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bpl
09-17-2005, 02:38 PM
eddy curry told the bulls that they should trade him now or lose him for nothing in return next year.if that so would you trade rasho for him

Kori Ellis
09-17-2005, 02:42 PM
The Bulls have already tried to sign and trade him with just about everyone.

Since NBA's insurance doesn't cover him, not many teams are willing to take the risk.

His reputation for being lazy doesn't help either.

exstatic
09-17-2005, 03:10 PM
His reputation for being lazy doesn't help either.

That, combined with his heart malady, is a one-two punch that will likely KO his career. He'll likely play for the Q.O. this year, but I'd be surprised if anyone offered him any contract next summer. He can't rebound or play defense, and his heart condition makes him uninsurable. I'd say that was too bad, but he doesn't seem to give a shit about playing, so why should I?

JamStone
09-17-2005, 03:28 PM
That, combined with his heart malady, is a one-two punch that will likely KO his career. He'll likely play for the Q.O. this year, but I'd be surprised if anyone offered him any contract next summer. He can't rebound or play defense, and his heart condition makes him uninsurable. I'd say that was too bad, but he doesn't seem to give a shit about playing, so why should I?


I wouldn't go that far. Even with his heart condition, some team will offer him a multi-year contract. It won't likely be a max contract. But, a 6-foot-11, 285 lb center with agility, athleticism, and a post game are very rare. I wouldn't be surprised if multiple teams offered Curry a 4-5 year contract for 6-8 million a year. The risks would be worth it to have a legit starting center.

There are guys like Joel Przybilla, Jason Collier, Lorenzen Wright, Chris Mihm, Kelvin Cato, and Vitaly Potapenko who will be starting centers in the NBA this year. And, you don't think Eddy Curry will get a contract??

Unless his heart condition worsens and doctors say he shouldn't play, I think Eddy Curry will still get a relatively lucrative contract next year.

exstatic
09-17-2005, 03:49 PM
Don't get caught up in the physical package. The NBA highway right-of-way is littered with physical specimens as good as, or better than Curry. What he lacks is between his ears. He thinks that he's an NBA star and a MAX player. What he is is a barely passable NBA journeyman who's done almost nothing in four years, and refuses to get dirty by doing things like rebounding and defending. In a career average of 23 minutes, he pulls down less than 5 boards per game. That is nothing short of pathetic.

Kori Ellis
09-17-2005, 03:57 PM
Unless his heart condition worsens and doctors say he shouldn't play, I think Eddy Curry will still get a relatively lucrative contract next year.

Well I think it depends if they can find an outside insurance carrier to cover him. I don't think any team is going to invest five years in him without it.

JamStone
09-17-2005, 04:10 PM
I would bet that the Atlanta Hawks, Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks, and Dallas Mavericks would all take the risk and give Eddy Curry a 4-5 year contract. It would be worth the risk for a floundering franchise like Atlanta, and the other three have ownership and management that will spend money on risky if not bad contracts.

And, there are quite a few more teams that would likely give a 4-5 year contract to Eddy Curry if his price was in the MLE range.

JamStone
09-17-2005, 04:13 PM
Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Michael Dickerson all got long term, lucrative contracts despite having injury issues. Sure, an irregular heart-beat might be much more serious, but the rewards are very good if the heart condition works out.

velik_m
09-17-2005, 04:18 PM
eddy curry told the bulls that they should trade him now or lose him for nothing in return next year.if that so would you trade rasho for him

I see we're back at "Rasho trade idea" threads.
:lol

remingtonbo2001
09-17-2005, 04:23 PM
Rasho for Curry? Why not. Stick his ass on the bench. Hell, he doesn't even need to be there. I would leave him on the IR. Let him go do whatever the hell he wants next year. If we need him due to injury, fine. I think it would be a great trade. It would allow us to sign Nazi.

exstatic
09-17-2005, 04:24 PM
Tariq and Dickerson had NO injury issues when they signed their deals, and frankly Shareef's not injured, just has some scar tissue. Rod Thorn just had an attact of vaginitis.

Sure, an irregular heart-beat might be much more serious, but the rewards are very good if the heart condition works out.

What rewards? A five rebound per game stiff?

In five years, one of two scenarios will happen: Eddie Curry will be known as the worst contract in the league, or Edddie Curry will be out of the league.

JamStone
09-17-2005, 04:51 PM
Actually, I read an article that stated the "then" Vancouver Grizzlies KNEW that Michael Dickerson had some serious groin problems when they offered him his contract, and the condition worsened. Tariq had a history of of knee problems, dating back when he was at the University of Michigan.


As for "rewards," yes, Eddy Curry is a poor rebounding center, but he's one of the better offensive post centers in the league. And, when your "BACK-UP" power forward averages nearly 10 rebounds a game (Tyson Chandler) and your starting power forward (Tony Davis) is still a decent rebounder, it's not as big of an issue that Curry doesn't rebound better. Sure, he should do better, but that doesn't take away the fact that he presents a great deal of problems for most defenses in the league in the post.

Would you rather have Erick Dampier, Mehmet Okur, Theo Ratliff, Adonal Foyle, Mark Blount, Jerome James, Michael Olowokandi? Maybe you would. But, look at their contracts, and tell me if they are worth it. And, then tell me some team or a number of teams won't offer Eddy Curry a multi-year deal worth AT THE VERY LEAST the MLE.

Sense
09-17-2005, 08:24 PM
eddy curry told the bulls that they should trade him now or lose him for nothing in return next year.if that so would you trade rasho for him

Sadly, in a heartbeat.

Marcus Bryant
09-17-2005, 08:42 PM
If Chicago would take back Radoslav's contract I would not be surprised to see Curry become a Spur.

ploto
09-17-2005, 09:06 PM
Hasn't this discussion already made the rounds now for the third time this summer. Please 2 weeks can't be over soon enough.

The Spurs are DONE wheeling and dealing for the summer. The only thing they might do is sign a cheap 3.

JamStone
09-18-2005, 12:01 PM
I would bet that the Atlanta Hawks, Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks, and Dallas Mavericks would all take the risk and give Eddy Curry a 4-5 year contract. It would be worth the risk for a floundering franchise like Atlanta, and the other three have ownership and management that will spend money on risky if not bad contracts.

And, there are quite a few more teams that would likely give a 4-5 year contract to Eddy Curry if his price was in the MLE range.



"Eddy Curry's agent said Saturday he has found a team that is a willing buyer in a sign-and-trade for the Bulls' center. The agent, Leon Rose, declined to name the team, but sources familiar with the negotiations said it was the Knicks."

"Knicks president Isiah Thomas is not giving up on Eddy Curry, even though the Chicago Bulls appear reluctant to trade the restricted free agent center to the Knicks."

"There are multiple teams that have shown interest, and there is a team that is willing to do a deal, in terms of a sign-and-trade, that Eddy would accept," Rose, who declined to specify the team, said Saturday night.

http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

exstatic
09-18-2005, 12:34 PM
:lol Isaiah would be the only one stupid enough to do this. Doesn't he already have one fat, unmotivated center to deal with?

ChumpDumper
09-18-2005, 12:52 PM
Zeke can wait a year to blow another full MLE deal on him.

IcemanCometh
09-18-2005, 12:52 PM
I wanted Chandler not Curry

exstatic
09-18-2005, 01:05 PM
Chandler is a MUCH better player, but he has health issues too. At least you don't have to worry about motivation with him.

Supergirl
09-19-2005, 09:21 AM
APparently people don't get it - Lots of players have serious injuries, some even so bad that they can't pass the physical - BUT, no one else has an injury so undeniably "pre-existing" that insurance companies won't cover them. Which means, from a financial standpoint, Eddy Curry really is a MUCH BIGGER LIABILITY THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER. I believe even Alonzo Mourning could get insured.

He's not getting much from anyone. If the Bulls let him go, he'll be lucky to get the minimum from a shitty team. Someone with nothing left else to lose.

Dex
09-19-2005, 09:39 AM
Manu rebounded better as a gaurd in the playoffs, against the best and when it matters, than this guy did as a center during the regular season, when half his games came against scrubs.

I'd rather hold on to Rasho.

JamStone
09-19-2005, 10:46 AM
APparently people don't get it - Lots of players have serious injuries, some even so bad that they can't pass the physical - BUT, no one else has an injury so undeniably "pre-existing" that insurance companies won't cover them. Which means, from a financial standpoint, Eddy Curry really is a MUCH BIGGER LIABILITY THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER. I believe even Alonzo Mourning could get insured.

He's not getting much from anyone. If the Bulls let him go, he'll be lucky to get the minimum from a shitty team. Someone with nothing left else to lose.


Apparently, some of you don't get it either.

Not every NBA franchise has been as fortunate to have had the success that the San Antonio Spurs or Los Angeles Lakers have had in recent years. And, while Eddy Curry has plenty of faults, like lack of rebounding, and a serious heart condition, which is not yet insured, there are plenty of NBA teams willing to take the risk that goes along with him. Professional sports is a results oriented business. Bottom line is winning in order to sell tickets and merchandise to make money. If a team and organization believes that Eddy Curry can help them be better, sell tickets and merchandise, and appease their fans, then weighing his pros and cons, that team will make run at him. It's an endgame.

DESPERATE MEN MAKE DESPERATE DECISIONS.

Why does Cleveland give Larry Hughes a max deal and waaaay overpay Zydrunas Ilgauskas when there wasn't even any real competition for Z? Why Did Dallas give Erick Dampier that ridiculous contract a year ago? Why in the world did Chris Mullin give Jason Richardson and Troy Murphy near max dollars? Why did Philly trade for Chris Webber's contract when they knew he had a bum wheel and likely won't deliver the way he had in past years?

They are all good players, but none are even close to being worth their contract. But, it's an endgame. Sometimes, you have to take risks in order to accomplish lofty goals. Not all NBA GMs are as shrewd or keen as a RC Buford or Joe Dumars. Some NBA franchises like the Atlanta Hawks have no choice but to overspend and take risks because they cannot attract top tier free agents. Some franchises are cursed with horrible GMs like Toronto's Babcock. Other franchises are so desperate for a winner that they will take some of the most absurd risks, like Zeke in New York.

But, that's why I mentioned the likes of the New York Knicks, Atlanta Hawks, Dallas Mavericks, and Los Angeles Lakers. Those teams have ownership and management willing to spend money and take risks in order to get closer to a championship. Heck, aside from Dallas, even if they get passed the first round, their fans will be ecstatic, and it will generate more buzz, if not more revenue.

Of course whether Eddy Curry's contract can be insured or not will determine the number of suitors and the amount of money he'll get. But, even if he is not insured, there will be several teams still willing to take the longterm risk on him, just not at as high a price.

And, to suggest that a 7-foot, 300 pound athletic and offensively gifted center would ONLY get the MINIMUM if Chicago lets him go because of his heart condition is naive at best. Look at the number of outrageous contracts of non-producing players throughout the league, and you're telling me Eddy Curry wouldn't be able to get the MLE for multiple years? Make it a v-bookie, and let's use real money. If his heart condition worsens or is labeled fatal, then that's a different story. But, if he is cleared to play, with or without insurance, a team will offer him MORE THAN THE MINIMUM.

Kori Ellis
09-19-2005, 10:48 AM
Despite the Bulls' reluctance to hook up a sign-and-trade for Eddy Curry, a few teams, most notably the Knicks, have reportedly thrown offers Chicago's way. Supposedly New York offered Michael Sweetney for Curry.

We're not surprised that Chicago didn't bite.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4886038

Guru of Nothing
09-19-2005, 11:14 AM
There are guys like Joel Przybilla, Jason Collier, Lorenzen Wright, Chris Mihm, Kelvin Cato, and Vitaly Potapenko who will be starting centers in the NBA this year. And, you don't think Eddy Curry will get a contract??


Now there is a center I'd like to see in a Spurs uniform; him or Chris Kaman.

I'd take either of these two straight up over Curry, in a heartbeat.

Supergirl
09-20-2005, 09:57 AM
DESPERATE MEN MAKE DESPERATE DECISIONS.

Why does Cleveland give Larry Hughes a max deal and waaaay overpay Zydrunas Ilgauskas when there wasn't even any real competition for Z?
Why Did Dallas give Erick Dampier that ridiculous contract a year ago? Why in the world did Chris Mullin give Jason Richardson and Troy Murphy near max dollars? Why did Philly trade for Chris Webber's contract when they knew he had a bum wheel and likely won't deliver the way he had in past years?


1. Z is one of the best centers in the league right now - which isn't saying much, since there aren't very many really good ones - but he's pretty good, and very good when you compare him to anyone else available. He was worth what they're paying him.

2. Webber's contract is similarly bloated for an equally damaged player - which is why the Kings dumped him. The 76ers were desperate for some offense to back AI up - and they aren't as picky about getting a durable, defensive PF that Webber was once hyped to be...

3. But other than Webber, those other players you mentioned are all relatively healthy. None of them have insurance companies refusing to cover them.

Curry is an exceptional case because there hasn't been anyone else in his position.

JamStone
09-20-2005, 10:19 AM
1. Z is one of the best centers in the league right now - which isn't saying much, since there aren't very many really good ones - but he's pretty good, and very good when you compare him to anyone else available. He was worth what they're paying him.

2. Webber's contract is similarly bloated for an equally damaged player - which is why the Kings dumped him. The 76ers were desperate for some offense to back AI up - and they aren't as picky about getting a durable, defensive PF that Webber was once hyped to be...

3. But other than Webber, those other players you mentioned are all relatively healthy. None of them have insurance companies refusing to cover them.

Curry is an exceptional case because there hasn't been anyone else in his position.


1. Zydrunas is definitely a top tier center in this league right now. But, no way in hell is he worth the contract he got from Cavs. First of all, a few months ago, he was quoted in the media as saying he wanted to play another 3 years and retire. So, what does Danny Ferry do? He gives him a 5 year contract. Second, my point was THERE WERE NO OTHER TEAMS COMPETING FOR ZYDRUNAS. Why would you pay him $10-12 million per (I'm not quite sure how much he got, but I think it was in that range) when you could have had him for $8 million a year?

2. Your point about Philadelphia being desperate enough to take on Chris Webber's contract is exactly my point.

I have not said that any NBA team or GM would be prudent or rational to offer Eddy Curry a multi-year contract for the MLE or better. My point is that there are NBA teams and GMs out there that are DESPERATE ENOUGH to take that risk.

3. Eddy Curry is definitely a unique case. But, I still hold the belief that there will be SOME NBA franchise, and more likely quite a few, that will take the risk and offer multiple years for more than the MINIMUM that some of you have suggested.

2pac
09-20-2005, 10:47 AM
I would trade Rasho for Curry and let Curry walk for nothing next year without thinking twice. I am sure the Spurs have offered it, if they asked Cuban about a Tariq AbdurWahad for Rasho straight up trade.