APG of NBA Starting PGs

[FkLA]

1. Ricky Rubio - 11.0 apg
2. Chris Paul - 9.0 apg
3. Russell Westbrook - 8.7 apg
4. Damian Lillard - 8.3 apg
5. Mike Conley - 8.0 apg
Jarrett Jack - 8.0 apg
7. Deron Williams - 7.5 apg
8. Kyle Lowry - 7.3 apg
Steph Curry - 7.3 apg
Michael Carter-Williams - 7.3 apg
11. Rajon Rondo - 6.7 apg
John Wall - 6.7 apg
Ish Smith - 6.7 apg
14. Goran Dragic - 6.0 apg
15. Derrick Rose - 5.5 apg
16. Kemba Walker - 5.3 apg
Reggie Jackson - 5.3 apg
Elfrid Payton - 5.3 apg
Emmanuel Mudiay - 5.3 apg
20. Jeff Teague - 5.0 apg
Ty Lawson - 5.0 apg
Mo Williams - 5.0 apg
23. Eric Bledsoe - 4.3 apg
24. Monta Ellis - 4.0 apg
25. Marcus Smart - 3.7 apg
26. Raul Neto - 2.7 apg
Enrique Porker - 2.7 apg
28. Isaiah Cannan - 2.0 apg
29. Jose Calderon - 1.7 apg
D'Angelo Russell - 1.7 apg

:toast

[Mr. Body]

Who gives a shit.

[AFMadison]

Who gives a shit.

We play for W's, not some petty stat sheet.

[spurraider21]

if parker gets more assists, he's controlling the ball too long and they should run the offense through kawhi

[dabom]

This guy is a POS. Can't score or dish. :lmao

[FkLA]

This guy is a POS. Can't score or dish. :lmao

He's Raul Neto except making 14 times as much. :lol :vomit:

[AFMadison]

He's Raul Neto except making 14 times as much. :lol :vomit:

Would you rather the Spurs win a championship this year and Tony get MVP, or Tony plays terrible and he is the reason for the Spurs losing the Finals.

[daslicer]

Spurs are winning right now who gives a shit?

[FkLA]

Would you rather the Spurs win a championship this year and Tony get MVP, or Tony plays terrible and he is the reason for the Spurs losing the Finals.

I'd rather he gets benched and the Spurs win a championship.

[313]

For Parker to get more assists he would have to have the ball in his hands more. I thought you guys didnt want dribble dribble dribble anymore? Make up your mind kiwitards

[313]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/usageRate

Tony not even in the 50 in usage rate among point guards

[Silver&Black]

I'd rather he gets benched and the Spurs win a championship.

That wasn't an option...

[FkLA]

For Parker to get more assists he would have to have the ball in his hands more. I thought you guys didnt want dribble dribble dribble anymore? Make up your mind kiwitards

Funny how Manu has a respectable APG playing limited minutes and without having to dribble dribble dribble.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh look, another vanilla troll thread.

[Mister Sinister]

It's 4 games into the season, jfc calm down you're like 12.

[313]

Funny how Manu has a respectable APG playing limited minutes and without having to dribble dribble dribble.
They play different roles.

Also, Manu #8 among SGs in usage rate

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/sort/usageRate

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Wow half of those stat padders in top 10 are on losing teams.

[SAGirl]

Nobody but you cares about this.

[313]

Oh look, another vanilla troll thread.
Apa must have shot some pms to the krew asking to help him deflect from his shitty prediction thread.

[FkLA]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg/sort/usageRate

Tony not even in the 50 in usage rate among point guards

No shit just look at the usage rate formula. The Pork can't get his shot off or get to the line so of course his usage rate is low.

Still has the ball in his hands enough that he shouldn't be Raul Neto though.

[dabom]

231
Raul Neto (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2968361), UTAH
3
22.3
.444
27.7
13.9
15.2
3.4
1.7
2.6
8.34
-2.7
-0.1


232
Taj Gibson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3986), CHI
4
20.0
.514
3.3
26.3
14.9
10.1
19.8
15.5
8.30
-3.8
-0.1


233
Tyler Zeller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6631), BOS
3
11.3
.508
10.1
10.1
20.6
0.0
6.8
3.1
8.14
-1.3
-0.0


234
David Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2772), BOS
3
20.0
.353
22.4
14.0
19.2
9.6
25.0
16.6
8.09
-3.1
-0.1


235
T.J. Warren (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2982334), PHX
3
20.3
.423
3.0
5.9
21.1
3.3
14.4
8.9
7.92
-2.3
-0.1


236
Derrick Rose (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3456), CHI
4
32.3
.399
23.7
12.9
24.3
0.0
8.7
4.8
7.89
-6.0
-0.2


237
Darrell Arthur (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3413), DEN
3
22.0
.368
16.0
8.0
13.7
8.8
15.1
11.8
7.85
-3.6
-0.1


238
Lance Stephenson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4244), LAC
3
21.3
.504
27.7
13.9
14.2
1.8
7.0
4.7
7.81
-2.6
-0.1



Jordan Hill (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3994), IND
2
21.5
.384
0.0
0.0
14.7
10.5
27.2
18.7
7.81
-1.8
-0.1


240
Nemanja Bjelica (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4269), MIN
2
24.0
.590
21.0
14.0
10.1
0.0
24.3
13.7
7.72
-2.7
-0.1


RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe)


241
Rasual Butler (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1767), SA
2
9.5
.363
0.0
0.0
14.4
0.0
10.6
5.7
7.67
-0.8
-0.0


242
Tony Parker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1015), SA
3
25.7
.520
20.5
15.4
17.4
1.5
9.2
5.6
7.58
-3.9
-0.1


243
Ty Lawson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4000), HOU
3
36.7
.474
29.1
15.5
15.2
0.0
12.3
5.8
7.55
-5.7
-0.2


244
Jameer Nelson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2439), DEN
3
25.7
.401
26.7
11.4
22.7
1.3
10.1
5.4
7.51
-4.0
-0.1


245
Dion Waiters (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6628), OKC
3
24.7
.450
21.4
16.1
17.0
1.6
15.7
9.0
7.46
-3.4
-0.1


246
Corey Brewer (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3191), HOU
3
26.7
.367
11.5
6.9
20.2
1.3
16.9
8.6
7.43
-3.7
-0.1


247
Kyle Anderson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2993874), SA
3
8.3
.400
0.0
0.0
8.0
0.0
12.1
6.5
7.42
-1.2
-0.0


248
D'Angelo Russell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3136776), LAL
3
25.3
.437
12.2
12.2
19.0
2.6
8.8
5.5
7.38
-4.1
-0.1


249
JaKarr Sampson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2608891), PHI
2
23.5
.563
5.0
24.8
17.2
0.0
19.0
9.2
7.12
-2.4
-0.1


250
Joe Johnson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1007), BKN
3
30.0
.369
17.4
5.0
16.6
4.7
13.1
8.7
7.02
-4.7
-0.2




:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Porky is actually doing his job. Handing the ball to Kawhi/LMA & getting out of their way. As long as he attacks switches to keep the defense honest then he can be a decent game manager. Tim is basically the point-forward of the team b/c of the high-low.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs win.

Parker has a good night.

Krew melts down in multiple threads.

Quite predictable.

[dabom]

RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe)


11
Dirk Nowitzki (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=609), DAL
3
25.3
.647
12.7
2.1
22.7
2.6
28.5
15.8
30.08
21.1
0.7


12
Giannis Antetokounmpo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3032977), MIL
2
33.5
.718
9.4
14.0
24.6
5.5
25.6
15.9
28.48
18.0
0.6


13
Kendrick Perkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2018), NO
3
9.3
.800
16.7
0.0
14.7
3.6
29.8
15.5
28.03
7.3
0.2


14
Kevin Durant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3202), OKC
3
38.7
.634
8.4
6.0
26.6
1.0
17.3
9.6
27.88
30.1
1.0


15
Kevin Love (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3449), CLE
3
32.3
.570
17.5
7.3
26.0
12.9
24.4
18.7
27.87
23.7
0.8


16
Manu Ginobili (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=272), SA
3
21.3
.605
27.6
13.8
25.8
1.8
18.9
11.0
27.19
15.9
0.5




Manu killing it per par. :lmao

[FkLA]

They play different roles.

Also, Manu #8 among SGs in usage rate

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/sort/usageRate

I don't think you know what usage rate is, retard.

[FkLA]

231
Raul Neto (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2968361), UTAH
3
22.3
.444
27.7
13.9
15.2
3.4
1.7
2.6
8.34
-2.7
-0.1


232
Taj Gibson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3986), CHI
4
20.0
.514
3.3
26.3
14.9
10.1
19.8
15.5
8.30
-3.8
-0.1


233
Tyler Zeller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6631), BOS
3
11.3
.508
10.1
10.1
20.6
0.0
6.8
3.1
8.14
-1.3
-0.0


234
David Lee (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2772), BOS
3
20.0
.353
22.4
14.0
19.2
9.6
25.0
16.6
8.09
-3.1
-0.1


235
T.J. Warren (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2982334), PHX
3
20.3
.423
3.0
5.9
21.1
3.3
14.4
8.9
7.92
-2.3
-0.1


236
Derrick Rose (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3456), CHI
4
32.3
.399
23.7
12.9
24.3
0.0
8.7
4.8
7.89
-6.0
-0.2


237
Darrell Arthur (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3413), DEN
3
22.0
.368
16.0
8.0
13.7
8.8
15.1
11.8
7.85
-3.6
-0.1


238
Lance Stephenson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4244), LAC
3
21.3
.504
27.7
13.9
14.2
1.8
7.0
4.7
7.81
-2.6
-0.1



Jordan Hill (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3994), IND
2
21.5
.384
0.0
0.0
14.7
10.5
27.2
18.7
7.81
-1.8
-0.1


240
Nemanja Bjelica (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4269), MIN
2
24.0
.590
21.0
14.0
10.1
0.0
24.3
13.7
7.72
-2.7
-0.1


RK
PLAYER
GP
MPG
TS% (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/trueShootingPct)
AST (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/assistRatio)
TO (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/turnoverRatio/order/false)
USG (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate)
ORR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/offReboundRate)
DRR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/defReboundRate)
REBR (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate)
PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/order/false)
VA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORP)
EWA (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe)


241
Rasual Butler (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1767), SA
2
9.5
.363
0.0
0.0
14.4
0.0
10.6
5.7
7.67
-0.8
-0.0


242
Tony Parker (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1015), SA
3
25.7
.520
20.5
15.4
17.4
1.5
9.2
5.6
7.58
-3.9
-0.1


243
Ty Lawson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=4000), HOU
3
36.7
.474
29.1
15.5
15.2
0.0
12.3
5.8
7.55
-5.7
-0.2


244
Jameer Nelson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2439), DEN
3
25.7
.401
26.7
11.4
22.7
1.3
10.1
5.4
7.51
-4.0
-0.1


245
Dion Waiters (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=6628), OKC
3
24.7
.450
21.4
16.1
17.0
1.6
15.7
9.0
7.46
-3.4
-0.1


246
Corey Brewer (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3191), HOU
3
26.7
.367
11.5
6.9
20.2
1.3
16.9
8.6
7.43
-3.7
-0.1


247
Kyle Anderson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2993874), SA
3
8.3
.400
0.0
0.0
8.0
0.0
12.1
6.5
7.42
-1.2
-0.0


248
D'Angelo Russell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=3136776), LAL
3
25.3
.437
12.2
12.2
19.0
2.6
8.8
5.5
7.38
-4.1
-0.1


249
JaKarr Sampson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2608891), PHI
2
23.5
.563
5.0
24.8
17.2
0.0
19.0
9.2
7.12
-2.4
-0.1


250
Joe Johnson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1007), BKN
3
30.0
.369
17.4
5.0
16.6
4.7
13.1
8.7
7.02
-4.7
-0.2




:lmao

smh

[313]

I don't think you know what usage rate is, retard.


USG: Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)

[313]

No shit just look at the usage rate formula. The Pork can't get his shot off or get to the line so of course his usage rate is low.

Still has the ball in his hands enough that he shouldn't be Raul Neto though.So would you rather he force shit up? He's doing the right thing and moving the ball. Manu has always been a better playmaker than porker so I don't see why you madde the comparison.

[FkLA]

USG: Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)



Exactly. You're acting like his APG are low bc his usage rate is low, when in reality his usage rate is low bc he's not getting any assists (and struggles to get his shot off+draw fouls).


So would you rather he force shit up? He's doing the right thing and moving the ball. Manu has always been a better playmaker than porker so I don't see why you madde the comparison.

I'd rather he be useful. You act like his only options are to be Raul Neto or a heroballer.

[cjw]

Not an apologist, but remember this:

1. Sample size
2. Who cares - you're telling me you'd rather have Jarrett Jack than Parker just because his APG is all the way up at 8?
3. More ISO this year and more Leonard handling the ball

And this - http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/passing/?sort=POTENTIAL_AST&dir=1 - more potential assists vs. actual assists points to guys missing shots off his passes. Green's cold as we all know, etc.

[apalisoc_9]

Fkla, what brand of truth flakes do you eat in the morning?

[FkLA]

Cinnamon Truth Crunch is pretty good tbh

[spurraider21]

Cinnamon Truth Crunch is pretty good tbh
how do you think parker played today, specifically?

[FkLA]

how do you think parker played today, specifically?

Took advantage of Calderon and scored well, did a good job of picking his spots. Didn't do much else aside from that.

[spurraider21]

Took advantage of Calderon and scored well, did a good job of picking his spots. Didn't do much else aside from that.
what else would you want him to do

[dabom]

what else would you want him to do

Not be a POS on defense.

[Clipper Nation]

Blake Griffin, a power forward, is averaging more assists per game than Porker :lol

[spurraider21]

Not be a POS on defense.
how did the opposing guards do offensively?

[spurraider21]

Blake Griffin, a power forward, is averaging more assists per game than Porker :lol
so you think parker should have the ball more and a higher usage rate? :wow

[dabom]

how did the opposing guards do offensively?

I wasn't talking specifically about this game.

[spurraider21]

I wasn't talking specifically about this game.
I was. I asked specifically what FkLA thought about Parker's performance in this game.

[Clipper Nation]

so you think parker should have the ball more and a higher usage rate? :wow

As an opposing fan, yes, please let Rique dribble dribble dribble and chuck to his heart's content. Gives us a better chance of winning. :toast

[spurraider21]

As an opposing fan, yes, please let Rique dribble dribble dribble and chuck to his heart's content. Gives us a better chance of winning. :toast
thanks for confirming that you're full of shit

:cry why doesnt parker get more assists
:cry parker should get the ball less

if you want to criticize him, fine. he's our weak link in the starting 5. but at least let your criticisms make sense :lol

[FkLA]

what else would you want him to do

Oh idk maybe be a decent defender. Maybe improve his jumpshot a little. Maybe not be such a terrible distributor.

He's seemingly accepted his role player status but he's still pretty shitty at most things good role players are supposed to excel in.

[FkLA]

so you think parker should have the ball more and a higher usage rate? :wow




USG: Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)




Exactly. You're acting like his APG are low bc his usage rate is low, when in reality his usage rate is low bc he's not getting any assists (and struggles to get his shot off+draw fouls).

[Mr Bones]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?

[spurraider21]

Oh idk maybe be a decent defender. Maybe improve his jumpshot a little. Maybe not be such a terrible distributor.

He's seemingly accepted his role player status but he's still pretty shitty at most things good role players are supposed to excel in.
was his defense poor tonight? how did knicks guards do offensively? was his jumper bad today? i felt like he was knocking them down at a reasonable rate.

[spurraider21]

that usage argument is such bullshit :lol... he was bad last year and still had a usage rate north of 24%... he's at 17% this year because he has accepted smaller role and is handling the ball much less

i would think you guys would be thrilled that Parker's usage rate is down, but now ur somehow managing to whine about that too

[Mr Bones]

thanks for confirming that you're full of shit

:cry why doesnt parker get more assists
:cry parker should get the ball less

if you want to criticize him, fine. he's our weak link in the starting 5. but at least let your criticisms make sense :lol

:lol Exactly... Parker, older now, is no longer the player he once was. I can't understand how the krew here continues to find this so astonishing.

[dabom]

Half of spurstalk last year thought Tony was going to regain his form. :lmao

I ain't gonna bump any of those threads. :lol

[spurraider21]

:madrun parker's usage rate is too low :madrun

[FkLA]

was his defense poor tonight? how did knicks guards do offensively? was his jumper bad today? i felt like he was knocking them down at a reasonable rate.

Most of his points were on drives/tear drops and backdoor cuts. Had maybe one midrange jumper IIRC. Still hasn't made a three all year and poses no threat as a shooter. His defense today wasn't a liability simply bc he was going up against the slowest starting PG in the league.


that usage argument is such bullshit :lol... he was bad last year and still had a usage rate north of 24%... he's at 17% this year because he has accepted smaller role

He has seemingly accepted a new role. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the ball in his hands a lot just that he's not going heroballer on us. Your trying to defend his poor APG by suggesting he doesn't have the ball in his hands often...and using usage rate as your reasoning which is just retarded.

[spurraider21]

Most of his points were on drives/tear drops and backdoor cuts. Had maybe one midrange jumper IIRC. Still hasn't made a three all year and poses no threat as a shooter. His defense today wasn't a liability today simply bc he was going up against the slowest starting PG in the league.
so what more did you want from him tonight?



He has seemingly accepted a new role. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the ball in his hands a lot just that he's not going heroballer on us. Your trying to defend his poor APG by suggesting he doesn't have the ball in his hands often...and using usage rate as your reasoning which is just retarded.
parker's usage drops by 7 the same season kawhi's increases by 8... and you want to claim parker doesn't have the ball less, but is in fact THAT much less effective than last year. lol

occams razor, tbh. parker has given up some control of the ball and kawhi has assumed more offensive responsibility

[FkLA]

so what more did you want from him tonight?

I haven't talked shot about tonight. He wasn't his usual terrible self today. Unfortunately, he only plays Calderon one more time this year.


parker's usage drops by 7 the same season kawhi's increases by 8... and you want to claim parker doesn't have the ball less, but is in fact THAT much less effective than last year. lol

occams razor, tbh. parker has given up some control of the ball and kawhi has assumed more offensive responsibility

Jesus just look at the formula for a second. You can claim he's playing within his limits (less FGAs) but you can't really say he doesn't have the ball often, that's not what the formula represents.

[spurraider21]

I haven't talked shot about tonight.
:lol


Took advantage of Calderon and scored well, did a good job of picking his spots. Didn't do much else aside from that.
^that's you talking about tonight, btw


He wasn't his usual terrible self today. Unfortunately, he only plays Calderon one more time this year.
so he played fine today. got it thanks. thats why i find it weird that u guys are still managing to whine about him tonight


Jesus just look at the formula for a second. You can claim he's playing within his limits (less FGAs and FTAs) but you can't really say he doesn't have the ball often, that's not what the formula represents.
do we have a stat that indicates how much he has the ball to support your claim? kawhi has clearly initiated more offense this year, and parker has initiated less. anybody who has watched the games would see that pretty easily

[SpursIndonesia]

Porky is actually doing his job. Handing the ball to Kawhi/LMA & getting out of their way. As long as he attacks switches keep the defense honest then he can be a decent game manager. Tim is basically the point-forward of the team b/c of the high-low.

Good observation, less usage, just taking care of the ball before it ends up in LMA, Kawow or TD hands, not forcing any shots, those should be sufficient for TP as a starting PG.

[MI21]

Just for fun, Kawhi's APG is ranked #32 amongst NBA small forwards.

:bobo

[DocDoc]

Not an apologist, but remember this:

1. Sample size
2. Who cares - you're telling me you'd rather have Jarrett Jack than Parker just because his APG is all the way up at 8?
3. More ISO this year and more Leonard handling the ball

And this - http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/passing/?sort=POTENTIAL_AST&dir=1 - more potential assists vs. actual assists points to guys missing shots off his passes. Green's cold as we all know, etc.


Also PG's are scorers in the current setup - SG, PF, and Duncan delivering the second pass that is the assist.

[BillMc]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?

Of course it does. And he's embracing it both on and off the court. Tony should be commended. He was All-NBA only 2 years ago, so it takes a lot of maturity to hand over the reigns. Very Robinson-esque.

[DarrinS]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?


I thought he played well.

[Brazil]

:lol krew showing their bias again... not even capable to just say gg Parker tonight and move one... smh

retard thread after retard thread

[jag]

I thought he played well.

That's because he did play well.

[Purch]

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[K...]

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That's the thing man. The original Parker v manu battles always revolved around this. People bitched about Tony not having assists, which was dumb because as a scoring point guard he always brought points and the spurs offense always reduced assist numbers because of post play ave secondary passes. It's just dishonest to say Parker was not following instructions every year but possibly last year.

Fkla is an old manu fanatic, so I'll give him a pass, but this is all old old arguments being rehashed.

[Brazil]

This tread is retard like OP tbh...

I can play this game too tbh...

filters: starters, forwards, AST/TOV, at least 1 assist during the season => 67 players

Kawhi is 63 in this list, only worst than him: Scola, Kristaps Porzingis (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/204001/stats/?p=kristaps-porzingis), JaKarr Sampson (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203960/stats/?p=jakarr-sampson), Nikola Mirotic (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202703/stats/?p=nikola-mirotic)

[Macca76]

7-12 from the field, 16 pts, 3 assists, 0 turnovers, 29 minutes... isn't this what you want? Parker was efficient, didn't turn the ball over, and took fewer shots than Kawhi & LMA... doesn't this show that he's understanding his new role?

OP is one of the biggest Parker Haters on this forum (and that's to say something), TP could have 30 pts and 10 assists, he would bitch about too many shots, not enough defense bla bla bla. I guess he blames TP for bad weather as well

[RD2191]

Fkla, what brand of truth flakes do you eat in the morning?


Cinnamon Truth Crunch is pretty good tbh
:lmao muh niggas

[Agloco]

Fkla, what brand of truth flakes do you eat in the morning?


Cinnamon Truth Crunch is pretty good tbh


:lmao muh niggas

Tard krew needs to get a room tbh.

[pookenstein]

:lol krew showing their bias again... not even capable to just say gg Parker tonight and move one... smh

retard thread after retard thread

Did you expect aything else?

[spurraider21]

Last year and all summer: parkers usage rate too high!
So far this year: parkers usage rare too low!

[BatManu20]

Meh that's a misleading stat tbh, as Parker's role this season has diminished considerably, and Aldridge has yet to really find his rhythm on his long jump shots, otherwise Parker would likely be averaging around five assists on those pick-n-pops alone.

With that said, seeing as how the Grizzlies are not a serious contender anymore imo, I really wish we could trade Tony for Mike Conley tbh. And throw Gasol in there. Those guys are going to rot away on that roster, sadly.

[spurraider21]

FkLA the fg% thread got locked so just want to repost the terms. O/u 45% field goals for the season, 100

[Russ]

1. Ricky Rubio - 11.0 apg
2. Chris Paul - 9.0 apg
3. Russell Westbrook - 8.7 apg
4. Damian Lillard - 8.3 apg
5. Mike Conley - 8.0 apg
Jarrett Jack - 8.0 apg
7. Deron Williams - 7.5 apg
8. Kyle Lowry - 7.3 apg
Steph Curry - 7.3 apg
Michael Carter-Williams - 7.3 apg
11. Rajon Rondo - 6.7 apg
John Wall - 6.7 apg
Ish Smith - 6.7 apg
14. Goran Dragic - 6.0 apg
15. Derrick Rose - 5.5 apg
16. Kemba Walker - 5.3 apg
Reggie Jackson - 5.3 apg
Elfrid Payton - 5.3 apg
Emmanuel Mudiay - 5.3 apg
20. Jeff Teague - 5.0 apg
Ty Lawson - 5.0 apg
Mo Williams - 5.0 apg
23. Eric Bledsoe - 4.3 apg
24. Monta Ellis - 4.0 apg
25. Marcus Smart - 3.7 apg
26. Raul Neto - 2.7 apg
Enrique Porker - 2.7 apg
28. Isaiah Cannan - 2.0 apg
29. Jose Calderon - 1.7 apg
D'Angelo Russell - 1.7 apg

:toast

All all the above except Parker = 2 titles (combined).

Parker = 4 titles.

[Raven]

d-bust :lol such vision :lol

[FkLA]

:lol


^that's you talking about tonight, btw


so he played fine today. got it thanks. thats why i find it weird that u guys are still managing to whine about him tonight


do we have a stat that indicates how much he has the ball to support your claim? kawhi has clearly initiated more offense this year, and parker has initiated less. anybody who has watched the games would see that pretty easily

Jesus christ I meant I haven't talked shit about tonight, as in criticized his performance vs NY. He brought more to the table than he normally does.

No, there isn't a stat like that. Likewise there isn't a stat to support your argument either. Usage rate doesn't represent what you think it represents. I don't think he has the ball in his hands so little that he should be averaging the same APG as Raul Neto.



FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213) the fg% thread got locked so just want to repost the terms. O/u 45% field goals for the season, 100

:tu

:lol Why did it get locked this time?

[SuperCam]

This tread is retard like OP tbh...

I can play this game too tbh...

filters: starters, forwards, AST/TOV, at least 1 assist during the season => 67 players

Kawhi is 63 in this list, only worst than him: Scola, Kristaps Porzingis (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/204001/stats/?p=kristaps-porzingis), JaKarr Sampson (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203960/stats/?p=jakarr-sampson), Nikola Mirotic (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202703/stats/?p=nikola-mirotic)


kawhobe won't pass the fkn ball :bang

[spurraider21]

Jesus christ I meant I haven't talked shit about tonight, as in criticized his performance vs NY. He brought more to the table than he normally does.

No, there isn't a stat like that. Likewise there isn't a stat to support your argument either. Usage rate doesn't represent what you think it represents. I don't think he has the ball in his hands so little that he should be averaging the same APG as Raul Neto.
The first time u mentioned his play u said something like "he did a, b, c, not much else" and I tried to ask what else you wanted him to do.

I'm just going to assume that it's not a wild coincidence that kawhi has done more initiating of the offense and that parkers usage and assists are down





:tu

:lol Why did it get locked this time?
French mod imo

[ChumpDumper]

The krew really has trouble focusing after a good game by Parker.

[Mr Bones]

Even after a win where Patty, Boris, and Danny don't play well, but Tony plays efficiently and defers to Kawhi and LMA on offense, people still come here and find something negative to say about Tony. It's just a natural reflex now, with no objectivity at all. It's reverse-homerism.

[Rob123]

This thread is legit dumb.

Did y'all even watch the game?? He had some good kick outs to LMA and TD who clanked wide open jump shots. Not to mention the team doesn't rely on the PG to play make like other teams in the league because the whole starting lineup moves the ball unselfishly within the confines of Pops system. Manu of course has more assists because he is the engine of the second unit that's his job, the second unit isn't capable of moving the ball and creating their own shots to the extent that the Starting 5 can obviously.

You're dumb, your thread is dumb, be a Spurs fan not a dumbass cry baby. Also stop posting so much. You have 14,000 more posts than me and have been a member a year less. Go outside and learn to play basketball or meet some people from the opposite sex so you stop crowding this board with every stupid thought you have stemming from your pent up sexual frustration.

[Clipper Nation]

Last year and all summer: parkers usage rate too high!
So far this year: parkers usage rare too low!
Philo last year and all summer: "I'm a faggot!"
Philo so far this year: "I'm a faggot!"

[daslicer]

OP has gone to a special level of craziness with his anti-Parker rant considering he's going off on Parker even when the Spurs win. On top of that LMA,Kawhi,Duncan all had good games and this guy still finds a way to whine and bitch about Parker.

[spurraider21]

Philo last year and all summer: "I'm a faggot!"
Philo so far this year: "I'm a faggot!"
:lol BoiseNTheHood

[313]

d-bust :lol such vision :lol

:lmao

[DJR210]

Another great opportunity for a..

:lol Lakers

[313]

This thread is legit dumb.

Did y'all even watch the game?? He had some good kick outs to LMA and TD who clanked wide open jump shots. Not to mention the team doesn't rely on the PG to play make like other teams in the league because the whole starting lineup moves the ball unselfishly within the confines of Pops system. Manu of course has more assists because he is the engine of the second unit that's his job, the second unit isn't capable of moving the ball and creating their own shots to the extent that the Starting 5 can obviously.

You're dumb, your thread is dumb, be a Spurs fan not a dumbass cry baby. Also stop posting so much. You have 14,000 more posts than me and have been a member a year less. Go outside and learn to play basketball or meet some people from the opposite sex so you stop crowding this board with every stupid thought you have stemming from your pent up sexual frustration.

:wow