Steph Curry right now is better than Kobe ever was

[JohnnyMax]

Curry might be the most dominant offensive player since....Shaq (another player better than Kobe at his peak). Curry bends the defense with the three just like Shaq bent the defense by making it collapse inside.

[~O~]

What makes it more impressive is that he gets it done without constantly flopping or shooting a high volume of free throws. Having watched him, his intent is to score and not draw fouls in 90% of instances. If he gets to the line, its because of what he is. Unguardable.

Curry is the MVP of the league thus far and by a wide margin.

I expect hiccup losses from Golden State. Then they'll instantly recover. However, they've played better every game.

The Warriors don't face OKC till February, Cleveland until Christmas, and San Antonio until April......jesus. Whether it matters to anyone or not, I don't believe OKC stands a chance. Having watched their offense, they still are reliant on officiating and cheap calls early in the game rather than complex execution and all around scoring.

They execute a late screen and roll with Steven Adams and Westbrook to get a drive to the lane or find Durant at the opposite wing for three. They'll run curls off inbounds. That's about it. The Thunder are only two men deep...three men if ibaka decides to show up. That's it. OKC stands no chance.


As for San An, who knows but its not looking pretty. Stay humble Spurs fan. By the time they face each other, they'll be seasoned.

Golden State see's both the Grizzlies and the Spurs in their last 4 games.

[spurraider21]

I called Curry. Me.

[Thread]

Kobe: 5

Curry: 1

[apalisoc_9]

probably yeah...

[100%duncan]

What makes it more impressive is that he gets it done without constantly flopping or shooting a high volume of free throws. Having watched him, his intent is to score and not draw fouls in 90% of instances. If he gets to the line, its because of what he is. Unguardable.

Curry is the MVP of the league thus far and by a wide margin.

I expect hiccup losses from Golden State. Then they'll instantly recover. However, they've played better every game.

The Warriors don't face OKC till February, Cleveland until Christmas, and San Antonio until April......jesus. Whether it matters to anyone or not, I don't believe OKC stands a chance. Having watched their offense, they still are reliant on officiating and cheap calls early in the game rather than complex execution and all around scoring.

They execute a late screen and roll with Steven Adams and Westbrook to get a drive to the lane or find Durant at the opposite wing for three. They'll run curls off inbounds. That's about it. The Thunder are only two men deep...three men if ibaka decides to show up. That's it. OKC stands no chance.


As for San An, who knows but its not looking pretty. Stay humble Spurs fan. By the time they face each other, they'll be seasoned.

Golden State see's both the Grizzlies and the Spurs in their last 4 games.

Stay humble for what? They are not the team that retooled offseason. By the time they face the Spurs, the spurs will be seasoned.

[~O~]

Stay humble for what? They are not the team that retooled offseason. By the time they face the Spurs, the spurs will be seasoned.

Are you trolling me or something. I said that: As for San An, who knows but its not looking pretty. Stay humble Spurs fan. By the time they face each other, they'll be seasoned.

[hater]

He was pretty shitty in the finals. I'd say negatory

[Killakobe81]

Curry might be the most dominant offensive player since....Shaq (another player better than Kobe at his peak). Curry bends the defense with the three just like Shaq bent the defense by making it collapse inside.

Not sure what type of insult that is or why the focus on Kobe. To say at their peaks that jordan,shaq, Curry, Lebron and even Tim (efficiency wise) are greater than peak Kobe is on offense, is no insult to Kobe. Those guys will go down as all-time great offensive players.

I only have issue when people argue Pau/Manu are greater at their peaks. But I can see the case for Curry especially if he can keep this up ...tbh he is starting to eneter the convo with Magic. not as gifted a passer but he is closer to Magic as passer than Magic was to Steph as a shooter or dribbler. Magic is also the better rebounder neither are defensive wizards.

[Koolaid_Man]

Curry might be the most dominant offensive player since....Shaq (another player better than Kobe at his peak). Curry bends the defense with the three just like Shaq bent the defense by making it collapse inside.


Hey what up brewski....long as Curry stops Tammy from ranging its all good my nigga :lol

[midnightpulp]

Peak Curry>>>Peak Kobe. Put Curry on the '06 Lakers, give Curry freedom to chuck, and he averages over 40 points per game. I would like to say that peak Kobe was better than peak Curry since it could be argued Kobe was much better defensively, but the myth of Kobe's "doberman defense" has been soundly debunked.

Career, it's still Kobe. Curry's weak ankles could give at any moment.

[313]

Too soon tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

What makes it more impressive is that he gets it done without constantly flopping or shooting a high volume of free throws. Having watched him, his intent is to score and not draw fouls in 90% of instances. If he gets to the line, its because of what he is. Unguardable.

Curry is the MVP of the league thus far and by a wide margin.

I expect hiccup losses from Golden State. Then they'll instantly recover. However, they've played better every game.

The Warriors don't face OKC till February, Cleveland until Christmas, and San Antonio until April......jesus. Whether it matters to anyone or not, I don't believe OKC stands a chance. Having watched their offense, they still are reliant on officiating and cheap calls early in the game rather than complex execution and all around scoring.

They execute a late screen and roll with Steven Adams and Westbrook to get a drive to the lane or find Durant at the opposite wing for three. They'll run curls off inbounds. That's about it. The Thunder are only two men deep...three men if ibaka decides to show up. That's it. OKC stands no chance.


As for San An, who knows but its not looking pretty. Stay humble Spurs fan. By the time they face each other, they'll be seasoned.

Golden State see's both the Grizzlies and the Spurs in their last 4 games.

I think LeBron has proved that the Warriors can be beat by ISO ball. OKC can score on the Dubs b/c KD/Russ can drop 70 against any defense. The issue w/ OKC is that they don't have anyone to check Curry/Klay. They best wing defender is Roberson but he's worse than Tony Allen on offense thus is unplayable. Westbrook is a ball hawk & KD is average. Waiter/Augustine are below average & Kanter would get murdered on switches. Their saving grace is Ibaka but the Warriors are a jump shooting team & Draymond will pull him out of the paint. Their best chance is winning a shootout against the Dubs meaning Kanter/Ibaka/Waiters have to show up.

[DMC]

Curry has 1 ring, and needed Iggy to get him there because that defensive stalwart Delly was roaming.

[~O~]

I think LeBron has proved that the Warriors can be beat by ISO ball. OKC can score on the Dubs b/c KD/Russ can drop 70 against any defense. The issue w/ OKC is that they don't have anyone to check Curry/Klay. They best wing defender is Roberson but he's worse than Tony Allen on offense thus is unplayable. Westbrook is a ball hawk & KD is average. Waiter/Augustine are below average & Kanter would get murdered on switches. Their saving grace is Ibaka but the Warriors are a jump shooting team & Draymond will pull him out of the paint. Their best chance is winning a shootout against the Dubs meaning Kanter/Ibaka/Waiters have to show up.

Actually, they only lost to Cleveland because Curry wasn't himself for two games. The very 2nd game, curry shot an abysmal percentage for whatever reason and was taken off his game in game three. No one stopped him either; he was just cold.

The Cavaliers didn't prove anything. They were exposed by just being in the playoffs. Real fans who know the game knew that what Cleveland was capable of was solely based on what Lebron was capable of.

They had few type of offensive sets or execution that was reliable outside of something Lebron could create. Their offense was and still is based off isolations. Its worse now that Mo Williams, JR Smith, and Richard Jefferson is on their team; their funeral.

The Cavs also wouldn't go smaller with Mozgov off the floor and Draymond Green was such a mismatch that they couldn't control. Remember, LeBron shot an awful percentage in all games shooting 39 percentage and average 34 field goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XxjE2YDycs

Golden State already had an elite offense coming into the finals. They are a team that could create off ball and were not reliant on just iso play but various screens. Curry, Klay, Westbrook, and Durant cannot be checked. They're elite. Golden State however the case, has a defense that can slow people down and shut people down to the point where the opponent is silenced/overwhelmed.

Their goal is to outscore or place the opponent in foul trouble. Their team is incapable of a consistent balanced offense. Their team is completely reliant on foul calls and 2 players to score a majority of the load throughout the game.

Golden State can defer and count on other players to show up when their elites aren't playing well. Not okc.

I think the Warriors fool people into thinking their only a jump shooting team. The Warriors offense is based off of getting anywhere on the court. The Warriors do too many things well to not succeed.

[Kawhitstorm]

Golden State already had an elite offense coming into the finals. They are a team that could create off ball and were not reliant on just iso play but various screens. Curry, Klay, Westbrook, and Durant cannot be checked. They're elite. Golden State however the case, has a defense that can slow people down and shut people down to the point where the opponent is silenced/overwhelmed.

Their goal is to outscore or place the opponent in foul trouble. Their team is incapable of a consistent balanced offense. Their team is completely reliant on foul calls and 2 players to score a majority of the load throughout the game.

Golden State can defer and count on other players to show up when their elites aren't playing well. Not okc.



-Klay was shut down for the last 4 games of the Final & was getting outplayed by Shumpert, lol @ him being mentioned in the same breath as KD/Russ/Curry:lmao
-ISO ball helps control the pace which is what LeBron did in the Finals, the Warriors want to play at a fast pace but KD/Russ can make it a halfcourt battle.
-KD/Russ don't have to differ to anyone but each other & both are top 10 players meanwhile Curry has to depend on Iggy/Draymond making plays, Barnes making his open shots & Klay not disappearing

[Kawhitstorm]

Curry has 1 ring, and needed Iggy to get him there because that defensive stalwart Delly was roaming.

Curry struggled b/c he had to walk up the ball thus couldn't launch those fast break pull-ups & he also couldn't get many clean looks in the half-court set b/c Delly was allowed to be physical w/ him

[DMC]

Curry struggled b/c he had to walk up the ball thus couldn't launch those fast break pull-ups & he also couldn't get many clean looks in the half-court set b/c Delly was allowed to be physical w/ him
awe pobocito, being defended like that.

[Stabula]

Don't get why everyone is blowing their load over this guy. He wasn't even the best player on his teamlast year in the Finals

[Arcadian]

Absolutely. Kirbs never approached 46% from 3. :lol He never even approached 40%.

This isn't even an argument anymore. 2015 Curry > peak Kirbs.

[Koolaid_Man]

As long as Curry have Spur fan scared shitless I'm good :lol

[DMC]

As long as Curry have Spur fan scared shitless I'm good :lol
He hasn't beaten us in the playoffs.

[Koolaid_Man]

He hasn't beaten us in the playoffs.


Being scared shitless and not getting beat in the playoffs aren't mutually exclusive :lol

[Raven]

not only that, but he's already ahead of him in the all time list.

[DMC]

Being scared shitless and not getting beat in the playoffs aren't mutually exclusive :lol

Game recognize game. You're lower than the Suns. You have no right to discuss it.

[Killakobe81]

He hasn't beaten us in the playoffs.

Kobe has ...

[Killakobe81]

not only that, but he's already ahead of him in the all time list.

Lol

[baseline bum]

not only that, but he's already ahead of him in the all time list.

Even Klay is.

[spursistan]

man, i wish Kobe prime/peak was covered in analytical media era.. The legacy would be: "Kobe = healthy T-Mac who rode two Alpha Half-of-fame Bigs + elite role players+ PJ" :lol

[DAF86]

Durant's peak was also better than Kobe's, tbh.

[DMC]

Kobe has ...

Talk about the bunny rabbits.

[Raven]

man, i wish Kobe prime/peak was covered in analytical media era.. The legacy would be: "Kobe = healthy T-Mac who rode two Alpha Half-of-fame Bigs + elite role players+ PJ" :lol

It coming tbh..

[KaiRMD1]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12301624_1232545770092929_7862545083906646483_n.jp g?oh=99a3c281029940da69755c428e693b8e&oe=56F260AA

[Killakobe81]

Just Kobe? Steph post mvp snd finals run is probably the best since MJ. That includes Duncan, Shaq and LeBron too.

[Cry Havoc]

Just Kobe? Steph post mvp snd finals run is probably the best since MJ. That includes Duncan, Shaq and LeBron too.

Best offensive player without a doubt.

[Medvedenko]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.

[ambchang]

Just Kobe? Steph post mvp snd finals run is probably the best since MJ. That includes Duncan, Shaq and LeBron too.

And didn't get the finals MVP?

But I agree, why use Kobe as a standard? It's a pretty low bar to clear and can be read as an insult.

[lefty]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.

Kobe played defense?

Is that why Phil was always in his face?

[HemisfairArena]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.

Wake me up once kobrick wins without Phil,,,,this dude is doing it with Kerr and Luke Walton,,,,lmao

[spurraider21]

Kobe played defense?

Is that why Phil was always in his face?
KoPi made all-defensive teams (deserved about half of them)

[resistanze]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.

No he's not...Curry's averaging 7 minutes less a game and 7 field goal attempts less. And shooting 52% vs Kobe's 45% that season...and there's only a 3 ppg difference.

[lefty]

KoPi made all-defensive teams (deserved about half of them)

Lol who voted

[spurraider21]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.
i thought you quit this forum, faggot

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Has any long elite wing defender guarded curry yet?

[Kidd K]

During this regular season? I agree. Kobe has never had a season this good. Curry's confidence has skyrocketed with that ring. He hasn't coasted either. . .props to him for deciding to try hard to improve and do better despite the title.



He was pretty shitty in the finals. I'd say negatory

We're comparing him to Kobe, not MJ. Kobe tends to be shit in the Finals himself man.

[Koolaid_Man]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.

:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe played defense?

Is that why Phil was always in his face?

:lol


https://youtu.be/QBu28UwDzps

[Raven]

Wake me up once he plays d. Offensively he's still behind Kobe back in his 35.4 season. Nice player.

he's 7th in the league in defensive rating. On a side note, Kawhi is first and kirby is second to last.

[Raven]

on another side note, if you put the limit at more than 27 minutes per game, you get that 3/5 of the last 5 players per defensive rating are julius randle, d bust and kirby.

[DMC]

I get the angst but when Kobe was in his prime he was a fucking nightmare. He was called the assassin for a reason. I don't think Steph is at that level yet because he needs to sustain his performance and do it in the playoffs as well. We cannot take a decade of great play and whittle it down to a season or even a few games.

[Killakobe81]

And didn't get the finals MVP?

But I agree, why use Kobe as a standard? It's a pretty low bar to clear and can be read as an insult.

Who cares about media awards. This place is overly fascinated with awards. Curry played the Duncan in 2007 role. Parker was deserving based on output but The Cavs focused their defense on Timmy. Steph could have easily won same as Timmy but wgaf? In 2005 Manu had a case for Finals MVP as did Pau in 2010. The fact that voters chose to give the award last year to Iggy shouldnt matter ...in fact you are one the main whiners that Pau did not get it in 2010 ...but Curry not winning it somehow matters now? He was obviously the best player for the championship Dubs and the folks that overly harp on it seem to be trying to detract from how great Steph is playing.

As for Kobe you always have to take things to far. You go out of the way to throw shots but I have no issue with saying he has been better Offensively than Kobe/durant or LEbron out of the recent eras as MVP's. it's not an insult to Kobe/Lebron or Steph it's just great players being great and if Steph is doing it better than God bless him ...

But my post was saying steph is playing the best that I can recall for a guy coming off a MVP season. when you consider going back the past 5-10 years the MVP's have been Lebron,Rose, Durant, Rose only Lebron has put up a season that is equal to or better following a MVP.in fact rose and durant were hurt soon after. When you consider that only Lerbon and steph have won MVP (recently) and a title in the same year and as great and amazing Lebron has been dont know if he has ever started like THIS ... Don't see how you could argue anyone else. Plus if Steph wins back to back MVP's and happens to win win a title (no lock but looks promising) he would repeat which Duncan has not done and will have more MVP's than Kobe, Dirk, KG, Durant ...it would put him in very elite company and probably make the Op's point valid.

No issues here. Sure he is not a great defender but offensively Steph is in very rare company.

So what he didn't win a Finals MVP? The run last year but the start to this one ... trumps that.

[Killakobe81]

I get the angst but when Kobe was in his prime he was a fucking nightmare. He was called the assassin for a reason. I don't think Steph is at that level yet because he needs to sustain his performance and do it in the playoffs as well. We cannot take a decade of great play and whittle it down to a season or even a few games.

This makes sense and I appreciate your honesty here. we are at only the quarter mark of the season and Curry could come back to earth ...he has to right? But As I was saying above I just think this has been the most impressive defense of a title and MVP season (so far) that I can remember. Neither Shaq, KG, Dirk nor Kobe was this impressive the season after they won and Durant/Rose were hurt. Nash won back to back MVp's but most felt Lebron or Kobe deserved one or both of those. CUrry has followed up his MVP season by playing significantly better and really only LeBron comes to mind for me ...but still early.

[Killakobe81]

During this regular season? I agree. Kobe has never had a season this good. Curry's confidence has skyrocketed with that ring. He hasn't coasted either. . .props to him for deciding to try hard to improve and do better despite the title.




We're comparing him to Kobe, not MJ. Kobe tends to be shit in the Finals himself man.

This.

[DMC]

This makes sense and I appreciate your honesty here. we are at only the quarter mark of the season and Curry could come back to earth ...he has to right? But As I was saying above I just think this has been the most impressive defense of a title and MVP season (so far) that I can remember. Neither Shaq, KG, Dirk nor Kobe was this impressive the season after they won and Durant/Rose were hurt. Nash won back to back MVp's but most felt Lebron or Kobe deserved one or both of those. CUrry has followed up his MVP season by playing significantly better and really only LeBron comes to mind for me ...but still early.

Last year the Warriors started off 16-2 (by December 4th). Are those 2 games really that much more impressive? Not to me. They are playing at the same level they were last year, maybe a touch higher. Everyone gets excited to play offense, the Warriors offense is number 1 in the league. It's the defense that's dropped off though and that's going to have to improve to get back to where they were last season.

I realize they look unbeatable now, but in the grand scheme they are 4 games up on SA who hasn't been really firing on all cylinders just yet. SA has the best defense the league has seen since the Piston days, maybe earlier. Golden State needs to refocus on defense. I've seen them let big leads slip late because they relax. I think part of that has to do with Kerr not being on the sidelines.

All that aside, their 22 game run has been impressive, but at any time in the season the 22 game run is still a 22 game run. Spurs won 20 in a row with 10 of those coming in the playoffs and got backdoor swept because they ran into matchup problems against a team that got their shit pushed in by the Heat.

[Killakobe81]

Last year the Warriors started off 16-2 (by December 4th). Are those 2 games really that much more impressive? Not to me. They are playing at the same level they were last year, maybe a touch higher. Everyone gets excited to play offense, the Warriors offense is number 1 in the league. It's the defense that's dropped off though and that's going to have to improve to get back to where they were last season.

I realize they look unbeatable now, but in the grand scheme they are 4 games up on SA who hasn't been really firing on all cylinders just yet. SA has the best defense the league has seen since the Piston days, maybe earlier. Golden State needs to refocus on defense. I've seen them let big leads slip late because they relax. I think part of that has to do with Kerr not being on the sidelines.

All that aside, their 22 game run has been impressive, but at any time in the season the 22 game run is still a 22 game run. Spurs won 20 in a row with 10 of those coming in the playoffs and got backdoor swept because they ran into matchup problems against a team that got their shit pushed in by the Heat.

Agree with a lot of this. But something was gonna slip in a title defense. As you have noted their defense looks less consistent ... and their turnovers cannot be all excused by tempo or pace. IF they want to repeat they need to improve both areas but when they have locked in they have shut down the Clips who although they have issues has been a very good offense when healthy.

Look, you point out there is only 2 game difference between the starts but should be impressed how dominant they have started the season in back to back years. they key is can they maintain.

I was pissed at the 2001 Lakers because they came out slow after we won in 2000 especially at Shaq. But he saved his best for the playoffs, the team followed suits and all was forgiven. Warriors better be sure to save their best for when it matters but outside of that this shit is impressive.

[DMC]

Agree with a lot of this. But something was gonna slip in a title defense. As you have noted their defense looks less consistent ... and their turnovers cannot be all excused by tempo or pace. IF they want to repeat they need to improve both areas but when they have locked in they have shut down the Clips who although they have issues has been a very good offense when healthy.

Look, you point out there is only 2 game difference between the starts but should be impressed how dominant they have started the season in back to back years. they key is can they maintain.

I was pissed at the 2001 Lakers because they came out slow after we won in 2000 especially at Shaq. But he saved his best for the playoffs, the team followed suits and all was forgiven. Warriors better be sure to save their best for when it matters but outside of that this shit is impressive.

You look at a Jan Ullrich who's a climber vs a Robbie McEwen who's a sprinter and you wonder who will win a race. If the race was flat and 10 miles I'd take Robbie all day every day but add the mountains and Robbie drops back. Shaq, David and Tim were the climbers back in those days. They start off slow but they build their momentum and by the time the steep climbs come they have a rhythm. Teams that can get out ahead of the peleton before that time might have a chance to wear the yellow, but most likely some climber is going to pick it up in the next couple days. So it goes with basketball.

[ambchang]

Who cares about media awards. This place is overly fascinated with awards. Curry played the Duncan in 2007 role. Parker was deserving based on output but The Cavs focused their defense on Timmy. Steph could have easily won same as Timmy but wgaf? In 2005 Manu had a case for Finals MVP as did Pau in 2010. The fact that voters chose to give the award last year to Iggy shouldnt matter ...in fact you are one the main whiners that Pau did not get it in 2010 ...but Curry not winning it somehow matters now? He was obviously the best player for the championship Dubs and the folks that overly harp on it seem to be trying to detract from how great Steph is playing.

Sure Curry had a case, but if it was a historically great run, I would imagine he should have been the unquestioned best player on his own team. How can anyone on his own team have a case against him as the best player on the team if he was on a historic run?


As for Kobe you always have to take things to far. You go out of the way to throw shots but I have no issue with saying he has been better Offensively than Kobe/durant or LEbron out of the recent eras as MVP's. it's not an insult to Kobe/Lebron or Steph it's just great players being great and if Steph is doing it better than God bless him ...

Point is, many current MVPs were better than Kobe's peak, when you taking into account both offense and defense. Why use Kobe as the standard? It's not that impressive.

It's like saying I got this great car that is better than a souped up Honda Civic. It's true, but doesn't really convey a sense of dominance.


But my post was saying steph is playing the best that I can recall for a guy coming off a MVP season. when you consider going back the past 5-10 years the MVP's have been Lebron,Rose, Durant, Rose only Lebron has put up a season that is equal to or better following a MVP.in fact rose and durant were hurt soon after. When you consider that only Lerbon and steph have won MVP (recently) and a title in the same year and as great and amazing Lebron has been dont know if he has ever started like THIS ... Don't see how you could argue anyone else. Plus if Steph wins back to back MVP's and happens to win win a title (no lock but looks promising) he would repeat which Duncan has not done and will have more MVP's than Kobe, Dirk, KG, Durant ...it would put him in very elite company and probably make the Op's point valid.

No issues here. Sure he is not a great defender but offensively Steph is in very rare company.

So what he didn't win a Finals MVP? The run last year but the start to this one ... trumps that.

But it's not really a historical season though, was it?

[Killakobe81]

Sure Curry had a case, but if it was a historically great run, I would imagine he should have been the unquestioned best player on his own team. How can anyone on his own team have a case against him as the best player on the team if he was on a historic run?



Point is, many current MVPs were better than Kobe's peak, when you taking into account both offense and defense. Why use Kobe as the standard? It's not that impressive.

It's like saying I got this great car that is better than a souped up Honda Civic. It's true, but doesn't really convey a sense of dominance.



But it's not really a historical season though, was it?

yes it was. He led a team to a historical regular season and they win the title. So not winning the Finals MVP changes things? Media award or not winning the MVP requires two things: a great rergular season and media support. That awrd is judged over 82 games. the Finals MVP is based off as little as 4 or as many as 7. Although of course when you factor weight and meaning a Finals MVP is impressive ...but the regular season one is the better test of who is truly great which I know is crazy because you know I care about rings but hear me out ...

No offense to to Kiwi, Iggy Parker or Chauncey but there is a good chance that none of that group will EVER win a Regular season MVP. And there is a good chance that 2 of those 4 dont even get serious HOF consideration. I started watching hoops in the 80's. Off the top of my head Rose is the only MVP that is not a a lock for the HOF. Parker probably sneaks in and Kiwi is off to a good start but I doubt Billups or Iggy makes it.

By that alone it shows you winning a Regular season MVP although a bullshit award just like Finals MVP is much harder to achieve. Winning the MVP and then wining the title is what matters most not adding another media award Finals MVP is the icing on the cake.

:lmao Steph is the best player on the team Period. Iggy was given bonus points for defending LeBron and hitting some clutch shots. IF Bowen had scored a bit more by that logic he should have won the Finals MVP in 2007.But you know what I dont care that Iggy won. He was a team guy that came off the bench it was great story and the media loved it.

[DMC]

yes it was. He led a team to a historical regular season and they win the title. So not winning the Finals MVP changes things? Media award or not winning the MVP requires two things: a great rergualr season and media support. That is judged over 82 games. the Finals MVP is based off as little as 4 or as many as 7. Although of course when you factor weight and meaning a Finals MVP is impressive ...but teh regular season one is the better test of who is truly great which I know is crazy because you know I care about rings but hear me out ...

No offense to to Kiwi, Iggy Parker or Chauncey but there is a good chance that none of that group will EVER win a Regular season MVP. And there is a good chance that 2 of those 4 dont even get serious HOF consideration. I started watching hoops in teh 80's. Off the top of my head Rose is the only MVP that is not a a lock for the FOF. Parker probably sneaks in and Kiwi is off to a good start but I doubt Billups or Iggy makes it.

By that alone it shows you winning a Regular season MVP although a bullshit award just like Finals MVP is much harder to achieve. Winning the MVP and wining the title is what matters most not adding another media award.

:lmao Steph is the best player on the team Period. Iggy was given bonus points for defending LeBron and hitting some clutch shots. IF Bowen had scored a bit more by that logic he should have won the Finals MVP in 2007.But you know what I dont care that Iggy won. He was a team guy that came off the bench it was great story and the media loved it.

What is the FOF? Faggot of Fame?

[ambchang]

yes it was. He led a team to a historical regular season and they win the title. So not winning the Finals MVP changes things? Media award or not winning the MVP requires two things: a great rergular season and media support. That awrd is judged over 82 games. the Finals MVP is based off as little as 4 or as many as 7. Although of course when you factor weight and meaning a Finals MVP is impressive ...but the regular season one is the better test of who is truly great which I know is crazy because you know I care about rings but hear me out ...

I agree with you that the regular season shows who is the best player on a team. And that's why MVPau was the true leader of the lakers because he had better advanced stats than Kobe in the regular season for both championship seasons.


No offense to to Kiwi, Iggy Parker or Chauncey but there is a good chance that none of that group will EVER win a Regular season MVP. And there is a good chance that 2 of those 4 dont even get serious HOF consideration. I started watching hoops in the 80's. Off the top of my head Rose is the only MVP that is not a a lock for the HOF. Parker probably sneaks in and Kiwi is off to a good start but I doubt Billups or Iggy makes it.

Bill ups have a shot. Probably not first ballot but I think he eventually makes it like Dennis Johnson.


By that alone it shows you winning a Regular season MVP although a bullshit award just like Finals MVP is much harder to achieve. Winning the MVP and then wining the title is what matters most not adding another media award Finals MVP is the icing on the cake.

I think you got concepts mixed up. Regular season mvp is a better indicator of greatness than a finals MVP. You get no arguments from me on that. But if a player fails to win the finals MVP in the same year he won the MVP and the title, you have to question how this can reasonably be considered historical.


:lmao Steph is the best player on the team Period. Iggy was given bonus points for defending LeBron and hitting some clutch shots. IF Bowen had scored a bit more by that logic he should have won the Finals MVP in 2007.But you know what I dont care that Iggy won. He was a team guy that came off the bench it was great story and the media loved it.

No question curry was the best player, but he was challenged, even for a series, as the best player on a team and that can't be called historical.

It's either his team was stacked (which it was), he wasn't having a historical run, or both. I think it's both.

[JohnnyMax]

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