Best and Worst Spurs in Box +/- So Far

[T_L_P]

1. Manu Ginobili (+9.2)
2. Patty Mills (+4.4)
2. Tim Duncan (+3.5)

12. LaMarcus Aldridge (-0.7)
13. Tony Parker (-2.3)

Some interesting results.

[Brian Windhorst]

Manu will never not be at the top of this list tbh. This stat asks for whatever he does well.

[apalisoc_9]

Not surprised fat people are at the bottom of the list

[SASdynasty!]

News flash: our 2nd unit is better than most team's. Alert the presses.

[apalisoc_9]

News flash: our 2nd unit is better than most team's. Alert the presses.

Newsflash...Tony parker is yhe worst starting pg in the league

[Kawhitstorm]

1. Manu Ginobili (+9.2)

13. Tony Parker (-2.3)

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Not surprised fat people are at the bottom of the list


Newsflash...Tony parker is yhe worst starting pg in the leagueSo much vanilla.

[apalisoc_9]

Its painfully insulting to hear people talk about manu and td retirement when they are clearly the top two players out of the big 3

[100%duncan]

Not surprised fat people are at the bottom of the list

Aldridge hating is in now? :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Aldridge hating is in now? :rolleyesVanilla Aldridge hating is so edgy.

[SASdynasty!]

Also, why is Duncan co-#2?

[SASdynasty!]

Full list:

1. Manu (+9.2)
2. Mills (+4.4)
3. Duncan (+3.5)
4. Boban (+3.2)
5. Kawhi (+2.3)
6. Diaw (+2.1)
7. Butler (+1.7)
8. McCallum (+1.7)
9. Green (+0.4)
10. Anderson (+0.4)
11. West (-0.2)
12. Aldridge (-0.7)
13. Parker (-2.3)

Lol, +/-

[Brazil]

I have the feeling that suddenly for a certain krew +/- matter :lol

do OP have the +/- of last year playoffs by any chance tbh fwiw ?

[kaji157]

interesting, Parker is the worst and trailing 2 people that don´t know the system. Tony would do well in taking things a bit more seriously.

[ElNono]

Regardless if you wanna take +/- seriously due to sample size and what not, Manu has really been on a tear to start the season... as always, lets hope he stays healthy

[Kawhitstorm]

Considering how Dragic is playing & Brandon Knight getting the max, Porker contract in a vacuum isn't so bad.

[tholdren]

Regardless if you wanna take +/- seriously due to sample size and what not, Manu has really been on a tear to start the season... as always, lets hope he stays healthy
+/- shouldn't be taken seriously regardless of sample size. This is just the garbage I was melting down about. People using +/- to judge individual performance.

This should be in the forum and its logic thread.

[Mikeanaro]

+/- shouldn't be taken seriously regardless of sample size. This is just the garbage I was melting down about. People using +/- to judge individual performance.

This should be in the forum and its logic thread.
Why not, because Jimmer or Parker are negatives?
Manu has better career win shares than Duncan and Parker, do you think is a casualty too?

[ducks]

Manu would start on most teams
Playing against second string should result in better numbers

Spurs bench as a whole is better then other teams and usually go on runs

[ducks]

I mean is boban better then Aldridge
Come on now

[Mikeanaro]

Manu would start on most teams
Playing against second string should result in better numbers

Spurs bench as a whole is better then other teams and usually go on runs
So every time Manu plays is against second stringers?
Never against prime Kobe, Wades Lebrons? thats true I´ve never seen pictures of Manu with those guys on court.
Great basketball mind, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

+/- metrics(adjusted) are a nice tool to use to evaluate units and players(in conjunction with other stats, of course, not the eye test, though, that's stupid:lol), even NBA front offices use them, but the current sample size is waaaayyyyyyyy too small..

They will be interesting to look at in January and on..

[Diego20]

Manu would start on most teams
Playing against second string should result in better numbers

Spurs bench as a whole is better then other teams and usually go on runs

Awful takes as usual.

:lol

[Play Boban]

Full list:

1. Manu (+9.2)
2. Mills (+4.4)
3. Duncan (+3.5)
4. Boban (+3.2)
5. Kawhi (+2.3)
6. Diaw (+2.1)
7. Butler (+1.7)
8. McCallum (+1.7)
9. Green (+0.4)
10. Anderson (+0.4)
11. West (-0.2)
12. Aldridge (-0.7)
13. Parker (-2.3)

Lol, +/-
Get your head out of your ass, Pop. The stats don't lie. Play Boban!

[AFMadison]

Its painfully insulting to hear people talk about manu and td retirement when they are clearly the top two players out of the big 3
I didn't realize you thought so highly of Tony, considering him as part of a big three on a team excluding the likes of a LMA and Kawhi. Hats off to you man. That's ballsy. I knew that you had a little Parker inside you. (No homo)

[midnightpulp]

Are these adjusted or raw?

Not worried about LMA. He was 3rd or 4th in RPM among PFs last season. Parker, though, is always a worry.

[T_L_P]

Why not, because Jimmer or Parker are negatives?
Manu has better career win shares than Duncan and Parker, do you think is a casualty too?

He does?

[SASdynasty!]

Get your head out of your ass, Pop. The stats don't lie. Play Boban!
Haha for real. And yet there are still people in this forum who can't understand why the 2nd string guys have a higher +/- than the starters. Lol.

[SpursforSix]

interesting, Parker is the worst and trailing 2 people that don´t know the system. Tony would do well in taking things a bit more seriously.

doesn't matter how he takes it. He's like that tubby kid in grade school that tries to play sports and is overly serious about it all.
He's the one that wears the football pants and team jersey to the pick up games. He's the one that wants to run plays in the basketball game. Also calls charges and 3 seconds.
As serious as tubby is, he still sucks. Just doesn't have the physical tools.

[SPURt]

You know you have a spoiled fan base when they're complaining about the worst +/- player on the team being -2.3. We're winning and the players struggling the most are the ones trying to fit into a new role, that includes Tony.

[Mikeanaro]

He does?
No, only better than Parker (.147) by a good margin as I´ve been researching but really close to Tim (.211).


Ginobili’s career average of .209 win shares per 48 minutes ranks 13th all time among players with at least 50 win shares. Of the 12 players above him on that list, nine are in the Hall of Fame and the three remaining players — Chris Paul (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html), LeBron James (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html), and Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html) — are virtual locks to join them.
Ginobili is one of just 20 players with at least 90 career win shares and an average of at least .200 win shares per 48 minutes. Among the 18 other players on that list, 13 are Hall of Famers, one is retired and will be (Shaquille O’Neal (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html)), and the remaining players — Paul, James, Duncan, and Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html) — are active but will surely be elected in their first year of eligibility.

[SASdynasty!]

doesn't matter how he takes it. He's like that tubby kid in grade school that tries to play sports and is overly serious about it all.
He's the one that wears the football pants and team jersey to the pick up games. He's the one that wants to run plays in the basketball game. Also calls charges and 3 seconds.
As serious as tubby is, he still sucks. Just doesn't have the physical tools.
If he's the "fat kid," he just happens to be the one who leads the team in scoring almost every season, leads the team in assists every single season of his entire career, is the only All-Star and All-NBA player on the championship team, and has a FMVP, as well as having the hottest girls and making the most money.

[SpursforSix]

If he's the "fat kid," he just happens to be the one who leads the team in scoring almost every season, leads the team in assists every single season of his entire career, is the only All-Star and All-NBA player on the championship team, and has a FMVP, as well as having the hottest girls and making the most money.

this year he's the fat kid

[Mr Bones]

Manu is really incredible, and always does well with this stat...

We're lucky he stayed with the Spurs for his whole career... He easily could've left to be another team's #1 option and have much gaudier numbers.

[Mr Bones]

Aldridge hating is in now? :rolleyes


It was inevitable...

[Mr Bones]

Everybody's cherry picking at this stat now to support their krew arguments.

[K...]

doesn't matter how he takes it. He's like that tubby kid in grade school that tries to play sports and is overly serious about it all.
He's the one that wears the football pants and team jersey to the pick up games. He's the one that wants to run plays in the basketball game. Also calls charges and 3 seconds.
As serious as tubby is, he still sucks. Just doesn't have the physical tools.

Uh except he was formerly a top 5pg and had held the spot of starting pg for over ten years? Yeah just like that.every school kids has four rings.

[SpursforSix]

Uh except he was formerly a top 5pg and had held the spot of starting pg for over ten years? Yeah just like that.every school kids has four rings.

ok...so he's like the old man that doesn't know when to leave as all of the retards continue to throw rose petals at his feet and remind him of what he used to be

[SpursforSix]

and it seems like some of ya'll might have been the fat kid

sorry

[SASdynasty!]

ok...so he's like the old man that doesn't know when to leave as all of the retards continue to throw rose petals at his feet and remind him of what he used to be
...while still leading the team in assists and will still be a top-3 scorer on the team, while shooting really well from the field. He may not set the NBA record again this season for best 3P% of all time through 15 games like he did last year, but he is perfect so far!

[SpursforSix]

...while still leading the team in assists and will still be a top-3 scorer on the team, while shooting really well from the field. He may not set the NBA record again this season for best 3P% of all time through 15 games like he did last year, but he is perfect so far!

a PG on this team should be averaging double digit assists

[SASdynasty!]

a PG on this team should be averaging double digit assists
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha do you even watch Spurs basketball? Lol. The best passing team in decades, where all the players spread the assist numbers (hockey-assists) and also play severely limited minutes should have a guy averaging over 10 assists per game? Hahaha that's like 13-14 assists per 36 minutes for the minutes that Parker gets! Please tell me you're joking.

[SpursforSix]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha do you even watch Spurs basketball? Lol. The best passing team in decades, where all the players spread the assist numbers (hockey-assists) and also play severely limited minutes should have a guy averaging over 10 assists per game? Hahaha that's like 13-14 assists per 36 minutes for the minutes that Parker gets! Please tell me you're joking.

You've got me. I agree with you. MORE PARKER!!!!!!

[FkLA]

13. Tony Parker (-2.3)


:lmao

So he's basically the worst guy on the team? Because the 14th and 15th men don't dress for games if IIRC.

[SASdynasty!]

:lmao

So he's basically the worst guy on the team? Because the 14th and 15th men don't dress for games if IIRC.
Yes, +/- is always a great indicator of the best players on the team. Boban is the 4th best player on the team. Has nothing to do with what string they play, lol. Come on, I expect more from you.

[FkLA]

Yes, +/- is always a great indicator of the best players on the team. Boban is the 4th best player on the team. Has nothing to do with what string they play, lol. Come on, I expect more from you.

How come the rest of the first string isn't as bad? Even LMA's +/- is 1.5 less even though he's still trying to adjust.

[TheMulletMan3000]

You know you have a spoiled fan base when they're complaining about the worst +/- player on the team being -2.3. We're winning and the players struggling the most are the ones trying to fit into a new role, that includes Tony.

100% agree. Also, when Danny is shooting brick after brick and Parker is not a good 3-pt shooter, there is nobody to space the floor. DIfferent with Diaw, Mills and Manu.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yes, +/- is always a great indicator of the best players on the team. Boban is the 4th best player on the team. Has nothing to do with what string they play, lol. Come on, I expect more from you.

Check out his value-over replacement:lmao

[FkLA]

Check out his value-over replacement:lmao

:lol

Can't wait till ESPN has enough data to post the 2015-2016 DRPM/ORPM. I wonder what the fanboys' excuse will be then.

[RD2191]

:lol

Can't wait till ESPN has enough data to post the 2015-2016 DRPM/ORPM. I wonder what the fanboys' excuse will be then.

Parker fans are delusional. They can spin anything bad about Parker into a positive. Parker scores 4 points with 2 dimes and 3 turnovers and Parker fans will scream "but he shot 50% from the field!".

[Kawhitstorm]

Porker w/ the worst +/- amongst starters yet again.