I didn't realize Parker was averaging more points and assists PER 36 than Patty...

[SASdynasty!]

The way you guys make it sound, the reason Parker outscores and out-assists Patty is because he gets more minutes. Apparently not, as this season Parker is scoring more PER 36 and assisting more PER 36...and shooting better from the field. AND he plays against first units...

Mills PER 36: 13.9 PTS, 4.4 AST, 48% shooting
Parker PER 36: 16.0 PTS, 4.7 AST, 54% shooting

Edit: Actually, now that I go back and look at it, this is basically every season!

2014-15:

Mills PER 36: 15.8 PTS, 3.9 AST, 38% shooting
Parker PER 36: 18.0 PTS, 6.2 AST, 49% shooting

2013-14:

Mills PER 36: 19.5 PTS, 3.5 AST, 46% shooting
Parker PER 36: 20.4 PTS, 7.0 AST, 50% shooting

2012-13:

Mills PER 36: 16.1 PTS, 3.4 AST, 47% shooting
Parker PER 36: 22.2 PTS, 8.3 AST, 52% shooting

2011-12:

Mills PER 36: 22.8 PTS, 5.4 AST, 49% shooting
Parker PER 36: 20.5 PTS, 8.7 AST, 48% shooting

[Clipper Nation]

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[RD2191]

http://i.imgur.com/vWv0svK.png

:lmao

[Mikeanaro]

Come on this is getting old, as of now Patty has a better overall impact, this TP pride parades are not helping and he is accepting a new role so let the Enrique go.

[SASdynasty!]

Come on this is getting old, as of now Patty has a better overall impact, this TP pride parades are not helping and he is accepting a new role so let the Enrique go.
I'm just saying, you guys act like Mills makes so much more of an impact, when every season he produces less in his minutes against second-stringers than Parker does against starters.

[cjw]

I'm just saying, you guys act like Mills makes so much more of an impact, when every season he produces less in his minutes against second-stringers than Parker does against starters.

I've given up too. Make any pro-positive, anti-Leonard, etc. point in this forum and you get skewered.

[TheGreatYacht]

Short bus talking about semen, while OP is dropping truth nukes.

MVParker is still our second best player behind LMAlpha

[ChumpDumper]

Short bus talking about semen, while OP is dropping truth nukes.

MVParker is still our second best player behind LMAlpha
Nah, but it does reflect the general derangement of the krew. You just do the same from the opposite position.

[rasuo214]

Points and assists are nice for the stat line but there are plenty of other factors in determining who is the better player (not saying Patty is). For instance who plays better defense or who is a better fit with the starters etc. Personally I don't have a problem with how Parker has played, yea his defense isn't good and sometimes the ball movement sticks when he's in but that isn't anything new.

[TheGreatYacht]

Op's point is even more on point when you consider the fact that Green is shooting worse than Harden and Kobe, while Patty plays with Manu who is on fire atm. MVParker is still getting his dimes :wow

[ElNono]

sup Bruno

[MultiTroll]

The way you guys make it sound, the reason Parker outscores and out-assists Patty is because he gets more minutes. Apparently not, as this season Parker is scoring more PER 36 and assisting more PER 36...and shooting better from the field. AND he plays against first units...
A three pointer is worth more then a two pointer, Porkchop.
Effective field goal percentage.

Patty is second on the team even with his terrible shooting night last night. But he came thru in the clutch.

Parkers improvement over last year is encouraging. Of course all he could do is improve.

[timtonymanu]

http://i.imgur.com/vWv0svK.png

:lmao

[dabom]

What about defense?

[dabom]

Points and assists are nice for the stat line but there are plenty of other factors in determining who is the better player (not saying Patty is). For instance who plays better defense or who is a better fit with the starters etc. Personally I don't have a problem with how Parker has played, yea his defense isn't good and sometimes the ball movement sticks when he's in but that isn't anything new.

[K...]

What about defense?

Neither is good at it. But we got wing stop.

[apalisoc_9]

http://i.imgur.com/vWv0svK.png

:lol

[DAF86]

Well, Tony is a Hall of famer PG with more offensive responsibilities, he better score and assist more per 36 than our reserve PG, tbh. :lol

[FkLA]

4.7 APG per 36 is just terrible

That's like 4th or 5th best on the team :lol

[SASdynasty!]

4.7 APG per 36 is just terrible

That's like 4th or 5th best on the team :lol
Well, it's better than our other "point guards" (Patty: 4.4, McCallum: 1.2)

[TheGreatYacht]

4.7 APG per 36 is just terrible

That's like 4th or 5th best on the team :lol
What does Kawhobe, our max player, leader in MPG, average? :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Well, it's better than our other "point guards" (Patty: 4.4, McCallum: 1.2)

McCallum; dude sucks. I remember people being excited that we gave away a second for him.

[FkLA]

Well good think Kawhi and MVPaddy are skilled at other things.

P:oinkrker OTOH brings shit defense and a broke jumper to the table.

[Russo21]

Assists are a very hard stat to judge in the Spurs system. Now if 'Hockey Assists' were a stat i'm sure Duncan would have just about led the league for most of the last 19 years but his highest average was only 3.9. Bottom line, Spurs are 7-2 while having only played 3 games at home and you can't gauge a players teamwork based on assist numbers alone as the Spurs tend to make that 'extra pass'. I was wondering when we traded Cojo if we should have traded Mills instead as Cojo is a more willing assistor even though i like Patty more as a player. They made the right decision and even though or PG's aren't true PG's like a Nash or a Kidd they are both doing a very good job. So assists don't mean much in this system because of the 'extra pass' they are praised for.

[T_L_P]

Short bus talking about semen, while OP is dropping truth nukes.

MVParker is still our second best player behind LMAlpha

Kawhi, Manu and Duncan have been our clear-cut top 3 players this year.

[SupremeGuy]

http://i.imgur.com/vWv0svK.png:rollin

[TheGreatYacht]

matty Barnes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KiwISO
:tu

[dabom]

http://i.imgur.com/vWv0svK.png

:tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Short bus talking about semen, while OP is dropping truth nukes.

MVParker is still our second best player behind LMAlpha

[Silver&Black]

Nah, but it does reflect the general derangement of the krew. You just do the same from the opposite position.

:worthy: Chump....

My nigga.

[dabom]

ChumpDumper

[dabom]

ChumpDumper 2

[dabom]

Does anyone think if I say his name a third time he appears? :lol

[bic50]

Kawhi, Manu and Duncan have been our clear-cut top 3 players this year.

This. And I don't even hate parker or anything but it's sad watching idiots like thegreatfraud trying it's best to turn the forum against kawhi. What a clown.

[Fireball]

Does anyone think if I say his name a third time he appears? :lol

I sacrificed a sheep to make you disappear ... that did not work either

[dabom]

Feel bad for that sheep now tbh.

[travis2]

I sacrificed a sheep to make you disappear ... that did not work either

Maybe you should have given him the sheep instead...

[dabom]

ChumpDumper 3 sup.

[K...]

ChumpDumper 3 sup.

Sup, you watching tonight game? You can catch three quarters before your bed time.


Seriously, don't you have something better to do rather than play forum troll.can you tell me how you disagree with op?

[dabom]

Sup, you watching tonight game? You can catch three quarters before your bed time.


Seriously, don't you have something better to do rather than play forum troll.can you tell me how you disagree with op?

82 games in the season. I can't watch all of them. I watch around like 70+ a year. Yeah I'll be watching this game though.

Little bored this morning. Slow morning. Also funny you always protect your friend(OP). :lol Both of ya french right?

Anyways, the premise of this thread was to show how Parker is better than Patty but that POV is wrong.

OP casually ignores how Tony sucks. I've seen Tony last year healthy play minutes with the second unit(something like manu beli and parker for an extended time)and was supposed to be an offensive juggernaut but instead they just got owned so bad and they couldn't score shit either. That was the end of that.

Kinda going off in a tangent. Just wanted to point out that Tony to the bench is a bigger catastrophe than playing with the first unit. Parker is getting the Kobe treatment but with a REAL team around him.

If you thought tony's advance stats look bad on the Spurs, imagine it 3 times worse on the bench.

Don't know where I'm going with this. Just need parker to do less and play less minutes for the sake of this franchise.

[eric365]

Honestly if you have to use stats to argue that Parker > Mills, It just prove even more how much Tony has regressed

I don't blame him, He did everything he could. He had a solid 15 years career, more than a lot of hofer and had a great 12' and 13' peak

[DJR210]

http://i.imgur.com/vWv0svK.png

:rollin

[Kawhitstorm]

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050815/050815_pigsqueal_hmed_8a.grid-6x2.jpg

[SASdynasty!]

Honestly if you have to use stats to argue that Parker > Mills, It just prove even more how much Tony has regressed

I don't blame him, He did everything he could. He had a solid 15 years career, more than a lot of hofer and had a great 12' and 13' peak
Agreed to some degree, but just more or less responding to this "idea" (and that's all it is) that Mills scores more than Parker for the limited minutes he gets. That's just not true (but it sounds good and some people have started to actually believe it). The assists thing is pretty obvious, we all know Patty is not a true PG (neither is Parker for that matter, but Patty is really a SG that we use at PG). All that to say that I had actually started to believe that in Parker's regression, he was scoring less than Patty per minute, so I was pretty surprised actually to realize he wasnt (and really never has).