Has another fan base ever been so adamant about lineup changes after a 5-2 start?

[SASdynasty!]

And we were like 2 plays away from being 7-0. I think our lineup is working just fine. Pop knows what he's doing. Team's don't win championships every season. It doesn't mean you have to make all these crazy changes. We were one play away from going who knows how far in the playoffs last season. Pop isn't some skitzophrenic who overreacts every time a player hits a few shots or has a good playoff series. And vice versa. Thankfully.

[spursistan]

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[spursistan]

One word: SPOILED..

[lilbthebasedgod]

Yes. Fanbases are like that.

[Sean Cagney]

One word: SPOILED..
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[apalisoc_9]

Start patty

[MultiTroll]

goal is Championship.
Championship chances squandered makes a good part of the village angry, disappointed.

[dabom]

Start patty

[dabom]

Patty is money in the playoffs. Might as well get him ready for the rotations in the playoffs.

[Spurtacular]

And we were like 2 plays away from being 7-0. I think our lineup is working just fine. Pop knows what he's doing. Team's don't win championships every season. It doesn't mean you have to make all these crazy changes. We were one play away from going who knows how far in the playoffs last season. Pop isn't some skitzophrenic who overreacts every time a player hits a few shots or has a good playoff series. And vice versa. Thankfully.

Did you have any expectation that this group would be less than 5-2? Being good does not erase the validity of scrutiny.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rasual has shown the ability to play unselfish, start him at the 3

[Lostwingman]

goal is Championship.
Championship chances squandered makes a good part of the village angry, disappointed.

Say it with me folks, "it's only one game". That is until we drop 4 spots in the rankings after one loss and get a shit matchup out of it. Oh then it's, "that New York game killed us!" and "fucking coasting against the Pelicans!!!".

[SAGirl]

It's perfectly fine to speculate about how the guys are playing and areas where they have not been sharp. We are 5-2 but have played some pretty weak teams, and could have been 7-0 with better execution. It doesn't matter though, bc it is a process, and the team learns from those defeats and hopefully makes adjustments. One thing that is noticeable is we are not necessarily struggling to score. What has doomed us is all the mistakes, the unforced TO, the moving screens, double dribbles or travels from Danny, bad passes etc.

Personally, I like LMA game so I am kind of disappointed that he has started out of rhythm and most times the SL doesn't even look for him to score, but that is a personal preference. I'd like to see LMA more involved TBH.

[ElNono]

Nothing wrong with basketball discussion between games, tbh...

[Chinook]

Nothing wrong with basketball discussion between games, tbh...

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.

[Mikeanaro]

Dumb homerish thread.

[NASpurs]

Dumb homerish thread.

Considering who the OP is, this thread is on par for him.

[ceperez]

Fans are disappointed not really because of the loses but the play against non-playoff teams. Spurs seem to have a pretty light schedule and certain highly paid players have been not showing their worth.

[AFMadison]

Patty is money in the playoffs. Might as well get him ready for the rotations in the playoffs.
I like Patty, but he's never won a FMVP

[8FOR!3]

I think the bench needs Patty's spark-plug scoring. I just don't see Parker fitting as well in the second unit. Just like I don't see Patty doing great in the first unit. I think Parker's doing a decent job with more of a distributing role and his shots are a little more calculated. He fits in seamlessly with the starters imo. I don't see what we're doing wrong with him. Limit his role and he's a solid player.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

"Has another fan base ever been so adamant about lineup changes after a 5-2 start?"



Luckily, the Spurs 'fan base' is not represented by what you see in this forum. Most folks are smart enough to know that it takes a while for a team with new pieces to come together.

[dabom]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.

[K...]

A few of today's threads jumped the shark.

but the issue wasn't blind homerism, it's unrealistic expectations filtered through the agenda bs. Some people refuse to back off their emotional high horse to actually watch and think about games. Luckily there's been some good bb talk recently.

[daledondale]

Dumb homerish thread.
This. Also:
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[ChumpDumper]

It's just some SpursTalk posters, not the actual fanbase.

[GSH]

It's because everyone knows that Popovich doesn't know what he's doing. Ask any other coach in the league.

[dabom]

People actually think Pop makes no mistakes? Fucking clowns.

[timtonymanu]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.

:tu

[GSH]

People actually think Pop makes no mistakes? Fucking clowns.

No, you're right. The fucking clowns were probably his biggest mistake ever.

https://cakeheadlovesevil.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/clown_porn.jpg

[spurraider21]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.
^That's just spoiled talking.





:lol

[ElNono]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.

Plus it's not like anything we say here really changes anything. It's about entertainment and that's about it.

[Chinook]

Plus it's not like anything we say here really changes anything. It's about entertainment and that's about it.

Exactly. And that's why I also detest the "Let's wait and see" retort, like it matters if we give a player or lineup "a chance." I can just imagine Pop saying to reporters, "You know, I really wanted to keep Jimmer for a few months to see what we had, but the fans had already given up on him."

[gospursgojas]

Start Boban

[ElNono]

Exactly. And that's why I also detest the "Let's wait and see" retort, like it matters if we give a player or lineup "a chance." I can just imagine Pop saying to reporters, "You know, I really wanted to keep Jimmer for a few months to see what we had, but the fans had already given up on him."

Well, I think not having a set opinion on something this early in the season is valid. I can't buy that Danny won't get better, or that our starting lineup offense won't improve. I think "let's wait and see" is a sensible position to have at this time in some areas. At the end of the day every opinion is valid (even if it sucks or ends up being shit), since, as we said, nothing we say here has any bearing on what the team does.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly. And that's why I also detest the "Let's wait and see" retort, like it matters if we give a player or lineup "a chance." I can just imagine Pop saying to reporters, "You know, I really wanted to keep Jimmer for a few months to see what we had, but the fans had already given up on him."But what if you genuinely want to wait and see and not change the starting lineup?

[Chinook]

Well, I think not having a set opinion on something this early in the season is valid. I can't buy that Danny won't get better, or that our starting lineup offense won't improve. I think "let's wait and see" is a sensible position to have at this time in some areas. At the end of the day every opinion is valid (even if it sucks or ends up being shit), since, as we said, nothing we say here has any bearing on what the team does.


But what if you genuinely want to wait and see and not change the starting lineup?

The point I was trying to make is that we all HAVE to "wait and see". What we think has almost no bearing on what actually happens, so there's no virtue in patience and no folly in rashness. I'm sympathetic to the idea that a person would like to have more info before giving an opinion, but I have less sympathy for someone that they're view is somehow better than everyone else's because they're more patient, or "trust PATFO" more.

[SASdynasty!]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.
All I'm saying here is the sheer volume of talk about lineup changes (specifically this season) seems out of proportion to how good the Spurs are playing. Specifically, this is referring to how our starters are keeping the games close (or getting a lead) and then our bench is blowing the game open because of how much better they are than the other team's bench. Obviously we see the krew wanting Parker traded/benched/injured/etc, but now we're starting to get people wanting Duncan on the second unit, Boban starting, Manu starting, Green sent to the second unit for a few bad games, Aldridge traded because he isn't putting up 25/10 in this system (as though that's even possible with how Pop restricts minutes), etc.

So yah, it's fair to say "hey, quit trying to get us to shut up about changing up the roster," but it's just as fair for me to say, "wow, for starting the season off well, we sure have a lot of people who want to change things up." I just can't imagine how bad it would have been around here if we started like 4-5 or something. Probably the people that would have cut Pop in '99 when we started off bad, I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm grateful for the steady hand of our GM and coach, whose careers' success are based on seeing things long-term.

[ChumpDumper]

The point I was trying to make is that we all HAVE to "wait and see". What we think has almost no bearing on what actually happens, so there's no virtue in patience and no folly in rashness. I'm sympathetic to the idea that a person would like to have more info before giving an opinion, but I have less sympathy for someone that they're view is somehow better than everyone else's because they're more patient, or "trust PATFO" more.There is no virtue or folly in anything we do so your judgment of people who have the unmitigated gall to agree with what the Spurs do is kind of hypocritical.

And every person here thinks his opinion is better than anyone else's whether they agree with the Spurs or not; I don't get why that would move you one way or the other. Would an opinion to waive Leonard hold more weight with you than someone who countered with "I like what the Spurs are doing with Kawhi" just because the former is not what the Spurs are doing?

[Cry Havoc]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.

Right, but I think there's just a bit of difference between, "let's discuss the lineups" and the kind of systematic meltdown that happens regularly on SpursTalk... sometimes when we're up by double digits on the team we're playing.

[Chinook]

There is no virtue or folly in anything we do so your judgment of people who have the unmitigated gall to agree with what the Spurs do is kind of hypocritical.

And every person here thinks his opinion is better than anyone else's whether they agree with the Spurs or not; I don't get why that would move you one way or the other. Would an opinion to waive Leonard hold more weight with you than someone who countered with "I like what the Spurs are doing with Kawhi" just because the former is not what the Spurs are doing?

There's a difference between, "I don't have an opinion either way," and "You guys are wrong for having an opinion, because I don't have one either way." Everyone is entitled to their opinions, so they can not have one and get no objection with me. But I will critique people critiquing other people for having opinions, because those criticisms do not add to the discussion. Trying to prevent those posts DOES attempt to add to the discussion. It's a matter of reference.

We can't control what PATFO does, so it's implied by everyone that we'll wait and see what happens. However, we DO determine that type of discussion we have on this board, so it's not hypocritical to argue that we should decrease the number of times we have to acknowledge that we have no control over the Spurs' personnel moves.

[Chinook]

Right, but I think there's just a bit of difference between, "let's discuss the lineups" and the kind of systematic meltdown that happens regularly on SpursTalk... sometimes when we're up by double digits on the team we're playing.

Yes. I think anyone reasonable can agree that there's a lot of lame discussion on this board. Sometimes meltdowns, sometimes crew talk, sometimes spam. That can get really annoying in a hurry. But we have every right to act like any other fan base when it comes to discussing changes or critiquing performances or trash-talking other teams. We don't need defer judgment, keep perspective or stay humble. It's a balance between keeping trolling down and keeping shilling down.

[ChumpDumper]

There's a difference between, "I don't have an opinion either way," and "You guys are wrong for having an opinion, because I don't have one either way." Everyone is entitled to their opinions, so they can not have one and get no objection with me. But I will critique people critiquing other people for having opinions, because those criticisms do not add to the discussion. Trying to prevent those posts DOES attempt to add to the discussion. It's a matter of reference.

We can't control what PATFO does, so it's implied by everyone that we'll wait and see what happens. However, we DO determine that type of discussion we have on this board, so it's not hypocritical to argue that we should decrease the number of times we have to acknowledge that we have no control over the Spurs' personnel moves.There are a lot more things we should decrease on the board before simply stating something like that.

[Cry Havoc]

Yes. I think anyone reasonable can agree that there's a lot of lame discussion on this board. Sometimes meltdowns, sometimes crew talk, sometimes spam. That can get really annoying in a hurry. But we have every right to act like any other fan base when it comes to discussing changes or critiquing performances or trash-talking other teams. We don't need defer judgment, keep perspective or stay humble. It's a balance between keeping trolling down and keeping shilling down.

Agreed. I don't even mind the meltdowns. But when you combine it with the spam from a certain group of posters, suddenly shit-tier posts constitutes a huge fraction of the website, especially on a game day.

[JeffDuncan]

No, there is no other fan base like Spurs Talk.

It's special.

[Chinook]

All I'm saying here is the sheer volume of talk about lineup changes (specifically this season) seems out of proportion to how good the Spurs are playing. Specifically, this is referring to how our starters are keeping the games close (or getting a lead) and then our bench is blowing the game open because of how much better they are than the other team's bench. Obviously we see the krew wanting Parker traded/benched/injured/etc, but now we're starting to get people wanting Duncan on the second unit, Boban starting, Manu starting, Green sent to the second unit for a few bad games, Aldridge traded because he isn't putting up 25/10 in this system (as though that's even possible with how Pop restricts minutes), etc.

So yah, it's fair to say "hey, quit trying to get us to shut up about changing up the roster," but it's just as fair for me to say, "wow, for starting the season off well, we sure have a lot of people who want to change things up." I just can't imagine how bad it would have been around here if we started like 4-5 or something. Probably the people that would have cut Pop in '99 when we started off bad, I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm grateful for the steady hand of our GM and coach, whose careers' success are based on seeing things long-term.

And all that's fine. There's nothing wrong with keeping the faith and not wanting to change the status quo. I don't think the Spurs should, either. They need the team to figure out how to play together, as this is the highest-upside first-unit possible. However, Pop has made changes in the midst of his teams' successes. Green, Leonard and Splitter each became mid-season starters, and the Spurs were a very good team on each of those occasions. And Pop has made temporary changes like Beli for Green or Diaw for Splitter. Pop likes to tinker to see what works. It might help to send Danny to the bench for a few games to see if he can get his rhythm back with the second unit. And it might help Anderson gain confidence if he starts. Leonard would get some games at the two to work on post play-making (as he'd have a mismatch every time down the floor). There's a lot of good that can come out of changing things up that doesn't demand the Spurs give up on their preferred starting unit long-term.

[Chinook]

There are a lot more things we should decrease on the board before simply stating something like that.

Agreed. I'll let everyone else critique the spamming and trolling. I'll critique the shilling. Sounds like an appropriate allocation of resources.

[Chinook]

Agreed. I don't even mind the meltdowns. But when you combine it with the spam from a certain group of posters, suddenly shit-tier posts constitutes a huge fraction of the website, especially on a game day.

And that's for the mods to clean up (lol). No one really cleans up shilling, though, unless it becomes aggressive or spammy. Posters pretty much have to police themselves.

[dabom]

Chump getting owned per par. Might change his attention to me after such rapage.

[ElNono]

The record is nice but shouldn't preempt any discussion, tbh... After all, the Spurs has had so far the 3rd easiest SOS in the league.

That said, it's perfectly fine to have an opinion or none at all this early in the season on any subject, including lineup changes.

[LittleCriminal]

Seriously. This, "Spurs fans are so spolied," of "Who are you to question PATFO" line or reasoning is always grating to me. Like we're supposed to just watch the games and nod just because of the Spurs' success. They want a boring fan existence, which is their right. But it adds nothing to the conversation to constantly bring that up.

sheep....
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[ChumpDumper]

And that's for the mods to clean up (lol). No one really cleans up shilling, though, unless it becomes aggressive or spammy. Posters pretty much have to police themselves.Wait, you see agreeing with the FO as being as big a problem as trolling and spam here?

[HarlemHeat37]

The spam posting is a valid complaint, but as for the rest, you guys really haven't been on any other NBA forums, have you?:lol..meltdowns, overreactions, irrational/emotional analysis and reactions, etc are the most common traits of the average sports fan, especially on forums..just because the team you cheer for has had a lot of success, it doesn't make you any different than other sports fans, tbh..

Go to LakerGround, ClutchFans, the RealGM forums of the Bulls/Knicks/Celtics/Raptors/Bucks/Wizards or any other active board and you'll find the same thing, with the only difference being more moderation..meltdowns, asking for trades, "x player sucks", the refs are killing us, the media hates our team, etc..sports fans are all the same..

It's also ironic that we're having this discussion, see: the poster that created this thread and his motives:lol

[dabom]

Lineup changes or reduction of minutes was a point last season and nothing new.

[Chinook]

Wait, you see agreeing with the FO as being as big a problem as trolling and spam here?

As far as what affects me personally?

1) Player-fanning that gets taken too far (meaning losing all ability to have a rational discussion because you're so dedicated to a player)
2) Shilling (meaning aggressively putting down people who disagree with PATFO or critique players)
3) Spamming
4) People saying stupid things without actually having an agenda (like Avante or Hemisphere)
5) Trolling

[dabom]

And it is a key point this year. I thought last year was already a "wait and see" approach for Tony. Now it's time to do something about it.

[100%duncan]

Nothing wrong with basketball discussion between games, tbh...

[Cry Havoc]

The spam posting is a valid complaint, but as for the rest, you guys really haven't been on any other NBA forums, have you?:lol..meltdowns, overreactions, irrational/emotional analysis and reactions, etc are the most common traits of the average sports fan, especially on forums..just because the team you cheer for has had a lot of success, it doesn't make you any different than other sports fans, tbh..

Go to LakerGround, ClutchFans, the RealGM forums of the Bulls/Knicks/Celtics/Raptors/Bucks/Wizards or any other active board and you'll find the same thing, with the only difference being more moderation..meltdowns, asking for trades, "x player sucks", the refs are killing us, the media hates our team, etc..sports fans are all the same..

It's also ironic that we're having this discussion, see: the poster that created this thread and his motives:lol

While most of that's true...

I doubt you'd find any fanbase that wanted to trade a coach like Popovich. Yet we have, or at least had prior to 5, a not-insignificant number of people who wanted him gone.

[dabom]

Pop is the best in the business. Just globally fucks up sometimes.

[Beaverfuzz]

Take out Aldridge and start Boban.


:bobo

[DarrinS]

Nothing wrong with debating the merits of "what if they tried this lineup", tbh. With new players, it's natural to wonder which combination of players might have the most success. Since we have no influence, it's really just a mental exercise.

[YGWHI]

Personally, I like LMA game so I am kind of disappointed that he has started out of rhythm and most times the SL doesn't even look for him to score, but that is a personal preference. I'd like to see LMA more involved TBH.
It's beginning to change...He had the highest FGA per minute of the team in the last two games. 22 FGA/43 minutes.

[dweaver99027]

Assuming Spurstalk represents the true Spurs fanbase is a fallacy. The truth is that Spurstalk's 'unique' style compared to other popular team fora has alienated the true team fans, leaving only the 'personas' to post.

[Kawhitstorm]

Yes, Real Madrid fans.