How many dudes would you rather build around instead of LeBron?

[Othyus Lalanne]

Drafted in the last 15 years. You know LeBron will have his passive aggressive bitchiness and demand your team to bend over like Cleveland did last year. How big of a negative is LeBron's Bronntatorship project for a bball team?

[Cry Havoc]

What an old, vanilla take.

LeBron's best teammate in his first stint with the Cavs was Mo Freakin' Williams. The Cavs never gave him a team worthy of even being called an NBA squad, let alone a decent group of players.

I'd build around maybe 2-3 players in history before taking LeBron. Jordan, Kareem, and maybe Tim Duncan. That's about it.

[Killakobe81]

Cry is probably right but it's funny how so much lingo gets recycled ...
no offense at you Cry ...

"vanilla takes"
"antiquated"
"monkey ball"
"chucker"
"mental midget"
"volume shooter"

Much credit to anyone that posts something original ... because best believe it will be copied on here.

As for the topic the goal is to win rings. And I know he has had some shitty teams (along with some really good ones) but if the goal is ring tough to take him over Tim/Magic until he proves he can win more than two.

[Cry Havoc]

Cry is probably right but it's funny how so much lingo gets recycled ...
no offense at you Cry ...

"vanilla takes"
"antiquated"
"monkey ball"
"chucker"
"mental midget"
"volume shooter"

Much credit to anyone that posts something original ... because best believe it will be copied on here.

As for the topic the goal is to win rings. And I know he has had some shitty teams (along with some really good ones) but if the goal is ring tough to take him over Tim/Magic until he proves he can win more than two.

I almost felt dirty saying vanilla. Wanted to give it a shot. Assumed this was a troll thread anyway considered the vernacular that OP used, so it was a minimal effort on my part. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

i take a big over him

guys like lebron u can always sign defensive perimeter players to contain him...

lebron is a streaky shooter and bullys his way to the room, all of which can be stop if u have the correct personel

Youngest player to 25,000 points. But yeah, he's so easy to contain. :lmao

[Othyus Lalanne]

I almost felt dirty saying vanilla. Wanted to give it a shot. Assumed this was a troll thread anyway considered the vernacular that OP used, so it was a minimal effort on my part. :lol

You don't think LeBron's ego could be a unique problem for a team that would make someone pick a somewhat lesser skilled player?

[Cry Havoc]

You don't think LeBron's ego could be a unique problem for a team that would make someone pick a somewhat lesser skilled player?

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there are any megastars in the NBA that don't have an ego. Hell, even Duncan has an ego, but he checks it at the door. He's about as rare as it gets, though. You are aware that he almost left the Spurs for Orlando, right?

Jordan - Huge fucking ego
Jabaar - Huge fucking ego
Wilt - Ego the size of the planet
Hakeem - Huge fucking ego
Bird - Huge fucking ego

I mean, what is this notion you have that superstars in the NBA are humble Harry's with no desire to get paid any way they can?

[Othyus Lalanne]

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there are any megastars in the NBA that don't have an ego. Hell, even Duncan has an ego, but he checks it at the door. He's about as rare as it gets, though. You are aware that he almost left the Spurs for Orlando, right?

Jordan - Huge fucking ego
Jabaar - Huge fucking ego
Wilt - Ego the size of the planet
Hakeem - Huge fucking ego
Bird - Huge fucking ego

I mean, what is this notion you have that superstars in the NBA are humble Harry's with no desire to get paid any way they can?

You don't think the way Bronn's ego manifests itself is bad for a team?

[Cry Havoc]

You don't think the way Bronn's ego manifests itself is bad for a team?

Avoiding my question by asking another. Do you actually want to talk about this or just push your agenda?

[JoeTait75]

It's worthwhile to take a look at the historical record of the Cavaliers franchise with and without LeBron:

In 37 years without LeBron the Cavaliers have 13 winning seasons, one division title, two trips to the ECF and no trips to the Finals

In 8 years with LeBron the Cavaliers have 7 winning seasons, three division titles, three trips to the ECF and two trips to the Finals.

With LeBron the Cavaliers have been a consistent winner and a contender. Without him they're one of the worst franchises not only in the NBA but in all of professional sports. In terms of his impact on the Cavaliers, LeBron is the dictionary definition of a franchise player. The list of players who have had an equivalent impact on a franchise is pretty short.

[Othyus Lalanne]

It's worthwhile to take a look at the historical record of the Cavaliers franchise with and without LeBron:

In 37 years without LeBron the Cavaliers have 13 winning seasons, one division title, two trips to the ECF and no trips to the Finals

In 8 years with LeBron the Cavaliers have 7 winning seasons, three division titles, three trips to the ECF and two trips to the Finals.

With LeBron the Cavaliers have been a consistent winner and a contender. Without him they're one of the worst franchises not only in the NBA but in all of professional sports. In terms of his impact on the Cavaliers, LeBron is the dictionary definition of a franchise player. The list of players who have had an equivalent impact on a franchise is pretty short.
there are franchise players and franchise players. Some of them are better for long term success than others.


Avoiding my question by asking another. Do you actually want to talk about this or just push your agenda?

I set my parameters and was curious how many people see his attitudes a negative to the point of building around someone else. You saw how much ugliness can he create last year. He promoted himself to Point guard without speaking to the coach, almost buried Blatt in the press in a passive aggressive way, they settled for a very stagnant offense etc... These are very unusual steps for a homecoming ''hero''. He expects the franchise to become his hoe.

[Cry Havoc]

I set my parameters and was curious how many people see his attitudes a negative to the point of building around someone else.

Actually, your initial parameter was:


You don't think LeBron's ego could be a unique problem for a team that would make someone pick a somewhat lesser skilled player?

And when I pointed out how common that was, you shifted the vernacular to:


You don't think the way Bronn's ego manifests itself is bad for a team?

While dodging the question. It's a pretty obvious cop out of a complete non-issue. LeBron's got an ego but it is not at all unique in the grand scheme of players, especially when you get into the greatest of all-time.

[Cry Havoc]

It's worthwhile to take a look at the historical record of the Cavaliers franchise with and without LeBron:

In 37 years without LeBron the Cavaliers have 13 winning seasons, one division title, two trips to the ECF and no trips to the Finals

In 8 years with LeBron the Cavaliers have 7 winning seasons, three division titles, three trips to the ECF and two trips to the Finals.

With LeBron the Cavaliers have been a consistent winner and a contender. Without him they're one of the worst franchises not only in the NBA but in all of professional sports. In terms of his impact on the Cavaliers, LeBron is the dictionary definition of a franchise player. The list of players who have had an equivalent impact on a franchise is pretty short.

And the only non-winning season was his rookie year, so it's completely understandable given the struggles of the franchise. Also, they're the Vegas favorites to win it all this year, or were before Golden State went off at the start of the year.

"Ego". :lol

[JoeTait75]

Any player who is asked to shoulder as much responsibility as LeBron had better have an ego.

[Othyus Lalanne]

Any player who is asked to shoulder as much responsibility as LeBron had better have an ego.

He is narcissistic, he called his return the greatest event in sports history.


Actually, your initial parameter was:



And when I pointed out how common that was, you shifted the vernacular to:



While dodging the question. It's a pretty obvious cop out of a complete non-issue. LeBron's got an ego but it is not at all unique in the grand scheme of players, especially when you get into the greatest of all-time.
His ego is an issue and the original parameters are in the title and the reasoning is under it.

[SAGirl]

Drafted in the last 15 years. You know LeBron will have his passive aggressive bitchiness and demand your team to bend over like Cleveland did last year. How big of a negative is LeBron's Bronntatorship project for a bball team?
He is incredibly talented, but he's not coachable at all.

If we are being realistic, its a talent's league, and if you are a franchise you can't realistically pass up on him if he falls to you, and you need to make it work with him and give him whatever he wants. That is what Cleveland is doing.

However, in a fictional hypothetical world, I can recognize that the man is a huge mega headache to deal with. I see where you are coming from. Of the current players, Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, even Wade, Nowitzki are more coachable and easier to deal with.

[Mikeanaro]

He is incredibly talented, but he's not coachable at all.

If we are being realistic, its a talent's league, and if you are a franchise you can't realistically pass up on him if he falls to you, and you need to make it work with him and give him whatever he wants. That is what Cleveland is doing.

However, in a fictional hypothetical world, I can recognize that the man is a huge mega headache to deal with. I see where you are coming from. Of the current players, Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, even Wade, Nowitzki are more coachable and easier to deal with.
Agreed and thats why he never had a real coach, the whole decision thing, the Im coming back letter etc only shows dude is an asshole.

[Othyus Lalanne]

Agreed and thats why he never had a real coach, the whole decision thing, the Im coming back letter etc only shows dude is an asshole.

Blatt is a real coach, he just cannot act like one because the Bron has the Cavs by the balls.

[Mikeanaro]

Blatt is a real coach, he just cannot act like one because the Bron has the Cavs by the balls.
Blatt has lots of holes, Lebron saved his ass during one crucial last second play in the playoffs remember the NBA is not the EuroLeague.
Lebron needs someone who doesnt complain, a real coach like Pop would make him cry.

[Othyus Lalanne]

Blatt has lots of holes, Lebron saved his ass during one crucial last second play in the playoffs remember the NBA is not the EuroLeague.
Lebron needs someone who doesnt complain, a real coach like Pop would make him cry.

He almost made a huge mistake with the refs. The Bron was cold and he is a great passer, why not make him inbound the ball? It's also silly to define a coach by one play. Pop would make him cry in SA, he would adjust to him or get fired anywhere else.

[Mitch]

Drafted in the last 15 years? I can't think of anybody who could make the kind of impact Lebron does in the last 23 years since Shaq came in. Not Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, etc. I don't see Davis of ever being that guy either, he'll probably be a superstar but we're talking about once in a decade players here.

[Buddy Mignon]

What an old, vanilla take.

LeBron's best teammate in his first stint with the Cavs was Mo Freakin' Williams. The Cavs never gave him a team worthy of even being called an NBA squad, let alone a decent group of players.

I'd build around maybe 2-3 players in history before taking LeBron. Jordan, Kareem, and maybe Tim Duncan. That's about it.

Jordan, Kareem and Lebron defend their title. Jim doesn't even attempt to. I could name 20 guys I'd build around instead of Jim.

[Kidd K]

Drafted in the last 15 years? I can't think of anybody who could make the kind of impact Lebron does in the last 23 years since Shaq came in. Not Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, etc. I don't see Davis of ever being that guy either, he'll probably be a superstar but we're talking about once in a decade players here.

I would take Duncan over LeBron since he's already proven more successful and in the more difficult conference, but he isn't "drafted last 15years". LBJ over the others you listed though besides Shaq.

[RD2191]

Lbj isn't even top 10. Overrated athlete who would out power smaller defenders barreling his way to the rim.

[Brazil]

i take a big over him

guys like lebron u can always sign defensive perimeter players to contain him...

lebron is a streaky shooter and bullys his way to the room, all of which can be stop if u have the correct personel

:lol what a terrible take tbh...

just for the fun tho, what big ?

[SpursforSix]

Drafted in the last 15 years. You know LeBron will have his passive aggressive bitchiness and demand your team to bend over like Cleveland did last year. How big of a negative is LeBron's Bronntatorship project for a bball team?

I'm not building a team around someone who might leave to chase a ring if things don't go the way he wants.

[Killakobe81]

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there are any megastars in the NBA that don't have an ego. Hell, even Duncan has an ego, but he checks it at the door. He's about as rare as it gets, though. You are aware that he almost left the Spurs for Orlando, right?

Jordan - Huge fucking ego
Jabaar - Huge fucking ego
Wilt - Ego the size of the planet
Hakeem - Huge fucking ego
Bird - Huge fucking ego

I mean, what is this notion you have that superstars in the NBA are humble Harry's with no desire to get paid any way they can?

Absolutely Cry managing that ego like Tim has is pretty rare for a true superstar.

[Cry Havoc]

Absolutely Cry managing that ego like Tim has is pretty rare for a true superstar.

And even a guy like Tim almost went to Orlando. The idea that he doesn't have an ego or doesn't manage his personality for the public is absurd. Did you see the video where he, Patty, Aron, & co. were drunk at the club? Duncan said, "Shut the fuck up" and then saw a camera on him and straightened up immediately.

You don't become the best in the world at something unless you know you're good and can dumpster most kids. End of story. Duncan being able to give advice in a game to his opponent is basically the ultimate taunt. "I know so much that I can help you and still stomp you into the ground."

[JoeTait75]

I'm not building a team around someone who might leave to chase a ring if things don't go the way he wants.

Well that's just it- you have to build a team around him. I didn't like the way LeBron put out in the Boston series before he left, but I get why he left and it was the right decision for his career. A lot of guys would have done the same thing.

[Killakobe81]

And even a guy like Tim almost went to Orlando. The idea that he doesn't have an ego or doesn't manage his personality for the public is absurd. Did you see the video where he, Patty, Aron, & co. were drunk at the club? Duncan said, "Shut the fuck up" and then saw a camera on him and straightened up immediately.

You don't become the best in the world at something unless you know you're good and can dumpster most kids. End of story. Duncan being able to give advice in a game to his opponent is basically the ultimate taunt. "I know so much that I can help you and still stomp you into the ground."

no doubt. this vision of him as completely devoid of ego is horseshit. in fact, my favorite Tim "ego/leadership moment" was when he called his shot in the rematch with the heat. I know you saw the interview (right after they won the west) he knew once they got another shot that the result would be different he didnt care that LeBron was on the other side HE WANTED Lebron and Wade. Plus, If it came to it again no way was Pop sitting him down late ...

[I. Hustle]

Duncan being able to give advice in a game to his opponent is basically the ultimate taunt. "I know so much that I can help you and still stomp you into the ground."

Pretty much. Cracks me up when I see it and when players talk about it.

[I. Hustle]

I agree with CH. In order to be the best, you have to be able to look at EVERY other person and say to yourself "I can beat that guy".

That's just sports in general. The key, as it's been stated, is keeping it in check.

[SpursforSix]

Well that's just it- you have to build a team around him. I didn't like the way LeBron put out in the Boston series before he left, but I get why he left and it was the right decision for his career. A lot of guys would have done the same thing.

why am I locked in to building around him?

[JoeTait75]

why am I locked in to building around him?

Why wouldn't you?

[LkrFan]

In today's game? Steph Curry. His handles are as good or better than CP3. His passing is as good or better than the Kang. His jumper is as good or better than the all-time greats like Bird, Ray, Reggie or Dale Ellis. His jumper is wet as fuck.

His game will get better and will age like fine wine. Health permitting, he should play well into his late 30's and maybe even his early 40's. I'm a fan of the MVP.

[SpursforSix]

Why wouldn't you?

I thought this thread was about giving me a choice. Now you're saying I have to build around Lebron? Who's running the show here?

[JoeTait75]

I thought this thread was about giving me a choice. Now you're saying I have to build around Lebron? Who's running the show here?

I'm just saying in general that if you have a franchise player you ought to build around him, regardless of who that player is. It's like in football, if you have a franchise quarterback the top priority ought to be giving him weapons to throw to and a good offensive line to protect him.

[Othyus Lalanne]

I'm just saying in general that if you have a franchise player you ought to build around him, regardless of who that player is. It's like in football, if you have a franchise quarterback the top priority ought to be giving him weapons to throw to and a good offensive line to protect him.

We are talking about theoretical scenario with magical options.

[SpursforSix]

I'm just saying in general that if you have a franchise player you ought to build around him, regardless of who that player is. It's like in football, if you have a franchise quarterback the top priority ought to be giving him weapons to throw to and a good offensive line to protect him.

ah...I see. Then if I had Lebron, I would next add Tim Duncan and then build around him.

[Othyus Lalanne]

ah...I see. Then if I had Lebron, I would next add Tim Duncan and then build around him.

Why would Timmy hang out with the Bron moron?

[Kawhitstorm]

Every player has an ego, the only thing that matters is whether or not they are good teammates/selfish/coachable. LeBron quit on his teammates his first go around w/ the Cavs & abandoned the ship in Miami when Wade started declining. He has disrespected his coaches on national TV plenty of times too. LeBron is simply a disloyal diva, not a noble servant.:lol

[Jodelo]

His game will get better and will age like fine wine. Health permitting, he should play well into his late 30's and maybe even his early 40's. I'm a fan of the MVP.

Great, now he will tear his ACL soon...

Kiss of death!

[lefty]

Great, now he will tear his ACL soon...


Nah as long as he is not playing for Madrid he is fine tbh

[SpursforSix]

LOL at this on the main thread preview page. "How many dudes would you..."

[Jodelo]

Nah as long as he is not playing for Madrid he is fine tbh

:lol

[lefty]

LOL at this on the main thread preview page. "How many dudes would you..."
I thought it was another thread by Kool tbh

[SpursforSix]

I thought it was another thread by Kool tbh

:lol That's EXACTLY what I thought.

[100%duncan]

1/10

[Othyus Lalanne]

Fuck it, this one also should be bumped to see who changed his mind.

[DMC]

I don't know that you can build around people these days. You need elite 3pt shooting but also someone who can get to the paint and shoot FTs. Curry is right there but you cannot build around a guy who isn't a good defender. Kawhi Leonard might be one of the few, with KD in the talks but I'd not feel comfortable building around any one person with that person's strengths as the central theme of the team.

[illusioNtEk]

I recently got my Wife into basketball and after watching several games around the league she actually would pick LMA to build around with. Here is her team who she thinks would win the chip

Westbrook
DeRozan
Harden
Lebron
LMA

Patty (lol) (she likes how good of a job Patty does as a chearleader)

She said White needs a hair cut

[R. DeMurre]

I recently got my Wife into basketball and after watching several games around the league she actually would pick LMA to build around with. Here is her team who she thinks would win the chip

Westbrook
DeRozan
Harden
Lebron
LMA

Patty (lol) (she likes how good of a job Patty does as a chearleader)

She said White needs a hair cut


:lol :toast

A friend of mine and I have a running joke about D White: I like everything this guy! ..... except his haircut.

[Spurtacular]

There aren't that many guys I'd honestly care that much about building around. I think the concept is over-rated. Obviously, you build around a Tim Duncan. You don't build around a Carmelo Anthony.

[Othyus Lalanne]

There aren't that many guys I'd honestly care that much about building around. I think the concept is over-rated. Obviously, you build around a Tim Duncan. You don't build around a Carmelo Anthony.

The concept has the same light weight in both the East and the West?