why is that when Kawhi dominates (>= 18FGAs), 4 out of 10 times the spurs lose...

[Brazil]

For reference Spurs are globally a 70% winning franchise

Since Spurs signed kawhi, Spurs lost 40% of the time when Kawhi took at least 18 FGAs (15 games 6 losses and 9 wins). It seems this Heroballing (fortunately not that frequent yet) takes the rest of the team out of the games...

It's only 15 games so no big deal but now Kawhi is Spurs best player and his share on the offense is gonna increase, we will see much more of those +18 FGAs games. Is it something to be worried about tbh ?

Parker, in his prime, found a way to logg a 80% winrate by involving his teammates and giving assists. He maybe should help Kawhi finding the good balance...



On a side note, too bad Tony is now past his prime... imagine both playing together on their prime tbh :wow

[ElNono]

You mean the Spurs win 60% of the time Kawhi has >= 18FGAs?

That's pretty good, thanks for the stat

[DarrinS]

I suspect we were playing some really good teams when he had those games with 18+ FGA.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Short bus buried

[DarrinS]

He's doing exactly what the coaches are asking him to do, tbh.

[DarrinS]

:lol Short bus buried

Sup, hater?

[Brazil]

You mean the Spurs win 60% of the time Kawhi has >= 18FGAs?

That's pretty good, thanks for the stat

That's actually pretty bad compared to the % of win when kawhi has <= 18 FGAs or compared to a winning % of the franchise around 70% tbh fwiw

Also 60% over 82 games is a season below 50 wins which is not very Spurs... you barely make the POs with 60% in the west

[TheGreatYacht]

When Parker shot 18+ FGA, it wasn't because of the coaches telling him so. He controls his shots and minutes played. That's why we call him Enrique. Kawhi is innocent of hero balling, these are Pop's orders

The double standard around here is a joke.

[Hoops Czar]

You mean the Spurs win 60% of the time Kawhi has >= 18FGAs?

That's pretty good, thanks for the stat

Good thing it's only a SSS and not an every game occurrence. That equates to about 49 wins and possibly the eighth seed in the western conference.

[JeffDuncan]

For reference Spurs are globally a 70% winning franchise

Since Spurs signed kawhi, Spurs lost 40% of the time when Kawhi took at least 18 FGAs (15 games ...

List those games.

[Aztecfan03]

Because most of those games are when the big 3 weren't playing.

[SpursforSix]

I agree. MORE PARKER PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElNono]

That's actually pretty bad compared to the % of win when kawhi has <= 18 FGAs or compared to a winning % of the franchise around 70% tbh fwiw

Also 60% over 82 games is a season below 50 wins which is not very Spurs... you barely make the POs with 60% in the west

It's difficult to say how good or bad it is without comparing to the win % of other players in similar instances. I suspect 60% is actually pretty good, but feel free to compile the list to compare...

[ElNono]

I mean isn't 70% the winning most record the Spurs have across all pro sports?

[DarrinS]

Last season, in games with 17+ FGA, we are 10/13 (76%)

[KL2]

18+ means he's forced to, that's when Parker is getting shut down and finally has to give up the rock, only against good teams. Spurs stop giving Leonard the ball when they're up, and they're generally up because of Leonard. Leonard doesn't really try against lesser teams either, Parker on the other hand lol...

[apalisoc_9]

Last season, in games with 17+ FGA, we are 10/13 (76%)

[K...]

Nothing sadder than when people respond to a troll thread without additional humor. Sad display by the kawhi white knight crew.



Obv the old kawhi had limited passing skills and the greater spurs offense involved the motion or hyper motion offense, which kawhi wasn't smart enough to do back then. When kawhi went for glory it was cause pop wanted to lose in the hopes of training Leonard to be more team friendly. Well we saw that fail last year so the best we can do is have Leonard lead us until lma gets comfortable. Maybe with more time kawhi will learn to pass to lma more. Until then let him chuck.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hopefully LMA will lead the team in FGA tonight so we can finally get our first win...

[Hoops Czar]

I mean isn't 70% the winning most record the Spurs have across all pro sports?

Not sure where you're getting 70% from but the Spurs don't even own a .600 winning % in franchise history.

[DarrinS]

Not sure where you're getting 70% from but the Spurs don't even own a .600 winning % in franchise history.

Fail

[apalisoc_9]

Last season, in games with 17+ FGA, we are 10/13 (76%)

:flag:

[dabom]

DarrinS just took a shit on Brazils chest.

[DarrinS]

Last season, in games with 17+ FGA, we are 10/13 (76%)


In games where TP has 17+ FGA, we are 10/16 (62.5%)


Like Elnono pointed out, 60% is still pretty damn good.

[RD2191]

You mean the Spurs win 60% of the time Kawhi has >= 18FGAs?

That's pretty good, thanks for the stat

Lol. French faggot OP destroyed with first post.

[dabom]

We have a 0% winning percentage last playoffs when Tony takes 17 or more shots. And a 33% winning percentage when he takes 15 or more shots.

[dabom]

Stop chucking porker. Stinky french faggot.

[Hoops Czar]

Fail

Simple math isn't your forte.

[TheGreatYacht]

595685549630988289

[dabom]

Tony was the worst rotation player in the playoffs. We could have won another 'chip without this faggot around.

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol a scrub like CJ McCollum already surpassing Kawhi's scoring high.

[dabom]

We have a 0% winning percentage last playoffs when Tony takes 17 or more shots. And a 33% winning percentage when he takes 15 or more shots.

[TheGreatYacht]

595685549630988289

[TheDoctor]

^ Forgot to switch accounts.

[Brazil]

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

^ Forgot to switch accounts.
^ doesn't want to explain how he knows all this shit from 3 years ago, when he "just joined" Spurstalk.

Lol alts

[Brazil]

Not sure where you're getting 70% from but the Spurs don't even own a .600 winning % in franchise history.

Dat fail tho :lmao

[TXstbobcat]

how original. Another Parker vs. Leonard thread.

[Clipper Nation]

^ Forgot to switch accounts.

:lmao The one-tranny Kat Krew getting exposed over and over again

[Clipper Nation]

Last season, in games with 17+ FGA, we are 10/13 (76%)


We have a 0% winning percentage last playoffs when Tony takes 17 or more shots. And a 33% winning percentage when he takes 15 or more shots.


Stop chucking porker. Stinky french faggot.


Tony was the worst rotation player in the playoffs. We could have won another 'chip without this faggot around.

[Kool Bob Love]

1st round exit and 6. Thanks Kawhi.

[Clipper Nation]

1st round exit and 6. Thanks Kawhi.


MVParker went 6-23. Yeah the "leader" all season couldn't hit a shot that night. Parker pulled a "kobe". Not even gonna bother to bring up his game 7 stats.

[dabom]

Clips with the truth bombs. Wow. Lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Dabom with the hand jobs. Wow. Lol

[Kool Bob Love]

:lmao The one-tranny Kat Krew getting exposed over and over again

https://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png?w=500&h=390

[Kool Bob Love]

Clips with the truth bombs. Wow. Lol

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Yyv5sJAuL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

I love Kawhi. He's the future of the Spurs

[dabom]

MVPKL lol

[Clipper Nation]

https://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png?w=500&h=390


Kawhi will be my top 5 fav spurs IF he gets a ring with us... Right now I support him 110%. :toast

[Clipper Nation]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2LiOjxxTuo

A star is born. Clap for em. :clap

[Kool Bob Love]

https://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png?w=500&h=390

[TheGreatYacht]

https://bendavidwong.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screen-shot-2013-06-22-at-7-03-40-pm.png?w=500&h=390
:pctoss

[DarrinS]

Not sure where you're getting 70% from but the Spurs don't even own a .600 winning % in franchise history.



Dat fail tho :lmao


He must be including ABA years. Since joining the NBA in 1977, the Spurs are at 0.615.

[Silver&Black]

how original. Another Parker vs. Leonard thread.

Stay tuned. The same 10 faggots will create 10 more by the end of the night.

[rasuo214]

Lol a scrub like CJ McCollum already surpassing Kawhi's scoring high.


Kawhi takes too many shots = Kawhobe Bryonard

Kawhi doesn't score a lot of points = Lol a scrub like CJ McCollum already surpassing Kawhi's scoring high


Can't even stay consistent with your trolling.

[ElNono]

Not sure where you're getting 70% from but the Spurs don't even own a .600 winning % in franchise history.

IIRC, that's the record during the Duncan era

[SuperCam]

OP with the truth nukes :wow


Krewtards can't :downspin: this

[ElNono]

Thus, since the 1997–98 season, the Spurs have actually had 18 consecutive seasons with a winning percentage of .610 or greater during the regular season which is also an NBA record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs

[DarrinS]

Thus, since the 1997–98 season, the Spurs have actually had 18 consecutive seasons with a winning percentage of .610 or greater during the regular season which is also an NBA record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs


:tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi takes too many shots = Kawhobe Bryonard

Kawhi doesn't score a lot of points = Lol a scrub like CJ McCollum already surpassing Kawhi's scoring high


Can't even stay consistent with your trolling.
Parker scores a lot, efficiently = Enrique Hero baller

Parker doesn't score a lot = same type of player as Shane Larkin

Parker can't win on here, face it.

Cant even stay consistent with your trolling.

[rasuo214]

Parker scores a lot, efficiently = Enrique Hero baller

Parker doesn't score a lot = same type of player as Shane Larkin

Parker can't win on here, face it.

Cant even stay consistent with your trolling.

So other trolls do it = it's ok to do it. Got it.

At least you admit to being as bad as the Parker trolls.

[Hoops Czar]

Thus, since the 1997–98 season, the Spurs have actually had 18 consecutive seasons with a winning percentage of .610 or greater during the regular season which is also an NBA record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs

True dat. Ya know, a lot of part time bandwagoners here actually think the Spurs franchise started back in 1997 because that's when they climbed aboard. However, the franchise has actually been in existence since 1968.

[TheGreatYacht]

So other trolls do it = it's ok to do it. Got it.

At least you admit to being as bad as the Parker trolls.
No. Just going by the double standard around here is all.

[Brazil]

IIRC, that's the record during the Duncan era

Since duncan was drafted worst Spurs season 61% season 09-10 in then you have 11 seasons >= 70%, best season 76% average around 70% which is crazy when you think about it

[rasuo214]

BTW I was curious who was the best ball hog on the team (only checked Big3 and Kawhi):

With 20 or more FGA (because it's a round number unlike 18).

Tony Parker 105-45 = 70%
Kawhi Leonard 2-1 = 66.7%
Manu Ginobili 19-11 = 63.3%
Tim Duncan 179-125 = 58.9%

[Brazil]

True dat. Ya know, a lot of part time bandwagoners here actually think the Spurs franchise started back in 1997 because that's when they climbed aboard. However, the franchise has actually been in existence since 1968.

Sorry I did not digg back in 1968... Too bad that would be so relevant for this particular discussion :lol

[ElNono]

Since duncan was drafted worst Spurs season 61% season 09-10 in then you have 11 seasons >= 70%, best season 76% average around 70% which is crazy when you think about it

Yup, as mentioned, current NBA record, and probably an NBA record for a while.

[rasuo214]

No. Just going by the double standard around here is all.

You realize that makes you look just as bad, just saying. Continue your trolling though.

[ElNono]

BTW I was curious who was the best ball hog on the team (only checked Big3 and Kawhi):

With 20 or more FGA (because it's a round number unlike 18).

Tony Parker 105-45 = 70%
Kawhi Leonard 2-1 = 66.7%
Manu Ginobili 19-11 = 63.3%
Tim Duncan 179-125 = 58.9%

wow, Manu only 30 games with 20 FGA or more? That's crazy. I would've bet he had more.

[Brazil]

BTW I was curious who was the best ball hog on the team (only checked Big3 and Kawhi):

With 20 or more FGA (because it's a round number unlike 18).

Tony Parker 105-45 = 70%
Kawhi Leonard 2-1 = 66.7%
Manu Ginobili 19-11 = 63.3%
Tim Duncan 179-125 = 58.9%

:tu good find

[Brazil]

Yup, as mentioned, current NBA record, and probably an NBA record for a while.

Greatness tbh...

[Brazil]

At least this thread is engaging a discussion with some numbers and facts unlike certain other threads throwing random numbers out there not even backed up :lol

[Hoops Czar]

For reference Spurs are globally a 70% winning franchise

Since Spurs signed kawhi, Spurs lost 40% of the time when Kawhi took at least 18 FGAs (15 games 6 losses and 9 wins). It seems this Heroballing (fortunately not that frequent yet) takes the rest of the team out of the games...

It's only 15 games so no big deal but now Kawhi is Spurs best player and his share on the offense is gonna increase, we will see much more of those +18 FGAs games. Is it something to be worried about tbh ?

Parker, in his prime, found a way to logg a 80% winrate by involving his teammates and giving assists. He maybe should help Kawhi finding the good balance...



On a side note, too bad Tony is now past his prime... imagine both playing together on their prime tbh :wow


Sorry I did not digg back in 1968... Too bad that would be so relevant for this particular discussion :lol

I hear ya. It's only relevant because you said it. Maybe if you would have specified "the Duncan era"

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-7-best-american-teams-of-all-time-in-any-major-sport.html/?a=viewall

[DarrinS]

BTW I was curious who was the best ball hog on the team (only checked Big3 and Kawhi):

With 20 or more FGA (because it's a round number unlike 18).

Tony Parker 105-45 = 70%
Kawhi Leonard 2-1 = 66.7%
Manu Ginobili 19-11 = 63.3%
Tim Duncan 179-125 = 58.9%


Kawhi with only 3 games with 20+ FGA? What a selfish prick. :lol

Now I understand the Kobe comparison. :lmao

[Brazil]

I hear ya. It's only relevant because you said it. Maybe if you would have specified "the Duncan era"

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-7-best-american-teams-of-all-time-in-any-major-sport.html/?a=viewall

point taken bra I should have mentioned Duncan era... Sorry

[ElNono]

At least this thread is engaging a discussion with some numbers and facts unlike certain other threads throwing random numbers out there not even backed up :lol

I'm only here to talk basketball, tbh...

[Hoops Czar]

point taken bra I should have mentioned Duncan era... Sorry:toast No problem.

[K...]

True dat. Ya know, a lot of part time bandwagoners here actually think the Spurs franchise started back in 1997 because that's when they climbed aboard. However, the franchise has actually been in existence since 1968.

It's even worse! At least the 1997 bandwagon fans appreciate the big three. The millennial scum thinks it's all only kawhi. You watch, as soon as Duncan retires your gonna hear people say Leonard> Duncan.

[Brazil]

I'm only here to talk basketball, tbh...

:lol almost

[lilbthebasedgod]

This is bad statistics. What is the sample size? You have to check for that to calculate in uncertainty.

[dabom]

This thread. :lmao

[dabom]

OP a faggot per par. And I'm glad Tony is averaging less than 10 shots a game. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

This thread. :lmao

:lol

[dabom]

This is bump material if I've ever seen one. :lmao

[Refocus]

Fucking lol'd.

[Brazil]

This thread. :lmao

:lol you are so trash and useless.. you did not use faggot it's already something

[Brazil]

:lol

don't make me bump the thread where I got you blatantly lying tbh :lol

why a new age fan, guru of advanced metrics, hating on the 80s would lie 80% on a message board tbh ?

[dabom]

:lol you are so trash and useless.. you did not use faggot it's already something

This thread is trash and useless. Stay mad faggot. :lmao

[TrainOfThought5]

It's even worse! At least the 1997 bandwagon fans appreciate the big three. The millennial scum thinks it's all only kawhi. You watch, as soon as Duncan retires your gonna hear people say Leonard> Duncan.

Millenial scum?? LMAO i think youre being a little tough on the kids. They cant help when they were born. And yeah, i hate NASF too, but Duncan has been playing great for so long (those 2013 finals numbers were INSANE for his age) that i think mollenials have a good appreciation for what Duncan is, and how he great hes been.

[Brazil]

:lol you know what is funny ?

Spurs are 14-3 so far .824

Kawhi had 6 games in which his FGAs were >= 18, we lost 3 of those 6 games... so ya in 2015, thread title should why is that when Kawhi dominates (>=18 FGAs), 1 out of 2 the spurs lose... :lmao

Dabom come here and spin dat shit

[Brazil]

This thread is trash and useless. Stay mad faggot. :lmao

50% faggot :lmao

[dabom]

:lol you know what is funny ?

Spurs are 14-3 so far .824

Kawhi had 6 games in which his FGAs were >= 18, we lost 3 of those 6 games... so ya in 2015, thread title should why is that when Kawhi dominates (>=18 FGAs), 1 out of 2 the spurs lose... :lmao

Dabom come here and spin dat shit

Spurs are 10/13 when Kawhi shoots 15 FGA or more. That's on pace for a 63 win season. Stay mad faggot. :lmao

I'm glad when Kawhi dominates and Tony is a role player. Said this last year.

FYI kawhi had 25,8,1,1,1 games those 3 lost games

Lost versus OKC which he completely dominated Durant. :lmao

Lost versus Washington. Tony can't defend worth shit against a good backcourt. :lmao

Lost vs the Pelicans. I don't even know what happened there. :lol

OP never applies context to anything ever. :lmao

[Mel_13]

:lol you know what is funny ?

Spurs are 14-3 so far .824

Kawhi had 6 games in which his FGAs were >= 18, we lost 3 of those 6 games... so ya in 2015, thread title should why is that when Kawhi dominates (>=18 FGAs), 1 out of 2 the spurs lose... :lmao

Dabom come here and spin dat shit

:lol

You can do even better if your goal is maximum krew reaction:

Kawhi Leonard has at least 18 FGAs in 100% of Spurs losses this season.

[Brazil]

Spurs are 10/13 when Kawhi shoots 15 FGA or more. That's on pace for a 63 win season. Stay mad faggot. :lmao

I'm glad when Kawhi dominates and Tony is a role player. Said this last year.

FYI kawhi had 25,8,1,1,1 games those 3 lost games

Lost versus OKC which he completely dominated Durant. :lmao

Lost versus Washington. Tony can't defend worth shit against a good backcourt. :lmao

Lost vs the Pelicans. I don't even know what happened there. :lol

OP never applies context to anything ever. :lmao

:lol faggot you bumped my thread, I did not ask for this shit so now you don't change the criteria... you were making fun of this thread with its >=18 FGAs, deal with it. When Kawhi took >= 18 it gave the 3 losses of the season for only 3 wins...

If you go 15 FGAs, I'd say yes when spurs offense is more distibuted and Kawhi FGAs are in check, Spurs are 100% for one one. For two I go to the strictly > 18 FGAs, Spurs are 3 losses on 3 games. :lmao

if you think this thread useless and trash you should think also Apo thread about parker dominating offense is even more thrash and useless...

:lol double standard

Dude really I'm sorry this bump back fired so badly :lol I had not checked this stuff... I spit my coffee on my screen when I checked this season number with the >= 18 FGAs... too good to be true... boy dat as whipping :lol

[dabom]

:lol faggot you bumped my thread, I did not ask for this shit so now you don't change the criteria... you were making fun of this thread with its >=18 FGAs, deal with it. When Kawhi took >= 18 it gave the 3 losses of the season for only 3 wins...

If you go 15 FGAs, I'd say yes when spurs offense is more distibuted and Kawhi FGAs are in check, Spurs are 100% for one one. For two I go to the strictly > 18 FGAs, Spurs are 3 losses on 3 games. :lmao

if you think this thread useless and trash you should think also Apo thread about parker dominating offense is even more thrash and useless...

:lol double standard

Dude really I'm sorry this bump back fired so badly :lol I had not checked this stuff... I spit my coffee on my screen when I checked this season number with the >= 18 FGAs... too good to be true... boy dat as whipping :lol

I was laughing at the "correlation equals causation" you imply. :lmao

Those loses aren't on Kawhi faggot. Watch basketball next time. :lmao

[Wildcat67]

This is a false correlation OP.

Of course in the close difficult games (losses) our star player is going to play more and take more shots.

A higher amount of FGA is the result of a close loss, not a loss as a result of high FGA.

[dabom]

This is a false correlation OP.

Of course in the close difficult games (losses) our star player is going to play more and take more shots.

A higher amount of FGA is the result of a close loss, not a loss as a result of high FGA.

OP just getting owned per par. :lol

[Brazil]

This is a false correlation OP.

Of course in the close difficult games (losses) our star player is going to play more and take more shots.

A higher amount of FGA is the result of a close loss, not a loss as a result of high FGA.

tell that to the krew, they created about parker dominating offense before this one when btw Parker had 80% win :lol

[Brazil]

I was laughing at the "correlation equals causation" you imply. :lmao

Those loses aren't on Kawhi faggot. Watch basketball next time. :lmao

go laugh on Apo's thread faggot...

:lol double standard
:lol 50%
:lol bump backfiring
:lol ass whipping

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao Nothing to see here, dabom getting p'wned in another thread.

[Wildcat67]

tell that to the krew, they created about parker dominating offense before this one when btw Parker had 80% win :lol

The #1 problem with this forum is the endless need to put down one player to prop up the other. They are both playing great right now. How about both sides take a break for awhile, at least until something changes.

[dabom]

go laugh on Apo's thread faggot...

:lol double standard
:lol 50%
:lol bump backfiring
:lol ass whipping

Losing your ethos. :lol
Getting shit on by quality posters. :lol
Never denied the correlation. But is is fucking stupid if you think causation. :lmao
Faggot. :lol

[loveforthegame]

It is an interesting topic. I'm curious about a few things though.

How'd Leonard shoot in those games?
How'd his teammates shoot?

Like was Leonard chucking his way out of a slump? Was his teammates shooting poorly and Leonard was the only guy hitting? Was the defense focused on others and Leonard was the open guy?

I could be wrong, and I am plenty, but seems other factors probably went into those losses as well?

[dabom]

Atleast this thread is up to call you a dumbass OP. :lmao

[Brazil]

Atleast this thread is up to call you a dumbass OP. :lmao

:lol this thread is up there to show you are a fucking idiot tbh... bumping a thead without checking before... amateur move tbh

[dabom]

:lol this thread is up there to show you are a fucking idiot tbh... bumping a thead without checking before... amateur move tbh

Never denied the correlation. But is is fucking stupid if you think causation. :lmao

:lmao