Paris attacks

[TheSanityAnnex]

They're right there. No need to look through all those pages when the search terms have been spoon fed to you.

Yet another way you try to avoid discussing the OP by continuing to expect me to search for your questions instead of just asking them right here.

[TheSanityAnnex]

He got banned for being himself in the French Spurs Fans thread upstairs.

Celebrating the deaths I assume?

[spurraider21]

Celebrating the deaths I assume?
slomo came in and warned them to knock off their political bickering. bouts carried on. typical entitled lib disrespecting authority

[rmt]

So much for Obama's statement a few hours earlier that ISIS is CONTAINED and Kerry's statement yesterday that ISIS's days are NUMBERED. So totally out of touch with reality.

[Aztecfan03]

slomo came in and warned them to knock off their political bickering. bouts carried on. typical entitled lib disrespecting authority
Is that why UNT got banned also? Bouts i get, but UNT is surprising.

[spurraider21]

Is that why UNT got banned also? Bouts i get, but UNT is surprising.
blessing in disguise

[cd98]

Not sure why they are banning people. It's good to have viewpoints. Maybe keep them here vs Spurs forum, but there are important questions that need to be answered like 1) should we be in the Middle East conflicts? 2) should we back out and be bullied bc of terrorist attacks? 3) if we leave, are we willing to watch ISIS behead, rape , and commit mass murder from the sidelines? 4) are we willing to send ground troops if we won't be on the sidelines? 5) if we ignore Middle East will we be sure that terrorist acts will end? 6) Did the majority speak when they thoroughly rejected democracy for extreme theocracies every where elections occurred?

These are tough questions to answer.

[ChumpDumper]

Yet another way you try to avoid discussing the OP by continuing to expect me to search for your questions instead of just asking them right here.Already asked. You're the one who avoided them in the first place. And avoiding them now. They're right there, waiting for you.

[spurraider21]

boutons doesn't have viewpoints. he just copy/paste articles and parrots them

[TDMVPDPOY]

surrending to the g ermans in under 10mins during ww2 crossing the border or

losing to a bunch of camel looking clowns?

[Mal]

Why the fuck France is getting all that attention, when terrorist attack happend the day before also in Lebanon, where 40 people died, and many would`ve if 2nd suicide bomber wasnt stopped before ? Why I cant set Lebanon flag on my facebook page ?

Dont get me wrong, I wont set any special facebook avatar, or use some hashtags, because I think it`s retarded.

[Sportcamper]

I am trying to make sense of all of this…Obama promised that if we just say nice things & try to be more understanding then Muslims will stop killing innocent people…I have been playing “Imagine” non stop…:cry :cry :cry

[ElNono]

One of the Bataclan attackers was identified as Ismael Omar Mostefai, 29 years old, born in Paris. Described as a young father with Algerian roots, he had two brothers and two sisters. He was one of the attackers that immolated when police stormed into the building, according to Le Monde.

[Sportcamper]

Makes no sense…Religion of Peace…:cry

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://i.imgur.com/2YQThAS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xvJWasz.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

Why the fuck France is getting all that attention, when terrorist attack happend the day before also in Lebanon, where 40 people died, and many would`ve if 2nd suicide bomber wasnt stopped before ? Why I cant set Lebanon flag on my facebook page ?

Dont get me wrong, I wont set any special facebook avatar, or use some hashtags, because I think it`s retarded.

:lol why do you think, tbh?

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol truthers..

[ChumpDumper]

I think truther articles are just Mad Lib type forms with blanks to fill in for the actual event details.

[Mal]

:lol why do you think, tbh?

I really wasnt expecting any answer to that matter.

[spurraider21]

Why the fuck France is getting all that attention, when terrorist attack happend the day before also in Lebanon, where 40 people died, and many would`ve if 2nd suicide bomber wasnt stopped before ? Why I cant set Lebanon flag on my facebook page ?

Dont get me wrong, I wont set any special facebook avatar, or use some hashtags, because I think it`s retarded.
a bomb went off in lebanon. france had several coordinated attack sites... different situations. france closed its borders, declared state of emergency, put a curfew in effect for the first time since WW2

besides, france is one of america's favorite allies, lebanon though?

[HarlemHeat37]

a bomb went off in lebanon. france had several coordinated attack sites... different situations. france closed its borders, declared state of emergency, put a curfew in effect for the first time since WW2

besides, france is one of america's favorite allies, lebanon though?

:lol ignoring the obvious reason for the support/outrage vs. lack of attention..

[spurraider21]

:lol ignoring the obvious reason for the support/outrage vs. lack of attention..
didnt ignore it. america doesnt give a shit about lebanon, while france is one of its closest allies. if the media was going to make a huge news every time a country got attacked, it would be a daily thing

did we have a day of mourning every time there was a car bomb in iraq?

[Mal]

a bomb went off in lebanon. france had several coordinated attack sites... different situations. france closed its borders, declared state of emergency, put a curfew in effect for the first time since WW2

besides, france is one of america's favorite allies, lebanon though?

I am not talking about America. And in Lebanon there were 2 suicides bombers. One went of, second was stopped by one guy.

[spurraider21]

well i couldnt possibly know what polish media is covering, so i can only speak for what im seeing here

[boutons_deux]

GOP candidates react to Paris terrorist attacks — by blaming Democrats and slamming Syrian refugees

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/huckabee-carson-cruz-800x430.jpg
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/gop-candidates-react-to-paris-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-democrats-and-slamming-syrian-refugees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

French jets bomb Syria in the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/middleeast/france-announces-raqqa-airstrikes-on-isis/index.html

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

France going hard in the paint

[hater]

France going hard in the paint

Just a show. Last few years France has been arming the terrorists and clamoring for Assad to be destroyed by them.

What now retards? Not the French ppl btw. They have no idea the poor bastards. That their government is highly responsible for these attacks.

[boutons_deux]

Anybody remember "freedom fries" and "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" used by the childish Repugs and rightwingnut hate media to attack France for being strongly against the Repugs invading Iraq for oil?

Germany in tandem with France was also strongly against the invasion.

Germany and France were perfectly correct, and Repugs were disastrously wrong.

Fuck the Repugs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Democrats voted for it too dumbass. Including your current leading nominee for president in 2016.

[angrydude]

Anybody remember "freedom fries" and "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" used by the childish Repugs and rightwingnut hate media to attack France for being strongly against the Repugs invading Iraq for oil?

Germany in tandem with France was also strongly against the invasion.

Germany and France were perfectly correct, and Repugs were disastrously wrong.

Fuck the Repugs.

Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for 8 years straight whenever it was politically expedient.

So his wife will be different?

The irony is Hillary is the actually the neo-con candidate the neo-cons can't nominate for the republican ticket but secretly hope wins.

[baseline bum]

Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for 8 years straight whenever it was politically expedient.

So his wife will be different?

The irony is Hillary is the actually the neo-con candidate the neo-cons can't nominate for the republican ticket but secretly hope wins.

They'd rather have Rubio I'd bet.

[boutons_deux]

Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for 8 years straight

You Lie

Clinton bombed Iraq once, in 1998, Operation Desert Fox.

Where's your evidence that he bombed Iraq for 8 straight years?

[Clipper Nation]

GOP candidates react to Paris terrorist attacks — by blaming Democrats and slamming Syrian refugees

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/huckabee-carson-cruz-800x430.jpg
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/gop-candidates-react-to-paris-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-democrats-and-slamming-syrian-refugees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

You must have missed this:

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[Aztecfan03]

The people who post there are disinfo agents and the informed sincere truth-seekers get banned as soon as they're identified.

fify

[TDMVPDPOY]

after the attacks they have all the information of these wankers

so why didnt they arrest these clowns b4 they committed their act? did the govt allow this shit to happen for other agenda?

[rmt]

Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for 8 years straight whenever it was politically expedient.

So his wife will be different?

The irony is Hillary is the actually the neo-con candidate the neo-cons can't nominate for the republican ticket but secretly hope wins.

McConnell and the establishment types would rather have Hillary than Cruz, Paul, Huckabee, Trump or Carson

[Warlord23]

The neocons have been targeting several countries since the 90s to "secure American interests and promote American principles". Iraq and Libya have already been attacked. Syria is in progress, and after that they'll move on to some combination of Iran, Lebanon, Sudan.

After the Libya and Syria episodes, Obama appears to have postponed the entanglement with Iran. But don't worry people, once Hillary or Rubio take office in 2017, the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel will resume the fun and games. The Presidential candidates who can resist the trend (Sanders, Paul) have no chance against the establishment.

Boiled down:
The military industrial complex 3
The tired old American people 0

[hater]

after the attacks they have all the information of these wankers

so why didnt they arrest these clowns b4 they committed their act? did the govt allow this shit to happen for other agenda?

It's another show. All of a sudden everybody is an expert after the attacks and they were all being tracked. It's BS for the masses. Poor bastards those who believe that bullshit.

[Wild Cobra]

You Lie

Clinton bombed Iraq once, in 1998, Operation Desert Fox.

Where's your evidence that he bombed Iraq for 8 straight years?

Clinton bombed Iraq repeatedly during his presidency. Three times with cruise missiles. There were several other military engagements as well.

Some quick references from Wikipedia:

1993:

Between 1AM and 2AM local time on June 26/June 27, 1993, 23 Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched by two U.S. warships into downtown Baghdad.These hit a building which was believed to be the headquarters of the Iraqi Intelligence Service in the Al Mansur district of Baghdad. Iraq claimed that nine civilians were killed in the attack and three civilian houses destroyed. The missiles were fired from the destroyer USS Peterson in the Red Sea and the cruiser USS Chancellorsville in the Persian Gulf.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Iraq_%281993%29


1996:

The cruise missile strike was preliminarily planned to be by aircraft launched from the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70), including aircraft from Fighter Squadron 11 (VF-11) and Fighter Squadron 31 (VF-31), both operating F-14D Tomcats, Electronic Attack Squadron 139 (VAQ-139), operating EA-6B Prowlers, Attack Squadron 196 (VA-196), operating A-6E Intruders equipped with the Target Recognition and Attack Multi-Sensor (TRAM) system, Anti-Submarine Squadron 35 (VS-35) flying S-3B Vikings and Strike Fighter Squadron 113 (VFA-113) and Strike Fighter Squadron 25 (VFA-25), both operating F/A-18 Hornets. However, the strike instead was launched by U.S. Navy surface warships and U.S. Air Force bombers.

On 3 September 1996, a joint operation by the U.S. Navy's Carl Vinson Carrier Battle Group and U.S. Air Force, a combined strike team consisting of the guided-missile cruiser USS Shiloh (CG-67), the guided-missile destroyer USS Laboon (DDG-58), and B-52 Stratofortress bombers escorted by F-14D Tomcat fighters from Carl Vinson, with the nuclear-powered guided-missile cruiser USS California (CGN-36) serving as Air Warfare Commander,[1] launched 27 cruise missiles against Iraqi air defense targets in southern Iraq.[2] A second wave of 17 missiles was launched later that day[3] from the destroyers USS Russell (DDG-59), USS Hewitt (DD-966), USS Laboon (DDG-58), and the nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Jefferson City (SSN-759). The missiles hit targets in and around Kut, Iskandariyah, Nasiriyah, and Tallil.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Iraq_%281996%29

1998:

U.S. Navy aircraft from Carrier Air Wing Three (CVW 3), flying from USS Enterprise (CVN-65), Carrier Air Wing Eleven (CVW 11), flying from USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70), and Patrol Squadron Four (PATRON FOUR), flew combat missions from the Persian Gulf in support of ODF. Of significance, the operation marked the first time that women flew combat sorties as U.S. Navy strike fighter pilots[7][8] and the first combat use of the U.S. Air Force's B-1B bomber from the 28th Air Expeditionary Group stationed at RAFO Thumrait, Sultanate of Oman. Ground units included the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable), of which 2nd Battalion 4th Marines served as the ground combat element; based from USS Belleau Wood (LHA-3) Amphibious Ready Group, which included USS Germantown (LSD-42) USS Dubuque (LPD-8). The U.S. Air Force sent several sorties of F-16s from the 34th Fighter Squadron, and 522nd Fighter Squadron into Iraq to fly night missions in support of Operation Desert Fox; they were based at Ahmed Al Jaber Air Base, Kuwait.

On the second night of Operation Desert Fox, aircrews flying 12 B-52s took off from the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and launched 74 conventional air launched cruise missiles (CALCMs). The missiles found their mark striking multiple Iraqi targets including six of President Saddam Hussein's palaces, several Republican Guard Barracks, and the Ministries of Defense and Military Industry. The following evening, two more B-52 crews launched 16 more CALCMs. Over a two-night period aircrews from the 2nd and 5th Bomb Wings launched a total of 90 CALCMs. The B-1 bomber also made its combat debut by striking at Republican Guard targets. Also on Dec. 17, USAF aircraft based in Kuwait participated, as did British Royal Air Force Tornado aircraft. The British contribution totaled 15 percent of the sorties flown in Desert Fox.[9]

By December 19, U.S. and British aircraft had struck 97 targets, and Secretary of Defense William Cohen claimed the operation was a success. Supported by Secretary Cohen, as well as United States Central Command commander General Anthony C. Zinni and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Henry H. Shelton, President Bill Clinton declared "victory" in Operation Desert Fox. In total, the 70-hour campaign saw U.S. forces strike 85 percent of their targets, 75 percent of which were considered "highly effective" strikes. More than 600 sorties were flown by more than 300 combat and support aircraft, and 600 air dropped munitions were employed, including 90 air launched cruise missiles and 325 Tomahawk land attack missiles (TLAM). Operation Desert Fox inflicted serious damage to Iraq's missile development program, although its effects on any WMD program were not clear. Nevertheless, Operation Desert Fox was the largest strike against Iraq since the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, until the commencement of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29

[lefty]

:lol at Holland bombing Syria

:lol what a fucking amateur

Yeah that will calm things down

[Mal]

:lol at Holland bombing Syria

:lol what a fucking amateur

Yeah that will calm things down

Look how many other terrorist groups they`ve catched in 2 days.
And now they are bombing random village at the desert :lmao

I only believe that shit will get better, when they truly close couple radical mosques and started sending people back to country of origin.

Meanwhile african countries will not take back their citiziens if they are caught in Europe :lmao Rasist and facists those africans :lmao

[hater]

:lol at Holland bombing Syria

:lol what a fucking amateur

Yeah that will calm things down

are they bombing them with these bad boys?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/dutch-clogs-11349951.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

I know many of you will scoff at this, but I believe the best news source for terrorist related activities will be Aljazeera. They understand the culture better than western journalists.

I give you these:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/11/13/paris-massacres-underscore-the-macabre-logic-of-mass-terror.html

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/11/15/responding-to-fridays-bloodbath-poses-a-dilemma-for-france.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/air-strike-targeted-senior-isil-leader-libya-151115044738165.html

Outside of Paris, I found this of interest:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/11/the-one-state-solution-obamas-sorry-legacy.html

[hater]

I know many of you will scoff at this, but I believe the best news source for terrorist related activities will be Aljazeera. They understand the culture better than western journalists.


:lol Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization. Its basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS. :lol

now don't get me wrong. i do read them sometimes. But you have to take their opinions with a block (not a grain) of salt

[Wild Cobra]

:lol Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization. Its basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS. :lol

now don't get me wrong. i do read them sometimes. But you have to take their opinions with a block (not a grain) of salt

Sorry, but I see their accuracy in reporting better than western reporters.

[hater]

Sorry, but I see their accuracy in reporting better than western reporters.

Can't disagree with this. Doesn't mean ISIS funders own Al Jazeera tbqh.

Western reporters are possibly the worst type of reporters but this is mainly because their audience is the dumbest

[Wild Cobra]

Can't disagree with this. Doesn't mean ISIS funders own Al Jazeera tbqh.

Western reporters are possibly the worst type of reporters but this is mainly because their audience is the dumbest

LOL...

I hate to, but I must completely agree that we, as a general audience, are really dumb.

Aljajeera is controlled by Sheikh Hamad bin Thamer Al Thani, in Qatar. Qatar is the most influential of the middle eastern counties, and has is the richest country per capita in the world. Aljazeera may be one reason for that.

Though they are entrenched in Wahhabi culture and Sharia law, they have been recognizing other global aspects. I firmly believe that they are a culture that will naturally come around to more western like ideals as time goes by.

Though this is from 2011, Qatar is allowing their women unveiled:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/olympics/2011-12-23/qatar-women-hope-compete-2012-olympics

Allowed to be photographed unveiled:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Hamad_Bin_Khalifa_Al-Thani_with_Obamas.jpg/640px-Hamad_Bin_Khalifa_Al-Thani_with_Obamas.jpg

Prominent roles in speaking on behalf of Qatar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Alliance_of_Civilizations_Forum_Annual_Meeting_Bra zil_2010_-_16.jpg/459px-Alliance_of_Civilizations_Forum_Annual_Meeting_Bra zil_2010_-_16.jpg

Please don't assume Aljazeera is biased towards typical islamic beliefs.

[Wild Cobra]

It is the better off Islamic/Muslim countries, that are not entrenched in terrorism, that are becoming more western. Every time we help in destabilizing these regions, the longer natural changes will occur.

http://nassersaidi.com/2010/12/14/dubai-women-establishment-participates-in-first-power-breakfast-on-board-diversity/

[boutons_deux]

"It is the better off Islamic/Muslim countries, that are not entrenched in terrorism"

Wahhabis are allowed, even protected terrorist Muslim sect in wealthy Saudi Arabia which supposedly source of funds to Sunni terrorists fighting Shia.

Bahrain is a merciless dictatorship, where they allowed, with US silence, Saudi Arabia, using US-weapons, to crush the Arab spring in Bahrain.

Poverty is a root cause of "reasonable" Muslims looking for any money even from terrorist organizations. But wealth in a Muslim country is not sufficient when the Muslim rulers are extremists, or enable/protect extremism.

[hater]

don't be fooled by AlJazeera.

Al Jazeera's detractors have long dismissed the network as a vehicle for Doha's foreign policy, one driven by Sunni sectarianism and an overriding antagonism toward Iran.[41] Voices critical of Qatar's government—the "worst in the region" in tracking terrorist financing, according to U.S. diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks[42]—are nonexistent in English or Arabic.[43] In 2011, both channels provided only scant coverage of the uprising in neighboring Bahrain—where a downtrodden Shiite majority demanded greater rights in the Sunni-led kingdom[44]—and were slow to cede airtime to the rebellion in Syria—a leader of the "resistance bloc" against the United States and Israel even if it is allied with the Shiite hegemon in Tehran.[45]

"Sunni religious figures are almost always treated deferentially as voices of authority on almost any issue, and Arab governments as useless stooges of the United States and Israel."

http://www.meforum.org/3147/al-jazeera

[Mal]

http://news.yahoo.com/polish-minister-says-syrians-return-fight-liberate-homeland-225004972.html

Truth bombs from new polish foreign minister

[Pelicans78]

Pakistan has made improvments though they have a long way to go. They've been democratic for over 5 years now, they've eliminated most of the Pakistan Taliban and their economy has improved.

[rmt]

oBama Friday: "We have ISIS contained in Syria and Iraq"
oBama today: "It reminds us that it will not be enough to take on ISIL in Iraq and Syria alone."

[rmt]

http://news.yahoo.com/polish-minister-says-syrians-return-fight-liberate-homeland-225004972.html

Truth bombs from new polish foreign minister


Sounds like an excellent plan to me.

[ChumpDumper]

oBama Friday: "We have ISIS contained in Syria and Iraq"
oBama today: "It reminds us that it will not be enough to take on ISIL in Iraq and Syria alone."They're in Florida right now!

What are you going to do?

[hater]

Pakistan has made improvments though they have a long way to go. They've been democratic for over 5 years now, they've eliminated most of the Pakistan Taliban and their economy has improved.

Pakistan have their mortal enemies in India and are being showered with $$$ from Saudi Arabia to do their bidding.

They are currently investing in tactical nuclear weaponry system to combat India's military superiority. If a war were to break out there, Pakistan would be the first country ever to depend on tactical nuclear weapons as their bread and butter.

believe me, if a major regional war were to break out, India and Pakistan would unleash against the other

[boutons_deux]

There Is Only One Way to Defeat ISIS

We must hold accountable our Middle Eastern "allies"—the states and bankers and political elites—who persist in funding mass murder.

It is long past time for the oligarchies of the Gulf states to stop paying protection to the men in the suicide belts. Their societies are stunted and parasitic. The main job of the elites there is to find enough foreign workers to ensla…er…indenture to do all the real work. The example of Qatar and the interesting business plan (http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus+world/qatar) through which that country is building the facilities for the 2022 World Cup is instructive here. Roughly the same labor-management relationship exists for the people who clean the hotel rooms and who serve the drinks. In Qatar, for people who come from elsewhere to work, passports have been known to disappear into thin air. These are the societies that profit from terrible and tangled web of causation and violence that played out on the streets of Paris. These are the people who buy their safety with the blood of innocents far away.

It's not like this is any kind of secret.In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding), we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding). As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/242073), the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said. Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them. The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe.

If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home.

Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

USA, under the thumb and donations of BigOil, won't dare confront the Gulf States.

[Pelicans78]

Pakistan have their mortal enemies in India and are being showered with $$$ from Saudi Arabia to do their bidding.

They are currently investing in tactical nuclear weaponry system to combat India's military superiority. If a war were to break out there, Pakistan would be the first country ever to depend on tactical nuclear weapons as their bread and butter.

believe me, if a major regional war were to break out, India and Pakistan would unleash against the other

They don't get along, but there no where close to any nuclear war. Pakistan's nuclear weapons have caused them more grief than anything else. They're constantly having to guard it. Pakistan gets money from the Saudis, but they get much more from the Chinese including weapons and inteliigence support. The Chinese are their closest allies and they dislike India as well. Pakistan has also started to become friendly with the Russians since India is getting more weapons from the U.S.

[apalisoc_9]

Sanity is such a shithead. First turning this thread into a gun debate and just general ignorance of the middle east situation pre occupation.

I wish people like him vanish already. Just stupid.

One has to give the NSA a massive thumbs up for a more strict civilan monitoring. I think its time the west takes another step forward and start blocking things online like china and Turkey. Majority of these misguided radicals are brainwashed via the online media.

[hater]

They don't get along, but there no where close to any nuclear war. Pakistan's nuclear weapons have caused them more grief than anything else. They're constantly having to guard it. Pakistan gets money from the Saudis, but they get much more from the Chinese including weapons and inteliigence support. The Chinese are their closest allies and they dislike India as well. Pakistan has also started to become friendly with the Russians since India is getting more weapons from the U.S.

GIdfKzf_v_M

[DMX7]

:lol Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization. Its basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS. :lol

now don't get me wrong. i do read them sometimes. But you have to take their opinions with a block (not a grain) of salt

lol at implying Al Jazeera is ISIS controlled but that you still "somtimes" read it... :lol

[boutons_deux]

Arizona pastor blames ‘sinful’ France and death metal for Paris terror massacre

A bloodthirsty Arizona pastor said victims of the Paris terror attack were at least partially to blame for their own murders because they had attended a death metal concert.Three gunmen burst into a concert Friday night by the Eagles of Death Metal at Le Bataclan, opening fire and killing a reported 87 people — some of whom can be seen clearly in haunting photographs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320420/Joyous-crowd-wave-smile-enjoy-Eagles-Death-Metal-concert-just-moments-89-murdered-ISIS-gunmen.html) taken just moments before the massacre.

Pastor Steven Anderson, of Faithful Word Baptist Church, reacted to the terror attacks by denouncing France as a “sinful nation” and saying the victims basically had it coming, reported the Friendly Atheist blog (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/11/16/christian-pastor-criticizes-paris-terror-attack-victims-for-attending-death-metal-concert/).

“When you go to a concert of death metal, somebody might get killed,” Anderson said. “You know, you’re worshiping death, and then, all of a sudden, people start dying.”

Anderson — who had called for the execution of LGBT people, in general (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/pastors-call-for-stonings-and-warn-of-gods-wrathful-judgment-after-marriage-equality-ruling/), and Caityln Jenner, in particular (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/arizona-pastor-prays-for-god-to-rip-out-caitlyn-jenners-heart-i-hate-him-with-a-perfect-hatred/)— conceded their deaths were a “terrible tragedy,” but he said they were at least partially complicit.

“Well, you love death so much, you bought the ticket, you love worshiping Satan,” Anderson said. “Well, let’s have some of Satan’s religion come in and shoot you. I mean, that’s what these people should think about before they go into such a wicked concert.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/arizona-pastor-blames-sinful-france-and-death-metal-for-paris-terror-massacre/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[DMX7]

Arizona pastor blames ‘sinful’ France and death metal for Paris terror massacre

A bloodthirsty Arizona pastor said victims of the Paris terror attack were at least partially to blame for their own murders because they had attended a death metal concert.Three gunmen burst into a concert Friday night by the Eagles of Death Metal at Le Bataclan, opening fire and killing a reported 87 people — some of whom can be seen clearly in haunting photographs (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320420/Joyous-crowd-wave-smile-enjoy-Eagles-Death-Metal-concert-just-moments-89-murdered-ISIS-gunmen.html) taken just moments before the massacre.

Pastor Steven Anderson, of Faithful Word Baptist Church, reacted to the terror attacks by denouncing France as a “sinful nation” and saying the victims basically had it coming, reported the Friendly Atheist blog (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/11/16/christian-pastor-criticizes-paris-terror-attack-victims-for-attending-death-metal-concert/).

“When you go to a concert of death metal, somebody might get killed,” Anderson said. “You know, you’re worshiping death, and then, all of a sudden, people start dying.”

Anderson — who had called for the execution of LGBT people, in general (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/pastors-call-for-stonings-and-warn-of-gods-wrathful-judgment-after-marriage-equality-ruling/), and Caityln Jenner, in particular (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/arizona-pastor-prays-for-god-to-rip-out-caitlyn-jenners-heart-i-hate-him-with-a-perfect-hatred/)— conceded their deaths were a “terrible tragedy,” but he said they were at least partially complicit.

“Well, you love death so much, you bought the ticket, you love worshiping Satan,” Anderson said. “Well, let’s have some of Satan’s religion come in and shoot you. I mean, that’s what these people should think about before they go into such a wicked concert.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/arizona-pastor-blames-sinful-france-and-death-metal-for-paris-terror-massacre/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29




lol, the actual original target was the soccer game.

[boutons_deux]

lol, the actual original target was the soccer game.

no, they targeted "lifestyle" activities

1) soccer

2) pop music

3) dining out (with Satanic wine)

[DMX7]

no, they targeted "lifestyle" activities

1) soccer

2) pop music

3) dining out (with Satanic wine)

One of the original targets was the soccer game.

[hater]

lol at implying Al Jazeera is ISIS controlled but that you still "somtimes" read it... :lol

huh? I said:
Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization. Its basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS.

nothing in that statement is false. It's all fact.

[DMX7]

huh? I said:
Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization. Its basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS.

nothing in that statement is false. It's all fact.

If you're not implying that Al Jazeera is ISIS controlled then why does your statement that it is "basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS" matter?

[hater]

If you're not implying that Al Jazeera is ISIS controlled then why does your statement that it is "basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS" matter?

Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization.

Qatar and Saudi are the funders of ISIS

therefore:
Al Jazeera is basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS.

logic 101

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL...

I hate to, but I must completely agree that we, as a general audience, are really dumb.

Aljajeera is controlled by Sheikh Hamad bin Thamer Al Thani, in Qatar. Qatar is the most influential of the middle eastern counties, and has is the richest country per capita in the world. Aljazeera may be one reason for that.

Though they are entrenched in Wahhabi culture and Sharia law, they have been recognizing other global aspects. I firmly believe that they are a culture that will naturally come around to more western like ideals as time goes by.

Though this is from 2011, Qatar is allowing their women unveiled:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/olympics/2011-12-23/qatar-women-hope-compete-2012-olympics

Allowed to be photographed unveiled:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Hamad_Bin_Khalifa_Al-Thani_with_Obamas.jpg/640px-Hamad_Bin_Khalifa_Al-Thani_with_Obamas.jpg

Prominent roles in speaking on behalf of Qatar:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Alliance_of_Civilizations_Forum_Annual_Meeting_Bra zil_2010_-_16.jpg/459px-Alliance_of_Civilizations_Forum_Annual_Meeting_Bra zil_2010_-_16.jpg

Please don't assume Aljazeera is biased towards typical islamic beliefs.

Does your dumbass really think that the behavior of the elites is tantamount to official policy?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization.

Qatar and Saudi are the funders of ISIS

therefore:
Al Jazeera is basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS.

logic 101

The Qatari are also noted for being at odds with the other Arab states. Painting with one brush is fun and all but jeez. And you were saying the American population was so dumb. We aren't all as stupid as partschanger.

[Wild Cobra]

The Qatari are also noted for being at odds with the other Arab states. Painting with one brush is fun and all but jeez. And you were saying the American population was so dumb. We aren't all as stupid as partschanger.
But so many are as stupid as you!

[DMX7]

Al Jazeera is an Arab/Qatari news organization.

Qatar and Saudi are the funders of ISIS

therefore:
Al Jazeera is basically the news organization of the guys that fund ISIS.

logic 101

You didn't answer my question. Who gives a fuck? So that's why "you have to take their opinions with a block (not a grain) of salt"???

[Wild Cobra]

Does your dumbass really think that the behavior of the elites is tantamount to official policy?

That's right.

Cherry pick from the several I used.

Why do I see your picture in the dictionary when I look up loser?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As Saudi Arabia seeks to inoculate itself against the push for greater freedom, transparency and accountability sweeping the Middle East and North Africa, a major challenge to the kingdom’s puritan interpretation of Islam sits on its doorstep: Qatar, the only other country whose native population is Wahhabi and that adheres to the Wahhabi creed. It is a challenge that is rooted in historical tensions that go back to Qatari efforts in the nineteenth century to carve out an identity of its own. It also stems from long-standing differences in religious interpretations that are traceable to Qatar’s geography, patterns of trade and history; and a partially deliberate failure to groom a class of popular Muslim legal scholars of its own. More recently, Qatar’s development of an activist foreign policy promoting Islamist-led political change in the Middle East and North Africa as well as a soft power strategy designed to reduce its dependence on a Saudi defence umbrella was prompted by a perception that it no longer can assume that the kingdom would be able to effectively protect it. Although long existent, the challenge has never been as stark as it is now, at a time of massive change in the region. The differences are being fought out in Syria and Arab nations who, have in recent years, toppled their autocratic leaders, Egypt being one of the first and foremost.

While the differences in social, foreign and security policies cannot be hidden, Qatar, which hosts the largest U.S. military base in the Middle East, and Saudi Arabia have nevertheless moved in recent years from a cold war to a modicum of good neighbourly relations and cooperation with clearly defined albeit unspoken red lines to outright proxy confrontation. In the process, Qatar has emerged as living proof that Wahhabism, the puritan version of Islam developed by the eighteenth century preacher, Mohammed Abdul Wahhab, that dictates life in Saudi Arabia since its creation, can be somewhat forward and outward looking rather than repressive and restrictive. It is a testimony that is by definition subversive and is likely to serve much more than the case of freewheeling Dubai as an inspiration for conservative Saudi society that acknowledges its roots but in which various social groups are increasingly voicing their desire for change. The subversive nature of Qatar’s approach is symbolized by its long-standing, deep-seated ties to the Muslim Brotherhood that faces one of its most serious litmus tests at a time of the ascension of a new emir and a successful Saudi counter-revolutionary campaign that helped topple the government of Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi in July 2013, and that same month, curtailed Qatari influence within the rebel movement opposed to embattled Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad.

Everything but a Mirror Image

A multi-domed, sand-coloured, architectural marvel, Doha’s newest and biggest mosque, symbolizes Qatar’s complex and volatile relationship with Saudi Arabia as well as its bold soft power policy designed to propel it to the cutting edge of the twenty first century. It is not the mosque itself that has raised eyebrows but its naming after an eighteenth century warrior priest, Sheikh Mohammed Abdul Wahhab, the founder of Islam’s most puritan sect.

The naming of the mosque that overlooks the Qatar Sports Club in Doha’s Jubailat district was intended to pacify more traditional segments of Qatari society as well as Saudi Arabia, which sees the tiny Gulf state, the only other country whose native population is Wahhabi, as a troublesome and dangerous gadfly on its doorstep challenging its puritan interpretation of Islam as well as its counterrevolutionary strategy in the Middle East and North Africa. Qatar’s social revolution in the past two decades challenges Saudi efforts to maintain as much as possible of its status quo while impregnating itself against the push for greater freedom, transparency and accountability sweeping the region. By naming the mosque after Abdul Wahhab, Qatar reaffirmed its adherence to the Wahhabi creed that goes back to nineteenth century Saudi support and the ultimate rise to dominance of the Al Thani clan, the country’s hereditary monarchs until today who account for an estimated twenty per cent of the population.[1]

Yet, despite being a traditional Gulf state, Qatari conservatism is everything but a mirror image of Saudi Arabia’s staark way of life with its powerful, conservative clergy, absolute gender segregation; total ban on alcohol and houses of worship for adherents of other religions, and refusal to accommodate alternative lifestyles or religious practices. Qataris privately distinguish between their “Wahhabism of the sea” as opposed to Saudi Arabia’s “Wahhabism of the land,” a reference to the fact that the Saudi government has less control of an empowered clergy compared to Qatar that has no indigenous clergy with a social base to speak of; a Saudi history of tribal strife over oases as opposed to one of communal life in Qatar, and Qatar’s outward looking maritime trade history. Political scientists Birol Baskan and Steven Wright argue that on a political level, Qatar has a secular character similar to Turkey and in sharp contrast to Saudi Arabia, which they attribute to Qatar’s lack of a class of Muslim legal scholars.[2] The absence of scholars was in part a reflection of Qatari ambivalence towards Wahhabism that it viewed as both an opportunity and a threat: on the one hand it served as a tool to legitimise domestic rule, on the other it was a potential monkey wrench Saudi Arabia could employ to assert control. Opting to generate a clerical class of its own would have enhanced the threat because Qatar would have been dependent on Saudi clergymen to develop its own. That would have produced a clergy steeped in the kingdom’s austere theology and inspired by its history of political power-sharing that would have advocated a Saudi-style, state-defined form of political Islam.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=61189

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's right.

Cherry pick from the several I used.

Why do I see your picture in the dictionary when I look up loser?

:lol what other example is in your quote? Was it the restating the name of the elites and their state religion or you telling us what you believe?

You can mindlessly thrash out insults all you like but we both know you look like a fool when you write your stupid takes. I at least point out the stupidity first before telling you you're stupid.

[hater]

You didn't answer my question. Who gives a fuck? So that's why "you have to take their opinions with a block (not a grain) of salt"???

of course. AlJazeera caters to Sunni population much of it with extreme views. Obviously their English programming is different from their much more radical Arab programming, but it's essentially the same voice.

[SpursforSix]

I like what this guys says.
https://www.facebook.com/MPACUK1Ummah/videos/1478473405754889/

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254180&page=10&p=8271023&viewfull=1#post8271023

that's weird...I get a "page not available" error

[boutons_deux]

One of the original targets was the soccer game.

no, they targeted "lifestyle" activities

1) soccer

2) pop music

3) dining out (with Satanic wine)

[SpursforSix]

I just clicked on it and it came up.

Try copying and pasting the whole link. Here it is.
facebook (dot) com/MPACUK1Ummah/videos/1478473405754889/

That doesn't even show up as a link for me.

[Wild Cobra]

oBama Friday: "We have ISIS contained in Syria and Iraq"
oBama today: "It reminds us that it will not be enough to take on ISIL in Iraq and Syria alone."

If ISIS is contained, why this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/middleeast/us-strikes-syria-oil.html

I thought they were going to retire the Worthog. Guess not:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/243512-a-10-warthog-likely-to-keep-flying

[SpursforSix]

If ISIS is contained, why this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/middleeast/us-strikes-syria-oil.html

I thought they were going to retire the Worthog. Guess not:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/243512-a-10-warthog-likely-to-keep-flying

Charlie Sheen should have retired his Warthog.

[boutons_deux]

If ISIS is contained, why this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/middleeast/us-strikes-syria-oil.html

I thought they were going to retire the Worthog. Guess not:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/243512-a-10-warthog-likely-to-keep-flying


Fact Checkers Confirm That What President Obama Said About ISIL Being Contained Is True


Looking back at Obama’s interview where he made this comment, it is quite clear that it’s within a narrowly defined scope: ISIS’s territorial expansion in Iraq and Syria. He did not rule out the potential for a terrorist attack, and he also made it clear that the United States’ anti-ISIS efforts are a work in progress.

References or suggestions that Obama claimed ISIS no longer presents an active threat are incorrect.



Experts agree that the President was correct, though his choice of words wasn’t great, given some people’s inability to understand stateless terrorism.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. One hundred and twenty-nine people were killed in Paris on Friday night. ISIL claimed responsibility for the massacre, sending the message that they could now target civilians all over the world. The equation has clearly changed. Isn’t it time for your strategy to change?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, keep in mind what we have been doing. We have a military strategy that is putting enormous pressure on ISIL through airstrikes; that has put assistance and training on the ground with Iraqi forces; we’re now working with Syrian forces as well to squeeze ISIL, cut off their supply lines. We’ve been coordinating internationally to reduce their financing capabilities, the oil that they’re trying to ship outside. We are taking strikes against high-value targets — including, most recently, against the individual who was on the video executing civilians who had already been captured, as well as the head of ISIL in Libya. So it’s not just in Iraq and Syria.

And so, on the military front, we are continuing to accelerate what we do. As we find additional partners on the ground that are effective, we work with them more closely. I’ve already authorized additional Special Forces on the ground who are going to be able to improve that coordination.

On the counterterrorism front, keep in mind that since I came into office, we have been worried about these kinds of attacks. The vigilance that the United States government maintains and the cooperation that we’re consistently expanding with our European and other partners in going after every single terrorist network is robust and constant. And every few weeks, I meet with my entire national security team and we go over every single threat stream that is presented, and where we have relevant information, we share it immediately with our counterparts around the world, including our European partners.

On aviation security, we have, over the last several years, been working so that at various airports sites — not just in the United States, but overseas — we are strengthening our mechanisms to screen and discover passengers who should not be boarding flights, and improving the matters in which we are screening luggage that is going onboard.

And on the diplomatic front, we’ve been consistently working to try to get all the parties together to recognize that there is a moderate opposition inside of Syria that can form the basis for a transition government, and to reach out not only to our friends but also to the Russians and the Iranians who are on the other side of this equation to explain to them that ultimately an organization like ISIL is the greatest danger to them, as well as to us.

So there will be an intensification of the strategy that we put forward, but the strategy that we are putting forward is the strategy that ultimately is going to work. But as I said from the start, it’s going to take time.

And what’s been interesting is, in the aftermath of Paris, as I listen to those who suggest something else needs to be done, typically the things they suggest need to be done are things we are already doing. The one exception is that there have been a few who suggested that we should put large numbers of U.S. troops on the ground.

And keep in mind that we have the finest military in the world and we have the finest military minds in the world, and I’ve been meeting with them intensively for years now, discussing these various options, and it is not just my view but the view of my closest military and civilian advisors that that would be a mistake — not because our military could not march into Mosul or Raqqa or Ramadi and temporarily clear out ISIL, but because we would see a repetition of what we’ve seen before, which is, if you do not have local populations that are committed to inclusive governance and who are pushing back against ideological extremes, that they resurface — unless we’re prepared to have a permanent occupation of these countries.

And let’s assume that we were to send 50,000 troops into Syria. What happens when there’s a terrorist attack generated from Yemen? Do we then send more troops into there? Or Libya, perhaps? Or if there’s a terrorist network that’s operating anywhere else — in North Africa, or in Southeast Asia?

So a strategy has to be one that can be sustained. And the strategy that we’re pursuing, which focuses on going after targets, limiting wherever possible the capabilities of ISIL on the ground — systematically going after their leadership, their infrastructure, strengthening Shia — or strengthening Syrian and Iraqi forces and Kurdish forces that are prepared to fight them, cutting off their borders and squeezing the space in which they can operate until ultimately we’re able to defeat them — that’s the strategy we’re going to have to pursue.

And we will continue to generate more partners for that strategy. And there are going to be some things that we try that don’t work; there will be some strategies we try that do work. And when we find strategies that work, we will double down on those.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/16/president-obama-remarkable-grasp-fight-isis-hes-correct.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[DMX7]

no, they targeted "lifestyle" activities

1) soccer

2) pop music

3) dining out (with Satanic wine)




One of the original targets was the soccer game where the President was. Give it a rest.

[boutons_deux]

One of the original targets was the soccer game where the President was. Give it a rest.

no, they targeted "lifestyle" activities

1) soccer

2) pop music

3) dining out (with Satanic wine)

WTF is your interest in putting the events in time sequence? WTF is the importance to you or anybody?

[hater]

I have to say something tbh.

Since the Russian airstrikes, ISIS has been running scared. Rusians have been bombing those sons of bitches to oblivion. And this is why Saudi/US/France and other ISIS backers have been crying and moaning.

then US re-thought their strategy and started bombing ISIS in Iraq (finally, for real this time)

So Obama's words are possibly true. Russia/Assad were giving ISIS major casualties and Iraq started gaining ground on them in Iraq. That is why this attack is not reallly a show of force from ISIS but more a desperate backlash due to the losses they are sustaining.

ISIS will be obliterated in a matter of weeks (as I called before) if US/Russia really want to.

[pgardn]

I have to say something tbh.

Since the Russian airstrikes, ISIS has been running scared. Rusians have been bombing those sons of bitches to oblivion. And this is why Saudi/US/France and other ISIS backers have been crying and moaning.

then US re-thought their strategy and started bombing ISIS in Iraq (finally, for real this time)

So Obama's words are possibly true. Russia/Assad were giving ISIS major casualties and Iraq started gaining ground on them in Iraq. That is why this attack is not reallly a show of force from ISIS but more a desperate backlash due to the losses they are sustaining.

ISIS will be obliterated in a matter of weeks (as I called before) if US/Russia really want to.

No.

Just no.

Russia has concentrated its bombing on rebels trying to take out Assad. Most are not ISIS. And Russia still will not put the plane bombing on ISIS, neither will Egypt. Tell me how many Russian planes have bombed ISIS strongholds in Iraq? ISIS are not just in Syria. Your dream world with Russian heroes is pure folly. And your hero Assad has and would be as brutal as ISIS if he had the means. But he will not go as far as to publicize them. So who is the most dangerous? Those that hide atrocities, or readily tell the world? We know ISIS is more dangerous to the West now, but to life in general the Assads hold records. Read about the city of Hama.

This all might slowly change as the West and Russia will now hold meetings to possibly coordinate.

And ISIS will not be obliterated within weeks unless civilian deaths are huge. You still don't get the fact ISIS comes and goes in all these cities and towns in Iraq and Syria. The collateral damage will be huge if your prediction is correct. They will hide amongst civilians and go underground while the bombing goes on. They will wait it out.

This is not as easy as you dream. Might as well prescribe to the reactionary "blow everyone up in the ME"

[boutons_deux]

Repugs, esp this incredible dumbfuck, refuse to accept any responsibility for Repug destruction of Middle East stability

Jeb Bush Accuses Obama Of ‘Getting Us Into A Quagmire’ In Middle East :lol

“It means a strategy — we don’t have a strategy right now. This president is incrementally getting us into a quagmire, without having a strategy to defeat ISIS. This is a threat to Western civilization, a threat to our own country. We need to be merciless in this effort.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/jeb-bush-accuses-obama-of-getting-us-into-a-quagmire-in-middle-east/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20Memo%20-%202015-11-17&utm_term=MM_frequency_six

Repugs CREATED ISIS!

A Repug asshole wants a STRATEGY in the Middle East? :lol

Like the wonderful Repug strategy of 2003? :lol

[boutons_deux]

I heard senile, emotionally unstable McLiar on NPR this moring"

"Obama wants to fight ISIS in USA rather than in the Middle East"

Typical BULLSHIT from what the Repugs offer as senior statesman offering sage advice.

[lefty]

Meanwhile, somewhere, Mossad is laughing

[hater]

Russia just launched scores of missiles at raqua the ISIS capital also helpind Assad fight ISIS and al quaeda in Aleppo.

Don't believe the CIA mouthpieces called US media. Russians are on the forefront fighting ISIS. Finally the world has joined them

[MultiTroll]

Broaden arrest powers?
Seems like a lot of these tards could have been brought down earlier.

The neighboor hood that has been a "hot bed of previous terrorist activity" known to have sent many to Syria to join the UnIsamic state.
8th guy on the loose had been stopped before and was on suspected terrorist radar.

France has ACLU type faggotry groups that's been whining for *rights* and helping these bomb tards in the process.

[spurraider21]

http://i.imgur.com/oDwfs2H.jpg

[DMX7]

Russia just launched scores of missiles at raqua the ISIS capital also helpind Assad fight ISIS and al quaeda in Aleppo.

Don't believe the CIA mouthpieces called US media. Russians are on the forefront fighting ISIS. Finally the world has joined them

Russia just now finally confirmed that their downed airliner was destroyed by a bomb.

[hater]

France24 Breaking News: France to join Russia in an alliance to fight ISIS :wow

Putin orders his navy to work with france

[hater]

Damn. Putin tells his generals on national TV to treat French as allies

ALPHA NIGA

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't you post links to these stories?

[DisAsTerBot]

lol edit "what a leader" to "Alpha niga" for ST e cred. pathetic tbh

[ChumpDumper]

lol edit "what a leader" to "Alpha niga" for ST e cred. pathetic tbh:lol

[DMX7]

Putin is pragmatic. I'll give him that. He's not half the leader Donald Trump will be, but he is pragmatic none the less.

[hater]

lol edit "what a leader" to "Alpha niga" for ST e cred. pathetic tbh

Huh?

Prove it or STFU :lol

[DMX7]

Huh?

Prove it or STFU :lol

I saw it.

[hater]

You lie!

[DisAsTerBot]

Huh?

Prove it or STFU :lol

from the guy who never posts a link to his "breaking news" ?

[hater]

Regardless niga is ALPHA. no ifs and buts about it

On national TV he told his generals to do shit or else

ALPHA

[Trill Clinton]

http://i66.tinypic.com/jax9i1.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU

[DisAsTerBot]

^stopped listening at false flag attack

[DarrinS]

http://i66.tinypic.com/jax9i1.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU


He started off with a HUGE lie, so I didn't listen to the rest. Lol, millions.

[ChumpDumper]

http://i66.tinypic.com/jax9i1.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TUYou do know what Press TV is, don't you?

[DarrinS]

Feel good video of the day


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkGW4XYM0

[mingus]

http://i66.tinypic.com/jax9i1.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU

Boutons?

[DMX7]

Feel good video of the day


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkGW4XYM0

If it was a mortar, that means it was likely Kurds on the ground. It would be interesting to see what France's air strikes have done.

[Wild Cobra]

Feel good video of the day


How about this one?

Go Russia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXMS3Sxlvg

[Wild Cobra]

How about this one?

Go Russia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXMS3Sxlvg

Whoa....

A mushroom cloud just after 10:20...

[spurraider21]

Does cosmored realize he's ignored like crazy folks on the street talking about the end of days

[HarlemHeat37]

Huh?

Prove it or STFU :lol

:lmao

[DarrinS]

Does cosmored realize he's ignored like crazy folks on the street talking about the end of days

Dude's a moonbat loser

[boutons_deux]

Six Keys To Understanding ISIS's Barbarism, Apocalyptic Vision and Desire for an End Times Battle In Syria

6 Keys to Understanding ISIS' Barbarism, Apocalyptic Vision and Desire for an End-Times Battle In Syria


By Steven Rosenfeld (http://www.alternet.org/authors/steven-rosenfeld) [1] / AlterNet (http://alternet.org/) [2]
November 16, 2015


The latest terrorist attacks by ISIS have changed the 2016 presidential race, sparking a range of predictable reactions across the partisan spectrum, from "Fortress America” stances from Republicans to Democrats pushing to create a new international coalition and combined military response.

But most Americans, especially those running for president, do not really understand what ISIS is about: what they believe and seek, why they are so bloody, how they lure recruits from abroad, and why they are now striking in Paris and Beirut. Last winter, the Atlantic’s Graeme Wood spent weeks with ISIS defenders, sympathetic clerics and academics overseas before writing a revelatory profile (http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/) [3], “What ISIS Really Wants.”

After it was published, Wood asked his sources if he got it mostly right. “In general, they saw the portrayal of ISIS in the Atlantic as one they could recognize,” he said in an interview (http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/) [3]. “They saw it as something that legitimately attempted to portray them in terms they could see and say, ‘Yeah, that’s more or less us.’”

“The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths,” the article’s teaser begins. “It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.”
What follows are six key takeaways from Wood’s reporting, updated from a previous AlterNet report (http://www.alternet.org/investigations/6-incredibly-important-things-everyone-should-know-about-isis) [4].

1. ISIS is Islamic. Very.

There are many experts in the West and the Middle East, from academics to other conservative Islamics, who, like President Obama, have said ISIS is not Islamic or is a twisted distortion of the Muslim faith. That’s wrong. ISIS “follows a distinctive form of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy,” Wood writes, explaining that they are not like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or even Al Queda under bin Laden, but akin to “the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.”

ISIS lives by the most literal translation of the Koran imaginable, as revealed by Mohammed in the seventh century.

A Christian analog would be living under the strict edicts (http://leviticusbans.tumblr.com/) [5] in the Book of Leviticus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Leviticus) [6].

“Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and announcements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationary, and coins, ‘the Prophetic methodology,’ which means following the prophecy and example of Mohammed, in punctilious detail,” Wood writes. “But pretending that it isn’t actually a religion, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combated, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.”

2. ISIS is the most extreme of extremist sects.

Just as there are many flavors of American evangelical extremism, ISIS is on the furthest end of the conservative orthodoxy, in terms of its beliefs, literal interpretation of seventh-century law and punishment, and what’s required of true believers for jihad. Wood said ISIS’ beliefs stem from “a branch of Sunnism called Salafism, after the Arabic al salaf al salih, the ‘pious forefathers.’ These forefathers are the Prophet himself and his earliest adherents, whom Salifis honor and emulate as the models for all behavior including warfare, couture, family life, even dentristy.”

Before ISIS’ emergence, the Sunnis who were best-known conservative followers of the Koran were Saudi Arabians. According to ISIS, the Saudis and 200 million Shiite Muslins—a denomination that developed later—have sinfully departed from seventh-century law. The examples range from having governments that send diplomats to non-Islamic bodies like the United Nations, to Shiites who worship at the graves of revered imams. The departures—like cursing one’s parents under (http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-9.htm) [7] Leviticus—are punishable by death. “Being lax about calling other people apostates” for voting in elections or being Shiites, like most of Iraq, is a capital offense. “So too are the heads of state of every Muslim nation, who have elevated manmade laws above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God,” Wood writes.

3. To ISIS, required punishment; to others, war crimes.

Anyone who followed the news last winter saw ISIS’ horrific videos of beheadings, the burning alive of a captured Jordanian pilot, and the reports of mass executions of men and enslavement of women and children, as well as forcing women to be sex slaves, such as the Yazidis in northwestern Iraq.

Wood writes that ISIS has published scholarly analyses in its magazine, Dabiq, named for an area in Syria near the border with Turkey where it believes an Armageddon-like battle will occur. One article discusses the punishment for the Yazidis “if they are pagans.”

“The article’s anonymous author wrote, ‘Yazidi women and children [are to be] divided according to the Shariah amongst the fighters of the Islamic State who participated in the Sinjar operations…

Enslaving the families of the kuffar and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Shariah that if one were to deny or mock, he would be denying or mocking the verses of the Koran and the narration of the Prophet… and thereby apostatizing from Islam.’”

In other words, ISIS sees its carnage as a prayer and required devotion, not as arguably the worst manifestation of evil on the planet today.

4. Top prophecy: they’re in the battle for end times.

In America, some evangelical Christians are among Israel’s biggest defenders because they believe (http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/End-Times/On-The-Road-To-Armageddon.aspx) [8] it will hasten the end times (http://www.raptureforums.com/Signs/50reasons.cfm) [9] foretold in the biblical Book of Revelation. ISIS believes in an Islamic version of a similar end-times prophecy, of which it is a central actor. This is key to understanding what the terrorist attacks in Paris and Beirut are in part about, which according to Wood is baiting Islam’s enemies to fight them where the end-times battle has been foretold.

Their declaration that the Islamic State is a caliphate, or a state fully enforcing Islamic law—which “had not functioned except in name for about 1,000 years,” Wood writes—is “not just a political entity but also a vehicle for salvation.” States like Saudi Arabia are apostates because they selectively follow Islamic penal codes, but not “the whole package.” In a similar vein, ISIS considers Al Qaeda to be another effort marred by half-measures.

However, declaring and establishing a caliphate, which requires the taking of territory, is only a step. ISIS “already rules an area larger than United Kingdom,” noted Wood, who spoke at length with ISIS supporters in England and Australia. They told him that only that form of government was legitimate—both requiring people be stoned to death for adultery and providing free healthcare, for example. That purity accounts for ISIS’ appeal to foreigners, Wood said, who feel they are not only living marginalized and mundane lives in the West, but want to take part in the epic battle for the end times.

Bin Laden didn’t talk about the apocalypse. But ISIS’ leaders believe that confrontation is coming and they see signs of it everywhere, Wood said. ISIS propaganda is filled with the belief “that the armies of Rome will mass to meet the armies of Islam in northern Syria; and that Islam’s final showdown with an anti-Messiah [taken to be a mix of Iranian and U.S.-led forces] will occur in Jerusalem after a period of renewed Islamic conquest.” ISIS believes the final battle will occur in Dabiq.

“It is here, the Prophet reportedly said, that the armies of Rome will set up their camp. The armies of Islam will meet them, and Dabiq will be Rome’s Waterloo or its Antietam,” Wood writes, citing ISIS videos and magazine articles. “Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalpyse. Western media frequently miss references to Dabiq in the Islamic State’s videos, and focus instead on lurid scenes of beheadings.”

5. ISIS has allure for true believers.

Oddly, the reference to the armies of Rome might be the only place in Wood’s article where ISIS is willing to bend a little for modernity, by saying its great battle with Islam’s last adversaries could be any infidel army. ISIS believes it will win on the plains of Dabiq and sack some western cities, but it will suffer some big losses before the final confrontation that occurs in Israel.

“An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem,” Wood writes. “Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second most revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.” He notes, “The Islamic State has its best and worst days ahead of it.”

All of this may sound like a middle-school dystopian fantasy novel or video game, where archaic heroes and anti-heroes fight for the fate of humanity on a dreary plain. But it’s all too real in the minds of pious ISIS believers, Wood said, and it also explains why ISIS has been able to recruit Muslim seekers and converts from abroad.

These beliefs also mean that “the biggest proponent of an American invasion is the Islamic State itself,” he writes. “The provocative videos, in which a black-hooded executioner addresses President Obama by name, are clearly made to draw America into the fight.”

6. Countering evil in our time.

Clearly the first steps in countering the evils an apocalyptic regime like ISIS presents—mass murder, sexual bondage, child slavery and more—is understanding who and what they are, Wood writes. He does not say what is obvious about the current flock of presidential candidates; that they are mostly clueless about ISIS’ beliefs and strategies, or in the case of the GOP would take the bait and deploy troops anew to western Iraq and Syria.

Wood believes ISIS’ agenda and brutality is not just knowable but predictable.

“The ideological purity of the Islamic State has one compensating virtue: it allows us to predict some of the group’s actions,” he writes. ISIS “has an obligation to terrorize its enemies—a holy order to scare the shit out of them with beheadings and crucifixions and enslavement of women and children, because doing so hastens victory and avoids prolonging conflict,” one ISIS defender explained to him. ISIS’ beliefs also bar it from negotiating with what it sees as heretic governments—which the Taliban did in Afghanistan.

“It’s hard to overstate how hamstrung the Islamic State will be by its radicalism,” Wood writes, saying ISIS uses tactics that are truly terrifying, yet it isn’t a terrorist group. “Al Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate.”

"Former pledges could of course continue to attack the West and behead their enemies, as freelancers,” he continues. “But the propaganda value of the caliphate would disappear, and with it the supposed religious duty to immigrate and serve it. If the United States were to invade, the Islamic State’s obsession with battle at Dabiq suggests that it might send vast resources there, as if in a conventional battle. If the state musters at Dabiq in full force, only to be routed, it might not recover.”

Wood’s profile and analysis are remarkable. But what’s happened since his [I]Atlantic piece appeared in March is equally striking. Last spring, the Iraqi army, backed by a handful of U.S. forces that did not fight in the frontlines, fled from ISIS and abandoned the city of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar Province. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter has since been upbraided by American and Iraqi critics for speaking the apparent truth—that ISIS was more determined, strategic and effective than the Iraqi army.

More recently, ISIS has been losing some territory in western Iraq and has come under attack by some Russian forces and in the past several days, France, in retaliation for its Paris attacks. Meanwhile, Obama has repeated that simply sending in U.S. troops would not lead to lasting gains once they were withdrawn, and has continued to press a mostly covert war in Syria, using special forces and drone assassinations.

But what’s missing in the presidential trail rhetoric—a genuine understanding of ISIS’ goals and beliefs—is disconcerting. A doomsday-driven Islamic regime is staking out an empire and waiting for foreign infidels to invade. The politicians vying to be the next president have offered little that is insightful about how to confront the newest face of evil in our times. The White House’s policy of containment and slowly reversing ISIS’ gain may be slowly working, but it didn’t stop the Paris and Beirut attacks.

Meanwhile, ISIS’ holy war and atrocities continue—mostly in Syria and Iraq beyond Western eyes. As Wood writes, “It is a hermit kingdom; few have gone there and returned.”

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/six-keys-understanding-isiss-barbarism-apocalyptic-vision-and-desire-end-times-battle

[johnsmith]

Does cosmored realize he's ignored like crazy folks on the street talking about the end of days

That's pretty funny. I was wondering the same thing. I wish there was a way to figure out who's shit was skimmed without reading more often, him or Boutons? Gotta be cosmored right?

[spurraider21]

That's pretty funny. I was wondering the same thing. I wish there was a way to figure out who's shit was skimmed without reading more often, him or Boutons? Gotta be cosmored right?
Their credibility is roughly even.

[boutons_deux]

How to Make ISIS Fall on Its Own Sword

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/how-to-make-isis-fall-on-its-own-sword/

[boutons_deux]

The “reason” for the Paris attacks may not have been revenge, nor any shortage of career opportunities in Syria, Libya, Yemen or Iraq.

Instead, the carnage may have been intended to bring “Rome” to Dabiq, a materially unimportant Iraqi village where scenarios of the End Times are to reach their conclusion.

When ISIS, in its statement claiming credit for the Paris bloodshed, hailed the shootings in “Gaul,” it was making reference in keeping with the vocabulary of Muslim apocalyptic writings called the hadith.

The hadith, in all its versions may be apocryphal, but in thought and action, ISIS is the guerrilla army of Muslim End-Times.

Its leader, the self-styled calif Ibrahim Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, may not care, or even notice, whether Raqqa’s taps are wet or dry. He may have ordered the Paris attacks because he read that they would hasten the arrival of Rome to Dabiq, and that once the West arrives in Dabiq’s environs, fate will proceed according to the prophecies. His motives may have had nothing to do with the secular world or with anything measureable. God bespeaks qualitative events, not tallies.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/17/agents-of-the-apocalypse-from-waco-to-isis/

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i66.tinypic.com/jax9i1.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU
:lol watches the same videos as cosmored :lol

[pgardn]

Regardless niga is ALPHA. no ifs and buts about it

On national TV he told his generals to do shit or else

ALPHA


You act as if this is a Junior High school yard and kids are bullying one another. And then put all this BS up about people actually dying like you care. Not only are you an idiot, you are a bipolar idiot. One day, "prayer for the victims" next day a gleeful "shits about to get real"

Just stfu.

[DarrinS]

Anyone else surprised that the type of attack that happened in Paris hasn't happened here, yet?

[spurraider21]

Anyone else surprised that the type of attack that happened in Paris hasn't happened here, yet?
Thank Obama for keeping you safe

[pgardn]

Anyone else surprised that the type of attack that happened in Paris hasn't happened here, yet?

Europe is easier.

So not really. We had Boston which seems the way to go. No real network.

[DarrinS]

Europe is easier.

So not really. We had Boston which seems the way to go. No real network.


Is our intel better than EU?

[hater]

You act as if this is a Junior High school yard and kids are bullying one another. And then put all this BS up about people actually dying like you care. Not only are you an idiot, you are a bipolar idiot. One day, "prayer for the victims" next day a gleeful "shits about to get real"

Just stfu.

True leaders succeed. In real life. Not schoolyard. You are an ignorant fool on real life world matters.

[spurraider21]

Turkish soccer fans booing and chanting allahu akbar during "moment of silence" in friendly match

http://blog.sfgate.com/soccer/2015/11/17/turkey-soccer-fans-boo-minute-of-silence-for-paris-attacks/


Scum of the earth doing scum of the earth things.

[hater]

Turkish soccer fans booing and chanting allahu akbar during "moment of silence" in friendly match

http://blog.sfgate.com/soccer/2015/11/17/turkey-soccer-fans-boo-minute-of-silence-for-paris-attacks/


Scum of the earth doing scum of the earth things.

:lmao NATO member and US ally :lol

:lol obama

:lol ISIS oil salesmen

[hater]

Lol article saying "many fans" when it was basically the entire stadium

[pgardn]

Is our intel better than EU?

Proximity makes Europe easier.
Paris already has had Muslim riots out in the poorer exterior neighborhoods.
So I don't see it as a surprise. There is a very large Muslim population in France that has a history of feeling disenfranchised.

[HarlemHeat37]

Lol article saying "many fans" when it was basically the entire stadium

:lol ya, unless somebody turned the volume up to max on that video, it sounds pretty overwhelming..

[DarrinS]

I know a lot of people hate this guy, but somewhat prophetic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxxZU7yfAc

[DarrinS]

French security forces in gun battle in northern Paris


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJDEUmy7Wzk

[Ditty]

CNN reporting that a source is telling them that Abdelhamid Abaaoud is dead.

[TDMVPDPOY]

US and aus or the allies dont want to put soldiers on the ground

but why not park all your navy fleets on its coastline and just pummel them to the dark ages, or wait its already a shit hole...

[Mal]

Now France wants Poland to send their troops to fucking Africa, to fucking french ex-colony, meanwhile bullshiting that "those were frenchmens who killed frenchmens". Hypocrisy at it best.

[MultiTroll]

CNN reporting that a source is telling them that Abdelhamid Abaaoud is dead.
Now saying it may or may not be him.
But either way, raid nabs 7 of the psychos and it may include him.

Bravo, French police!
Saying the above asstard and his fellow brainwashed were about ready to move on another operation.

[boutons_deux]

An Apocalyptic Death Cult Has Its Limits

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
—Voltaire

Years before Navy Seals killed Osama bin Laden, this column argued that al Qaeda was capable of “theatrical acts of mass murder,” but was not a military threat to the United States.

The phrase infuriated some readers. Back then tough guys talked about fighting “Islamofascism,” supposedly a totalitarian ideology linking bitter enemies such as Iran and al Qaeda (but never Saudi Arabia, where the oil and money are, and where almost all the 9/11 conspirators originated) in an alliance to destroy Western Civilization.

Nobody says that any more.

My point was simple. Fascism was a poor analogy. Pundits’ Churchillian fantasies aside, what made Nazism “uniquely dangerous wasn’t merely Hitler’s hypnotic ideology. It was German militarism and hyper-nationalism run amok.

Islamic extremists control none of the world’s 60-odd Muslim-majority nations. They have no army, air force or navy. They pose no military threat to the integrity of the United States or any Western nation.”

Nor does ISIS, al Qaeda’s more flamboyant and equally murderous rival. Last week’s appalling atrocities in Paris, Beirut, and Egypt underscored that reality in the bloodiest possible way. Almost everybody anticipates similar attacks in the United States. We must pray that they fail. However, as President Obama has said, a terrorist willing to die can murder innocents in restaurants as easily as in Connecticut classrooms.

Yet for all the fury and despair these attacks have evoked—I think of a little Parisian girl named Charlotte and her family—ISIS cannot and will not prevail. It’s less a political movement than an apocalyptic death cult, and definitely not an existential threat to the United States, France, or Russia.

Sane leaders would know better than to antagonize three of the world’s most powerful military establishments at once.

ISIS’s self-anointed “Caliph,” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is not that kind of leader. Think David Koresh or Jim Jones with a militia and a Koran instead of a Bible. Theologically, ISIS is to Islam as the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity, by which I mean they’re a crackpot, deviant sect. But they’re even crazier than that.

Madness, however, has never prevented cult leaders from gaining an enraptured following. If anything, the converse appears true.

It’s a fact of life Orwell recognized in a 1940 review of Hitler’sMein Kampf: “Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them, ‘I offer you struggle, danger, and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.”

Writing in The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/), Graeme Wood explains ISIS’s hypnotic appeal to dispossessed and humiliated young men:

During the last years of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, the Islamic State’s immediate founding fathers…saw signs of the end times everywhere.

They were anticipating, within a year, the arrival of the Mahdi—a messianic figure destined to lead the Muslims to victory before the end of the world….

For certain true believers—the kind who long for epic good-versus-evil battles—visions of apocalyptic bloodbaths fulfill a deep psychological need.


It almost goes without saying that you can’t make treaties with such people. They can only be defeated.

The question is how? And at what cost?

Confronted with a newly belligerent press corps in Turkey recently, President Obama spoke mockingly about taking action that would “somehow in the abstract make America look tough or make me look tough.”

“When you listen to what [GOP candidates] actually have to say,” the president said, “what they’re proposing, most of the time when pressed they describe things that we’re already doing. Maybe they’re not aware that we’re already doing them. Some of them seem to think that if I were just more bellicose in expressing what we’re doing, that that would make a difference, because that seems to be the only thing that they’re doing, is talking as if they’re tough.”

Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/return-warblogs) blogger Kevin Drum went down the list of the GOP candidates’ suggestions, but found nothing new:

There’s a lot we can do to defeat ISIS, and most of it we’re already doing.

Airstrikes? Check.

Broad coalition? Check.

Working with Arab allies? Check.

Engage with Sunni tribal leaders? Check.

Embed with the Iraqi military? Check.

There’s more we could do, but often it’s contradictory.

You want to arm the Kurds and create a partnership with the Iraqi government? Good luck.

You want to defeat Assad and ISIS? You better pick one.

You want to avoid a large American ground force and you want to win the war fast? Not gonna happen.


Yes, Obama’s “red line” in Syria was a strategic blunder; his “junior varsity” remark was cocky and ill-advised. Also, Vladimir Putin’s right: The Assad government’s bad, but ISIS is far worse.

However, ISIS has turned to terror because it’s gradually losing the ground war, and the Caliphate is shrinking.

La belle France is not.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-apocalyptic-death-cult-has-its-limits/#

[hater]

I somewhat agree that ISIS is still a ragtag army. They are getting help from al qaeda IMO and certain governments Intelligence Agencies. They also losing the war at the.moment and have been since Russia came in.

Truth is France got caught with its pants down. How in the hell the French government is avoiding criticism is beyond me

[boutons_deux]

Truth is France got caught with its pants down. How in the hell the French government is avoiding criticism is beyond me

America gets caught with its pants down with repeated mass slaughters in schools, theatres, churches. How you rightwingnuts avoid criticizing (white) America is beyond me.

[hater]

Well intercepting lone wolf attacks is next to impossible. But a highly organized terrorist attack shouldn't be IMO not in this day and age.

[DarrinS]

Here come the passport truthers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paris-attacks-second-fugitive_564b5852e4b08cda348aac73

[boutons_deux]

Here come the passport truthers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paris-attacks-second-fugitive_564b5852e4b08cda348aac73

Darrin is terrified of refugees, because the Repugs lied to him

[DarrinS]

Darrin is terrified of refugees, because the Repugs lied to him

There's more practical places for these refugees to go.

[boutons_deux]

There's more practical places for these refugees to go.

your heartfelt sympathy for the refugees' practicality is wonderful.

How "practical" do you think it is for European countries to accept, finance, care for, house, feed 100Ks of Repug refugees while you rightwingnuts refuse to accept ANY Repug refugees?

[DarrinS]

How "practical" do you think it is for European countries to accept, finance, care for, house, feed 100Ks of refugees?




Just raise everyone's taxes. -B.Sanders

[pgardn]

Well intercepting lone wolf attacks is next to impossible. But a highly organized terrorist attack shouldn't be IMO not in this day and age.

So when Chechens used coordinated bombers in various Moscow sites this was...
When a bomb was planted right under the nose of the Russians and Egyptians this was...

No country that is free is immune. So Russia and China should be less vulnerable, But not immune.

Boots and Hater both fail to realize this problem arises from on major theme: The rights of the individual v. The rights of the society. Freedom/privacy of the individual come under attack when a society is punished for not knowing everything about individuals. Individuals then suffer a backlash from extended surveillance powers granted to the state. This pendulum has been rocking back and forth in democratic societies for a long time.

And it is discussed in democracies, but escapes our resident propagandists. Hater and Boots are just like religious nuts. They want clear answers, obvious right and wrong, and will apply their need for a binary world to ANY difficult situation. This type of simplistic analysis, this almost religious zealotry, is the worst kind of thinking.

[ChumpDumper]

There's more practical places for these refugees to go.What do you mean by "practical"?

[DarrinS]

What do you mean by "practical"?

Geographically closer

[ChumpDumper]

Geographically closerSince when has that been a consideration?

[Wild Cobra]

There's more practical places for these refugees to go.

Didn't China build several cities that have no residents?

[DarrinS]

To understand what's happening we have to have things in the proper context. It's not that easy with all the paid liars and obfuscators* on the internet. I listen to anti-establishment pundits. Here's something I came across.



Irony alert

[Mal]

Since when has that been a consideration?

Since those are supposedly refugees running away from war. They need peace, they can find peace in Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Dont have go to Germany.

[boutons_deux]

Since those are supposedly refugees running away from war. They need peace, they can find peace in Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Dont have go to Germany.

any countries gonna pay Turkey to support the Repug refugees? American Repugs sure won't.

[ChumpDumper]

Since those are supposedly refugees running away from war. They need peace, they can find peace in Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Dont have go to Germany.Turkey is full. After four years sitting in a tent in Turkey, families are looking for a plan B -- like making a living, etc.

And the US took in 85,000 Iraqis in the past seven years and 200,000 Vietnamese before that, so the distance argument doesn't fly.

Hell, 10,000 Polish refugees ended up in Mexico during WW2.

[Splits]

Here come the passport truthers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paris-attacks-second-fugitive_564b5852e4b08cda348aac73

So far the "truthers" is the German interior minister. But what if he's right? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/22a0f686-8c74-11e5-a549-b89a1dfede9b.html


Ahmad al Mohammad, 25

A Syrian passport in that name was found near the body of one of the men who detonated a suicide vest at the stadium. Fingerprints from the body matched those of a man who entered Greece via the island of Leros as an asylum seeker in early October, Greek authorities say. He is said to have travelled through Turkey, Serbia and Croatia on his way to Paris.

The passport belonged to a Syrian soldier of the President Bashar al-Assad regime who died several months ago, with media reports suggesting there are as many as eight people using that ID. We therefore do not know the real identity of this bomber.

On Tuesday, Thomas de Maiziere, German interior minister, said authorities were still investigating the passport and that it was “by no means certain” that it belonged to a refugee sent by Isis to Europe. It might be a “clever chess move by Isis to lay this trail and so unsettle people,” he said.

All of the known attackers were French or Belgian. Some were not on any lists and could have entered this country without even a visa. But yeah, let's demonize lolSyrian refugees.

[boutons_deux]

Darrin hates anybody who is not white, male, "native born" American. Everybody else is at best 2nd class, which is your standard American male attitude.

[DarrinS]

Darrin hates anybody who is not white, male, "native born" American. Everybody else is at best 2nd class, which is your standard American male attitude.


You forgot Christian, hetero, and cisgendered (why we needed a word for "normal", I don't know). :lol

[Mal]

Hell, 10,000 Polish refugees ended up in Mexico during WW2.

There were polish refugees, there were polish soldiers.

Most of so called refugees are young males. They are not fighting any site. Then again, if it wasnt for US, Saudis, Asad would have won long time ago. No war, no refugees.

[ChumpDumper]

There were polish refugees, there were polish soldiers.No, they were regular Poles.


Most of so called refugees are young males.Not overall. You read too much propaganda.

[Mal]

No, they were regular Poles.

I`m not saying that polish soldiers got to Mexico. Poland was fucked badly by allies in WWII. Whoever fought with allies on western battlefields couldn`t go back to Poland, we was in danger along with his families. Some made to Mexico, some stayed in Britain, some went to US. Please do not try to compare what happend to Poland in WWII and after to what is happening in Syria.



Not overall. You read too much propaganda.


Propaganda is saying that there are women and children from Syria. Stats says that most of them are males, not from Syria. You can see lot of movies of those migrants. You won`t see much of women and children.

[ChumpDumper]

I`m not saying that polish soldiers got to Mexico. Poland was fucked badly by allies in WWII. Whoever fought with allies on western battlefields couldn`t go back to Poland, we was in danger along with his families. Some made to Mexico, some stayed in Britain, some went to US. Please do not try to compare what happend to Poland in WWII and after to what is happening in Syria.Why not? There was a war and people needed to move away from it. What is the difference?


Propaganda is saying that there are women and children from Syria. Stats says that most of them are males, not from Syria. You can see lot of movies of those migrants. You won`t see much of women and children.Again, those are stats solely for the ones making the rather perilous trip to Europe. The stats of the millions of refugees in the camps are very different. Only focusing on one set of stats is propaganda.

[Mal]

Why not? There was a war and people needed to move away from it. What is the difference?

I`ve just got to read about this story. Firstly I thought it was after the war, but 1,5k people to Mexico happend in 1943. So you are right, situation is comparable


Again, those are stats solely for the ones making the rather perilous trip to Europe. The stats of the millions of refugees in the camps are very different. Only focusing on one set of stats is propaganda.


Migrants pouring to Europe rarely have something in common with war, Syria and being women or children. When lots of young males come to Europe, there won`t be place for those war refugess from camps that you are reffering too.

Camps conditions are tough, but nobody is truly talking about diseases that can be spread by those imigrants. Saying something, even about checking their health is being called as racist. Europe can`t take those people. Their place is in Syria, Asad`s or not.

[DMX7]

I know a lot of people hate this guy, but somewhat prophetic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxxZU7yfAc

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a20086/glenn-beck-2014-predictions/

He made a lot of predictions.

[hater]

Except ISIS attacked Russia first

[Nbadan]

Fingerprints now reveal that TWO of the Paris suicide bombers had entered Europe through Greece a month before the attacks

EXCERPT:


Fingerprints have revealed that two of the Stade de France suicide bombers had entered Europe through Greece last month.

The France v Germany friendly international football match was abandoned after three jihadists blew themselves up outside the ground, as part of a number of attacks in Paris which killed 130 people.

Two of the bombers were Ahmed al Mohammad and Bilal Hafdi. The third person has not been identified.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3327928/Fingerprints-reveal-TWO-Paris-suicide-bombers-entered-Europe-Greece-month-attacks.html

[boutons_deux]

All of the the mass murderers in the USA entered the country through an American vagina decades before the attacks. Sleeper cells.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Skip to 2:20 for a glimpse into the silent peaceful majority.

bV710c1dgpU

[MultiTroll]

Skip to 2:20 for a glimpse into the silent peaceful majority.
:lol dat background music.

Farking psychos.
SA how many of them are closet homo's and or if straight would fornicate 10 times out of 10 given the opportunity for smokin hot Syrian chick offering up some action?
Or are they like coons and the hot white chick is their kryptonite?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Fingerprints now reveal that TWO of the Paris suicide bombers had entered Europe through Greece a month before the attacks

EXCERPT:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3327928/Fingerprints-reveal-TWO-Paris-suicide-bombers-entered-Europe-Greece-month-attacks.html

http://i.imgur.com/klUhXb7.jpg

[rmt]

Skip to 2:20 for a glimpse into the silent peaceful majority.

bV710c1dgpU

So they all believe in punishment such as stoning for adultery, that men and women should sit separate, support death penalty for gays, subjugate women - how come the media never reports these general views that every Muslim believes in? I need to send this video to Obama and Hillary.

[RandomGuy]

This makes sense.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-paris-terror-attacks-and-911-similar-evidence-makes-it-suspicious/5490212
(excerpt)
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First, Syrian and Egyptian passports from two of the suicide bombers were found at the scene of the stadium attack in the northern part of the city. After both suspected terrorists detonated their explosive devices, their passports were still found.
This brings us back to the September 11th terror attacks where U.S. officials recovered a passport intact a few blocks from the World Trade Center which did belong to one of the hijackers, ‘Satam Al Suqami’. When the American airlines flight 11 crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center, 10,000 gallons of fuel erupted into a ball of fire which supposedly brought down the tower. However, Suqami’s passport was found proving who was behind the attacks. It is a coincidence that a passport was found in Paris in the same manner as the tragic event of the September 11th attacks. It is convenient for investigators to produce evidence with passports they find by indentifying suspected terrorists usually who are from the Middle East. The government of Francois Hollande has already retaliated to “fight those same terrorists” because the passports prove where the terrorists came from, in this case, Syria and Egypt.
---------------------------------------------

The passports being found is not conclusive proof of a false flag operation but it does seem kind of strange. After all, we know that 9/11 was a false flag operation through clear proof...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201736&page=35&p=8216856&viewfull=1#post8216856

...and a passport was found a few blocks away from the World Trade Center; that seems to be one of the hallmarks of a false flag operation.


There are lots of Arabians who would love to carry out a terrorist attack such as the Paris shootings. If it was indeed a false flag operation, they probably sent an agent out to find some fanatical Muslims to carry it out and then organized it while the secret service let it happen. I doubt any agents did any actual shooting.

Never let a good tragedy go to waste, eh? Every time something horrible happens, the first thing that springs to your mind is how to exploit it, always by creating another implausible conspiracy theory to sucker the next generation of crazies into the nest.

[Spurminator]

Never let a good tragedy go to waste, eh? Every time something horrible happens, the first thing that springs to your mind is how to exploit it, always by creating another implausible conspiracy theory to sucker the next generation of crazies into the nest.

I think you're giving him too much credit by suggesting he has anything to do with "creating" these conspiracies. He's a mindless echo with Internet access.

[spurraider21]

:cry it's france's fault for intervening in the middle east!!

:cry stop victim blaming

[boutons_deux]

general views that every Muslim believes in?

You Lie, obviously, by speaking for 1B+ Muslims

[RandomGuy]

I think you're giving him too much credit by suggesting he has anything to do with "creating" these conspiracies. He's a mindless echo with Internet access.

True that. A hollow echo of the paranoid id.

[Nbadan]

I don't know what Cosmered intentions are....perhaps he believes the stuff he posts here, perhaps not.....but he is a poison pill to conspiracy theories....

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/explosives-found-packages-loaded-flight-bound-u-s-article-1.2445969

Egypt: explosives found in packages bound for US

[MultiTroll]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/explosives-found-packages-loaded-flight-bound-u-s-article-1.2445969

Egypt: explosives found in packages bound for US
Meanwhile, a suicide car bombing killed seven people at a hotel in Egypt’s Sinai region. Among those killed were two judges and four police officers. An ISIS affiliate in Sinai took responsibility for the attack.
The attack began as cops and soldiers guarding the hotel opened fire on an explosives-laden car approaching the building, blowing it up before it reached the hotel, officials said.
As the drama unfolded outside, two militants slipped inside the hotel. One detonated an explosives vest in the hotel's kitchen, while the second opened fire in a hotel room.
Military authorities said all militants involved in the attack were killed, but gave no other details.

[hater]

Why attack Cosmo? It's a fair question. How do you find intact passport of someone that blew themselves up??

[MultiTroll]

Why attack Cosmo? It's a fair question. How do you find intact passport of someone that blew themselves up??
I read the UnIslamic Daesh bomb squad could well have dropped it there themselves. To try to send message "look how easy we can beat your screening system". Sorry didn't link.

[hater]

I read the UnIslamic Daesh bomb squad could well have dropped it there themselves. To try to send message "look how easy we can beat your screening system". Sorry didn't link.

Exactly. And it could have been a fake/stolen passport. And I don't see why this can't be compared to finding that passport in NYC at 9/11.

[MultiTroll]

And it could have been a fake/stolen passport.
For misdirection purposes, yes.

I'm sure some of the retards from foreign countries that have joined Daesh have given input how to jerk the system.

[spurraider21]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/explosives-found-packages-loaded-flight-bound-u-s-article-1.2445969

Egypt: explosives found in packages bound for US
i click the link and the article title says: "Explosive not found in parcels on flight headed for U.S."

[TheSanityAnnex]

i click the link and the article title says: "Explosive not found in parcels on flight headed for U.S."
Yeah the updated it. Good to hear.

[ChumpDumper]

lol

[Nbadan]

Why attack Cosmo? It's a fair question. How do you find intact passport of someone that blew themselves up??

Satam al-Suqami...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Satam_al-Suqami_VISA.jpg/220px-Satam_al-Suqami_VISA.jpg


Suqami's passport was found by a passerby (identity unknown), reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street,[8] before the towers collapsed.[9] (This was mistakenly reported by many news outlets to be Mohamed Atta's passport.)[citation needed][10] A columnist for the British newspaper The Guardian expressed incredulity about the authenticity of this report,[11] questioning whether a paper passport could survive the inferno unsinged when the plane's black boxes were never found. According to testimony before the 9/11 Commission by lead counsel Susan Ginsburg, his passport had been "manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda."[9] Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al-Ghamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 as well as an airphone.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami

[Nbadan]

Ziad Jarrah...

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/custom/jarrah.jpg

[Nbadan]

Saeed al-Ghamdi...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Saeed_al-GhamdiPass_Visa.jpg/220px-Saeed_al-GhamdiPass_Visa.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Satam al-Suqami...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Satam_al-Suqami_VISA.jpg/220px-Satam_al-Suqami_VISA.jpg



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-SuqamiAre you saying the ID was planted, dan?

[ChumpDumper]

Ziad Jarrah...

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/custom/jarrah.jpgAre you saying these IDs were planted, dan?

[ChumpDumper]

Saeed al-Ghamdi...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Saeed_al-GhamdiPass_Visa.jpg/220px-Saeed_al-GhamdiPass_Visa.jpgAre you saying this ID was planted, dan?

[Nbadan]

Another 911 coincidink....

[ChumpDumper]

Are you saying the ID was planted, dan?


Are you saying these IDs were planted, dan?


Are you saying this ID was planted, dan?Well?

A simple yes or no will do.

[Winehole23]

terrorist attacks in Paris in the 1980s: http://adst.org/2015/01/dark-times-in-the-city-of-lights/

[pgardn]

The real fruitbat infestation is underway...

[hater]

Hey Cosmo. Check out consortiumnews. The blog of the journalist that initially uncovered Reagans IranContra shenanigans.

Dude tells it like it is. Although he seems to believe Obama is not really a part of it. I guess he is like boutons in that sense :lol

But other than that. A brutal blog

[Winehole23]

preventive detention of climate change activists under emergency laws:


At least 24 climate activists have been put under house arrest by French police, accused of flouting a ban on organising protests during next week’s Paris climate summit (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/02/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-paris-climate-summit-and-un-talks), the Guardian has learned.

One legal adviser to the activists said many officers raided his Paris (http://www.theguardian.com/world/paris) apartment and occupied three floors and a staircase in his block.


French authorities did not respond to requests for comment but lawyers said that the warrants were issued under state of emergency laws, imposed after the terror attacks that killed 130 people earlier this month.
The author and climate change campaigner, Naomi Klein, accused French authorities of “a gross abuse of power that risks turning the summit into a farce”.


“Climate summits are not photo opportunities to boost the popularity of politicians,” she told the Guardian. “Given the stakes of the climate crisis, they are by their nature highly contested. That is democracy, messy as it may be. The French government, under cover of anti-terrorism laws, seems to be trying to avoid this, shamefully banning peaceful demonstrations and using emergency powers to pre-emptively detain key activists.”


Since Thursday, three people have been placed under house arrest in Rens, two in Paris, two in Rouen and one in Lyons, according to campaigners (https://paris-luttes.info/suivi-de-la-mobilisation-contre-la-4312?lang=fr). They may now only leave their houses to sign a post office register verifying their whereabouts, three times a day.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/27/paris-climate-activists-put-under-house-arrest-using-emergency-laws