol Coach Bud DUI watch
:lol players legs broken by cops
:lol korver and teague allstars
:lol cute little regular season team

[SpursIndonesia]

Tristan Thompson has to be the worst player ever to get paid eight figures, right?

If you factor the salary cap percentage perspective, i think Jim McIlvaine contract should be up there too.

[Biernutz]

How sweet...Jerry West getting a ring tonight with G.S........:lmao

[spursistan]

659198963199930369

tweet reeking of panic :lol

[Killakobe81]

Shit man start this game ...

[Killakobe81]

LOL warriors saying they will match Barnes no matter what ...even though i like harrison a lot still have to re-sign Curry to an extension and already have Klay Bogut Draymond and iggy on big deals ...

[DPG21920]

Weird, he's Mr Regular Season

He was no where near the issue tonight. W/out his scoring to keep them afloat, it wouldn't have even been close (obviously Lebron too).

[DPG21920]

How in the fuck can you call this team a contender with Mo Williams AND Dick Jefferson on their team? Giving either any kind of meaningful minutes puts your team in a position to lose on any given night...and doing it with both is suicide.

Well, they are still stacked talent wise, but with Kyrie injured and Dela not being that good, Mo has to play. Mo will be a fine back up IMO. He's not a defender, but his ability to score is very, very useful.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

47y5bo8wtqM

[DPG21920]

LOL warriors saying they will match Barnes no matter what ...even though i like harrison a lot still have to re-sign Curry to an extension and already have Klay Bogut Draymond and iggy on big deals ...

He's a good player and when you have a title team you should pay to keep them together.

[Killakobe81]

He's a good player and when you have a title team you should pay to keep them together.

I agree for the most part but he wants max and he is not a max player ...but with all the money spent i dont blame him and no guarantee they repeat ....

[Killakobe81]

Steph sooooo confident ...
Lol perk taking a wet shit on all nba defensive big, Bogut

[Killakobe81]

How in the fuck can you call this team a contender with Mo Williams AND Dick Jefferson on their team? Giving either any kind of meaningful minutes puts your team in a position to lose on any given night...and doing it with both is suicide.

Two words LeBron James

[Killakobe81]

Damn a steph vs perk scoring battle

[TheCultOfPersonality]

:lolJason Collins going 4-4 from the field already.

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[SpursIndonesia]

I agree for the most part but he wants max and he is not a max player ...but with all the money spent i dont blame him and no guarantee they repeat ....

I think Bogut will be the odd man out, since Iguodala is quite important off the bench in today's perimeter oriented NBA. Big men who can be serviceable defensively especially against PnR, should be attainable through the draft or free agency.

[Robz4000]

Is this real life?

[Killakobe81]

Fuck Steph is da truth ...

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Chef Curry trying to outscore the Pelicans by himself.

[Chef Curry]

I'm back bitches!!!!!! Spurfan pissing their pants already :lmao

[Killakobe81]

Hot damn!

[Killakobe81]

Lol good time for Lakers to be in rebuild mode they have no shot vs Dubs

[ace3g]

I'm back bitches!!!!!! Spurfan pissing their pants already :lmao

http://i.imgur.com/E5DDXdy.jpg

[urunobili]

Damn NBA is fucked again :depressed

[LakerHater]

http://i.imgbox.com/SyJAf7Ev.gif

[Killakobe81]

Davis like I said with that shitty team no shot at mvp especially with Lebron, steph harden durant russ putting up big numbers for better teams ...

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Nice Mountain Dew commercial Westbrook.

[Perry Mason]

GS is just chucking bad shots. This is not the Spurs motion offense, not close. Play up on Curry and he has to drive. This is why Kawhi owns him.

The Pelicans have improved their offense with Gentry, but old habits die hard and they have injuries.

What is up with AD? He sucks! He is a matador on defense, out of position, and hangs out on the perimeter on offense. Why isn't he posting up Draymond every trip down? So, so not impressed.

[DPG21920]

NO is already gutted - the fact it's at the guard position doesn't bode well against the Warriors. They started Nate Robinson. Nate. Robinson.

[Venti Quattro]

22 points in the first quarter of a ring night game. Holy shit

[Killakobe81]

GS is just chucking bad shots. This is not the Spurs motion offense, not close. Play up on Curry and he has to drive. This is why Kawhi owns him.

The Pelicans have improved their offense with Gentry, but old habits die hard and they have injuries.

What is up with AD? He sucks! He is a matador on defense, out of position, and hangs out on the perimeter on offense. Why isn't he posting up Draymond every trip down? So, so not impressed.

Not all bad shots the pace got them good looks. Plus when you can shoot like Steph he can chuck a few ...

[313]

Need NO to keep it competitive

[DPG21920]

Lol good time for Lakers to be in rebuild mode they have no shot vs any West contender


Fixed

[Venti Quattro]

Need NO to keep it competitive

Did you bet on +9.5 NO?

[Kawhitstorm]

Ishhhhhh:lol

[TheCultOfPersonality]

I don't know which is more shocking.

Kendrick 'Jason Collins' Perkins not sucking

or

Ish Smith not sucking.

[Venti Quattro]

Also, Kendrick Perkins is having his way with the Golden State front court.

Kendrick Perkins.

[Killakobe81]

Fixed

Beat the Spurs last year ... but we talking champs here...beat rox too. Golden state swept us. So i make offer to you I made to amb ... sig avvy or ele that contender Spurs cant sweep Lakers, Deeps.

[ElNono]

I want to believe the AD hype, but the guy is sleepwalking out there... Also, I thought Gentry would make him a focal point of the offense, but doesn't look like it...

[Darth_Pelican]

Davis like I said with that shitty team no shot at mvp especially with Lebron, steph harden durant russ putting up big numbers for better teams ...

Holiday, Asik, Evans, Cole, & Pondexter are all out. This isn't the regular team.

[313]

Did you bet on +9.5 NO?
Nah fanduel :lol

I want to start betting spreads but it seems like a llot of work

[DPG21920]

Beat the Spurs last year ... but we talking champs here...beat rox too. Golden state swept us. So i make offer to you o made to amb ... sig avvy or ele that contender Spurs cant sweep Lakers, Deeps.

What does a regular season game mean in the scheme of things? Anyone can beat anyone, it doesn't make them a good team. What matters is how much winning a team can do (like lottery amount of wins, but nearly 60). Spurs swept GS last year, does that make them the champs?

Crazy laker fan logic. It isn't good to be tanking because LA can't be GS. LA can't beat any of the top teams in a series has nothing to do w/ GS being good.

[Darth_Pelican]

NO is already gutted - the fact it's at the guard position doesn't bode well against the Warriors. They started Nate Robinson. Nate. Robinson.

Holiday & Cole are out. Options limited.

[313]

I want to believe the AD hype, but the guy is sleepwalking out there... Also, I thought Gentry would make him a focal point of the offense, but doesn't look like it...
Dude needs a post game. I thought thats what he gained weight for.

[Darth_Pelican]

Pelicans are missing half their team tonight and the Warriors shot the ball as well as possible and they only have a 4 point lead after 1

[Killakobe81]

Holiday, Asik, Evans, Cole, & Pondexter are all out. This isn't the regular team.

I get that. Yiu will make playoffs but to win MVP he probaly needs to get yall a 4 seed. Last star on a non 1 or 2 seed to win a MVP was KG ...but he still led minny to 50 iirc wins no way Nola hits 50 wins with all these injuries

[Kawhitstorm]

Harrison "I want a max" Barnes: 6 shots, 1pts

[DPG21920]

Holiday & Cole are out. Options limited.

I know - that's why I said that. They are so injured they are forced to start Nate freaking Robinson. It doesn't look short term either. Jrue is on a minutes limit for a while. Cole is out. Tyreke is out for 2 months. It's bad news for them.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pelicans are missing half their team tonight and the Warriors shot the ball as well as possible and they only have a 4 point lead after 1

:lol Ish Smith and Perkins aren't going to shoot like that again, though..

[313]

Harrison "I want a max" Barnes: 6 shots, 1pts
:pctoss

[HarlemHeat37]

Such an honor to watch Curry, tbh:( greatest PG I've ever seen..

[DPG21920]

Well, the bad thing about a team that has a dominant big is that if you don't have any guards that big typically struggles :lol. Who's going to run their sets and earn respect of the defense? Davis isn't a guard and can only create so much for himself.

[HarlemHeat37]

Nah fanduel :lol

I want to start betting spreads but it seems like a llot of work

Betting the first 2 weeks of the NBA season is mostly luck-reliant, tbh..a lot of teams getting into rhythm/still in off-season mode..

[DPG21920]

Pels desperately need Ryan Anderson to regain some form this year.

[313]

Davis looks lost and hesitant out there

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, the bad thing about a team that has a dominant big is that if you don't have any guards that big typically struggles :lol. Who's going to run their sets and earn respect of the defense? Davis isn't a guard and can only create so much for himself.

People are going to overreact to this game after all the Davis off-season hype, tbh..crazy expectations for him, letdown is a given on a team with Nate Robinson, Ish Smith and whoever else running the perimeter offense..

[Killakobe81]

What does a regular season game mean in the scheme of things? Anyone can beat anyone, it doesn't make them a good team. What matters is how much winning a team can do (like lottery amount of wins, but nearly 60). Spurs swept GS last year, does that make them the champs?

Crazy laker fan logic. It isn't good to be tanking because LA can't be GS. LA can't beat any of the top teams in a series has nothing to do w/ GS being good.

Here you go getying all sensitive.. im using gstate cuz that is the game at hand and they are the champs. You the one that said we have no chance vs any west contender. So i told you we beat yall last year and wiliing to bet we do it again this one. Never said we are contenders but while gstate who is in our division is this good it is a good time for us 2 suck ...not saying it was planned ...who would plan that when our pick is only top 3 protected?

Btw i speak for myself not Laker fans. Please pay me the respect of speaking to me and not lumping me in with everyone else.

Steph got Deeps in his feelings on day one apparently.

[Venti Quattro]

Betting the first 2 weeks of the NBA season is mostly luck-reliant, tbh..a lot of teams getting into rhythm/still in off-season mode..

Feb to March is the worst time to bet, then it all picks up in the playoffs

[HarlemHeat37]

Ryan Anderson road stats from 2014/15: 35% from the field, 27% from 3:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Feb to March is the worst time to bet, then it all picks up in the playoffs

Agree about February, completely disagree about March..

[DPG21920]

People are going to overreact to this game after all the Davis off-season hype, tbh..crazy expectations for him, letdown is a given on a team with Nate Robinson, Ish Smith and whoever else running the perimeter offense..

Yup - this isn't fantasy sports :lol These are real NBA teams in a brutal conference. Having this much of your talent on the side lines is going to really hurt AD. More than most. Lebron is a high usage player and has the ball in his hands. AD obviously isn't like that so the lack of guard play puts him in a tough spot.

[313]

Betting the first 2 weeks of the NBA season is mostly luck-reliant, tbh..a lot of teams getting into rhythm/still in off-season mode..Duly noted

[HarlemHeat37]

Yup - this isn't fantasy sports :lol These are real NBA teams in a brutal conference. Having this much of your talent on the side lines is going to really hurt AD. More than most. Lebron is a high usage player and has the ball in his hands. AD obviously isn't like that so the lack of guard play puts him in a tough spot.

Ya, Nate Robinson couldn't even see over defenders to make simple passes for pick&pops in the 1st, and opposing teams are going to realize that Ish Smith is one of the worst shooting PGs in the entire league(despite how he's shooting, so far, tonight:lol)..

[Killakobe81]

Such an honor to watch Curry, tbh:( greatest PG I've ever seen..

Wont go that far Magic, Stock even CP3 run an offense better. But im starting to think he is the best shooting/scoring/ball handling pg i have ever seen. May be a better shooter than prime Dirk, Bird, Price, Nash, Ray or Reggie ...not just the best shooting PG.

[Darth_Pelican]

Finally a lead...

[urunobili]

greatest scoring PG I've ever seen..

FIFY

[Killakobe81]

Barnes pressing after turning down millions. He is mot a max guy but my Lakers would pay him like one ...

[DPG21920]

They are scrapping though. That's how you beat GS - scrap it up, consistent energy and hope they get too showboat-y. Kerr did a great job of reigning that in last year where Mark Jackson could not. But now that they have won one? That will be tough IMO. They are talented enough to overcome, but it does hurt them in-game sometimes.

Or you can have a team like SA with two great perimeter defenders..

[HarlemHeat37]

Wont go that far Magic, Stock even CP3 run an offense better. But im starting to think he is the best shooting/scoring/ball handling pg i have ever seen. May be a better shooter than prime Dirk, Bird, Price, Nash, Ray or Reggie ...not just the best shooting PG.

I didn't see Magic play, but I wouldn't hesitate to take Curry over the rest, tbh..

Paul is probably a better individual player, but his style of play will never win a championship..the best part about Curry is that he draws more attention than any player in the league even without having the ball in his hands, which is a colossal advantage that you don't get from anybody else, including Lebron..

[Darth_Pelican]

AD was an 81% FT shooter last season. TNT needs to get their stats straight.

[urunobili]

Can't believe the blatant chucking that AD is providing

[DPG21920]

I am so interested in seeing how Gentry does. Pels were a horrifically coached team but I wonder if Gentry will cut it as a head coach for this team.

Sucks for him that his entire back court is hobbled though..

[313]

AD looked better last year in the playoffs. I wonder what's going on tonight.

[Killakobe81]

Lol warriors just toying with NOLA if Barnes shot at least 33% they would have lead ...

[HarlemHeat37]

Barnes pressing after turning down millions. He is mot a max guy but my Lakers would pay him like one ...

Not really sure where the Harrison Barnes hype is coming from, I guess just a matter of playing for the Warriors:lol..he doesn't do anything at a notable level..

[DPG21920]

AD looked better last year in the playoffs. I wonder what's going on tonight.

See the posts above..

[DPG21920]

Lol warriors just toying with NOLA if Barnes shot at least 33% they would have lead ...

They should be killing this Pels team, but Pels getting some unexpected shooting & the bench for GS didn't do a very good job offensively at all.

[313]

Barnes pressing after turning down millions. He is mot a max guy but my Lakers would pay him like one ...Has he ever had a notable stretch of games in his career? lol dude's contract is going to be worse than Thompson's.

[Darth_Pelican]

I am so interested in seeing how Gentry does. Pels were a horrifically coached team but I wonder if Gentry will cut it as a head coach for this team.

Sucks for him that his entire back court is hobbled though..
It's a long season. I'd rather play .500 ball for the first 20 games then try and rush players back. We'll see what Gentry is made of after the New Year

[Perry Mason]

AD is just not going to win anything as an inefficient long-2 face-up big. Dude get in the post and rain on the Draymond Greens of the league.

AD is also just running at guys. Nice offense AD...

[313]

See the posts above..
I understand the lack of guard play. But he's looked unsteady whenever he's gotten the ball. He needs to develop a go to move.

[HarlemHeat37]

I haven't looked at the numbers, but IIRC, defending champs generally coast on ring night, don't they?

[Killakobe81]

They are scrapping though. That's how you beat GS - scrap it up, consistent energy and hope they get too showboat-y. Kerr did a great job of reigning that in last year where Mark Jackson could not. But now that they have won one? That will be tough IMO. They are talented enough to overcome, but it does hurt them in-game sometimes.

Or you can have a team like SA with two great perimeter defenders..

Warriors not invincible. But i think their new found confidence will allow teams to hang around ...plus they are to loose with the ball but getting these shooters so many open looks is death ...who is gonna out run,and gun them? They will turn it on when needed.

Steph has improved so much as a finisher

[DPG21920]

Not really sure where the Harrison Barnes hype is coming from, I guess just a matter of playing for the Warriors:lol..he doesn't do anything at a notable level..

He has been average in the regular season and slightly worse in the playoffs. But he had some pretty good moments (although not consistently) and he's young and has a good NBA frame. But he's like a worse version of Jeff Green.

[HarlemHeat37]

It's a long season. I'd rather play .500 ball for the first 20 games then try and rush players back. We'll see what Gentry is made of after the New Year

There's a massive drop off after the top 6 in the West..the 8th seed is going to be East-like, tbh..Pelicans will be fine if they hover around .500 until their key guys return..

[DPG21920]

I haven't looked at the numbers, but IIRC, defending champs generally coast on ring night, don't they?

Nah - it's pretty dominating on ring night. The defending champ has a pretty ridiculous record last 10 years or so

[DPG21920]

It's a long season. I'd rather play .500 ball for the first 20 games then try and rush players back. We'll see what Gentry is made of after the New Year

I agree - I'm not really saying anything about the team on their first game with this squad.

[Killakobe81]

He has been average in the regular season and slightly worse in the playoffs. But he had some pretty good moments (although not consistently) and he's young and has a good NBA frame. But he's like a worse version of Jeff Green.

So if you say that why eould or should he get a max deal? He turned down 64 milly

[Brian Windhorst]

How can an NBA team still be giving minutes to Alonzo Gee and Ish Smith? When guys like Ray McCallum are available for a 2nd rounder?

[Brian Windhorst]

Eric Gordon trash against real teams per par

[DPG21920]

Gordon was a redirkulous 3PT shooter last year for PELS - they will need that again.

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree - I'm not really saying anything about the team on their first game with this squad.

Just checked, 2-7 vs. the spread since 2006..

[Killakobe81]

Real talk watriors need to shave off some turnovers to many to beat Spurs, Clips Rox okc Cavs and maybe Bulls

[DPG21920]

So if you say that why eould or should he get a max deal? He turned down 64 milly

Well you are using the term max loosely - his max and what he's asking isn't like Kobe's 25M max. I don't think he's worth it, but when you have a young championship team, you have to keep them together and sort out the money later.

[HarlemHeat37]

Real talk watriors need to shave off some turnovers to many to beat Spurs, Clips Rox okc Cavs and maybe Bulls

:lol Warriors would toy with the Rockets and Bulls, tbh..they match up really well with OKC, too IMO..

[DPG21920]

Just checked, 2-7 vs. the spread since 2006..

AGS, yes, sorry. But ML - home team has won like 10 in a row - didn't know you meant AGS

[HarlemHeat37]

AGS, yes, sorry. But ML - home team has won like 10 in a row - didn't know you meant AGS

Ya, I meant coasting through the game and giving shitty effort..seems like a common trend on ring night..

[DPG21920]

There's a massive drop off after the top 6 in the West..the 8th seed is going to be East-like, tbh..Pelicans will be fine if they hover around .500 until their key guys return..

But that top 6 is an absolute lock: GS/LAC/OKC/SA/MEM/HOU - while there is a big drop off, if NO injuries linger it could be a race to the finish IMO. There's enough teams in the West that on a given night can beat you that you can fall behind quickly.

[Kawhitstorm]

Big men who can be serviceable defensively especially against PnR, should be attainable through the draft or free agency.

They already have one, his name is Ezeli

[Killakobe81]

Well you are using the term max loosely - his max and what he's asking isn't like Kobe's 25M max. I don't think he's worth it, but when you have a young championship team, you have to keep them together and sort out the money later.

That is still silly. Paying non max production players max money ... no matter if its Kobe or Barnes isnt smart. And Barnes isnt selling season tix ...

[Killakobe81]

:lol Warriors would toy with the Rockets and Bulls, tbh..they match up really well with OKC, too IMO..

I think they would lock in and not be as careless ...but still they playing down to Nola right now.

[HarlemHeat37]

They already have one, his name is Ezeli

This is true, but finding another Harrison Barnes wouldn't be difficult, either..they don't ask him to do anything but finish and shoot spot-up Js..

[313]

AD getting pity FTs lol

[DPG21920]

That is still silly. Paying non max production players no matter ifvits Kobe or Barnes isnt smart. And Barbes isnt selling season tix ...

I'm saying that in this new NBA, if you didn't hear the word "max", paying Barnes 12-13M wouldn't draw such ire. I don't think he's worth it, but that's the world in which we live.

[~O~]

Bay's warmup uniforms and jerseys look really great this year. Did they update them. Their logo fits those rings very well.

Golden State looks extremely polished in their game thus far. Simple plays have become effortless. Anthony Davis looks disinterested already in the mist of all this. The Warriors still are young and they can continue to have a dynasty. Curry is locomotive that keeps the energy of the team up during the course of the game. The Warriors stagnate in very rare instances. They always seem like their having fun and constantly are making ground breaking plays. Their fan base adds to this.


This is New Orlean's test..but I feel this is wayyyyy to early for them to encounter the Champions who haven't lost a beat and are fresh. They may have a tough schedule. I know Pelicans fans don't want their guys to have their confidence crushed early. I sincerely doubt they win this game.


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Chicago still goes through offensive woes during areas of the game where they are up but can't put the nail in the coffin. Their offense is what continues to hold them back. Their defense is absolutely fine. Their offense always manage to go cold mid game and they turn it up just enough in the end to edge a win. It hasn't cut it for them for nearly a half a decade+ in the playoffs.


Cleveland signed a variety of team cancers in JR Smith, Richard Jefferson, and Mo Williams. These guys are going to be placeholders in the playoffs because honestly, everyone should know how 4th quarters will be by now. Now they have an extremely overpaid bench player on a max contract who didn't even break 30 mins tonight or double digits. Hell. He had two points.

The delusion will stay alive as long as LeBron is a cavalier. If his presence were to ever disappear, it would take 4 years for them to completely clean up that mess. Worst case scenario..a decade, from waivers and having to rebuild AGAIN because honestly, how bad were the Cavaliers before LeBron came back?


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Detroit was going to be better than the credit they were given. Stan Van Gundy has a career in coaching Dark Horses. All their starters scored 15 or more points and by their lenovo stats, they put in all the work. I haven't watched Detroit much myself. May have to change that.

Atlanta did what I thought they would. They seem to have lost all confidence in themselves instead of building confidence. They lost their best defender in the off season to the Raps.

Its only one game but they should have been prepared, regardless.

[DPG21920]

I just can't stop thinking "could you imagine if LAC or GS had Danny Green".

[Killakobe81]

This is true, but finding another Harrison Barnes wouldn't be difficult, either..they don't ask him to do anything but finish and shoot spot-up Js..

Grantland did an article where they argue his defense in small ball lineups allows green to play centers and barnes to play 4s because he is wiry strong. And that he allows them to play uptempo ...all of that is true but is that worth a max deal? Especially when danny green does some of that for much less?

[FkLA]

Unibrow not living up to the hype. Whatever little he has done can be attributed to the refs bailing him out.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

How can an NBA team still be giving minutes to Alonzo Gee and Ish Smith? When guys like Ray McCallum are available for a 2nd rounder?
I will never get why Ish Smith continues to get picked up. He's been on 8 teams in the previous 5 season and has sucked on all 8 of them.

[HarlemHeat37]

Grantland did an article where they argue his defense in small ball lineups allows green to play centers and barnes to play 4s because he is wiry strong. And that he allows them to pkay uptempo ...all of that is true but us that worth a max deal?

All of that is absolutely true, and Barnes is an above average overall player, but I don't believe it would be that difficult to find an athletic wing that shoots 36% from 3 for his career in the playoffs(on mostly open shots), and is probably a slightly above average defensive player..

I can't even remember noticing him in the playoffs, last year, yet they still cruised to a title..

[DPG21920]

has the warriors even given curry an extention yet? if i were the lakers, u pounce on it with a max offer....

how many guys on the warriors are earning near max money? shouldnt they be penalty tax payers like the cavs this year?

There is going to be such a large jump in the cap that I don't think it will be an issue at all for GS. No way GS loses Curry. The Luxury Tax line is 84M this year and GS is at 78M. No danger

[Venti Quattro]

I just can't stop thinking "could you imagine if LAC or GS had Danny Green".

He's not gonna be worth shit in those teams. He got his break because of Pop's system

[Killakobe81]

I'm saying that in this new NBA, if you didn't hear the word "max", paying Barnes 12-13M wouldn't draw such ire. I don't think he's worth it, but that's the world in which we live.

64 divided by 5 (isnt that max years you can offer) quite a bit more than 12-14 million? Im no cap expert or mathematician but i think in new NBA that is still crazy.

[Darth_Pelican]

Unibrow not living up to the hype. Whatever little he has done can be attributed to the refs bailing him out.

Yes, he's played a bad half of basketball in the opening game of the season.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol Warriors would toy with the Rockets and Bulls, tbh..they match up really well with OKC, too IMO..

KD owns the Warriors & they can match the Warriors small ball lineup by playing Ibaka at center. Westrbook would be the X-Factor: Good Russy vs. Bad Russy.

BH28e-swVdw

bGD1PWWS7Js

[DPG21920]

There's no need to moneyball at this point though. Cap jumping up huge eliminates the need to do that. Especially with the salary floor being so high, might as well have a player that is well liked, young and fits your role.

Can he be replaced? Absolutely, but he still has room to improve. What if he morphs into a 40% 3PT shooter? Changes the variables. It's the Draymond question (although Draymond is a way better defender). They really are a sum of their parts (bench included).

[DPG21920]

64 divided by 5 (isnt that max years you can offer) quite a bit more than 12-14 million? Im no cap expert or mathematician but i think in new NBA that is still crazy.

It's about 13M a year

[Killakobe81]

All of that is absolutely true, and Barnes is an above average overall player, but I don't believe it would be that difficult to find an athletic wing that shoots 36% from 3 for his career in the playoffs(on mostly open shots), and is probably a slightly above average defensive player..

I can't even remember noticing him in the playoffs, last year, yet they still cruised to a title..

I agree Harlem. Just telling you why he wants max and why warriors offered 64 million which to me is still high ...but better than max money. And as i was telling Deeps he turned that down ...

[DPG21920]

He's not gonna be worth shit in those teams. He got his break because of Pop's system

That is incorrect.

[HarlemHeat37]

KD owns the Warriors & they can match the Warriors small ball lineup by playing Ibaka at center. Westrbook would be the X-Factor: Good Russy vs. Bad Russy.

BH28e-swVdw

bGD1PWWS7Js

Depends on Donovan, we'll see..last year's Warriors-Thunder matchups were overwhelmingly ISO vs. ball movement IMO, and you won't win that battle unless the talent advantage is significant(Thunder vs. Spurs in 2012, for example)..

[Killakobe81]

It's about 13M a year

Right but he turned that down. Which is my point what i was asking but worded poorly what is his max?

[Kawhitstorm]

AD is just not going to win anything as an inefficient long-2 face-up big. Dude get in the post and rain on the Draymond Greens of the league.

AD is also just running at guys. Nice offense AD...

Gentry should be putting him in PnR b/c he is unstoppable when he's rolling to the rim, even Monty knew better than making him a stretch 4. Tyreke/Holiday being out is going to kill their PnR sets.

[DPG21920]

Right but he turned that down. Which is my point what i was asking but worded poorly what is his max?

Oh - not sure I would have to look up a few details to figure that out.

[~O~]

has the warriors even given curry an extention yet? if i were the lakers, u pounce on it with a max offer....

how many guys on the warriors are earning near max money? shouldnt they be penalty tax payers like the cavs this year?


...that ain't happening...at all. The Lakers aren't even allowed to think about that as a dream. I doubt they even try it. Curry is already in a winning situation where he just won a championship not even 4 months ago with a better 3 tiers better than the current lakers.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's no need to moneyball at this point though. Cap jumping up huge eliminates the need to do that. Especially with the salary floor being so high, might as well have a player that is well liked, young and fits your role.

Can he be replaced? Absolutely, but he still has room to improve. What if he morphs into a 40% 3PT shooter? Changes the variables. It's the Draymond question (although Draymond is a way better defender). They really are a sum of their parts (bench included).

I'd probably keep Barnes if it's not a crazy overpay, chemistry and continuity is worth more than $ to an extent, but just saying, I don't understand the hype of him as an individual player..

[SpursIndonesia]

They already have one, his name is Ezeli

Oh yeah, i kinda forget him, he was hobbled with injury last season, no ? By playing Draymond Green or Marreese Speight so much at the 5 spot, Ezeli is somewhat a forgotten (big) man in their roster.

[Killakobe81]

Right but he turned that down. Which is my point what i was asking but worded poorly what is his max?

He turned down the deal you think is reasonable, btw. So even Dubs weren't willing to go over that at this point.

[313]

I just can't stop thinking "could you imagine if LAC or GS had Danny Green".
They have Riddick and Klay...

[DPG21920]

The real issue (IMO) is that GS might not trust Klay in the PO's even though they have paid him. He has some big shots and competes on defense, but his numbers regress every playoff. So having Barnes around might be some Klay insurance.

[DPG21920]

They have Riddick and Klay...

Exactly.

[Kawhitstorm]

Right but he turned that down. Which is my point what i was asking but worded poorly what is his max?

The 5 yr max for players w/ less than 6 years experience is 94 mill or he could sign elsewhere for 4yrs/70mill

[DPG21920]

I'd probably keep Barnes if it's not a crazy overpay, chemistry and continuity is worth more than $ to an extent, but just saying, I don't understand the hype of him as an individual player..

Oh, I agree, I was just telling Killa how teams think. I've literally asked this question to NBA coaches/gms and that's how they think. Outside of Cuban who got his and blew it up :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

The real issue (IMO) is that GS might not trust Klay in the PO's even though they have paid him. He has some big shots and competes on defense, but his numbers regress every playoff. So having Barnes around might be some Klay insurance.

Barnes is valuable for their system b/c he has the size/strength to guard PFs on defense when Draymond is playing center. He was the one guarding Z-Bo when Bogut was benched. Otherwise, he isn't a scorer like Klay to be his replacement; teams actually put their weakest defenders on him or leave him open to double Curry. Livingston/Iggy/Barbosa made up for Klay's lack of scoring in the Finals.

[DPG21920]

Barnes is valuable for their system b/c he plays the 4 when Draymond is playing center. He was the one guarding Z-Bo when Bogut was benched. Otherwise, he isn't a scorer like Klay to be his replacement. Livingston/Iggy/Barbosa made up for Klay's lack of scoring in the Finals.

He's no where near the scorer Klay is, but like you said he was able to do a few things. You have to have the flexibility if you can't trust Klay (which they probably do) which is what I meant by that.

Like others have said, I think you could find plenty of guys talent wise to do what Barnes does for them though.

[Venti Quattro]

I'd probably keep Barnes if it's not a crazy overpay, chemistry and continuity is worth more than $ to an extent, but just saying, I don't understand the hype of him as an individual player..

Barnes is okay, versatile guy that can shoot and defend (like Dray), he should be paid good money but not a dollar more than $8 million per year

[Kawhitstorm]

He's no where near the scorer Klay is, but like you said he was able to do a few things. You have to have the flexibility if you can't trust Klay (which they probably do) which is what I meant by that.

Like others have said, I think you could find plenty of guys talent wise to do what Barnes does for them though.

They don't have the cap space to sign an equivalent player from the FA market. They can go over the cap to re-sign him b/c they have his Bird rights. His agent can play hard-ball knowing they are willing to overpay him for his services, that's basically what Tristan Thompson did since the Cavs were capped out.

[SuperCam]

MVP race might already be over, tbh

[DPG21920]

They don't have the cap space to sign an equivalent player from the FA market. They can go over the cap to resign him b/c they have his Bird rights.

When the cap jumps they should be ok to sign a replacement. And to be honest, either via draft or lower end FA, Barnes is probably replaceable in a bubble. But when you factor in chemistry, familiarity and fit, it becomes cloudy.

[Killakobe81]

The 5 yr max for players w/ less than 6 years experience is 94 mill or he could sign elsewhere for 4yrs/70mill

Thanks. And i agree with both deeps and Harlem ...no you dont break up your title team willingly ...but i watched him since college. He has talent is a hard worker but not a max player. If he makes it to FA i would call dubs bluff if they want to pay him 70 million to be their 4th or 5th best player God bless them. But tgat is why spurs are so great danny green makes much less in a similar role.

[daslicer]

I have said it for a while but I will say it again which is Davis is a big in the mold of KG/Drob. Just like those two guys hes going to have a hard time leading a team to a title because he doesn't have back to the basket game like Duncan.

[Kawhitstorm]

Barnes is okay, versatile guy that can shoot and defend (like Dray), he should be paid good money but not a dollar more than $8 million per year

8 million:lmao. It's 2015.....dude was offered 13mill per & turned it down.

[~O~]

Curry does so many things right that its hard to believe he's just a point guard. He's on every play and on every area of the court. His scoring greatly overshadows his point guard ability and his point guard ability is elite. This is the type of player Chris Paul couldn't' ever be.

[DPG21920]

They don't have the cap space to sign an equivalent player from the FA market. They can go over the cap to re-sign him b/c they have his Bird rights. His agent can play hard-ball knowing they are willing to overpay him for his services, that's basically what Tristan Thompson did since the Cavs were capped out.

Also, I think we are discussing two different things. I know how bird rights work and their financial situation - when I say they can replace him, I'm referring strictly to quality of player/talent. But I think GS will have a lot of cap space next year with the jump anyways. They have all their main guys locked up for at least next year and a bunch of FA (lower end) next year.

So if they wanted to shuffle up they could easily do so. I think they are only at 58M committed next year with Curry/Klay/Dray/Bogut/Iggy/Livingston/Thompson on the books

[Kawhitstorm]

I have said it for a while but I will say it again which is Davis is a big in the mold of KG/Drob. Just like those two guys hes going to have a hard time leading a team to a title because he doesn't have back to the basket game like Duncan.

Nobody said his game was like Tim, that was supposed to be Okafor:lmao. The Tim comparison is b/c of the fact they play the same position. Davis himself has side his game is more similar to KG & others have compared him to Admiral(Pop said that was too premature:nope).

[apalisoc_9]

Such a joy to watch curry and green...just great players.

[Killakobe81]

Curry does so many things right that its hard to believe he's just a point guard. He's on every play and on every area of the court. His scoring greatly overshadows his point guard ability and his point guard ability is elite. This is the type of player Chris Paul couldn't' ever be.

He is elite no doubt about it and i prefer his style over CP3 cuz he dribbles less ...but despite some chokes some metrics have Paul as one of the goat pgs

[Killakobe81]

Such a joy to watch curry and green...just great players.

Absolutely not sure why folks hate on em ...

[Stevie Johnson]

Why do people even care about the NBA when it's ours?

[Killakobe81]

That is basically what I said ...^

[apalisoc_9]

Absolutely not sure why folks hate on em ...
No one really hates curry...but green gets a lot of hate because of how he's rated in the media. He's a top 25 player in the league..I don't see how that's not obvious

[313]

Davis sodomized lol

[DPG21920]

Theres the obligatory "huh, who was that, Gee? Hmmm, he looks like he might be able to play"

[daslicer]

Nobody said his game was like Tim, that was supposed to be Okafor:lmao. The Tim comparison is b/c of the fact they play the same position. Davis himself has side his game is more similar to KG & others have compared him to Admiral(Pop said that was too premature:nope).

Yeah I think its crazy how the media has set the narrative that Davis is the next Duncan due to playing the same position even though his game is nothing like Duncan. It's also crazier to hear some spur fans claim the same thing. You can tell those fans are bandwagon fans.

[313]

Davis with absolutely no post game

[Kawhitstorm]

Also, I think we are discussing two different things. I know how bird rights work and their financial situation - when I say they can replace him, I'm referring strictly to quality of player/talent. But I think GS will have a lot of cap space next year with the jump anyways. They have all their main guys locked up for at least next year and a bunch of FA (lower end) next year.

So if they wanted to shuffle up they could easily do so. I think they are only at 58M committed next year with Curry/Klay/Dray/Bogut/Iggy/Livingston/Thompson on the books

They have to pay Ezeli too & he's going to get at least 10mill per (Marc Cuban) as long as he stay healthy. They are actually committed 81 mill next year (you forgot to account for Draymond's new contract) & the cap space is supposed to be 89 mill next season so that would leave them w/ 8 mill to spend in free agency for an Ezeli &/or Barnes replacement along w/ end of the bench guys. If they don't renounce Marreese Speights then their cap space is going to shrink even more.

[Killakobe81]

No one really hates curry...but green gets a lot of hate because of how he's rated in the media. He's a top 25 player in the league..I don't see how that's not obvious

Whaaat were you here last year? We had the epic Curry is a wannabe Kobe thread ...plus many Spur complaints about his celebrations

[Kawhitstorm]

Davis with absolutely no post game

He's like Admiral: Face-up & drive, run the floor, PnRs or shoot a jumper. Even PRIME KG had a Dream Shake move in the post.

[BatManu20]

Steph gonna pull a Steve Nash and repeat MVP at the PG spot

[HarlemHeat37]

The Robinson/KG comparisons make sense on the surface(offensively..he's nowhere near those 2 defensively, yet), but those 2 niggas played a ton of minutes/games in their primes..

Davis has already missed 47 games in 3 seasons, it's the biggest knock on him, so far IMO..

[Killakobe81]

They have to pay Ezeli too & he's going to get at least 10mill per (Marc Cuban) as long as he stay healthy. They are actually committed 81 mill next year (you forgot to account for Draymond's new contract) & the cap space is supposed to be 89 mill next season so that would leave them w/ 8 mill to spend in free agency.

If it was easy as Deeps claims why not offer the max he can get in RFA and be done with it? They are hoping they can get him at $70 mill instead of$84 makes sense for both sides if he wants to stay ...

[~O~]

Davis is being made out to be some third string Forward.

He's 1-14 on field goals. Absolutely, Shut down.

Curry has 40 points and with Golden State's even more advance and elaborate offense, he's taken all of Klay Thompson's attempts.

The more attempts Curry gets at the basket, the more exposed the opponents defense looks.

[DPG21920]

They have to pay Ezeli too & he's going to get at least 10mill per (Marc Cuban) as long as he stay healthy. They are actually committed 81 mill next year (you forgot to account for Draymond's new contract) & the cap space is supposed to be 89 mill next season so that would leave them w/ 8 mill to spend in free agency.

You are right, I didn't put Dray's number in there. Even with that, they are at roughly 76M with a potential 90M cap. They have plenty of opportunity to shake things up if they want to - while it's not a guarantee, the potential is there. If they don't bring back Ezeli and know they want to replace Barnes, they will have plenty of money.

However, even with 8M, I believe they can talent-wise replace Barnes. That would basically be a high end MLE contract which for Barnes actual on court production is probably a fair talent replacement IMO. But I do think the end up keeping Ezeli and Barnes spending their money that way. I was just speaking in a bubble about his talent level.

[Kawhitstorm]

The Robinson/KG comparisons make sense on the surface(offensively..he's nowhere near those 2 defensively, yet), but those 2 niggas played a ton of minutes/games in their primes..

Davis has already missed 47 games in 3 seasons, it's the biggest knock on him, so far IMO..

Admiral turned into D-Rose post MVP.

[313]

He's like Admiral: Face-up & drive, run the floor, PnRs or shoot a jumper. Even PRIME KG had a Dream Shake move in the post.
Yup. Not nearly as good as the Admiral yet either. But it's only the first game so we'll see,.

[Killakobe81]

You are right, I didn't put Dray's number in there. Even with that, they are at roughly 76M with a potential 90M cap. They have plenty of opportunity to shake things up if they want to - while it's not a guarantee, the potential is there. If they don't bring back Ezeli and know they want to replace Barnes, they will have plenty of money.

However, even with 8M, I believe they can talent-wise replace Barnes. That would basically be a high end MLE contract which for Barnes actual on court production is probably a fair talent replacement IMO. But I do think the end up keeping Ezeli and Barnes spending their money that way. I was just speaking in a bubble about his talent level.

If they repeat and Barnes is pivotal to the run it makes sense to overpay ... still think its high to give him max but i would do itvif it was my best chance to 3peat. If they lose i would consider other options that are more cost effective.

[HarlemHeat37]

Harden going for 40 tomorrow to match, tbh..

[Kawhitstorm]

You are right, I didn't put Dray's number in there. Even with that, they are at roughly 76M with a potential 90M cap. They have plenty of opportunity to shake things up if they want to - while it's not a guarantee, the potential is there. If they don't bring back Ezeli and know they want to replace Barnes, they will have plenty of money.

However, even with 8M, I believe they can talent-wise replace Barnes. That would basically be a high end MLE contract which for Barnes actual on court production is probably a fair talent replacement IMO. But I do think the end up keeping Ezeli and Barnes spending their money that way. I was just speaking in a bubble about his talent level.

Demarre Carroll got 13 mill per & he isn't much better than Barnes. Teams are overpaying for talent so I'm not sure they could get a starting wingman who can check PFs for 8mill.

[Killakobe81]

Harden going for 40 tomorrow to match, tbh..

Probably who do they play?

[Killakobe81]

Demarre Carroll got 13 mill per & he isn't much better than Barnes. Teams are overpaying for talent so I'm not sure they could get a starting wingman for 8mill.

How much did danny green get?

[~O~]

Confidence crushed.

[Kawhitstorm]

How much did danny green get?

Danny Green AGREED to take a pay-cut (10 mill) meanwhile Barnes is DEMANDING a max. The Cavs gave Shum 40mill & Tristan 80 mill per b/c they are capped out & couldn't trade Sideshow Bob; the Warriors are in the same situation w/ Ezeli/Barnes & Bogut's contract.

[Killakobe81]

Danny Green AGREED to take a pay-cut (10 mill) meanwhile Barnes is DEMANDING a max. The Cavs gave Shum 40mill & Tristan 80 mill per b/c they are capped out & couldn't trade Sideshow Bob; the Warriors are in the same situation w/ Ezeli/Barnes & Bogut's contract.

I get that. So because of that they should overpay on money and years? Right now they have him this year and can decide at seasons end if he is yruly worth 70 million either by offering the max he can get by another squad or letting him walk.

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[TheCultOfPersonality]

Not good when Jason Collins Jr. is your best big.

[daslicer]

Perkins with the great post up moves tonight.

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[Kawhitstorm]

I get that. So because of that they should overpay on money and years? Right now they have him this year and can decide at seasons end if he is yruly worth 70 million either by offering the max he can get by another squad or letting him walk.

They OBVIOUSLY wanted to keep him & didn't want to risk competing w/ a ridiculous offer sheets. They were hoping to sign him for 16 mill per or less but it looks like his agent believes that he can get more than what Tobias Harris got from Orlando. Barnes can test the market while knowing damn well the 16 mill per will always be on the table if he wants to resign w/ the Warriors.

I'm assuming Barnes thinks he's as good as Klay if not better & wants the same type of contract.

[TheDoctor]

Kinda crazy, up 15-19pts and L.Walton playing his starters till 1:30 mins of play in the 4th.