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SAGirl
11-04-2015, 11:23 PM
Trying to keep a temperate vibe among all the blaming.
This was a loss as a team. Many guys played badly for long stretches. It places things in perspective, why Pop has been going with a very tight rotation. These guys don't have good chemistry yet, and one guy being out of sync throws everyone else off.
The Spurs when they are clicking are like the beautiful machine. When they are not clicking, they look like this early season Spurs. Going through adversity early should make them pull together, but it is a process.

Positives:
(1) At least Danny found his 3 pt. stroke.
(2) Manu keeps looking fresh and playing well.
(3) I think the 4th wing ridiculous issue can be put to rest. In limited minutes both Rasual and Kyle can give you quality play. Rasual played really well and hit his shots. He was very active defensively as well. Kyle also played really well and in case nobody noticed the minutes he was in, Washington had a 3 guard backcourt, with Beal at the 3, then Neal at the 2 and Sessions at the 1. Kyle did a credible job on Beal for a few minutes, hit his shots. Both were positives in their respective lineups. Rasual just happened to play in a stretch when Patty and Danny played out of control and turned the ball over and had klutzy plays, but Rasual himself played very well. Its encouraging to see these two produce after so many Chicken Little-the sky is falling overreaction over the 4th wing. An observation: It seems against guys who can put the ball on the floor and drive besides just shoot, Pop prefers Kyle, against your traditional, less quick wings, Pop feels more comfortable with Rasual. Either way, they should be fine and are likely to be used situationally depending on match-ups or what Pop feels he needs.
Negatives:
(1) Too many guys played badly, turned the ball over or took poor shots. The most worrisome though is that the first unit's offense is not working out and putting guys in positions to succeed. Pop started the game with a post up for Timmy on the left block. That should have been called for Aldridge, with as much offense as he's supposed to be giving us its better to get him going early than Timmy, who gets a lot of shots out of motion or being set up by guys. I am not sure what Pop was trying to do here, maybe get Timmy some shots early since he didn't expect Timmy to get many later in the game? I don't know, but Aldridge needs to be fed the ball a little bit early.
(2) Kawhi and Aldridge both were getting doubled pretty badly and guys just stood around watching what was going on. There was insufficient cutting and off the ball movement to provide an outlet pass for both of them which resulted in TO for Aldridge and poor play by everyone else.
(3) Defense was very uneven. There were some good stretches, but a lot of bad.
(4) Don't want to single out anyone or any one thing in particular because overall, so many guys played poorly and made so many mistakes that they truly lost this one as a team. Hopefully they pull it together and Pop makes adjustments.

Weird peculiarity (Pop Experiment Mode):
To close out the third Q and start out the 4th, Pop went to a lineup that included Patty, Danny, Rasual, Boris and Manu. Patty handled the ball most of the time, Manu played off the ball a whole lot. This group played completely out of control outside of RAsual. They turned the ball over looking for outlet passes, and Patty did a very poor job orchestrating this offense. Pop is clearly looking for answers to give Manu a rest and turning more ballhandling and playmaking responsibilities to Patty. We can safely say, that so far, Patty is struggling in this role. Manu has possibly been playing so well because he's picking his spots more, but Patty's play is something to keep an eye on. This is a new role for him, and he can potentially improve. He got into the paint when he wanted to, but his court vision is not quite there. The busted hammer play with Kyle against the Celtics was nothing compared to the debacle Patty put forth in this game. At one point he threw the ball away looking for Manu in the corner, when Manu was already getting ready to run back in transition. Patty got bailed out because he drew a blocking foul. Still Patty was a little out of control.

There is nothing that can be done about this. The team is slowly decreasing Manu's burden. Pop also stated that Manu will rest more in B2B. He got away with playing the 17 minutes in the NY game, but that is not likely to be norm. The previous game was an early afternoon game, and its early in the season. Hopefully Patty improves.

YGWHI
11-04-2015, 11:40 PM
Thanks for this thread, I like to read something positive about the wings.

TrainOfThought5
11-04-2015, 11:44 PM
SAGirl, whats your opinion on a solution to the Rebounding and rim protection woes of the second unit?

steeledl
11-04-2015, 11:44 PM
This whole thread was created for the Kyle Anderson soliloquy. Hilarious and shameless..... all the other stuff was fluff.

Butler and eventually Simmons are going to get KA sent to the d-league.

Keepin' it real
11-04-2015, 11:45 PM
The Spurs MUST conserve Manu, meaning many, many DNP-CDs and many, many games with 15 minutes max for Manu.

The rest of the time, the Spurs must put Kyle at PG with the 2nd team and let Mills play shooting guard, where he can get a lot more open looks, which is his specialty as an instant offense spark plug.

Yes, there will be growing pains, but oh well, what is the alternative? Run Manu into the ground by March? That helps no one.

Give Kyle ample opportunities to run the 2nd team offense and free Patty so he can rain 3s all over the place like we know he can. Doing this will help the 2nd team offense get on track.

Pop does not have the luxury of doing his typical "benching" of Kyle every time he screws up ... suffering through Kyle's growing pains is a lesser evil than exhausting Manu prematurely to the point of injury and/or ineffectiveness.

Mugen
11-04-2015, 11:48 PM
"SAGirl, do you live in SoCal per chance?"

YGWHI
11-04-2015, 11:48 PM
This whole thread was created for the Kyle Anderson soliloquy. Hilarious and shameless.....

Still better than half of threads on ST.

steeledl
11-04-2015, 11:49 PM
Still better than half of threads on ST.

True, but 90% of the threads on here are created by 2 or 3 people that say the same thing in a slightly different way.

HarlemHeat37
11-04-2015, 11:50 PM
Thanks for the thoughts, girl..

steeledl
11-04-2015, 11:52 PM
Thanks for the thoughts, girl..

Uh oh, Adebisi in rape mode. Got that look in his eyes tbh.

HarlemHeat37
11-04-2015, 11:53 PM
Uh oh, Adebisi in rape mode. Got that look in his eyes tbh.

vmD3vfudlDU

spurs10
11-04-2015, 11:55 PM
Nice write-up. The return of Danny's 3 was nice, but I think this was one of his worst games. Turnovers and sloppy all round play. I agree with Patty having a rough time as a ball handler. I also think Butler and Kyle will be fine at as the 4th wing rotation. Thought Bobo did alright. :toast

spurs10
11-04-2015, 11:56 PM
"SAGirl, do you live in SoCal per chance?" :lol

ElNono
11-05-2015, 12:02 AM
thanks, pretty much agree throughout...

benefactor
11-05-2015, 12:06 AM
Good thoughts...thanks. Spurs will be fine. Just need time more than anything else.

Brian Windhorst
11-05-2015, 12:11 AM
To close out the third Q and start out the 4th, Pop went to a lineup that included Patty, Danny, Rasual, Boris and Manu. Patty handled the ball most of the time, Manu played off the ball a whole lot. This group played completely out of control outside of RAsual.

Yeah that was weird. It was a response to 'small ball' with Dudley at the 4. Don't mind Pop experimenting too much this early in the year, and I did like the way Rasual played.

But honestly, Boris Diaw played 15 minutes. Give him all of Rasual's minutes in that stretch and we probably run away with the game.

DarrinS
11-05-2015, 12:14 AM
Much better than the game grades. Thanks. :tu

daledondale
11-05-2015, 12:42 AM
Thanks!

SAGirl
11-05-2015, 12:43 AM
SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524), whats your opinion on a solution to the Rebounding and rim protection woes of the second unit?
I agree with what everyone has said. We probably have to stagger Timmy and Aldridge a whole lot. I think that probably throws the starting unit off bc Timmy is a good passer and the starting unit lacks passing. Pop has mixed up Aldridge with Boris for stretches and TD/West. These pairings have worked out well enough. There are times though when he insists in trying West at the 5 for small ball because truthfully he wants to limit Timmy's minutes, and these lineups have been poor and will get massacred on defense and in the boards. The hope by Pop is that they pack enough shooting to keep the score fairly even to give a breather to others. It hasn't been executed the right way because guys have played out of control. hate to say it, but West is almost to the point where you have to hide him on defense and that is why Pop plays him next to TD, who is our best rim protector.

Other than that, I hope they start to work Boban in for a few minutes, much like Kyle who is playing just 4 minutes here and there. Just enough minutes for Pop to see where they are, and give them a chance to develop and not enough to sink the team. If they screw up, you can always yank them like Pop has done with Kyle, but they also have a chance to give you surprisingly nice play. I would be fine with that TBH. The problem for Pop is that if he plays Boban in the West role, West will almost completely fall out of the rotation. It's a fine line.

TrainOfThought5
11-05-2015, 12:47 AM
I agree with what everyone has said. We probably have to stagger Timmy and Aldridge a whole lot. I think that probably throws the starting unit off bc Timmy is a good passer and the starting unit lacks passing. Pop has mixed up Aldridge with Boris for stretches and TD/West. These pairings have worked out well enough. There are times though when he insists in trying West at the 5 for small ball because truthfully he wants to limit Timmy's minutes, and these lineups have been poor and will get massacred on defense and in the boards. The hope by Pop is that they pack enough shooting to keep the score fairly even to give a breather to others. It hasn't been executed the right way because guys have played out of control. hate to say it, but West is almost to the point where you have to hide him on defense and that is why Pop plays him next to TD, who is our best rim protector.

Other than that, I hope they start to work Boban in for a few minutes, much like Kyle who is playing just 4 minutes here and there. Just enough minutes for Pop to see where they are, and give them a chance to develop and not enough to sink the team. If they screw up, you can always yank them like Pop has done with Kyle, but they also have a chance to give you surprisingly nice play. I would be fine with that TBH. The problem for Pop is that if he plays Boban in the West role, West will almost completely fall out of the rotation. It's a fine line.


Quality thoughts. Thnx for posting.

HarlemHeat37
11-05-2015, 01:00 AM
The 4th wing problem isn't really a talent issue IMO, it's a matter of figuring out the fit..both guys are good enough, individually, to be a 4th wing..

The question with Anderson is how to utilize his skill-set with Ginobili on the floor, which was also the problem with Cory Joseph, as well..unlike Cojo, though, Anderson isn't a defensive specialist, making the fit even more confusing..

Butler is easier to plug in, since he's just a spot-up shooter and occasional off-ball slasher, but he may be more of a small-ball PF, at this point, rather than a 3..he's probably a better fit than David West, actually, right now, but I doubt Pop will go that route..

ElNono
11-05-2015, 01:01 AM
^ perhaps small sample size, but I thought Manu-Anderson worked well against the Wiz.... obviously Kyle is still learning the ropes, and Butler I thought looked solid

HarlemHeat37
11-05-2015, 01:03 AM
^^I think it's definitely do-able, just a work in progress, though..the less Manu has to handle, the better, need to maintain his body..

ElNono
11-05-2015, 01:04 AM
^^I think it's definitely do-able, just a work in progress, though..the less Manu has to handle, the better, need to maintain his body..

whole team is, tbh

SAGirl
11-05-2015, 01:12 AM
Nice write-up. The return of Danny's 3 was nice, but I think this was one of his worst games. Turnovers and sloppy all round play. I agree with Patty having a rough time as a ball handler. I also think Butler and Kyle will be fine at as the 4th wing rotation. Thought Bobo did alright. :toast

Agree with you on Danny. I just didn't want to single anyone out because there is too much of that on the forums already. I did point Patty out because it was unusual to see him do so much ballhandling and Manu playing off the ball as much. Just something to keep an eye on as the season progresses. Patty wasn't good this game, but hopefully he can improve. I bet if Kyle was in that stretch instead of Danny, the ballhandling and court vision would have improved and maybe less TO, but on the other end Kyle is not near the level of defender Danny is at this point, and that unit was already defensively challenged having West out there. You just spotted out another Pop experiment mode: he was trying to see how Danny worked in this unit, if his defense compensated for everyone elses. He still doesn't trust Kyle though.