'Bodies By The Dozen' in New Orleans

[Nbadan]

By Michael Perlstein
Staff writer


Tentative optimism that New Orleans’ death toll from Katrina might be far lower than first projected has given way to somber reality over the past 36 hours as search and rescue squad turn up bodies by the dozen in the hardest hit areas of the city.

By mid-afternoon Friday, the black triangles used to designate human remains were multiplying on an emergency command center map. Federal Emergency Management Agency rescue squad liaison Charles Hood said a spike in discoveries Friday has started to take an emotional toll on rescue workers.

...

“Parts of the city have become a target-rich environment for human remains,” Hood said. “We’re just now getting into the areas that experienced the most rapid inundation.”

Large chunks of the city, including parts of Gentilly, the Desire-Florida area and Upper 9th Ward, have revealed tell-tale signs that the two breaches of the London Avenue Canal led to a rapid rush of floodwater that caught scores of residents off-guard. The surprise factor was only worsened in that the fast-rising water, more than 12 feet in spots, came well after the storm had passed.

NOLA (http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_16.html#080431)

My, I wonder why NOLA chose to bury this story in the back-pages? Perhaps they didn't want to let all the administration spin about the death toll in NO not being that bad go to waste?

[Vashner]

What the hell are you talking about? They govt said there would be more bodies after the water goes down. Dude your like a vulture looking to get off on some dead corpses. If anything this makes the local government of democrats look bad.. not Bush.

[Nbadan]

What the hell are you talking about? They govt said there would be more bodies after the water goes down. Dude your like a vulture looking to get off on some dead corpses. If anything this makes the local government of democrats look bad.. not Bush.

:rolleyes

Yeah, and I'm still waiting for a rational explanation why it makes sense to blame the Local and State government when the WH wrote the freaking book, and dictated the rules, on how the FEDS should handle a natural disaster like Katrina.

[whottt]

:rolleyes

Yeah, and I'm still waiting for a rational explanation why it makes sense to blame the Local and State government when the WH wrote the freaking book, and dictated the rules, on how the FEDS should handle a natural disaster like Katrina.


Dan...for the 104,397,594,764,506,450,687 time...the State and Local Government had authority over all Federal Responses...they had the responsiblity for the evac.

You can pretend it isn't true...but that doesn't change the fact that it is true.

If you look in the constitution you will it's true.
If you look up Posse Commititaus you will see it's true.
If you look up the Stafford act you will see it's true.
If you look up Federalizing the Guard you will see it's true.
If you look up Incidence of National Signifigance you will see it's true.
If you look up City, State, and Federal States of Emergency you will see it's true.

You know why you will not ever find anything to clearly state the Fed was in charge of this response? Because it isn't true...it isn't possible under existing laws for it to be true.


The only way the Fed could have controlled the first responders is if the State and Local Governments could not convene...then the Fed could have declared a state of Martial Law...intself a dicey proposition since there is no allowance for Martial Law in the Louisiana Constitution...and any state of Martial Law would only have been temporary.

The Fed has admitted their responsibility in not being prepared for the enomority of the disaster...is getting bogged down in beaurecracy in their response...

But you are trying to attribute the State and Local Governments failures to the Fed...you are trying to put every last bit of this on the FED...

You are wrong...the State and Local Response was total and absolute incompetence and the blame for this catastrophe begins with them(and of course all the idiots who could have left but didn't).

[AFE7FATMAN]

Whottt

Hey Man give it up.

Dan
Don't
wont
can"t
refuses to
is in capable of
admitting that it was the State and Local government.

Some body told me I was obsessed with/hated Clinton

I replied that no I was not obsessed with or hated anyone, however
When I am 90 yrs old and in a home for old folks. I will die from a stroke.

Some 70 year old punk will tell me that Clinton and all the problems he caused
was simply because of a BJ.

I will have my stroke while beating the 70 yr old punk with my walker.

[Nbadan]

Dan...for the 104,397,594,764,506,450,687 time...the State and Local Government had authority over all Federal Responses...they had the responsiblity for the evac.

You can pretend it isn't true...but that doesn't change the fact that it is true.

If you look in the constitution you will it's true.
If you look up Posse Commititaus you will see it's true.
If you look up the Stafford act you will see it's true.
If you look up Federalizing the Guard you will see it's true.
If you look up Incidence of National Signifigance you will see it's true.
If you look up City, State, and Federal States of Emergency you will see it's true.

You know why you will not ever find anything to clearly state the Fed was in charge of this response? Because it isn't true...it isn't possible under existing laws for it to be true.


The only way the Fed could have controlled the first responders is if the State and Local Governments could not convene...then the Fed could have declared a state of Martial Law...intself a dicey proposition since there is no allowance for Martial Law in the Louisiana Constitution...and any state of Martial Law would only have been temporary.

The Fed has admitted their responsibility in not being prepared for the enomority of the disaster...is getting bogged down in beaurecracy in their response...

But you are trying to attribute the State and Local Governments failures to the Fed...you are trying to put every last bit of this on the FED...

You are wrong...the State and Local Response was total and absolute incompetence and the blame for this catastrophe begins with them(and of course all the idiots who could have left but didn't).

Whott, we've talked extensively about each of your 6 If's and in each case you have been unable to prove conclusively that the the FEDS did everything they needed to do under the both the Stafford Act (http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm) and the WH's own National Response Plan. (http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRPbaseplan.pdf) Everytime I bring this up you pretend like they don't exist, or you go off on a fit. Nor have you bothered to prove why the Local and State governments should be responsible for shouldering any of the blame for following the regional National Disaster Plan

If you don't have a better argument than Posse Commititaus, I don't see the real point in continueing to argue this with you. You'll obviously never get it.

[SpursWoman]

Then you haven't been listening to new initiatives by the admistration to get Federal Authority over the States in situations like this to avoid the potential incompetencies of local governments. And all commentary indicates that a presidential administration has tried this before and the Governors came unglued, basically, at the mere thought that they lose control over something.

Actually, you're the one that posted the news link to the story. Why would they make a big deal out of an administration getting more power over the states if they already have that power? It's because right now they DO NOT....however you choose to interpret the Stafford Act, they absolutely do not have the power over the State's authority that you think they do.

[CharlieMac]

Right wing media probably won't even let the public know people died in NO too.

[Hook Dem]

Right wing media probably won't even let the public know people died in NO too.
:lol Thats funny!

[xrayzebra]

By Michael Perlstein
Staff writer



NOLA (http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09_16.html#080431)

My, I wonder why NOLA chose to bury this story in the back-pages? Perhaps they didn't want to let all the administration spin about the death toll in NO not being that bad go to waste?

Perhaps you would like to read ANOTHER reason the toll was higher than it should have been. Wonder how Bush got these folks to block the bridge?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gretna16sep16,1,2856291.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

[SpursWoman]

Right wing media probably won't even let the public know people died in NO too.


Huh? :wtf

[Vashner]

What right wing media? You mean Rush and Hannity? Fox is not what I would call right wing (they call them that because they don't pro activly attack Bush not because of journalism).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

My, I wonder why NOLA chose to bury this story in the back-pages? Perhaps they didn't want to let all the administration spin about the death toll in NO not being that bad go to waste?

The only conclusion I can come to is you are the biggest fucking idiot I've ever encountered.

[Vashner]

NBAdan = Geraldo Rivera...

hahah aha ahahaha ahahahahahah

[RandomGuy]

What the hell are you talking about? They govt said there would be more bodies after the water goes down. Dude your like a vulture looking to get off on some dead corpses. If anything this makes the local government of democrats look bad.. not Bush.

Hurricanes won't stop targeting the Atlantic and Gulf states just because foreign terrorists have the nation in their crosshairs. Yet FEMA's budget has been cut each year since 2003. Its staff is down by 500, resulting in the loss of one of three emergency management teams. Local governments, which rely on FEMA when a natural disaster hits, warned that the agency's services were becoming thin. Little attention was paid.

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/editorials/story/2789900p-9229276c.html

[RandomGuy]

Whott, we've talked extensively about each of your 6 If's and in each case you have been unable to prove conclusively that the the FEDS did everything they needed to do under the both the Stafford Act (http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm) and the WH's own National Response Plan. (http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRPbaseplan.pdf) Everytime I bring this up you pretend like they don't exist, or you go off on a fit. Nor have you bothered to prove why the Local and State governments should be responsible for shouldering any of the blame for following the regional National Disaster Plan

If you don't have a better argument than Posse Commititaus, I don't see the real point in continueing to argue this with you. You'll obviously never get it.


Conservatives, or at least the ones that I have seen post in political forums, are physically unable to form rational, logical plans, nor are they able to admit fault on anything.

You could have a video tape of Bush saying "I am not going to cancel my fishing plans over some silly hurricane, just because some stupid Democrat asked for help." and they would still say it just proves how committed and disciplined he is...

[gtownspur]

^^^Liberals in all forums i visited have no real logic or morality in their way of belief. Anything to promote liberalism is noble to liberals, including having orgasmic pleasure over the political ramifications of a Hurricane. Almost every liberal that post's on a forum find the Democrat runned and financed Daily Kos as the most reliable news source.

[Marcus Bryant]

I have found ideologues on both sides in the US to be quite capable of overgeneralizing and fucking their sisters.

Shut the fuck up already. Neither of you offer an appealing choice.

[SpursWoman]

I have found ideologues on both sides in the US to be quite capable of overgeneralizing and fucking their sisters.

Shut the fuck up already. Neither of you offer an appealing choice.


I agree.

[Nbadan]

^^^Liberals in all forums i visited have no real logic or morality in their way of belief. Anything to promote liberalism is noble to liberals, including having orgasmic pleasure over the political ramifications of a Hurricane. Almost every liberal that post's on a forum find the Democrat runned and financed Daily Kos as the most reliable news source.

At least DailyKos is man enough to nut up and admit when they are wrong, let me see, how many times has FAUXNews or Drudge admitted when they were wrong?

:hat

[Vashner]

Drudge is a convert... (X lefty)... But yea I have never heard him apologize for anything.