View Full Version : Joakim Noah should be a Spur
SsKSpurs21
10-30-2015, 09:54 AM
I used to hate this guy but he exemplifies the meaning of a Spurs player.
http://www.bullsnation.net/joakim-noah-responds-amazingly-to-coming-off-bench/
Joakim Noah is a team player, something that has been evidenced by his entire career, but for the first time since his rookie season, he is being asked to accept a “lesser role”. It was difficult to gauge what to expect in terms of a response from Noah but his team first attitude once again showed why he’s so perfect for Chicago.
Noah on Hoiberg selling him plan to come off bench: "He didn't have to sell me anything. I want to win."
UNT Eagles 2016
10-30-2015, 10:05 AM
I love his passion, but he kinda sucks
dabom
10-30-2015, 10:06 AM
Top 5 in MVP votes like 2 years ago. I don't pay attention to east teams but sounds like the dude is washed up like tony.
hater
10-30-2015, 10:07 AM
hes a playoff loser than never has stepped up his game in the real competition. fuck him
baseline bum
10-30-2015, 10:22 AM
Noah's coming off the bench because his game has fallen off hugely since 2013. We already have a player like that on our team tbh.
Leetonidas
10-30-2015, 10:38 AM
Hes fucking garbage. He's happy to be benched so maybe him bricking shots at the rim wont be as noticed. His saving grace was his defense and he's not even good at that anymore. Literally the definition of a player whose game fell off a cliff
lefty
10-30-2015, 10:40 AM
Better passer than Parker tbh
freetiago
10-30-2015, 10:41 AM
Noah is trash. Most overrated player recently. Got his shit pushed in during his DPOY season by Nene in the playoffs. Gets praised for his passing even though the Bulls were the worst offensive team in the NBA while he was leading the team in assists. Also can't score 2 feet from the rim. Would much rather have Splitter then him since he cost half as much, is less injury prone, better offensive player, and he actually shuts down top tier PF/C instead of getting anal prolapsed by bottom-mid tier ones.
dabom
10-30-2015, 10:47 AM
Faggot stinky frenchie.
Chinook
10-30-2015, 11:24 AM
Most overrated player recently. Got his shit pushed in during his DPOY season by Nene in the playoffs.
Yeah, I've never seen a guy get embarrassed as badly as Noah did during that series. That's probably what killed his career.
HarlemHeat37
10-30-2015, 11:27 AM
Why would the Spurs want a former All-Star with French roots that is currently a below average player? Doesn't really seem like it would fit with this current team..
LongtimeSpursFan
10-30-2015, 11:35 AM
Noah wants to do whatever it takes to help his team and Kawhi wants more shots and not pass. the ball.
ceperez
10-30-2015, 12:09 PM
He's a hard worker and has length.... but has zero skills.
He doesn't even move like a basketball player... in fact.. I think he moves like a tennis player. ;-)
ElNono
10-30-2015, 12:09 PM
Why would the Spurs want a former All-Star with French roots that is currently a below average player? Doesn't really seem like it would fit with this current team..
:lol...
BatManu20
10-30-2015, 12:13 PM
Why would the Spurs want a former All-Star with French roots that is currently a below average player? Doesn't really seem like it would fit with this current team..
:tu
NASpurs
10-30-2015, 12:14 PM
Why would the Spurs want a former All-Star with French roots that is currently a below average player? Doesn't really seem like it would fit with this current team..
:lmao
BatManu20
10-30-2015, 12:16 PM
Noah was pretty awful last year… and I don't just mean by his standards. I mean by an NBA starting big man's standards. He was missing layups left and right and couldn't make a jumpshot to save his life.
It got so bad, Bulls fans were begging for him to be benched in last year's playoffs against Cleveland. He's on the wrong side of 30 and is a major liability on offense. I don't see how he'd be a good fit here tbh.
I'll contribute $5 to this project. It's worth whatever diaw got....yeah I know diaw is special and was obviously mentally half assing but he also was fat and slimmed down. Obv Noah's not better than David west though, and we still have diaw. And I guess rasuall butler is also a tsob project. Bonner too....jeez this team is old
YGWHI
10-30-2015, 12:19 PM
He has the right attitude, but also a so limeted game.
We need to have a rebounder bigman in our second unit but the Spurs don't need Noah, just play a bit more Duncan/LMA with Diaw or West.
BatManu20
10-30-2015, 12:22 PM
Oh and Noah is making $13.4 Million this season, same as Parker. Highway robbery :lol
Kawhitstorm
10-30-2015, 12:52 PM
Yeah, I've never seen a guy get embarrassed as badly as Noah did during that series. That's probably what killed his career.
All-Star Brad Miller getting sonned by Jerome James is right up there...
Chinook
10-30-2015, 01:17 PM
All that said, if Tim retires, Noah may be the best the Spurs can afford. That's even more true if Tim and Manu opt in before retiring. I think the key to getting a more effective Noah is to play him less, and with LMA getting some minutes at the five and Boban and potentially Milunitov being on the roster, I think it's possible to keep him under 30 mpg.
That said, I too would rather try to trade back for Splitter than pay Joakim.
Hoops Czar
10-30-2015, 01:22 PM
Why would the Spurs want a former All-Star with French roots that is currently a below average player? Doesn't really seem like it would fit with this current team..
Spurs signed David West didn't they?. You do know the difference between overpaid and below average, don't you? What stat are you using to determine that he's below average?
TheGreatYacht
10-30-2015, 01:34 PM
Better passer than Kawhi. I'll take it
Brian Windhorst
10-30-2015, 01:50 PM
Thibs ran him into the ground tbh. Washed up at age 30, same with Deng
ElNono
10-30-2015, 01:58 PM
All that said, if Tim retires, Noah may be the best the Spurs can afford. That's even more true if Tim and Manu opt in before retiring. I think the key to getting a more effective Noah is to play him less, and with LMA getting some minutes at the five and Boban and potentially Milunitov being on the roster, I think it's possible to keep him under 30 mpg.
No thanks
Chinook
10-30-2015, 02:03 PM
No thanks
Who do you think you think is going to start at the five if Duncan retires next season? Serge Ibaka isn't walking through that door.
ElNono
10-30-2015, 02:37 PM
Who do you think you think is going to start at the five if Duncan retires next season? Serge Ibaka isn't walking through that door.
I dunno, I have to look at the list of FAs, but not Noah...
Chinook
10-30-2015, 02:50 PM
I dunno, I have to look at the list of FAs, but not Noah...
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2016/ufa/center/
It's not the best list, especially considering the fact that the Spurs will likely be at a financial disadvantage to the majority of teams.
Mr Bones
10-30-2015, 02:52 PM
If he'd sign at a reduced price? Sure. And especially if Duncan retires. His assist and assist-to-turnover rate are both outstanding-- better than Boris Diaw's.
TheGreatYacht
10-30-2015, 02:57 PM
Spurfan wants a big that can defend, score, pass, rebound, block, be a great locker room guy, has to be in his prime.... All for 10M or less
Noah would be a great fit when Duncan hangs them up. Hopefully Parker can give us another gem of a signing. Don't see why two former DPOY winners on the same team is a bad thing....
DrunkTXLabrat
10-30-2015, 02:58 PM
i think Noah still has something left in the tank. and i think he's absolutely the type of vet the spurs could rejuvenate. but i think his personality is too firey for the spurs. Pop likes em submissive and quiet.
DarrinS
10-30-2015, 03:01 PM
Pass. Worst shooting mechanics -- EVER. Decent defender and rebounder, tho.
Yeah, definitely no, we're holding for Hibbert
ElNono
10-30-2015, 03:54 PM
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2016/ufa/center/
It's not the best list, especially considering the fact that the Spurs will likely be at a financial disadvantage to the majority of teams.
I'll take Horford, Nene and Mozgov over Noah... frankly, I wonder what the asking price would be on Hibbert... I know him and Tim are close...
Noah is a douchebag... and character does matter to the Spurs...
SpursBig3s
10-30-2015, 04:16 PM
I'll take Horford, Nene and Mozgov over Noah... frankly, I wonder what the asking price would be on Hibbert... I know him and Tim are close...
Noah is a douchebag... and character does matter to the Spurs...
hell no to Nene, but hell yes to Horford
Keep in mind this guy is playing in the East against lesser competition...
East bigs:
Horford, Mozgov, Nene, Millsap, Pachulia, Olynyk, Monroe, Drummond, Whiteside, Thompson, Gortat etc.
Western bigs:
Duncan, Aldridge, Gasol, Jordan, Bogut, Ibaka, Nowitzki, Favors, Gobert, Davis, Asik, Howard, Cousins etc.
Not really comparable, the talent in the West kills the East. Last year the Spurs played the 56 win Clippers in the 1st, last year the Bulls played the 41 win Bucks in the 1st. Big step up in competition. The 6th seed 41 win Bucks team would probably finish 11th in the West.
TheDoctor
10-30-2015, 04:36 PM
Why would the Spurs want a former All-Star with French roots that is currently a below average player? Doesn't really seem like it would fit with this current team..
:lmao
Chinook
10-30-2015, 04:57 PM
I'll take Horford, Nene and Mozgov over Noah... frankly, I wonder what the asking price would be on Hibbert... I know him and Tim are close...
Noah is a douchebag... and character does matter to the Spurs...
Well Horford is ideal, but I'm assuming he's priced out of the Spurs' range (best case is about $15 Million in cap space assuming Diaw stays). Nene has been done ever since he took Noah's cookie. I'd be willing to have him replace West as the bench center (and would pay him a decent amount to do it), but I dunno if I'd give him starter's money, as he isn't really a starter anymore. Mozgov is probably the only one who's attainable and a potential upgrade. And all it takes is one team offering a max to take him away. Then you end up having to overpay Fetus Ezeli. Maybe there's an awesome big that's going to be available in the draft, but honestly, the Spurs better pray that Tim doesn't retire until 2017.
ElNono
10-30-2015, 06:27 PM
Well Horford is ideal, but I'm assuming he's priced out of the Spurs' range (best case is about $15 Million in cap space assuming Diaw stays). Nene has been done ever since he took Noah's cookie. I'd be willing to have him replace West as the bench center (and would pay him a decent amount to do it), but I dunno if I'd give him starter's money, as he isn't really a starter anymore. Mozgov is probably the only one who's attainable and a potential upgrade. And all it takes is one team offering a max to take him away. Then you end up having to overpay Fetus Ezeli. Maybe there's an awesome big that's going to be available in the draft, but honestly, the Spurs better pray that Tim doesn't retire until 2017.
You know, you shouldn't discount Bonner coming back for yet another year, and he's started before, tbh :lol
Ellsworth
10-30-2015, 06:28 PM
Better passer than Kawhi. I'll take it
You think the BULLS would take KL in a trade for NOAH... surely, you'd like that?? :troll:nope
HarlemHeat37
10-30-2015, 06:28 PM
Nene is beyond finished, tbh:lol..very painful to watch him play nowadays..
ElNono
10-30-2015, 06:29 PM
There's trades that could be made too, tbh... trading back for Splitter shouldn't be out of the question either...
100%duncan
10-30-2015, 07:46 PM
All that said, if Tim retires, Noah may be the best the Spurs can afford. That's even more true if Tim and Manu opt in before retiring. I think the key to getting a more effective Noah is to play him less, and with LMA getting some minutes at the five and Boban and potentially Milunitov being on the roster, I think it's possible to keep him under 30 mpg.
That said, I too would rather try to trade back for Splitter than pay Joakim.
No one said you need to fill that spot up desperately
random21
10-30-2015, 07:53 PM
He would fit a huge need, but no way in hell do we get him or afford.......
Kawhitstorm
10-30-2015, 08:11 PM
The guy has flamed out early playing for Thibs just like Deng. His body has broken down & there is no turning back. Hibbert is a more likely option if he has a bounce back season.
Chinook
10-30-2015, 10:28 PM
No one said you need to fill that spot up desperately
Yeah, it would be the biggest need in Spurs history.
Who do you think you think is going to start at the five if Duncan retires next season? Serge Ibaka isn't walking through that door.
You think Noah comes for less than the MLE? There are 29 other teams out there and at least one always does dumb things. If he performs at last year's level adjusted for less minutes, someone needy of a big will give him money and hope for a reclamation project. I mean, Aron Baynes got $6mm.
That said, I didn't realize he has two points in 42 minutes this year. That's kind of bad.
TheGreatYacht
10-31-2015, 12:25 AM
You think Noah comes for less than the MLE? There are 29 other teams out there and at least one always does dumb things. If he performs at last year's level adjusted for less minutes, someone needy of a big will give him money and hope for a reclamation project. I mean, Aron Baynes got $6mm.
That said, I didn't realize he has two points in 42 minutes this year. That's kind of bad.
Is the MLE all the Spurs have to offer when he's a free agent?
Kawhitstorm
10-31-2015, 05:50 AM
Well Horford is ideal, but I'm assuming he's priced out of the Spurs' range (best case is about $15 Million in cap space assuming Diaw stays). Nene has been done ever since he took Noah's cookie. I'd be willing to have him replace West as the bench center (and would pay him a decent amount to do it), but I dunno if I'd give him starter's money, as he isn't really a starter anymore. Mozgov is probably the only one who's attainable and a potential upgrade. And all it takes is one team offering a max to take him away. Then you end up having to overpay Fetus Ezeli. Maybe there's an awesome big that's going to be available in the draft, but honestly, the Spurs better pray that Tim doesn't retire until 2017.
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Kawhitstorm
10-31-2015, 06:34 AM
Is the MLE all the Spurs have to offer when he's a free agent?
He doesn't deserve anything more than the MLE until he proves that he can play at a high level to be a legit starter & at the same time stay healthy. I remember Chandler having a career revival once he landed in Dallas (same w/ Camby in Denver) but Noah looks shot beyond repair at this point b/c he's an old 30 yr old w/ a chronic knee issue.
If we are talkin about vets that could be had for a bargain then I would rather have a healthy Hibbert whose only major issue happens to be a shaky confidence. Otherwise, he tore DPOY Chandler & All-Star Bosh another one in 2013 when his confidence was sky high. He can just clog the paint & block shots while LMA does the rebounding/scoring. He was able to contain the same Boogie that destroyed DeAndre in his previous game & can come in handy against Westbrook's kamikaze drives to the hoop w/ his verticality. He's unplayable against small ball lineups but that's Diaw' job. Guy like Gobert/Ezeli/Whiteside are going to get a max offer & Noah is from Brooklyn so he might want to play for the Knicks, actually he would be perfect for the triangle offense.
Johnny RIngo
10-31-2015, 06:47 AM
He doesn't deserve anything more than the MLE until he proves that he can play at a high level to be a legit starter & at the same time stay healthy. I remember Chandler having a career revival once he landed in Dallas (same w/ Camby in Denver) but Noah looks shot beyond repair at this point b/c he's an old 30 yr old w/ a chronic knee issue.
If we are talkin about vets that could be had for a bargain then I would rather have a healthy Hibbert whose only major issue happens to be a shaky confidence. Otherwise, he tore DPOY Chandler & All-Star Bosh another one in 2013 when his confidence was sky high. He can just clog the paint & block shots while LMA does the rebounding/scoring. He was able to contain the same Boogie that destroyed DeAndre in his previous game & can come in handy against Westbrook's kamikaze drives to the hoop w/ his verticality. He's unplayable against small ball lineups but that's Diaw' job. Guy like Gobert/Ezeli/Whiteside are going to get a max offer & Noah is from Brooklyn so he might want to play for the Knicks, actually he would be perfect for the triangle offense.
Knicks look like they're crowded at center right now. They have Robin Lopez locked up for the next four years and Porzingis is going to need as much playing time as possible to adjust to the NBA. Wouldn't make sense to sign Noah next summer either since the Knicks still have their 2017 pick and will probably be looking to tank next year for a top 5 prospect.
Chinook
10-31-2015, 09:19 AM
[QUOTE=cjw;8244015]You think Noah comes for less than the MLE? /QUOTE]
As I said a few posts back, the Spurs will probably have some cap space next off-season, but they won't have a ton. They'll only be able to pursue lower second-tier and third-tier guys.
Chinook
10-31-2015, 09:21 AM
There's trades that could be made too, tbh... trading back for Splitter shouldn't be out of the question either...
Yeah, we've been saying that. Not just Splitter. There are some options around the league that would make sense if those teams want to sell. But I dunno if I'd give up Anderson or a pick to get them over Noah.
ElNono
10-31-2015, 09:44 AM
Yeah, we've been saying that. Not just Splitter. There are some options around the league that would make sense if those teams want to sell. But I dunno if I'd give up Anderson or a pick to get them over Noah.
It's kinda early to worry, IMO... while it's ok to speculate, I think what happens next year is largely dependent on how we do this season. Meaning, if the Spurs do really, really well, I expect the entire team to pretty much look the same, barring catastrophic injuries...
100%duncan
11-01-2015, 11:06 AM
Yeah, it would be the biggest need in Spurs history.
You missed the word desperately? Yes we'll need to fill our C spot once Tim retires, but not with another declining player that isn't even one-dimensional anymore because he doesn't offer any decent defense. He'll also probably command a good amount of money.
Kikoluna
11-01-2015, 11:11 AM
It would certainly be an upgrade at the point guard position. We can give them parker. With lunch money, but please. ..just take Parker
Chinook
11-01-2015, 11:12 AM
You missed the word desperately? Yes we'll need to fill our C spot once Tim retires, but not with another declining player that isn't even one-dimensional anymore because he doesn't offer any decent defense. He'll also probably command a good amount of money.
No, I didn't miss the word. They WOULD be desperate to replace him, more than they ever have been in their history.
spurs10
11-01-2015, 01:42 PM
I'll take Horford, Nene and Mozgov over Noah... frankly, I wonder what the asking price would be on Hibbert... I know him and Tim are close...
Noah is a douchebag... and character does matter to the Spurs... I think ElNono is being too kind. "Douchebag" is a bit light.
TD 21
11-01-2015, 10:34 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Splitter will be the next starting C of the Spurs, if Duncan plays out his contract. They probably have a wink wink agreement with him and the Hawks may even know about it.
Essentially, they rented a starting C (even though he's obviously their third big) for free, for two years.
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