Manu >>>>>>>>> Kobe

[ElNono]

Never thought I'll see the day, tbh...

[spursistan]

the longevity of Manu is astounding really considering his style ...I think him and Timmy, Nash an Kidd late careers shows once more that cerebral, high IQ guys have long shelf life if the body doesn't suffer crippling injuries..Even if Kobe didn't suffer the Achilles injury, he was already falling off pretty hardly and was lacking the character and intangibles to face off withfather time..

[K...]

Pretty sure this applied since 2006, but it was more like Manu>>> Kobe. So I guess the news is it's worse now.

[baseline bum]

You always knew Kobe was going to have a Ewing like end to his career.

[Killakobe81]

Pretty sure this applied since 2006, but it was more like Manu>>> Kobe. So I guess the news is it's worse now.

Come on now Manu was not better until "achilles" ...but it's not even close at the moment. but last 3 years Manu was the clear winner.

[Clipper Nation]

Manu's always been better than that faggot, tbh. That's a low bar to clear, though. Even Manu in 6 was better than Kirby.

[Mnky]

Manu shaq combo vs a Duncan Kobe combo... Man. I honestly think Manu Shaq would have came out on top. Pop and the spurs brought on Manu so dang late, and kept his usage nowhere near maximized. The Lakers would have brought him in way earlier and highlighted him. He might have more rings with them tbh, as he wouldn't have scared all their good players away. Meanwhile Kobe in San Antonio probably means Duncan goes to Orlando tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^ Pretty crazy how both Kobe and Shaq ended their careers so poorly..2 of the top 8 players of all-time IMO, looking like absolute scrubs, refusing to let go..

[DAF86]

:cry But I thought Manu was an injury prone china-doll. 20 years as a pro (plus summerball) and counting :lol

[AlexJones]

Pretty sure it's been the case since 2010-2011

[Bynumite]

And it only took Vaginobili 20 years and an achilles injury to reach that point :lol

[ElNono]

:lol damn I thought Kobestan would put some resistance to this thread, but shit is just sad at this point...

[Mr Bones]

Kobe's on the verge of a season that will likely be historically bad. After three games, he's shooting 31.4% from the field and 20.7% from three... Manu, by contrast is at 50%/45.5%... Aging gracefully ain't in the cards for Kobe...

[Killakobe81]

:lol damn I thought Kobestan would put some resistance to this thread, but shit is just sad at this point...

Why would anyone argue with that? Kobe's been broken down the past two years and he hasnt looked good when healthy. Kobe's career ended with the Achilles, essentially.

[Bynumite]

:lol damn I thought Kobestan would put some resistance to this thread, but shit is just sad at this point...

So being better than a 20 year veteran, coming off a 2 season hiatus because of an achilles and shoulder injury is supposed to be some kind of accomplishment?

[DMC]

Kobe's on the verge of a season that will likely be historically bad. After three games, he's shooting 31.4% from the field and 20.7% from three... Manu, by contrast is at 50%/45.5%... Aging gracefully ain't in the cards for Kobe...
Bryant is watching the clock, getting ready to clock out for the season.

[ElNono]

So being better than a 20 year veteran, coming off a 2 season hiatus because of an achilles and shoulder injury is supposed to be some kind of accomplishment?

:lol what are you arguing? they have basically the same age, both been professionals their entire life... one adjusted to his physical realities, the other still living in limbo...

Of course it's an accomplishment not to be stealing your salary, living off fan nostalgia, choking your team finances, etc...

[LittleCriminal]

Prime Manu was far better to watch than prime kobe IMO..

If manu rings this yr id say jordan>Manu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kirby
But right now its Manu>Kirby

[Bynumite]

:lol what are you arguing? they have basically the same age, both been professionals their entire life... one adjusted to his physical realities, the other still living in limbo...

Of course it's an accomplishment not to be stealing your salary, living off fan nostalgia, choking your team finances, etc...

Even if Kobe had accepted a lesser role or less money, that still doesn't change anything i said. Being better than Kobe at this stage of his career is nothing to brag about but for some reason you think it's thread worthy.

Go ahead and start hundreds of threads for all the NBA players who are better than Kobe right now. Might take you a while.

[whitemamba]

u fags are suckin manures dick now, wait till he slows down in 2 months and hell be thrown under the bus quicker than CN can toss his whole tea, under.

[baseline bum]

Manu shaq combo vs a Duncan Kobe combo... Man. I honestly think Manu Shaq would have came out on top. Pop and the spurs brought on Manu so dang late, and kept his usage nowhere near maximized. The Lakers would have brought him in way earlier and highlighted him. He might have more rings with them tbh, as he wouldn't have scared all their good players away. Meanwhile Kobe in San Antonio probably means Duncan goes to Orlando tbh.

Manu was pretty much a shot in the dark pick and he wouldn't have come to the NBA any earlier than 2001-02, considering 2001 is when he really started to break out in Europe. I was pissed the team couldn't find a way to bring him in after the sweep though, he was desperately needed in 01-02.

[baseline bum]

:lol what are you arguing? they have basically the same age, both been professionals their entire life... one adjusted to his physical realities, the other still living in limbo...

Of course it's an accomplishment not to be stealing your salary, living off fan nostalgia, choking your team finances, etc...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/4a3449fde977743fb05a5f5251b1ff98/tumblr_mysvlkZAQ21rgx7ico1_400.gif

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol damn I thought Kobestan would put some resistance to this thread, but shit is just sad at this point...

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9rzeuI8gl1qhl431o1_500.gif

[Splits]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9rzeuI8gl1qhl431o1_500.gif

5612269500

[Seventyniner]

5612269500

Someone retweet this to Lou. I'd like to see Kobe go off on Lou in practice and come out with yet another 5-19 performance.

[Splits]

Someone retweet this to Lou. I'd like to see Kobe go off on Lou in practice and come out with yet another 5-19 performance.

Surprised he hasn't deleted it tbh, like Nance and the Kobe rape tweet

[Raven]

well duh

[Molotov]

:lol damn I thought Kobestan would put some resistance to this thread, but shit is just sad at this point...




:lol

[DAF86]

Even if Kobe had accepted a lesser role or less money, that still doesn't change anything i said. Being better than Kobe at this stage of his career is nothing to brag about but for some reason you think it's thread worthy.

Go ahead and start hundreds of threads for all the NBA players who are better than Kobe right now. Might take you a while.

Why not? Manu is 1 year and 1 month older than Kobe, has played more games as a pro and was supossed to be more injury prone and less talented than Kobe. Him being able to outlast Bryant is something to brag about, imho.

[Kawhitstorm]

And it only took Vaginobili 20 years and an achilles injury to reach that point :lol

It only took you 20yrs to realize Kobe was an inefficient chucker who made a career out of taking & making bad shots. Kobe had the audacity to call Arenas a "bad shot maker" after he burnt him for 60. The difference b/w Arenas & Kobe is that one was only 6'3" with average athleticism.

[SpursIndonesia]

:lol what are you arguing? they have basically the same age, both been professionals their entire life... one adjusted to his physical realities, the other still living in limbo...

Of course it's an accomplishment not to be stealing your salary, living off fan nostalgia, choking your team finances, etc...

ElNono butchering nigga, taking out head without mercy, all hail the ST legend, tbh. :tu

[100%duncan]

Kobestan mad :lol

[Thread]

It only took you 20yrs to realize Kobe was an inefficient chucker who made a career out of taking & making bad shots. Kobe had the audacity to call Arenas a "bad shot maker" after he burnt him for 60. The difference b/w Arenas & Kobe is that one was only 6'3" with average athleticism.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[Kawhitstorm]

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

If you want to go that route then Tim got a chip, All-NBA honors & won MVPs BEFORE Kobe.......it's 2015 he still making All-NBA teams while Vino is playing 2nd fiddle to Louis Williams:lmao
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/360139097042-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

[Thread]

If you want to go that route then Tim got a chip, All-NBA honors & won MVPs BEFORE Kobe.......it's 2015 he still making All-NBA teams while Vino is playing 2nd fiddle to Louis Williams:lmao
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/360139097042-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

I don't do all that shit. I leave that to you children.

It remains:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't do all that shit. I leave that to you children.

It remains:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

So basically Kobestan has waived the white flag after being carpet bombed for 3 seasons.:lmao

[140]

If you want to go that route then Tim got a chip, All-NBA honors & won MVPs BEFORE Kobe.......it's 2015 he still making All-NBA teams while Vino is playing 2nd fiddle to Louis Williams:lmao
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/360139097042-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

:lmao:rollin:lmao

[Thread]

So basically Kobestan has waived the white flag after being carpet bombed for 3 seasons.:lmao

Nonetheless:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

[Clipper Nation]

I don't do all that shit. I leave that to you children.

It remains:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th
You've nary room. MVPau dragged Bryant to his 3rd 4th.

[td4mvp2k]

Prime Manu was far better to watch than prime kobe IMO..

If manu rings this yr id say jordan>Manu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kirby
But right now its Manu>Kirbycould argue 05 manu was better then MJ at any pt tbh but :tu

[Thread]

You've nary room. MVPau dragged Bryant to his 3rd 4th.

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.

[Kidd K]

Come on now Manu was not better until "achilles" ...but it's not even close at the moment. but last 3 years Manu was the clear winner.

Tbh I thought Manu was the better player in 2011, but only that specific year prior to Kobe's injury. The injury of course, defaulted Manu as the better player solely because he was playing while Kobe wasn't. I don't think Manu has been spectacular or anything for awhile.

[Clipper Nation]

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.
Bryant was shinin' shoes without Daddy or MVPau to hold his hand.

[Thread]

Bryant was shinin' shoes without Daddy or MVPau to hold his hand.

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[Brazil]

Absolutely.... and it's not even close tbh

[TXstbobcat]

Nonetheless:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

The worlds oldest living parrot

[Splits]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

http://i.imgur.com/Tkw1one.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ukJvtPb.png


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTgObyJCQAA_Cdz.jpg

[gambit1990]

manu > dirk > kobe

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1
3rd 4th

[Thread]

http://i.imgur.com/Tkw1one.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ukJvtPb.png


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTgObyJCQAA_Cdz.jpg

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[Thread]

3rd 4th

lmemulatedao!!!

[Kawhitstorm]

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.

Mr. Top 10 all-time Kobe could win a series w/o PRIME Pau/Shaq. Oh 2004-05 also happened...

[Thread]

The worlds oldest living parrot

They were selling your shit.

I am not letting that rest. No fuckin' way.

[Kawhitstorm]

Nonetheless:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 2nd 5th

Horry: 7

Jordan: 6

7>6

[Thread]

Mr. Top 10 all-time Kobe could win a series w/o PRIME Pau/Shaq. Oh 2004-05 also happened...

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.

[Splits]

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.

And Kobe can't even get to the playoffs since Pau dropped his hand.

[Kawhitstorm]

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe held his hand.

But Mr. All-Time top 10 Kobe is supposed to be eons better than measly role player Pau so he should AT LEAST win a series. Kobe claim to fame is winning a couple of games against the 2006 Suns who were WITHOUT Amare & getting bounced in the 1st rd. Peak prime Kobe was only able to get a single game from those same Suns when they had Amare in 2007. Elton Brand pushed the 2006 Suns to 7 games so I guess prime Kobe was the equivalent of prime Brand in the postseason.

PRIME Kobe vs. contemporary Top 10 All-Time perimeter players: (He isn't in their league.....he's a 2nd tier All-Timer along w/ Manu who just has better RAW #s)



https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bwtxfczcmae-dec-large.png


http://thecourtsidecollective.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-12-30-at-5.25.17-PM.png

[Kawhitstorm]

Come on now Manu was not better until "achilles" ...but it's not even close at the moment. but last 3 years Manu was the clear winner.

RIiiiiiiiiigth, Manu in the 2005 Finals destroyed the same Pistons squad that made Kobe look like Rudy Gay in the 2004 Finals:lol. They were both at the peak of their primes, #noexcuses:nope

http://www.nba.com/media/hoop/NBAF14-Finals2004-4.jpg

[Killakobe81]

PRIME Kobe vs. contemporary Top 10 All-Time perimeter players: (He isn't in their league.....he's a 2nd tier All-Timer along w/ Manu who just has better RAW #s)



https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bwtxfczcmae-dec-large.png


http://thecourtsidecollective.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screen-Shot-2013-12-30-at-5.25.17-PM.png

Wow. I am now convinced!!!!
Look, I dont do Kobe debates anymore (blame my best bud Amb)... but this wouldn't convince me even if I did.

[Kawhitstorm]

And Kobe can't even get to the playoffs since Pau dropped his hand.

They musta forgot MVPau carrying the team in crunch time:lol:

https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/photo.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

Wow. I am now convinced!!!!
Look, I dont do Kobe debates anymore (blame my best bud Amb)... but this wouldn't convince me even if I did.

Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage
Fell from "top 10" to "not mentioned at all.....:lmao

[Sean Cagney]

They musta forgot MVPau carrying the team in crunch time:lol:

https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/photo.jpg

Kobe has not been clutch in years, his 4th Q % is horrible and has been for a while. It is a common fan among casual fans that he is clutch, he used to be but not in a looooong time.

[Killakobe81]

Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage
Fell from "top 10" to "not mentioned at all.....:lmao

Not a bad call out line using the takeover. Clever (no bullshit). Apparently your hip-hop takes are better than your hoops acumen, stick with that.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kobe has not been clutch in years, his 4th Q % is horrible and has been for a while. It is a common fan among casual fans that he is clutch, he used to be but not in a looooong time.

He WASN'T "clutch" during the PEAK of prime either (see: 2002-09), he just took a bunch of shots thus hit a couple of game winners:

http://assets.espn.go.com/sportscenter/images/FS_9AM_NBA_031010_Kobe_Last_24_Seconds.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

Not a bad call out line using the takeover. Clever (no bullshit). Apparently your hip-hop takes are better than your hoops acumen, stick with that.

You keep missing w/ your amateur snarky comments like Kobe from 24 ft & that's so lammmmmmmmeeeee.

[Spurtacular]

^^ Pretty crazy how both Kobe and Shaq ended their careers so poorly..2 of the top 8 players of all-time IMO, looking like absolute scrubs, refusing to let go..

Except neither of them are top eight players. Shaq could've been if he had committed.

[Kawhitstorm]

Except neither of them are top eight players. Shaq could've been if he had committed.

Shaq is better than Bird, fuck your regular season MVPs.

[Thread]

And Kobe can't even get to the playoffs since Pau dropped his hand.

Kobe: 5

Pau: 2

[Spurtacular]

Wow. I am now convinced!!!!
Look, I dont do Kobe debates anymore (blame my best bud Amb)... but this wouldn't convince me even if I did.

Cos you're a homer. The numbers speak for themselves.

[Kawhitstorm]

Kobe: 5

Pau: 2

So Kobestans are now trying to use 2nd tier HOFers to prop up Kobe? How the mighty have fallen:depressed

[Thread]

So Kobestans are now trying to use 2nd tier HOFers to prop up Kobe? How the mighty have fallen:depressed

Just checkin' assholes, stormy. You came immediately to mind.

[Kawhitstorm]

Just checkin' assholes, stormy. You came immediately to mind.

Did I get under your skin boo-boo? The truth hurts, CRY!:baby

[Killakobe81]

You keep missing w/ your amateur snarky comments like Kobe from 24 ft & that's so lammmmmmmmeeeee.

You followed one of the best lines from Jay with one of the weaker ones. What grown man was still using "lame" even back in the early part of the last decade?

BTW, your shit is like the Takeover. Mine is ether
... I'll prove you lost already.
... y'all deal with emotions like bitches

and last but not least ....


You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan

[Killakobe81]

Cos you're a homer. The numbers speak for themselves.

I am a Kobe apologist never denied that ... but I just dont argue For Kobe anymore. Duncan has passed him so what is the point ? So know what Im going to argue for him over Manu or Pau? That doesnt really make any sense anymore either. only haters and dumbasses on here make that argument. And I wont convince any of them ... And tbh my team sucks so bad defending Kobe's legacy on here is the LEAST of my concerns ...

[Kawhitstorm]

You followed one of the best lines from Jay with one of the weaker ones. What grown man was still using "lame" even back in the early part of the last decade?

BTW, your shit is like the Takeover. Mine is ether
... I'll prove you lost already.
... y'all deal with emotions like bitches

and last but not least ....


You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan

First of all, "Ether" is as witty as an angry letter penned by a 14 yr old girl. Second, Nas lost & signed up for Jay to be his boss. In any case, Kobe is the one that's throwing fits during practice b/c he's an insecure bitch. "fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan" is a perfect description of KobeStans who are more bitchmade than the BeyHive/Beliebers. Grown men in love w/ a millionaire who doesn't even give a fuck about his parents but are willing to defend his honor: Meet me in Temecula :lmao

I just love getting a rise out dick-riders who can't handle the truth. Mothafuckas up in here posting w/ their emotions:lol

[Spurtacular]

I am a Kobe apologist never denied that ... but I just dont argue For Kobe anymore. Duncan has passed him so what is the point ? So know what Im going to argue for him over Manu or Pau? That doesnt really make any sense anymore either. only haters and dumbasses on here make that argument. And I wont convince any of them ... And tbh my team sucks so bad defending Kobe's legacy on here is the LEAST of my concerns ...

That's fair enough if that's how you see it. I don't think the Manu or Pau arguments are without merit though. Yes, Kobe has "better" individual numbers; but his leadership and his quality as a teammate are very much in question. I'll say that from 07-09, Kobe was a top three player. And Kobe played the Scottie Pippen role with Shaq about as well as anyone. But you can see why people make their arguments so strongly when the converse is his fans making arguments for Kobe being GOAT.

[Spurtacular]

Shaq is better than Bird, fuck your regular season MVPs.

Only idiots count by MVPs, which are media driven awards anyways. I don't know how many MVPs Shaq has; but he is no Bird. Shaq was a beast like never seen before or since; but he was no Bird. That's not even a comparison for me, tbh.

[Kawhitstorm]

Only idiots count by MVPs, which are media driven awards anyways. I don't know how many MVPs Shaq has; but he is no Bird. Shaq was a beast like never seen before or since; but he was no Bird. That's not even a comparison for me, tbh.

The reason being.................

[Killakobe81]

First of all, "Ether" is as witty as an angry letter penned by a 14 yr old girl. Second, Nas lost & signed up for Jay to be his boss. In any case, Kobe is the one that's throwing fits during practice b/c he's an insecure bitch. "fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan" is a perfect description of KobeStans who are more bitchmade than the BeyHive/Beliebers. Grown men in love w/ a millionaire who doesn't even give a fuck about his parents but are willing to defend his honor: Meet me in Temecula :lmao

I just love getting a rise out dick-riders who can't handle the truth. Mothafuckas up in here posting w/ their emotions:lol

The takeover was good so was ether ...super ugly was wack plus H, O, V, A i got my mojo back ...baby oh behave. Sorry that shit was corny.
Say what you want about Ether ...but he used Stan as a diss better than anyone and the eminem murdered you on your own shit has been often imitated.
Career wise Jay won no doubt and he has the better overall catalogue. But peak 2 peak illmatic smashes the best of Jay though for me its not close. But Jay has 3 or 4 clasdics Nas only truly has one ...but its a top 5 goat album.

[Killakobe81]

Only idiots count by MVPs, which are media driven awards anyways. I don't know how many MVPs Shaq has; but he is no Bird. Shaq was a beast like never seen before or since; but he was no Bird. That's not even a comparison for me, tbh.

Lol MVPs ..preach. mvp has nothing to do with why Duncan surpassed Kobe.

[Clipper Nation]

lmemulatedao!!!
3rd 4th

[AlexJones]

How is Dale still alive in the year 2015?

[Kawhitstorm]

The takeover was good so was ether ...super ugly was wack plus H, O, V, A i got my mojo back ...baby oh behave. Sorry that shit was corny.
Say what you want about Ether ...but he used Stan as a diss better than anyone and the eminem murdered you on your own shit has been often imitated.
Career wise Jay won no doubt and he has the better overall catalogue. But peak 2 peak illmatic smashes the best of Jay though for me its not close. But Jay has 3 or 4 clasdics Nas only truly has one ...but its a top 5 goat album.

I'm not a Jay stan & I do agree that Illmatic is classic so I have no dogs in the fight. The beef was fun while it lasted but Ether is the most over hyped diss track ever. The 2nd & 3rd verse from Takeover ended two different careers : Nas/Mobb Deep b/c Jay spewed their dirty laundry to the masses ala No Vaseline.

Nas simply stated the obvious in Ether talking about bitch made stuff such as another man's "fat lips" or using corny vocab such as "Gay-Z and Cockafella". The lyrics are straight out of an online troll's lexicon

[Clipper Nation]

Low-key, Supa Ugly was better than Ether. It was so savage that Jay-Z's mother shamed him into apologizing to Nas.

[Spurtacular]

Lol MVPs ..preach. mvp has nothing to do with why Duncan surpassed Kobe.

Neither of them are that high on MVPs, tbh. Kobe is at zero MVPs anyhow as far as I'm concerned. They gave him his lifetime achievement award in 08; but KG was easily the MVP.

[DJR210]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Kobesucks_zps6zodjlj7.png

[Killakobe81]

I'm not a Jay stan & I do agree that Illmatic is classic so I have no dogs in the fight. The beef was fun while it lasted but Ether is the most over hyped diss track ever. The 2nd & 3rd verse from Takeover ended two different careers : Nas/Mobb Deep b/c Jay spewed their dirty laundry to the masses ala No Vaseline.

Nas simply stated the obvious in Ether talking about bitch made stuff such as another man's "fat lips" or using corny vocab such as "Gay-Z and Cockafella". The lyrics are straight out of an online troll's lexicon

True, but that is also why Ether is a classic. trolls still bitin' his shit all these years later.
Takeover was the best of that lot because it was bot subliminal but it also had some subtleness to it. Super Ugly was Jay going ether style which doesn't fit him ...cant deny Jay won his beefs commercially in the streets some argue Nas won.

[Sean Cagney]

He WASN'T "clutch" during the PEAK of prime either (see: 2002-09), he just took a bunch of shots thus hit a couple of game winners:

http://assets.espn.go.com/sportscenter/images/FS_9AM_NBA_031010_Kobe_Last_24_Seconds.jpg

Him being clutch comes from those highlight games where he played against Portland and hit some wild shots to bring it to OT and win the game, that and a few other games like the Heat game he won with a wild long shot. Those highlights there stuck in minds because the shots were so incredible that it made people believe the misconception he is clutch. He has hit some great shots at the end of games but it's not a high % and rare. I had to laugh on ESPN message boards one time because someone said Kobe is clutch in there, I said no really he is not at all. HOF player and top whatever of all times but you can't look at his % in the 4th Q of games or the playoffs and say he is actually clutch because he is not.

No Kobe fan can argue that fact, show them the stats and it's just silence and they know it. When they compare him to Mike etc., I just bring up finals stats and that one, it usually wins the argument.

Tim on the other hand ironically for a big man has hit a good amount of game winning shots or game tying shots late in the game, rare for a big man but dude is very clutch and I would actually like to see his stats in the last minute or so in that situation because I can remember quite a few of them. I remember he beat LA in 99 with some hook shot in the playoffs, remember him burying a shot against Dallas in 01 from the top of the key and the Phoenix game as well where he hit the three. He also beat Utah on a last second shot and Cleveland one year on one as well, he has hit quite a few.

[Kawhitstorm]

Him being clutch comes from those highlight games where he played against Portland and hit some wild shots to bring it to OT and win the game, that and a few other games like the Heat game he won with a wild long shot. Those highlights there stuck in minds because the shots were so incredible that it made people believe the misconception he is clutch. He has hit some great shots at the end of games but it's not a high % and rare. I had to laugh on ESPN message boards one time because someone said Kobe is clutch in there, I said no really he is not at all. HOF player and top whatever of all times but you can't look at his % in the 4th Q of games or the playoffs and say he is actually clutch because he is not.

No Kobe fan can argue that fact, show them the stats and it's just silence and they know it. When they compare him to Mike etc., I just bring up finals stats and that one, it usually wins the argument.

Tim on the other hand ironically for a big man has hit a good amount of game winning shots or game tying shots late in the game, rare for a big man but dude is very clutch and I would actually like to see his stats in the last minute or so in that situation because I can remember quite a few of them. I remember he beat LA in 99 with some hook shot in the playoffs, remember him burying a shot against Dallas in 01 from the top of the key and the Phoenix game as well where he hit the three. He also beat Utah on a last second shot and Cleveland one year on one as well, he has hit quite a few.

Billups was the most clutch player during Kobe's prime.

[Thread]

Billups was the most clutch player during Kobe's prime.

Kobe: 5

Billups: 1

[Kawhitstorm]

Kobe: 5

Billups: 1

Head-to-head:
Billups: 1, Kobe: 0:
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[Thread]

Head-to-head:
Billups: 1, Kobe: 0:
http://www.sparkytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/2004-Kobe-Bryant-Lakers-Pistons-Banners-Championship.jpg


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Kobe: 5

Billups: 1

[Kawhitstorm]

Kobe: 5

Billups: 1

Kobe: 38%
Billups: 50%

[Thread]

Kobe: 38%
Billups: 50%

Kobe: 5

Billups: 1

[DMC]

Bryant is watching the clock, getting ready to clock out for the season.



Baxter HolmesESPN Staff Writer

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After sitting out two games with a sore back, Kobe Bryant will play tonight against the Mavericks in Dallas.

[ElNono]

:worthy:

[Silver&Black]

^
Mi negro

[Chris]

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[Raven]

well duh