What is becoming of our kids?

[rmt]

Today my son told me that only 4 kids in his class even stand up when the pledge of allegiance is recited in the morning. There is no "under God" said over the intercom although the 4 kids who stand say, "under God." In this class, only 2 kids (my son and one other) are American born - the rest were born in other countries, but raised here. I posted a video of the girl leading a movement for free public college, cancellation of all student debt and $15 minimum wage for campus jobs, and I wonder what is becoming of our kids.

Is it that they feel so entitled to free breakfast, free lunch, - that now they want free tuition, no student debt? And not standing for the pledge of allegiance - is there no patriotism, no respect for the flag, no appreciation for those who have fought for the freedom that we enjoy? I'm just shaking my head at what is to become of the next generation.

One thing I am glad of is that the NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military.

[ElNono]

First world problems, tbh

[baseline bum]

They're probably too fucking fat to stand for 30 seconds tbh

[hater]

First world problems, tbh

:lol truth bomb

Meanwhile 3 billion parents around the world are worried about securing their kids next meal

[ChumpDumper]

The pledge shouldn't have God in it. The socialists who wrote it didn't include it and it wasn't until the second red scare that Congress panic added God.

OTOH, we all used to salute like fascists of one stripe or another...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_ with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg http://rexcurry.net/military-salute-socialism-pledge-allegiance.jpg

...so I guess one may argue against tradition.

[rmt]

The pledge shouldn't have God in it. The socialists who wrote it didn't include it and it wasn't until the second red scare that Congress panic added God.

OTOH, we all used to salute like fascists of one stripe or another...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_ with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg http://rexcurry.net/military-salute-socialism-pledge-allegiance.jpg

...so I guess one may argue against tradition.

They leave out the "under God" over the intercom. It's the NOT standing I object to - they don't have to say it but at least, stand. I guess it bugs me that they don't believe the words of the pledge - even with all its problems, it's still the best place to live in the world - the place with the most freedom and liberty. This is what I worry about - when immigrants don't assimilate and become Americans. Our traditions and customs - what makes us American - disappear.

[Nbadan]

I call BS.....kids stand during the pledge and say 'under God'.....but how many adults do every single day?

[boutons_deux]

what does "allegiance" mean to kid, or even to an adult? pledge allegiance? it's all bullshit, indoctrination of kids not yet at the age of reason, knowing not what they do

[Nbadan]

Yep...kids could give a shit really....they might as well be reciting Dr. Seuss over the intercom tbh....

[rmt]

I call BS.....kids stand during the pledge and say 'under God'.....but how many adults do every single day?

I'm just relaying what happens in this classroom at this school - believe or not as you wish. Adults don't have morning announcements - they're off getting their coffee.

[Nbadan]

I'm just relaying what happens in this classroom at this school - believe or not as you wish. Adults don't have morning announcements - they're off getting their coffee.

But, what if every company had the same expectations we have for schools.....US pledge, TX pledge and a moment of silence...How many adults would do it everyday?

[ChumpDumper]

They leave out the "under God" over the intercom. It's the NOT standing I object to - they don't have to say it but at least, stand. I guess it bugs me that they don't believe the words of the pledge - even with all its problems, it's still the best place to live in the world - the place with the most freedom and liberty. This is what I worry about - when immigrants don't assimilate and become Americans. Our traditions and customs - what makes us American - disappear.I guess. we have only been saying the pledge for 70 years or so. Getting some distance on the Cold War makes me see just what a paranoid time it was for the US where things like the pledge litany seem less tradition and more indoctrination.

[Blake]

In this class, only 2 kids (my son and one other) are American born - the rest were born in other countries, but raised here.

Where are you living?

[rmt]

Where are you living?

This school is in Hialeah (Miami), FL - mostly low-income, Hispanics (not Cuban). Most of the kids are atheists - I was surprised thinking that they would be Catholics (since they are from South America).

[SnakeBoy]

I guess. we have only been saying the pledge for 70 years or so. Getting some distance on the Cold War makes me see just what a paranoid time it was for the US where things like the pledge litany seem less tradition and more indoctrination.

lol we got indoctrinated into believing in freedom and justice for all

[ChumpDumper]

lol we got indoctrinated into believing in freedom and justice for allWe got indoctrinated into thinking something was wrong with a person if they chose not to participate in the ritual.

[pgardn]

They're probably too fucking fat to stand for 30 seconds tbh

I got a visual of this and had a good laugh.

[SnakeBoy]

We got indoctrinated into thinking something was wrong with a person if they chose not to participate in the ritual.

What did you think was wrong with someone who didn't participate in the ritual? Did you do or say something bad to the kid who didn't participate?

[ChumpDumper]

What did you think was wrong with someone who didn't participate in the ritual?Unpatriotic, disrespectful, that kind of stuff.
Did you do or say something bad to the kid who didn't participate?Nope.

[SnakeBoy]

Unpatriotic, disrespectful, that kind of stuff. Nope.

Who taught you to think that as a kid? The teacher or your parents or somebody else?

[ChumpDumper]

Who taught you to think that as a kid? The teacher or your parents or somebody else?Don't remember specifically. Seemed to be the general opinion at the time.

[DarrinS]

I still remember doing the pledge AND the Lord's Prayer in elementary school in the mid 70's.


At some point, it's just memorization and doesn't really mean anything, tbh.

[Quetzal-X]

Fuck that shitty ritual.

[ElNono]

This school is in Hialeah (Miami), FL - mostly low-income, Hispanics (not Cuban). Most of the kids are atheists - I was surprised thinking that they would be Catholics (since they are from South America).

That's because for some reason 'Muricans expect South Americans to be just like Mexicans... it's a pretty common misconception

[pgardn]

Fuck that shitty ritual.

You will NOT be considered as a viable candidate for the next Pope if you must know...
And you wanted that giant upright hat in a bad way mister.

[Spurminator]

Making children pledge loyalty to a flag daily is pretty fucking creepy if you think about it.

[Wild Cobra]

Today my son told me that only 4 kids in his class even stand up when the pledge of allegiance is recited in the morning. There is no "under God" said over the intercom although the 4 kids who stand say, "under God." In this class, only 2 kids (my son and one other) are American born - the rest were born in other countries, but raised here. I posted a video of the girl leading a movement for free public college, cancellation of all student debt and $15 minimum wage for campus jobs, and I wonder what is becoming of our kids.

Is it that they feel so entitled to free breakfast, free lunch, - that now they want free tuition, no student debt? And not standing for the pledge of allegiance - is there no patriotism, no respect for the flag, no appreciation for those who have fought for the freedom that we enjoy? I'm just shaking my head at what is to become of the next generation.

One thing I am glad of is that the NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military.

First of all, the original pledge of allegiance had no "under God" in it.

The rest....

Blame the pansy liberals.

[Wild Cobra]

Making children pledge loyalty to a flag daily is pretty fucking creepy if you think about it.

It's not creepy. It instills at a minimum, questions as to how we became the nation we are today. Going away from such memory aides could be telling of how ur society is decaying.

[Spurminator]

It's not creepy. It instills at a minimum, questions as to how we became the nation we are today.

How's that?

[Spurminator]

It starts at home. If you instill a sense of pride, patriotism, and value "liberty and justice for all" at home, your kids will grow up with those values. If you don't, a mindless recital of those values at school isn't going to change it.

Maybe the problem is parents.

http://i.imgur.com/KGlHk4X.jpg

[hater]

It's not creepy. It instills at a minimum, questions as to how we became the nation we are today. Going away from such memory aides could be telling of how ur society is decaying.

then they should start by telling the kids about the various bombings, invasions, coups, murders and extortions around the world tbqh

[ElNono]

They should all be proud patriots, except teh gayz who then want to join the military...

[hitmanyr2k]

I don't think the "liberty and justice for all" bullshit applied to minorities back then and still doesn't :lol

[Blake]

It's not creepy. It instills at a minimum, questions as to how we became the nation we are today. Going away from such memory aides could be telling of how ur society is decaying.

Bullshit. That's what history class is for.

[Blake]

This school is in Hialeah (Miami), FL - mostly low-income, Hispanics (not Cuban). Most of the kids are atheists - I was surprised thinking that they would be Catholics (since they are from South America).

Well then it's confusing why you are asking "what's becoming of our kids"

If they come from different countries and cultures, do you want public school to force the kids to adapt and conform to your idea of what a good, patriotic kid should be?

[Splits]

OP is spouting too much stupidity to respond to, but the outright lying needs to be called out:


Religion

While Roman Catholicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism) is overwhelmingly the majority religion of city residents, Hialeah also contains the largest Santero Community outside of Cuba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba).[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hialeah,_Florida#cite_note-17)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hialeah,_Florida#Religion

[rmt]

OP is spouting too much stupidity to respond to, but the outright lying needs to be called out:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hialeah,_Florida#Religion

The parents are Catholics. The kids don't believe in God. Guess (like the schools) - that passing of custom/religion isn't happening.

[Splits]

The parents are Catholics. The kids don't believe in God. Guess (like the schools) - that passing of custom/religion isn't happening.

So the kids are not city residents subject to the census? How do you know they don't believe in God, did you interview each one?

And nice lie about how they are not Cubans but your city has the largest Santero Community in the world outside of Cuba.

[ChumpDumper]

The parents are Catholics. The kids don't believe in God. Guess (like the schools) - that passing of custom/religion isn't happening.How do you know they don't believe in God? Was there a poll?

[Blake]

The parents are Catholics. The kids don't believe in God. Guess (like the schools) - that passing of custom/religion isn't happening.

And that's......bad?

[rmt]

How do you know they don't believe in God? Was there a poll?

Maybe, after being with them through 2 1/2 years of classes/lunch etc., my son can take a pretty good guess as to who believes and who doesn't (among the gifted kids he mostly has (academic) classes with - I don't mean PE or Keyboard). The ideology (and whether they believe in God) of some teachers/students come out in discussion. My son thinks it's funny how his AP Chemistry (not Biology) teacher injects her climate change stuff in through eg. giving extra credit for paper on climate change.

[Spurminator]

Maybe, after being with them through 2 1/2 years of classes/lunch etc., my son can take a pretty good guess as to who believes and who doesn't (among the gifted kids he mostly has (academic) classes with - I don't mean PE or Keyboard). The ideology (and whether they believe in God) of some teachers/students come out in discussion. My son thinks it's funny how his AP Chemistry (not Biology) teacher injects her climate change stuff in through eg. giving extra credit for paper on climate change.

Science teacher injecting science in science class? The horror!

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe, after being with them through 2 1/2 years of classes/lunch etc., my son can take a pretty good guess as to who believes and who doesn't (among the gifted kids he mostly has (academic) classes with - I don't mean PE or Keyboard).Not really the kind of discussions I had in classes back in the day.


The ideology (and whether they believe in God) of some teachers/students come out in discussion. My son thinks it's funny how his AP Chemistry (not Biology) teacher injects her climate change stuff in through eg. giving extra credit for paper on climate change.That isn't a religion though.

[rmt]

And that's......bad?

I dunno know. Maybe I think that for generations we've passed on our customs, beliefs, language, traditions, etc. to our children. But now, somehow, we should just let them float around, leave them to their own devices and let them do whatever they want to do?

[Splits]

:lmao you are everything that is wrong with America, just unbelievable ignorance on display with every post.

Climate change should not be taught in science class... Being religious and believing in climate change are incompatible... We're the greatest country in the history of the universe with the most :cry freedom and liberty :cry ...

Let me guess, you don't even have a passport.

[rmt]

Science teacher injecting science in science class? The horror!

Would you please explain to me what climate change has to do with AP Chemistry?

[rmt]

:lmao you are everything that is wrong with America, just unbelievable ignorance on display with every post.

Climate change should not be taught in science class... Being religious and believing in climate change are incompatible... We're the greatest country in the history of the universe with the most :cry freedom and liberty :cry ...

Let me guess, you don't even have a passport.

I would think that climate change definitely belongs in an Earth/Space Science class and a Biology class (ecology), but handing out extra credit for a research paper on climate change in AP Chemistry? I don't think so, but maybe someone would kindly explain.

I don't understand - what does my having a passport or not have to do with this?

[Splits]

Would you please explain to me what climate change has to do with AP Chemistry?

:lmao seriously?

Maybe you should write the American Chemical Society and tell them to stop research on climate change and remove their recommendations from their website: http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/promote/globalclimatechange.html

How un-American of the leading society of American chemists. Traitors!

[Splits]

Should they teach about gasses in chemistry? Carbon? Maybe they should stick to real science like debunking evolution, teaching about Jesus and creationism, etc.

[Spurminator]

Would you please explain to me what climate change has to do with AP Chemistry?

Carbon is an element. Oxygen is an element. These elements can combine to form Carbon Dioxide, which is a heat trapping gas. Carbon Dioxide emissions are often sited as contributing to global warming or climate change.

[rmt]

:lmao seriously?

Maybe you should write the American Chemical Society and tell them to stop research on climate change and remove their recommendations from their website: http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/policy/publicpolicies/promote/globalclimatechange.html

How un-American of the leading society of American chemists. Traitors!

Thank you. More to add to my reading list. Sigh. Good day yesterday - Google interview/Federer beats Djokovic. Bad day today - Citrix lays off 1000 in Fort Lauderdale - more competition.

[Blake]

I dunno know. Maybe I think that for generations we've passed on our customs, beliefs, language, traditions, etc. to our children. But now, somehow, we should just let them float around, leave them to their own devices and let them do whatever they want to do?

well I don't know any good parent that thinks letting kids do whatever they want to do is a good thing.

But as long as the kids aren't being mistreated or harmed, it's really not your concern about what parents want to teach their kids about religion. And it's certainly not the public schools concern either.

rofl tho at the slippery slope from atheistic kids to being unguided floaters

[I. Hustle]

Who cares if those kids don't believe or stand for the pledge? Why should they have to just because you believe in it? Do my kids? Yes. They do because they see daddy do it at games and stuff. I don't force them to do it but they see my example.

The problem with kids today is the stupid parents. Stupid parents fighting everything. They fight because Jimmy feels like he should be Sally and they want him in the girls' lockerroom even though those girls will be exposed to something that they shouldn't have to be exposed to. Fighting because little Johnny doesn't stand for the pledge so he must be an atheist. Fighting because all the kids do/don't get a trophy in sports.

How about you just raise your kids to be good kids and respect other people? If everyone started doing that instead of worrying about other people's beliefs then this country/world would be better.

It's not going to happen though so who cares.

[Blake]

Who cares if those kids don't believe or stand for the pledge? Why should they have to just because you believe in it? Do my kids? Yes. They do because they see daddy do it at games and stuff. I don't force them to do it but they see my example.

The problem with kids today is the stupid parents.

You were doing fine up to this point ^

Then you went here:


They fight because Jimmy feels like he should be Sally and they want him in the girls' lockerroom even though those girls will be exposed to something that they shouldn't have to be exposed to.

Lol smh

[Blake]

How about you just raise your kids to be good kids and respect other people?

Except for Jimmysally. You don't have to respect himher.

[rmt]

Nowhere in this thread do I say that I think religion is good or bad. I said that I was surprised that most of the kids in his classes were atheists (when their parents were probably Catholics).

Someone in the ISIS in Afghanistan thread said I should have posted that video under this thread and now that I think of it, maybe I should have. They are teaching/indoctrinating their kids into their beliefs/religion and it seems that we are not. Maybe that's why some of our kids are attracted to/join them to get that sense of belonging that they aren't getting here in America. The lack of passing on customs, religion, traditions - it's no wonder some of them are adrift.

In the future, their people will strongly share their religion/beliefs/goal of killing the infidels while the US will be a nation of people who don't have anything in common - certainly not love of country. What does anyone see in this scenario? We'll be sitting ducks.

[DisAsTerBot]

wtf? so we should adopt the ISIS strategy for our school aged children?

not sure if serious...

[Spurminator]

Nowhere in this thread do I say that I think religion is good or bad. I said that I was surprised that most of the kids in his classes were atheists (when their parents were probably Catholics).

Someone in the ISIS in Afghanistan thread said I should have posted that video under this thread and now that I think of it, maybe I should have. They are teaching/indoctrinating their kids into their beliefs/religion and it seems that we are not. Maybe that's why some of our kids are attracted to/join them to get that sense of belonging that they aren't getting here in America. The lack of passing on customs, religion, traditions - it's no wonder some of them are adrift.

In the future, their people will strongly share their religion/beliefs/goal of killing the infidels while the US will be a nation of people who don't have anything in common - certainly not love of country. What does anyone see in this scenario? We'll be sitting ducks.

:lol

[Blake]

Nowhere in this thread do I say that I think religion is good or bad. I said that I was surprised that most of the kids in his classes were atheists (when their parents were probably Catholics).

Well you asked "what's becoming of our kids" and then proceeded to note the atheists in the classrooms.

[ElNono]

wtf? so we should adopt the ISIS strategy for our school aged children?

not sure if serious...

the conclusion is that the road to sustain freedom and liberty is being more like ISIS

[rmt]

Who cares if those kids don't believe or stand for the pledge? Why should they have to just because you believe in it? Do my kids? Yes. They do because they see daddy do it at games and stuff. I don't force them to do it but they see my example.

The problem with kids today is the stupid parents. Stupid parents fighting everything. They fight because Jimmy feels like he should be Sally and they want him in the girls' lockerroom even though those girls will be exposed to something that they shouldn't have to be exposed to. Fighting because little Johnny doesn't stand for the pledge so he must be an atheist. Fighting because all the kids do/don't get a trophy in sports.

How about you just raise your kids to be good kids and respect other people? If everyone started doing that instead of worrying about other people's beliefs then this country/world would be better.

It's not going to happen though so who cares.

A couple weeks back a teacher got fired. Here was the scenario: Johnny is 6 years old. He identifies as a transgender so over a weekend, his parents cut his hair short and dresses him in girls' clothes and sends her to school requesting that she now be called Sally. The teacher is notified and she explains to the class that they must now refer to Johnny as Sally. It's now November so the kids have been calling him Johnny since Aug/Sept. The teacher has been put in an impossible situation. She can't control the teasing/comments from the other kids. The parents of the transgender complains, and the teacher is fired. How could she make 6 years old understand - they have no filter on their mouths - they just say what they think.

The parents should have done this over the summer and transferred him to another school where Johnny was not known.

[Blake]

A couple weeks back a teacher got fired. Here was the scenario: Johnny is 6 years old. He identifies as a transgender so over a weekend, his parents cut his hair short and dresses him in girls' clothes and sends her to school requesting that she now be called Sally. The teacher is notified and she explains to the class that they must now refer to Johnny as Sally. It's now November so the kids have been calling him Johnny since Aug/Sept. The teacher has been put in an impossible situation. She can't control the teasing/comments from the other kids. The parents of the transgender complains, and the teacher is fired. How could she make 6 years old understand - they have no filter on their mouths - they just say what they think.

The parents should have done this over the summer and transferred him to another school where Johnny was not known.

Link?

[Splits]

Link?

:lol yeah right.

It happens so often it doesn't make the news anymore

[I. Hustle]

Except for Jimmysally. You don't have to respect himher.

My point wasn't to disrespect his/her. The point was the lack of respect for those girls in the locker room.

As someone who has a daughter, I would think you could respect that point of view. Not that the boy/girl would try anything but because those girls have a right not to be exposed to male genatalia if they choose not to.

I don't want to get it into it. To me it's the same as forcing any other point of view on others.

[I. Hustle]

A couple weeks back a teacher got fired. Here was the scenario: Johnny is 6 years old. He identifies as a transgender so over a weekend, his parents cut his hair short and dresses him in girls' clothes and sends her to school requesting that she now be called Sally. The teacher is notified and she explains to the class that they must now refer to Johnny as Sally. It's now November so the kids have been calling him Johnny since Aug/Sept. The teacher has been put in an impossible situation. She can't control the teasing/comments from the other kids. The parents of the transgender complains, and the teacher is fired. How could she make 6 years old understand - they have no filter on their mouths - they just say what they think.

The parents should have done this over the summer and transferred him to another school where Johnny was not known.


Again, that is the parents fault and not the kid's.

[Blake]

My point wasn't to disrespect his/her. The point was the lack of respect for those girls in the locker room.

As someone who has a daughter, I would think you could respect that point of view. Not that the boy/girl would try anything but because those girls have a right not to be exposed to male genatalia if they choose not to.

I don't want to get it into it. To me it's the same as forcing any other point of view on others.

but you're ok with girls being exposed to other naked girls and dudes being exposed to other dudes. What's the worst thing you think will happen if girls catch a glimpse of Sally's dick?

Tbh, I think it's long overdue to completely overhaul the whole shower locker room system and give every kid a fair amount of privacy.

[rmt]

Link?

I saw it on TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiw2UkFAHd0

[Blake]

A couple weeks back a teacher got fired. Here was the scenario: Johnny is 6 years old. He identifies as a transgender so over a weekend, his parents cut his hair short and dresses him in girls' clothes and sends her to school requesting that she now be called Sally. The teacher is notified and she explains to the class that they must now refer to Johnny as Sally. It's now November so the kids have been calling him Johnny since Aug/Sept. The teacher has been put in an impossible situation. She can't control the teasing/comments from the other kids. The parents of the transgender complains, and the teacher is fired. How could she make 6 years old understand - they have no filter on their mouths - they just say what they think.

The parents should have done this over the summer and transferred him to another school where Johnny was not known.

did you actually watch the YouTube link you gave?

It refers to this story:


The private owners of Children’s Lighthouse daycare in Katy, Texas have found themselves in the public eye after firing two employees who voiced concern that the school was allowing a 6-year-old transgender student to express their gender identity, reports*Fox 26.......

http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2015/11/08/six-year-old-transgender-child-sparks-controversy-texas-daycare

so employees didn't like it and they were let go. That's about it.

but nice attempt of making up your own facts :tu. Fun read.

[rmt]

did you actually watch the YouTube link you gave?

It refers to this story:



so employees didn't like it and they were let go. That's about it.

but nice attempt of making up your own facts :tu. Fun read.

I only saw the video on TV - pardon me if I don't have perfect, total recall of something that was aired at least 10 days ago.

[I. Hustle]

but you're ok with girls being exposed to other naked girls and dudes being exposed to other dudes. What's the worst thing you think will happen if girls catch a glimpse of Sally's dick?

Tbh, I think it's long overdue to completely overhaul the whole shower locker room system and give every kid a fair amount of privacy.

I know you are going to get into the lesbian and gay schtick but I will agree with you on the second part. I am all for added privacy for the kids.

[I. Hustle]

did you actually watch the YouTube link you gave?

It refers to this story:



so employees didn't like it and they were let go. That's about it.

but nice attempt of making up your own facts :tu. Fun read.


As dumb as I think it is for a SIX year old to be transitioning, I still think that the employers have a right to do what they want with their business to an extent. That teacher/s didn't get fired for their beliefs. They got fired for not following what the employer expected of them.

[boutons_deux]

They got fired for not following what the employer expected of them.

the employer screwed up, always totally unaccountable, so the employees get fired.

[DisAsTerBot]

is this just canthinkofanything's new alt?

...it has to be

[Blizzardwizard]

Today my son told me that only 4 kids in his class even stand up when the pledge of allegiance is recited in the morning. There is no "under God" said over the intercom although the 4 kids who stand say, "under God." In this class, only 2 kids (my son and one other) are American born - the rest were born in other countries, but raised here. I posted a video of the girl leading a movement for free public college, cancellation of all student debt and $15 minimum wage for campus jobs, and I wonder what is becoming of our kids.

Is it that they feel so entitled to free breakfast, free lunch, - that now they want free tuition, no student debt? And not standing for the pledge of allegiance - is there no patriotism, no respect for the flag, no appreciation for those who have fought for the freedom that we enjoy? I'm just shaking my head at what is to become of the next generation.

One thing I am glad of is that the NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military.

.....DEY TOOK ER JERBS!!

[SpursforSix]

is this just canthinkofanything's new alt?

...it has to be

no

[Blizzardwizard]

Making children pledge loyalty to a flag daily is pretty fucking creepy if you think about it.

Totalitarian, almost. "But but we love freedom :cry"

[Blake]

I only saw the video on TV - pardon me if I don't have perfect, total recall of something that was aired at least 10 days ago.

You weren't even close to getting the facts straight and you posted a YouTube that you didn't even watch.

Pardon denied.

[Th'Pusher]

You weren't even close to getting the facts straight and you posted a YouTube that you didn't even watch.

Pardon denied.
Cut her some slack. Like most conservatives that post here, she does not deal in fact, logic and reason. Everything is an emotional response generally rooted in fear.

[Splits]

Cut her some slack. Like most conservatives that post here, she does not deal in fact, logic and reason. Everything is an emotional response generally rooted in fear.

:lol truth

Well, except the "that post here" part. You can delete that.

[rmt]

You weren't even close to getting the facts straight and you posted a YouTube that you didn't even watch.

Pardon denied.

If you watch the video without the article quoted, you will see that what I posted follows the video (not exactly since at least 10 days passed). Unfortunately, I don't go searching the internet for (checking) articles while watching TV. I shall (NOT :-) endeavor to double and triple check everything before I post so I don't step on any toes.

[Winehole23]

Making children pledge loyalty to a flag daily is pretty fucking creepy if you think about it.loyalty oaths for free republican citizens? one of these things doesn't belong.

[Blake]

If you watch the video without the article quoted, you will see that what I posted follows the video (not exactly since at least 10 days passed).

Except for this part:



The teacher is notified and she explains to the class that they must now refer to Johnny as Sally. It's now November so the kids have been calling him Johnny since Aug/Sept. The teacher has been put in an impossible situation. She can't control the teasing/comments from the other kids. The parents of the transgender complains, and the teacher is fired.

Nowhere in the video did she say she attempted to have the kids call Sally "Johnny".
Nowhere in the video does it show the transgender kid's parents complaining resulting in her termination. The school accommodated the transgender kid apparently from day 1.



Unfortunately, I don't go searching the internet for (checking) articles while watching TV. I shall (NOT :-) endeavor to double and triple check everything before I post so I don't step on any toes.

Well you should double check the story before posting it as fact if you want a decent discussion here.

[mrsmaalox]

My kids are doing great :)

[I. Hustle]

My kids are doing great :)

Mine are too.

Straight A's. I take them to Morgan's wonderland to play around kids that may be different so that they will treat them like any other kid and not stare. So far their teachers tell me how they help other kids that are having difficulty with work.

Not that they don't have their hiccups but, in general, they are good kids that respect others.

[rmt]

Transgender Appreciation Day today at ds' school.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe, after being with them through 2 1/2 years of classes/lunch etc., my son can take a pretty good guess as to who believes and who doesn't (among the gifted kids he mostly has (academic) classes with - I don't mean PE or Keyboard). The ideology (and whether they believe in God) of some teachers/students come out in discussion. My son thinks it's funny how his AP Chemistry (not Biology) teacher injects her climate change stuff in through eg. giving extra credit for paper on climate change.

The moral silent majority of institutionalized condescension went to the wayside with the interwebs. Welcome to now.

Is anyone actually buying the son bit?

[Othyus Lalanne]

Nowhere in this thread do I say that I think religion is good or bad. I said that I was surprised that most of the kids in his classes were atheists (when their parents were probably Catholics).

Someone in the ISIS in Afghanistan thread said I should have posted that video under this thread and now that I think of it, maybe I should have. They are teaching/indoctrinating their kids into their beliefs/religion and it seems that we are not. Maybe that's why some of our kids are attracted to/join them to get that sense of belonging that they aren't getting here in America. The lack of passing on customs, religion, traditions - it's no wonder some of them are adrift.

In the future, their people will strongly share their religion/beliefs/goal of killing the infidels while the US will be a nation of people who don't have anything in common - certainly not love of country. What does anyone see in this scenario? We'll be sitting ducks.

They belong to a country with freedom of fucking speech. Why would they join fucking ISIS?

[rmt]

They belong to a country with freedom of fucking speech. Why would they join fucking ISIS?

Weren't the Boston Marathon bombers raised here in the US? And even though they didn't officially belong to ISIS - they were "motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs." Are you saying that some US kids aren't joining ISIS?

[Othyus Lalanne]

Weren't the Boston Marathon bombers raised here in the US? And even though they didn't officially belong to ISIS - they were "motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs." Are you saying that some US kids aren't joining ISIS?
Terrorism is an anomaly. Some people will d crazy shit no mater what.

[z0sa]

Would you please explain to me what climate change has to do with AP Chemistry?

Holy shit :lol

[SnakeBoy]

but you're ok with girls being exposed to other naked girls and dudes being exposed to other dudes. What's the worst thing you think will happen if girls catch a glimpse of Sally's dick?

Tbh, I think it's long overdue to completely overhaul the whole shower locker room system and give every kid a fair amount of privacy.

Why not get rid of male/female showers and just have everyone shower together. You've made the case that it doesn't matter if kids see each other naked.

[Blake]

Why not get rid of male/female showers and just have everyone shower together. You've made the case that it doesn't matter if kids see each other naked.

I didn't make any such case. I asked a question based on his concerns.

I think much more privacy is needed in locker rooms. I made that as clear as possible.

[rmt]

Why not get rid of male/female showers and just have everyone shower together. You've made the case that it doesn't matter if kids see each other naked.

Did I mention that a university tried this, and the guys made videos of the girls showering? That ended that experiment quickly.

[mrsmaalox]

If you watch the video without the article quoted, you will see that what I posted follows the video (not exactly since at least 10 days passed). Unfortunately, I don't go searching the internet for (checking) articles while watching TV. I shall (NOT :-) endeavor to double and triple check everything before I post so I don't step on any toes.

Then how about just doing it so you are more informed than you appear so far in this thread?

[mrsmaalox]

Did I mention that a university tried this, and the guys made videos of the girls showering? That ended that experiment quickly.

Something else you saw on tv a long time ago?

[mrsmaalox]

The moral silent majority of institutionalized condescension went to the wayside with the interwebs. Welcome to now.

Is anyone actually buying the son bit?

:lol

[rmt]

Something else you saw on tv a long time ago?

Yes. You are welcome to believe, verify or ignore.

[rmt]

Is anyone actually buying the son bit?

Amazing how people doubt when the truth is put in front of them - like I could make this up - you give my imagination more credit that it deserves. I guess I'm not the typical poster here so it's hard to believe that there are others SO different from yourselves. But that's what I'm here for - to hear different points of view.

I could spend all my time with homeschooling friends and talk kids, husbands, school work or go to my trading, rental house, tennis board, but since the election is coming up and it's so important that a repub gets the WH and changes the direction this country is going in, I'm here to hear the other side. Anyways, off to watch Federer/Wawrinka and Djokovic/Nadal.

[Spurminator]

Why do schools still have showers where anyone sees anyone naked? How expensive are walls?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Amazing how people doubt when the truth is put in front of them - like I could make this up - you give my imagination more credit that it deserves. I guess I'm not the typical poster here so it's hard to believe that there are others SO different from yourselves. But that's what I'm here for - to hear different points of view.

I could spend all my time with homeschooling friends and talk kids, husbands, school work or go to my trading, rental house, tennis board, but since the election is coming up and it's so important that a repub gets the WH and changes the direction this country is going in, I'm here to hear the other side. Anyways, off to watch Federer/Wawrinka and Djokovic/Nadal.

You are going to have to do better than an evangelical tone on a new account to get me to buy in, chachi.

[Othyus Lalanne]

Amazing how people doubt when the truth is put in front of them - like I could make this up - you give my imagination more credit that it deserves. I guess I'm not the typical poster here so it's hard to believe that there are others SO different from yourselves. But that's what I'm here for - to hear different points of view.

I could spend all my time with homeschooling friends and talk kids, husbands, school work or go to my trading, rental house, tennis board, but since the election is coming up and it's so important that a repub gets the WH and changes the direction this country is going in, I'm here to hear the other side. Anyways, off to watch Federer/Wawrinka and Djokovic/Nadal.
It's not my tribe throwing tantrums because others have different opinions.

[rmt]

You are going to have to do better than an evangelical tone on a new account to get me to buy in, chachi.

1276 posts is a new account?

[rmt]

It's not my tribe throwing tantrums because others have different opinions.

Sorry, I used your original post because his was only a smiley.

[velik_m]

One thing I am glad of is that the NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military.

KaW7cOJUt1A

[boutons_deux]

rmt, you're so fucking naive

U.S. Movies and T.V. Shows Have U.S. Army Ratings

The U.S. Army and Air Force public relations offices have responded to a Freedom of Information Actrequest (http://www.spyculture.com/biggest-ever-foia-release-from-pentagon-entertainment-liaison-office) by releasing huge lists of movies and television shows that they have assessed and, at least in many cases, sought to influence.

Films show up in theaters without any notice that they have been influenced by the Army or Air Force or other branch of the military. And they carry ratings like G, PG, PG-13, or R. But the Army’s until-now-secret assessments of films also give them ratings. Every rating is positive and cryptic. They include:



Supports Building Resiliency,
Supports Restoring Balance,
Supports Maintaining our Combat Edge,
Supports Adapting Our Institutions,
Supports Modernizing Our Force.


Some films have multiple ratings. Truth in advertising, I think, would include these ratings on previews and advertisements for films. I’d like to know what the Army thinks of a film. It would make my decision to avoid it much easier. Go ahead and scroll through the Army document linked above, and chances are you’ll find out what a movie you’re currently interested in or recently saw is rated by the folks who brought you Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, ISIS, Al Qaeda, and top ratings worldwide for the U.S. as the nation considered the greatest threat to peace on earth (Gallup, December 2013).

Here’s a comment from Zaid Jilani at Salon (http://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/youre_watching_pentagon_propaganda_american_idol_i ce_road_truckers_and_the_truth_about_your_favorite _shows): “The sheer scale of the Army and the Air Force’s involvement in TV shows, particularly reality TV shows, is the most remarkable thing about these files.

‘American Idol,’

‘The X-Factor,’

‘Masterchef,’

‘Cupcake Wars,’

numerous Oprah Winfrey shows,

‘Ice Road Truckers,’

‘Battlefield Priests,’

‘America’s Got Talent,’

‘Hawaii Five-O,’

lots of BBC, History Channel and National Geographic documentaries,

‘War Dogs,’

‘Big Kitchens’ —

the list is almost endless. Alongside these shows are blockbuster movies like Godzilla, Transformers, Aloha and Superman: Man of Steel.”

That list is a sampling, nothing more. The full list goes on and on and on. It includes many films about wars or U.S. base construction. There’s an Extreme Makeover Home Edition at Fort Hood. There’s The Price Is Right’s Military Appreciation Episode. There’s a C-Span show called “The Price of Peace” — C-Span is of course often thought of as a neutral fly on the wall. There are, as mentioned above, lots of BBC documentaries — the BBC is of course often thought of as British.

....

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/u-s-movies-and-t-v-shows-have-u-s-army-ratings.html (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/u-s-movies-and-t-v-shows-have-u-s-army-ratings.html)

[rmt]

rmt, you're so fucking naive

U.S. Movies and T.V. Shows Have U.S. Army Ratings

The U.S. Army and Air Force public relations offices have responded to a Freedom of Information Actrequest (http://www.spyculture.com/biggest-ever-foia-release-from-pentagon-entertainment-liaison-office) by releasing huge lists of movies and television shows that they have assessed and, at least in many cases, sought to influence.

Films show up in theaters without any notice that they have been influenced by the Army or Air Force or other branch of the military. And they carry ratings like G, PG, PG-13, or R. But the Army’s until-now-secret assessments of films also give them ratings. Every rating is positive and cryptic. They include:



Supports Building Resiliency,
Supports Restoring Balance,
Supports Maintaining our Combat Edge,
Supports Adapting Our Institutions,
Supports Modernizing Our Force.


Some films have multiple ratings. Truth in advertising, I think, would include these ratings on previews and advertisements for films. I’d like to know what the Army thinks of a film. It would make my decision to avoid it much easier. Go ahead and scroll through the Army document linked above, and chances are you’ll find out what a movie you’re currently interested in or recently saw is rated by the folks who brought you Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, ISIS, Al Qaeda, and top ratings worldwide for the U.S. as the nation considered the greatest threat to peace on earth (Gallup, December 2013).

Here’s a comment from Zaid Jilani at Salon (http://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/youre_watching_pentagon_propaganda_american_idol_i ce_road_truckers_and_the_truth_about_your_favorite _shows): “The sheer scale of the Army and the Air Force’s involvement in TV shows, particularly reality TV shows, is the most remarkable thing about these files.

‘American Idol,’

‘The X-Factor,’

‘Masterchef,’

‘Cupcake Wars,’

numerous Oprah Winfrey shows,

‘Ice Road Truckers,’

‘Battlefield Priests,’

‘America’s Got Talent,’

‘Hawaii Five-O,’

lots of BBC, History Channel and National Geographic documentaries,

‘War Dogs,’

‘Big Kitchens’ —

the list is almost endless. Alongside these shows are blockbuster movies like Godzilla, Transformers, Aloha and Superman: Man of Steel.”

That list is a sampling, nothing more. The full list goes on and on and on. It includes many films about wars or U.S. base construction. There’s an Extreme Makeover Home Edition at Fort Hood. There’s The Price Is Right’s Military Appreciation Episode. There’s a C-Span show called “The Price of Peace” — C-Span is of course often thought of as a neutral fly on the wall. There are, as mentioned above, lots of BBC documentaries — the BBC is of course often thought of as British.

....

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/u-s-movies-and-t-v-shows-have-u-s-army-ratings.html (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/u-s-movies-and-t-v-shows-have-u-s-army-ratings.html)




Sorry, boutons, but this naive person is not getting the point of your post. If you mean that I'm being influenced by these shows, I admit that I haven't seen many of them. A little Oprah, OLD Hawaii Five-0, Transformers (I've got 2 boys and their friends - mostly I slept through them), and I'm a big Superman fan.

[illusioNtEk]

Another world war will awaken everyone..

[boutons_deux]

Sorry, boutons, but this naive person is not getting the point of your post. If you mean that I'm being influenced by these shows, I admit that I haven't seen many of them. A little Oprah, OLD Hawaii Five-0, Transformers (I've got 2 boys and their friends - mostly I slept through them), and I'm a big Superman fan.

your adoration of the military is a result part of the decades long military to insert its corrupt, overreaching, sinister fingers into every hole of American culture, to inflate the military's presence way beyond what it should be in a healthy society.

The military PAYS to get displays of uniformed militarism and flag-waving into every possible public event, "consult" on TV and movies (aka vet, warp), etc.

[rmt]

your adoration of the military is a result part of the decades long military to insert its corrupt, overreaching, sinister fingers into every hole of American culture, to inflate the military's presence way beyond what it should be in a healthy society.

The military PAYS to get displays of uniformed militarism and flag-waving into every possible public event, "consult" on TV and movies (aka vet, warp), etc.

Where in my posts do you get the idea that I adore the military?

[boutons_deux]

"NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military."

the US military hasn't done shit for "our freedoms" since 1945.

[rmt]

"NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military."

the US military hasn't done shit for "our freedoms" since 1945.




Respect for the military is hardly adoration. I appreciate the military and police, which try to keep me free and safe - I don't see them as enemies.

Oh, I see where velik_m quoted me - didn't even see it - his video is disabled for me. There I was thinking that you've got a fantastic memory remembering my quote. I wonder how this thread went from kids to the military.

[Quetzal-X]

"NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military."

the US military hasn't done shit for "our freedoms" since 1945.




That's Right!

[RandomGuy]

They leave out the "under God" over the intercom. It's the NOT standing I object to - they don't have to say it but at least, stand. I guess it bugs me that they don't believe the words of the pledge - even with all its problems, it's still the best place to live in the world - the place with the most freedom and liberty. This is what I worry about - when immigrants don't assimilate and become Americans. Our traditions and customs - what makes us American - disappear.

All immigrants assimilate. Takes about 3 generations. I didn't speak the German of my great-great(ect) grandfather until I learned it in high school/college, just as I know quite a few Hispanics that don't speak Spanish, who all happen to be 3rd+ generation.

[RandomGuy]

Today my son told me that only 4 kids in his class even stand up when the pledge of allegiance is recited in the morning. There is no "under God" said over the intercom although the 4 kids who stand say, "under God." In this class, only 2 kids (my son and one other) are American born - the rest were born in other countries, but raised here. I posted a video of the girl leading a movement for free public college, cancellation of all student debt and $15 minimum wage for campus jobs, and I wonder what is becoming of our kids.

Is it that they feel so entitled to free breakfast, free lunch, - that now they want free tuition, no student debt? And not standing for the pledge of allegiance - is there no patriotism, no respect for the flag, no appreciation for those who have fought for the freedom that we enjoy? I'm just shaking my head at what is to become of the next generation.

One thing I am glad of is that the NBA always gives due respect to the flag, our national anthem and the military.

Meh. People have been saying that since humans have gotten the ability to speak.

"I see these kids today with their flint-tipped arrows. In my day we used plain wooden sticks or rocks! I wonder how spoiled these kids will be to hunting more easily..."

Not overly concerned, it seems like a lot made out of nothing, part of the "outrage culture" that springs up as people age.

[rmt]

All immigrants assimilate. Takes about 3 generations. I didn't speak the German of my great-great(ect) grandfather until I learned it in high school/college, just as I know quite a few Hispanics that don't speak Spanish, who all happen to be 3rd+ generation.

Sharia law is spreading almost unopposed in the former pro-Hitler nations, where lingering guilt over the Jewish holocaust now protects Sharia, seen as the law of another religious minority. Sharia courts presided by Muslim "peace judges" now dot Germany, where even non-Muslim German judges in German courts cite Sharia law and quote from the Quran to uphold polygamy and husbands' right to beat wives when judging cases involving Muslims.

Muslim Street PrayerIn Austria, the government is convicting even non-Muslims of violating Sharia law. In 2011, Vienna High Court upheld the lower court conviction of Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff for making this factual statement about Muhammad:

"We all know that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Now, what do we call this behavior if not pedophilia."

In France, home to 13 million Muslims, the government no longer controls the banlieus (right, below is Venice, Italy), the densely-populated, predominantly Muslim ghettos that encircle most major French cities and where the French police seldom patrol. If that were to change, the Muslim population among France's prison inmates would rise even higher than the current 70%. All meat sold in Paris is now Halal, having been sacrificed to Allah the moon god.

In Denmark, Muslims are calling for areas with large Muslim populations like Copenhagen's Tingbjerg to become Sharia law zones patrolled by Muslim religious police modeled after Saudi Arabia's muttawa to apprehend and punish all Sharia law violators.

Such Muslim police already exists in Spain, where Sharia courts now threaten women for driving cars or working outside the home. Recently, a woman accused of adultery was sentenced to death by a Sharia court and escaped it by seeking refuge in a government police station.

In Holland, where "Muhammad" is now the most common name for boys born in its four largest cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht), death sentences against Sharia law-breakers actually have been carried out. High profile victims include Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh, both killed for criticizing the self-proclaimed "Religion of Peace".


And right here in the good ole USA:

<NationalReport>In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene. The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.

Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as “abhorrent”, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:

“It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation”.

Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from “praise be to Allah” and “long live Islam” to “RIP Dearborn” and “Only in Obama’s America would an American city consider Sharia Law”.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.

The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled “Sharia: The Threat to America“, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.
- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/#sthash.6cc27jBO.dpuf

[Blake]

what happens when you don't double check your facts is that people laugh at you for being a gullible moron.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp

Lol gullible moron.

[Winehole23]

Mr. Smarty Pants gets his information from books, magazines, newspapers, the internet, radio, and television. He also includes facts he has overheard at parties.

[DisAsTerBot]

lol

[rmt]

what happens when you don't double check your facts is that people laugh at you for being a gullible moron.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp

Lol gullible moron.

So how do you fact check the article above that? http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html I put in "sharia law in europe" Do you have to scroll through all those pages? or do you just put the link in?

[rmt]

If you're referring to me, it's "Ms. Smarty Pants" and she.

[Spurminator]

And right here in the good ole USA:

<NationalReport>In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene. The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.

Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as “abhorrent”, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:

“It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation”.

Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from “praise be to Allah” and “long live Islam” to “RIP Dearborn” and “Only in Obama’s America would an American city consider Sharia Law”.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.

The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled “Sharia: The Threat to America“, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.
- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/#sthash.6cc27jBO.dpuf

http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22b.jpg

[Blake]

So how do you fact check the article above that? http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html I put in "sharia law in europe" Do you have to scroll through all those pages? or do you just put the link in?

I didn't really read any of your post above that. Only the Dearborn, MI thing raised my eyebrow. 3 second google search confirmed the silliness.

I'm going to google the very first line now: " Sharia law is spreading almost unopposed in the former pro-Hitler nations"

I'm forecasting about a 70% chance of more lulz.

[lefty]

They're probably too fucking fat to stand for 30 seconds tbh

[Spurminator]

So how do you fact check the article above that? http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html I put in "sharia law in europe" Do you have to scroll through all those pages? or do you just put the link in?

You fact check that article by looking at the URL and noticing that it's BillionBibles.org.

[Blake]

Sharia law is spreading almost unopposed in the former pro-Hitler nations, where lingering guilt over the Jewish holocaust now protects Sharia, seen as the law of another religious minority. Sharia courts presided by Muslim "peace judges" now dot Germany, where even non-Muslim German judges in German courts cite Sharia law and quote from the Quran to uphold polygamy and husbands' right to beat wives when judging cases involving Muslims.

Judge Christa Datz-Winter was subsequently removed from the case.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/03/22/world/europe/22cnd-germany.html?pagewanted=all&referer=&_r=0

lol billionbibles.org

[Iakchos Kadmos]

Same problem happening in Greece. It is like all children are wanting to do is play spin the goat and drink Ouzo. They spend their monies on the newest V-Span shoes. Who has 2 euros to spend on shoes?! That can to buy food for a month!

They are lack the respect.

[rmt]

You fact check that article by looking at the URL and noticing that it's BillionBibles.org.

Are you saying that nothing in that article is true? And you can tell that by looking at the URL and because it has "bibles" in it, everything in the article can be dismissed?

[Quetzal-X]

Holy motherfuck you repugs are some dumb motherfuckers. Just like Donny likes'em too.

[pgardn]

Same problem happening in Greece. It is like all children are wanting to do is play spin the goat and drink Ouzo. They spend their monies on the newest V-Span shoes. Who has 2 euros to spend on shoes?! That can to buy food for a month!

They are lack the respect.

I think they should be allowed to play spin the goat.

What is spin the goat?

[Spurminator]

Are you saying that nothing in that article is true? And you can tell that by looking at the URL and because it has "bibles" in it, everything in the article can be dismissed?

I would never even bother to fact check an article on a site called BillionBibles.org.

[Blake]

Are you saying that nothing in that article is true? And you can tell that by looking at the URL and because it has "bibles" in it, everything in the article can be dismissed?

The site is proclaiming their bias from the get-go. Next time try to find sites that at least attempt to say they're objective.

[rmt]

I would never even bother to fact check an article on a site called BillionBibles.org.

That's sounds as blind as me picking up an article from NationalReport.net.

[Spurminator]

That's sounds as blind as me picking up an article from NationalReport.net.

Not at all, it's choosing which resources to spend time on. The Internet is huge.

[rmt]

The site is proclaiming their bias from the get-go. Next time try to find sites that at least attempt to say they're objective.

Who are being biased? Ignoring the content for the name of the source. Sounds like nobody wants to know the TRUTH - isn't that what we're after - not just dismissing because of the name of the source?

[Quetzal-X]

On your shitty bible link it says Mohammad killed k's but Jesus God killed zero. Why do you link such shitty sites?

[Blake]

Who are being biased?

Who do you think runs "billionbibles.org"? I'm not certain, but I bet I can guess correctly.



Sounds like nobody wants to know the TRUTH - isn't that what we're after

Says the lazy fact checker.

Keep the lulz coming. :tu

[Quetzal-X]

lol Truth
lol GFY
lol repugs
lol Jesus

[RandomGuy]

Sharia law is spreading almost unopposed in the former pro-Hitler nations, where lingering guilt over the Jewish holocaust now protects Sharia, seen as the law of another religious minority. Sharia courts presided by Muslim "peace judges" now dot Germany, where even non-Muslim German judges in German courts cite Sharia law and quote from the Quran to uphold polygamy and husbands' right to beat wives when judging cases involving Muslims.

Muslim Street PrayerIn Austria, the government is convicting even non-Muslims of violating Sharia law. In 2011, Vienna High Court upheld the lower court conviction of Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff for making this factual statement about Muhammad:

"We all know that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Now, what do we call this behavior if not pedophilia."

In France, home to 13 million Muslims, the government no longer controls the banlieus (right, below is Venice, Italy), the densely-populated, predominantly Muslim ghettos that encircle most major French cities and where the French police seldom patrol. If that were to change, the Muslim population among France's prison inmates would rise even higher than the current 70%. All meat sold in Paris is now Halal, having been sacrificed to Allah the moon god.

In Denmark, Muslims are calling for areas with large Muslim populations like Copenhagen's Tingbjerg to become Sharia law zones patrolled by Muslim religious police modeled after Saudi Arabia's muttawa to apprehend and punish all Sharia law violators.

Such Muslim police already exists in Spain, where Sharia courts now threaten women for driving cars or working outside the home. Recently, a woman accused of adultery was sentenced to death by a Sharia court and escaped it by seeking refuge in a government police station.

In Holland, where "Muhammad" is now the most common name for boys born in its four largest cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht), death sentences against Sharia law-breakers actually have been carried out. High profile victims include Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh, both killed for criticizing the self-proclaimed "Religion of Peace".


And right here in the good ole USA:

<NationalReport>In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene. The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.

Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as “abhorrent”, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:

“It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation”.

Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from “praise be to Allah” and “long live Islam” to “RIP Dearborn” and “Only in Obama’s America would an American city consider Sharia Law”.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.

The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled “Sharia: The Threat to America“, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.
- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/#sthash.6cc27jBO.dpuf

meh. More manufactured outrage and xenophobia.

See more at snopes.com, the go-to website for people who think that fact-checking the stupid shit they read on the internet might be somewhat important to constructing a more accurate internal model of the external world.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp


"City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law" — Is there any validity to this story?
Origins: On 28 October 2013, the National Report published an article positing Dearborn, Michigan (a city with a historically large Muslim population), had become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law:

http://www.snopes.com/images/red.gifFALSE


The National Report's disclaimer page notes:

National Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within National Report are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental.

Do you always base your understanding of the world based on satire? or did you just not bother fact checking this one time?

[rmt]

Who do you think runs "billionbibles.org"? I'm not certain, but I bet I can guess correctly.



Says the lazy fact checker.

Keep the lulz coming. :tu

So, do you dismiss the (presidential) FOX poll I linked to in the other thread BECAUSE it's FOX? If I did that with left-wing media sources, there'd hardly be any news to read.

[RandomGuy]

Same problem happening in Greece. It is like all children are wanting to do is play spin the goat and drink Ouzo. They spend their monies on the newest V-Span shoes. Who has 2 euros to spend on shoes?! That can to buy food for a month!

They are lack the respect.

:tu

[RandomGuy]

Who are being biased? Ignoring the content for the name of the source. Sounds like nobody wants to know the TRUTH - isn't that what we're after - not just dismissing because of the name of the source?

One should never simply dismiss something as false, merely because the source is biased. But one should definitely subject biased sources to a wee bit more scrutiny when it comes to assertions.

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Unless, of course it is presented as "fake news" satire. In that case you can dismiss it. :p:

[RandomGuy]

In Austria, the government is convicting even non-Muslims of violating Sharia law. In 2011, Vienna High Court upheld the lower court conviction of Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff for making this factual statement about Muhammad:

"We all know that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and consummated the marriage when she was 9. Now, what do we call this behavior if not pedophilia."


But Sabaditsch-Wolff was convicted of the second charge against her, namely "denigration of religious beliefs of a legally recognized religion," according to Section 188 of the Austrian Criminal Code.

The judge ruled that Sabaditsch-Wolff committed a crime by stating in her seminars about Islam that the Islamic prophet Mohammed was a pedophile (Sabaditsch-Wolff's actual words were "Mohammed had a thing for little girls.")

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2702/sabaditsch-wolff-appeal

Easy fail. The law was not "sharia" but a long-standing one that was meant to curb antisemitism.

http://static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/comments/boom-5420e6d8e9785.jpg

[RandomGuy]

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[Blake]

So, do you dismiss the (presidential) FOX poll I linked to in the other thread BECAUSE it's FOX? If I did that with left-wing media sources, there'd hardly be any news to read.

I take most all polls with a grain of salt because they're polls.

Do you understand the difference between a poll and a news story?

[rmt]

I take most all polls with a grain of salt because they're polls.

Do you understand the difference between a poll and a news story?

Yes, I understand the difference. I was hopping between threads and one of the posts on the other thread was on Bernie leading Trump.

I think Gallup is not doing any presidential polls because they messed up the last one. But some so called new stories are bs too like the Politico one on Carson which the left wing media take and run with and when Politico back-tracks, the other outlets don't correct the mis-information. It's getting to the point that whenever I hear some sensational story about Trump or Carson that seems should doom them for good, it turns out to be a mis-quote, non-quote, twisted, or out of context. And it seems to only pump up Trump's numbers in the polls (yes, I know, only polls :-)

[boutons_deux]

Yes, I understand the difference. I was hopping between threads and one of the posts on the other thread was on Bernie leading Trump.

I think Gallup is not doing any presidential polls because they messed up the last one.

All pollsters are complaining about the lack of response from the polled, used to be 35%, now down to 10%, so polling results very unreliable.

[Iakchos Kadmos]

I think they should be allowed to play spin the goat.

What is spin the goat?

Great you should ask my friend. Spin the goat is when you take goat and place on it is side. You spin and if it stares at you when it is come to stop you have the intercourse with it.

[SpursforSix]

Great you should ask my friend. Spin the goat is when you take goat and place on it is side. You spin and if it stares at you when it is come to stop you have the intercourse with it.

wrong

[pgardn]

Great you should ask my friend. Spin the goat is when you take goat and place on it is side. You spin and if it stares at you when it is come to stop you have the intercourse with it.

So let's not have them play this game.

But for practical purposes and for the enlightenment of the board in general:

Does one spin the goat on the ground or on, let's say, a slick dance floor? Just thinking friction brings the goat to a fairly quick halt. I would want a goat doing a spin similar to The Wheel Of Fortune (for dramas sake) but not vertical of course.

[pgardn]

wrong

Wrong as in the game is wrong?

Or you know more about goat spinning?

[SpursforSix]

Wrong as in the game is wrong?

Or you know more about goat spinning?

Two players spin the goat. Whoever gets the rear is the one that gets to duck thenhoat. The other person holds it's head down.

[pgardn]

Two players spin the goat. Whoever gets the rear is the one that gets to duck thenhoat. The other person holds it's head down.

You know too much.

So, is the goat spun on the bare ground or on a slippery surface? Do they really spin that well... like a roulette wheel?
And I guess it is possible that different regions of Greece perform disgusting acts with animals using slightly varying rules.

[SpursforSix]

You know too much.

So, is the goat spun on the bare ground or on a slippery surface? Do they really spin that well... like a roulette wheel?
And I guess it is possible that different regions of Greece perform disgusting acts with animals using slightly varying rules.

It's placed on a wooden support which sits on an axel made of a midget's femur.

[Iakchos Kadmos]

So let's not have them play this game.

But for practical purposes and for the enlightenment of the board in general:

Does one spin the goat on the ground or on, let's say, a slick dance floor? Just thinking friction brings the goat to a fairly quick halt. I would want a goat doing a spin similar to The Wheel Of Fortune (for dramas sake) but not vertical of course.

This question is great one. First we bring out large piece of linoleum from home. Then we rub goat in oil. The oil makes for easy insertion when time is come.

[Iakchos Kadmos]

It's placed on a wooden support which sits on an axel made of a midget's femur.

You play like dirty Kazakhi.

[pgardn]

The cultural richness of this board never ceases to amaze me.

[pgardn]

It's placed on a wooden support which sits on an axel made of a midget's femur.

I miss your Avante parodies.

And a midget's femur is perfect. Might I suggest The ball of the femur placed in the socket of the midget pelvis and lubricated. So for future reference I would also collect the midget pelvis. Happy hunting to all those idle youngsters who turn to beastie relations for amusement.

[SpursforSix]

You play like dirty Kazakhi.

I will find you and beat you to death with your severed arms.

[rmt]

She got the Google internship! Thanks if anyone prayed.

[RandomGuy]

It's not creepy. It instills at a minimum, questions as to how we became the nation we are today. Going away from such memory aides could be telling of how ur society is decaying.

So you would rather us encourage unquestioning loyalty to the state?

Not sure what you are going for here.

[RandomGuy]

I would think that climate change definitely belongs in an Earth/Space Science class and a Biology class (ecology), but handing out extra credit for a research paper on climate change in AP Chemistry? I don't think so, but maybe someone would kindly explain.

I don't understand - what does my having a passport or not have to do with this?

Climate science draws on multiple fields, chemistry among them.

Associating the sometimes mundane and boring parts of the sciences to topical things is not only appropriate, but is generally encouraged.

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